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So You Think You Can Just Add a Clothesline to Your House? Dream on

By Stan Cox, Prairie Writers Circle. Posted August 13, 2008.


20% of Americans are subject to homeowners associations, which have sweeping powers to dictate almost anything you want to do to your own home.

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Susana Tregobov dries clothes on a line behind her Maryland townhouse, saving energy and money. But now her homeowners association has ordered her to bring in the laundry. The crackdown came after a neighbor complained that the clothesline "makes our community look like Dundalk," a low-income part of Baltimore.

Tregobov and her husband plan to fight for their right to a clothesline, but the odds are against them. Although their state recently passed a law protecting homeowners' rights to erect solar panels for generating electricity, it is still legal in Maryland for communities to ban solar clothes-drying.

Twenty percent of Americans now live in homes subject to rules set by homeowner associations, or HOAs. These private imitation governments have sweeping powers to dictate almost any aspect of a member's property, from the size of the residence down to changes in trim color and the placement of a basketball hoop.

In the view of HOAs, people hand over control of such things when they buy their home, so they have no legitimate gripe. But a growing number of state and local governments are deciding that when HOAs ban eco-friendly practices, they violate the property rights of their members and damage everyone's right to a habitable planet.

In recent years, a dozen state legislatures have passed laws that restrict the ability of HOAs to ban solar panels and solar water heaters. Florida and Colorado now protect the rights of homeowners to replace irrigated, chemically dependent lawns with more natural landscaping that requires little or no extra water or other artificial life support. And Colorado has become the third state to give legal protection to people who dare to defy their HOAs by putting up that most economical of all energy-saving devices, the clothesline.

The more restrictive HOAs cling to outdated standards that treat necessary features of an ecologically resilient future -- renewable energy devices, clotheslines, fans in windows, awnings, vegetable gardens, fruit trees, compost bins, natural landscaping -- as eyesores to be buried under restrictions or banned outright.

Meanwhile, HOAs commonly mandate large, centrally air-conditioned square footages, two-car garages, lawn sprinkler systems or synthetic lawn fertilizers and weed-killers. You'd think that in 2008, community leaders would be embarrassed to enforce overconsumption and pollution, but these property cops seem determined to impose their narrow aesthetic preferences on everyone else.

Critics say that only a strong federal law can effectively protect America's 60 million HOA residents from antigreen rules. One bill, the Solar Opportunity and Local Access Rights (SOLAR) Act, is designed to do just that, but it languishes in Congress with only one co-sponsor.

The energy to restrain overbearing HOAs may have to come from the grassroots. As families struggle in coming years to keep up with rising grocery and utility bills, on top of their mortgage payments and HOA dues, they may well put the heat on lawmakers to protect their right to money-saving conservation, renewable energy and edible landscaping.

A small but growing number of HOAs are actually encouraging green practices. But let's see them push harder: Set strict limits on house size, ban pesticides and leaf blowers, maybe even discount association dues for energy conservers. These are rules we all can live with.

They also raise a dilemma. Rousing appeals to individual freedom and property rights can be effective in, say, winning Susana Tregobov her right to dry in Maryland. But as a vehicle for environmental causes, the property-rights argument can backfire. In its more fatuous forms, it can be a favorite weapon of anti-environmentalists, who would doubtless use it to obstruct green HOA rules.

We can debate the details of the rules, but we have to keep our eye on the ball - that blue-green ball we all live on. We must enforce universal rights, not just individual rights. With human-made climatic catastrophe looming, neighborhood groups have an ethical responsibility not only to protect their own turf but also to lighten the burden we all put on an ecosphere that belongs to everyone and to no one.

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Stan Cox is a plant breeder and writer in Salina, Kansas. His book, Sick Planet: Corporate Food and Medicine, was just published by Pluto Press.

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Simple case of buyer beware.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Aug 13, 2008 12:37 AM   
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Don't buy homes in places with restrictive clauses.

Why would you want to? If you're that concerned about property value, buy stock in commercial real estate.

I've had to deal with several pipsqueak tinpot asshats who sit on association boards, and they're exactly what you'd expect them to be: tinpot asshats. I wouldn't subject my property rights to their authority, why would you?

Oh yeah--the illusion of exclusivity in a mostly Chinese-made-plastic-home cookie cutter suburb. Dare you dream?

This article is a problem waiting on a solution--that being $6.00 gasoline. When that happens, folks will forget to get uppity about what sort of lawn decorations their neighbors display, and become more concerned about getting commuter rail integrated into their areas.

Until then, screw the balding lawyers and their do-nothing wives who sit on these stupid boards. I won't buy into any residence controlled by an association, and it's something everyone else should think about before they willingly surrender their property rights.

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» I WISH! Posted by: aislinnluv
» RE: Simple case of buyer beware. Posted by: quitecontrary
» It isn't just HOA neighborhoods Posted by: willymack
» RE: It isn't just HOA neighborhoods Posted by: quitecontrary
Regulating anti-environmentalism
Posted by: lolo730 on Aug 13, 2008 5:22 AM   
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I immediately identified with this story! After taking pictures of laundry lines throughout my European travels, I decided to implement a strategy on my own Chicago apartment balcony. The letter from the management company was taped to my door within 2 days.

I'm always frustrated to hear or experience regulations that curb green living practices -- it seems that the challenges and obstacles are great enough as it is.

Since you also commented on the chemical upkeep of manicured lawns, I thought I would share a link to the Edible Estates site, where you can find an attack on the front yard as we know it: http://www.fritzhaeg.com/edible-estates-book.html

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» from the writer Posted by: tscox
it's not just HOA's....
Posted by: ellie on Aug 13, 2008 6:01 AM   
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but many municipalities have the same sort of laws on the books written in as some sort of potential hazard to the overall community as a sidestep around any up-the-food-chain laws... also called community standards....

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Are you FOR line drying or AGAINST something else. . .?
Posted by: stevehamlin on Aug 13, 2008 6:09 AM   
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Got a clothes line in the garage; used a drying rack for more than 25 years.

All the while living in HOA communities...

HOAs are like hammers -- they can be used for good or bad. If you don't like yours, change it. Or just complain about it here at AlterNet. Your call.

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» What's that enchanting aroma? Posted by: antiapathy
» RE: What's that enchanting aroma? Posted by: stevehamlin
» CAR MAINTENANCE Posted by: charlieparisek
» RE: CAR MAINTENANCE Posted by: stevehamlin
The HOA system works
Posted by: rickiey on Aug 13, 2008 6:20 AM   
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If you don't want to live an area with an HOA, you don't have to buy into one.

Quite frankly, as a general rule, if you aren't the type that want to live with those sort of regulations, then the people who DO, don't want you as their neighbors.

You don't want to be there, they don't want you there.

System works.

Also, a solar panel and an electric dryer is perfectly green, thank you very much.

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» RE: The HOA system works Posted by: drmflorida
» Smart Posted by: kepstein7777
» RE: The HOA system works Posted by: rickiey
» RE: The HOA system works Posted by: donl51
» Lipstick on a pig Posted by: toddcory
» RE: Lipstick on a pig Posted by: Sushi
» RE: Lipstick on a pig Posted by: rickiey
» RE: Lipstick on a pig Posted by: grinch
» AN ELECTRIC DRYER IS... Posted by: charlieparisek
» RE: The HOA system works Posted by: jp3220615
» RE: The HOA system works Posted by: IC_DeLight
What a joke
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 13, 2008 6:34 AM   
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I dont see how anyone in their right mind would even consider moving in to a home governed by an "association". What a joke. I would never put my self in a position to have some commie commando telling me what I can and cannot do on my own property!

JT
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» "Right mind" can change Posted by: abrunvand
» RE: What a joke Posted by: donl51
Apartments.
Posted by: kittynboi on Aug 13, 2008 6:45 AM   
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As an apartment dweller, I'm fortunate that my complex is VERY open to allowing lots of container gardens, clothes drying racks, and other stuff on patios, as long as you keep it clean and orderly.

I think part of this is just clinging to the outdated McMansion mindset, where every little thing you do is supposed to be based on bringing up property value and making your home an "investment" and making sure your neighbors don't lose their "investment" due to your behavior.

People have come to view a house less as a dwelling and a place to, you know, actually live and do stuff, and more as an expression of conformity, affluence, and other stuff that focuses more on what the local "community" deems appropriate than anything practical.

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» RE: Apartments. Posted by: quitecontrary
Project Laundry List
Posted by: mountainmama on Aug 13, 2008 6:45 AM   
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I belong to a group that are very active in trying to make changes in laws where clotheslines are banned. We are making headway. For more information and to learn more facts (you'd be surprised!), this is their website: http://www.laundrylist.org/

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HOA is just another arm of BIG GOVERNMENT in case you all didn't know.
Posted by: jwverez on Aug 13, 2008 7:04 AM   
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Stan, you’re the man ! THANK YOU !! Local governments often like HOAs because the government can offload responsibilities to them, such as street maintenance, lighting, trash collection, sewers, etc. Of course, despite the additional cost of HOA fees, there’s no corresponding reduction in property taxes! IT IS TIME TO ABOLISH BIG GOVERNMENT AND KILL HOA !! Obama won’t do it but RALPH NADER, CYNTHIA MCKINNEY, CINDY SHEEHAN, etc … WILL TAKE A STAB AT IT AND NOT GIVE UP ! You have two choices. You can settle for the two-party duopoly or you can vote outside those two and vote for real kick butt change ! It’s your choice.

By the way, watch the RED states turn GREEN and the so-called “liberal” states stay “red”. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, so much for MD, NY, CA, etc … being “liberal” !!

P.S.: My apologies to those states but you voters out there know what your job is. Either let Big Government keep robbing you of your freedom to go green or stand up to “conservative” ignorance and fight back !! It’s your choice !!

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I think a lot of these kinds of properties are going to be abandoned
Posted by: Jasonix on Aug 13, 2008 7:55 AM   
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I didn't buy a house during the housing boom earlier this decade because it would've required me to move to an exurb that'd make me drive 60 miles to work, and would be far from any train depots. I bought a condo instead - I knew that sharing wall space with others would make my unit easier to heat. As a result, I've saved thousands of dollars a year on heat and commuting.

But things are deteriorating so fast I've realized that I'm going to have to retreat to a truly rural community in the near future in order to grow my own vegetables and heat my home with wood. There is simply no way to retrofit the shoddy dwellings built in the last several decades to accommodate sustainable living. I first thought that as peak oil and natural gas depletion bore down, I could eventually install baseboard heat - expensive, but workable - since coal-generated electricity would still be available. But apparently, Big Coal has been pulling our leg as much as OPEC - Google "Peak+Coal AND German" and read some scary findings by the German government - most of the coal that remains in the ground is low-quality, and the power we've been able to generate from coal started declining in 1998. The US now actually IMPORTS coal. Without cheap coal, the truly apocalyptic scenarios of James Howard Kunstler and others become more than just merely plausible. We're not just going to "grit our teeth" and pay a big electric bill - most of us are going to have to live pre-technological lives for real. That means dug wells, fireplaces with wood, gardens, foraging, hunting. Even if we start work on building nuclear plants and wind tunnels right now, they aren't likely to come on line in time to save us from years of having to live like that.

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» RE: I gave the Google Posted by: Jasonix
Looks Bad
Posted by: logic on Aug 13, 2008 8:01 AM   
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The restrictions are in place because of their concept of what "looks bad". These stratas need to know that lack of eco harmony "looks bad" nowadays. Intolerance towards individuality "looks bad" all the time, besides being downright boring.

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Hey!it's like that in our nations capital!
Posted by: donl51 on Aug 13, 2008 8:14 AM   
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Narrowminded ellected officials tell all of us all the time what we can or cannot do,irregardless of human rights,the enviroment,education or lack thereof....that's what happens when some people are given power to control others,unfortunately self-importance is surfacing more and more! Thankfully I own a home in an old developement of custom built homes dating back to the 1940's I belong to an assoc.who's only real concern is trashing the place and theft!whereas not far from here is a more up-to-date developement of every house is identical....and must be kept that way if you wish to buy into their lovely community,every curtain same,put you cars in the two car garages,if you own a third it's to be parked in the numerous visitor areas ,guess they all shit alike as well!..you buy into that ,you give up your rights....plain and simple!!..just like if you choose to stay in this country,your balls belong to someone of a higher power..[pardon my cruedness please!]

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Petty Little Tyrants
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 13, 2008 9:36 AM   
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Home Owner's Asso's are flying in the face of property ownership. If you bought the land,you have the right to do as you will on it. These idiots think they can control everything for the doormats out front to what you hang on you porch to your clotheslines.
Why do these folks act this way? Because they have a need to control. Control they have no right to unless you've been stupid enough to join the Asso.
There's only one way to handle these control freaks. Tell them to get off you property or you'll have them arrested for trespassing. Wanna stop their mail, file a harrassment lawsuit.Or....start you own Asso. against Homeowners Asso's. Like... People Against Petty Egomaniacs Homeowners. The go buy a used van from a local Heavy Metal Band and park it out front with an old biology skeleton stuck to the hood and a sign saying 'This is MY YARD.

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Hermitically sealed minds
Posted by: akbirdwm on Aug 13, 2008 10:17 AM   
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I have family that live in an "upscale" subdivision in Atlanta. 1/2 million dollar homes all sitting cheek by jowl on tiny, postage stamp sized lawns, which are manicured, pesticided, and herbicided to death. Not one stray blade of grass allowed - or person for that matter. They sit inside their hermetically sealed homes, safe inside their unchallenged hermetically sealed minds, calling everyone else who doesn't have their advantages or choose to live like them bad names. Its not their kids who get sent off to fight foreign battles, they don't have to choose between food, medication and mortgage/rent. But soon that will change.
Just wait until the credit card bubble bursts on the heels of our housing bubble and those big old monstrocities of "homes" these people seal themselves into will start going to seed as all of sudden folks who thought they were comfortably well off, can't pay their CC bills anymore. Then we'll see HOA's start being thrown to the wayside. The only thing that will make people change is necessity. And Americans are REAL good at sticking their heads up their asses until their poop pushes them out.

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Why? Because traditional neighborhoods are being trashed
Posted by: billwald on Aug 13, 2008 10:25 AM   
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People buy in gated communities to keep the rest of us out. Most cities are being trashed. There used to be good and bad neighborhoods but no more. The do-gooders love to destroy civilized neighborhoods with public housing.

The only way one can feel safe is to live in a very expensive gated community - or not have anything worth stealing. My best investment for my home was a chain link fence and an alarm system since I don't believe that vicious dogs belong in a city.

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» RE:paranoid Posted by: jumpr
miniature gestapos
Posted by: Voicedude on Aug 13, 2008 10:59 AM   
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Unfortunately, I currently live in a nice neighborhood blighted only by it's own association. I could go on about stupid, nit-picking rules and such, but to me the most ridiculous of them all is a parking issue. Our streets are not official city streets but 'community owned'. They are too narrow for any street parking. The fronts of our lots are so small that a majority of the homes don't really have a driveway to park in either. There is a few cut out parking spaces here and there, but - here's the kicker - no one is allowed to park there after midnight, not even homeowners. Someone, please, tell me - how does this make sense for any reason? With the $140+ monthly dues all we get for it is water (our cheapest bill), access to the man-made lake (NO swimming or sailing), and gardner service for those common areas (at 7:30 AM every Tuesday - literally ten feet from my open bedroom window!)

There's too many truly important things in life to get worked up over - I choose my battles - so I put these morons at the bottom of my priority list. I've already done what I could and see the writting on the wall in regards to success or change. So I count the days until I'm serious enough about a gal to combine our home equities into 'our home' somewhere else , so that I can move away from this faux third reich and let them whine to the new owners about a dirty window or a vine that's too high on a wall.

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If I had money to burn
Posted by: willymack on Aug 13, 2008 11:35 AM   
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I'd live in some snotty gated community with an adjacent golf course, and play bridge and croquet with my snotty neighbors. Ha!

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» RUNNY NOSE Posted by: charlieparisek
Cheap drying racks?
Posted by: stellabloo on Aug 13, 2008 11:38 AM   
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... prob made in a chinese laogai but a $15-$20 rack can hold an entire load of laundry with a little juggling ... plus you can use it during the winter!

Yes, we have those stupid restrictions in the neighbourhood, although they are cracking down more on people who store ATVs etc in the yard, i.e. people who can afford ATVs etc. I have one neighbour who just hangs up a clothesline during nice weather.

We got the nod to put in a drying TREE, which holds more clothes and takes up less room. Ours is tucked in the backyard, mostly out of sight, and undies go on the drying rack. Hung up another 3 loads of laundry just this morning....

Btw those dryer trees are easy to install - get a bag of redi-mix concrete and open it up lengthwise (be sure to do this right beside the hole though!) and then mix it up with a shovel, right on the bag. Scrape it into the hole and insert your sleeve - happy drying!

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I live under a HOA
Posted by: synx on Aug 13, 2008 11:49 AM   
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Or at least, the person I live with does live under a HOA. It was a requirement of the rental contract to join them. So we're both renting and under a HOA. Why would we do something so clearly unappealing to our rights and freedoms?

Let's look at the alternatives. You can live right next to a freeway. You can live in a house with termites. You can live in a decent house in a quiet part of town, renting, with a homeowner's association. I don't see much reason to be debating it. This is the best she could do given her income and situation.

Imagine what it's like to be renting. You elitists wax all poetic about property ownership, but remember the vast majority of people don't have enough money to own property. How many of you really own that property you're on, or does the bank have the right to foreclose it if you stop paying your mortgage? Property ownership sounds a lot less sweet of a deal and a lot less important when you realize that 75% of us don't really own property at all.

Let's stop focusing on what rights you have over your property, and start focusing on what rights you have as a human being on planet Earth. How about the right to an alternative? All the prime real estate is owned (yes owned) by nasty people, so wouldn't it be nice if instead it was available for the rest of us to use? If so, we'd have a lot less people entering into unwilling slave contracts, where the HOA determines the outside, and the land lord determines the inside of your home. They would have a choice.

I think if a land lord or a HOA start telling me to do things that endanger my life and the life of others, why do the police come after me and not them? Some kind of holy virtue they earned before I was even born? Well it's null and void with me, because maybe they've been a saint to other people, but me they have only pushed around.

That's the hypocrisy of property ownership: when you are born you don't sign a contract of how life is going to be. As you grow up you run into all these "property owners" whose ancestors just sat in the general area until they could put a stake in, or more likely their ancestors bought that land with their Depression era wealth, from some rube who didn't realize how valuable it was. How can you own something, if you didn't buy it in the first place? They claim all these rights and earnings, and maybe they did spend a lot of money to secure that square of land for themselves, but that doesn't make them owners. It makes them fools, duped by the guy who pretended to own it in the first place. You go back in history and eventually there's someone getting the money you "invested" for completely free, just because they pretended that they had bought some land they were on.

What we need is not to enshrine property owners as having exclusive rights to their property, regardless of its nature, or of other people's need for it. You can put a lawn gnome on your property, but you can't stand next to it shooting people across the street. Why not, it's your private property after all! That sort of attitude has to change. Their are land lords who own vast tracts of property, and make immense amounts of money off of it, because you fools enshrine their property rights, even though clearly the renters need that property and use that property, unlike the property owner. HOAs aren't any worse than that, and are really a symptom of the same problem. People are given a choice by their past generation: accept an unfair contract, or die.

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» RE: I live under a HOA Posted by: pomes
Curb Government Too!
Posted by: alicelillie on Aug 13, 2008 12:43 PM   
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These HOA rules are an outrageous violation of property rights.

But we need to curb government too, as it often violates rights in the same way.

The answer to these problems is the absolute right of a property owner to dispose of his or her own property as he or she sees fit.

And, the absolute right of anyone to seek to acquire land.

It sounds real good to open the door to regulations that are supposed to preserve the environment, but that can backfire too.

The person who owns property has (presumably) acquired the property by working for it and that person must take responsibility for it and pay the costs of owning it.

Therefore that person is entitled to make unilateral decisions. This is, of course, as long as nobody else's rights are violated. Obviously if I am going to pollute my ground, I have to make sure that the pollution does not seep into yours. If I am going to burn I have to be responsible if the smoke comes in your window, and if I am going to play loud music (live or otherwise) my sound waves must not invade your property. You have a legitimate complaint and can take me to court if you believe I have violated your property rights.

But, as long as an owner does not infringe, that owner should do as he pleases. No zoning, no permits, no nuttin.

There is a word for this: FREEDOM!

As far as the environment goes, usually the saving of energy is good for the bottom line as in the case of the clothesline.

See my pro-freedom blog at http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com

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» RE: Curb Government Too! Posted by: jareilly
Unmentionables
Posted by: Jim V. on Aug 13, 2008 1:09 PM   
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Here in Mississauga Canada where I live after 10 years of being banned from having a clothes line outdoors the fiesty Mayor who was opposed to it conceded due to the rising energy costs involved now my unmentionables flap in the breeze drying mother nature's way as she intended

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» RE: Unmentionables Posted by: Jim V.
bad HOAs I have known
Posted by: deang on Aug 13, 2008 1:38 PM   
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Though I have known a few home owners' associations that were forward-thinking and good, like some that forbade people to have lawns and hedges and required all residents to plant only native plants in order to preserve the forest of which they were a part, the vast majority of them have been run by really stupid, ignorant people like the ones described in this report.

I had a roommate who got upset when some of our trees and shrubs lost their leaves in the fall because she had been raised in a neighborhood that only allowed evergreens to be planted to avoid the "messiness" of fallen leaves. She didn't realize that deciduous plants exist outside of New England forests and was worried that we had killed them somehow.

Another HOA didn't allow children, including teenagers, to wander off of the bounds of their yards within the neighborhood longer than a set length of time, even to go to the neighborhood park overseen by the HOA. This effectively discouraged kids from playing outside, since the vigilant busybodies peering out their windows for infractions of the rules would accuse parents of child abandonment, making parents fear legal action.

And there are tons of home owners associations that effectively prohibit the use of native plants and vegetable gardens by allowing only a specific list of plants to be used.

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Clothes lines are go!
Posted by: NoKidding on Aug 13, 2008 2:04 PM   
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I'm the part owner of a small apt. complex that is also my home. I would love to have clothes lines up if we had room somewhere, who cares how it looks!

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I inherited my HOAuse
Posted by: jumpr on Aug 13, 2008 2:51 PM   
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from my mother who I lived with and took care of for 15 years.
I can';t afford to sell it at the moment or I would.
I resent the HOA spending my money to hire a "management company" to act as sheriff and police on minor petty offenses.

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HOAs are bull shit. They can even negotiate the sale of your home.
Posted by: blogbooks on Aug 13, 2008 3:02 PM   
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If a big developer wants to buy up your neighborhood of 50 single family homes and turn it into condos/apartments for 2500 people plus stores and a couple of office buildings, they can do so without your consent.

All it takes is a majority.

I would NEVER buy a home subject to HOA restrictions unless it was for investment purposes.

I had some yuppy garbage soccer mom come up to me while I was taking out the trash and tell me I was "violating trash restrictions."

I took the trash out 90 minutes before the "approved time."

...

I told her to take her little clones and get out of my face.

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Compare this to Barcelona
Posted by: antiapathy on Aug 13, 2008 4:07 PM   
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I recently traveled to Barcelona, and visited Gaudi's Park Guell, a beautiful, huge public park that has a few private residences contained within. These are the most exclusive and expensive residences in the whole city. And when you visit the park, you see clothes drying outside on a clothesline. I think they have their priorities in better order in Europe...

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HOAs
Posted by: sashi on Aug 13, 2008 4:26 PM   
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My mother was kicked out of the HOA meeting several years ago when I was in high school. Apparently, my father had a temporary company truck (Ford F150 with a lumber rack) in the driveway with a sign on the driver's side door with the company's name on it. The HOA tried to fine them because of an "advertising clause".

My mom was angry. Her explanation of the relatively non-descript truck was that that was how my father was able to pay the HOA bills. The answer was something to the effect of "find something other than a blue collar job, if you want to live here". Granted, her four-letter response was probably not appropriate, however, I can understand her frustration. My father could too, but he wrote a letter of apology anyway and asked that the fine be removed---he purchased his own truck with no signage and drives that to this day.

Also, we were not allowed to install a basketball hoop because it "brought down property values". Seriously.

In addition, when I was in high school, I drove an 80s Volvo. It was safe, worked perfectly, but the paint was worn ( no rust etc. just faded). I came back from a weekend away to find that my parents had been fined from the HOA for a "non-driveable" vehicle in the driveway.
My brother and I both drove the car almost daily and worked on it to keep it in good shape.

I know that I will never have the money to buy a house, however, I will NOT live anywhere (given the choice) with an oppressive HOA.

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» typical HOA garbage n/t Posted by: blogbooks
On human archetypes
Posted by: blogbooks on Aug 13, 2008 5:13 PM   
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There can be little doubt that there is a certain kind of person that desires, demands, and seeks dominance over others as their prime aim in life. They derive their sense of self worth and get an almost sexual level of satisfaction over dominance of others.

You see these people all over the place. You see them in the schools, you see them at your job, you see them in all forms of government and military around the world - even those that claim to be "democratic" and "for the people."

The kinds of people that end up on the HOA boards are little Napoleans. Little Nazis that want to tell everyone else how to live their life.

After all, they are such amazingly special people and if what they have decided for themselves is good enough for them, then it is certainly good enough for garbage like you and I. Or so their logic goes. Religious morality falls into this category (it's good enough for me, now you must do the same or fuck off in hell forever, heretic).

These nagging, bureaucratic, yuppy trash that want to tell everyone else how to live can go piss off as far as I'm concerned.

ALL THAT I AM DEMANDS FREEDOM ABOVE ALL ELSE.

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What Democracy? Put it to a vote - it's the American way!
Posted by: richflocker on Aug 13, 2008 8:36 PM   
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Please, learn what Mandatory HOAs are: blockwarts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockleiter

The concept is grand, but the reality is criminal. The parasites who make their living from running/working for HOA management companies will lie and say HOAs improve your property values, they do not. They simply provide a money stream to the largest organized crime gang in US history.

Voluntary HOAs are a blessing to all who join and support them, but Mandatory HOAs are a deception by the housing industry, a bastion for extortion racketeering, and a haven for busy-bodies on a power trip. It's a science experiment gone bad - read life in a petrie dish to understand this principle:

http://www.thehoaprimer.org/petrie.htm

I live in a dual-tiered HOA - this is my first experience with Mafia-controlled land and I've lived here about 13 years. I never EVER voluntarily entered into any contract that puts my house up as collateral to insure payment to the MAFIA (Mandatory Associations Foreclosing in America) and I never agreed to perpetual ARC control over putting up solar panels and improving the energy efficiency of my house or putting up clotheslines. The HOA authorities have turned down virtually every application for improvements I ever made - mostly because they hate me. I'm a vocal advocate against their bully tactics. Free speech is especially verboten in HOA land. This is where a BlockWart mentality controls our lives. Americans never voluntarily gave up their constitutional right to a republican form of government...thus the contract is a fraudulent play on words, not a valid contract. It does not pass the test of mutuality.

I will not move until my kids are out of school - 7 more years. I keep my promises, and I promised to give them something I never had - stability. I am an American and I have pride in ownership of my home - but I will never tolerate this fascism and I feel a duty to speak out against its existence. We do not have any common areas - no pool, no park, no nothing - thus there is no need for the mafia - all they do is cause trouble and stir up acrimony.
Their most recent crime was to deny my application to put solar panels on my detached garage. It brings a happy tear to my eye to see this HOA's bad decision posted on the news for all the world to see, but until the legislature requires HOAs to follow the law and become democratically renewed chartered organizations, nothing will change. The Fascists have taken control.

Maybe people will realize that our American Dreams have been denied due to this blockwart mentality? Concentration Camps were built according to a MASTER PLAN, too.

Solar power shouldn't be verboten and it's time to do away with these HOA Declarations of CC&Rs. We need to restore the Declaration of Independence. The City of San Antonio's residential restrictions and code compliance is more than adequate to preserve harmony and keep the neighborhood looking nice- we don't need these blockwarts looking over our shoulder. Don't believe the rhetoric that says we need these HOAs to control our behavior. The brainwashing didn't work on me. If you think HOAs are good and necessary to keep your neighborhood looking nice - get help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_counseling

This is the land of the free, and it's time to exterminate these liberty sucking parasites from the face of our country.
Rich

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Ok, I'm skimmed these responses...
Posted by: adp3d on Aug 13, 2008 8:47 PM   
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...and I didn't see any about how green values residents can and should take control over these organizations. I don't and would not live under these kinds of dictatorships but I assume that board members are elected and not just self- appointed. This seems like the very turf that grassroots can mature from. Green caucuses and enclaves and neighbors can be active to overturn energy guzzling practices and do things like requirements for less water consuming landscaping and such...

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What. . .?!?
Posted by: stevehamlin on Aug 14, 2008 7:08 AM   
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You are not making sense.

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The sad thing
Posted by: pomes on Aug 14, 2008 4:19 PM   
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The sad thing is half of the people ranting against HOAs would probably be all for them if they were used to enforce "eco friendliness" instead of opposing it.

As a poster above me so eloquently put it, these types of organizations are nothing less than fascist, and forcing on one kind of green propaganda ("we'll make your property values go up") is no more wrong than forcing on another. ("I better see a clothesline here next time buddy..")

It's all about freedom. Making moral choices is impossible until you are free to actually make choices.

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