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Why Obama Could be in Trouble
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But there are reasons -- beyond understandable concerns about Barack Obama's limited experience -- that make a McCain victory possible, indeed maybe probable.
Here is one of the big ones: The U.S. news media is as bad as ever, arguably worse.
On Monday, Obama gave a detail-rich speech on how he would address the energy crisis, which is a major point of concern among Americans. From ideas for energy innovation to retrofitting the U.S. auto industry to conservation steps to limited new offshore drilling, Obama did what he is often accused of not doing, fleshing out his soaring rhetoric.
McCain responded with a harsh critique of Obama's calls for more conservation, claiming that Obama wants to solve the energy crisis by having people inflate their tires. McCain's campaign even passed out a tire gauge marked as Obama's energy plan.
For his part, McCain made clear he wanted to drill for more oil wherever it could be found and to build many more nuclear power plants.
These competing plans offered a chance for the evening news to address an issue of substance that is high on the voters' agenda. Instead, NBC News anchor Brian Williams devoted 30 seconds to the dueling energy speeches, without any details and with the witty opening line that Obama was "refining" his energy plan.
So, instead of dealing with a serious issue in a serious way, NBC News ignored the substance and went for a clever slight against Obama, hitting his political maneuvering in his softened opposition to more offshore drilling.
Williams's quip fit with one of the press corps' favorite campaign narratives, Obama's flip-flopping. But the coverage ignored far more important elements of the story, such as the feasibility of Obama's vow that "we must end the age of oil in our time" or the wisdom of McCain's emphasis on drilling -- and nuking -- the nation out of its energy mess.
And, as for flip-flops, McCain's dramatic repositioning of himself as an anti-environmentalist -- after years of being one of the green movement's favorite Republicans -- represents a far more significant change than Obama's modest waffling on offshore oil.
The Sierra Club, one of the nation's premier environmental organizations, has repudiated McCain and now is running ads attacking his energy plan. But McCain's flip-flops -- even complete reversals -- remain an underplayed part of the campaign story. They just don't fit the narrative of maverick John McCain on the "Straight Talk Express."
Loving the 'Surge'
The major U.S. news media has been equally superficial in dealing with the Iraq War and the "war on terror." It is now a fully enshrined conventional wisdom that George W. Bush's troop "surge" was a huge success and vindicates McCain's early support for it. On Obama's overseas trip, it became de rigueur for each interviewer to pound him for the first 10 or 15 minutes with demands that he accept the accepted wisdom about the "surge" and admit that he was wrong and McCain was right.
Obama's attempts to offer a more subtle explanation of what had occurred in Iraq -- that key reasons for the declining violence actually predated the "surge" -- were treated with bafflement by the interviewers, who simply reframed their questions and came back at him in a show of toughness against Obama's supposed evasions.
CBS News anchor Katie Couric started this pattern, but others fell smartly in line, including NBC's Tom Brokaw on "Meet the Press." Indeed, many of the same media stars who had cheered the nation to war in 2003 (such as Brokaw) were now hectoring Obama, who had spoken out against the invasion in real time.
Conversely, McCain is never challenged about his misjudgment in advocating a rapid pivot from Afghanistan to Iraq in late 2001 and early 2002, before Osama bin Laden and other top al-Qaeda were captured and before Afghanistan had stabilized.
That premature pivot now stands as one of the biggest military blunders in U.S. history, leaving American troops bogged down in two open-ended wars and allowing the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks to regroup and to plot in safe havens inside Pakistan.
However, American voters who rely on the major news media for their information would have no idea about McCain's central role in this fiasco. All they hear about is how McCain was right about the "surge" and how Obama won't admit he was wrong.
Britney/Paris
When American news consumers aren't hearing misinformation, they're almost surely hearing trivia. The TV news shows couldn't resist endlessly repeating McCain's attack ad that compared Obama and his enthusiastic reception in Berlin to misbehaving celebrities Britney Spears and Paris Hilton.
Though the juxtaposition was clearly meant to demean -- and reminded some political observers of the "call me" ads of a sexy white woman whispering to black Tennessee Senate candidate Harold Ford -- McCain's campaign insisted it was all in good fun.
While some pundits did take note of McCain's detour onto the low road, others picked up McCain's campaign theme that Obama is a "presumptuous" elitist who looks down on others.
That powerful attack line, which touches on the grievances of working-class whites who feel that some blacks have gotten unfair advantages from affirmative action, is at the heart of modern American racism. Since the Nixon era, Republicans have played this Southern Strategy with great success, telling whites that they're the real victims.
This Obama-elitist theme reached its apex (or nadir, if you prefer) when the Washington Post's Dana Milbank distorted a reported quote from Obama to a closed Democratic caucus and used it to prove Obama was a "presumptuous nominee." [Washington Post, July 30, 2008]
Jonathan Capehart, Milbank's colleague from the Washington Post's neoconservative editorial page, then took the point a step further on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" show, citing Milbank's misleading quote to establish that Obama is an "uppity" black man. Yet, the true meaning of the Obama quote appears to have been almost the opposite of how Milbank used it.
Painting Obama as a megalomaniac, Milbank wrote: "Inside [the caucus], according to a witness, [Obama] told the House members, 'This is the moment ... that the world is waiting for,' adding: 'I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.'"
However, other people who attended the caucus complained that Milbank had yanked the words out of context to support his "presumptuous" thesis, not to reflect what Obama actually said.
Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-South Carolina, said Obama's comment was "in response to what one of the [House] members prefaced the question by," a reference to the crowd of 200,000 that turned out to hear Obama speak in Berlin.
According to Clyburn, Obama "said, 'I wish I could take credit for that, but I can't. Because it's not about me. It's about America. It's about the people of Germany and the people of Europe looking for a new hope, new relationships, as we go forward in the world.' So, he expressly said that it's not about me."
A House Democratic aide sent an e-mail to Fox News saying, "Lots of people are reading the quote about Obama being a symbol and getting it wrong. His entire point of that riff was that the campaign IS NOT about him.
"The Post left out the important first half of the sentence, which was something along the lines of: 'It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol ...'"
So, it appears that Obama's attempt to show humility was transformed into its opposite, establishing that, as Capehart put it, Obama is an "uppity" black man. [Capehart himself is black.]
A week after Milbank pulled the Obama quote inside out, the Washington Post had yet to run a correction or a clarification. The august Post apparently judges that Obama's supporters don't have the clout to punish a news organization for getting a quote wrong, even if it continues to reverberate through the media echo chamber to millions of Americans.
Putting Obama at Risk
Yet possibly even more offensive than the quote, Milbank's column shoved everything, including the Secret Service security arrangements for Obama, through the lens of proving that the candidate is arrogant.
When Washington police and the Secret Service blocked off roads for Obama's motorcade, that was not simply prudence in the face of extraordinary security concerns for Obama's life; it was proof that Obama already sees himself as a head of state.
"He traveled in a bubble more insulating than the actual President's. Traffic was shut down for him as he zoomed about town in a long, presidential-style motorcade, while the public and most of the press were kept in the dark about his activities."
Milbank groused, too, about the tight security that the police put around Obama's movements on Capitol Hill.
"Capitol Police cleared the halls -- just as they do for the actual President. The Secret Service hustled him in through a side door -- just as they do for the actual President," Milbank wrote.
While Milbank portrayed these security steps as further evidence of Obama's hubris, there is no reason to believe that Obama had any say in the decisions of his security detail to protect the candidate.
Milbank and the Post were behaving as if they were oblivious to the physical danger that surrounds the first African-American to have a serious chance to be elected President of the United States. It was almost as if they were baiting him to order the Secret Service to pull back or face the accusation that he is, as Capehart put it, "uppity."
This pattern of how the major media treats Obama also is not new. Although the McCain campaign and the right-wing media insist that Obama gets easy treatment from the press corps, that amounts to more "working the refs" than a legitimate complaint.
Just because Obama gets more coverage than McCain -- the centerpiece of the Republican complaint -- doesn't mean that the press favors Obama, anymore than the fact that Bill Clinton got lots of coverage in 1998 over the Monica Lewinsky scandal meant that the press was favoring him.
Indeed, there have been repeated examples of media double standards working against Obama.
For instance, during the primaries, the major media obsessed for weeks over controversies that would have blown over for other candidates in days. The stupid remarks by Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright, were endless fodder for news programs, while offensive comments from pro-McCain pastors were just tiny blips and soon disappeared.
Similarly, Obama's lack of a flag-lapel pin became a theme that was used to challenge his patriotism, although neither John McCain nor Hillary Clinton wore a pin. Neither, by the way, did ABC's George Stephanopoulos and Charles Gibson as they moderated the April 16 debate in Philadelphia where Obama was grilled over his lack of a flag-lapel pin.
(The flag-lapel "issue" was first given national prominence by New York Times columnist William Kristol and was given more impetus by Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer. To put the issue to rest, Obama finally began wearing a flag pin, though McCain still doesn't wear one regularly.)
Economic Determinism
Every presidential election year, it seems, some economist publishes an article that declares that economic data -- good or bad -- will decide whether the White House will be won by the in-power party or the out-of-power party. For instance, the booming economy of 2000 supposedly assured Al Gore a resounding victory.
In Campaign 2008, this thinking holds that Americans -- faced with severe economic troubles -- will throw the Republicans out of the White House and elect a Democrat.
However, this economic determinism may no longer hold sway in a nation that is as inundated with media as the United States is. The ability to float false "themes" against one candidate or another and have the major media constantly repeat the propaganda is an extraordinarily powerful force in deciding American elections.
As we describe in our book Neck Deep, millions of Americans went to the polls in November 2000 believing a number of false claims that had been circulated about Vice President Gore (including the bogus notion that he had been part of a plan to sell nuclear secrets to China, when those secrets actually had been compromised during the Reagan years.)
Given the persistent superficiality -- and cowardice -- of the major U.S. news media, there's even the larger question of whether a meaningful democracy can survive when the public is so thoroughly misinformed.
Although there are some Internet sites that challenge the major media's errors, the imbalance remains tilted heavily toward the ideological Right. Especially when prestige newspapers like the Washington Post contribute to the distribution of false or misleading information -- as with Milbank's quote about Obama -- the pro-Republican media eagerly amplifies it and most Americans never hear the other side.
Right-wing Internet sites also have proven to be very adept at inserting completely false claims about Obama that stick with many Americans, such as the oft-repeated lie that Obama is a Muslim or that he trained at a radical Islamic madrassah.
To assume that people will somehow see through such distortions has proven to be naïve in the past. More likely, many millions of Americans will head to the polls in November having internalized a hodgepodge of negative themes about Obama. Indeed, a significant number who have absorbed the uglier accusations will have come to hate him.
So, even if a McCain victory guarantees that the United States would solidify the policies of a deeply disliked President, many Americans may set aside what may be good for the country -- or even good for their own pocketbooks -- and vote against Obama, more based on perceptions than reality.
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Posted by: carolyn05 on Aug 7, 2008 1:30 AM
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McCain is not a maverick. He is not the same man who ran in 2000. This year, he will say and do anything to win including tell lies. There is no other word which describes the things he has been saying about Obama of late. He is also willing to make ridiculous ads featuring Paris Hilton and Britney Spears-this coming from a presidential candidate?
He describes himself as the more experienced one in foreign policy, but he cannot even keep the difference between Shia and Sunni straight. He thought that Iran (Shiite) was training Al Qaeda (Sunni). It would be funny if not so frightning that he does not truly understand what is going on. McCain who was bottom of his class in the Naval Academy only made it through because he came from a well known and well off family. He is the one who should be labeled elitist, whose wife is a heiress, who lives in multiple mansions, whose advisor told struggling Americans that they should stop whining, whose campaign is run by dozens of rich lobbyists, (and not only are these lobbyists rich, they have lobbyed on behalf of some of the most corrupt leaders in the world), who is now fully supporting tax cuts for the 1% most wealthy in the US.
John McCain sold his honor to his Republican Karl Rovian handlers. If he will say and do anything to become president of the US, what will he do as president? We already have a president who was and is willing to deceive the American people, with disasterous and deadly consequences. We must not make the same mistake. Do not elect John McCain. Barack Obama is far superior in intellect, judgement, temperment, and now after the last few weeks of seeing McCain spouting lies, I would add Barack Obama has more honor.
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Posted by: skoog5600 on Aug 7, 2008 1:56 AM
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It's too bad that your typical American intelligence level is at the level of a __________ (fill in your own word here).
Anyway, I caught the Daily Show, which incidentally is one of the best and few critics of MSM that is actually part of the mainstream. The arrogant and pompous Brian Williams was spouting off how important his interview with the president of Iran was. He offers nothing but hot air and blather. I am telling you it will be MSM that is the downfall of the United States, well that and the short sighted view of life.
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» The MSM are owned (80%) by a few corporations.....
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 7, 2008 2:28 AM
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To maintain its fascist chokehold on America, the rightwing GOP is using every dirty trick and deception in Karl Rove's playbook, including the race card, to make Obama look like a threat -- just as was done to Iraq.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Barrack will lose in November if he doesn't put Hillary on the ticket. As the old Chinese expression goes, "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter*
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain
*For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors.
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» Obama and McCain "Quite Similar" on Iran?
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» For starters, Obama is a good family man while McCain is a womanizing adulterer.
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Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Aug 7, 2008 3:34 AM
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Aug 7, 2008 3:38 AM
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I think that there is a really good chance that Obama is dead in the water. After all he has to fight ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and FOX and at least a billion dollars of right wing think tank talking points. I think that there is a really strong chance that democracy in the United States will never again see the light of day. The voters have but one choice. They must vote in mass. Then they must cull out the democratic party and eliminate all of the left wing republicans out of the democratic party.(Liberman?) Remember 58% of the American people support the idea of a third party.
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Posted by: marusasma on Aug 7, 2008 4:51 AM
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The whole problem with this particular election is that you have Obama who cheated to become the Democratic Party nomination and McCain who has some serious psychiatric issues that is the Republican Party nominee.
McCain may have "military experience," but he also was a POW and that experience has colored tremendously what he is attempting to do. I shutter to think that he will push for more oil and really doesn't care much about anything.
Obama, on the other hand, although he is coming out with better laid out plans, really worries me, not only because of his lack of experience, but because of his background. Can he truly be objective? He is so superficial. He can't even decide on a running mate. If he can't decide on that, how is he going to decide on the bigger picture?
This whole mess has been created, in large part, by the media and how they portray the candidates running for office. Some very good candidates were forced to drop out because the political pundits kept drumming it in that the likelihood of "X" winning was slim because of whatever reasons they could come up with.
I thought that it was the journalists and media's duty to be objective. In reality, much of what they are saying (or not saying) is totally subjective. That is not news. That is personal opinion. They need to report the facts whether they agree with them or not.
If a political candidate says they are for not drilling and their record in congress has been for drilling, they need to state this. If, however, the candidate has taken a firm stance on a particular subject matter and sticks to it, they need to state this as well, not the sniping and backstabbing along with all the other dirty campaign tricks. Do we really need another Bush? Hasn't the country learned about people who cheat and lie? When the people of this country going to learn? When its too late?
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Posted by: Moonray on Aug 7, 2008 4:55 AM
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Of course Obama can't get a fair shake. The corporate media are owned by a handful of corporations who in turn are run by a few dozen moguls who aren't known for their dedication to the public welfare and good government. So it's almost amusing to see the MSM beginning to turn on Obama in earnest, framing their questions and stacking their panels of talking heads in ways guaranteed to make McCain look like Obama's moral and intellectual equivalent.
We need to stop whining over this inevitable outcome and start thinking about seriously changing the system. Those changes should involve making all federal elections nonpartisan, with no spending allowed for advertising and only a pittance allowed for campaign administration. The candidates should have to get their message across via public television or other suitable public venues. Of course, stict term limits of four years for the House and Senate should be imposed, with a maximum of two terms.
Until such changes are made, our federal elections are largely symbolic. A small coterie of the super-rich and super-well-connected will continue to run our country (into the ground) and we sheep will be left to foot the bill, as usual.
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Posted by: steve.janv@hotmail.com on Aug 7, 2008 5:04 AM
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This election will speak volumes about who, as a people, we REALLY ARE, not the face we present to the world. This will be the most important election in recent history. Three months from now we'll have an insight into the real America and the direction it wants to go.
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Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Aug 7, 2008 5:18 AM
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I'm no fan of Obama, but I am fed up to here with the lousy reporting that passes as journalism in this country. I've started going to foreign sources more and more for my information, and especially since 9/11 I am astonished at what the MSM in the US does NOT report. This is one reason I know this country is doomed - because the information is out there, but no one here is reporting it and the American people are generally too incurious to go after it. So the average American glances at one newspaper (maybe) and catches 5 or 10 minutes of news in the evening (maybe). The most exposure many people get is through the junk political ads on TV, which is truly a shameful thing in this "information age." Worst case scenario is the intellectually lazy (or anti-intellectual) person who watches those ads and bases their decision on whom to vote for (if they bother to vote at all) on whether Obama is like Paris Hilton...and who the hell is Ralph Nader, anyway?
And look at this anthrax thing for a moment. The press seems to be preoccupied with the unfortunate Mr. Ivins and even 3 days later, is still "reporting" on the smarmy and very private details of his life. They forgot what the word "objectivity" means, they lost their sense of decorum and decency, and what is worst is that they substitute innuendo and speculation for fact.
But oh how they jump right on it whenever there's something remotely lurid or juicy to report. I am feeling very sorry for John Edwards and his family right now, for the utterly irrelevant and prurient so-called reportage he is victim of.
When is this going to end? When we elevate ourselves as a society back to where we should be. No wonder our country is in a mess when we are more interested in what someone does in the bedroom than what they do in the White House.
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Posted by: QCao009 on Aug 7, 2008 5:24 AM
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It's not that our votes do not count, It's that they do count, but we the people are being maneuvered to vote a certain way. Those are the rules of this chessboard called democracy.
MSM is a mere tool and journalists have a trade they have to ply just like doctors and lawyers. They have to follow a protocol and a pattern. Ask ourselves how the American dream is being packaged and sold and how the koolaid is being branded and fed to believers. Credit, the underpinning foundation of capital, must be a buy-in if profit is to be made through exploitation. Abuse has to have the implicit consent of the abused. Look how the once tortured McCain now supports it. Integrity has a price and the "maverick", for all his pose, has smoked himself into the terminal cancer of hybris and sold his soul to the devil.
If we watch closely the transformation of the Clintons, we will follow how Bill "won" and how Hillary "lost". Bill went through the plank, gave in gradually more and more, and in the process "won". Hillary thought she had the upper hand, stood her ground, denounced the sexism and was not allowed the nomination. As the Obama campaign matured, a sense of entitlement took over, and more than anything else, the ability to negotiate a victory has become sidetracked this past month to responses to the McRovian onslaught of mediocrity and sidebar scuffles.
The truth is it takes discipline and it takes integrity. A good craftsman does not blame his tools. If the peg does not fit, reshape it, or find another hole. Blaming the press is pure nonsense. The press is neither liberal nor conservative, they follow their trade, but they are beholden to the checkwriters. I am not including Faux Noise in the ranks of the press. They are a sidebar.
When all is said and done, based on pure contrast and comparison, McCain should not even be in the game. Yet, at the end of the day, whether this horserace is pure fiction to peddle fictionalized made-up news or whether it is a Trojan horse for a repetition of 2000 or 2004, we should learn from Jimmy Carter. It's better to lose than to lose one's integrity. There is more in life than a Presidency. There is more to life than politics, especially when the calling is to serve, not to fulfill any long-cherished ambition that is all maya, any way. Once a candidate realizes that, the smile is no longer forced, and it's a wonderful journey.
Winning may be the only thing in our modern day psychosis, it is not everything given the brevity of our human existence. That is why it is too late for an imbecile to mouth off about a legacy. The people will have their ultimate word: his name fits on the San Francisco dumpt than the halls of Southern Methodist University. It soils the reputation of a higher learning institution.
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He should also be worried about focusing on the wrong damn things.
The Repugs want to keep the debate on cultural divisions: abortion, prayer in schools, evolution, race. They want to keep it away from economic issues; that's where they are vulnerable.
The Dems, by abandoning Rooseveltian liberal ideas and embracing neoliberal economic policy right out of the Repug playbook, has guaranteed that the debate will be cultural.
That's not a debate that goes over well in the heartland for Dems.
Obama is padding his campaign with Chicago-school neoliberal economists. They're anti-regulation, anti-government, pro-trust, pro-outsourcing, pro-offshoring, pro-globalization, pro-tax breaks for the rich, the same ideas that the Repugs have championed since Reagan. As with Bill Clinton, it's hard to see where Obama differs with his opponent on economic issues.
If Obama doesn't give Americans a clear choice in economic policy, then the election will be decided on culturally divisive issues. I really don't think that's a good game plan for the Dems.
He'll also lose a few progressives to the Greens - me included. I was not amused when he caved on FISA. I won't vote for a candidate who will not defend the Constitution to his dying breath.
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SNL’s pieces on the soft treatment of Obama hit a note with the press who laughingly feels they have to at least try to be impartial.
As the press went along with Obama on an invite to Iraq everyone expected it to be a lovefest. So they again felt compelled to appear tough and hammer him on the surge.. No one expected him to agree the surge worked – that would just hand the election to McCain – so the media hammered him on that point.
So when we have a media that can be so partial it is foreign to them how to be impartial. To them impartial usually means taking the side of someone who is the underdog, not perceived the favorite!
The media also looks for ratings.. McCain with bikers is no big deal and was obviously a PR moment. Obama’s energy plan should be on the front pages for days and McCain should be responding to it. Instead we have Paris Hilton videos making news.
No wonder we can never get the real story on the candidates positions. Our media still cannot get it straight!
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Posted by: focus on Aug 7, 2008 6:21 AM
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This week, Russ Suskind had a lot of important information on Bush knowing there were no WMDs in Iraq and instead of the anchor asking him about his research and sources, the anchor, not alarmed at this news, jumped all over Suskind and kept asking him with incredulity, "Are you telling me that ...) Yes, idiot, he was telling you very old news but with irrefutable proof. So on NPR, one day story, poof, gone.
Shame on you NPR. We should all listen very carefully to how they are reporting the election issues and not give them any slack. NPR is not and has not been liberal in much of it's reporting for years so don't just think because it's on NPR it's unbiased. Listeners, be careful when they begin begging for your hard earned and diminishing capital, not support certain segments on this station and maybe, just maybe they'll begin to create new laurels they can stand on instead of the ones they no longer deserve.
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As proof, I offer a few snippets from Conservative Talk Radio that I picked up on a recent roadtrip. (I apologize to those who read this stuff in a thread yesterday.)
Yes, Obama is in trouble because there are millions of Americans (similar to the Sturgis bikers mentioned above - not to pick on bikers per se) who "keep life simple" - just the way Karl Rove likes it.
These snippets come from various sources: Rush and Laura (Ingrams) and "local" talk folks, all taking calls from "the people."
Disclaimer: I'm not going to get trapped into saying that there were a ton of angry people on the radio when I was listening - all hanging desperately onto their guns and religion. No, that would make me out to be an elitist. I'm just gonna quote what I heard:
There was the woman from South Carolina who called and was terribly upset with Obama and the Liberal Media who have said "just terrible things" about President Bush (meaning W). All of which were unfounded and untrue.
There was the man from Tennessee who claimed that "every time someone criticizes Obama, they are called a racist." He claims that he has many other reasons why he won't be voting for Obama ”besides (sic) the fact that he is black.” AND, he doesn't even think THAT statement is a racist statement!
There was the guy from North Carolina who (very reverently, I must add) asked Rush to discontinue his use of his ridiculing characterization of Obama as the "Messiah," because "we all know there is only one true Messiah," he said.
There was the woman from Indiana who quoted from a recent letter she had received from the NRA claiming that Obama, if elected, would be releasing over 7 million prisoners and at the same time, work to take away her guns that she would be using to protect herself from those prisoners.
Then, there was the man who complained about having Senators running for higher office at the time that they are already not performing their duties in the office to which they were currently elected. What was interesting here was the commentator's response (a local Indiana man): "Yes, Obama is paid something like $180,000, and he never shows up to vote." (No mention of McCain's salary and missing votes.)
How many millions of Americans think this way? I have no idea, but there a many. AND, all they need to be is "fired up" to go out and vote. That is what is being created right now...motivation! "If we don't take a stand NOW...."
So, rather than being angry about the mess created by George W. Bush, et al, the Rovian plan is to get people angry about issues like those mentioned above.
A second Rovian plan is to plant TROLLS in sites like AlterNet. The MO for these TROLLS is usually (but not exclusively) to be disguised as Far Left bloggers who tear down Obama from THAT perspective. Yes, there are some legit Far Lefters on here, but there are other FOXES (interesting parallel, huh?) wearing WOOL as they pull the wool over our eyes.
A third Rovian plan is the basic content of the main article of this thread: Control the Mass Media while at the same time complaining that the Mass Media is biased in favor of the other guy.
These folks are good at what they do. The proof is in the pudding. Just listen to Conservative Talk Radio for a day.
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RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT !!!!
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 7, 2008 7:46 AM
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John McCain and his heiress wife really need to shut up and sit in a corner. Talk about elite-ism! Let's talk about how those tax cuts have helped to enrich he and his wife! Let us talk about the Keating 5 S&L disasters of which he was a part! Let us talk about the corporate lobbiests that are governing his campaign! Let us talk about that shill & whiner Phil Graham & his wife that helped to de-regulate the economy for their own financial benefit!
Hopefully there are enough Americans that are fed up and can see through the shenanigans that will give serious thought to the pocketbook issues that we all have!
As for the distracting diatribes about Barack Obama, as the first viable African-American for president please know that he's had threats made against his life! His use of the Secret Service has reasons! When the current president went to England the first time the areas where he went (Parliament, Buckingham Palace, etc) were blocked for at least 6 blocks to keep protesters away, lest someone yell something to offend the little tyrant!
Well, so they want to go with the "surge" worked, ok, how about explaining that many of the ethinically mixed (Sunni, Shia) neighborhoods are empty - the previous inhabitants either dead or fled the country! How about that Anbar awakening that happened before the surge started! Or how about the president of Iraq already asking for a timetable for reduction of forces - and yet the current administration and John McCain insisting that we need to stay the course! And while we are on the subject of staying the course, can someone please tell me what is this "VICTORY", that they keep talking about?! Can someone tell me exactly what they mean by that? Is it the victory of capturing & killing Saddam (done that), is it the political reconciliation between (Sunni, Shia), well they are achieving that, so job done, time to go, no?
Oh, I know it's when ExxonMoble, Shell, BP, get those exclusive contracts to control the oil!!!! See people, it really is all about the OIL!!!!!
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Posted by: les on Aug 7, 2008 8:13 AM
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We were a Generation in the process of awakening. We began to question the "party line," or things that plain ol' "did'nt make sense!" So, people began to polarize into groups in an effort to make change, for the better. We were a Generation quick to point out inequality and violations of our basic freedoms.
"We the People"
We the People, became agitated, as a sea raging against the rocks. We watched a Nation maneuvered into Viet Nam. We witnessed Civil Unrest and Demonstrations. Segregation. MLK, Kennedys, Nixon, Johnson, Charles Manson. I have ended the list with this man for a reason. The man was insane! I'm sure that most would agree. Now, as insane as he was, he is in prison. He can do no more harm to society!
What we have today, is much worse than Charles Manson. Our Leaders today, have become much like Manson, murderous and without remorse! The problem is this... They are at large! These are those who would use "wethe people as food for thier conquests, and our children's blood to run thier war machines. Our children themselves will become products of the very News Bastions that have been programmed, censored, and tailored to fit the current political party's agendas. Again, effectively maintaining control of the mindset of the unsuspecting and willing servants of Wal-Mart!
Yes, that is the power of the Press! And, this "power" of the press has been used for the exact opposite of that for which it was intended.
In closing I would just like to say, with heartfelt sinceerity... Shame,.. on all of you who hold political offices and sit by idily, as we watch (on TV) this country being disemboweled by this Criminal Administration!
Shame,.. on the News media for allowing yourselves to be censored1 And thank you for the worthless, meaningless, trivial "bullshit" that has no real value in our lives!
In closing, I can say this.. "I feel that we, as a Nation, don't even begin to fathom where the "real" control is being exercised, and over whom. I have never, in my sixty years, on this planet, witnessed such surreal events as I see unfolding today! I equate Bush and McCain to two "village idiots" that have been selected to act as Commander in Chiefs with "all strings attached!" Believe it, folks! If you just listen and pay attention to the speech patterns and mental organization, of either Bush or McCain, as they speak, you will indeed see that there is;
"JUST SIMPLY... SOMETHING TERRIBLY WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!"
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The MSM has a lot less influence than it imagines it does.
Those potential voters who have not yet made up their minds, or maybe are not yet even registered, are more likely to vote for Obama than McCain.
There's no doubt there are a lot of moronic and unthinking TV viewers and callers to right wing radio who latch on every shred of anti-Obama innuendo. But are they a majority?
Here's an example from this week - the NYTimes published an op-ed by the Iraq war promoting and defending Stephen Biddle, Michael O'Hanlon, and Kenneth Pollack who wrote ever so soberly and "thoughtfully" about why we shouldn't pull out of Iraq "too soon." Over 150 Times readers responded and they mostly said they were tired of that kind of BS.
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Posted by: williameon on Aug 7, 2008 8:52 AM
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It's been on the same time and the same channel for 60 years and counting.
Obama should opt out of this Charade.
Go directly to the people by word of mouth.
Grass Roots!
He’ll still get plenty of crappy exposure on the FAUX News, anyway you look at it.
I've turned it off.
Why waste any more of our hard earned money: Supporting the enemy?
The Corpirate Military Media Industrial Complex.
That's who.
These Crooks should be
Booted out on their A-ses.
What a HOAX!
Endless Mind bending Propaganda.
The American Government, CIA, NSA, FBI and Military is 75% Privatized!
They are Spying on you.
Shut the Revolving Door between The Corpirates and The American Government, Military and Media.
We are sitting Ducks.
Dead Eye is shooting Fish in a barrel.
The Reptilians are getting away with Murder.
Those Yacht owning, SUV driving, Oil Pushing, Propaganda Spewing A-sholes!
Billionaires-R-Us
1000's of extra Yachts Build with your TAX Dollars
You paid for it!
Trillions-4-Billionaires.
None-4-you.
Did it sink in yet?
Ye, The people of No: Jobs, Health Care or Elderly Care.
But, We’ve got Mickey Dee’s and their Freedom Fries.
Or our Militia Boiled in Oil.
How cruel.
The Chimp detests, Spies on and Tortures us while his side kick
Dead Eye
Loads his Shot Gun.
Shut it off and
Go around it.
Deal direct with the people.
Use the money to get out The Vote.
Support our poor instead of the Rich..
Stop wasting time and money trying to reach a couch Potato.
They are Brain washed and Conditioned beyond belief.
The Propaganda Ministry has a direct line to the Media Prostitutes and get's shit loads of free time any time ROVE opens his filthy mouth.
All the media parrots repeat what ever they’re told, or else?
They know exactly how things work.
Talk about high prices Call Girls!
They get paid plenty to follow the script.
How can you beat a Corpirate system that’s based on GREED.
It will destroy itself if you stop supporting it.
If you stop believing in it?
It will implode much sooner.
Their phony black boxes and media shills are worthless if we shut them off.
Let them start chasing us for a change,
Shut it OFF!
Shut it Down.
PURGE
SURGE
Update and
REBOOT!
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 7, 2008 8:53 AM
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Why? Because political orientation gives CONTEXT to the calls, just as it does with my AlterNet comments about politics.
Today, I made four comments on AlterNet. This is the ONLY thread that identifies me as a "lifelong registered Republican." I made that concession after taking flack from my fellow AlterNetters. I also stopped listing my NONPROFIT Web site (you know the one).
Now, having made those accommodations, it's time to stop attacking Hugh Scott and focus on the REAL enemy, Unfit McCain. Otherwise, America will get what I predicted on my NONPROFIT Web site, such as:
If McCain wins in November, the neocons in Washington will increase their power, Bush's incompetent cronies will remain in office, our nation will become more divided, we will never know how many White House crimes were committed over the past eight years, and U.S. armed forces will attack Iran. America deserves a better future than that.
With love,
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran [For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors]
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain
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That's exactly how I felt during the months I was backing Hillary Clinton and would awake each morning to fresh salvos about her ankles, hair, tears, wandering husband, pantsuits, ad nauseum. The nut cracker, remember that one?
Yeah, now Obama knows how it feels to be treated unfairly (or is he)?
It seems to me he gets an inordinate amount of press, including loads of mainstream coverage of his "victory lap" through Europe.
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Uhh, ever hear of General Electric and their MILITARY Contracts??
Case Closed!!
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What I find humorous is that if they asked the average American whether our news is reliable and unbiased, they will laugh and wax nostalgic for the days where we used the British standard. Fact and only the facts. Our "news" services are actually working themselves right out of a job. I have not bought or read their crap for a while and once something momentous happens to expose their manipulations we will turn from them completely and even worse for them, the companies that advertise with them will too.
They can only get away with this in one way, if we let them. The best way to counteract it is to go to these companies websites, take down the names of their advertisers, and let the advertisers know that since they advertise with these media companies and we do not appreciate what the media company is doing and why that we have decided to boycott the advetisers products.
THAT will get the medias attention, that's for sure! Hit them where it hurts, their wallet. When their advertisers stop advertising with them they will lose the power to be in business and spread these lies. If we have any attorneys out there who can sue them for these activities and bog them down in court like a second front in the war, even better.
It comes down to us though. We are the deciders of whether we get treated with respect or like fools.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Aug 7, 2008 10:43 AM
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For the record, let's say that Barack Obama is NOT a celebrity, in the "Hollywood' sense, but McCain put her into the spotlight by comparing her to his opponent. Someone should tell that codger that she isn't running for president and he should focus on other pressing matters. By doing so he might have sunk his chances of having a new address come January.
Therefore, Obama isn't in trouble. He's probably getting a kick ouf of the whole thing; and if you haven't seen Paris' parody, check out funnyordie.com. I love ya, Paris.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Aug 7, 2008 11:12 AM
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Those are the ones that count - remember?
There is no reason to worry about McCain winning. Even the nationwide polls show Obama well ahead, on average, EVEN with high numbers for "someone else," EVEN with Nader polling 6%. And that's without Bob Barr pulling votes away for the Libertarians.
There are lots of reasons for that - as others have pointed out, Obama is a very good candidate (disregarding positions), McCain a very poor one.
But the most important reason is simpler:
McCain is a REPUBLICAN, and everything is shifting against them this year, for excellent reasons I needn't repeat. So it really doesn't matter if the MSM love him, every video shows the nation a feeble old man of the wrong party (and yes, I'm old enough to say that). A very familiar old man, when the country does want "change" - that's why Obama beat Clinton. (Ironic: the poor woman had to run against a younger clone of her own husband. Sometimes there's justice.)
And then, of course, there's that dead, stinking albatross hanging around McCain's neck: the Bush administration. And that convenient video of Bush endorsing him.
The only way the Dems can lose this year is deliberately.
Oh, yes: or if the Bushies steal it, flagrantly and openly, or cancel the election. I think we should be prepared to bring the country to a standstill if that happens, because it's a real possibility. In fact, such preparations might be the only way we can prevent it. The Democratic Party sure isn't going to.
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Aug 7, 2008 11:32 AM
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By far the largest element driving voters is the economy. No matter how the brain dead press slices and dices the news, people will vote based on their own condition. The '08 election will have high voter turnout and millions of disgruntled voters across the spectrum.
And just wait for those debates as McCain stumbles and bumbles his way through the questions.
The worse thing may be what Obama is going to have to face when he gets to the White House.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 7, 2008 11:36 AM
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He sacked the only person on his team making sense on foreign policy (Samantha Power), and I wait for more news.
I do know this: like it or not the US is stuck with the duty of providing security to the world's economy and institutions. Until something can come to replace this fact, the US has this burden and cost. Any liberals willing to stump up the cash to build an alternative global security apparatus? I didn't think so...
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Posted by: 876 on Aug 7, 2008 1:20 PM
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Get a grip and stop fawning over every db that comes along with a mouth full of empty promises and some well rehearsed excuse for a personality. You are the most vapid simple people on earth. Any idiot with a few with lines could mesmerize you people. You are like a nation of children desperate for someone to tell you everything will be okay. Nothing will be okay. The way your political system is set up you people will produce one blood thirsty imperialist bastard after another. This is exactly like when you people voted for Bush a man you all agreed you wanted to “share a beer with” but now disown as not representing you… Even though you voted for him.
I propose the Al Qaida should invade your nation and “liberate” you poor souls as you have done for others.
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Posted by: nikolai on Aug 7, 2008 1:30 PM
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Still, there are other things to worry about, one being that it seems many Americans DON'T really want a stately, dignified politician as they seem to identify more with a schmuck, possibly to make themselves feel better; after all, GWB was "re-elected" wasn't he?
One last thing that really worries me is that people say they want change, but when it comes down to it they really DON'T want change, and when they enter the voting booth to cast their ballots, I fear they will NOT take the bold step of voting for Obama, as they are more comfortable with the white devil they know rather than the black angel they don't.
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Posted by: 220vBrain on Aug 7, 2008 2:48 PM
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We don't want those empty rhetorical statements autopsied in a public format, where the raw, ugly viseral facts might be exposed.Especially,if it might somehow show that millions have been duped, conned, and played the fools by a politically ladder climbing Svengali!
We live in a society where only Kumbaya touchy feely happy thoughts can be spoken, and everything else is politically incorrect. We have allowed Monsters to be born out of the pewtrid rotting morass of dead ideas and grey acrid flesh that we keep electing and sending to the Washington D.C. graveyard. All we get back are abominations calling themselves our representives. Barack Obama is such a creation. He was born out of mass hysteria, and a longing for something alive out of the capital. The vampiric media sychopants looking for fresher flesh to feast on, helped hype this creation, by wrongly viewing it as some sort of mighty demi-god come up out of the bowels of Washington Hell.
No, this thing, this Barackenstein Monster is just another ungodly political creation let loose upon the public to make brides out of the happless and the stupid. Don't let the syrup dripping out it's mouth fool you. Upon closer examination, you'll find it to be deadly venom!
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Posted by: Docent on Aug 7, 2008 3:07 PM
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Unfortunately it seems that the average person doesn't want to be bothered to look behind just mere words and video talking heads that are presented in the media, they just want to watch the 11:00 PM news, listen to a few "blips" in the news, along with the local kidnapping or carjacking and hear a cute "human interest" story along with the talking heads chatting to themselves.
My assessment, is that the mainstream media,
which is now almost all corporate controlled, has decided who we should elect to protect their megaprofit bottom lines - and give us
"Pap" for the masses....and no one seems to be noticing.
Remember, the news media used to provide a public service, and did not have "sponsors" and
"advertisers" to bulk up the bottom line - now all the "news" we seem to think we're getting is firmly based on how "big the ratings are" and how much money they can get for their time spot for airing their commercials.
These are my comments - and I'm sticking by them!
Docent
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Posted by: PaulC on Aug 7, 2008 3:28 PM
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McCain has NEVER been pro-environment - NEVER! His lifetime League of Conservation Voters (LCV) score is a pathetic 24 percent! That means for every vitally important piece of legislation dealing with clean air, clean water, energy policy, parks, logging or mining regulation, conservation, family farming, and so on to come up for a vote, THREE OUT OF FOUR TIMES McCain votes AGAINST average working Americans and the environment that is their legacy!
McCain IS NOT A "MAVERICK"! He is a calculating political animal, and at heart he is a rabid neocon far right nut job, with the second most conservative voting record in the Senate!
And the "Straight talk express" that the author cites is PURE PROPAGANDA - IT IS MARKETING! And the author bought it hook, line and sinker!
You know it is bad when someone trying to document McCain "flip-flopping" starts from a position that basically was media spin.
McCain the flip-flopper gives him far too much credit - how about McCain the dishonest far right wing lunatic?
peace,
Paul
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You know what you are going to get with McSAME: nothing changed.
All the points people make about OBAMA's unreadiness are ridiculous as no president has had previous experience. What I do know is that if he is allowed to do even only some of what Progressive Democrats want, and give him a congress that isn't going to filibuster every decent bill that comes up to help the majority of us poor folks.
WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON OBAMA, WE MUST DO WHAT WE CAN not to get McBUSH.
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Posted by: carolyn05 on Aug 7, 2008 1:30 AM
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McCain is not a maverick. He is not the same man who ran in 2000. This year, he will say and do anything to win including tell lies. There is no other word which describes the things he has been saying about Obama of late. He is also willing to make ridiculous ads featuring Paris Hilton and Britney Spears-this coming from a presidential candidate?
He describes himself as the more experienced one in foreign policy, but he cannot even keep the difference between Shia and Sunni straight. He thought that Iran (Shiite) was training Al Qaeda (Sunni). It would be funny if not so frightning that he does not truly understand what is going on. McCain who was bottom of his class in the Naval Academy only made it through because he came from a well known and well off family. He is the one who should be labeled elitist, whose wife is a heiress, who lives in multiple mansions, whose advisor told struggling Americans that they should stop whining, whose campaign is run by dozens of rich lobbyists, (and not only are these lobbyists rich, they have lobbyed on behalf of some of the most corrupt leaders in the world), who is now fully supporting tax cuts for the 1% most wealthy in the US.
John McCain sold his honor to his Republican Karl Rovian handlers. If he will say and do anything to become president of the US, what will he do as president? We already have a president who was and is willing to deceive the American people, with disasterous and deadly consequences. We must not make the same mistake. Do not elect John McCain. Barack Obama is far superior in intellect, judgement, temperment, and now after the last few weeks of seeing McCain spouting lies, I would add Barack Obama has more honor.
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It's too bad that your typical American intelligence level is at the level of a __________ (fill in your own word here).
Anyway, I caught the Daily Show, which incidentally is one of the best and few critics of MSM that is actually part of the mainstream. The arrogant and pompous Brian Williams was spouting off how important his interview with the president of Iran was. He offers nothing but hot air and blather. I am telling you it will be MSM that is the downfall of the United States, well that and the short sighted view of life.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 7, 2008 2:28 AM
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To maintain its fascist chokehold on America, the rightwing GOP is using every dirty trick and deception in Karl Rove's playbook, including the race card, to make Obama look like a threat -- just as was done to Iraq.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Barrack will lose in November if he doesn't put Hillary on the ticket. As the old Chinese expression goes, "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter*
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Aug 7, 2008 3:38 AM
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I think that there is a really good chance that Obama is dead in the water. After all he has to fight ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and FOX and at least a billion dollars of right wing think tank talking points. I think that there is a really strong chance that democracy in the United States will never again see the light of day. The voters have but one choice. They must vote in mass. Then they must cull out the democratic party and eliminate all of the left wing republicans out of the democratic party.(Liberman?) Remember 58% of the American people support the idea of a third party.
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Posted by: marusasma on Aug 7, 2008 4:51 AM
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The whole problem with this particular election is that you have Obama who cheated to become the Democratic Party nomination and McCain who has some serious psychiatric issues that is the Republican Party nominee.
McCain may have "military experience," but he also was a POW and that experience has colored tremendously what he is attempting to do. I shutter to think that he will push for more oil and really doesn't care much about anything.
Obama, on the other hand, although he is coming out with better laid out plans, really worries me, not only because of his lack of experience, but because of his background. Can he truly be objective? He is so superficial. He can't even decide on a running mate. If he can't decide on that, how is he going to decide on the bigger picture?
This whole mess has been created, in large part, by the media and how they portray the candidates running for office. Some very good candidates were forced to drop out because the political pundits kept drumming it in that the likelihood of "X" winning was slim because of whatever reasons they could come up with.
I thought that it was the journalists and media's duty to be objective. In reality, much of what they are saying (or not saying) is totally subjective. That is not news. That is personal opinion. They need to report the facts whether they agree with them or not.
If a political candidate says they are for not drilling and their record in congress has been for drilling, they need to state this. If, however, the candidate has taken a firm stance on a particular subject matter and sticks to it, they need to state this as well, not the sniping and backstabbing along with all the other dirty campaign tricks. Do we really need another Bush? Hasn't the country learned about people who cheat and lie? When the people of this country going to learn? When its too late?
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Posted by: Moonray on Aug 7, 2008 4:55 AM
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Of course Obama can't get a fair shake. The corporate media are owned by a handful of corporations who in turn are run by a few dozen moguls who aren't known for their dedication to the public welfare and good government. So it's almost amusing to see the MSM beginning to turn on Obama in earnest, framing their questions and stacking their panels of talking heads in ways guaranteed to make McCain look like Obama's moral and intellectual equivalent.
We need to stop whining over this inevitable outcome and start thinking about seriously changing the system. Those changes should involve making all federal elections nonpartisan, with no spending allowed for advertising and only a pittance allowed for campaign administration. The candidates should have to get their message across via public television or other suitable public venues. Of course, stict term limits of four years for the House and Senate should be imposed, with a maximum of two terms.
Until such changes are made, our federal elections are largely symbolic. A small coterie of the super-rich and super-well-connected will continue to run our country (into the ground) and we sheep will be left to foot the bill, as usual.
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Posted by: steve.janv@hotmail.com on Aug 7, 2008 5:04 AM
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This election will speak volumes about who, as a people, we REALLY ARE, not the face we present to the world. This will be the most important election in recent history. Three months from now we'll have an insight into the real America and the direction it wants to go.
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Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Aug 7, 2008 5:18 AM
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I'm no fan of Obama, but I am fed up to here with the lousy reporting that passes as journalism in this country. I've started going to foreign sources more and more for my information, and especially since 9/11 I am astonished at what the MSM in the US does NOT report. This is one reason I know this country is doomed - because the information is out there, but no one here is reporting it and the American people are generally too incurious to go after it. So the average American glances at one newspaper (maybe) and catches 5 or 10 minutes of news in the evening (maybe). The most exposure many people get is through the junk political ads on TV, which is truly a shameful thing in this "information age." Worst case scenario is the intellectually lazy (or anti-intellectual) person who watches those ads and bases their decision on whom to vote for (if they bother to vote at all) on whether Obama is like Paris Hilton...and who the hell is Ralph Nader, anyway?
And look at this anthrax thing for a moment. The press seems to be preoccupied with the unfortunate Mr. Ivins and even 3 days later, is still "reporting" on the smarmy and very private details of his life. They forgot what the word "objectivity" means, they lost their sense of decorum and decency, and what is worst is that they substitute innuendo and speculation for fact.
But oh how they jump right on it whenever there's something remotely lurid or juicy to report. I am feeling very sorry for John Edwards and his family right now, for the utterly irrelevant and prurient so-called reportage he is victim of.
When is this going to end? When we elevate ourselves as a society back to where we should be. No wonder our country is in a mess when we are more interested in what someone does in the bedroom than what they do in the White House.
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Posted by: QCao009 on Aug 7, 2008 5:24 AM
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It's not that our votes do not count, It's that they do count, but we the people are being maneuvered to vote a certain way. Those are the rules of this chessboard called democracy.
MSM is a mere tool and journalists have a trade they have to ply just like doctors and lawyers. They have to follow a protocol and a pattern. Ask ourselves how the American dream is being packaged and sold and how the koolaid is being branded and fed to believers. Credit, the underpinning foundation of capital, must be a buy-in if profit is to be made through exploitation. Abuse has to have the implicit consent of the abused. Look how the once tortured McCain now supports it. Integrity has a price and the "maverick", for all his pose, has smoked himself into the terminal cancer of hybris and sold his soul to the devil.
If we watch closely the transformation of the Clintons, we will follow how Bill "won" and how Hillary "lost". Bill went through the plank, gave in gradually more and more, and in the process "won". Hillary thought she had the upper hand, stood her ground, denounced the sexism and was not allowed the nomination. As the Obama campaign matured, a sense of entitlement took over, and more than anything else, the ability to negotiate a victory has become sidetracked this past month to responses to the McRovian onslaught of mediocrity and sidebar scuffles.
The truth is it takes discipline and it takes integrity. A good craftsman does not blame his tools. If the peg does not fit, reshape it, or find another hole. Blaming the press is pure nonsense. The press is neither liberal nor conservative, they follow their trade, but they are beholden to the checkwriters. I am not including Faux Noise in the ranks of the press. They are a sidebar.
When all is said and done, based on pure contrast and comparison, McCain should not even be in the game. Yet, at the end of the day, whether this horserace is pure fiction to peddle fictionalized made-up news or whether it is a Trojan horse for a repetition of 2000 or 2004, we should learn from Jimmy Carter. It's better to lose than to lose one's integrity. There is more in life than a Presidency. There is more to life than politics, especially when the calling is to serve, not to fulfill any long-cherished ambition that is all maya, any way. Once a candidate realizes that, the smile is no longer forced, and it's a wonderful journey.
Winning may be the only thing in our modern day psychosis, it is not everything given the brevity of our human existence. That is why it is too late for an imbecile to mouth off about a legacy. The people will have their ultimate word: his name fits on the San Francisco dumpt than the halls of Southern Methodist University. It soils the reputation of a higher learning institution.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Aug 7, 2008 5:27 AM
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He should also be worried about focusing on the wrong damn things.
The Repugs want to keep the debate on cultural divisions: abortion, prayer in schools, evolution, race. They want to keep it away from economic issues; that's where they are vulnerable.
The Dems, by abandoning Rooseveltian liberal ideas and embracing neoliberal economic policy right out of the Repug playbook, has guaranteed that the debate will be cultural.
That's not a debate that goes over well in the heartland for Dems.
Obama is padding his campaign with Chicago-school neoliberal economists. They're anti-regulation, anti-government, pro-trust, pro-outsourcing, pro-offshoring, pro-globalization, pro-tax breaks for the rich, the same ideas that the Repugs have championed since Reagan. As with Bill Clinton, it's hard to see where Obama differs with his opponent on economic issues.
If Obama doesn't give Americans a clear choice in economic policy, then the election will be decided on culturally divisive issues. I really don't think that's a good game plan for the Dems.
He'll also lose a few progressives to the Greens - me included. I was not amused when he caved on FISA. I won't vote for a candidate who will not defend the Constitution to his dying breath.
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SNL’s pieces on the soft treatment of Obama hit a note with the press who laughingly feels they have to at least try to be impartial.
As the press went along with Obama on an invite to Iraq everyone expected it to be a lovefest. So they again felt compelled to appear tough and hammer him on the surge.. No one expected him to agree the surge worked – that would just hand the election to McCain – so the media hammered him on that point.
So when we have a media that can be so partial it is foreign to them how to be impartial. To them impartial usually means taking the side of someone who is the underdog, not perceived the favorite!
The media also looks for ratings.. McCain with bikers is no big deal and was obviously a PR moment. Obama’s energy plan should be on the front pages for days and McCain should be responding to it. Instead we have Paris Hilton videos making news.
No wonder we can never get the real story on the candidates positions. Our media still cannot get it straight!
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Posted by: focus on Aug 7, 2008 6:21 AM
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This week, Russ Suskind had a lot of important information on Bush knowing there were no WMDs in Iraq and instead of the anchor asking him about his research and sources, the anchor, not alarmed at this news, jumped all over Suskind and kept asking him with incredulity, "Are you telling me that ...) Yes, idiot, he was telling you very old news but with irrefutable proof. So on NPR, one day story, poof, gone.
Shame on you NPR. We should all listen very carefully to how they are reporting the election issues and not give them any slack. NPR is not and has not been liberal in much of it's reporting for years so don't just think because it's on NPR it's unbiased. Listeners, be careful when they begin begging for your hard earned and diminishing capital, not support certain segments on this station and maybe, just maybe they'll begin to create new laurels they can stand on instead of the ones they no longer deserve.
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As proof, I offer a few snippets from Conservative Talk Radio that I picked up on a recent roadtrip. (I apologize to those who read this stuff in a thread yesterday.)
Yes, Obama is in trouble because there are millions of Americans (similar to the Sturgis bikers mentioned above - not to pick on bikers per se) who "keep life simple" - just the way Karl Rove likes it.
These snippets come from various sources: Rush and Laura (Ingrams) and "local" talk folks, all taking calls from "the people."
Disclaimer: I'm not going to get trapped into saying that there were a ton of angry people on the radio when I was listening - all hanging desperately onto their guns and religion. No, that would make me out to be an elitist. I'm just gonna quote what I heard:
There was the woman from South Carolina who called and was terribly upset with Obama and the Liberal Media who have said "just terrible things" about President Bush (meaning W). All of which were unfounded and untrue.
There was the man from Tennessee who claimed that "every time someone criticizes Obama, they are called a racist." He claims that he has many other reasons why he won't be voting for Obama ”besides (sic) the fact that he is black.” AND, he doesn't even think THAT statement is a racist statement!
There was the guy from North Carolina who (very reverently, I must add) asked Rush to discontinue his use of his ridiculing characterization of Obama as the "Messiah," because "we all know there is only one true Messiah," he said.
There was the woman from Indiana who quoted from a recent letter she had received from the NRA claiming that Obama, if elected, would be releasing over 7 million prisoners and at the same time, work to take away her guns that she would be using to protect herself from those prisoners.
Then, there was the man who complained about having Senators running for higher office at the time that they are already not performing their duties in the office to which they were currently elected. What was interesting here was the commentator's response (a local Indiana man): "Yes, Obama is paid something like $180,000, and he never shows up to vote." (No mention of McCain's salary and missing votes.)
How many millions of Americans think this way? I have no idea, but there a many. AND, all they need to be is "fired up" to go out and vote. That is what is being created right now...motivation! "If we don't take a stand NOW...."
So, rather than being angry about the mess created by George W. Bush, et al, the Rovian plan is to get people angry about issues like those mentioned above.
A second Rovian plan is to plant TROLLS in sites like AlterNet. The MO for these TROLLS is usually (but not exclusively) to be disguised as Far Left bloggers who tear down Obama from THAT perspective. Yes, there are some legit Far Lefters on here, but there are other FOXES (interesting parallel, huh?) wearing WOOL as they pull the wool over our eyes.
A third Rovian plan is the basic content of the main article of this thread: Control the Mass Media while at the same time complaining that the Mass Media is biased in favor of the other guy.
These folks are good at what they do. The proof is in the pudding. Just listen to Conservative Talk Radio for a day.
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RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT !!!!
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 7, 2008 7:46 AM
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John McCain and his heiress wife really need to shut up and sit in a corner. Talk about elite-ism! Let's talk about how those tax cuts have helped to enrich he and his wife! Let us talk about the Keating 5 S&L disasters of which he was a part! Let us talk about the corporate lobbiests that are governing his campaign! Let us talk about that shill & whiner Phil Graham & his wife that helped to de-regulate the economy for their own financial benefit!
Hopefully there are enough Americans that are fed up and can see through the shenanigans that will give serious thought to the pocketbook issues that we all have!
As for the distracting diatribes about Barack Obama, as the first viable African-American for president please know that he's had threats made against his life! His use of the Secret Service has reasons! When the current president went to England the first time the areas where he went (Parliament, Buckingham Palace, etc) were blocked for at least 6 blocks to keep protesters away, lest someone yell something to offend the little tyrant!
Well, so they want to go with the "surge" worked, ok, how about explaining that many of the ethinically mixed (Sunni, Shia) neighborhoods are empty - the previous inhabitants either dead or fled the country! How about that Anbar awakening that happened before the surge started! Or how about the president of Iraq already asking for a timetable for reduction of forces - and yet the current administration and John McCain insisting that we need to stay the course! And while we are on the subject of staying the course, can someone please tell me what is this "VICTORY", that they keep talking about?! Can someone tell me exactly what they mean by that? Is it the victory of capturing & killing Saddam (done that), is it the political reconciliation between (Sunni, Shia), well they are achieving that, so job done, time to go, no?
Oh, I know it's when ExxonMoble, Shell, BP, get those exclusive contracts to control the oil!!!! See people, it really is all about the OIL!!!!!
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Posted by: les on Aug 7, 2008 8:13 AM
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We were a Generation in the process of awakening. We began to question the "party line," or things that plain ol' "did'nt make sense!" So, people began to polarize into groups in an effort to make change, for the better. We were a Generation quick to point out inequality and violations of our basic freedoms.
"We the People"
We the People, became agitated, as a sea raging against the rocks. We watched a Nation maneuvered into Viet Nam. We witnessed Civil Unrest and Demonstrations. Segregation. MLK, Kennedys, Nixon, Johnson, Charles Manson. I have ended the list with this man for a reason. The man was insane! I'm sure that most would agree. Now, as insane as he was, he is in prison. He can do no more harm to society!
What we have today, is much worse than Charles Manson. Our Leaders today, have become much like Manson, murderous and without remorse! The problem is this... They are at large! These are those who would use "wethe people as food for thier conquests, and our children's blood to run thier war machines. Our children themselves will become products of the very News Bastions that have been programmed, censored, and tailored to fit the current political party's agendas. Again, effectively maintaining control of the mindset of the unsuspecting and willing servants of Wal-Mart!
Yes, that is the power of the Press! And, this "power" of the press has been used for the exact opposite of that for which it was intended.
In closing I would just like to say, with heartfelt sinceerity... Shame,.. on all of you who hold political offices and sit by idily, as we watch (on TV) this country being disemboweled by this Criminal Administration!
Shame,.. on the News media for allowing yourselves to be censored1 And thank you for the worthless, meaningless, trivial "bullshit" that has no real value in our lives!
In closing, I can say this.. "I feel that we, as a Nation, don't even begin to fathom where the "real" control is being exercised, and over whom. I have never, in my sixty years, on this planet, witnessed such surreal events as I see unfolding today! I equate Bush and McCain to two "village idiots" that have been selected to act as Commander in Chiefs with "all strings attached!" Believe it, folks! If you just listen and pay attention to the speech patterns and mental organization, of either Bush or McCain, as they speak, you will indeed see that there is;
"JUST SIMPLY... SOMETHING TERRIBLY WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!"
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The MSM has a lot less influence than it imagines it does.
Those potential voters who have not yet made up their minds, or maybe are not yet even registered, are more likely to vote for Obama than McCain.
There's no doubt there are a lot of moronic and unthinking TV viewers and callers to right wing radio who latch on every shred of anti-Obama innuendo. But are they a majority?
Here's an example from this week - the NYTimes published an op-ed by the Iraq war promoting and defending Stephen Biddle, Michael O'Hanlon, and Kenneth Pollack who wrote ever so soberly and "thoughtfully" about why we shouldn't pull out of Iraq "too soon." Over 150 Times readers responded and they mostly said they were tired of that kind of BS.
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Posted by: williameon on Aug 7, 2008 8:52 AM
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It's been on the same time and the same channel for 60 years and counting.
Obama should opt out of this Charade.
Go directly to the people by word of mouth.
Grass Roots!
He’ll still get plenty of crappy exposure on the FAUX News, anyway you look at it.
I've turned it off.
Why waste any more of our hard earned money: Supporting the enemy?
The Corpirate Military Media Industrial Complex.
That's who.
These Crooks should be
Booted out on their A-ses.
What a HOAX!
Endless Mind bending Propaganda.
The American Government, CIA, NSA, FBI and Military is 75% Privatized!
They are Spying on you.
Shut the Revolving Door between The Corpirates and The American Government, Military and Media.
We are sitting Ducks.
Dead Eye is shooting Fish in a barrel.
The Reptilians are getting away with Murder.
Those Yacht owning, SUV driving, Oil Pushing, Propaganda Spewing A-sholes!
Billionaires-R-Us
1000's of extra Yachts Build with your TAX Dollars
You paid for it!
Trillions-4-Billionaires.
None-4-you.
Did it sink in yet?
Ye, The people of No: Jobs, Health Care or Elderly Care.
But, We’ve got Mickey Dee’s and their Freedom Fries.
Or our Militia Boiled in Oil.
How cruel.
The Chimp detests, Spies on and Tortures us while his side kick
Dead Eye
Loads his Shot Gun.
Shut it off and
Go around it.
Deal direct with the people.
Use the money to get out The Vote.
Support our poor instead of the Rich..
Stop wasting time and money trying to reach a couch Potato.
They are Brain washed and Conditioned beyond belief.
The Propaganda Ministry has a direct line to the Media Prostitutes and get's shit loads of free time any time ROVE opens his filthy mouth.
All the media parrots repeat what ever they’re told, or else?
They know exactly how things work.
Talk about high prices Call Girls!
They get paid plenty to follow the script.
How can you beat a Corpirate system that’s based on GREED.
It will destroy itself if you stop supporting it.
If you stop believing in it?
It will implode much sooner.
Their phony black boxes and media shills are worthless if we shut them off.
Let them start chasing us for a change,
Shut it OFF!
Shut it Down.
PURGE
SURGE
Update and
REBOOT!
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 7, 2008 8:53 AM
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Why? Because political orientation gives CONTEXT to the calls, just as it does with my AlterNet comments about politics.
Today, I made four comments on AlterNet. This is the ONLY thread that identifies me as a "lifelong registered Republican." I made that concession after taking flack from my fellow AlterNetters. I also stopped listing my NONPROFIT Web site (you know the one).
Now, having made those accommodations, it's time to stop attacking Hugh Scott and focus on the REAL enemy, Unfit McCain. Otherwise, America will get what I predicted on my NONPROFIT Web site, such as:
If McCain wins in November, the neocons in Washington will increase their power, Bush's incompetent cronies will remain in office, our nation will become more divided, we will never know how many White House crimes were committed over the past eight years, and U.S. armed forces will attack Iran. America deserves a better future than that.
With love,
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran [For the benefit of first-time AlterNet visitors]
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain
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That's exactly how I felt during the months I was backing Hillary Clinton and would awake each morning to fresh salvos about her ankles, hair, tears, wandering husband, pantsuits, ad nauseum. The nut cracker, remember that one?
Yeah, now Obama knows how it feels to be treated unfairly (or is he)?
It seems to me he gets an inordinate amount of press, including loads of mainstream coverage of his "victory lap" through Europe.
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Uhh, ever hear of General Electric and their MILITARY Contracts??
Case Closed!!
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What I find humorous is that if they asked the average American whether our news is reliable and unbiased, they will laugh and wax nostalgic for the days where we used the British standard. Fact and only the facts. Our "news" services are actually working themselves right out of a job. I have not bought or read their crap for a while and once something momentous happens to expose their manipulations we will turn from them completely and even worse for them, the companies that advertise with them will too.
They can only get away with this in one way, if we let them. The best way to counteract it is to go to these companies websites, take down the names of their advertisers, and let the advertisers know that since they advertise with these media companies and we do not appreciate what the media company is doing and why that we have decided to boycott the advetisers products.
THAT will get the medias attention, that's for sure! Hit them where it hurts, their wallet. When their advertisers stop advertising with them they will lose the power to be in business and spread these lies. If we have any attorneys out there who can sue them for these activities and bog them down in court like a second front in the war, even better.
It comes down to us though. We are the deciders of whether we get treated with respect or like fools.
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Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Aug 7, 2008 10:43 AM
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For the record, let's say that Barack Obama is NOT a celebrity, in the "Hollywood' sense, but McCain put her into the spotlight by comparing her to his opponent. Someone should tell that codger that she isn't running for president and he should focus on other pressing matters. By doing so he might have sunk his chances of having a new address come January.
Therefore, Obama isn't in trouble. He's probably getting a kick ouf of the whole thing; and if you haven't seen Paris' parody, check out funnyordie.com. I love ya, Paris.
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Those are the ones that count - remember?
There is no reason to worry about McCain winning. Even the nationwide polls show Obama well ahead, on average, EVEN with high numbers for "someone else," EVEN with Nader polling 6%. And that's without Bob Barr pulling votes away for the Libertarians.
There are lots of reasons for that - as others have pointed out, Obama is a very good candidate (disregarding positions), McCain a very poor one.
But the most important reason is simpler:
McCain is a REPUBLICAN, and everything is shifting against them this year, for excellent reasons I needn't repeat. So it really doesn't matter if the MSM love him, every video shows the nation a feeble old man of the wrong party (and yes, I'm old enough to say that). A very familiar old man, when the country does want "change" - that's why Obama beat Clinton. (Ironic: the poor woman had to run against a younger clone of her own husband. Sometimes there's justice.)
And then, of course, there's that dead, stinking albatross hanging around McCain's neck: the Bush administration. And that convenient video of Bush endorsing him.
The only way the Dems can lose this year is deliberately.
Oh, yes: or if the Bushies steal it, flagrantly and openly, or cancel the election. I think we should be prepared to bring the country to a standstill if that happens, because it's a real possibility. In fact, such preparations might be the only way we can prevent it. The Democratic Party sure isn't going to.
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Aug 7, 2008 11:32 AM
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By far the largest element driving voters is the economy. No matter how the brain dead press slices and dices the news, people will vote based on their own condition. The '08 election will have high voter turnout and millions of disgruntled voters across the spectrum.
And just wait for those debates as McCain stumbles and bumbles his way through the questions.
The worse thing may be what Obama is going to have to face when he gets to the White House.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 7, 2008 11:36 AM
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He sacked the only person on his team making sense on foreign policy (Samantha Power), and I wait for more news.
I do know this: like it or not the US is stuck with the duty of providing security to the world's economy and institutions. Until something can come to replace this fact, the US has this burden and cost. Any liberals willing to stump up the cash to build an alternative global security apparatus? I didn't think so...
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» Oh, my goodness, a genuine dinosaur....... LOL
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Posted by: 876 on Aug 7, 2008 1:20 PM
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Get a grip and stop fawning over every db that comes along with a mouth full of empty promises and some well rehearsed excuse for a personality. You are the most vapid simple people on earth. Any idiot with a few with lines could mesmerize you people. You are like a nation of children desperate for someone to tell you everything will be okay. Nothing will be okay. The way your political system is set up you people will produce one blood thirsty imperialist bastard after another. This is exactly like when you people voted for Bush a man you all agreed you wanted to “share a beer with” but now disown as not representing you… Even though you voted for him.
I propose the Al Qaida should invade your nation and “liberate” you poor souls as you have done for others.
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» How about presenting FACTS instead of hyperbole (baseless bullshit), 876.
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» RE: very bit the sicko as McCain
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» Just reading your reply confirms his position.
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Posted by: nikolai on Aug 7, 2008 1:30 PM
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Still, there are other things to worry about, one being that it seems many Americans DON'T really want a stately, dignified politician as they seem to identify more with a schmuck, possibly to make themselves feel better; after all, GWB was "re-elected" wasn't he?
One last thing that really worries me is that people say they want change, but when it comes down to it they really DON'T want change, and when they enter the voting booth to cast their ballots, I fear they will NOT take the bold step of voting for Obama, as they are more comfortable with the white devil they know rather than the black angel they don't.
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Posted by: 220vBrain on Aug 7, 2008 2:48 PM
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We don't want those empty rhetorical statements autopsied in a public format, where the raw, ugly viseral facts might be exposed.Especially,if it might somehow show that millions have been duped, conned, and played the fools by a politically ladder climbing Svengali!
We live in a society where only Kumbaya touchy feely happy thoughts can be spoken, and everything else is politically incorrect. We have allowed Monsters to be born out of the pewtrid rotting morass of dead ideas and grey acrid flesh that we keep electing and sending to the Washington D.C. graveyard. All we get back are abominations calling themselves our representives. Barack Obama is such a creation. He was born out of mass hysteria, and a longing for something alive out of the capital. The vampiric media sychopants looking for fresher flesh to feast on, helped hype this creation, by wrongly viewing it as some sort of mighty demi-god come up out of the bowels of Washington Hell.
No, this thing, this Barackenstein Monster is just another ungodly political creation let loose upon the public to make brides out of the happless and the stupid. Don't let the syrup dripping out it's mouth fool you. Upon closer examination, you'll find it to be deadly venom!
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Posted by: Docent on Aug 7, 2008 3:07 PM
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Unfortunately it seems that the average person doesn't want to be bothered to look behind just mere words and video talking heads that are presented in the media, they just want to watch the 11:00 PM news, listen to a few "blips" in the news, along with the local kidnapping or carjacking and hear a cute "human interest" story along with the talking heads chatting to themselves.
My assessment, is that the mainstream media,
which is now almost all corporate controlled, has decided who we should elect to protect their megaprofit bottom lines - and give us
"Pap" for the masses....and no one seems to be noticing.
Remember, the news media used to provide a public service, and did not have "sponsors" and
"advertisers" to bulk up the bottom line - now all the "news" we seem to think we're getting is firmly based on how "big the ratings are" and how much money they can get for their time spot for airing their commercials.
These are my comments - and I'm sticking by them!
Docent
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Posted by: Judy Speaks on Aug 7, 2008 3:12 PM
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Posted by: PaulC on Aug 7, 2008 3:28 PM
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McCain has NEVER been pro-environment - NEVER! His lifetime League of Conservation Voters (LCV) score is a pathetic 24 percent! That means for every vitally important piece of legislation dealing with clean air, clean water, energy policy, parks, logging or mining regulation, conservation, family farming, and so on to come up for a vote, THREE OUT OF FOUR TIMES McCain votes AGAINST average working Americans and the environment that is their legacy!
McCain IS NOT A "MAVERICK"! He is a calculating political animal, and at heart he is a rabid neocon far right nut job, with the second most conservative voting record in the Senate!
And the "Straight talk express" that the author cites is PURE PROPAGANDA - IT IS MARKETING! And the author bought it hook, line and sinker!
You know it is bad when someone trying to document McCain "flip-flopping" starts from a position that basically was media spin.
McCain the flip-flopper gives him far too much credit - how about McCain the dishonest far right wing lunatic?
peace,
Paul
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You know what you are going to get with McSAME: nothing changed.
All the points people make about OBAMA's unreadiness are ridiculous as no president has had previous experience. What I do know is that if he is allowed to do even only some of what Progressive Democrats want, and give him a congress that isn't going to filibuster every decent bill that comes up to help the majority of us poor folks.
WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON OBAMA, WE MUST DO WHAT WE CAN not to get McBUSH.
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