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Are We Facing Just Another Market Problem or a System Collapse?

By Danny Schechter, AlterNet. Posted July 28, 2008.


Even as foreclosures double, and the price of gas and food rises sharply, it's been business as usual in newspapers and in Washington.

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The question we face in late July, as regulators seize two more banks, is: will we be engulfed by a further collapse in our economy or can the damage be contained, or, even turned around?

We know what goes up must come down but when will what's down go back up?

It isn't looking good -- and, even now, the two presumptive major party presidential candidates are talking about everything but this deepening crisis. They are debating terrorists and Afghanistan and how to meander out of Iraq but not the reality that so many Americans are living with: a squeeze that is leaving so many of us broke, in deeper and deeper debt and disgusted.

Until now, the doom and gloomsters were mostly to be found in the margins, in financial blogs or in the campaigns of Ron Paul, Ralph Nader or the Greens. The mainstream media has been looking the other way and mostly downplaying the unfolding disaster. Even as foreclosures double, and the price of gas and food rises sharply, it's been business as usual on the business pages, and among the liberal political pundits who would rather debate the cover of the New Yorker than the growing desperation of so many Americans.

The Congress finally passed a housing bill a year into the crisis with most of the money allocated to try to shore up two housing agencies with more than a half a trillion in housing assets. The markets are melting down with more major stocks tanking, banks writing off still more billions. and unemployment rising.

People in the know like George Soros are saying this is the worst financial crisis since the depression. Others fear another depression. This pessimism has reached Newsweek, a guardian of conventional wisdom, which now says "It's Worse Than You Think, writing "this downturn is likely to last longer than the eight-month-long recession of 2001. While the U.S. financial system processes popped stock bubbles quickly, it has always taken longer to hack through the overhang of bad debt. The head winds that drove the economy into this dead calm -- a housing and credit crisis, and rising energy and food prices -- have strengthened rather than let up in recent months. To aggravate matters, the twin crises that dominate the financial news -- a credit crunch and the global commodity boom -- are blunting the stimulus efforts."

We have two challenges: understanding the gravity of what is threatening us, and then discussing what could or should be done. We might also want to think about what the press should be reporting and what policy makers should be proposing.

On the foreclosure crisis, for example, I was just in Washington for five days with NACA, the Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America which took over a major hotel and set up a shop to counsel at risk home owners and advocate for affordable loans.

The Washington Post, based just across the street from the lines of some 20,000 people seeking help, did not cover it until it was over. But, to their credit, when they did they recognized that this effort by a not for profit citizens group was more effective in responding to the crisis than all the government agencies put together.

Writes Post Business columnist Steven Pearlstein:


"They came by plane and train, car and subway, starting before dawn and continuing late into the night, all of them clutching tattered folders and envelopes stuffed with the documentary evidence of their financial hardship and miscalculation.

"It was striking how well-organized and executed it all was. Outside, there were plenty of volunteers and staff -- 350 were flown in from around the country -- doling out information, advice and sympathy to those waiting in line.

"In the space of 30 to 60 minutes, the well-trained, upbeat counselors managed to win the trust of their new clients, wring promises of a more frugal lifestyle and enter into their computers the relevant financial details. At a push of a button, NACA's underwriting system declared how much the client could afford in monthly mortgage payments, and automatically requested the mortgage servicing company to modify the loan accordingly. Depending on the service and the loan, the answer might be available in a matter of days or even hours. In about half the cases, the result is likely to be a below-market, fixed-rate loan with hundreds of dollars cut from their monthly payments."

So here's one example of what can be done by an economic justice organization fusing services and advocacy. This all happened three blocks from the White House. While federal regulators visited, none of the progressive DC think tanks or even unions showed up in solidarity even though AFL-CIO headquarters is a block away.

Individuals need help but we all need change. Are we dealing with just another market mistake, the latest bubble gone bust in a volatile business cycle or a straining system on the verge of breakdown? Can we solve all this with an Alka-Seltzer-like infusion of new taxes or regulations?

Or, is Gerry Gold, economics editor of the UK's A World to Win, right when he argues, "The urgency of building a movement to replace capital, not to rescue it, cannot be overstated. This will mean a major program extending social ownership to all sectors of the economy, ending the distribution of profits to shareholders, and replacing the system of selling labor for wages with collective decision-making about the distribution of an organization's income."

Pie in the sky? Or is the sky really falling, made worse by global warming, wars without end, and resource depletion? If Obama or McCain are to "fix" what's broken, they better start talking about it. And once they inevitably do, will either one of them, once elected, be able to overcome Congressional inertia and the power of corporate/finance industry lobbies?

If the rest of us see what's coming, we better speak up too. Remember, when you see something say something? It's also time to do more than talk.

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Danny Schechter writes a blog for MediaChannel.org. He is the author of "Embedded: Weapons of Mass Deception: How the Media Failed to Cover the War on Iraq" (Prometheus).

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Doing bin-Laden's work for him, Enron Alumni and Phil Gramm..
Posted by: TJColatrella on Jul 28, 2008 12:49 PM   
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If we do not address the deregulation of so many facets of the market then we shall see the further cannibalization of our economy as is record..

These traders have had a negative effect on our housing market our energy and also other investment houses such as in the bear Sterns case..

The E-trading that was designed and developed by Enron has a lot to do with this and these are the dark markets you've heard of...

The Republicans stopped one bill which sought to address the trading by speculators who have manipulated often criminally our Oil prices on the Futures market already..they are using these high prices to blackmail America and the Congress for their long sought off shore and ANWAR drilling..

This was also a factor in the UBS packaging and bundling of loans in the Sub Prime disaster..and short selling that brought down Bear Sterns..it's all interrelated and connected...

Many of the same scum bags who worked for Enron, are now all over picked up by houses like Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley and others even in Dubai attacking and manipulating our economy..

bin-Laden tried to destroy our economy on 9/11 but it's Enron alumni and Phil Gramm and the Republicans who are completing his intended mission for him..

We must end this wild west out of control deregulation that is destroying our economy some 150 other banks are expected to potentially collapse..and the FDIC used 25% of it's Reserve just bailing out IndyMac Bank as it is..that's just one bank..25% of it's reserve..what happens if 150 go belly up..?

A total collapse is at least very possible and it may occur much quicker than you think due to the "dark markets" and computer and
E-trading..a cascade effect that cannot be stopped in time is very possible..

We are under economic attack from within it's asymmetrical economic warfare against America and it's people and even our allies..

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Same old, same old.
Posted by: Sojourner on Jul 28, 2008 1:15 PM   
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The original justification for the corporation was that it lends itself to social justice. Anything can be perverted, and corporations have been turned into agencies for maintaining slave labor. But we all know that. It has been documented over and over. The question is why nothing corrects the distortion.

So long as we have a political class of the rich and the richer, change will not come from them. The wealthy decision makers do not want any changes. Why should they? They have it all already. So they will continue Reagan’s policies of backing and filling to prevent change. They will start wars. They will suppress dissent. They will turn our nation into as close an imitation to Big Brother in “1984” as they can.

GOP administrations have deliberately and willfully created a new proletarian class. Rich Demo politicians have been happy to abet the effort. It may take a hundred years before we, prols, realize our condition and get organized to do something about it. It is predictable, however, so long as nothing is done to reduce poverty. The American Dream is not wealth. It is social change without violence. Stifle social change and the violence follows. To have a democracy means we bring it on ourselves.

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» RE: Same old, same old. Posted by: ranchero42
Greed and arrogance always topple empires
Posted by: SevenStarHand on Jul 28, 2008 1:38 PM   
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The great lesson of history that most fail to discern is that the very driving force that leads to empire is the very same thing that causes their demise. Greed and arrogance have both mechanistic and spiritual negatives. The combined cause and effects (karma, system wide blowback, stupid mistakes, etc. etc.) always result in failure.

The great lesson to humanity is that empire, money, and materialism as a way of life are folly and foolishness. Just like past empires, the greediest always rise to the top, do stupid things, and then everyone else suffers and struggles as the end result. Politics and democracy only make it seem like you have a say in the matter (smoke and mirrors, shell games, shills...) . The Bush-Cheney-Vatican lie-machine has ripped the veil off of that sacred cow to expose the dark heart within.

Perhaps it's time to think outside of the box, seek verifiable wisdom, and finally simply cooperate with one another to implement true and lasting solutions to humanity's seemingly never-ending struggles and suffering. A good first step is to stop trusting the most greedy and arrogant among us, hence, politicians and those who pull their strings from the shadows...

Sounding like a broken record, but the tune's a good one...

Here is Wisdom...

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Kucinich's chief economic advisor argues that it is a system collapse
Posted by: fanny666 on Jul 28, 2008 1:42 PM   
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Time for a change.....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 28, 2008 1:46 PM   
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This article is a good start. The people have been given pablum for years, and they have lapped it up. I for one am fed up with left/right arguments. What happened to "for the good of the country".

The corporations and the rich that run them have gotten fat off of the backs of the middle and the poor. They take the up-front hand-outs (called subsidies), and on the back end they rake in the dividends. Of course when it's social matters for everyone else it's called WELFARE! Well, how about we do the rich what Clinton did to the rest - cut out those WELFARE benefits for the corporations and their highly paid CEO's.

It could work like this you pay your CEO's over 2 million you get no subsidies. You take your jobs overseas you get no tax breaks because you're an "American" owned company. You stash your money in the Cayman Islands - you get taxed at 60%, because we're tired of playing the hide & seek game.

Oil executives - no problem your taxes should be 35% of your salary. Hedge fund managers your taxes shouldn't be based on the Capital Gains tax rate - you should pay the same as everyone else that's making a salary of 6 figures 28%. Those people that make 7 figure incomes that pay no Social Security on that money - no problem - when it comes time for you to collect you will get the bare minimum of a check, after all you've still got millions!!!!

You move your office headquarters to Dubai (ala Haliburton), no problem your executives need to live in Dubai for life otherwise you're taxed at 45%! I think that's fair and equitable.

I believe that those people that have gotten us into all of these messes de-regulation housing, banking, economic fiasco need to be taxed at 55% to return to the American coffers what they helped their buddies steal. I also believe that they need some jail time (but thats another blog).

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» RE: Time for a change..... Posted by: rleslie66
It has happened before in the 1980s and it's happening again. FORECLOSE WASHINGTON and let it BURN !
Posted by: jwverez on Jul 28, 2008 1:54 PM   
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Come on everyone, let's BULLDOZE or at least let Washington COLLAPSE to the floor and rebuild government for the people by the people ! Frankly, I'd prefer to enjoy BULLDOZING Washington but since I had enough of bulldozing in Vietnam, I think I'll let God lock this country into irreversible collapse ! :(

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The Perfect Storm Cometh ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 28, 2008 2:15 PM   
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Peak Oil, Water, Food, the credit collapse, the $800 Billion trade deficit, the ballooning budget deficit, public and private debt at 350% of GDP, the housing collapse, an economy in free fall and the absence of governance.

The answer is Medicare For All freeing up money for corporations, states, counties, cities and individuals.

The answer is a Tax System that taxes all income the same. Corporate, Individual, Capital Gains, Dividends and Estate Taxes with a top rate for individuals and estates of 50% or over.

The most important piece is the establishment of a Public Central Bank that creates money without debt ( Why should we have to borrow our own money? ) and that arbitrates all credit through interest rate differentials. Credit is the rightful property of the people through their government. This would add hundreds of billions if not over a trillion to the government coffers per year.

These measures with some others would reduce overall debt without crashing the money supply, the credit supply and the economy.

And finally we need to declare an energy emergency and begin to electrify our transportation with battery electric cars, trucks and buses while investing trillions in our electric grid. In this way we reduce oil imports, trade deficits and pollution while creating affordable transportation. New renewable electric generation could be plugged right into the improved grid.

This series of steps is entirely possible but I'm not holding my breath, especially for truly public money and credit creation. The banks will not give up their monopoly of money creation without a fierce fight.

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If it looks like a depression and sounds like a depression, it must be a depression
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Jul 28, 2008 2:37 PM   
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Those prognosticators of gloom and doom in the economy fail to recognize the tremendous boost that the Bush Administration has injected into our Friedmansian system.

What better way to stimulate an economy then to be involved in two wars at the same time the cost of which has exceeded two trillion dollars. If World War II pulled us out of the depression in the thirties, imagine the positive impact of two wars.

It is a well known nostrum for economic slowdowns to lower taxes. Bush's plan exceeds the wildest dreams of Hayek and Friedman. Not only has he lowered taxes but only the top one percent of the population benefits and everyone knows that they spend extravagantly.

Very cleverly, the Bushites have created an enormous budget deficit, trade deficit and current accounts deficit to force countries such as China to invest in the United States.

Obviously, the President was worth more than the "C" that he earned at University. I will bet his professors are scratching their heads now.

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» Huh? Posted by: SpiderWoman
» RE: Huh? Posted by: Lauren
Nearly a statistical impossibility
Posted by: 6399 on Jul 28, 2008 3:14 PM   
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"The question we face in late July, as regulators seize two more banks, is: will we be engulfed by a further collapse in our economy or can the damage be contained, or, even turned around?"

With a $9.5 trillion national debt and an almost notional $54 trillion shortfall in various government obligations (i.e. Social Security, Medicair/Medicaid), I don't see how anyone in their right mind could even ask this question. Of course this ship can't be righted! For fuck sake, people!

Nothing short of an all out neo-industrial revolution consisting of quantum leaps in energy generation and the mass production of accompanying products could re-launch this country to the economic head of the class. Remember, we're talking about Gossip Girl nation here. The vast majority of Americans cannot even locate the two countries in which we are waging war. Oh, and here's the kicker . . . We would necessarily have to stop consuming and start saving. Doesn't leave much hope for a country in desperately short supply of cortical gray matter, now does it?

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what's wrong with a collapse
Posted by: Joe on Jul 28, 2008 6:16 PM   
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government doesn't benefit the average person other than keep them in line.

the centralized federal reserve doesn't benefit the average person other than keep them in line.

let it fall for all i care.

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You think a trillion dollar deficit is business as usual??
Posted by: dayahka on Jul 28, 2008 6:59 PM   
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OK, I know it's said to be only 500 billion or so, but that didn't include the other 500 billion at a minimum to nationalize the entire housing industry and get more money from foreigners. But this is certainly not business as usual, unless you call the most irresponsible spending in world history by Bush and this Congress as "usual." I think every sign points to extreme panic on the part of the upper class and leaders of this Union of Socialist States of America. Big panic covered with a veneer of BAU.

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Collapse
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Jul 28, 2008 8:43 PM   
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I think we are looking at a full blown collapse. I also think the "sheeple" are getting tired of it and that its time to DO something about it.

JT
Ultimate Anonymity

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YOU
Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL on Jul 28, 2008 8:57 PM   
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YOU and YOUR children will spend the rest of YOUR lives paying the Chinese for a war YOU didn't want. YOU had better hope that the people we owe money to don't invade YOUR country and knock on YOUR door looking for YOUR share of what YOU owe. YOU will work for them. YOU will always work for them, and YOU will be grateful for whatever they allow YOU to keep.
Bush...eh, he's going to Paraguay. Or the Hague.

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KOOL-AID CRASH STATE
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jul 28, 2008 10:17 PM   
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Schechter’s piece seems well-intentioned and is one feeble limited hanout.

A crash has already begun. Like bogus 9/11 war on a noun ("war on terror") it's about as real as the private Ponzi scheme "Federal Reserve" Corp that is not federal and has minus no reserves.

This crash like so many others was a setup planned and promoted by what George Carlin called “the owners” of a Fascist Corporate Monopoly State (a.k.a. Kool-Aid State) that runs a Washington-MSM axis like the stooge puppet circus it surely is.

One critical thing to remember: real wealth is never destroyed in centrally rigged financial panics. Wealth merely changes hands from the many to the cozy few who usually plan such crashes. And wealth is power. Once taken, it is not returned.

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Define recession
Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 28, 2008 10:27 PM   
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"this downturn is likely to last longer than the eight-month-long recession of 2001.

For many, things never really got better after the dot-com crash. Wages never picked up, certainly, and healthcare costs, gas prices and offshoring/inshoring of jobs have been on the rise since 2001.

This presidency has been like one long, slow-motion disaster movie. For some of us, anyway.

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The bastards in power are trying to avoid the guillotine
Posted by: Farasien on Jul 29, 2008 5:44 AM   
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This isn't a market correction, slight recession or something similar. It isn't even something as minor as a depression- its a full-on collapse of the market system as we know it. The reason you don't hear about it is the same reason Hitler only broadcast military victories to his citizens during WW2- he didn't want a full-on revolt. If King Dipshit or any of his financial bunglers were to tell the american people just how screwed they really are, there would be war in the streets, politician's bodies hanging from nooses and bankers being dismembered in the streets of every city in the USA. We're far more screwed than almost anyone would believe, and the only thing keeping the country out of mob uprisings is the filter of the news (or simple unwillingness to report it). Simply put- if its on any of the major networks, its government propaganda. Want the real news? Look internationally and to non-corporate alternative media. What you see is likely to give you nightmares, but at least it'll be the truth.

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STARVE THE BEAST!
Posted by: makeadifference on Jul 29, 2008 7:07 AM   
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Starve the beast! All states should STOP paying Federal taxes. Why are we so willing to hand them our money... the IRS is illegal! Let Washington DC fold... they couldn't fund the war(s) or pay their mercenaries, etc.

Let's go after our local officials and governors to enact new laws and pay state and local taxes ONLY. Remember we out number "them" - 300 million to 3 thousand!

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» RE: STARVE THE BEAST! Posted by: GuyCybershy
Mathematically Perfected Economy is the SOLUTION
Posted by: mike montagne on Jul 29, 2008 9:24 AM   
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It is to the greatest discredit of our populace that we wait until now to consider solution. In the early 1980s I provided the Reagan Administration with computer models which calculated/projected the maximum possible lifespan of any purported economy subject to interest. Those models projected not only that his unqualified policies would fail, but that he would triple national debt, and that they purported U.S. economy would fail approximately 2010 AD. You can still download those models from our pages, run the numbers, and see the results for yourself.

The article says, "We know what goes up must come down but when will what's down go back up?" The first proposition is bull; and it is critical that you understand it. Interest inherently and irreversibly multiplies debt in proportion to a circulation, and because it does so, from the beginning... but ever moreso across time, what "economic" (uneconomic) progress we have made has been obstructed and diminished to an ever greater degree by servicing the artificial multiplication of debt which, for the purpose of profit, was the original objective of the private, so called Federal Reserve System.

A process of inherent multiplication of debt in proportion to a circulation however ultimately predicates collapse. There is one and one only solution to this process, to inflation and inflation, and to systemic manipulation of the cost or value of money of property. These 3 categories of irregularity comprise all our monetary problems.

The one solution is mathematically perfected economy™. I first published the theses of mathematically perfected economy™ in 1979. The few attempts to disprove the thesis are documented at PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy™.

We don't have much time to assimilate solution. But you can only blame yourselves now if you fail to stand for solution.

The transition to MPE™ is painless. It requires re-financing all debt without interest, and a schedule of payment in which a monetary obligation equal to the original value of the asset is paid off at the rate of consumption/depreciation. Thus a $100,000 home with a hundred-year lifespan costs $1,000/year, or $83.33/month.

If you are interested further in real solution, ask the editors to have me write articles on solution. Otherwise, kiss yourself and "your" country good-bye, or find so many as 100 articles regarding solution at PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy™.

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SO...
Posted by: JoshuaR on Jul 29, 2008 12:34 PM   
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Now we are all realizing that the current model of Capitalism is unsustainable and that we are headed for a depression or worse. What I find interesting on this page is how certain people are GLAD of this, though they don't seem to have any solutions for rebuilding.

Also, dear Alternet readers, you are the same people who support mass immigration to the West. Most who read this are white. These brown and black people are going to be going for your throat. Also, Europe is going down with us. They have made a suicidal mistake letting the Third World into their countries.

The entire West is now going to be a violent Third World paradise. Just what the white multiculturalists wanted.

Give a Hispanic a sub-prime morgage and look what happens.

It's more than just George W. Bush and Neo-Con crazies that caused this. The Multicultural Left needs to look in the mirror as well.

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Lots of complaints, few solutions... (Part 1)
Posted by: djnoll on Jul 29, 2008 12:55 PM   
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I am the first person to admit that I have not read all the responses to this article, or even the article in its entirety, but from what I have read, I find myself amazed that it has taken so long for people to recognize this. When ERISA was passed in the early 1970's, letting corporations off the hook for pension management for employees, we started down this economic road. When we switched from a demand economy to a supply economy under Reagan, we started racing down this road, pushed along by corporate greed and baby boomer stupidity. Yes, I am a baby boomer and I am appalled at how my generation (that means you, Ms. Fonda) abandoned our ideals in favor of pursuit of the almighty buck and the whims of the super-rich.

Now here are the solutions that people need to understand - it is not just the economy or the war or government spending or any of the myriad other issues. These issues are all connected in one way or another and must be addressed together.

It is the willingness of the American people to stop spending on every new toy and gadget and car. We must stop trying to follow the adage about the guy who dies with the most stuff is the winner. GET A GRIP, FOLKS, HE IS STILL DEAD! We need to start cutting up credit cards, paying off our debts, and stop whining about outsourcing and start rebuilding locally. How many of the soon to be out of work automakers have talked to their company about an employee buy-out for their plant so that they can start their own manufacturing business? How many farmers have stood up and told Monsanto and Pfizer to go to Hell, you cannot patent life, through a class action suit against them for restraint of trade? How many of those losing their homes to the banks have gone to the banks, face-to-face and said "Your bank has a lot of red ink on its books right now, so here is the deal - rewrite my loan rolling over the back payments at its original loan rate as a fixed mortgage, and you get this one back in the black and the Feds off your backs." Our country will not withstand many more bank closures, and if even one major bank, say Wells Fargo or Washington Mutual, were to go belly up, so would FDIC without a Congressional intervention, and possibly even with such a bailout.

We need to stop thinking globally and start working within our communities to create self-sufficient systems and sustainable options, with people being active participants again in their own governance. We use pressure on elected officials, through the election process or the recall process, to get action that benefits the communities in which we live. We insist - no, threaten and demand - our officials to call a new Constitutional Convention that will once and for all put the power of this government where it belongs - in the hands of a free people.

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Lots of complaints, few solutions... (Part 2)
Posted by: djnoll on Jul 29, 2008 1:17 PM   
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To continue-

You start challenging the way your children and grandchildren are being educated. You demand that the schools teach history, civics, economics, and government as part of their curricula along with English, math, and science. If they say they cannot because they will lose federal funding, then tell them, lose the funding, and vote in a bond issue to cover the loss. The children are literally our futures (and the quality of life in our futures will depend on how they are educated), so invest in them with the same fervor you invested in the stock market.

Concentrate on finding ways to make your community self-sufficient and sustainable by creating local green jobs, creating opportunities for green businesses to come into your communities or for local businesses to go green. Believe it or not, studies and corporate bottom lines are showing that these localized businesses are very profitable and successful if supported by local citizens. Take the time to learn about ecological economics and then demand that local government officials use the guidelines for policy making. Become a stakeholder in your local government, not just a client of its services.

You do not need to be rich or particularly well educated to accomplish these goals. A single person with a vision can create a great deal of change. Start by getting to know your neighbors, develop neighborhoods, then band together with other neighborhoods to create political bases which can affect change. It is possible. You can solve the problems facing your country if you work together in your hometowns, because it is from these strong community alliances that state policy making and ultimately, federal policy can be effected.

Don't vote for politicians who do not know their history or their economics. Do not vote for one party candidate over another. Rather vote for the candidates for state offices and Congress who are responsive to your communities, who do not believe in globalization as the economic answer, who do not have close connections with corporations, and who will take the time to inspire you to be the best you can be. Vote for candidates who believe that by working together at the local level to create change, you can move the world. Vote for candidates who will demand accountability and not shirk from their promises to constituents and the nation to get justice and equality for its citizens.

If we change the way we approach economic questions, many of the problems of this nation and the world can be addressed; strip corporations of their personhood and you can take back your country; nationalize resources, temporarily, to determine best uses and availability; take legal action against companies and their directors and managers that have abused the public good; and in short, take responsibility as citizens to use every, and I do mean every, means available to you and your family and neighbors to demand of yourselves something better than being a consumer and a client!

It is time, America, to become strong and capable and well educated again. It is time to find ourselves again and stop listening to corporations and governmental agencies that only want us to become like the people in WALL-E - ignorant blobs who do nothing but consume. It is time to tighten our belts, and start working to rebuild - because if we do not, we will perish in the perfect storm that is coming. A depression is only part of the storm, in fact, it is just the tip of the iceberg.

In the 1940's a world war pulled us out of the depression. Let's not use famine, war, and pestilence to save our country this time from death. There are better, life-affirming ways, and we all know them. It is time to use them, or the alternative is we die as a nation, a people, a shining light in a very dark world.

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It's the war debt
Posted by: PaulK on Jul 29, 2008 2:43 PM   
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Note that I didn't say "it's the war debt stupid". Alternet readers are intelligent and thoughtful.

The Iraq war debt is added to the nuclear war debt which is added to the somewhat embezzled homeland security debt.

We also have set up our oil crisis to funnel vast profits first to the Republicans' favorite offshore oil companies, and then to the Republicans' favorite dictatorial friends, who in subtle ways give little useful kickbacks. Cheney secretly reads his Chairman Mao little red book at night between counting the trillions that he's sent to the Red Chinese military regime. Remember that Bandar Bush (the family's endearing term for the long lost Bush brother) is a member of the Saudi royal family.

Then there are the off-the-books debts. What do we owe our 300,000 disabled Iraq war vets in the next 50 years or so? What do we owe the long-term disabled victims of pollution that we let run rampant, and of toxic consumer products like perfumes and pesticides?

Totaling up the debts, we apparently have a paper government held up by the illusion that the money is good. In reality, the only way to pay off a 10 trillion dollar debt is to print up 10 trillion dollars. What promise is your retirement fund backed with? Euros?

Uncle Sam has now been strangled in a bathtub by the neocons. It's not the "little" banks, it's not even Fannie Mae, it's the really big bank that is fairly empty. There shall be an accelerating run on the dollar in favor of Euros. Everyone else will be caught financing the past war.

Oh, and we don't have enough dollars left for even one foreign military occupation or massive foreign death squad hiring for another four years. McCain's dream of 100 years in Iraq is an argument for legalizing pot. Darn horse tranquilizer additives!

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Answer: System Collapse
Posted by: Trazom on Jul 29, 2008 7:46 PM   
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This is what is going to happen. Most likely sometime between August 2008 and March/April 2009. I do not know the exact timeframe. Only that it will be the end of everything we have come to know. Modern day banking, grocery stores, automobiles, and finally electricity and heating oil, all gone.

Here are the answers. It is too late to write your politicians. It is too late to consolidate your debt. Rather, this is what must be done:

1. Buy the following: flashlights that don't require batteries, at least 2-3 good quality hunting/survival knives, rifle, crossbow, fishing pole (if you live near freshwater). Research solar cookers and SODIS for drinking water purification.

2. Get out of US dollars. Put 1/3 to 1/2 of your liquid net worth into gold/silver or gold/silver equivalents. I have a perference for silver as it is more affordable and seems to be more manipulated at the moment. I know not everyone can do this easily. Do what you can. Buy from local dealers or from on-line sites like bulliondirect.com. Keep cash to pay bills for next 6 months and then withdraw the rest. Keep in a safe place on your property. Your bank WILL DEFAULT and you WILL NOT get your money out if it's still there.

3. Stock up on food. This should really be #1 priority. Canned veggies, rice, tuna, peanut butter. Anything that keeps well. Stock up on meat and place in freezer if you have one. Meat will soon be unaffordable.

4. Stock up on gasoline if you have means. Very few do. You need 55 gallon steel drums in order to do so. This is risky because apparently Congress has recently passed anti-hording laws recently.

5. Stop contributing to 401k and/or retirement plans. Mine is already down 18% this year. It will be down 50% by the end of the year. Probably should withdraw too, though you'll pay a hefty penalty. Timing is up to you.

6. Prepare psychologically. I can't stress this enough. While most of the country is wallowing in depression and riots are breaking out, you'll have a cool head on your shoulders, or as close to it as possible. Know that the life you have now is going to change drastically. Start thinking about how you'll do ordinary things like cooking, brushing your teeth, and the like.

Sorry if this distrubs some, but this is the path that our government and Federal Reserve have put us on. Just for the record, I am not some doom-sayer Rambo style nut. I have just been awakened recently to what is really going on in the world. So please start preparing, time is of the essence.

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» RE: Answer: System Collapse Posted by: djnoll
As usual those on the "margins" are right... told you so, rich fuckers.
Posted by: DaBear on Jul 29, 2008 7:54 PM   
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Until now, the doom and gloomsters were mostly to be found in the margins, in financial blogs or in the campaigns of Ron Paul, Ralph Nader or the Greens. The mainstream media has been looking the other way and mostly downplaying the unfolding disaster.

Hah! Made me laugh. As usually the savants in the herd are right, and yup, marginalized, but no less accurate.

And what do the rich idiots do? Bail out Freddie and Indy Mac. Idiots. Fools.

When the rich are thrown out of their McMansions and the poor who actually do all the work in this fucked up kuntry are in charge, then we'll get some justice and some solutions. But until then, we'll all just be on the margins while the herd follows the rich assholes around hoping for a shot at jamming their middle fingers up the nearest wealthy sphincter in the hopes of fulfilling their anal fantasms while they bring down the entire nation around their ears. Same old same old. Pass the beer and cleanin' the guns... hang in their rich boyz, we know where you live.

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