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Bottled Water: The Height of Stupidity
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Next, Attorneys General everywhere should require recycling of all plastic bottles and containers by requiring deposits to be paid to encourage returns, as is the case with aluminum cans. Not only do society and the environment pay an unfair price for this consumer hoax, but consumers are being hoodwinked. They are paying from 300 to 3,000 times more than the cost of tap water without any benefit.
An estimate by a University of Toronto geology professor Andrew Miall, who took a picture of a grocery store skid of bottled water and calculated the extent of the ripoff, found the stack of bottles:
- Contains 24,192 bottles, each containing 500 ml of water, a total of 12,096 liters of water, in 314.5 kg of plastic
- Purchase price of the $4.99 per 24-bottle pack is $0.42 per liter for a total retail value of $5,029.92
- To purchase the same volume of water in bulk through Toronto's domestic water supply would cost $16.93
The scam
The water is usually not superior to "city" water or tap water, and is merely a big branding hoax by soda makers. In some cases, this "designer" water is drawn from tap water and labeled for suckers to buy as though it is a superior product.
Dasani in Britain was caught doing this. There are not regulations or proper labeling requirements governing bottled water as there is involving tap water. Some water may be contaminated.
Bottles of water are not fluoridated which has been created tooth decay problems among youngsters and adults who avoid tap water.
There are indications that the plastic may contain harmful carcinogens.
Bottles of water are mini gas guzzlers
One expert estimated that the amount of petroleum -- used to make the bottles, transport, refrigerate, collect and bury them -- would fill one-third of each bottle.
These plastic bottles are creating landfill problems worldwide, and are washing up on beautiful beaches around the planet.
What's wrong with using filters, if people are concerned about local water supplies, and refillable bottles?
Another stupidity
A real estate developer explained the idiocy of ordering bottled water in restaurants. He said bylaws require special water filtration systems be installed so that their "tap water" is safer than any.
Of course, there's always those who want fancy sparkling or soda water, but that's another issue. About the only justification for bottled water is in developing countries where water supplies are decidedly unsafe or untrustworthy.
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Posted by: aussidawg on Aug 6, 2008 3:50 PM
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Posted by: oftomorrow on Aug 6, 2008 9:55 PM
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Ah, yet another reason why I despise HuffPost. Not only is this sentence grammatically flawed, it is a major load of bullshit. I honestly would be shocked to see any research that might support such an outrageous claim. In fact, just about everything I've read says there's no correlation between the rate of tooth decay in a given area and whether or not the water supply is fluoridated.
Fluorides are highly poisonous compounds which when consumed produce adverse effects on the brain, endocrine and immune systems.
Drink Distilled.
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Posted by: aouie01 on Aug 7, 2008 12:09 AM
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Sincerely,
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Posted by: unionforever on Aug 7, 2008 10:03 AM
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Sure, it's wasteful, and anybody who buys it in place of tap water is being foolish. But how is bottled water different from any bottled or canned soft drink, or from anything that Coors, Miller, and Busch sell by the tons? It's all made from water, it's all at least as bad for your health as any water could possibly be, and it all creates waste and pollution. What am I missing?
I see a lot of unnecessarily overweight people in this country, and I'm pretty sure that their problem isn't that they've been drinking too much bottled water.
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» WATER PURIFICATION
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Aug 8, 2008 8:36 PM
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Aug 9, 2008 3:04 AM
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At some point I figured: I had already been drinking tap water for the first 20 years of my life, so any damage had already been done. And like the article suggests, does any smart consumer honestly think that zillions of gallons of bottled water come from a pure mountain stream in some pristine corner of the Alps?
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Posted by: socialpsych on Aug 9, 2008 3:43 AM
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Fast forward to the present: the baby bottles that turned into sip cups have turned into water bottles and cell phones.
Somehow during the Reagan years a green light went on giving people permission to regress to their most infantile, dependent, and thoughtless.
Stupidity, indeed.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 9, 2008 3:57 AM
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» For that reason, we periodically buy a new case of Avian at Costco, but your idea is better. Thanks
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Posted by: RJ Kruger on Aug 9, 2008 5:54 AM
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Where I live, tap water is retrieved from an aquifer and artesian sources. Additionally, the local water company sends a chemical compostition report to all homes annually. I am thrilled to see this story because I have been looked at as "nuts" for my opinion that buying bottled water is totally unnecessary. It is incredibly disturbing and sad to think of the waste of resources--plastic manufacturing/bottling, packaging other than the bottles, transportation and distributing, displaying, INK and paper for advertising snake oil...oops, water. Enough said.
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Posted by: vkobaya1 on Aug 9, 2008 6:02 AM
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I currently live in Anaheim, and when I moved here in 1978 the water was undrinkable, but over the years improved in qaulity until now I would put it against the high Sierra water available in the western part of Los Angeles, excellent water. Of course, turns out the water in Anaheim is ground water that is treated by reverse osmosis as well as filtration.
Most people really can't tell the difference between good and bad water and bottled water is still a very big seller in Anaheim. When I moved here I used to buy filtered water, but it is no longer necessary as the were here is now excellent.
Regarding fluorides, back in the 50s, nutnicks used to claim it was a Communist plot. Now it is an evil right wing plot. Come on, give me a break. Yeah, floride is toxic in high enough concentrations, but so are many other compounds in water and it is no worse than those other substances. I'm a chemist and know of no reputable chemist who says florides are poisonous.
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Posted by: Godfather89 on Aug 9, 2008 6:39 AM
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However I am one who is suspicious of fluoride in the tap water. I will brush my teeth and that's it for healthier teeth.
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Posted by: KimHayes on Aug 9, 2008 6:45 AM
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Posted by: ellie on Aug 9, 2008 8:11 AM
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hubby retired from water treatment/waste water, in another area of the country, a few years ago... water is tested every hour by on site lab for purity and contaminants... he would go down to the outlet pipe on his own time to check the fish and plants... if everyone there was happy, he was happy... only problems were when a guy nicknamed 'whitewater bill' was working and tap water was kinda milky... hubby would call down to water dept from the house and tell him to knock it off with the chemical treatment stuff and within an hour, water was back to good stuff...
water dept had several pushy pop companies try to get in on bottling through the local water system and all hell broke loose!!! got them kicked out and carefully metered to the point that the water dept knew if it was the usual pop production or if they were sneaking off with tap water as bottled water... big fines to them that defied the water dept to the point of being threatened to have taps turned off till they learned to behave... they behaved...
decent water is not a commodity to be exploited for profit, but a human need
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Posted by: solangel on Aug 9, 2008 8:33 AM
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It IS a crime, tho, that the bottleing of this precious liquid is done by unscrupulous companies who continue their obscene corporate practises in the way they are allowed to do. That is the problem, not the bottle of water itself.
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Posted by: texas grrrrl on Aug 9, 2008 8:37 AM
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Posted by: DaveT on Aug 9, 2008 9:03 AM
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The LA Department of Water and Power insists that tap water is cleaner than bottled water. Municipal buildings probably have $50,000 filtration systems built in. Their tap water doesn't make them gag, therefore everyone should drink tap.
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Posted by: wireup on Aug 9, 2008 9:11 AM
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Tap water contains chlorine and, in many cases, fluoride -both DISASTERS for the health of the body. Don't take my word for it. Do your own research.
In addition, as was recently discovered, there are all sorts of medications in tap water, drugs which have been flushed down into the water table. In the city where I live it was discovered that some 25 different drugs are in the water.
So, if we follow the "logic" of the author of this article, we should just go ahead and drink this cesspool and to hell with the consequences.
I used to drink the best-quality bottled water in the US - but it simply became too expensive. And I felt guilty drinking bottled water.
So, I researched and found a British water filter company that makes a variety of filters, including one that takes out the garbage and takes out the fluoride. I like the taste of this water, too. The filters are available in the US:
http://doultonusa.com/
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Posted by: Gonnuts on Aug 9, 2008 9:35 AM
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I swear, you people should think first before you put all these people out of work. Don't we have enough unemployment as it is?
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» adendum!
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Posted by: tlCampbell on Aug 9, 2008 11:06 AM
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Bottled water that isn't from tap, albeit it appears hard to determine at this point, does it contain fluoride and/or chlorine?
How about heavy metal deposits?
My family lives in an old house, 1920's, and I have serious doubts about the quality of the pipe system that our wonderful slumlords are responsible for upgrading. It's the only reason that I pay to have someone refill our water containers each week because there's definitely a taste/quality difference between what's being brought out and what comes from the tap.
The other thing I'd like to know is, why aren't we also hell-bent on beating down the soda bottling companies? There's got to be just as many, if not more, of the same size plastic bottles being tossed out everyday just for people to drink something that isn't even a required consumable for survival.
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» About the 1920s house, when were the pipes last replaced and with what?
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Aug 9, 2008 12:04 PM
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it's really sad how our planet has become a toxic waste dump in just 100 years.
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Posted by: DrDK on Aug 9, 2008 12:08 PM
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Not only are some bottled waters high in fluoride, Gerber's Baby Water, Vichy and Trinity come to mind, there is no evidence whatsoever that swallowed fluoride has any beneficial effects on teeth or that drinking bottled water has led to more tooth decay.
In 2006 Dr. Kathleen Thiessen, a specialist in risk assessment, concluded her service on the National Academy of Science's expert panel reviewing fluoride in drinking water. In 2008 she was invited to explain the NRC's findings to the Metropolitan Water District in LA and given just 5 minutes to explain 3 and a half years of exacting detailed scientific work. She did a marvelous job of explaining exactly why ingested fluoride could and would harm vulnerable subsets of the population.
I have posted her clear and cogent comments on YouTube Poisoned Babies. That makes fluoridation not only stupid but a violation of the safe drinking water act.
Water should be safe for all to drink.
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Posted by: DrDK on Aug 9, 2008 12:36 PM
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While carbon filtration is an excellent idea it does nothing to remove fluoride and very few of the numerous contaminants added to the drinking water by fluoridation with silicofluorides. Silicofluorides are raw untreated hazardous waste byproducts from phosphate fertilizer production and contain substantial amounts of arsenic, lead and other heavy metals.
Even if you love the idea of mass medication with fluoride no one in their right mind would agree to dumping toxic waste in our drinking water yet hydrofluosilicic acid or sodium silicofluoride is used in 91% of the water fluoridation schemes in the US.
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Posted by: Gentle Axeman on Aug 9, 2008 12:45 PM
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Outside of residing in a current disaster area...?
Evian indeed....
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 9, 2008 1:30 PM
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However, I do agree with author that recycling and reusability must be made a top priority. After all, if all these plastics that are made of petroleum are supposed to last longer, then it's high time we the people wake up and make our companies reward us for giving them back their bottles they gave us, have them clean them out, and refill them. That's great for the people and the environment and in the end everybody wins and we can quit choking ourselves to death with more wars for oil for a change.
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» Sorry about the 1980 part. I meant to say older than a decade.
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Posted by: Nasookin on Aug 9, 2008 2:27 PM
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Posted by: artifax on Aug 9, 2008 7:26 PM
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With widespread ignorance of the prevalence of such infection (even among MDs) in the US, and my having learned about sewage being dumped into reservoirs for NYC water when I worked for a water-based environmental group, I'll take my chances on bottled water in the hope that parasites may have been processed/sterilized out. Chlorine in tap water doesn't kill many parasites.
Add to the mix the fact that widespread use of antibiotics can destroy our protections against them, and it makes sense to try to avoid possible sources of parasites.
Having been infected and reinfected a number of times, few people have picked the brains of a parasitologist as I have, so I understand the common ignorance about these critters.
With muni water remaining a wild card in this regard, real standards for bottled water need to be developed. But please don't tell me there's any guarantee that tap is as good or better. Many who say this don't even know what they should be concerned about.
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Posted by: jwentworth on Aug 9, 2008 7:38 PM
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Posted by: gellero1 on Aug 9, 2008 10:54 PM
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A rip off? Hardly. No one forces me to buy it.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Aug 10, 2008 12:04 AM
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the worst water in America is better than the best water in most parts of the world.
All you whiners should be forced to start dipping your cups in the gutter for awhile ten you might appreciate the water out of our taps.
America has got the best plumbing in the world. And even though it has some aging pipes in a lot of old buildings, it's still far above the quality of 90% of the planets urban and rural water well sources.
The real problem with the bottled water is the bottles. If it was bottled in glass there would be no probems out side of the paranoia of floride.
And as for Chlorine. I accidently swallowed a mouthful once and I'm still here and didn't suffer abit beyond fearing the worst. I must say I was surprised when the Poison Control Hot line said , "Don't worry, just drink plenty of water!" (No kidding).
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Posted by: Old Skeptic on Aug 10, 2008 12:24 AM
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I like to buy "reverse osmosis" (filtered) water by the gallon (you can fill them at several different locations in town) and then filter that through a Brita (or other brand) pitcher. It makes the water taste pretty good.
I also buy bottled water on occasion, mainly at convenience stores when it's hot and I'm not heading home to my pitcher of ice water sitting in the fridge. There are better ways to spend money, I'm sure, but there are worse ways too.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 10, 2008 2:31 PM
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What's most important about this situation is the attention being given to water. It is fundemental to our very lives and 46% of it can no longer be made safe to drink,swim,fish or boat in. This provides us with the oportunity for creation of empolyment in the emerging field of Hydro-reclaimation. We need to stop destroying our marshlands,they are natural water purifyers. Creating pure fresh water systems is certainly more important that chasing down the Bush family enemy. What good is being the world's policeman if you have'nt got any water worth drinking?
The more safe water becomes scarce,the more you will see power structures fail, for nothing has more power than a mob that's hungry,thirsty and has nothing to lose. I think we can save ourselves long before it come to that.
WRITE-IN Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming on Aug 10, 2008 2:44 PM
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Dad: "What's in that bottle you've got there?"
Yup: "Spring water."
Dad: "But what was in it *before*?
I have terrific well water in Massachusetts, water from a cistern (that I boil, just is case) in the Bahamas, and use a nifty thermos bottle when I travel. Bottled water never has made much sense to me as a status symbol, but yes, I have tasted the water in Alamosa, CO--once--so can understand it there.
As my dad always said, "Conserve water. Drink your scotch neat."
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Posted by: stellabloo on Aug 10, 2008 7:50 PM
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Copper and lead - municipalities are required to test at point of consumption, so your first line of defense is to call city hall. Metals can be removed by countertop distillation units or in-line reverse osmosis cartridges.
Chlorination and fluoridation - Cl2 has been widely used as a disinfectant, with some concern over the by-products of reaction. Cl2 itself breaks down to water and salt; any noticeable odour is generally due to trihalomethanes (THMs), common chlorination by-products in 'dirty' water. Excess chlorine/chloramines (thought to produce fewer THMs) and THMs can be readily removed by an activated carbon cartridge or pitcher-type purifier. Fluoridation is very costly to implement (due to its high hazard) vs dubious benefit so, again, make your voice heard at city hall.
Bacteria and other pathogens - Generally killed off by chlorination and most definitely by boiling or distillation, if ghardia or crypto is a concern. A few drops of bleach per gallon in emergency will work. Deep wells are protected from contamination but surface wells or private surface water sources should be treated with UV. Small units eg Trojan can be installed inline with a sedimentation filter for maximum effectiveness. Unfortunately, if you have a well affected by sulphur-producing bacteria, you will require a full-blown system i.e. activated carbon/reverse osmosis to deal with the smell.
Pesticides and petrochemicals - Organic compounds adsorb readily onto activated carbon, either a cartridge unit inline or, again, a simple pitcher-type purifier. Watch what you put down your sink - most treatment facilities were never designed to remove these persistent organics and you will end up poisoning your own aquifer or someone else's.
Hardness, colour and odour - Won't kill you. Pitcher-type purifiers have some water softening and work well on taste and odour.
Nitrates - toxic residual from fertilizers is highly soluble and requires reverse osmosis or distillation to remove. Much of Europe's tap water is considered undrinkable largely for this reason, although the new membrane bioreactor technology has potential to clean up the worst water.
Turbidity - visible as particles swimming in the water or sand at the bottom of a bathtub. Other than providing roughage, this is generally only a concern in regard to the disinfection process. High iron waters and systems with a reverse osmosis cartridge would also benefit from a sedimentation filter cartridge. A fine enough filter will eliminate ghiardia/crypto cysts but requires a pressurized system to produce any real volume.
In short, you should look at the exact particulars of your water system and come up with a solution based on your needs and your budget. Your local health agency or village office SHOULD be glad to help with your questions. Water utilites have been not-for-profit because there is no profit in treating water - unless the consumer is being bled at the throat. Fear bred of wilful ignorance, mixed with the convenience of letting others make our choices, play us right into the hands of the carpet-baggers. Whether you drink straight tap water, install your own treatment system, or buy local bottled water in bulk because you can't afford reverse osmosis, at least you can make a informed decision ;.)
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Posted by: Earthian on Aug 10, 2008 8:41 PM
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Another good use of tap water is to put it in bottles and replace meat or other items in the freezer with bottles of water. (Leave about a 10 percent space in the top for expansion.) A full freezer is more efficient and lasts longer when the power is out than a partially empty freezer.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 11, 2008 6:57 AM
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Fluoridization is safe and proven in scientific (emphasize that word) study after study. It occurs naturally in water.
I think sometimes Alternet has been taken over by a bunch of Lyndon LaRouche types.
The really wacky one is that fluoride "causes aluminum to cross the brain-blood barrier" and causes Alzheimer's. Totally unproven and chemically/biologically impossible.
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Posted by: Jim Shaw on Aug 11, 2008 9:24 AM
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I have my own filtration system at home, and I try to mostly drink that water, but sometimes when I'm out and about, I purchase bottled water. A big reason is that I want to avoid chlorides, which indiscriminately kill bacteria. This is a bad thing because according to recent research, many bacteria in the alimentary canal perform valuable functions. They help with digestion, keep bad organisms in check, and support immune function.
I guess I don't know that bottled water doesn't contain chlorides, but it doesn't taste like chlorine the way fountain water and restaurant water often do.
Also, regarding reuse of plastic bottles, I saw a news report recently that indicated that plastic bottles release toxic compounds when washed in hot water. The "expert" that was interviewed recommended NOT reusing plastic bottles.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 11, 2008 2:36 PM
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We pay for water yes, and unfortunately, our water providers are not doing what they need to be, in order to protect our own supply. In many cases the lines are aging. Do you notice that in winter how many pipes burst! They want you to believe it's due to the cold - NO, it's because the pipes are old, if they have been replaced they were replaced with faulty parts!
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Posted by: ezclearwater on Aug 12, 2008 9:43 AM
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Posted by: ponderz on Aug 22, 2008 4:20 AM
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Posted by: ponderz on Aug 22, 2008 4:30 AM
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it is true that 'experts' in most all areas of life do not all agree with one another. i don't care what their titles are, just show me the data.
we can all choose to close our eyes to whatever we want. we can adopt whatever view provides convenience and makes us 'comfy'. at least unless or until those privileges are taken away from us in some way or another.
i appreciate the data and information shared.
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