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Russia Begins Bombing Georgian Capital

By Kim Sengupta and Sean Walker, Independent UK. Posted August 11, 2008.


Georgia's appeal for a ceasefire seemed to have fallen on deaf ears on Sunday as Russian jets bombed Tbilisi for the first time.
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Georgia's appeal for a ceasefire seemed to have fallen on deaf ears last night as Russian jets expanded their bombardment, targeting the capital, Tbilisi, for the first time. As the world's diplomats hurried to contain the violence and prevent the conflict engulfing the wider Caucasus region, Russia made clear it no longer considered Georgia's President Mikheil Saakashvili a partner, prompting accusations from his main ally, the United States, that Moscow was resisting peace and wanted regime change.

Russia has made no secret of its dislike for Mr Saakashvili, his alliance with Washington, his attempts to join Nato and his oft-repeated pledges to bring two separatist provinces back under Tbilisi's control -- a pledge he tried to make good on Thursday by sending troops into South Ossetia.

Last night there was strong condemnation of the Georgian leader from the Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, who said: "A man who issued orders to commit war crimes which resulted in thousands of deaths of peaceful civilians cannot be viewed by Russia as a partner."

Underscoring the magnitude of the problem facing Georgia, Moscow-backed separatists in its other breakaway region, Abkhazia, declared they had opened a second front. Maxim Gunjia, the separatists' deputy foreign minister, said his tiny air force was bombing Georgian positions in the highly contested Kodori Gorge and that about 1,000 troops had also been deployed. "We have started operations because we saw the Georgian attack on South Ossetia and knew Abkhazia would be next," Mr Gunjia said from the Abkhaz capital, Sukhumi, a town of ramshackle beach bars, palm trees and buildings gutted in a 1992-93 war of independence against Tbilisi's forces.

Georgia announced yesterday that it had pulled its troops out of South Ossetia and Mr Saakashvili said his government had been trying "all day" to contact Russia to discuss a ceasefire. "Georgia expresses its readiness to immediately start negotiations with the Russian Federation on a ceasefire and termination of hostilities," a statement said.

But Russia said it was sceptical of the Georgian claims of a withdrawal. "We must check all that. We don't trust the Georgian side," said Russia's deputy foreign minister, Grigory Karasin. Moscow wants Georgia to rule out using force in future.

Georgia's ceasefire came on a day of claim and counterclaim, but a day when the military might of an angry Russian bear was on full display. As well as the bombing in and around the capital, including one explosion just metres from the main runway at Tbilisi international airport, there were also reports of explosions in the western town of Zugdidi, following on from attacks on the central town of Gori overnight.

Meanwhile dozens of Russian tanks and military vehicles headed for the two-mile Roki tunnel, which leads from Russian-held North Ossetia into the separatist South.

Russia's navy also entered the conflict, deploying a flotilla off Georgia's Black Sea coast. There were reports that they would mount a blockade, snuffing out supply lines for weapons, oil and wheat -- a charge denied by Moscow. Unconfirmed reports late last night said the Russian war ships had sunk a Georgian vessel.

In the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, the human suffering in the wake of the Georgian attack and Russian counter-attack was horrifyingly evident. Corpses were dotted about the city, burnt-out tanks littered the road, and every other building showed bomb or mortar damage, with many simply smouldering ruins. Where once 10,000 people had roamed, there was barely a soul. Many residents have fled across the border into North Ossetia, and those left were the walking wounded, some heavily bandaged, others limping along on crutches.

Russian television spoke of a "humanitarian catastrophe" in South Ossetia, with more than 2,000 people dead and thousands homeless. President Dmitry Medvedev -- who has largely taken a back seat to the Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin, who sped from Beijing to North Ossetia on Saturday -- termed the Georgian action a "genocide" and ordered officials to document the crimes.

A Georgian government source said 130 Georgian civilians and soldiers had been killed and 1,165 wounded, many by Russian bombing inside Georgia. Russia denied attacking civilian targets.

Tbilisi accused Moscow of shipping 4,000 soldiers to the port of Ochamchire in Abkhazia. Abkhaz officials insisted they were fighting on their own but warned that Russia could become involved. Amid reports of North Ossetians, Cossacks, Chechens and Dagestanis from around the Caucasus volunteering to fight in South Ossetia, Mr Gunjia said Georgia had sparked a "chain reaction" by attacking South Ossetia. "It's no longer possible to listen to Georgia talk about a peaceful solution in South Ossetia or Abkhazia, or offer us autonomy. Georgia has shown its real face."

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Georgia brought this on themselves
Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 11, 2008 12:21 AM   
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Why on earth did Georgia provoke Russia like this? The actions of Gerogia's madman leader Sakashvilli have now directly led to the deaths of thousands of civilians. Russian now has the duty as the regional power to finish the job and bring peace to all of Georgia. That means bringing Georgia back under the protectorate of Russia.

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» RE: Georgia brought this on themselves Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
» RE: It is not twisted logic!! Posted by: Thomas33333
» Looks alot like Hitler Posted by: Romans1
What to make of all this...
Posted by: Benjaminsjw on Aug 11, 2008 2:14 AM   
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It's events like this where I find it really hard to get a clear picture of what is going on.

I could of course just assume that what the western media is saying is more or less accurate. But on the other hand my wife, who is Russian/Latvian, "feeds" me with the Russian points of view.

It seems obvious that Russia, over the last decade, has placed the Ossetians under its protection by giving them Russian passports.
This in itself is of course a strange mode of conduct, as I know few countries who routinely give passports to civilians living in a different country.
(Russia is doing the same in Latvia, by the way, where many of the Russian minority, unable or unwilling to get Latvia citizenship, can easily get a Russian passport.)

I could understand this behaviour if Ossetians were facing harassment and discrimination by the Georgians, but I haven't heard anything to that effect. Does anybody know more about that?

But regardless, Georgia has the right to assert its territorial integrity, and Russia has violated this integrity.

Then again, so did NATO when they bombed Kosovo when that was still an integral, and internationally recognised, part of Serbia.
It's a confusing situation, and I am following the developments closely.

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» RE: emember cuban missile crisis Posted by: Benjaminsjw
» RE: of course not Posted by: andy
» RE: of course not Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: of course not Posted by: Quannah
» RE: of course not Posted by: Quannah
Truth dies first
Posted by: markwardt on Aug 11, 2008 3:27 AM   
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The first victim of a war is the truth. You can check different sources on the military actions - and get different answers. One thing remains: This war is fought in the context of access to central asia and its rich oil and gas resources.

The western counties have celebrated the independency of Kosovo as a triumph for democracy a few weeks ago, they cannot say "Olympic games" without metioning Tibet - now they support Georgia to suppress another widely unknown nation in the Caucasus region... When you follow the publications of
Zbigniew Brzezinski
you will find that politics uses "democracy" not as a value itself but as a means to enforce its interests. The peoples in Afghanistan and Iraq are as far from self-determination as the ones in Ossetia or Abkhazia. Or maybe Georgia.

However: The war has to be stopped in the name of civil victims. But not by NATO troops.


Ulf

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» RE: Truth dies first Posted by: Erin
Russia is bombing 'Russian capitol" ?
Posted by: F-Abdolian on Aug 11, 2008 4:31 AM   
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Come on Alternet, this is just sad. How on earth can you write this on your title?

This is so sad to read that you guys don't even read your own news before sending it to thousands of people.

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False Flag?
Posted by: johnjmccarthy on Aug 11, 2008 4:57 AM   
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US and Israeli advisors and trainers are STILL in South Essetia and just across the border in Georgia.

What great timing...olympics and all. Putin went home and Bush is still hugging the chior director in Beiging. His face carried the same expression in the stands of the Birds Nest in China that he had in the classroom in Florida when he got a whisper in his ear about the second plain hitting the WTC.

When Bush admitted seeing the first plane hit the WTC he offred that the plane was being flown by a lousey pilot..."being one himself".

Small problem....the French film crew who took the pix of the WTC first strike did not provide their film to the media until 9-12-01.
Case Closed

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» RE: False Flag? Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: False Flag? Posted by: aonghus36
Absurd
Posted by: Erin on Aug 11, 2008 6:22 AM   
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It is the height of absurdity when Bush has the audacity to chastise Putin over this. Bush, the guy who lied his way into an illegal and immoral war; thousands of troops killed and maimed; thousands of innocent civilians dead and maimed. I hope Putin laughed in his face.

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» RE: Absurd Posted by: Tombo
Neocon Kagan compares Russian aggression with the Nazi invasion of Czech republic
Posted by: PakiBoy on Aug 11, 2008 7:19 AM   
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Kagan, one of the main architects of US preemptive doctrine to maintain US hegemony through brutal force and total disregard of International law, has some balls to compare Russia with Nazi Germany in today's WashingtonPost:

"The details of who did what to precipitate Russia's war against Georgia are not very important. Do you recall the precise details of the Sudeten Crisis that led to Nazi Germany's invasion of Czechoslovakia? Of course not, because that morally ambiguous dispute is rightly remembered as a minor part of a much bigger drama."

This is while US, under neocon direction, is using covert terrorist activities to destabilize Iran, perpetrating war-crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and pushed Israel to attack Lebanon two summers ago and is not pushing Israel to attack Iran.

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Georgia has thrown away whatever chance she might have had of winning back...
Posted by: mjabele on Aug 11, 2008 7:52 AM   
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...these "breakaway" territories.

I’m an American, married to an ethnic Armenian born in Abkhazia whom I happened to meet there while doing some humanitarian medical work back in 2000-2001. I’ve traveled back to Abkhazia once (through Georgia) back in 2005, and my wife and two young children are currently visiting her parents in southern Abkhazia (Ochamchira) on what was supposed to be a peaceful summer vacation for them to meet their grandchildren. Obviously, I never expected a war to interrupt what was supposed to be a happy family reunion.

Despite my own US citizenship, I view the current Russian response to Georgia's actions as appropriate. Having lived in Abkhazia for a year, I can say with confidence that the majority of ordinary people living there - including my wife, who, as I mentioned, is not ethnically Abkhaz - actively oppose any attempt to reintegrate their territory back into Georgia, regardless of assurances of local "autonomy" from Georgian / Western diplomats. The only exception to this is the residual population of ethnic Georgians (Mingrelians, actually, for the most part), most of whom reside in the southern districts of Gali and Ochamchira close to the Georgian border - understandably, these folks have never accepted the de facto separation of Abkhazia from the Georgian state, and would like to see things revert to the way they were before the 1992-93 war.

I’m well aware of the large number of ethnically Georgian refugees who fled Abkhazia during the 1992-93 war, currently living in various towns in Georgia (Zugdidi, Tbilisi), who undoubtedly would also side with the remnant Georgian population still living in Abkhazia. No doubt a strong argument can be made that their views should also be respected, but the reality is that most of these refugees haven’t set foot in Abkhazia since 1992-93, and the younger generation - many of them children at the time of the civil war, or born after their parents’ expulsion - are increasingly oriented toward Georgian society at this point, with little if any memory of their parents’ home country.

Much of the antipathy of the non-Georgian population of Abkhazia toward Georgia stems from the events of the 1992-93 war, which was marked by atrocities, needless brutality, and instances of ethnic cleansing on both sides. The sorts of psychic wounds that result from such events are slow to heal, and in fact I doubt they'll ever resolve completely for those who were adults, or reaching adulthood, when they took place. Certainly they haven’t for my wife, who was only 14 at the time.

In my view, the best solution to this ongoing crisis would be one recognizing the de facto independence of Abkhazia (and Ossetia), while perhaps ensuring the return of those Georgian refugees who wish to move back, or some monetary compensation for those - quite possibly a majority at this point - who might instead opt to remain in Georgia. Such a solution would be difficult to work out in practice, no doubt, given that the property / homes of many of those Georgian refugees who fled have either been destroyed or occupied by the victors.

In the end, I’m guessing Abkhazia, and probably South Ossetia as well, will find their way by remaining under Russia’s wing - which is clearly what most of the people actually living in these territories want. Given that fact, I hope (and expect) the Russians will succeed in driving the Georgians out of these two regions - after which (hopefully) the Georgian government will recognize, whatever the ostensible "legalities" of the situation, that it won’t ever be possible to govern populations who simply don’t want, and at this late point never WILL want, to be part of the Georgian state. Then, perhaps negotiators will settle down to discuss justice for the Georgian refugees, which strikes me as the other great unresolved moral issue of these conflicts.

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Don't worry about Russia or China -----
Posted by: symcokid on Aug 11, 2008 8:39 AM   
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instead worry about what this USofA is doing with over a million troops stationed in 130 foreign countries or are you going to give me that, all we're doing is good in those places.

What about all the good that we did for the Native Indians in this their homeland, that was a humanitarian gesture in good faith I imagine!

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Response to EncinoM:
Posted by: mjabele on Aug 11, 2008 10:11 AM   
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I'll certainly agree that Russia has ulterior motives, provided that you agree that Georgian attempts to win back these territories by force have resulted in enormous amounts of unnecessary death and destruction, which have consequently eroded away whatever little chance of reconciliation might at some point have existed.

My wife was a girl of 14 when Georgian tanks rolled into her town, Ochamchira. Over the next year, she saw Georgian soldiers burn the homes of her Abkhaz neighbors, kill them like dogs in the street, and almost shoot her own father in a drunken rage triggered, by all things, the desire to take his coat (he's a proud man, and refused). For her own safety, her father ultimately placed her together with her mother and sister in a cattle car on a train fleeing the city, to travel as refugees to safety with her Armenian relatives in Yerevan. There, they spent a frigid winter in an unheated apartment without news of their father, whom they supposed to have been killed in the subsequent battle to liberate Ochamchira from Georgian control (he survived, fortunately).

My wife's family is Armenian - in other words, NEITHER Abkhaz nor Georgian, and therefore not really "party" to this particular ethnic conflict. Nevertheless, my wife can barely speak coherently when the topic of "re-integrating" Abkhazia back into Georgia is raised. Perhaps you should make an effort to put yourself in her shoes, and imagine how you would react to the sorts of experiences she actually lived through. Then, you might perhaps understand why lasting peace between the various sides is going to be so hard to achieve - and why the recent actions of the Georgian government were so completely, utterly, incomprehensibly counterproductive in terms of moving people toward reconciliation.

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It's just another criminal mob run amok.
Posted by: luzmejor on Aug 11, 2008 10:12 AM   
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This affair boils down to which criminal gang is going to rule over Russia and Georgia.

Americans are facing the same problems now. Our representatives are beholden to Corporations, which are composed of criminal leaders, and so they are ruling both of these "free" nations.

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I'll tell you how it was,,
Posted by: Rene Corda on Aug 11, 2008 10:33 AM   
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I caught every word from S. Ossetia 2 days ago,,, it was a HORROR,, those georgian murderers methodically annihilated Tshinval,, blogs were full of cries "HELP! THEY KILLING US!! RUSSIA, WERE ARE YOU? WHERE IS YOUR HELP? WE ARE RUSSIAN CITIZENS",,, well, I thought that russian government f*cked up again,,, BUT when russian tanks entered Tshinval and georgian cowards run away everybody rejoiced it!
As for "occupation" only US wants geogia to establish new military base there, Russia do not have any intention to "rule" this ugly state,, geogia is the defeated party, it lose 2 provinces and have no right for these territories,,, :))
To those who think that Russia is "aggressor", WAKE UP REDNECKS!!!! fix you brainwashed heads :))))

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» RE: I'll tell you how it was,, Posted by: cmaciain
ba
Posted by: mnstra on Aug 11, 2008 10:36 AM   
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look for the OIL

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» RE: ba Posted by: kimt78
» RE: ba Posted by: Rene Corda
Wth all this we're ignoring Miley's new video!
Posted by: arieden on Aug 11, 2008 10:57 AM   
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The ad for Miley Cyrus' latest video to the right of this article really highlights the absurdity of our civilization. Sadly, I don't think AlterNet did this on purpose.

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Heh,,,
Posted by: Rene Corda on Aug 11, 2008 11:00 AM   
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last news: linked text
Two Chechen batallions "Vostok" and "Zapad" were moved to S Ossetia,,,, poor georgian!!! NOW they have no chance to survive,,, :))

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» RE: Heh,,, Posted by: El Hombre Malo
Russian Citizens?
Posted by: BCcovers on Aug 11, 2008 11:18 AM   
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What actually happened as far as these "Russian Civilians" go is this:

Putin's government has begun to quietly (not secretly however) hand out Russian citizenships and passports to nationals of former Soviet Republics. This has happened in Latvia, Estonia, and, yes, South Ossetia. So now whenever there are problems in said places Russia now has the excuse to go into those countries to protect its newly-minted citizens. You see it's just another way for the Soviets (there is no other way to describe the former KGB agents running this war) to re-establish control over the caucases. Georgia recently applied for NATO membership and then Russia begins to mass troops near its border. Coincidence? Not Likely. All of these moves have been calculated by Putin right down to the lack-luster international response and the timing of this action synching up with the Olympics and the fact that half the western world takes holiday in August. The world is too disctracted to even notice or care.

One thing is for sure; the Soviet Union brought a total disregard of freedom, a climate of fear, and death wherever her tentacles reached. And these countries cannot be forgotten once again as they were after WWII. We cannot let people with a desire for freedom be trampled by the Iron fist of Valdimir Putin. This has nothing to do with Iraq, GWB, etc. This has to do with the potential of millions of people suffering and dying under Authoritarian Russian rule.

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» RE: ussian Citizens? Posted by: Rene Corda
» RE: ussian Citizens? Posted by: Benjaminsjw
WTF is with the media blackout?
Posted by: andy on Aug 11, 2008 11:23 AM   
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i have been filling my mother in with the details and gravity of this conflict because she says that it is simply not being reported on at all in Australia.

If America is not complicit in any way, what are they trying to hide? Australia is kept in a false reality beleiving that the world is united in harmonious competition at Beijing!

this is criminal, the media ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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That 3AM phone call just came in...
Posted by: Romans1 on Aug 11, 2008 12:41 PM   
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And Barak Obama would be hiding under his Oval Office desk.

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» Such a stupid comment, especially Posted by: TruthBeTold
Where do you people get off
Posted by: 876 on Aug 11, 2008 12:41 PM   
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I find the united states, a brutal imperialist tyrant talking of peaceful resolutions and national sovereignty of this or that country dictating to Russians how to behave is beyond laughable. You people actually have the big balls to feel you are some “moral authority”. You have never been a moral authority except in your own deluded self important fantasy and you certainly aren’t a moral authority now with your illegal invasions and your forced bases on unwilling people.

You americans are truly an astounding people.

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Strategic context, anyone?
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Aug 11, 2008 1:33 PM   
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So another major world event with shitty media coverage...

I've been having trouble finding good information about exactly what is going on in Georgia from a strategic point of view. I haven't had much time to research it yet and if anyone can add to or correct the limited information I've gathered I would really appreciate it.

Looking at a map tells me that Georgia is in an area of immense geostrategic importance. Doing a few searches tells me that Georgia has been courting an alliance with NATO. Common sense tells me that Georgia would not waltz right into a conflict with Russia without some sort of assurances of an outcome, or at least support of some kind, from western powers. In fact it seems to me that Georgia would be an ideal place for an American/NATO military base or, lets say, some nuclear missiles and anti-ballistic missiles.

It seems to me that this has the potential to turn into a much wider conflict than what happened this weekend. Any additional insight into the geostrategic elements of this conflict would be appreciated.

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Wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Georgia are Just Business.
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Aug 11, 2008 4:29 PM   
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The world is a business in the eyes of those who run it.

Afghanistan was about oil in the Caspian Sea.

Iraq was about all the oil never pumped out of the ground due to the sanctions from the First Gulf War.

Georgia is about oil and natural gas pipelines bypassing Russian territory and built without Russian companies.


No nation gets into a war unless they have looked at their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, and minimax solutions and computed the price/cost probabilities of the war (barring the leader being absolutely insane).

Will the nation and it's businesses make money from the war?

Defense contractors will get increased sales.
The banks will loan out more money which means they make more interest.
Contracts to rebuild infrastructure go to the invading nation's companies.


Have we all forgotten Iraq had $40 billion in contracts with Russia. Those contracts ended up being a huge loss for Russian companies. Do you think Russia was going to sit back and not retaliate in kind when the opportunity presented itself?


Russia is going to try to take control of Georgia enough so that it can control the oil and natural gas pipelines there and get rich of the transport of those commodities and the maintenance of those systems.

Russia is doing exactly what the U.S. is doing in Iraq. Trying to enrich the corporations of their country from these wars.

It's not about freedom and democracy, it's not about WMD, terrorists, and tyrants.


All that ideology BS is for the public to consume because the public can't stomach the fact that to the world's leaders, it's all business.

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Disappointed in "Progressives"
Posted by: EncinoM on Aug 11, 2008 9:31 PM   
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Many here either side with the aggressor (Russia) or continue anti-west slurs regardless of the topic. The same thing happend months ago during the torch protests. Posts on those boards fell just short of accussing the Dali Lama of genocide.

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» P.S. My family IS safe. Posted by: mjabele
So Mucg for Truce...
Posted by: Godfather89 on Aug 13, 2008 2:29 PM   
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So much for the truce Russia Made with Georgia. Now Russia turns their back from their own truce and they are heading for the capital! Too much war for profit I tell ya.

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