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Why You Want a Progressive to Be Running the Economy

By Joseph Stiglitz, The Guardian. Posted August 11, 2008.


Unlike the GOP, progressives have a coherent economic agenda offering not only higher growth, but also social justice.
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Both the left and the right say they stand for economic growth. So should voters trying to decide between the two simply look at it as a matter of choosing alternative management teams?

If only matters were so easy! Part of the problem concerns the role of luck. America's economy was blessed in the 1990s with low energy prices, a high pace of innovation, and a China increasingly offering high-quality goods at decreasing prices, all of which combined to produce low inflation and rapid growth.

President Clinton and then-chairman of the US Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, deserve little credit for this--though, to be sure, bad policies could have messed things up. By contrast, the problems faced today --high energy and food prices and a crumbling financial system --have, to a large extent, been brought about by bad policies.

There are, indeed, big differences in growth strategies, which make different outcomes highly likely. The first difference concerns how growth itself is conceived. Growth is not just a matter of increasing GDP. It must be sustainable: growth based on environmental degradation, a debt-financed consumption binge, or the exploitation of scarce natural resources, without reinvesting the proceeds, is not sustainable.

Growth also must be inclusive; at least a majority of citizens must benefit. Trickle-down economics does not work: an increase in GDP can actually leave most citizens worse off. America's recent growth was neither economically sustainable nor inclusive. Most Americans are worse off today than they were seven years ago.

But there need not be a trade-off between inequality and growth. Governments can enhance growth by increasing inclusiveness. A country's most valuable resource is its people. So it is essential to ensure that everyone can live up to their potential, which requires educational opportunities for all.

A modern economy also requires risk-taking. Individuals are more willing to take risks if there is a good safety net. If not, citizens may demand protection from foreign competition. Social protection is more efficient than protectionism.

Failures to promote social solidarity can have other costs, not the least of which are the social and private expenditures required to protect property and incarcerate criminals. It is estimated that within a few years, America will have more people working in the security business than in education. A year in prison can cost more than a year at Harvard. The cost of incarcerating two million Americans -- one of the highest per capita rates (pdf) in the world -- should be viewed as a subtraction from GDP, yet it is added on.

A second major difference between left and right concerns the role of the state in promoting development. The left understands that the government's role in providing infrastructure and education, developing technology, and even acting as an entrepreneur is vital. Government laid the foundations of the internet and the modern biotechnology revolutions. In the 19th century, research at America's government-supported universities provided the basis for the agricultural revolution. Government then brought these advances to millions of American farmers. Small business loans have been pivotal in creating not only new businesses, but whole new industries.


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What Does this have to do with Obama or McCain?
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 11, 2008 12:14 AM   
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Neither candidate is a progressive and it will be one of those two running this country next January. Don't get me wrong, I admire Stiglitz and think he is the most intelligent and honest economist now on the stage.

Stiglitz is correct, we do need a Progressive to run the economy but that's not what will happen. Obama's got his Chicago Boys and is courting Wall Street while McCain's economic team is even worse, if that's possible.

Has either candidate mentioned new regulations for the banks in what is to be the biggest taxpayer ripoff in history? ... NO

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Why you want somebody with economic constipation
Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 11, 2008 12:25 AM   
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We have had bubble after bubble as a direct result of so-called progressive stoking and stimulating by the government. What is needed in fact is an economic programme that gets back to real basics. Here it is:

1) No more bubbles
2) A focus on infrastructure
3) Create real wealth - no more debt-based economy
4) Focus on saving
5) No more wasting money on progressive pet causes and instead a focus on good values and character as the true stabilising social forces

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» Excellent points Posted by: Bobsays
» RE: xcellent points Posted by: Crazy H
» RE: Not exactly. Posted by: Cybershaman
Growth is not progressive
Posted by: socialpsych on Aug 11, 2008 3:31 AM   
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"A country's most valuable resource is its people."

More Soylent Green, anyone?

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» RE: Growth is not progressive Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: Growth is not progressive Posted by: socialpsych
why not be regressive? think of all the things we could do without...
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 11, 2008 4:59 AM   
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corporations, manufacturing of non-essential goods, oil and mineral extraction, financial and legal "services" (including insurance and mortgages), wage slavery, most cosmetic surgery, advertising and marketing, profit-making prisons, professional sports and the rest of the enterainment industry, not forgetting the real "sport of kings", war.

What would be good about this? Peace and quiet, clean air, time to grow vegetables and raise children, an end to economic migration. We could return to life as lived by our grandparents, though with more knowledge and access to it through the internet. All material possessions--from tin cans to tiaras--would instantly become more valuable. Without a need for money, those who were willing to work could name their price.

The downside would be ghost cities with miles of empty office buildings testifying to man's mad lust for empire.

How could it be brought about? By giving everyone secure ownership of their primary residence and free access to necessities. We have lots of workable models, including the New England town meeting.

The rich (who are rich because of legalized theft) don't have to work for a living, so why should the majority have to work to further enrich them? Most people could and would make a superior contribution to the world by not working for corporations.

"The commonist things," wrote Robert Morris, the financier of the American Revolution, "become intricate when money has anything to do with them."

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» Not A Good Thing Posted by: edgar1
» RE: Not A Good Thing Posted by: Dboy
why everything or nothing
Posted by: richholland on Aug 11, 2008 5:35 AM   
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why not look at the system in Scandinavia and other westeuropean countries????

limit the american work week till 35 houres, maintain a good public transport

have good and cheap ;
health care
education
housing programma
and
diminish the militairy

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» Things Have Changed Posted by: edgar1
» RE: why everything or nothing Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: why everything or nothing Posted by: john mont
Inclusiveness by Education
Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 11, 2008 6:32 AM   
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The author states: "But there need not be a trade-off between inequality and growth. Governments can enhance growth by increasing inclusiveness. A country's most valuable resource is its people. So it is essential to ensure that everyone can live up to their potential, which requires educational opportunities for all."

Who can argue with this?

The problem is that we don't know how to educate kids in a media-driven, non-print environment, especially a multicultural environment where traditions are not passed from generation to generation, thus providing at least a common base of knowledge.

We no doubt need to pour the billions we pour into education. Whether we need more is unknown. Until we know what we want to teach and how, given the kids we have and the homes and environments they come from(and I do not speak only of the poor or recentlyarrived Americans), it would be a careless waste of resources to spend more on the same. National assessments that allow us to compare American student achievements with other nations show us to be failing to provide our kids with rudimentary knowledge in science, math and even our own history and culture, let alone world culture. Many, not all, of our teachers are themselves poorly educated compared with teachers of several generations ago, including science teachers, despite advances in science and technology.

I await, with little hope, the plans of either Mr. Obama or Mr. McCain to make the tough and unpopular choice to radically reform our education system and THEN determine the cost of reform, and whether it should be primarily carried forth by states, as it is now, by the Feds, or by some new, perhaps nonprofit foundation. This indepth critical thinking about education is way off the screen of the unions, the school boards, the bureaucrats in Washington, and in the Congress dominated by lobbyists for the above mentioned special interests.

The purpose of national education is not to make kids good about themselves. It is to advance the goals and civilization that define a nation. IF done well, people will feel good about themselves. But without an underlying strong structure of community with common values and strong families, respect for the idea of education and for those who teach, all the billions in computers, media and East Scythian History Month will be for naught.

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» RE: Inclusiveness by Education Posted by: VZEQICVA
Right about corporatism, but wrong on growth
Posted by: Growthbuster on Aug 11, 2008 6:41 AM   
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Mr. Stiglitz certainly got it right about the current administration serving the corporate agenda, but he is way off the mark in suggesting our goal should be continued economic growth. "Sustainable growth," I'm afraid, is an oxymoron. In an era when we simply must end biodiversity loss, minimize human-induced climate change, and meet the basic needs of nearly 7 billion people (and climbing), all on a planet that is buckling under the load, a stable economy must be our goal.

Dave Gardner
Producer/Director
Hooked on Growth: Our Misguided Quest for Prosperity
www.growthbusters.com

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Well? If you want progressives, you can start out by giving RALPH NADER a chance !
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 11, 2008 6:55 AM   
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Obama sold out and is nowhere close to being a progressive. To say that he's a progressive is to say that Mccain has family values which of course he does not.

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Joseph Stiglitz --
Posted by: Last Chance on Aug 11, 2008 7:22 AM   
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Why are you promoting economic growth? I say you will refuse to answer this question, or I will immediately expose you!

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» RE: Joseph Stiglitz -- Posted by: john mont
» RE: Joseph Stiglitz -- Posted by: Last Chance
If the so-called "progressives"
Posted by: Last Chance on Aug 11, 2008 7:56 AM   
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bottom line is economic growth, then we need a very different model for the future of humanity!

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Good work for good pay!
Posted by: LionHeart on Aug 11, 2008 8:27 AM   
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excellent article that hits the nail on the head. The people must benefit and share in the wealth of the nation. Work hard and get paid good. If we do not have that all will fail, as it is now.

I do not agree with the sentence at the beginning stating good quality goods from China? What world does the author live in. I went to buy a fishing pole the other day..most of them were made in China, the ones that were had a warning label on them.. caution contains lead, may be harmful! And we allowed that to be imported into this country?

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» RE: Good work for good pay! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Good work for good pay! Posted by: LionHeart
'Progress' instead of 'growth'
Posted by: amacd on Aug 11, 2008 8:28 AM   
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Although Stiglitz’s article is very insightful and accurately addresses the key fault of crony/Ponzi/negative externality capitalism, the article could be more accurately called “Turn Left for Progress” —- since anyone afflicted with obesity or cancer well understands that ‘growth’ is not the same as ‘progress’.

If the corporate controlled and corrupted MSM honestly talked about our US economy in terms of ‘progress’ rather than always screaming about the need for the word ‘growth’ the mindset of our entire society would be focused in the correct direction for everyone — rather than cowing before the alter of ‘growth’, which the ruling elite corporatist Empire keeps using as a false football that their ‘Lucy’ continues to pull away from our working-class ‘Charlie Browns’.

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Because.....
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 11, 2008 8:31 AM   
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They may actually have a better handle on what's need that the other guys do. That's why they are called progressive. I don't really trust folks that say they are progressive Dem or Repup,both those parties see that and say,
"Oh they're just one of us." it's the folks that just say 'We're Progressives." that I support and have hope in. We need serious change. What we have now is so corrupted they make the mafia look like the girl scouts. A better economy accessable by everyone,better environment,total healthcare,government accountability,we should have had this already. But we don't and the folks that want to see it are called Progressives,like that's a bad thing. The only bad thing I see is the abundance of elephants and donkeys and the only
thing they're good for is producing a lot of shit.
Write-in Jeffrey7 for Prez '08

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Do business with a co-op or a progressive
Posted by: PaulK on Aug 11, 2008 8:57 AM   
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If you want a progressive to be running the economy, let her/him/them help to run your economy.

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Another Kool-Aide Drinking Economist trying to sell us CRAP
Posted by: blueapples26 on Aug 11, 2008 9:10 AM   
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Here is a novel idea.. Leave the cystem all together and watch it crumble from a far. or maybe de-chater all fasci-corporations. This cystem is for the rich to get richer and they don't give a fuck about you and me. This is they way it has alway been and the way it will always be unless we say nope , nada, no mas.. Just imagine if we all said no mas. The cystem will fail. btw how is your wage slave job, work, or studies coming along. We let these fuckers tell us what to think, fuck them and their beliefs. Turn off the mind-kontrol box and do something with your lives.

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No Sympathy
Posted by: Southern Gal on Aug 11, 2008 9:59 AM   
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There doesn't seem to be much sympathy from our corporate controlled government for the common people of this country. We have been labeled a nation of "whiners". The corporations have access to China and India who provide huge markets for goods and labor for corporations. The prisons will provide even more labor for corporations and soldiers for the military. People in this country need to understand that they are going to have to be able to take care of themselves and their families. The corporations control McCain and Obama, and the Congress and maintain influence on the Supreme Court. All of the advantages including the military are in the hands of people that want more and more money and power and don't give a damn about the rest of us.

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Very first sentence is a LIE!!!
Posted by: Alan8 on Aug 11, 2008 10:06 AM   
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Both the left and the right say they stand for economic growth. So should voters trying to decide between the two simply look at it as a matter of choosing alternative management teams?

LIAR!! The Democrats are NOT THE LEFT!

1. They oppose a single-payer health care system.

2. They voted for the war.

3. They enabled the fascist in the White House to stay in power.

4. They helped the Republicans overturn the Constitution.

5. They saddled working people with NAFTA and the WTO.

6. They maintained laws (like Taft-Hartley) that prevent the formation of unions.

7. They allowed media consolidation, which told us Iraq was planning a nuclear attack on the US.

8. They maintain laws that inhibit non-corporate-funded parties.

9. They voted for fascist judges on the Supreme Court.

10. They allowed the government to spy on us, and set a precedent that telecom companies that illegally did this weren't charged with anything.

11. They allowed our government to torture.

These are all right-wing positions. The Democrats are in no way "leftists", you goddamn liar!!

For a real leftist party, see www.gp.org.

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» You nailed it! Posted by: GuitarBill
» You're kidding, right? Posted by: GuitarBill
Yes, we really do have a choice.
Posted by: yestosafetynet on Aug 11, 2008 10:11 AM   
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Professor Stiglitz is absolutely right about the great need for a progressive in the White House. FDR saved American capitalism by building regulatory systems that have helped keep our economy far fairer and less self-destructive than in the past, when unregulated capitalism choked off competition and brought about a total melt down of our entire economy in 1929. He provided exceedingly useful work creating infrastructure including many important buildings on university campuses and elsewhere. Putting wages into men's and women's pockets enabled their hungry families to buy simple foods and enabled farmers to grow grain and feed chickens, thus producing more food for sale to Americans who needed it. Bush's program of making super rich people even more rich (which McCain has promised to continue) has not led to investment and more jobs in the USA. It has built factories in Asia and exported the jobs needed to run them, thereby sealing the doom of millions of American families. Roosevelt just may have prevented the first true communist revolution, i.e. by the workers in an industrialized economy with monopoly capitalism which had destroyed competition, built a mountain of unrepayable debt, and fostered the multiplication of unregulated banks which continued eating each other, and their customers, alive). But more work is still needed to repair the cumulative damage of decades of Reaganomics. The sub-prime catastrophe could not have happened in an economy managed by progressives who knew that home mortgages simply aren't to be treated like intangible shares of invisible future continencies (as Wall Street has done under Republican deregulation). My home is my only castle; keep your gosh darn speculating mitts off!
For sure, Obama will appoint highly intelligent leaders whose economic savy is both advanced and up to date, and he will accept and apply their sound ideas (just as John Kennedy did). To ask John McCain to appoint people who can keep our economic engine on the tracks would be like asking a blind man to judge a beauty contest. He would not have a clue. Our economy is still the biggest and most complicated economy in the world. Save us from the economic bungling of father figures with absolutely no understanding of it.
Timothy Ray

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Vote for the young
Posted by: luzmejor on Aug 11, 2008 10:30 AM   
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They are citizens of the 21st Century and are familiar with it.

They know what the problems are and are willing to change and improve, unlike the old folks who are always mourning the loss of the last half of the past century, while they fight furiously to keep doing things the same old ways that no longer work.

Remember that at least one of our candidates admits he doesn't know how to change and doesn't intend to even try. He's too rich to care and can hire more intelligent"underlings" to do the job, while he and the Washington gang takes the credit for it.

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It's up to us.....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 11, 2008 10:44 AM   
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This article makes some good points, but will they be listened to by the American people. Over the last 30 years, the American populace has been duped into believing that "rugged individualistic, get the government off my back while the right is stealing the cookie jar" theory! Although the Congress has a Democratic majority, collectively they haven't shown the backbone or made a stand on these irrational fiscal programs that they continue to fund!

The next president whoever hit may be, is going to inherit a mess, the likes of which this country hasn't experienced since the great depression! John McCain has already admitted that he hasn't a clue about economic policy, as evidenced by his hiring of Phil Graham (Mr. De-regulation himself). So a McCain presidency will definitely be a continuation of Bush III! Sen. Obama on the other hand, I don't really know where he stands! Will he favor his conservative Chicago boys as people think he will, or does he really recognize that trickle down theory for the sham that it is?

In the end, will either candidate actually do what is best not for their individual party (& their corporate donors), but for the good of every state red or blue?

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has any US govt reversed the flow of assets from worker to the rich?
Posted by: billwald on Aug 11, 2008 12:26 PM   
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From 1776 the net flow of assets in the US has been from the working class to the rich class. Only the speed of the transfer changes.

As the country grew, the speed of the transfer increased. Why? Because each person mostly cares about his family and his neighborhood and in decreasing importance, his county, state, region . . . . About what do incumbents brag about? How much did they steal from the rest of the country for their district.

Who is more important to the people of Washington State? The poor people in Washington State or the poor people in Florida? Every time their is an interstate transfer of assets our owners and our rulers take a cut. from every theft and transfer. We are "free" because we vote for our tax collectors?

The only way to reverse the process . . . the only reason socialism has worked in some small countries is because they are small. I suggest dissolving the USA into 50 sovereign nations.

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Stiglitz polices destroyed Sweden, why make the same mistake?
Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist on Aug 11, 2008 1:50 PM   
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In the US we are now seeing the debate that Sweden had in the 1970’s. Should you have a Big Government, statist state or should you keep the system as it is but put into place legislative frameworks for the citizens to make their own choices within these frameworks?

I am extremely disturbed that the US seems to be going the way of Sweden in the 1970’s. It led to disaster both from the point of economic power and prosperity but also from the point of personal liberty.

Up until 1970 the political opposition in Sweden, mainly Folkpartiet, the Responsible Liberal Party, had been in fierce opposition to socializing polices.

However the SocialDemocrats change tactics and abandoned pure socialism to what Nobel Laureate and party leader Bertil Ohlin called "central directive and regulation socialism", in the US it is called Statism, the polices Stiglitz is promoting.

Because of 1968 all parties en Sweden became radicalized and the opposition stopped.

Sweden’s decline started, taxes were raised by 50 % overnight and the Public Sector tripled in size.

Sweden was in 1970 the world’s third strongest economy and we declined to the 17th, our welfare system could not be sustained any longer in the 90’s and small and medium sized business owners had been eradicated, Sweden has the fewest small and medium sized business owners in all of the developed countries.

Stiglitz policies exactly copies the disastrous polices of Sweden in the 70's. The growth rate decline from 6-8 5 to way under 4 %. The middle class became impoverished and the small business owner was eradicated. The welfare system is unsustainable.

Is this the way US should go?


Libertarian Paternalist a responsible classic liberal

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DEFENSE of the most ESTABLISHED interest OF ALL by BOTH "Left" and "Right"
Posted by: mike montagne on Aug 11, 2008 2:18 PM   
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There's so much your appeal doesn't answer for in pretending to answer what direction we should look for monetary rectitude.

You, and the right and the left, and even the purported "progressives" you promote however, stand opposed therefore to just for instance, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln who warned that the present form of "banking" system is the greatest possible threat to a republic.

How for instance can "economics" be a veritable science if it lacks even a principle which makes it "economic"? How can contemporary "economics" even serve the people if the one and one only form of currency that pseudo science will give scope to can only multiply debt in proportion to a circulation until we soon collapse under a terminal, insoluble sum of debt?

Can you or the "progressives" you promote even explain to us how any program but mathematically perfected economy™ can avert near term monetary catastrophe, if we must maintain a vital circulation to service the present sums of artificial debt, and if to maintain a circulation, we must re-borrow what interest and principal we are compelled to pay out of the general circulation, and if this perpetual process can only increase the previous sum of debt so much as periodic interest on debt?

You would be the first to prove usury is sustainable, if you could do so. But of course unless elementary math can be invalidated, you cannot.

The link (url) is too long to paste in here (limit of 60 characters), but for an example of one of your fellow "economist's" attempt to refute MPE see our pages at http://www.perfecteconomy.com/ for the article, "William B. Ryan Kent State University Capital Ownership Group Forum Ad Hominems Disprove Mathematically Perfected Economy™? Or Academia Inadvertently Validates Mathematically Perfected Economy™?"

If you're really interested in a science of "economy," there's plenty more for you to feast on. If not, shame on you.

m

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Hillary Proved Bill just another 'Slick Willy ' Neo Con in Blue
Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 11, 2008 2:34 PM   
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Since Hillary stepped into the seante I have reviewed my 2 time vote for Bill and my avid defense of them both for all those years.
Hindsight is 20/20 and Hillary smacked whatever Rose colored glasses i was still wearing in'00.
the Clintons perpetuated the same economic BS of 'Shit rolls down Hill'- but even more evident is that they (and Greespan) also intentional pushed shit into the future. Reason we had a surplus is because they spent nothing for citizens nor their needs nor the infrastructure. They allowed many of the same shit to go on in th efinancial markets as Reagan started and Bush pushed to it's limits.
There is .no doubt in my mind that the Clinton are nothing more than Neo Cons in Blue.
Hillary did more to reveal what Bill's real Faults were than any blow Job- he was a whore for the Corps too, he fucked US too!
Now they are putting up this facade to continue their treason by kneecapping Obama with THEIR corp Donors and advisors- Was it an Ultimatium- ue them (and be viewed a 'flip flopper) or reject them and have them working to defeat you too?Already misled a number of so called 'Feminists' and of course the same spoiler is in play to get the blind 'Left' to by into the 'typical politican' rhetoric. hell with her new Overt friendships with those who tried to Impeach Bill (which she probably already had working for her- revenge?),the Hillary machine is just as powerful as her Neo Con Cohorts.Dynamic Duo of politics- screw 'em All from both sides.
Hillary is still working for the nomination, if not his time than certainly in '12. she and McCain are horses out of the same stable- That's why he has already stated he would only serve one term- so their other confederate can take the 'win' in '12!
Hillary has been a bigger liability to Bill's Pres legacy than what's her name(s) were EVER!
Don't be deceived She is Dick (Cheney) in Drag!

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What about the defense budget?????
Posted by: Charley2u on Aug 11, 2008 8:09 PM   
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"A year in prison can cost more than a year at Harvard. The cost of incarcerating two million Americans -- one of the highest per capita rates (pdf) in the world -- should be viewed as a subtraction from GDP, yet it is added on."

But so is the defense budget, and "progressives" seem to have no problem counting that waste as GDP positive.

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Commondreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Aug 12, 2008 8:51 PM   
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Let's face it - no solution will be 100% acceptable to all. I think extremism in economic policy - of either bent, left or right - is a bad thing. We don't need any more proof than the times we are living in right now to see that.

I think a hybrid system will need to be in place...a re-balancing. Recognition that laissez faire policies are not protective enough of consumers and working citizens (because of course, laissez faire, trickle down, and free markets simply are not left to their own devices at all, but rather are controlled and manipulated by and for the powerful for their own enrichment). If it were not for capitalism inciting greed and lack of concern for one's fellow man, then perhaps in its purest form it might be workable. But capitalism presupposes that everyone has advantages, the playing field is reasonable - and that every person is reasonable, when of course this is simply not true.

We desperately need to reverse the great divide that has been engineered by the top between rich and poor. There is no reason to have the obscene salaries, stealing from workers to give to the wealthy (under the auspices of "enriching the talent"). This is ridiculous since apparently the "talent" isn't infallible - witness the disaster we have now and will have for years to come due to their indulgences and to the nanny state taking care of their every whim (tax cuts, corporate welfare, and so on). And worse, we as workers with depressed wages have to bail them out now - while they're on vacation somewhere at one of their million dollar homes...on a $30 million boat...whatever. This has got to stop.

The fact is, a business is not a charity and there is symbiosis in a reasonable scenario - consumers, workers and business heads need one another in an economy. However, all advantages have been given to the top and depression of wages has been given to the rest of us. You don't get something for nothing - but that's exactly what Wall Street has been seeking for years...stealing from the underpaid and lining their pockets, making disasters and expecting us to pay for them as they run off unscathed.

So yes, we need Glass-Steagall or some form of it and other regulations that stop this abuse. We need progressive taxation on investment, carried interest, and on income and perks. We need to make it very expensive for corporations to write off CEO salaries and perks (in fact I would say, impossible to write them off...so we can stop the gravy train right now). Populists are the only ones who understand the need for balance and for the nanny state. After all, why does government exist? Because people won't behave, humans are greedy and can be evil...if this were not true, then no need for tempering these traits. But only in utopia would such conditions exist. If man will not respect his fellow man enough to let him make a decent living (at whatever he does)...if he will not respect society enough to take responsibility for his failings in managing the market...then we need government to provide the stopgap - progressives have always known this, and it has never been more true than now, when we see that once again, the lack of oversight and the great income divide that lead to the Great Depression are not policies that should be continued at all. And only good government can stop the runaway train.

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