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Why We Should Stop Demonizing John Edwards

By Michael Bader, AlterNet. Posted August 12, 2008.


If the public wants to get to the bottom of Edwards' affair we have to drop the moral platitudes and look at what led him to it.

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If we're going to make the private lives of our politicians grist for the media mill, then we ought to at least correctly understand them. We don't. Instead, we reduce behavior to simple good/bad dichotomies, infer only the most superficial of motives to the culprits, and make sweeping judgments about their basic characters without a shred of evidence. The Edwards affair becomes another traffic accident that we slow down to watch, safe in our cars, shaking our heads in pity, disdain, or secret relief that it happened to someone else. Most important, we profess bewilderment about the fact that these public figures acted irrationally, deceiving themselves and others that they behaved self-destructively without apparent regard to the consequences of their actions. All this, despite the fact that such phenomena are a universal fact of human psychology.

As I was listening to the outpouring of shock and outrage from media pundits about the Edwards affair, I was thinking about all of the men I've treated who had similar affairs, extramarital liaisons primarily based on sex and passion. Their motives were varied, complex, and often unconscious. Sometimes they ended badly for all concerned; other times not. But either way, these were distinctly human dramas, full of pleasure, conflict, guilt, loneliness, longing, and hurt. If the affairs were exposed, however, the reactions of others were usually moral and judgmental, much the same as the reactions today about Edwards. How could he be so stupid? How could he be so self-centered? How could he risk so much for superficial pleasures? Often, again like Edwards, my male patients agreed with these harsh judgments.

When behavior hurts others, it should be condemned. Such is the case with John Edwards whose behavior no doubt hurt his wife and family, whose cover-up hurt his staff and followers, and whose pursuit of the presidency could potentially have hurt his party and the nation. But let's stop thinking that we know what motivated him, or that even he knows. Every day in my clinical practice, the men I see act out of deep conflicts about which they, their friends, and their victims are unaware. The guilt, moral outrage, and pain of everyone involved makes real understanding unfortunately impossible. Empathy and compassion are difficult when the conversation is about crime and punishment. It might even be argued that such sympathies are irrelevant. After all, responsibility and accountability shouldn't require a note from your therapist.

But if we want to understand this type of behavior, then we have to go deeper than moral platitudes and we have to stop projecting our own feelings of guilt, outrage, and victimization onto the Edwards drama. The men I see who might share psychological similarities with John Edwards are often men who care deeply for their wives and children. They begin an affair because aspects of it promise to counteract private but burdensome feelings of obligation or disconnectedness toward those closest to them, feelings that may be consciously denied and invisible to the public eye. They sometimes seek a relationship where they're accepted unconditionally, a feeling that they often don't feel in their marriages and certainly not in their public lives. Many powerful men who are public figures feel obliged to constantly project and maintain an idealized image of themselves. The arms of an admiring new woman offer a fantasy of effortless pleasure, of being given to without expectation of performance of any kind. In other cases, men may experience their wives (rightly or wrongly) as brittle, unhappy, or troubled and their new paramour as happy, upbeat, admiring and energetic. The list of possible ulterior motivations and meanings could go on.

The point of offering these types of explanations is not to suggest that any one of them applies to Edwards. The point is that they're steps toward understanding behavior from the point of view of the one doing the behaving, not from the victim or an outside judge. This is what we mean by empathy, an attitude sorely lacking in discussions of men who cheat and then cover it up. When the conversation involves an effort at real understanding, then it becomes clear that we are all more alike than different, that while most of us perhaps wouldn't do what Edwards did, we're certainly familiar with many of his motivations and feelings. Consider, for example, the cover-up. Many pundits, wanting to appear tolerant and fair, suggest that the shocking revelation in this case isn't the original crime but Edwards' attempt to conceal it from the public and, more important, that he thought he could get away with it. But I ask you: Is this really so difficult to understand? Imagine a man whose entire identity is politics, whose basic conscious sense of meaning and purpose derives from being a public figure pursuing highly important goals. Imagine that man also loves his wife and children. He then acts out, driven by psychological pressures, longings and conflicts about which he is unaware. Is it really so incomprehensible or dastardly that, given the catastrophic losses that would ensue if he revealed his secret, that he would let himself be guided by the wishful fantasy that he could keep this under wraps?

Of course not. The human mind is quite used to keeping incompatible realities separate from each other. We split our public and private personas all the time. We all have private sexual fantasies and peccadilloes that are at odds with what others think of us, or even of what he usually think of ourselves. We have compulsions and addictions in which we enter states of mind that we know are self-destructive but which we keep divorced from our "normal" lives. We say things we don't mean and ask for things we don't need. We know our idols are not perfect and yet we act shocked (and fascinated, of course) when their private pathology leaks into public view. Ultimately, these contradictions result from the fact that we all have unconscious minds, play multiple roles, and have multiple identities that don't always fit into a coherent whole. And yet, we continue to be shocked when a John Edwards turns out to be capable of deceiving himself, and of having multiple and contradictory motivations.

In the end, we have to give up on this false notion that such things as changing your mind, having mixed feelings, conducting an affair, the state of your marriage, or whether you've ever seen a prostitute or picked up a man in a bathroom has anything to do with defining your character as a political leader. It does an injustice to the complexity of the mind, rendering it shocking and shameful rather than a fact of human life that we might attempt to compassionately understand.

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Michael Bader is a psychologist and psychoanalyst in San Francisco. He is the author of "Arousal: The Secret Logic of Sexual Fantasies" and the forthcoming book "Male Sexuality: Why Women Don't Understand It -- and Men Don't Either." He has written extensively about psychology and politics.

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What a phony
Posted by: mclame01 on Aug 12, 2008 12:10 AM   
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Gary Hart and Edwards ought to start a third party of losers and Bill C. can be there campaign manager.

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» RE: What a phony Posted by: weathered
» Would there be... Posted by: Bbear41
» RE: Add McLame to the group Posted by: cherylholmes
Just a mushy apologia
Posted by: ankhet on Aug 12, 2008 12:54 AM   
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...for another Promise Breaker, this piece fits in with other gloppy Men's Movememnt material on how underappreciated and neglected men have been. The musky scent of Iron John hangs in the air, like dead skunk essence on your car's undercarriage. Edwards made a vow to his wife, claims a certain moral leadership as a politician, but squanders the family's financial, social and personal resources on an outside interest. As a psychologist, you surely must know the difference between fantasy and action.

That said, the subject of Edwards's dalliances, is actually quite uninteresting in itself, (really, it is uninteresting - what's interesting is the attention it gets and how that's been whipped up by the MSM, and at this point) Seems to me this dreary little episode has been made into a sure-fire distractor from more important and dangerous political topics right now. Maybe the Democratic candidate will be tainted by it. Who knows what tricks the Repugs have up their sleeves - they better have something, because so far, they've got nothing.

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» The Media Made It So Posted by: johnyradio
Big Edwards Supporter Here
Posted by: progdem on Aug 12, 2008 1:50 AM   
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And all I can think is 'So?'

So it turns out he is not as nice a guy as you would want marrying your sister/daughter/mother. Who gives a fuck? The reason to support him was never that he had sex with the right people. So now that we know he had sex with the wrong ones, so what?

This only matters if it means that he can no longer be an effective spokesperson for economic populist messages. And that only matters if there is no one to replace him. And I seriously doubt that is true. Elite causes sometimes lack for spokes people, but not those that so seriously hurt so many people.

The issues matter not the politicians. Let the explanations be made by people who know him and give a damn. I am neither and when you are all honest and grown up about, you know you aren't either.

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» RE: Big Edwards Supporter Here Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
i know nothing of the details but when i heard that Edwards had an affair
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 12, 2008 3:51 AM   
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I wasn't terribly shocked or surprised. The husband of a good friend of mine had an affair during the three years that his father was dying of cancer.

The impending death of a loved one is a terrible thing to have to live with. An affair would be a welcome distraction, would it not?

Living in the moment can be a huge relief to anyone in emotional distress. That is as true for the Republican foot tappers as for anyone else.

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Can we move on?
Posted by: jlohman on Aug 12, 2008 4:18 AM   
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Oh come on. Can we move on to critical issues and leave Elizabeth Edwards alone to grieve? This was not of her making, but she is the one being hurt.

Jack Lohman
Moneyed Politicians

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» RE: Can we move on? Posted by: Archie1954
What?
Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Aug 12, 2008 4:22 AM   
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This is ridiculous. "Many powerful men"? Making excuses because of wealth and privilege just does not cut it. This is psycho babble at its best (or worse). John Edwards is a four flusher fraud.

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Whatever
Posted by: marxalot on Aug 12, 2008 4:39 AM   
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It's not like he had sodomy with a stranger in an airport toilet. Republicans seem to prefer prostitutes. Edwards just had a normal extramarital affair.

Compared with the many unconscionable things politicians do every day in this country, like give all my tax dollars to a tiny clique of filthy rich people, or refusing to prosecute the bloody war criminals in their own ranks, this is nothing.

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» RE: Whatever Posted by: greenthumb
Good Article
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Aug 12, 2008 5:03 AM   
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An intelligent and coherent article. Evidently it is lost on some people though, who would rather hang on to their myths, namely, that politicians should be held to a higher standard than the rest of humanity and be as pure as the driven snow. What a joke.

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» RE: Good Article Posted by: Knot_Rich
» RE: Good Article Posted by: beautifulady2003
» RE: Good Article Posted by: Intellect
» A Higher Standard, Yes. Posted by: johnyradio
» RE: A Higher Standard, Yes. Posted by: Knot_Rich
Well It is a never never land show.....
Posted by: even(nik) on Aug 12, 2008 5:32 AM   
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JRE will be a better person for this i think as it is exposing some conceits that had un-doubtedly been built up, in large part because of the dis-connected nature of things.
JRE is a very decent guy but if his ego can take a drubbing while he keeps his progressive fire intact, then he could yet be a very distinctive friend of the commonperson in that part of the world.
What helped get you guys out of the hole last time were the Huey Longs of the world, and even in small pockets anywhere in the world, when and where ever they happened, those sort of movements created cracks in the walls of empire doctrines past gone, sometimes even breaking them down.

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Gasp! John Edwards is human!!
Posted by: BreeMass on Aug 12, 2008 6:03 AM   
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In a perfect world, nobody would ever cheat on their spouse or their partner and nobody would rob or steal or kill people or take drugs or...you see where I'm going with this, right? But we don't live in a perfect world and humans are imperfect beings.

So John Edwards had an affair? So what? He, like the rest of us is an imperfect person who does things to disappoint himself, his family and his friends. The only difference with John Edwards is that he has millions of people to disappoint beyond the norm. As somebody who respects and admires John Edwards, I am disappointed, but beyond that, what right do I have to judge? If his wife and family have forgiven him, who am I to hold him in contempt. People make mistakes, it's as simple as that. Martin Luther King Jr. had affaris. JFK had affairs. Bill Clinton had one of the most publicized affairs in modern history. Does it have any effect whatsoever on the work they did on causes that I believe in? Nope, not a smidgen.

Also, what is all this gasping over how dishonest he is for lying about the affair. The author is spot on when he says that Edwards did what any person caught cheating would do - they lied and hoped the truth wouldn't get out. Any rational person would do this in similar circumstances. So?

We as Americans need to get the fuck over ourselves and our prudery and leave the man alone.

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» Adding... Posted by: BreeMass
With all due respect....
Posted by: JERSEYDAN on Aug 12, 2008 6:21 AM   
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As a fellow mental health clinician, i think the good doc is only seeing a certain type in his practice; those that are motivated by guilt, shame, or something else, and who can afford therapy ( increasingly difficult for many even with insurance. There are many men, and women, who have affairs and it just does not bother them in the least.

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» And... Posted by: johnyradio
Otto .
Posted by: otto on Aug 12, 2008 6:25 AM   
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Great article...thanks! I see the ideas and outlook here as part of the great dichotomy between liberals and conservatives.

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They all do it
Posted by: Erin on Aug 12, 2008 6:26 AM   
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Republicans,democrats,kings,CEO's,religious leaders,athletes,movie stars,etc., etc.. Immoral,poor choices, etc. It is a breach of trust, but on a personal level to wives, children, relatives; it does not mean that they cannot fulfill there obligations in their careers. Eisenhower, LBJ, JFK, Nixon, Martin Luther King,and are we forgetting McCain. I am sure even the first Bush (and I wouldn't doubt that this Bush has done it,too); and I think we can add Obama to that list, although she hasn't popped out of the woodwork, yet.
So lets get over it and keep our eyes on the really important matters in this world.

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» And... Posted by: johnyradio
» RE: They all do it Posted by: cmaciain
"...we have to drop the moral platitudes and look at what led him to it."????
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Aug 12, 2008 6:39 AM   
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A lack of devotion to his family and an inability to keep a promise?

He is a politician, though. Promises come cheap in D.C. land, and one would assume that might spill over into one's personal life.

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Edwards dropped out a long time ago and Obama's not gonna pick him. CASE CLOSED.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 12, 2008 7:04 AM   
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This info/sex-TAINTment shit never stops does it? And then America wonders why it's both a laughing stock and hated very much. And it's no wonder that

GOD IS SEVERELY PUNISHING AMERICA TO ETERNAL DAMNATION WHILE THE VOTERS ARE ONCE AGAIN FALLING INTO THE DYSFUNCTIONALITY COMPLEX OF OBSESSING OVER FRIVOLOUS ISSUES ALL THE WHILE IGNORING THE REAL ISSUES !!

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Feet of Clay Blues
Posted by: hopesprings on Aug 12, 2008 7:05 AM   
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As another former Edwards supporter crushed by his feet of clay, I applaud you on your cogent and insightful article. I agree, yes, we should have empathy for someone who self-destructs in such a public fashion. As a fellow flawed human being, it's easy for me to see how a psuedo-spiritual, blindly adoring fan could be a welcome distraction from the pressures of campaign, public life, and the looming loss of one's life partner. (It strikes me as interesting that so many of our democratic "leading men" seem to fall for totally inappropriate partners - losers, really - as if they were teenagers in the thrall of the fact that someone - anyone - actually "wanted" them).

But the very same lack of self-knowledge that drives such men as Edwards to this kind of moral betrayal is what worries me more. Why is it so much to ask that those who ask for millions of our hard-earned dollars (and I gave him a lot of mine) and demand our loyalty and trust have a little insight into their own minds and lives? We live in an age where therapy and the tools for self-knowledge are plentiful. Are we doomed to be led by dry drunks like George Bush or stubbornly self-denying cheaters like Bill C or John Edwards? I ask no more of our leaders than I do of my closest friends and partners - take the plunge and "know thyself."

One last heartbreak over the Edwards situation - it seems he has given the ditch to his anti-poverty foundation (to which so many of us donated money) along with his mistress and his reputation. To me, it's the ultimate betrayal that his drive to end poverty in America was more a tool of his ambition and ego than his true passion for justice.

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Edwards is a phony but it's none of our business
Posted by: nfamous on Aug 12, 2008 7:10 AM   
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When are the American people and the media going to get a life and stay out of people's personal affairs? Just because someone is famous doesn't mean we have the right to peer into every crevice of their personal lives. The same thing happens with Hollywood and this rampant infotainment culture that distracts people from real pertinent issues. I know it won't stop because it benefits the elite to keep the people uninformed, dumbed-down, hopeless and hooked on religion.

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot? How many of us would like our business out there like this? Americans are a selfish bunch. We never look at things from the perspective of others and it will be and is being our downfall. We should've forced Congress to throw the entire Bush administration in jail and yet still they illegally sit in the White House while we worry about Edwards' penis going inside a woman he wasn't married to.

Sooner or later this marriage nonsense has to end. Men are not monogamous creatures. Most women are not either. We have been socialized to believe such nonsense. Hardly anyone wants to have sex with the same person for the rest of their lives. It's boring. Marriage is an outdated man-made institution. It has no relevance to modern life. The only people that want to get married are public officials who want to appear stable so they get reelected and people who are terrified at the thought of being along when they get old and die. Either way we are all alone when we die so may as well drop the ruse and have some fun while you still can. This country is just about over.

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It takes two ......
Posted by: loneswaneast on Aug 12, 2008 7:16 AM   
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I am perplexed at how the philandering male in these scenarios is always blamed. How about the home wrecking female who lures them into her lair? Should she not be blamed?
These women apparently do not see beyond their own wants, do not see the invisible wives and children affected by such selfishness. In some respect it is theft, plain and simple.
Studies have shown that infatuation is a form of insanity and those afflicted do not act rationally. I know. I'm a woman who occasionally meets a man I would take as a lover, but I don't - mostly due to emotional laziness. I know the damage that could result, not only in my nest, but in his.
We do not live in simian worlds, where the alpha male can spread his seed wherever he pleases, nor can females get away with trying to mate with him. There is a reason for this that has nothing to do with commands from God or religious dogma. It simply makes sense,and is part of being a caring human being.

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» RE: It takes two ...... Posted by: cmaciain
The author
Posted by: rg on Aug 12, 2008 7:57 AM   
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is thinking with his wiener; no wonder therapy is a multi-billion dollar industry.

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this is unusual
Posted by: carrotwax on Aug 12, 2008 8:01 AM   
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What is unusual is that he got caught. Pure and simple.

In our society, a very high percentage of both men and women have cheated on their marriage. I'd imagine that the percentage for politicians is higher, given the isolation from home and the public pressure.

He's human, folks. That's all. This is not a story. We condemn others only for what we condemn in ourselves - and it has to be there too.

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falling for conservative framing - again!
Posted by: WolfieSense on Aug 12, 2008 8:13 AM   
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why the big stink? the real hypocrites are conservatives, who preach chastity, fidelity and abstinence!

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the Edwards children
Posted by: patw on Aug 12, 2008 8:35 AM   
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Jack Edwards is eight years old. Emma Claire Edwards is ten.
They were pulled out of school as props for a national campaign.
Their mother is dying. Their father has betrayed their family and exposed them to further public scrutiny. He lied. They can't trust him. They may have a step sister.

What adult can provide permanence and stability to them now, and in coming years?
Surely even a therapist can see that.

This article makes psychotherapy look bad, and you don't have to be a conservative to feel that way.
I can't get back the hundreds we donated to Edwards. That's gone. And I don't have time to be angry at him.
But don't write this junk, ignoring the effect on the children, and expect it to fly.

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» RE: the Edwards children Posted by: Intellect
Why "We" Should Stop Demonizing John Edwards?
Posted by: war_on_tara on Aug 12, 2008 8:44 AM   
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I wasn't aware that "we" are doing that.

The royal AlterNet "we" is getting to be about as irritating as Queen Victoria's.

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I agree about stopping the personal attacks on Edwards.
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 12, 2008 9:50 AM   
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Instead, because his exposed infidelity opened the door for assaults on a candidate's personal life, we should hang Unfit McCain's sorry womanizing ass for cheating on his first wife.

Let the lynching begin!


*Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter.
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*For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors to give context to this comment.

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What a crock!
Posted by: ellenbrown on Aug 12, 2008 10:00 AM   
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The issue which concerns us is not the reasons why John Edwards cheated on his wife. People cheat for myraid reasons. The issue is that he BALD FACED LIED when confronted with it and that makes him a lesser person and one not worthy of the highest position in the land. Additionally, cheating on Elizabeth at the lowest point in her life makes him even lower than the low.
Count me among the grateful that this man did not get the Democratic nomination or it would have spelled the end of the party--not that that's not still a possibility.

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» RE: What a crock! Posted by: jareilly
Throwing Stones
Posted by: johnyradio on Aug 12, 2008 10:17 AM   
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As the author states, when we demonize others, we are "projecting our own feelings of guilt, outrage, and victimization" -- in other words, people point fingers at public figures to cover their own guilty asses, or to express resentments about their own loved ones who've done them wrong, or because they've been brainwashed by religious and political hypocrisy. Brave people look in the mirror, and people are not that brave.

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Manipulating and emotionally imprisoning men
Posted by: form5166 on Aug 12, 2008 10:39 AM   
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is a very lucrative and quite necessary tool that females use to keep the power balance tilted in their favor. Even when we are no longer interested in them at all, we still need the money that we will get either by maintaining the relationship (if we can still stand him at all) or driving him to commit offenses aganist us that will enable us to still have access to most of his resources for as long as possible, while not having to put up with him at all. (The Best!!) The financial deck is stacked aganist women from day one, so this is only fair.

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Kinda stupid
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Aug 12, 2008 11:32 AM   
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What gets me most about this lurid tale is that apparently, the would-be commander in chief was not smart enough to use birth control.

WTF????

You want to be the leader of the free world and you do not know enough to put your raincoat on when entering the wet zone?

OK, he's a creep for cheating on a wonderful, dying wife. He's a loser for running for prez knowing full well that this could blow up in his face and ruin it for all of us.

He's a horny, selfish, fraud. No doubt about that.

HOWEVER, the fact that he (probably) had a baby with this woman means he is a damn moron.

I hate morons. Especially morons who want to run the country. Go away and take your penis with you.


Of course the media coverage is absurd. But what the heck, it's more entertaining for the masses than One Life to Live and they can watch and feel good about themselves since they are watching the NEWS, something "educational."

A CONVERSATION ACROSS AMERICAN TV-LAND.
"Don't waste your time on that fool soap opera!"
"I'm not Mamma, I'm watching the NEWS."
"Oh, you're too smart for me!"

Sex scandals ALWAYS make for good ratings on the boob tube. And they're easy as heck to cover because there are no intellectually challenging concepts like understanding the nature of the Justice Dept. The news folks will eat this up like a hog slurping corn.

Just for fun, I did a video comparing the Bill Clinton impeachment to the crimes of W. and Cheney. It's pretty damn funny if I do say so myself. (How crass of me, laughing at my own jokes.)

BLOW JOBS FOR ALL is the title.

My You Tube channel is called Whoopteedoo and I've got about 8 or 10 videos up.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Whoopteedoo

If you have some time to waste, go get a chuckle and leave me a nasty comment!

Luv,
Granny

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» RE: Kinda stupid Posted by: rinthy
The Hypocritical Reaction About Edwards Is Ridiculous. Around 50% of US Married People Have Affairs
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 12, 2008 12:17 PM   
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That makes his behaviour statistically normal. Well over 50% of the people I know have had affairs, broken relationships, divorces. I estimate that less than 25% have had long term stable relationships. It's probably true that most of the people I meet are much more socially active than the norm.

But even taking that into account, take any individual in Western society who knows 10 couples of Edwards age. How many of those 20 people will have had just one sexual partner?

Now the "conventional" view is that there is no sex before marriage - and marriage lasts a lifetime with no betrayal.

But the conventional view is obviously a minority one.

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

And I have been completely faithful to my wife since I met her in 1981 and intend to be so for the rest of my life.

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RE: If it was Mitt Romney.....
Posted by: CatDad on Aug 12, 2008 3:36 PM   
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Now we're supposed to give him a free pass because he's "human"? Give me a break.
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We've given Bush a free pass for gutting constitutional rights, gutting the economy to enrich his crony friends/contributors (the actual list would be too long so I'll stop there).
Speaking of Slick Mitt...funny how the alleged "liberal" media never made an issue of his $2,000 make-up "consulting" bill.
I would not agree on the "pimping" of his wife's illness for personal gain...it could have been her decision to campaign for him.....Speaking of "pimping" a tragedy....check out this YouTube video for Bush's pimping of 9-11 to win in 2004

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RE: If it was Mitt Romney.....
Posted by: cmaciain on Aug 12, 2008 3:44 PM   
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I agree 100% , pfeifer999. It's not the affair so much as the hypocrisy. Like Larry Craig or the senator from down South caught with a hooker. Edwards is cut from the same cloth.

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» RE: If it was Mitt Romney..... Posted by: boing007
Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Aug 12, 2008 1:20 PM   
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The public and media need to butt the hell out of Edwards' personal life unless they want to start asking McCain about his affair. This thing was over and done with before any of us ever heard about it and If the Edwards' have dealt with it then that should be it. We have several people in Congress still serving with this black spot on their careers and their party still loves them. Vitter and McCain to name just two. The Republicans and right wing pundits just lather up over this kind of crap. They have been running stories 24/7 since it came out. They don't want anyone paying attention to the fact that with our help, Georgia attacked two independant Russian nation states or whatever they are. We put the Georgian president in power and now we are trying to start a war with Russia, the only other nuclear power in the world but our dear 1st Amendment protected press is spoon feeding us this bull instead of doing it's job. Edwards is not running for office. He dropped out of the race months ago and has been living his life. His wife and he have dealt with this and our media and the public need to just butt the hell out and start worrying about the nuclear holocaust our team of Bush/Cheney is trying to unleash on us. None of us will survive to worry about Edwards or anyone else.

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Sexless City
Posted by: maxsmart on Aug 12, 2008 2:06 PM   
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When will people stop giving the tortured excuses and platitudes and tell the truth. I'd much rather have someone who is able to have sex in office than some who is not. But if you think sex is just about morality and careful consideration of all your supporters and never a real emotion then be shocked if you want. To be honest, religious forces have taken sex prisoner long ago and torture has taken it's place as the emotional refuge of our country. Religion and it's petty morality has insinuated itself into our laws and everyday lief to the extent that no one even notices it. Then sex is marketed back to us in measured doses that we have to be very careful to buy in only the right places. John Edwards, if your political career is going to be over why not go being honest and the same for the NY Governor. Don't give them so much power to define your downfall, stand up for humanity and human emotion and the force that keep life going. Don't just fade out like Gary Hart and others, go down protesting the hysterical sex fear mongerers and the reporter and tabloids that fund it. You know as well as me these tabloids are selling because they are lots of people's substitute for sex and that is the real scandal in this country.

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A few points
Posted by: willymack on Aug 12, 2008 2:25 PM   
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Ok, they've all been made before, but I'm going to say them anyway.
1. What kind of scandal gets a people with mediocre morals but high moral outrage all in a snit? Why a SEX scandal, of course. We're so godddmmed backward here, that we STILL consider sex naughty. No wonder the French laugh at us.
2. We really have more pressing matters to attend to, like the theft of our country by homicidal maniacs, for instance.
3. As stated several times before, this is NONE OF OUR DAMN BUSINESS.
4. Despite what some people think about Edwards' perceived lack of morals, he's still a superb lawyer,and would make a great Attorney General.
5. Don't think for a minute the rethugs aren't aware of #4, and well aware of the threat Edwards poses to them, especially if Obama decides to after the bushies for multiple capital crimes with Edwards as A.G.
6. Isn't it peculiar that something that happened two years ago suddenly comes to light NOW? Turdblossom's work, probably.

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John and Elizabeth Edwards lied to us and stole our money
Posted by: lindat on Aug 12, 2008 2:53 PM   
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These two egomaniacs decided that they would keep this fatal secret away from us when they knew damn right well it would blow up.

The sad thing is, Edwards was Obama's little attack dog against Hillary and he took votes from her in Iowa when this selfish bastard should NEVER have been in the race to be our Democratic candidate.

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Thank You!
Posted by: fawnskin on Aug 12, 2008 4:03 PM   
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Thanks so much for this article. I've been feeling betrayed and outraged, making this whole situation about me and my emotions. This thoughtful article really centered me again.

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stormy7
Posted by: STORMY78 on Aug 12, 2008 4:44 PM   
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BASICALLY ALL MEN ARE PIGS. THEY RAPE,MURDER BEAT WOMEN AND START EVERY WAR.
IF I WERE THE QUEEN OF THE WORLD, I WOULD HAVE ALL STRAIGHT MEN NEUTERED.

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» RE: stormy7 Posted by: boing007
» RE: stormy7 Posted by: willymack
who has bush screwed?
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Aug 12, 2008 5:55 PM   
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aside from an entire nation, nah, an entire PLANET, i wonder who else bush has screwed?

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» RE: who has bush screwed? Posted by: willymack
Talk about your Hillary catharthis..this one is a "Geek" Tragedy
Posted by: hrayovac2 on Aug 12, 2008 9:19 PM   
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The whining about Edwards is pronounced. It is the way people behave when they are taken in, then humiliated..it's human nature to justify after you've been rooked. You folks who bought the whole son-of-mill-worker theme were looking only for good looks, that tidy way he wove in the faux "caring for the little guy." Edwards is a lawyer at heart, making his case for a client (you) he doesn't believe in. And people, you didn't look very closely at his voting record. Russ Feingold publicly declined to support Edwards for that very reason. You overlooked it because you wanted to believe in someone. Only the Lord knows why, when you practically have the incarnation of RFK and MLK wrapped up in a young, capable, honest and vibrant Obama. We are so lucky to have one excellent candidate. Many of us don't even deserve one for so foolishly suporting either Edwards or Hillary with such irrationality and disregard for our future.

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Cherubim
Posted by: Cherubim on Aug 13, 2008 4:30 PM   
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Unlike, John McCain, John Edwards, is incredibly good looking. Have you noticed that when the female reporters report on this story they have a smile on thier lips and a twinkle in their eyes? (To be fair, so do some of the men reporters)
I think people hate John Edwards more for
for his good looks than his infidelity.

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Thank you, Michael Bader
Posted by: mim on Aug 13, 2008 9:37 PM   
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And now, for all you progressives who continue to moralize without mercy:

FDR not only cheated on Eleanor, but he continued his affair even after he claimed to have broken it off. So how many of you REALLY believe that, because of FDR's adultery and his lies about it, the nation would have been better off without the New Deal?

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It's no surprise this article is written by a man.
Posted by: Pamela65 on Aug 14, 2008 9:53 AM   
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Do I demonize John Edwards? No. Do I think he made a mistake? No. Catastrophic events like this are not a mistake. They are a series of choices where he put his selfish needs above his wife and his children. He has hurt them deeply and humiliated them in the public eye. I know the pain his wife is going through only I am alloted privacy in being able to deal with it. I don't understand how someone can be so duplicitous. If he cared about his wife at all, he would have set her free to be with someone else while he was with this woman. He is a typical cake eater. He wanted both, the excitement of his whore and the security blanket that his wife provided. I don't believe the author of this article when he says John Edwards loves his wife and his children. John Edwards is clearly a narcissist who loves himself. He is not a stupid man. He knew that Bill Clinton's affair was publicized and knew that it was probable that his would be as well. To have an affair knowing that it will probably end up publicly humiliating your wife and family is clearly a narcissistic trait. Narcissists don't love their wives and children, they don't even love their whores. They love themselves. I'd be willing to bet the author of this article is a cheater. My thoughts and prayers go out to Elizabeth. Bless her heart. She is dealing with having cancer, the prospect that she may leave her children motherless, and publicly humiliated by her philandering husband, and the possibility of explaining to her children about their new step brother or sister. I can only imagine how awful she must feel. What a f*****g mess!

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What really pisses me off
Posted by: cherylholmes on Aug 15, 2008 12:45 PM   
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are his lies, deceit, smugness, phony smiles, condescending attitude, smart aleck remarks, interview, cockiness. Politicians all lie and do the same thing regardless of what political party they're from or what they're caught in. It gets old, just TELL THE TRUTH from the go get...THAT we can deal with...

Yep, that's his kid too...he needs to be taking care of her...he may even leave Elizabeth for whatever the woman's name is today.

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Distraction
Posted by: zepher on Aug 17, 2008 8:45 AM   
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is what you call the media obsession with sex and murder. The way people can get away from such gosippy news presentations is to ignore them. Switch channels when they start blathering about somebody's escapades as news. Think about the important issues corp media is not talking about. Like soldiers who have been killed in Iraq/Afghanistan conflict, civilians killed and refugees, the destruction of infrastructure in Iraq and lack of repair (electricity, hospitals, sewage systems, water supply, etc). Distraction.

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Women better at hiding affairs
Posted by: nfamous on Aug 21, 2008 4:30 PM   
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No one is giving Edwards credit for coming forth and telling the truth. Women almost never do that. Most of them carry their indiscretions to the grave never feeling an ounce of guilt. This whole thing has been like Eliot Spitzer Part Deux. I would still vote for Edwards because all politicians lie. Obama lies. Bush lies. McCain lies. Clinton lies. They all lie. I still believe Edwards wants to do the right thing for lower income families in this country and that has little to do with his private philandering. On top of that it's no more our business because he's a public figure than if he wasn't.

Men are not naturally monogamous creatures so marriage was doomed from its inception. Women are being socialized to be equals with men so female cheating was bound to eventually equate with men. The only thing that kept marriage together for as long as it did was the stigma of not being married or getting divorced on religious grounds. Even women these days don't want the same partner for a lifetime. It just gets boring and people like variety and experimentation.

And who cares if people feel betrayed? Maybe John felt betrayed by her emotionally. People just want to make Edwards the typical bad guy who can't control his penis because he's good looking and because his wife has cancer and that somehow makes his transgression worse. Well it doesn't make it worse. It makes it the same as the cheating that happens every day in our lives and never gets reported on CNN. For a Christian nation we sure are a judgmental bunch.

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Looking up to Clinton
Posted by: nfamous on Aug 21, 2008 4:37 PM   
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Many of the people from NC hated Edwards when he was our Senator because this is a red state and he's a Democrat. They hated him for 400 dollar haircuts and they hated him for kissing Bill Clinton's butt. Now it appears they have more in common than perhaps Edwards even wanted. This hypocritical response from a nation of emotional and sexual cheaters is astounding. The nerve of us to judge this man who is just a man. Americans are always projecting their emotional garbage onto others as if that will make their own pain go away. I hope Edwards and his wife work through this and find new intimacy with each other that they have never known before.

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