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Big Business Is Making Sure It Wins the Presidency
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Apart from the obvious absurdity of not having a functioning election-policing mechanism in an election year in the world's richest democracy, the late start by the FEC makes it almost impossible for the agency to do its job. The commission has a long-standing reluctance to take action in the last months before a vote, a policy designed to help prevent federal regulators from influencing election outcomes. Normally, the FEC tries to root out infractions and loopholes -- fining campaigns for incomplete reporting, or for taking shortcuts around spending limits -- in the early months of a campaign season. But that ship sailed way too long ago to take the stink off the 2008 race.
"The time for setting the ground rules was earlier," says Craig Holman, a lobbyist with the watchdog group Public Citizen. "There isn't time to do much now."
That's especially true given the magnitude of what we're dealing with here: the biggest pile of political contributions in the history of free elections, nearly a billion dollars given to presidential candidates in this season alone. Because the FEC has been dead in the water for so long, it's likely that we'll still be in the dark about a large chunk of this record manure pile of campaign contributions when we go to vote in November.
But that doesn't mean that a little sifting through campaign records doesn't tell us quite a lot about who's backing whom in these races. The truth is that the campaigns of both Barack Obama and John McCain are being inundated with cash from more or less exactly the same gorgons of the corporate scene. From Wall Street to the Big Oil powerhouses to the military-industrial complex, America's fat-cat business leaders know that the Animal House-style party of the last eight years that made almost all of them rich with bonuses, government contracts and bubble profits is about to come to an end, and someone is going to have to pay to clean up the mess. They want that someone to be you, not them, and they've spared no expense to make sure both presidential candidates will be there to bail them out next year.
They're succeeding. Both would-be presidents have already sold us out. They've taken the money and run -- completing the cyclical transformation of the American political narrative from one of monopolistic Republican iniquity to an even more depressing tale about the overweening power of corporate money and the essentially fictitious nature of our two-party system.
In layman's terms, we've gone from being screwed to being fucked. Who knows -- maybe Barack Obama will surprise us if he wins the election. But if you look at the money, it doesn't look good.
Thanks in part to the dormant FEC, corporate America has had even easier access to the candidates than usual in its effort to buy off the next government before the crash. In fact, this election has seen some excellent new innovations in the area of campaign-fundraising atrocities. Chief among them is the rise of so-called "joint committees."
It used to be that campaigns could raise a maximum of $2,300 from each individual. Now, both candidates -- but especially McCain, who far outstrips Obama in this area -- routinely hold fundraisers in which individuals can give far more to a joint committee. Technically, the candidate still pockets only $2,300 in contributions. The bulk of the money raised -- in McCain's case, a whopping $70,100, or 30 times the previous limit -- goes to the state and national arms of the candidate's party, which can then spend the unprecedented haul on behalf of the candidate. "This allows CEOs to walk in the door and drop $70,100," says Holman. "It basically allows campaigns to exceed the spending limits."
McCain has raised more than $63 million via these joint committees, thanks to more than 1,000 "megadonors" who have each given at least $25,000 to his campaign effort. Obama, by contrast, has some 471 megadonors -- and a close examination of their backgrounds underscores some of the differences in corporate America's attitudes toward the two candidates.
One of McCain's chief sources of corporate money is the private-equity firm Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, memorialized for its takeover of RJR Nabisco in the movie Barbarians at the Gate. Through the pretext of joint committees, 10 KKR executives have given McCain $285,000, and it's not hard to figure out why. Two of McCain's key campaign proposals -- lowering the corporate tax rate to 25 percent and making purchases of industrial equipment fully deductible -- would save a single KKR subsidiary, Energy Future Holdings, $49 million.
"Just in his tax policies alone, McCain is saving corporate America $175 billion a year," says James Kvaal, who analyzed McCain's tax policy for the nonprofit Center for American Progress.
McCain has also raked in big contributions from two other giants of the buyout world: the Carlyle Group (famous for its close ties to the Bush administration) and the Blackstone Group (whose co-founder, Pete Peterson, wrote a $28,500 check to McCain after he took home almost $1.8 billion from a public offering last year). McCain has also received monstrous sums from hedge-fund managers, attracted by his pledge to keep the tax rate on their earnings at only 15 percent. Executives and family members in a single hedge fund, Knott Partners, have contributed some $225,700 to McCain's campaign.
Then there's the predictable influx of cash from would-be military contractors. John Lehman, a former secretary of the Navy whose firm builds the Superferry transport vessel, not only donated $28,500 of his own money, but bundled at least $250,000 for McCain from other donors. Donald Bollinger, who is a contractor on the controversial Littoral Combat Ship, gave $27,300 and bundled a whopping $500,000. Anyone want to bet on a decrease in Naval appropriations in a McCain presidency?
McCain has also received big money from telecommunications magnates. The senator has always been a friend to the industry: Back in 2003, just four days after AT&T sent him a check for $10,500, he sponsored a bill to ban state and local taxes on Internet service. Since 2007, McCain has taken in some $1.3 million from the communications industry. Just four members of the McCaw family, which owns the telecommunications firm Eagle River, have kicked in $123,200. McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, was a former lobbyist for BellSouth, Verizon and SBC Communications. His deputy campaign manager, Christian Ferry, was a partner to Davis at Verizon. One of his chief advisers, Charlie Black, is the head of the lobbying firm BKSH and Associates, which represents AT&T. His Senate chief of staff, Mark Buse, worked for AT&T Wireless. All told, of 66 current and former lobbyists working for McCain, some 23 come from the telecommunications industry.
Given McCain's telecom backing, it's not surprising that the senator has had one of his characteristic changes of heart. As recently as last November, McCain was staunchly opposed to retroactive immunity for telecommunication companies that took part in Bush's illegal spying on American consumers, saying their actions "undermine our respect for the law." Now, jammed to the gills with telecom cash, McCain calls himself an "unqualified" supporter of immunity, praising the telecom industry's warrantless wiretapping as "constitutional and appropriate."
All the same, plenty of other evidence suggests that much of Wall Street is betting on an Obama win. In fact, some observers believe that KKR announced a multibillion-dollar public offering this summer because it expects McCain to lose. "They're doing the public offering now so that the compensation can be taxed at the lower rate while Bush is still in office," says a strategist for a major labor union. "They're betting Obama is going to win, and they're getting their money while they can."
Other companies are getting in on the ground floor with the new chief by stuffing money in his ears. Overall, Obama is flat-out kicking McCain's ass when it comes to Wall Street contributions, raking in nearly $9 million from securities and investment executives, compared to $6.2 million for McCain. Obama has received more contributions from Goldman Sachs than from any other employer -- more than $627,000 at this writing -- not to mention $398,021 from JP Morgan Chase, $353,922 from Lehman Brothers and $291,388 from Morgan Stanley. Even among hedge-fund executives, who have an unequivocal interest in electing McCain, Obama is whipping the Republican, collecting $500,000 more than McCain. All of which begs the question: Why would corporate giants like these throw so much weight behind a man who promises to strip them of billions in tax breaks?
Sadly, the answer to that question increasingly appears to be that Obama is, well, full of shit. He has made no bones about his plans to raise income by soaking the rich, promising to roll back the Bush tax cuts for people making over $250,000, increase the top tax rate on capital gains to 25 percent and raise the top rate on qualified dividends. He has also pledged to deliver a real stomach punch to hedge-fund managers, raising the tax rate on most of their income from 15 percent to 35 percent.
These populist pledges sound good, but many business moguls appear to be betting that the tax policies, like Obama himself, are only that: something that sounds good. "I think we don't want to make too much of his promises on taxes," says Robert Pollin, professor of economics at the University of Massachusetts. "Not all of these things will happen." Noting the overwhelming amount of Wall Street money pouring into Obama's campaign, even elitist fuckwad David Brooks was recently moved to write, "Once the Republicans are vanquished, I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that capital-gains tax hike."
Those worried that Obama might be all talk when it comes to needed reform had a real scare in July, when the senator failed to show up to vote for the Stop Excessive Speculation Act, a bill designed to curb rampant oil speculation. Oil speculators provide the perfect microcosm of what happened to the economy under Bush. Back in 2001, investment banks like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan got together and created an online exchange called the ICE for trading energy commodities. The ICE ended up buying the British-regulated International Petroleum Exchange; it then opened trading windows in the U.S., allowing Wall Street investment banks to make oil-futures trades on American soil, on their very own commodities exchange, without any federal regulation whatsoever.
"In financial terms, they were playing blackjack at tables where they themselves were the dealers, in casinos they themselves owned," says Warren Gunnels, a senior policy adviser to Sen. Bernie Sanders. "It was crazy." Trading on the ICE had a massive impact on U.S. gasoline prices, and more than one legislator wondered if energy speculators were manipulating the market, as energy traders like Enron had been before. The speculation bill was designed to regulate the ICE and place limits on trades. But on the day before Obama returned from his eight-day, eight-country, megadazzling international photo op, Democrats failed by a vote of 50-43 to force a vote on the bill, as heavy lobbying by investment banks like Goldman Sachs torpedoed the effort.
Not only did Obama not show up to vote, he appeared at a public forum three days later flanked by Jon Corzine and Robert Rubin, two former Goldman executives, to discuss how to revive the economy. Here you have the basic formula of campaign contributions in a nutshell: Powerful investment bank gives big money to candidate, needed reform requires candidate to cross said investment bank, candidate pussies out and finds way to be gone at the moment of truth, candidate resurfaces later in arms of aforementioned investment bankers.
Obama's absence on oil speculation was eerily reminiscent of his previous decision to change his mind about giving retroactive immunity to telecom companies for spying on Americans. Obama withdrew his pledge to filibuster the immunity bill right around the time the Democrats announced that AT&T would be sponsoring the Democratic convention. So no filibuster on retroactive immunity from the top Democrat -- but conventiongoers in Denver will get tote bags emblazoned with the AT&T logo. So that's something.
Look, we all knew this was coming. Once Obama vanquished Hillary Clinton, it was inevitable that his campaign would start roping in the Clinton moneymen for the fall confrontation with McCain. Among those snagged by Obama were Iranian millionaire and former Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee chairman Hassan Nemazee, venture capitalist Alan Patricof and the touchingly plugged-in Wall Street power couple Maureen White (First Boston) and Steven Rattner (Morgan Stanley). Rattner and White, the former chief fundraiser for the DNC, are longtime friends of the Clintons; she quit the DNC in 2006 to build Hillary's war chest, while he backed Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont and flirted with a Mike Bloomberg presidential run. Such are the people who are now whispering in Obama's ear.
Over the summer, the Obama camp has relentlessly pushed the notion that its record fundraising is mainly the result of small online donations. The first presidential candidate to raise so much money that he could afford to eschew the spending limits that would be imposed if he accepted federal matching funds, Obama claims that he opted out of public funding so that he could have a campaign "truly funded by the American people." And indeed, he has a record number of small donors, with some 45 percent of his campaign cash coming from contributions smaller than $200.
Which is a great percentage -- but it's only eight points better than John Kerry in 2004 and only 14 points better than George Bush that same year. In truth, Obama is still raising tons of money from big corporate donors. In June alone, as Obama was raking in more than $30 million from small donors, he also bagged $6 million in a single fundraiser at Ethel Kennedy's home in Virginia and another $5 million at an event in Hollywood. But time and time again, you see Obama aides boasting about how the day of the big-dollar donor is over. "More people are involved, and I think that necessarily dilutes the impact of any individual -- which is probably a good thing," one prominent Obama supporter recently declared. This staunch champion of the small donor happened to be none other than James Rubin, son of former Goldman Sachs co-chairman Bob Rubin.
Obama's decision to embrace Clinton's moneymen coincided with his decision to attend a public forum on economic policy with an A list of Clinton-era economic advisors, including Rubin and Corzine. "The message is that he's going to be a friend to Wall Street, just as Bill Clinton was a friend to Wall Street," says Pollin. "Wall Street will want to be at the head of the table."
By now it should be clear what type of service Wall Street will demand. The financial disaster dumped on us by eight years of Bush's mismanagement has left America with the prospect of short-term solutions in the form of massive government bailouts, and long-term solutions in the form of reform and regulation. A big chunk of the $1 billion in cash that will be spent on the presidential race this year represents Wall Street's desire to make sure that both candidates can be counted on to make the short-term bailouts large and passionate, and the reforms gentle and halfhearted. "They want to make sure there's socialism when they need it -- bailouts -- and capitalism when they need that," says Pollin.
Both candidates are already falling all over themselves to signal their business-friendly approach to the economy. McCain entered this election with a reputation as a strict Goldwater conservative. "I have always been committed to the principle that it is not the duty of government to bail out and reward those who act irresponsibly," he declared. McCain also sounded off in the past about troubled quasi-governmental lenders Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, pledging to "make them go away" and to strip them of their right to lobby.
But this year, McCain -- perhaps emboldened by the $238,100 he got from seven JP Morgan Chase executives or the $500,000 bundled for him by Chase executive James Lee Jr. -- caved in and supported Chase's outrageous government-backed acquisition of Bear Stearns. He also backed the recent bailout of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae -- no surprise given that former Fannie Mae lobbyists are serving as his chief of staff and the head of his vice presidential vetting panel.
Obama also supported the Freddie Mac-Fannie Mae rescue, and that, too, is no surprise, given that he hired one former chairman of Fannie Mae to chair his vice presidential vetting panel and hired another former Fannie Mae chairman to serve as his consultant on housing issues. Most of us will never get within a hundred miles of a single Fannie Mae chairman, but Obama has already hired two -- and he isn't even president yet.
This, folks, is the way of the world. Forget all the promises to make the rich pay their fair share. As the candidates get closer to office, the actual paying customers move to the front of the line.
Sadly, both candidates have an extensive history of being dependable pals of campaign contributors. Back in 2000, when Obama was a state senator in Illinois, an entrepreneur named Robert Blackwell Jr. hired him to be his lawyer, paying him a monthly retainer of $8,000 -- big money for a part-time legislator with an annual salary of just $58,000. A few months later, Obama sent a letter urging state tourism officials to give a grant to one of Blackwell's companies, the amusingly named Killerspin, to fund a table-tennis tournament. Killerspin received $320,000 in public funds; Obama pocketed $112,000 in fees from Blackwell.
So far this year, Blackwell has bundled more than $100,000 for Obama's campaign. Looks like there's going to be a shitload of table-tennis tournaments all across America next year.
McCain also likes to write letters for big contributors. In 1998, four months after BellSouth contributed $16,750 to the senator, he sent a letter to the FCC asking it to give "serious consideration" to the company's request to enter the long-distance market. He later wrote letters on behalf of Paxson Communications, which donated $20,000 and let him use their company jet, as well as Ameritech and SBC Communications, which raised $120,000 for McCain at a time when they were seeking permission to merge.
McCain's still sticking by that gang. Former Ameritech chairman Richard Notebaert bundled more than $100,000 for him this year, and two of McCain's key fundraisers, Peter Madigan and Tim McKone, hail from SBC. The point is that politicians are intensely loyal to the people who give them money -- and not anywhere near as loyal to the promises they've made to suckers like us. No matter who's in the White House, the direction of the government has remained remarkably stable. Clinton's treasury secretary, Rubin, was a Goldman Sachs man; Henry Paulson, the current secretary under Bush, is also a Goldman Sachs man. It'll probably be a Goldman man again next year. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. In sickness or in health, the faces may change, but the money remains. "It's not an accident that both administrations picked for leading economic advisers people from Goldman Sachs," says Pollin.
The really distressing thing about all of this is the signal it sends to Americans. Goldman Sachs posted a record profit of $11 billion last year, much of it from betting against the subprime mortgage market they themselves helped to fuck up. That little energy exchange Goldman set up, the ICE, made a profit of $240 million last year, as gas prices skyrocketed. It may suck to be you right now, but all that pain isn't so bad if you are a big oil speculator.
When you live in million-dollar Manhattan townhouses and make billions in profits betting on the pain of the ordinary foreclosed homeowner, you shouldn't get to run around on TV with the prospective president on your arm. You should be hung by your balls. But that's not the way it works, and despite what you might have heard about "change," it probably never will be.
For all the excitement that Barack Obama has garnered, and all the talk about a new day in Washington, it would be tragic if the real legacy of his election victory was to finally expose the essentially unchanging, oligarchic nature of our political system. It's the same old story: Money talks, and bullshit walks. And don't be surprised if we're the ones still walking after November.
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Posted by: hayduke1 on Aug 9, 2008 12:10 AM
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let the truth prevail
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 9, 2008 12:22 AM
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What we have is a duopoly. At best the democrats will leave a few more crumbs on the table.
We still haven't hit the bottom of the hole folks ... cause we haven't even stopped digging.
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Posted by: ankhet on Aug 9, 2008 2:08 AM
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There ya go - exactly as predicted by the "cynical old fogeys", who are pretty familiar with the smell of rotten fish.
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Posted by: nochicagoboys on Aug 9, 2008 2:16 AM
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As I've been posting, on this very forum, for at least the last year. Obama is no different than McCain; McCain is no different than Obama. The Democratic Party is no different than they Republican Party; the G.O.P. is no different than the Democratic Party. They're just two separate wings of the same party -- the Corporatist Party; the truly unitary party system that dominates America today.
C'mon folks, use your brain, and rid yourselves of those delusional ideas that, "Life's going to be great again, if only Senator Obama can win the presidency! You'll see!" If this article doesn't finally lay it out for you, in black-and-white, than you're beyond hope. Why people -- average people, middle-class people, working class people, living paycheck-to paycheck people, continue to place their bets on Senator Obama, is beyond me. Unfortunately, enough won't read Mr. Taibbi's article, and certainly, enough won't read the article to make a difference.
It's time to rethink this whole process, folks, if you haven't already. It's time to start thinking, seriously, about leaving both wings of the Corporatist Party behind, and finding a party (or person) that stands-up for you. Because, the way it is now, it certainly does not. The way it is now, it's business as usual.
Good luck.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 9, 2008 3:03 AM
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Not surprising to me, Matt Taibbi never talked about the greatest threat to his own personal liberty -- the 225 subversive PNAC members (signatories), including Unfit McCain, who influence the federal government and U.S. military-industrial complex.
I spent two years researching Bill Kristol's rightwing extremist organization and know the fascist bastards like my brother. PNAC is the Bush administration's evil-minded Wizard of Oz and it will continue in that role under a McCain administation.
A small example of PNAC power is the Carlyle Group, mentioned in Taibbi's article.
In the run-up to our invasion of Iraq, which PNAC began promoting in 1998, the private investment fund was managed by PNAC signatory Frank Carlucci, former Reagan Secretary of Defense.
Not coincidentally during the late 1990s and well into the Bush 43 administration, the Carlyle Group made humongus profits on no-bid DOD contracts, of which George H.W. Bush, a Carlyle partner, got a lion's share -- to be inherited by his no-talent first son.
By the way, PNAC's Web site is not longer active because someone didn't pay the hosting fees. But that won't stop you from learning about the treasonous organization, if you click on: PNAC
With love,
*Hugh E. Scott, 73, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican and rabid neocon-hater.
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» So what have you done, nochicagoboys, to advance your leftwing anarchist beliefs?
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» And I applaud you for it, oregoncharles. Keep up the good work!
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» Leftwing anarchist beliefs? No, more like anti-corporatist beliefs...
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Posted by: williameon on Aug 9, 2008 5:12 AM
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Go grass roots.
Circumvent the Evil Ratschild Plague
All the Talking Heads
And
Dark Mercenary Armies
Can never sell the people into
Slavery again.
Go local.
Cut out the corpirate middleman.
Kick Oil
The Fossil Fuel Age will die with
The Zio-whore gas bags
Bush/Chainey
May the door hit them in the ass and
Children slap them in the face.
Barter
Create
Go GREEN
Go organic
Survive
and
Prosper.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Aug 9, 2008 6:02 AM
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In other words, the entire system is a sham FASCIST state that poses at "democracy" and "capitalism" where neither has existed for generations.
This was made transparently clear on a particular tuesday 9/11 that ranks as the most grotesque and proven criminal coverup in modern history for its equally ugly 9/11 "war on terror" genocide monster. An event Taibbi and other well-paid MSM drones never questioned as they continue to promote the official DC travesty coverup and denounced anyone who dare point out the sham of the century.
In other words, it isn't "Big Business" that owns the "presidency" and a Washington-MSM axis but “The Owners” behind one monopoly FASCIST corporate crime state.
Of course, you'd never learn that from the likes of the Rolling Stone, the pretend counter-culture touchstone. No, it's just a random collection of "Big Business" suits that occasionally go off the reservation. That's the post 9/11 comic book worldview we get sold from one year to the next.
Meanwhile, it is organized Fascist reality on the ground that supposed maverick Taibbi and his MSM sellout choir will never acknowledge much less report.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 9, 2008 6:23 AM
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So WHO's big Donors and 'Advisors' Are these currnetly listed under Obama's campaign. Could they be the ones who HillaBilly 'released to Help Sen Obama'. Wouldn't the appearance of Corp influence work to Hillary's advantage too- undermining Sen Obama's 'Change ' message? Would that help solidify the 'Lefts' assistance in defenting this Dem candidate Again?
consider the fact Hillary could have had her machine work just as hard against Obama as the Neo Cons.thus giving her the opening in'12. Also consider if her machine was able to not only infiltrate, but kneecap Sen Obama's run from the inside, letting it be seen as a 'sell out'.
So Hillary has handed Obama an double edged sword- take my 'friends' or I'll have them work against You. I can only hope Obama has seen the treason of the Clintons against him, Party and the Country and is soaking them for all he can to Win and avoid Hillary's grab for power in'12.The Clintons ARE Corp Covert Operatives, It's taken this old supporter the last few years to stop accepting THEIR flavor of Koolaid.
That is why I am all in flavor of Obama proving Patriotism is color Blind and names Sen Check Hagel as his VP- Fuck the Corps who have infiltrated both parties
Obama/Hagel '08
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Posted by: Godfather89 on Aug 9, 2008 6:25 AM
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Look at it this way: When talk about prosperity, freedom, and security their really talking to the people in charge of creating the NWO and that you kinda are just in between them talking.
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Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 9, 2008 6:44 AM
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JT
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Posted by: chlamor on Aug 9, 2008 6:52 AM
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Let’s see where this candidate gets his money to convince you to vote for him;
Barack Obama:
Goldman Sachs $421,763 Ubs Ag $296,670 Lehman Brothers $250,630 National Amusements Inc $245,843 JP Morgan Chase & Co $243,848 Sidley Austin LLP $226,491 Citigroup Inc $221,578 Exelon Corp $221,517 Skadden, Arps Et Al $196,420 Jones Day $181,996 Harvard University $172,324 Citadel Investment Group $171,798 Time Warner $155,383 Morgan Stanley $155,196 Google Inc $152,802 University of California $143,029 Jenner & Block $136,565 Kirkland & Ellis $134,738 Wilmerhale Llp $119,245 Credit Suisse Group $118,250
We hear it all the time: “Republicans are the party of big business and Democrats are the party of the people.” Court rulings have even endorsed the idea that spending cash in support of candidates is “free speech.” There sure is a ton of money being spent for something that is "free."
For more than 20 years now, polls of the American people repeatedly have shown that a majority of Americans believe their government is controlled by special interests. Can anyone honestly assert that there is no connection between campaign cash and the policies of the US Government? Does anyone truly believe this?
In his Super Tuesday speech, Mr. Obama asserted that he isn’t taking money from PAC’s during his presidential campaign. While this is true, he nevertheless has received huge amounts of campaign cash from individuals associated with certain industries.
Take a look at the information available OpenSecrets.org website.
Ask yourself these questions after reviewing the statistics:
1. Which party is the party of big business (hint: they both are)?
2. Do you believe campaign cash has a direct impact on legislation and policy?
3. Do you believe either McCain or Obama is free to act on behalf of the American people instead of catering to corporate America?
How can liberal Democrats decry the infusion of corporate cash into the political process when both Clinton and Obama have received more industry campaign cash than their Republican opponent? How can the Democratic Party be the “party of the people” when they, too, are funded by corporations and their lobbyists? If you're an advocate of "lesser of the evils" voting, understand that you're endorsing a corporate-funded agenda.
Big business likes things just the way they are. They get what they want in Washington at your expense. If you're hoping for change, voting for corporate-funded candidates is not the way. The rich will get richer while the poor get poorer. Corporations will prosper while the US Treasury goes bankrupt. Solutions to real problems like addiction to oil, global warming, decaying infrastructure, affordable healthcare, declining literacy rates, and a real social safety net cannot happen when government caters to profit-seeking corporations instead of the American people.
What we’re left with is truly the best democracy money can buy. As we all know, or should know, that’s no democracy at all.
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Posted by: chlamor on Aug 9, 2008 6:56 AM
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Meanwhile, Obama's presidential run has been "assisted" by more than $2 million from the health care sector and nearly $400,000 from the insurance industry through October of 2007. Obama received $708,000 from medical and insurance interests between 2001 and 2006.
And Obama's sixth largest contributor is Exelon, the proud Chicago-based owner and operator of more nuclear power plants than any entity on earth.
Go figure.
As for his "lobbyist ban," last August the Los Angeles Times reported that Obama "raised more than $1 million in the first three months of his presidential campaign from law firms and companies that have major lobbying operations in the nation's capital." Campaign finance expert Stephen Weissman observed that this raised troubling questions about the practical relevance of Obama's much-ballyhooed pledge to turn down donations from "federal lobbyists."
Obama's rise to national prominence and presidential viability has in fact depended significantly on PAC and lobbyist money.
To give one example, Obama received $33,000 in the first quarter of 2007 from the Atlanta-based law firm Alston & Bird, which maintains a large lobbying division in Washington. Obama's $33,000 came bundled from a number of "consultants" employed by the firm.
Also deleted from Obama's "ban" are state lobbyists. Obama took $2000 from two Springfield, Illinois lobbyists for Exelon, which spent $500,000 to influence policy in Washington in 2006 and gave $160,000 directly to Obama.
An especially big dent in the armor of Obama's effort to sell himself as the noble repudiator of lobbyist, PAC, and special interest money generally was inflicted in early August of 2007. That's when the Boston Globe published a widely circulated article titled "PACs and Lobbyists Aided Obama's Rise: Data Contrast With His Theme." Globe reporter Scott Helman reviewed campaign finance records to find that a "more complicated truth" lurked "behind Obama's campaign rhetoric." Obama's rise to national prominence and presidential viability, Helman discovered, depended significantly on PAC and lobbyist money, including large sums from "defense contractors, law firms and the securities and insurance industries" to his own powerful PAC "Hopefund." Of special interest was Helman's determination that Obama was retaining close and lucrative funding relationships with leading Washington-based lobbyists and lobbying firms while technically avoiding direct contributions from those key campaign finance players.
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Posted by: frankly1 on Aug 9, 2008 7:14 AM
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Underneath just as corrupt, bought, paid for and controled by the same people as the other guy. But he looks good! He looks the way we want a president, the image of our nation, to look.
The man who was bottom of his class, thinks war is great, dropped bombs on people and is so obviosly immoral, corrupt, racist and ignorant will lose the "election" (another great irony - the greatest domocracy has none).
But does'nt he look more like the government he wants to lead?
Perhaps we should be carefull who we pretend to be!
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Posted by: bryangalt on Aug 9, 2008 8:19 AM
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All campaign donations should be discontinued-outlawed-stopped-kaput-period.
This law should apply to every level of government without exception.
A new law would govern the election runs in a simple and orderly manner and would go like this:
Primary Elections:
Any qualified candidate for an elected position shall be granted airtime in the local broadcast market covering the district/state where the primary is located for the period prior to the election day with the following formula:
Presidential candidates: 5 minutes per day/two weeks
Senate/Reps: 3 min day/two weeks
State Sen/Reps: 2 min day/1 week
Local races: 1 min day/ 1 week
General Election
Presidential Candidates: 5 min day/only 4 weeks prior to election
Sen/Reps: 4 min day/4 wks to election
State Sen/Reps: 3 min day/4 wks to election
Local: 2 min day/ 4 wks to election
This airtime would be provided by the TV stations/cable operations as a public service at no charge to the candidates.
Presidential candidates would be provided with government aircraft after they are selected as their parties candidate at no charge to them.
A fund of $500 Million would be used to pay for staff for all candidates in an election year from local to Presidential.
Donations to parties could remain legal, but those donations could not be used for advertising for a candidate.
If the blood supply is cut off to a tumor, the tumor dies and the patient lives.
Cut off the money to the corruption, and we all may just survive as well.
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Posted by: Nicnic on Aug 9, 2008 8:42 AM
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You think you have problems dealing with the bank over fees now just wait until cash is no longer valid. Anyone can then be forced from riches to rags with the flip of the switch once the economy is transacted entirely on an electronic basis. They’ll be able to remove you from society for any arbitrary reason of non-compliance and you’ll have no recourse.
This cashless day is soon upon us unless you start acting now. They are pushing for it as hard as they can. They are lying to you about the advantages of electronic commerce while they make phony rules and restrictions to combat money laundering and terrorism. You have no idea how every purchase, whether at the grocery store or the doctor's office is cataloged, categorized, analyzed and traded and used against you in any number of nefarious ways.
Everything that is wrong with this country stems from the increasingly stringent hold the financial reptiles have over YOUR money. You must start using cash as exclusively as possible. You must vote in the fair tax and before you believe the misinformation about it you’d better actually get the real facts and study it close. And you must decriminalize drugs and here again, you've got to get the real facts behind substance control and the true cost of it to you. Stop overbuying into the false notion that you can afford anything, which has withdrawal consequences as bad as drugs. Go for ownership, not enslavement. Pay everything off as soon as you can. Don't generate financial fees on their behalf because you're an inept consumer. Stop consuming on their behalf.
If you don’t do these things they will eventually end up with all our money and all our guns and we'll be nothing more than amoebas.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 9, 2008 8:50 AM
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Since then Big Business has made sure the only people that ever get talked about are the ones the work for them. Being socially conscious is window dressing to give the appearence working in the best intrest of the people. Under the
cold hand of the American business model we've been given WW2,Korea,Vietman,Central America, Peru,Lebenon,Iran/Contra,support of the Tailban against the Russians in Afghanistan,yeah Bin Laden too,Desert Storm,the no fly zones,The Balkins,Iraq 2 and a dart toss at the World map for the next Big
Business sponsored insurection.
How do you think a candidate get a quarter of a billion dollars in contributions or for that
matter the DNC and the RNC getting Hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions.
Big Business is the real Terrorist. This is the real threat to World Peace and stability. The answer to this global as well as national threat is to put someone in office that owes Big Business nothing and is willing to take away their means of operating this game of Corporate Rulership. In short...someone who's willing to slap these jerks with a non-refundable,non-deductable high taxbracket. Without the power that having money gives them
they stop being a problem to the rest of the World.
Some folks may scream 'Job Losses!' but we have enough necessary environmental actions that need doing to replace any 'lost job'. We also have the inteligence to create new abd better jobs that don't support world domination but rather World Elevation. The only way we're going to get there is by eliminating the Big Business/Government connections for it is they who've sent you family off to die in an illegal and imoral vendetta strike in Iraq by the Bush Family Mafia.
Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: sausage on Aug 9, 2008 8:54 AM
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Face it, Paris Hilton's class--and let us not forget that the Kennedy clan is also a member in good standing of the trust fund babies set--dominates the economy, so whether we get a President Obama or President McCain next January, "her" energy plan well be the one we get.
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Aug 9, 2008 8:55 AM
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FISA was bad enough but had national security implications about which he is seen as vulnerable...
But remaining silent as to the criminal manipulation of the Futures and Commodities Market is not only abdicating his place as the head for the most part of the Democratic party but a betrayal of the working and average public suffering due to this the biggest swindle in history...
Now Goldman Sachs has given Obama through bundling over $622,000 and Morgan Stanley nearly $300,000 and they are amongst the biggest players in this insider trading on the Oil market...
Why is Obama taking money from these people he has supporters that believe in him as I believed in John Edwards, who would easily give him more than that if he only asked..!
Obama also took money from UBS which is under criminal investigation over the sub prime scandal and rip off..!
I'm glad Mike wrote this article and much of it I have known...
Obama could lose the election due to his being mute on these vital issues of energy and the Republican Deregulation of our markets..
He would be so much stronger without this tainted money...and could actually be a candidate for change which I never saw in him anyway..
Still he's got my vote just to stop McCain and the Republicans as the lessor evil...
Sorry but that's the best that I can do when it comes to this guy Obama..
If he was being straight with the American people over the issues speaking out hard and fighting as to the real reason for the high Gas and Oil Prices he be further ahead in the polls where he belongs..
Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley and UBS are millstones that are dragging him and his campaign down..not lifting it up..!
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Posted by: jbwestwood on Aug 9, 2008 8:57 AM
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Sadly, in the USA the only non-bloodshed answer is collective voter rebellion throwing ALL rascals out. Such highly unlikly action would, like impeachment, restore a belief in people power and wipe the slate clean. As an angry WWII/Korean vet I have little hope that the sheeple will shed a fascination with TV drivel and start shouting.
I grieve for my grandchildren! UGH, YUK, and PUKE!
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Posted by: civilsociety on Aug 9, 2008 9:00 AM
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I included a header that said when Obama decide to catch up to progressives he would then not need all this money. In the interim I am leaning heavily toward voting for a black woman (McKinney/Green) for president or possibly after 56 years not voting at all.
When the American public begins to vote for the candidate that raises the leas amount of money will we be able to take our form of government back into the people's hands. Until then all we are is voting for the lesser of two evils and supporting the multinational corporate stranglehold on our future.
So who are you voting for?
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 9, 2008 9:17 AM
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Over time, people were frustrated and beginning in the late 1960s or one could say 1980, more people thought “Well? We might as well be stuck with raw deal cons because we’ve had it with those “liberals” for not living up to their promises but instead letting the social/economic “conservatives” control the Democratic Party.” We need to elect REAL progressives and liberals who really are what they claim regardless of party. The two party duopoly is what’s killing America.
The Democrats were the ones who also joined the GOP in overtaxing Cannabis and then in 1970, allowed Nixon to create the taxpayer money choking DEA to keep it illegal despite its true benefits. The Democratic Party is way too dysfunctional to even get its own identity straight much less grow a backbone and fight back. At no time these past few decades did the liberals ever infiltrate the GOP although there were some civil libertarian minded Republicans even in the 1970s. The Obama hacks are just plain desperate to simply have Democrats in power and want us to forget that the party has been nothing but a kissup to the GOP and is working harder than ever to out GOP the GOP. The Democrats should vote for the people’s interests and not for the corporate interests. If they would ever try that, the party hacks wouldn’t have to beg people to simply vote Democrat because the Democrats would have been more appealing to the voters naturally than is the case. Sorry Obama hacks but like Gore and Kerry, people are sick and tired of being begged upon to accept artificial BULLSHIT. Either force your Democratic Party to come clean and quit letting the conservatives in the party have their say or just let the party die as we’re already stuck with a one party system that just so happens to have 2 names, Democrat and Republican !!
RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT !!!!
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» 9-11 would not have happened in 2000 if Ralph Nader had been president because
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» Very interesting thought. Surprisingly, Nader is also sympathetic with other religions too.
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Posted by: mgloraine on Aug 9, 2008 9:21 AM
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Since Obama clearly sold out to the telecoms on FISA, and as he is presently selling out to the oil companies over offshore drilling, Democrats should begin to understand that their corporate candidate is as much a greedy, corrupt tool of the capitalists as McCain. But he is only one guy with one vote in the Senate. It took a lot more votes than one to pass FISA (and repeal the fourth amendment in the process). And it will take more than Obama's vote to capitulate to the oil companies and hand over the last wildlife preserve for them to obliterate for profit.
How many people in Congress voted for FISA? That's how many Congress-persons were paid off by the telecoms. How many will vote for offshore drilling? Likewise, that's how many have been bribed by Big Oil.
It is obvious to even the least sophisticated of voters that retroactive immunity for the telecoms and offshore drilling for the oil companies are NOT in the interest of ANYONE in this country except for the corporate execs receiving the handouts. And yet, Democratic legislators are in a daily competition to see who can sell out the quickest and to the uttermost extent. It's hard to pick a winner between Steny Hoyer, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, et al., scurrying to concoct a "compromise" (i.e., capitulation) whenever a corporate lobbyist waves a checkbook at them.
It is truly despicable for our Presidential candidates to be taking sides with the billionaires and against the ordinary citizens of this country. But it has been the greed and corruption of Congress which has brought about the downfall of the United States. Perhaps God will forgive them for destroying our country and our way of life, but I won't.
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Posted by: SocraticGadfly on Aug 9, 2008 11:32 AM
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Look, we all knew this was coming. Once Obama vanquished Hillary Clinton, it was inevitable that his campaign would start roping in the Clinton moneymen for the fall confrontation with McCain.
This is just the flip side of what McCain worshipers are claiming, saying that, before this year, Schmuck Talk Express™ wasn’t actually, well, Schmuck Talk Express™.
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Posted by: Lauren on Aug 9, 2008 5:17 PM
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I guess people are wondering about it.
Wonder no longer - the Bush administration is the anti-christ. 7 year reign, hello? False promises? Delivered. He was full of them. Don't forget, every character in the play is not only disguised to look different then you expect, but the story is also completely made up. It is a fiction.
As far as doing a Rapture, I really do know how to do that.
If anyone thinks they will fly out of their clothes and up into the air... that is NOT going to happen. If you believe that nonsense, you have been seriously had by one of those false profits they warn folks about.
Now, how about attending to our REAL problems. We have serious issues to deal with, like ending some wars, saving the economy and the ecology of the planet. That is the priority. That, and ending the stupid drug war.
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» RE: Who is the anit-christ? President Bush is the Anti-Christ.
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Posted by: YRM on Aug 9, 2008 6:27 PM
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Bush's Third Term (TheCityEdition.com)
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 9, 2008 7:07 PM
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You Might Try and Blame The Jews - Ie Even The Fucking English
But We KNOW You Brought It On Yourselves
So Fucking Behave
How Could You Do it?
American People ARE LOVELY
Its American People Who Did 9/11
I know its a shock
But live with it - and put
The President of America
ON TRIAL
For War Crimes Against Humanity
I know he is innicent - and had no knowledge of what was going to happen
George Bush is actually a nice human being
But he still needs to go on trial for war crimes against humanity
I don't honestly think he is guilty personally
But the trial will bring out all the evidence of who is
Love & Peace
The Band tonight were awesome and so was the party afterwards
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 9, 2008 7:36 PM
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What does it take - A Canadian Woman To Show You Some Balls?
What a pathetic bunch of American wankers
To still be sucking up to mummy's breasts and yet incapable to take on The REAL EVIL of the american fascists who control you
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 9, 2008 8:06 PM
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But someone has nicked the backdoor key
What was the point?
We invited absolutely everyone back to our home after the gig
Why should anyone want to steal the key to the back door?
Thats the only lock we've got
The thing is - when it gets windy - the door blows open
Its not a big deal - I am just somewhat puzzled .
Tony & Julie
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 9, 2008 8:23 PM
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And I put on something that I knew they would all instantly HATE
Cos The English Are Very Territorial
So I Put On
Lo Cor De La Plana
Well Fuck Me That seemed to Work
Tony
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Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 10, 2008 7:06 AM
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That says it all.
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Aug 10, 2008 8:23 AM
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Two fundamental principles of democracy fail to operate in a system where both candidates are beholden to corporate donors. The principle that government is "for the people" is no longer true when the President ignores their interests. Even though their is another member of the legislative branch, Congress, it too is almost always beholden to corporate interests as well, or the president can thwart their efforts to serve the public a la Bush.
The second principle is the imperative of choice in a democracy where the voters can turn to another party if they are dissatisfied with the one in power. Not possible in America. They can vote for business candidate one or business candidate two. Despite the efforts to separate themselves on policy during the election campaign, they will fly their true colors once in office.
Americans live in system which is not that dissimilar to the old Soviet Union where elections were but only Communist Party members were allowed on the ballot and when the election was over, the winners seved the interests of the communist party. What's the difference? Forget about freedom of speech because it and $1.00 will buy you a cup off coffee in the American system.
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Reject the duopoly, support a third option!
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There is a big difference between him and Obama on Social Security, Health Care and taxes, no matter WHO is funding their campaigns.
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He also nails those disgraces on the left, who are part of the awful 9/11 truther movement. The left should surely part ways with irrational people.
Love me some Taibbi.
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Posted by: PaulC on Aug 10, 2008 1:57 PM
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One strategy that I have embraced: fund the enviro and civic groups instead of the Dems directly, and let the enviro's help elect Dems, getting Rethugs out while giving enviro's the credit!
Meanwhile, on a longer term horizon, keep supporting the Greens who should see a renaissance based upon the massive shift in public awareness of green issues brought about by global warming and rising gas prices.
In return, Greens have to be smart enough to see the opportunity, and tie their success to the economic success promised by a Renewable Energy Manhattan-project to ween the country off fossil fuels, together with conservation efforts.
The Greens should make their name synonymous with a brighter future for all (which is precisely what the coal industry has been doing over the past couple of years, equating "clean coal" with renewable energy).
peace,
Paul
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Are you an undercover RNC operative or what?
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on Aug 10, 2008 5:39 PM
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Corporate America has won,at least for the moment.Neither candidate represents a challenge to the greed,crush and squeeze system,as if the Republicans would anyway.In a world of a billion ideas,with multifarious models to choose from,America's voters have two identical parties to choose from,both of which have been molded in the corporate image.
With no chance of a fair election,and no point in voting,why legitimise the current manufactured consensus by choosing either big party candidate?
Until the illusion of the Democratic Party offering any hope,clears from people's minds,then American's are condemned to repeatly legitimate a system that is the enemy of the working and middle classes.
As a force for good The Dems are dead,redundant,kaput.There is a growing,though albeit at the moment relatively small,number of discontented radicals,liberals,constitutionalists, and even honest Bush hating conservatives, who could be prepared to link up,and discuss alternatives to the DemPublican (or RepoCrats ,take your pick) party..
The discontent rages from left (Chomskyites ,Naderites,greens etc )to right (Alex Jones,Ron Paul supporters etc ),and all shades in between..
In the meantime backing and campaigning, for the organisation No in November, looks the most honest,and least destructive option..at least in terms of not getting hoodwinked.
If you are so minded then look up "No in November" online,if you haven't already,it could be worthwhile for anyone sick of the lies,deceit and stitch ups of US politics...
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» Not Voting is the Most Subversive Thing You Can Do.
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It may not be much of a solution, but the day after the election would at least be an interesting one.
Something I can't say about the last 12 presidential elections that I've voted in.
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It would be heartwarming to think that a candidate, such as Obama, would have the balls to rake in all the money from the corporatocracy that he can and, once in office, in a moment of supreme poetic justice, turn the tables on the bastards and stand up for the rank and file, not the elite.
It won't happen. No one man, however well-intentioned, can possibly do this now. The problem is systemic, like a cancer, and only amputation by catastrophe and civil disobedience is likely to make any impact.
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Just what candidate would have suited you if any?
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THE 545 PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR AMERICA'S WOES By Charles Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then
campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are
against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the
politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and
high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I
don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The
House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code. Congress
does. You and I don't set fiscal policy. Congress does. You and I don't
control monetary policy. The Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme Court
justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million - are directly, legally,
morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague
this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem
was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional
duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered but private
central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason They
have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a
congressman or a president to do one cotton- picking thing. I don't care if
they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the
power to accept or reject it.
No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility
to determine how he votes.
A CONFIDENCE CONSPIRACY Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy
convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in
this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive
amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a SPEAKER, who
stood up and criticized G.W. BUSH for creating deficits.
The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to
accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives
sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and
approving appropriations and taxes.
Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party.
She and fellow Democrats, not the president, can approve any budget they
want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto.
REPLACE THE SCOUNDRELS! It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300
million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -
of incompetence and irresponsibility.
I can't think of a single domestic problem, from an unfair tax code to
defense overruns, that is not traceable directly to those 545 people When
you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise power of the
federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want
to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget
is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the
Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ.
There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people
shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can
abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to
regula
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take this power.
Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exist
disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation" or "politics"
that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone,
have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess.
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Posted by: pangea on Aug 18, 2008 7:42 PM
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take this power.
Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exist
disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation" or "politics"
that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone,
have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess.
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Posted by: hayduke1 on Aug 9, 2008 12:10 AM
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let the truth prevail
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 9, 2008 12:22 AM
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What we have is a duopoly. At best the democrats will leave a few more crumbs on the table.
We still haven't hit the bottom of the hole folks ... cause we haven't even stopped digging.
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There ya go - exactly as predicted by the "cynical old fogeys", who are pretty familiar with the smell of rotten fish.
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Posted by: nochicagoboys on Aug 9, 2008 2:16 AM
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As I've been posting, on this very forum, for at least the last year. Obama is no different than McCain; McCain is no different than Obama. The Democratic Party is no different than they Republican Party; the G.O.P. is no different than the Democratic Party. They're just two separate wings of the same party -- the Corporatist Party; the truly unitary party system that dominates America today.
C'mon folks, use your brain, and rid yourselves of those delusional ideas that, "Life's going to be great again, if only Senator Obama can win the presidency! You'll see!" If this article doesn't finally lay it out for you, in black-and-white, than you're beyond hope. Why people -- average people, middle-class people, working class people, living paycheck-to paycheck people, continue to place their bets on Senator Obama, is beyond me. Unfortunately, enough won't read Mr. Taibbi's article, and certainly, enough won't read the article to make a difference.
It's time to rethink this whole process, folks, if you haven't already. It's time to start thinking, seriously, about leaving both wings of the Corporatist Party behind, and finding a party (or person) that stands-up for you. Because, the way it is now, it certainly does not. The way it is now, it's business as usual.
Good luck.
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» Yellow is right . . .
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» President of Nothing
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» So who does make the decisions? . . .
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» Other decisions have been made . . .
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» Slave's rights?????
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» Voting For Obama vs. Supporting Obama
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» Um you do know Obama plans to defend Israel and leave thousands of troops in the Middle East?
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 9, 2008 3:03 AM
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Not surprising to me, Matt Taibbi never talked about the greatest threat to his own personal liberty -- the 225 subversive PNAC members (signatories), including Unfit McCain, who influence the federal government and U.S. military-industrial complex.
I spent two years researching Bill Kristol's rightwing extremist organization and know the fascist bastards like my brother. PNAC is the Bush administration's evil-minded Wizard of Oz and it will continue in that role under a McCain administation.
A small example of PNAC power is the Carlyle Group, mentioned in Taibbi's article.
In the run-up to our invasion of Iraq, which PNAC began promoting in 1998, the private investment fund was managed by PNAC signatory Frank Carlucci, former Reagan Secretary of Defense.
Not coincidentally during the late 1990s and well into the Bush 43 administration, the Carlyle Group made humongus profits on no-bid DOD contracts, of which George H.W. Bush, a Carlyle partner, got a lion's share -- to be inherited by his no-talent first son.
By the way, PNAC's Web site is not longer active because someone didn't pay the hosting fees. But that won't stop you from learning about the treasonous organization, if you click on: PNAC
With love,
*Hugh E. Scott, 73, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican and rabid neocon-hater.
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain
*For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors.
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» OBAMA isn't a PNAC member, beautful. Plus he's faithful to his wife and Unfit McCain wasn't!
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» RE: GO OBAMA!
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» So what have you done, nochicagoboys, to advance your leftwing anarchist beliefs?
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» RE: So what have you done, nochicagoboys, to advance your leftwing anarchist beliefs?
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» And I applaud you for it, oregoncharles. Keep up the good work!
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» RE: Thanks, Hugh.
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» Leftwing anarchist beliefs? No, more like anti-corporatist beliefs...
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» You still didn't answer the question.
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» Obama and the Democrats, to be fair,
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» RE: Bill Clinton
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» Where's your PROOF, oregoncharles? Hyperbole (meaningless bullshit) doesn't count.
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» RE: Where's your PROOF, oregoncharles? Hyperbole (meaningless bullshit) doesn't count.
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» What PROOF do you have that Obama will "torture, wiretap, murder, kidnap...?" NONE!
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» RE: What PROOF do you have that Obama will "torture, wiretap, murder, kidnap...?" NONE!
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» I know this. Unlike Obama, Unfit McCain is a womanizing scumbag with room-temperature IQ,
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» "Unfit" Hugh on baseless character calls.
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» RE: What PROOF do you have that Obama will "torture, wiretap, murder, kidnap...?" NONE!
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» Have to disagree . . .
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» I'm 73, cwilsondrum. I don't have time to get depressed!
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» RE: GO OBAMA!
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» Don't give up, LOVELYT. Keep on blogging and tell your friends and family, too.
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» RE: GO OBAMA!
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» posthaste
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Posted by: williameon on Aug 9, 2008 5:12 AM
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Go grass roots.
Circumvent the Evil Ratschild Plague
All the Talking Heads
And
Dark Mercenary Armies
Can never sell the people into
Slavery again.
Go local.
Cut out the corpirate middleman.
Kick Oil
The Fossil Fuel Age will die with
The Zio-whore gas bags
Bush/Chainey
May the door hit them in the ass and
Children slap them in the face.
Barter
Create
Go GREEN
Go organic
Survive
and
Prosper.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Aug 9, 2008 6:02 AM
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In other words, the entire system is a sham FASCIST state that poses at "democracy" and "capitalism" where neither has existed for generations.
This was made transparently clear on a particular tuesday 9/11 that ranks as the most grotesque and proven criminal coverup in modern history for its equally ugly 9/11 "war on terror" genocide monster. An event Taibbi and other well-paid MSM drones never questioned as they continue to promote the official DC travesty coverup and denounced anyone who dare point out the sham of the century.
In other words, it isn't "Big Business" that owns the "presidency" and a Washington-MSM axis but “The Owners” behind one monopoly FASCIST corporate crime state.
Of course, you'd never learn that from the likes of the Rolling Stone, the pretend counter-culture touchstone. No, it's just a random collection of "Big Business" suits that occasionally go off the reservation. That's the post 9/11 comic book worldview we get sold from one year to the next.
Meanwhile, it is organized Fascist reality on the ground that supposed maverick Taibbi and his MSM sellout choir will never acknowledge much less report.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 9, 2008 6:23 AM
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So WHO's big Donors and 'Advisors' Are these currnetly listed under Obama's campaign. Could they be the ones who HillaBilly 'released to Help Sen Obama'. Wouldn't the appearance of Corp influence work to Hillary's advantage too- undermining Sen Obama's 'Change ' message? Would that help solidify the 'Lefts' assistance in defenting this Dem candidate Again?
consider the fact Hillary could have had her machine work just as hard against Obama as the Neo Cons.thus giving her the opening in'12. Also consider if her machine was able to not only infiltrate, but kneecap Sen Obama's run from the inside, letting it be seen as a 'sell out'.
So Hillary has handed Obama an double edged sword- take my 'friends' or I'll have them work against You. I can only hope Obama has seen the treason of the Clintons against him, Party and the Country and is soaking them for all he can to Win and avoid Hillary's grab for power in'12.The Clintons ARE Corp Covert Operatives, It's taken this old supporter the last few years to stop accepting THEIR flavor of Koolaid.
That is why I am all in flavor of Obama proving Patriotism is color Blind and names Sen Check Hagel as his VP- Fuck the Corps who have infiltrated both parties
Obama/Hagel '08
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» Obomba
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» How about some FACTS about Obama instead of hyperbole (meaningless bullshit)?_
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Posted by: Godfather89 on Aug 9, 2008 6:25 AM
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Look at it this way: When talk about prosperity, freedom, and security their really talking to the people in charge of creating the NWO and that you kinda are just in between them talking.
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JT
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Posted by: chlamor on Aug 9, 2008 6:52 AM
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Let’s see where this candidate gets his money to convince you to vote for him;
Barack Obama:
Goldman Sachs $421,763 Ubs Ag $296,670 Lehman Brothers $250,630 National Amusements Inc $245,843 JP Morgan Chase & Co $243,848 Sidley Austin LLP $226,491 Citigroup Inc $221,578 Exelon Corp $221,517 Skadden, Arps Et Al $196,420 Jones Day $181,996 Harvard University $172,324 Citadel Investment Group $171,798 Time Warner $155,383 Morgan Stanley $155,196 Google Inc $152,802 University of California $143,029 Jenner & Block $136,565 Kirkland & Ellis $134,738 Wilmerhale Llp $119,245 Credit Suisse Group $118,250
We hear it all the time: “Republicans are the party of big business and Democrats are the party of the people.” Court rulings have even endorsed the idea that spending cash in support of candidates is “free speech.” There sure is a ton of money being spent for something that is "free."
For more than 20 years now, polls of the American people repeatedly have shown that a majority of Americans believe their government is controlled by special interests. Can anyone honestly assert that there is no connection between campaign cash and the policies of the US Government? Does anyone truly believe this?
In his Super Tuesday speech, Mr. Obama asserted that he isn’t taking money from PAC’s during his presidential campaign. While this is true, he nevertheless has received huge amounts of campaign cash from individuals associated with certain industries.
Take a look at the information available OpenSecrets.org website.
Ask yourself these questions after reviewing the statistics:
1. Which party is the party of big business (hint: they both are)?
2. Do you believe campaign cash has a direct impact on legislation and policy?
3. Do you believe either McCain or Obama is free to act on behalf of the American people instead of catering to corporate America?
How can liberal Democrats decry the infusion of corporate cash into the political process when both Clinton and Obama have received more industry campaign cash than their Republican opponent? How can the Democratic Party be the “party of the people” when they, too, are funded by corporations and their lobbyists? If you're an advocate of "lesser of the evils" voting, understand that you're endorsing a corporate-funded agenda.
Big business likes things just the way they are. They get what they want in Washington at your expense. If you're hoping for change, voting for corporate-funded candidates is not the way. The rich will get richer while the poor get poorer. Corporations will prosper while the US Treasury goes bankrupt. Solutions to real problems like addiction to oil, global warming, decaying infrastructure, affordable healthcare, declining literacy rates, and a real social safety net cannot happen when government caters to profit-seeking corporations instead of the American people.
What we’re left with is truly the best democracy money can buy. As we all know, or should know, that’s no democracy at all.
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Meanwhile, Obama's presidential run has been "assisted" by more than $2 million from the health care sector and nearly $400,000 from the insurance industry through October of 2007. Obama received $708,000 from medical and insurance interests between 2001 and 2006.
And Obama's sixth largest contributor is Exelon, the proud Chicago-based owner and operator of more nuclear power plants than any entity on earth.
Go figure.
As for his "lobbyist ban," last August the Los Angeles Times reported that Obama "raised more than $1 million in the first three months of his presidential campaign from law firms and companies that have major lobbying operations in the nation's capital." Campaign finance expert Stephen Weissman observed that this raised troubling questions about the practical relevance of Obama's much-ballyhooed pledge to turn down donations from "federal lobbyists."
Obama's rise to national prominence and presidential viability has in fact depended significantly on PAC and lobbyist money.
To give one example, Obama received $33,000 in the first quarter of 2007 from the Atlanta-based law firm Alston & Bird, which maintains a large lobbying division in Washington. Obama's $33,000 came bundled from a number of "consultants" employed by the firm.
Also deleted from Obama's "ban" are state lobbyists. Obama took $2000 from two Springfield, Illinois lobbyists for Exelon, which spent $500,000 to influence policy in Washington in 2006 and gave $160,000 directly to Obama.
An especially big dent in the armor of Obama's effort to sell himself as the noble repudiator of lobbyist, PAC, and special interest money generally was inflicted in early August of 2007. That's when the Boston Globe published a widely circulated article titled "PACs and Lobbyists Aided Obama's Rise: Data Contrast With His Theme." Globe reporter Scott Helman reviewed campaign finance records to find that a "more complicated truth" lurked "behind Obama's campaign rhetoric." Obama's rise to national prominence and presidential viability, Helman discovered, depended significantly on PAC and lobbyist money, including large sums from "defense contractors, law firms and the securities and insurance industries" to his own powerful PAC "Hopefund." Of special interest was Helman's determination that Obama was retaining close and lucrative funding relationships with leading Washington-based lobbyists and lobbying firms while technically avoiding direct contributions from those key campaign finance players.
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Underneath just as corrupt, bought, paid for and controled by the same people as the other guy. But he looks good! He looks the way we want a president, the image of our nation, to look.
The man who was bottom of his class, thinks war is great, dropped bombs on people and is so obviosly immoral, corrupt, racist and ignorant will lose the "election" (another great irony - the greatest domocracy has none).
But does'nt he look more like the government he wants to lead?
Perhaps we should be carefull who we pretend to be!
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Posted by: bryangalt on Aug 9, 2008 8:19 AM
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All campaign donations should be discontinued-outlawed-stopped-kaput-period.
This law should apply to every level of government without exception.
A new law would govern the election runs in a simple and orderly manner and would go like this:
Primary Elections:
Any qualified candidate for an elected position shall be granted airtime in the local broadcast market covering the district/state where the primary is located for the period prior to the election day with the following formula:
Presidential candidates: 5 minutes per day/two weeks
Senate/Reps: 3 min day/two weeks
State Sen/Reps: 2 min day/1 week
Local races: 1 min day/ 1 week
General Election
Presidential Candidates: 5 min day/only 4 weeks prior to election
Sen/Reps: 4 min day/4 wks to election
State Sen/Reps: 3 min day/4 wks to election
Local: 2 min day/ 4 wks to election
This airtime would be provided by the TV stations/cable operations as a public service at no charge to the candidates.
Presidential candidates would be provided with government aircraft after they are selected as their parties candidate at no charge to them.
A fund of $500 Million would be used to pay for staff for all candidates in an election year from local to Presidential.
Donations to parties could remain legal, but those donations could not be used for advertising for a candidate.
If the blood supply is cut off to a tumor, the tumor dies and the patient lives.
Cut off the money to the corruption, and we all may just survive as well.
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Posted by: Nicnic on Aug 9, 2008 8:42 AM
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You think you have problems dealing with the bank over fees now just wait until cash is no longer valid. Anyone can then be forced from riches to rags with the flip of the switch once the economy is transacted entirely on an electronic basis. They’ll be able to remove you from society for any arbitrary reason of non-compliance and you’ll have no recourse.
This cashless day is soon upon us unless you start acting now. They are pushing for it as hard as they can. They are lying to you about the advantages of electronic commerce while they make phony rules and restrictions to combat money laundering and terrorism. You have no idea how every purchase, whether at the grocery store or the doctor's office is cataloged, categorized, analyzed and traded and used against you in any number of nefarious ways.
Everything that is wrong with this country stems from the increasingly stringent hold the financial reptiles have over YOUR money. You must start using cash as exclusively as possible. You must vote in the fair tax and before you believe the misinformation about it you’d better actually get the real facts and study it close. And you must decriminalize drugs and here again, you've got to get the real facts behind substance control and the true cost of it to you. Stop overbuying into the false notion that you can afford anything, which has withdrawal consequences as bad as drugs. Go for ownership, not enslavement. Pay everything off as soon as you can. Don't generate financial fees on their behalf because you're an inept consumer. Stop consuming on their behalf.
If you don’t do these things they will eventually end up with all our money and all our guns and we'll be nothing more than amoebas.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 9, 2008 8:50 AM
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Since then Big Business has made sure the only people that ever get talked about are the ones the work for them. Being socially conscious is window dressing to give the appearence working in the best intrest of the people. Under the
cold hand of the American business model we've been given WW2,Korea,Vietman,Central America, Peru,Lebenon,Iran/Contra,support of the Tailban against the Russians in Afghanistan,yeah Bin Laden too,Desert Storm,the no fly zones,The Balkins,Iraq 2 and a dart toss at the World map for the next Big
Business sponsored insurection.
How do you think a candidate get a quarter of a billion dollars in contributions or for that
matter the DNC and the RNC getting Hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions.
Big Business is the real Terrorist. This is the real threat to World Peace and stability. The answer to this global as well as national threat is to put someone in office that owes Big Business nothing and is willing to take away their means of operating this game of Corporate Rulership. In short...someone who's willing to slap these jerks with a non-refundable,non-deductable high taxbracket. Without the power that having money gives them
they stop being a problem to the rest of the World.
Some folks may scream 'Job Losses!' but we have enough necessary environmental actions that need doing to replace any 'lost job'. We also have the inteligence to create new abd better jobs that don't support world domination but rather World Elevation. The only way we're going to get there is by eliminating the Big Business/Government connections for it is they who've sent you family off to die in an illegal and imoral vendetta strike in Iraq by the Bush Family Mafia.
Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: sausage on Aug 9, 2008 8:54 AM
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Face it, Paris Hilton's class--and let us not forget that the Kennedy clan is also a member in good standing of the trust fund babies set--dominates the economy, so whether we get a President Obama or President McCain next January, "her" energy plan well be the one we get.
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Aug 9, 2008 8:55 AM
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FISA was bad enough but had national security implications about which he is seen as vulnerable...
But remaining silent as to the criminal manipulation of the Futures and Commodities Market is not only abdicating his place as the head for the most part of the Democratic party but a betrayal of the working and average public suffering due to this the biggest swindle in history...
Now Goldman Sachs has given Obama through bundling over $622,000 and Morgan Stanley nearly $300,000 and they are amongst the biggest players in this insider trading on the Oil market...
Why is Obama taking money from these people he has supporters that believe in him as I believed in John Edwards, who would easily give him more than that if he only asked..!
Obama also took money from UBS which is under criminal investigation over the sub prime scandal and rip off..!
I'm glad Mike wrote this article and much of it I have known...
Obama could lose the election due to his being mute on these vital issues of energy and the Republican Deregulation of our markets..
He would be so much stronger without this tainted money...and could actually be a candidate for change which I never saw in him anyway..
Still he's got my vote just to stop McCain and the Republicans as the lessor evil...
Sorry but that's the best that I can do when it comes to this guy Obama..
If he was being straight with the American people over the issues speaking out hard and fighting as to the real reason for the high Gas and Oil Prices he be further ahead in the polls where he belongs..
Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley and UBS are millstones that are dragging him and his campaign down..not lifting it up..!
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Sadly, in the USA the only non-bloodshed answer is collective voter rebellion throwing ALL rascals out. Such highly unlikly action would, like impeachment, restore a belief in people power and wipe the slate clean. As an angry WWII/Korean vet I have little hope that the sheeple will shed a fascination with TV drivel and start shouting.
I grieve for my grandchildren! UGH, YUK, and PUKE!
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Posted by: civilsociety on Aug 9, 2008 9:00 AM
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I included a header that said when Obama decide to catch up to progressives he would then not need all this money. In the interim I am leaning heavily toward voting for a black woman (McKinney/Green) for president or possibly after 56 years not voting at all.
When the American public begins to vote for the candidate that raises the leas amount of money will we be able to take our form of government back into the people's hands. Until then all we are is voting for the lesser of two evils and supporting the multinational corporate stranglehold on our future.
So who are you voting for?
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 9, 2008 9:17 AM
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Over time, people were frustrated and beginning in the late 1960s or one could say 1980, more people thought “Well? We might as well be stuck with raw deal cons because we’ve had it with those “liberals” for not living up to their promises but instead letting the social/economic “conservatives” control the Democratic Party.” We need to elect REAL progressives and liberals who really are what they claim regardless of party. The two party duopoly is what’s killing America.
The Democrats were the ones who also joined the GOP in overtaxing Cannabis and then in 1970, allowed Nixon to create the taxpayer money choking DEA to keep it illegal despite its true benefits. The Democratic Party is way too dysfunctional to even get its own identity straight much less grow a backbone and fight back. At no time these past few decades did the liberals ever infiltrate the GOP although there were some civil libertarian minded Republicans even in the 1970s. The Obama hacks are just plain desperate to simply have Democrats in power and want us to forget that the party has been nothing but a kissup to the GOP and is working harder than ever to out GOP the GOP. The Democrats should vote for the people’s interests and not for the corporate interests. If they would ever try that, the party hacks wouldn’t have to beg people to simply vote Democrat because the Democrats would have been more appealing to the voters naturally than is the case. Sorry Obama hacks but like Gore and Kerry, people are sick and tired of being begged upon to accept artificial BULLSHIT. Either force your Democratic Party to come clean and quit letting the conservatives in the party have their say or just let the party die as we’re already stuck with a one party system that just so happens to have 2 names, Democrat and Republican !!
RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT !!!!
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» 9-11 would not have happened in 2000 if Ralph Nader had been president because
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» Very interesting thought. Surprisingly, Nader is also sympathetic with other religions too.
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Posted by: mgloraine on Aug 9, 2008 9:21 AM
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Since Obama clearly sold out to the telecoms on FISA, and as he is presently selling out to the oil companies over offshore drilling, Democrats should begin to understand that their corporate candidate is as much a greedy, corrupt tool of the capitalists as McCain. But he is only one guy with one vote in the Senate. It took a lot more votes than one to pass FISA (and repeal the fourth amendment in the process). And it will take more than Obama's vote to capitulate to the oil companies and hand over the last wildlife preserve for them to obliterate for profit.
How many people in Congress voted for FISA? That's how many Congress-persons were paid off by the telecoms. How many will vote for offshore drilling? Likewise, that's how many have been bribed by Big Oil.
It is obvious to even the least sophisticated of voters that retroactive immunity for the telecoms and offshore drilling for the oil companies are NOT in the interest of ANYONE in this country except for the corporate execs receiving the handouts. And yet, Democratic legislators are in a daily competition to see who can sell out the quickest and to the uttermost extent. It's hard to pick a winner between Steny Hoyer, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, et al., scurrying to concoct a "compromise" (i.e., capitulation) whenever a corporate lobbyist waves a checkbook at them.
It is truly despicable for our Presidential candidates to be taking sides with the billionaires and against the ordinary citizens of this country. But it has been the greed and corruption of Congress which has brought about the downfall of the United States. Perhaps God will forgive them for destroying our country and our way of life, but I won't.
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Posted by: SocraticGadfly on Aug 9, 2008 11:32 AM
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Look, we all knew this was coming. Once Obama vanquished Hillary Clinton, it was inevitable that his campaign would start roping in the Clinton moneymen for the fall confrontation with McCain.
This is just the flip side of what McCain worshipers are claiming, saying that, before this year, Schmuck Talk Express™ wasn’t actually, well, Schmuck Talk Express™.
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Posted by: Lauren on Aug 9, 2008 5:17 PM
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I guess people are wondering about it.
Wonder no longer - the Bush administration is the anti-christ. 7 year reign, hello? False promises? Delivered. He was full of them. Don't forget, every character in the play is not only disguised to look different then you expect, but the story is also completely made up. It is a fiction.
As far as doing a Rapture, I really do know how to do that.
If anyone thinks they will fly out of their clothes and up into the air... that is NOT going to happen. If you believe that nonsense, you have been seriously had by one of those false profits they warn folks about.
Now, how about attending to our REAL problems. We have serious issues to deal with, like ending some wars, saving the economy and the ecology of the planet. That is the priority. That, and ending the stupid drug war.
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Posted by: YRM on Aug 9, 2008 6:27 PM
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Bush's Third Term (TheCityEdition.com)
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Posted by: opmoc on Aug 9, 2008 7:07 PM
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You Might Try and Blame The Jews - Ie Even The Fucking English
But We KNOW You Brought It On Yourselves
So Fucking Behave
How Could You Do it?
American People ARE LOVELY
Its American People Who Did 9/11
I know its a shock
But live with it - and put
The President of America
ON TRIAL
For War Crimes Against Humanity
I know he is innicent - and had no knowledge of what was going to happen
George Bush is actually a nice human being
But he still needs to go on trial for war crimes against humanity
I don't honestly think he is guilty personally
But the trial will bring out all the evidence of who is
Love & Peace
The Band tonight were awesome and so was the party afterwards
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What does it take - A Canadian Woman To Show You Some Balls?
What a pathetic bunch of American wankers
To still be sucking up to mummy's breasts and yet incapable to take on The REAL EVIL of the american fascists who control you
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But someone has nicked the backdoor key
What was the point?
We invited absolutely everyone back to our home after the gig
Why should anyone want to steal the key to the back door?
Thats the only lock we've got
The thing is - when it gets windy - the door blows open
Its not a big deal - I am just somewhat puzzled .
Tony & Julie
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And I put on something that I knew they would all instantly HATE
Cos The English Are Very Territorial
So I Put On
Lo Cor De La Plana
Well Fuck Me That seemed to Work
Tony
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That says it all.
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Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Aug 10, 2008 8:23 AM
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Two fundamental principles of democracy fail to operate in a system where both candidates are beholden to corporate donors. The principle that government is "for the people" is no longer true when the President ignores their interests. Even though their is another member of the legislative branch, Congress, it too is almost always beholden to corporate interests as well, or the president can thwart their efforts to serve the public a la Bush.
The second principle is the imperative of choice in a democracy where the voters can turn to another party if they are dissatisfied with the one in power. Not possible in America. They can vote for business candidate one or business candidate two. Despite the efforts to separate themselves on policy during the election campaign, they will fly their true colors once in office.
Americans live in system which is not that dissimilar to the old Soviet Union where elections were but only Communist Party members were allowed on the ballot and when the election was over, the winners seved the interests of the communist party. What's the difference? Forget about freedom of speech because it and $1.00 will buy you a cup off coffee in the American system.
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Posted by: ThirdOption on Aug 10, 2008 10:39 AM
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Reject the duopoly, support a third option!
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Posted by: suzdav2 on Aug 10, 2008 1:13 PM
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There is a big difference between him and Obama on Social Security, Health Care and taxes, no matter WHO is funding their campaigns.
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Posted by: FrankChurch on Aug 10, 2008 1:23 PM
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He also nails those disgraces on the left, who are part of the awful 9/11 truther movement. The left should surely part ways with irrational people.
Love me some Taibbi.
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» I agree that the "War On Terror" is bogus.
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Posted by: PaulC on Aug 10, 2008 1:57 PM
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One strategy that I have embraced: fund the enviro and civic groups instead of the Dems directly, and let the enviro's help elect Dems, getting Rethugs out while giving enviro's the credit!
Meanwhile, on a longer term horizon, keep supporting the Greens who should see a renaissance based upon the massive shift in public awareness of green issues brought about by global warming and rising gas prices.
In return, Greens have to be smart enough to see the opportunity, and tie their success to the economic success promised by a Renewable Energy Manhattan-project to ween the country off fossil fuels, together with conservation efforts.
The Greens should make their name synonymous with a brighter future for all (which is precisely what the coal industry has been doing over the past couple of years, equating "clean coal" with renewable energy).
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: suzdav2 on Aug 10, 2008 4:43 PM
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Are you an undercover RNC operative or what?
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on Aug 10, 2008 5:39 PM
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Corporate America has won,at least for the moment.Neither candidate represents a challenge to the greed,crush and squeeze system,as if the Republicans would anyway.In a world of a billion ideas,with multifarious models to choose from,America's voters have two identical parties to choose from,both of which have been molded in the corporate image.
With no chance of a fair election,and no point in voting,why legitimise the current manufactured consensus by choosing either big party candidate?
Until the illusion of the Democratic Party offering any hope,clears from people's minds,then American's are condemned to repeatly legitimate a system that is the enemy of the working and middle classes.
As a force for good The Dems are dead,redundant,kaput.There is a growing,though albeit at the moment relatively small,number of discontented radicals,liberals,constitutionalists, and even honest Bush hating conservatives, who could be prepared to link up,and discuss alternatives to the DemPublican (or RepoCrats ,take your pick) party..
The discontent rages from left (Chomskyites ,Naderites,greens etc )to right (Alex Jones,Ron Paul supporters etc ),and all shades in between..
In the meantime backing and campaigning, for the organisation No in November, looks the most honest,and least destructive option..at least in terms of not getting hoodwinked.
If you are so minded then look up "No in November" online,if you haven't already,it could be worthwhile for anyone sick of the lies,deceit and stitch ups of US politics...
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» Not Voting Isn't Subversive
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» Not Voting is the Most Subversive Thing You Can Do.
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Posted by: Jah Dick on Aug 10, 2008 9:57 PM
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It may not be much of a solution, but the day after the election would at least be an interesting one.
Something I can't say about the last 12 presidential elections that I've voted in.
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Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Aug 11, 2008 9:23 AM
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It would be heartwarming to think that a candidate, such as Obama, would have the balls to rake in all the money from the corporatocracy that he can and, once in office, in a moment of supreme poetic justice, turn the tables on the bastards and stand up for the rank and file, not the elite.
It won't happen. No one man, however well-intentioned, can possibly do this now. The problem is systemic, like a cancer, and only amputation by catastrophe and civil disobedience is likely to make any impact.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 11, 2008 1:53 PM
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Posted by: posthaste on Aug 11, 2008 5:14 PM
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Just what candidate would have suited you if any?
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Posted by: pangea on Aug 18, 2008 7:30 PM
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THE 545 PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR AMERICA'S WOES By Charles Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then
campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are
against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the
politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and
high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I
don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The
House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code. Congress
does. You and I don't set fiscal policy. Congress does. You and I don't
control monetary policy. The Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme Court
justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million - are directly, legally,
morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague
this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem
was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional
duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered but private
central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason They
have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a
congressman or a president to do one cotton- picking thing. I don't care if
they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the
power to accept or reject it.
No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility
to determine how he votes.
A CONFIDENCE CONSPIRACY Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy
convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in
this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive
amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a SPEAKER, who
stood up and criticized G.W. BUSH for creating deficits.
The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to
accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives
sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and
approving appropriations and taxes.
Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party.
She and fellow Democrats, not the president, can approve any budget they
want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto.
REPLACE THE SCOUNDRELS! It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300
million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -
of incompetence and irresponsibility.
I can't think of a single domestic problem, from an unfair tax code to
defense overruns, that is not traceable directly to those 545 people When
you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise power of the
federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want
to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget
is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the
Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ.
There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people
shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can
abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to
regula
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Posted by: pangea on Aug 18, 2008 7:34 PM
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take this power.
Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exist
disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation" or "politics"
that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone,
have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess.
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Posted by: pangea on Aug 18, 2008 7:42 PM
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take this power.
Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exist
disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation" or "politics"
that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone,
have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to
manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess.
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