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Russia's Return Bites the Neocons' Grand Energy Scheme in the Ass

By James Howard Kunstler, Kunstler.com. Posted August 19, 2008.


You have to ask what were they smoking over at the Pentagon and the CIA when they thought they could control Russia's close neighbor.

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The feeble American response to Russia's assertion of power in the Caucasus of Central Asia was appropriate, since our claims of influence in that part of the world are laughable. The US had taken advantage of temporary confusion in Russia, during the ten-year-long post-Soviet-collapse interval, and set up a client government in Georgia, complete with military advisors, sales of weapons, and even the promise of club membership in the western alliance known as NATO. These blandishments were all in the service of the Baku-to-Ceyhan oil pipeline, which was designed specifically to drain the oil region around the Caspian Basin with an outlet on the Mediterranean, avoiding unfriendly nations all along the way.

At the time this gambit was first set up, in the early 1990s, there was some notion (or wish, really) among the so-called western powers that the Caspian would provide an end-run around OPEC and the Arabs, as well as the Persians, and deliver all the oil that the US and Europe would ever need -- a foolish wish and a dumb gambit, as things have turned out.

For one thing, the latterly explorations of this very old oil region -- first opened to drilling in the 19th century -- proved somewhat disappointing. US officials had been touting it as like unto "another Saudi Arabia" but the oil actually produced from the new drilling areas of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and the other Stans turned out to be preponderantly heavy-and-sour crudes, in smaller quantities than previously dreamed-of, and harder to transport across the extremely challenging terrain to even get to the pipeline head in Baku.

Meanwhile, Russia got its house in order under the non-senile, non-alcoholic Vladimir Putin, and woke up along about 2007 to find itself the leading oil and natural gas producer in the world. Among the various consequences of this was Russia's reemergence as a new kind of world power -- an energy resource power, with the energy destiny of Europe pretty much in its hands. Also, meanwhile, the USA had set up other client states in the ring of former Soviet republics along Russia's southern underbelly, complete with US military bases, while fighting active engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, if this wasn't the dumbest, vainest move in modern geopolitical history!

It's one thing that US foreign policy wonks imagined that Russia would remain in a coma forever, but the idea that we could encircle Russia strategically with defensible bases in landlocked mountainous countries halfway around the world…? You have to ask what were they smoking over at the Pentagon and the CIA and the NSC?

So, this asinine policy has now come to grief. Not only does Russia stand to gain control over the Baku-to-Ceyhan pipeline, but we now have every indication that they will bring the states on its southern flank back into an active sphere of influence, and there is really not a damn thing that the US can pretend to do about it.

We could have spent the past ten years getting our own house in order -- waking up to the obsolescence of our suburban life-style, scaling back on the Happy Motoring, reconnecting our cities with world-class passenger rail, creating wealth by producing things of value (instead of resorting to financial racketeering), protecting our borders, and taking the necessary measures to defend and update our own industries. Instead, we pissed our time and resources away. Nations do make tragic errors of the collective will. The cluelessness of George Bush is nothing less than a perfect metaphor for the failure of a whole generation. The Boomers will be identified as the generation that wrecked America.

So, as the vacation season winds down, this country greets a new reality. We miscalculated in Western and Central Asia. Russia still "owns" that part of the world. Are we going to extend our current land wars there into the even more distant and landlocked Stan-nations? At some point, as we face financial and military exhaustion, we have to ask ourselves if we can even successfully evacuate our personnel from the far-flung bases in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.

This must be an equally sobering moment for Europe, and an additional reason for the recent plunge in the relative value of the Euro, for Europe is now at the mercy of Russia in terms of staying warm in the winter, running their kitchen stoves, and keeping the lights on. Russia also exerts substantial financial leverage over the US in all the dollars and securitized US debt paper it holds. In effect, Russia can shake the US banking system at will now by threatening to dump its dollar holdings.

The American banking system may not need a shove from Russia to fall on its face. It's effectively dead now, just lurching around zombie-like from one loan "window" to the next pretending to "borrow" capital -- while handing over shreds of its moldy clothing as "collateral" to the Federal Reserve. The entire US, beyond the banks, is becoming a land of the walking dead. Business is dying, home-ownership has become a death dance, whole regions are turning into wastelands of "for sale" signs, empty parking lots, vacant buildings, and dashed hopes. And all this beats a path directly to a failure of collective national imagination. We really don't know what's going on.

The fantasy that we can sustain our influence nine thousand miles away, when we can't even get our act together in Ohio is just a dark joke. One might state categorically that it would be a salubrious thing for America to knock off all its vaunted "dreaming" and just wake the fuck up.

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Bush (and McCain) wanted Russia to invade Georgia
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 19, 2008 2:14 AM   
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Recent news reports have confirmed my suspicions that the neoconservatives in Washington, with the approval of PNAC member John McCain, America's Number One Neocon, want to gin up a second Cold War to carry on their imperialistic agenda.

How else do you explain the White House apparently ignoring CIA intelligence about Russian tank and troop movements along the Georgian border before the invasion?

I believe Bush WANTED Russia to attack Georgia. That's why he was having such good time with Putin at the opening Olympic ceremonies. I wouldn't surprised if Putin had leaked the pending "surprise" attack to Dub-ya before hand.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran (for the benefit of new AlterNet visitors)
Seven reasons to vote against Unfit McCain

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» Follow the money Posted by: ScottP
» Russia gets rich off of Energy Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
Excellent Post ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 19, 2008 2:15 AM   
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Kuntlsler hits it right on the head.

And the media are still lying about Georgia's role in the fracas. Georgia began ethnic cleansing of the capital of South Ossetia after killing Russian peace keepers on the way there!

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» RE: xcellent Post ... Posted by: richholland
If we can't have it then neither can you
Posted by: Captainmagic on Aug 19, 2008 3:24 AM   
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How can we extract ourselves out of this one...why, we should have a war..not just any old war, but a juicy fat big one...don't worry about any realities we can just make one up...after all they will be ours and ours are the only one's that count. Just have a look at how well 9/11 played out for us...we can't lose...they really are as dumb as dogshit...we can't lose...we are on the high moral ground..we can't lose....they just gobble this crap up so readily...we can't lose....just say anything and they believe it..we can't lose....We won the war in Georgia....we can't lose...we can go on and on and on and finally on....you can't lose!!!!

Yes you can,... and you have. Here's the rub...You WILL, be better for it!

Captain OUT

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Get ready for another Sept 11 2001
Posted by: corey on Aug 19, 2008 4:30 AM   
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"Blow Back" is a bitch.

Too bad it is only the People who suffer for the Ruler's actions!!!

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» Get ready for WW3 Posted by: Last Chance
Madness in the White House
Posted by: Last Chance on Aug 19, 2008 4:32 AM   
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George Bush loves power so much he'll do anything to keep it, even if only long enough to provoke World War Three to achieve his precious Biblical Armageddon.

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What are they smoking?
Posted by: Charles Zorn on Aug 19, 2008 5:19 AM   
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It is indeed an astute question.

Like crack and meth, power is potent and serves up recklessness. Like any degree of megalomania, the euphoria is addictive and destructive to all those around the ravenous addicts.

When you get a mass of power euphoria driven idiots (PEDIs) focused on ill-informed goals requiring cognitive abillities like planning and forethought and throw in religious zealotry to boot, you get bad decisions that hurt people. The forebrain's executive functions are less accesable while the deeper, primative emotional reflexes are primed for idiocy and reckless action.

They are smoking the good stuff, wereby all other amphetamines are poised as derivatives. Rampant Power. Some Americans put a bunch of addicts in office and our future will reap the fallout of that unrestricted substance abuse.

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C Students Shouldn't be Allowed to Play Geo-Political Chess
Posted by: popeurbanxxiii on Aug 19, 2008 5:22 AM   
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I think Dumbya and the Neo-Cons have just about gotten themselves into a checkmate situation in the Middle East. Even our client-puppet al Maliki is telling us to get out of Iraq. Afghanistan's Taliban is resurgent and NATO wants out. The "'Stans" just fell into a dust heap. We are now left with Iran. If we lose Iran and the Straights of Hormuz, we have virtually no access to Middle East oil. Our Generals and Admirals have been telling the White House that war with Iran is an almost certain disaster. The Neo-Cons have the reverse Midas touch. Everything they touch turns to sh*t.

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Quite wrong - this was about protection of Russian nationals
Posted by: scott.gregory on Aug 19, 2008 5:32 AM   
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Something most Americans, particularly neocons, don't know or want to understand is that there are about 60-70 million Russians nationals living in the former Soviet republics, and are being systematically discriminated against to varying degrees. That's a number about equal to half the population of Russia proper. Russia simply could not let this ethnic cleansing of Russian nationals go, else that would have been a message to the other 60 million in other former Soviet republics. Russia had not interfered with Georgia or its alliance with the Bush neocons until the Georgian government moved on the Ossetian Russian nationals, and had not interfered with the oil pipeline. The fact that this now does give Russia some serious leverage on the oil flow is just and added plus for them. It wasn't the objective as prior behavior shows.

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» Quite right. Posted by: Last Chance
» Opposite direction? Posted by: suprmark
» RE: Opposite direction? Posted by: Benjaminsjw
» RE: Opposite direction? Posted by: suprmark
» RE: Opposite direction? Posted by: Benjaminsjw
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» RE: Opposite direction? Posted by: suprmark
Terrytom
Posted by: terryton on Aug 19, 2008 6:06 AM   
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If the US ever considered and began doing something straight-up w/o some kind of dominant military power major component we might have more success. What we see over and over again is a demonstration of criminal thinking. Encouraging people and nations to act in ways not good for so many people is evil on its face. Our press is so controlled that we don't even hear about these
stupid plans until the shit hits the fan. We will pay. We are fucked.

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Kunstler On Faulty Neocon Policy
Posted by: sunlakedude on Aug 19, 2008 6:09 AM   
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Kunstler is correct on all of this. But this is just the last of a long, long list of ill-conceived U.S. foreign policy initiatives that have cost our nation dearly. Just a few of the terrible foreign policy plans that the U.S. should never have instituted. 1. The Vietnam War which ended up costing tens of thousands of American soldiers and an untold number of Vietnamese civilians their lives. And for what? 2. The Shah Of Iran; setting him up in power against the wishes of the Iranian people. It created tremendous resentment against the U.S. in Iran which is still with us today. 3. The putting of Saddam Hussein in charge of Iraq, arming him to the teeth and instructing him to make chemical weapons for us. 4. Invading Iraq in order to execute the very man we put in charge of the country and his sons too. Also displaying their dead bodies on worldwide television. What class we have! 5. Plans to put missiles in Poland. Regardless of the nature of the missiles, this is a very bad idea and will result in countermeasures by Russia.
Too bad Kunstler can't seem to get it right concerning human sexual orientation. His recent interview with the University Bookman had him telling the interviewer that gays and lesbians are just "gender confused" and that they should "settle their issues in private". Sounds like something directly out of the mouth of the Reverend Hagee!

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The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline
Posted by: muktuk on Aug 19, 2008 6:20 AM   
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Great article by Kunstler!

The neocons try desperately to divert the world's attention using Cold War rhetoric- but this conflict in the Caucasus is over the BTC pipeline.

Whether or not the IDF launches an air strike against Iran depends on the security of this pipeline. With the BTC pipeline secured, the neocons, who will not let Iran develop a nuclear capacity, will risk a temporary closure of Persian Gulf oil by the ensuing conflict between the USA and Iran.

Ironically, with the Russians pursuing their own oil interests in the Caucasus, the neocons may not risk striking Iran.

We shall see.

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We are in the hands of adolescents
Posted by: wehaveseenthismovieb4 on Aug 19, 2008 6:40 AM   
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Only adolescent personalities could paint themselves in a corner as we have in “soviet” Georgia. From our corner we bullroar at the Russians, like cowered and effectual children, somehow believing that “mouthing off” conceals our utter impotence and inability to control the situation. And, now we’re going to “punish” the “misbehaving” Russians, like disapproving parents. Truly, our policy makers suffer from parent/child disorders and arrested development. Our European “allies” must be pleased with our having teased and antagonized the dog, err’ bear next door, while we live carefully on another block.

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Cluck, cluck, cluck.
Posted by: premarachel on Aug 19, 2008 7:37 AM   
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The chickens are coming home to roost, as the foxes leave the hen house. It all comes down to greed. 30,000 wealthy Americans took their ill gotten gains and fled the country last year. Our education has been so minimilized that one third of us can't even read, so how can we be expected to know what's going on, let alone decide what or who to vote for. Stupidity does not prosper. Witness!

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Bush has mismanaged our relationship with Russia from day one
Posted by: PaulC on Aug 19, 2008 8:24 AM   
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When Bush took office in 2000 Putin was begging him to work together to achieve drastic bilateral reductions of nuclear weapons - the long sought dream of all humanity for the past 60 years.

Bush never even considered the idea. Instead, Bush treated Putin with disrespect, taking advantage of Russia's economic collapse in 1998, which was, by the way, orchestrated by the free-market radicals running IMF, to tighten the noose around Russia with new NATO members and the promise of missile batteries encircling Russia herself, allegedly to protect against rogue nations attacking Europe!

Russia's resurgence was a surprise to the neocons, coming on the heels of ever increasing oil prices making Russia's vast oil fields a bonanza overnight.

Now Putin is on the warpath against the US just as Russia's power is peaking and that of the US is collapsing due to runaway corruption and greed.

Who can blame Putin, who was personally basically spit on when he came hat-in-hand to the US for help? Or when his economy was literally destroyed by IMF interference that put the industrial wealth of the state in the hands of a few mafia dons?

It was a huge transformation from an industrial economy to a resource extracting economy that turned Russia around, nothing that the US did to help, that is for certain.

The testosterone-based policies of the neocons ruined our one chance to make lasting friendship with Russa, proving to them that their worst fears about our motives toward them were correct, that we were a selfish arrogant and corrupt country dominated by our Corporate masters' desire for absolute control of world markets.

peace,
Paul

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Golly Gee
Posted by: GollyGee on Aug 19, 2008 8:52 AM   
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We could have spent the past ten years getting our own house in order...

Great rant, but not very well informed, and well over 10 years late itself. So much self-righteous stupidity.

The First Great Oil Crisis hit 36 years ago (1972.)so we've had far more than 10 years to change course, but that would mean, gulp, that Neocons alone are not responsible for the fix the country is in.

And many, many, many critics have long demonstrated the folly of placing military bases around the world, not just around Russia. (Think Chalmers Johnson.) Does Kunstler actually think he is saying something new?

As much as I'd like to blame them, the Neo-cons aren't responsible for our suburban lifestyle either. And while they're dumber and farther out of touch than previous political bosses, it's only by degree. The foundation of our present policies and insanity were laid well before them.

As for "world class passenger rail..." Huh? Yes, I'm all for it, but Germany has long had that and now Germany has more cars per-capita than the U.S., while France nearly equals us in number of cars per person. The Brits, despite the convenient size of their country, drive nearly as many miles a year as we do.

And how Kunstler figures not securing our borders fits in, or how that's the fault of the Neocons — well, I guess he hasn't taken an international flight or crossed a border recently. Has he heard of the border fence farce? Of Fortress America?

And who's fault is all this? Well, it's the Boomers who will be remembered as having destroyed America. Is Kunstler so uninformed that he actually believes the Neocons are Boomers. No, James, they are of a different generation.

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» RE: Golly Gee Posted by: tommy_slothrop
Hubris?
Posted by: Archie1954 on Aug 19, 2008 8:55 AM   
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There are stories making the rounds on the Net that the U.S. actively conspired to destroy the Ruble under the old USSR sometime around its implosion. If true the chickens have come home to roost. Even so under effective leadership the whole current U.S. problem could have been managed. What's wrong with America? I can tell you in one word "Bush".

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trapped
Posted by: solrev on Aug 19, 2008 8:59 AM   
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The purpose of the US invasion of Russia appears to be the destabilizing of the EU and Russia relationship. By destabilization of the oil in the region the US hopes to reduce the EU dependence on Russian oil and gas as unreliable sources. The EU and Russia may agree to start dealing Russian oil in euros. Russia has been trying to destroy the oil dollar for some time. Russia can count on Iran to play that game with them. That would cause a total collapse of the world order and leave the US with nothing but debt. If Condi tries to force NATO to isolate Russia, it may well be the beginning of the end for NATO. Russia and EU may find that they have more in common than the EU and the US has. A risky gambit but when you are caught in a trap what else can you do but chew your own leg off.

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Don't blame us -- completely.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 19, 2008 9:09 AM   
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"The Boomers will be identified as the generation that wrecked America."

Please, do not tar a whole generation because of one immature little idiot in the White House, the unlimiteded greed of multi-national corporations, and the disinformation campaign those corporations have successfully waged.

We americans can only work with what information we get; but what we get from a monolithic media is propaganda and pop-culture crap designed to keep us misdirected, and thus, ignorant. Don't kid yourselves; advertising techniques that have been developed to sell us junk we don't need have been perfected and applied to the whole of our information sources.

We are being played for suckers by a VERY sophisticated military-industrial-media complex.

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This is more about maintaining high military budgets than energy
Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Aug 19, 2008 9:10 AM   
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The military-industrial complex hated the end of the Cold War. The Cold War had allowed them to keep spending on armaments at WWII levels for 45 years after that war ended. When it ended they tried everything they could think of to maintain their stream of US taxpayer money. The continued existence of NATO is evidence of that.

NATO was founded to counter Soviet expansionism. When the Soviet Union collapsed the Warsaw pact was disbanded, the Soviet republics were allowed to break away and Russia allowed US military personnel into their country to begin to disassemble their nuclear arsenal. NATO no longer had a reason to exist.

But NATO wasn't disbanded. Instead the Vice President for Strategy and Planning at Lockheed Martin, Bruce Jackson, was appointed as head of the US Committee on NATO by President Clinton and put in charge of integrating the Eastern European countries into NATO in spite of assurances that had been given to Soviet leader Mikhael Gorbachev that this would not be done. This integration involved selling US weapons systems to these countries so that they would be compatible with ours.

But selling isn't exactly the right word. Because these countries couldn't afford to spend billions on new weapons and probably would have chosen to do other things with the money if they'd had it, the US government financed the purchase of the weapons. The net effect was that billions of dollars worth of weapons were sold to the US taxpayers and then given to the Eastern European governments.

This resulted in the political empowerment of the more militaristic elements of the Eastern European political class (just like how giving billions of dollars worth of weapons to Israel empowered the most militaristic elements there) and their disproportionate representation in the current governments. Now the Bush administration has withdrawn from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty and wants to place missile bases in Poland and the Czech Republic that will give the US a nuclear first-strike capability against Russia. The people of these countries don't want these bases but their governments have agreed to host them. NATO, now nothing but the marketing arm of the arms industry, has exactly what it wants, a new Cold War.

The situation in Georgia is just the latest installment in this depraved political soap opera. Georgia and Ukraine have been plied with offers of free weapons (from the generous US taxpayers) into applying for NATO membership and the US government has supported them, of course. In the Ukraine, at least, the people are opposed. But the US has a compliant government in place in the Ukraine and the people's desires can be safely ignored.

The US has deliberately and completely unnecessarily cultivated a hostile relationship with Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union in order to justify high military budgets. Russia sees itself as being surrounded by a hostile alliance which is developing nuclear first-strike capabilities and is taking steps to prevent this. Oil, although itself a critical component of the arms industry's marketing strategy, is somewhat peripheral.

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Paper Tiger
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Aug 19, 2008 9:41 AM   
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There is a reason tigers are kept in cages at zoos. But this particular tiger once went around the earth, growling, prancing, snarling and created various military and economic agreements with other nations; and today this tiger is growing old, senile, clueless lost its ability to take care of itself.
The proud Red, White and Blue tiger has met its match in the distant Caucasus. It, too, is red, white and blue, and a lot stronger and more virile. As the older tiger realizes his 50-state house is falling apart supported only by a overextended armed forces whose people are going bankrupt and jobless; whose citizens are about to choose another president, has a awfully big fur ball in its belly and is becoming more sick and can't growl loudly as before.
So the weak tiger makes another foray into Brussels demanding we "do something", as Dick Dastardly would say to Muttley when one of his schemes backfired. But the Europeans would snicker and enjoy seeing their master hit the ground.
The United States is a bona fide paper tiger. Yes, it has unbridled military strength; but even this is limited now. It would serve the old cat to go home and fix his cage and say au revoir to Georgia.

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Russian Nationalists
Posted by: benzene on Aug 19, 2008 10:34 AM   
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It is a bit hard for me to ken to the popular wisdom that Russia invaded Georgia to protect its nationals. My grandfather is a veteran of the 1942-43 Winter War between Russia and Finland, and it ultimately resulted in a mass exodus of Finnish nationals from Karelia, which was and has historically been ethnically Finnish. However, the emptying of Karelia suited the expansionist Russia. As such, this current foray into Georgia strikes me as hypocrisy and history repeating itself.

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» Russian Nationalists Posted by: harryf200
Megatons to Megawatts programm
Posted by: pacito on Aug 19, 2008 11:36 AM   
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Russia could probably do more harm to the US by cancelling the so called Megatons to Megawatts program. Because
... One-tenth of America’s electricity comes from fuel made from Russian nuclear warheads!

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Once again, Neocon Queen Condi Rice sticks a pricey shoe in her mouth
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 19, 2008 11:41 AM   
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As reported by today's Los Angeles Times, CondiSleeza condemned Russia for what she said was "growing reliance on military power...to assert its influence over other nations."

Talk about a pot calling a kettle black -- and I don't mean the cliche in a rascist fashion.

Condi is the same "genius" who didn't understand what the August 2001 intelligence memo meant when it said, "Bin Laden to strike U.S."

Pardon another old cliche, but Dr. Rice has got her inflated head stuck so far up her elitist ass, she literally can't tell trees from forests.

Like other members of the Bush administration, Condi is a world class hypocrite with a heart colder than Arctic ice. Here's what I wrote in my forthcoming book, "King George W. Bush & the Treasonous Neocons."

On Tuesday, August 30, 2005, in the Big Apple as reported by the New York Daily News, Secretary of State Condoleezza, who was on vacation, relieved her anxiety about Hurricane Katrina by patronizing Ferragamo, a pricey leather-goods boutique on Fifth Avenue. According to the Web site www.Gawker.com, she bought several thousand dollars worth of shoes.

When she paid the bill, another female customer shouted at her, “How dare you shop while thousands are dying and homeless!”― referring presumably to Louisiana and Mississippi.

The woman expressing her First Amendment rights was promptly removed from the store, apparently by Secret Service agents escorting Miss Rice.

That morning, before the incident happened, a reporter in Washington, D.C. asked State Department spokesman Sean McCormack if Condi was involved with hurricane relief efforts.

McCormack replied tersely, “She’s in contact with the department as appropriate.”

He made no mention of Condi's New York shopping spree.

That evening, still in the Big Apple, Secretary Rice sought more post-Katrina emotional relief by attending the Monty Python musical, “Spamalot!”

After the performance ended, when the Shubert Theatre lights went up, several audience members booed her for not being involved in the national crisis.

Enough said.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran (for the benefit of new AlterNet visitors)
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ba
Posted by: mnstra on Aug 19, 2008 1:13 PM   
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I love Kunstler's writings and his foresight. I read anything he writes. I wast terrified after reading his book about the long emergency and went right into denial then depression.I have however come through those feelings with a new sense of wisdom and purpose about my own future.
I believe his scenerios will all come to pass unless we as good citizens of the world wake up .
Start driving 55mph on highways, slow down in cities spend less on crap. Prepare your own meals at home.Save your money. We all can make a difference, Vote for a candidate that will lead us out of this mess like Ralph Nader.

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Perpetual war!!!!!
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 19, 2008 3:03 PM   
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The author has hit the nail on the head! "One might state categorically that it would be a salubrious thing for America to knock off all its vaunted "dreaming" and just wake the fuck up."

The boomer generation is definitely responsible, we refuse to see reality! Somewhere during those peace, power, and love chants a delusional selfishness crept in, and still it envelops us. I hear and read stories about the WWII generation, you know how they sacrificed, and thought about how they wanted to leave the world better for their kids. And here are the grandkids screwing it up and over for everyone. The neocons are a symbol of the outright perversions, pretensions, lies, and deceits that we swallow, as we tell ourselves it's okay. Is it just another symptom of this incredible collective mental illness that we have bought into. Or maybe it's this invading cancer that needs to be cut out, before the patient dies!

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» RE: Perpetual war!!!!! Posted by: liza
The last sentence says it
Posted by: bvconway on Aug 19, 2008 4:21 PM   
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No other comment.

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Who is Kuntsler kidding?
Posted by: EagleX on Aug 19, 2008 4:30 PM   
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This guy is an unabashed America hater. None of his commentary or opinion is remotely objective, independent thinking, or rational.

By posting this unsupported rubbish on Alternet, he is “preaching to the choir”. Nobody outside an extreme fringe element considers any of Kuntsler's rhetoric more than Leftist inspired hate.

Geopolitics 101 for the fringe:

Russia is bad --- the present government is autocratic and now apparently expansionist.

America is good (not perfect) --- everywhere the USA maintains hegemony peace, prosperity, stability, and democracy prevail. Benevolent (not perfect) American leadership and protection has made Europe, the Asian Pacific Rim, and the Western Hemisphere more peaceful, prosperous, stable, and free than at any time in their tumultous histories.

Predictably, whenever America misteps (which it does from time to time), anti-American Leftists like Kuntsler pounce. What is amusing is that they look incredibly silly by attempting to vilify American foreign policy that when successfully implemented has led to long term peace, prosperity, stability, and freedom, while at the same time trying to make corrupt, declining, and brutal regimes led by the likes of Putin, Mao, Castro, Stalin, Chavez, Mugabe, Ahmadinejad and Saddam "victims" of US "atrocities"

Whenever our enemies (those genocidial despotism that Kuntsler fawns over) have prevailed poverty, violence, instability, and despotism prevail.

Take a look at a world map and note the difference between areas that are protected under American hegemony (not perfect ) and compare the quality of life with those nations that are adversaries of the USA.

Of course, those fringe America haters will no doubt point out isolated unintended indiscretions committed by America (not perfect) in the pursuit of national interest while neglecting the big picture that

Russia is in irreparable decline from corrupt autocratic governance, AIDS, TB, declining population, singular dependence on unstable commodity market, myriad neighbors who hate them due to the fact that Russia and the former USSR has brutally attacked virtually all of their neighbors in the last 50 years.

While in the evil America, millions are risking life and limb to get into American and hundreds of billions of foreign capital and dollars are flooding into the USA despite Kuntsler's fantasy that the USA is in “decline”

You have to admit one thing, these fringe contributors are entertaining, if not confused.

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Kunstler is absolutely correct
Posted by: corazon on Aug 20, 2008 8:23 PM   
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I've read the neocon defence of their appointed Georgian despot(not perfect), as mean 'ol Russia(not perfect either). Its pretty sad to believe that they live in a land of illusions where democracys can be instituted from the top down. Its never happend in the history of civilization.

Its a lie to think that the US(far from perfect) foreign policy is driven by heart strings of "compasionate convservatives" who only want democracys.

What they want and history has shown is complete American corporate control of a country's natural resources. Its happening in Iraq, and Africa, and several of the 'stans in central Asia.
Its got nothing to do about democracy. The US offers illusury concepts of deomcracy that frankly the people (99%) Muslim do not care about or care to implemant.
Now of course, when those of us that actually care about liberty and freedom see these vast power grabs by the political parties and their corporate sponsers and call them on it, we're call "anti-american".
Appearently to be American nowadays, you have to be for the mass murder of thousands or millions of civilians in order to bring them "democracy".
America is as benevolent as it assert its influence in a particular region.
American "protection" around the globe has led to some of the most brutal and autocratic regimes ever seen by man.
But thats ok with America hating neocons as it advances their corporate mercantilist profiteering all with tax payer supported tax write offs.
Neocons hate Putin becomes he kicked or jailed those mercantilists neocons bought and paid for on Wall Street either in jail or out of the country.
Now he is reaserting Russian influence in countries orbiting Russia.

So it sad to see America hating neocons defend another one of their stand up guys for murdering thousands of Russian civilians in S Ossetia.
Why do neocons hate America and its Constitution? Is it just a "godamn piece of paper" as Bush called it?

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wrong to blame boomers
Posted by: liza on Aug 22, 2008 8:39 PM   
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I can't believe this statement:

"The cluelessness of George Bush is nothing less than a perfect metaphor for the failure of a whole generation. The Boomers will be identified as the generation that wrecked America."

In response:

1. Bush is the privileged son of a privileged son. To equate him and his failings with an entire generation of "Boomers" is more than ridiculous.

2. As far as I can see, it's people like Regan and Cheney who have created the mess we're in now - exactly the (older) people against whom most Boomers revolted.

I don't understand this tendency to blame Boomers for all that's bad today, when it's clear that some of our problems were created by the "pre-Boomers" (if that's a term?), and that Boomers accomplished much of which we are proud today - civil rights, women's rights, and so forth.

Or are we no longer proud of such accomplishments?

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Reality has set in......
Posted by: eosrk on Aug 24, 2008 6:43 AM   
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...and I've said it long ago that this will come crashing down on BushCo.....and no way out but way of leaving the White House.

Thank you, Mr. President for this moment, for you will be remembered as it greatest failure in American History! From pissing away the surplus, the fuck-up in the middle east, and now the potental of a WWIII, and to put the icing on that fallen cake, Hurricane Katrina and Rita!

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