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Even the Government's Nuclear Agency Thinks an Atomic Renaissance Is a Bad Idea

By Harvey Wasserman, CounterPunch. Posted July 28, 2008.


An unlikely source has dealt a devastating blow to the much-hyped revival of nuclear power: the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
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A devastating blow to the much-hyped revival of atomic power has been delivered by an unlikely source -- the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The NRC says the "standardized" designs on which the entire premise of returning nuclear power to center stage is based have massive holes in them, and may not be ready for approval for years to come.

Delivered by one of America's most notoriously docile agencies, the NRC's warning essentially says: that all cost estimates for new nuclear reactors -- and all licensing and construction schedules -- are completely up for grabs, and have no reliable basis in fact. Thus any comparisons between future atomic reactors and renewable technologies are moot at best. And any "hard number" basis for independent financing for future nukes may not be available for years to come, if ever.

These key points have been raised in searing testimony before state regulators by Jim Warren of the North Carolina Waste and Awareness Reduction Network and Tom Clements of the South Carolina Friends of the Earth, and by others now challenging proposed state-based financing for new Westinghouse AP-1000 reactors. The NRC gave conditional "certification" to this "standardized" design in 2004, allowing design work to continue. But as recently as June 27, the NRC has issued written warnings that hundreds of key design components remain without official approval. Indeed, Westinghouse has been forced to actually withdraw numerous key designs, throwing the entire permitting process into chaos.

The catastrophic outcome of similar problems has already become tangible. After two years under construction, the first "new generation" French reactor being built in Finland is already more than two years behind schedule, and more than $2.5 billion over budget. The scenario is reminiscent of the economic disaster that hit scores of "first generation" reactors, which came in massively over budget and, in many cases, decades behind promised completion dates.

In North and South Carolina, public interest groups are demanding the revocation of some $230 million in pre-construction costs already approved by state regulators for two proposed Duke Energy reactors. In both those states, as well as in Florida, Alabama and Georgia, Westinghouse AP-1000 reactors have been presented to regulatory commissions to be financed by ratepayers as they are being built.

This astounding pro-utility scheme forces electric consumers to pay billions of dollars for nuclear plants that may never operate, and whose costs are indeterminate. Sometimes called Construction Work in Progress, it lets utilities raise rates to pay for site clearing, project planning, and down payments on large equipment and heavy reactor components, such as pressure vessels, pumps and generators, that can involve hundreds of millions of dollars, even before the projects get final federal approval. The process in essence gives utilities an incentive to drive up construction costs as much as they can. It allows them to force ratepayers to cover legal fees incurred by the utilities to defend themselves against lawsuits by those very ratepayers. And the public is stuck with the bill for whatever is spent, even if the reactor never opens -- or if it melts down before it recoups its construction costs, as did Pennsylvania's Three Mile Island Unit Two in 1979, which self-destructed after just three months of operation.

According to Warren and Clements, Duke Energy and its cohorts have "filed some 6,500 pages of Westinghouse's technical design documents as the major component of applications" to build new reactors. "Of the 172 interconnected Westinghouse documents," say NCWARN and FOE, "only 21 have been certified." And most of what has been certified, they add, rely on systems that are unapproved, and that are key to the guts of the reactor, including such major components as the "reactor building, control room, cooling system, engineering designs, plant-wide alarm systems, piping and conduit."

In other words, despite millions of dollars of high-priced hype, the "new generation" of "standardized design" power plants actually does not exist. The plans for these reactors have not been finalized by the builders themselves, nor have they been approved by the regulators. There is no operating prototype of a Westinghouse AP-1000 from which to draw actual data about how safely these plants might actually operate, what their environmental impact might be, or what they might cost to build or run.


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Harvey Wasserman, a co-founder of Musicians United for Safe Energy, edits the nukefree.org web site. He is the author of SOLARTOPIA! Our Green-Powered Earth, A.D. 2030, is at www.solartopia.org. He can be reached at: Windhw@aol.com

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PWR's are.....
Posted by: Marlena on Jul 28, 2008 4:41 AM   
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old tech, 50's era. Like the makers of steam engines for railroads, they got "better" but could not compete with diesel. The real new nuke tech is pebble bed reactors.Stop building and arguing the merits or demerits of an outmoded tech, no matter how many pretty bells and whistles it has

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Here we go again.....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 28, 2008 5:15 AM   
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These reactor projects cannot get private financing, and cannot proceed without either massive federal subsidies and loan guarantees, or a flood of these state-based give-aways. They also cannot get private insurance against future melt-downs, and have no solution for their radioactive waste problem.

So once again the taxpayer gets screwed on both ends. These "newer technologies" are not even proven. And they still haven't figured out what to do with the waste. Please, give us a break. We should have learned from 3-mile island - nuclear is not a game we can play with and figure out as we go along. Anyone care to live on 3 mile island now, I didn't think so. And why is it that these ponzi schemes are to be financed by the taxpayer? Because if they should ever function the taxpayer will not be reaping those profits!!

While everyone wants cheap energy - those days are really are over. What we need are: (1)to invest in reliable renewable resources (wind, solar, etc), (2)serious conservation, (3)investment in the U.S. infrastructure to include better intra-state & inter-state public commuting, (4)more research and development into other possible alternatives.

I'm not against nuclear - provided that it is done safe and reliably, and so far the industry hasn't proven anything other than the fact that they just want to make money! Let them spend their own money for initial development, that would ensure that they keep their costs under control and not those pie-in-the-sky, sock-it-to-the-taxpayer ponzi scams that we currently bankroll the oil companies with.

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» Rebuttal: Posted by: abbadon2007
» Reality: Posted by: PaulC
» Honestly, Paul..... Posted by: mjabele
» RE: Here we go again..... Posted by: john mont
» RE: NRC? Posted by: sasquuatch55
Germany decided to phase out nuclear in 2001...
Posted by: mjabele on Jul 28, 2008 5:35 AM   
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...now the German government is proposing to construct more coal-fired power plants to compensate for the looming "energy gap" which they realize is coming.

http://www.spiegel.de/inter national/germany/0,1518,472786,00.html (remove the space between "inter" and "national" before pasting).

To me, at least, there's a deep irony here.

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» 6 billion points of view Posted by: edith
» RE: 6 billion points of view Posted by: mtnprivy
As long as America, Europe, and a great deal of this planet are stuck with very dangerous MISleaders
Posted by: jwverez on Jul 28, 2008 7:55 AM   
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nuclear would be best put out of the question. Like one of the posters indicated, it would take loads of financing and let's face it. The irony is that even Wall Street and the "free" enterprise markets won't support it. And let's not forget Big Insurance. Not that they would ever protect/compensate you from the damaging effects of coal but I'm not comfortable about their lack of protection from nuclear side effects. Frankly, I would much rather we leave fossil fuels and nuclear alone if we're going to reduce our health care costs significantly and give Mother Earth her long due respect as I for one feel that Mother Earth is retaliating against us mankind raping her for fossils and nuclear but raising our health care costs and taking away our safe living thanks to taking it all for granted way too far ! And the last thing this planet needs is more wars and unfortunately with nuclear, recycling spent fuel via the breeder is cheaper for weaponry than it is for recovering usable fuel. I may not be a total expert in nuclear physics but I know plenty enough to realize that our political MISleadership in both parties and around the globe will most likely cooperate with electric companies utilizing nuclear fuels to invent more energy crisis by diverting the fuel for electricity to fuel for more senseless wars while at the same time price gouging us and making nuclear energy for electricity less affordable. It's a win-win for the warmongering pols and the price gouging industries but a LOSE-LOSE for the rest of us !

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This debate will go on for all eternity
Posted by: ciccio on Jul 28, 2008 1:50 PM   
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It will also never be solved. It is not that we have too little energy, it is that we have too many people. Business is run on a principal of perpetual growth, to hell with the ever rising cost of everything, that means only more profits.
The owners of these businesses are not in the least bit bothered about more and more jammed subways, their chauffeur looks after that problem.
The fact that the ever increasing demand for food has resulted in more foodlike substances bearing little relation to the real stuff is of no consequence, their cooks take care of it.
They are not crowded into ghettos, their children do not go to second rate schools and they have the finest health care money can buy, all thanks to unlimited growth. Their only concern with the energy problem is who to maximize the profit from it. I am an old man now, but I remember the dreams of my youth, all those advance in science, the labour saving technologies, the advances in health care should
have led to a far better life for all, those dreams have been swallowed by voracious greed and and thoughtless breeding far beyond the carrying capacity of the planet. In short, though we may have a bit more money now, the quality of life, not measured by 50" plasma Tv's
and 3 cars in the driveway, has plummeted.

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» presumption galore Posted by: bingahaba
» Mixed Metaphors Galore Posted by: edith
» Trolls and tactics Posted by: bingahaba
» RE: Trolls and tactics Posted by: bingahaba
» Two more questions Posted by: bingahaba
» RE: Two more questions Posted by: mjabele
» RE: Two more questions Posted by: bingahaba
» Very good! Posted by: PaulC
» Sorry Posted by: bingahaba
» Additional issues..... Posted by: mjabele
» Additional issues, cont..... Posted by: mjabele
» Lastly... Posted by: mjabele
» An apology Posted by: bingahaba
» ...heartily accepted... Posted by: mjabele
» likewise Posted by: bingahaba
» My training is broadly the same Posted by: bingahaba
» IP not DNS Posted by: bingahaba
» Horrid Newbie - ewww ;) Posted by: bingahaba
» I can't help but add... Posted by: mjabele
» Make Analysis Interesting Posted by: bingahaba
» Similar costs for nukes Posted by: bingahaba
» Can't find that article Posted by: bingahaba
Trying to find the original report he talks about
Posted by: fanny666 on Jul 29, 2008 11:44 AM   
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link

Anybody know what it's called?

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Too expensive, dangerous, and, indeed too little, too late!
Posted by: JPHickey on Jul 29, 2008 4:59 PM   
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After looking through the comments, I've come to the conclusion this topic is clouded by unlimited brain-fog.

Of course, I've been wondering why nuclear power has even been considered to be a realistic alternative. Forcing our own citizens to pay for it without their even realizing what is going on is hardly honest and transparent.

Any project as expensive and ill-defined would never be funded through legitimate sources. Yet the government has made it all seem like it is just necessary and important to support without question -- sort of like the funding of the Iraq War.

Even if the building of these plants was somehow really on the up and up, which is definitly isn't, the whole presentation is just another fraudulent scheme right down in there with McCain's claim that we can all be enjoying lower prices at the pump soon via off-shore drilling, while in reality it'll be a cold day in hell before this approach lowers gas prices.

Just how dumb have we gotten while getting our hopes up to benefit from either nuclear or off-shore drilling as though it'll all happen next month. This is rediculous! Stupid is as stupid does.

Regardless of the hopes any of us invest in these rediculuous flim-flams, it won't really make much difference in the long-run. It won't save us, and it won't even help. So why not just calm down and learn to enjoy a simpler life, I have.

I still agree with the hippies. I'm going to do what I can to avoid paying for nuclear plants or off-shore drillin. Rather, I perfer being relatively responsible for my own energy needs mostly via solar.

The traditional powers-that-be want to keep us tied to their grids so they can guage us via either nuclear or big oil, or ethanol for that matter.

I hope most of you will realize that those of you getting their backs up in defense of nuclear must have just gotten up on the wrong side of the bed. Lighten up. I'm going to celebrate it's sinking toward oblivion tonight! And I don't care of you think we are all too weak and dependent to do anything with renewables. I suppose Washington politicians love that "can't do" spirit. That way we won't question the authorities and insist on better way to create a viable future! Like, argue about nuclear, don't make waves! Behave yourselves like good little children. As for me, I'll be out doing my own things and celebrating freedom!

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See my posts on the previous articles on this subject.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jul 29, 2008 6:17 PM   
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Alternet's latest "UPGRADE" has made it
impossible for me to post from my ancient
Macintosh running System 9 at home.
Alternet is censoring me by upgrading.
My computer cannot be upgraded further.

Nuclear power is the safest source of
electricity, bar none.

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» So there you are Miner Posted by: WizardofOhm
Side Thread: on safety, carbon emissions
Posted by: bingahaba on Jul 31, 2008 7:42 PM   
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mjabele:
As to the additional carbon, or lack thereof, there are at least two parts to this issue:

1. You are only adding CO2 until (if not after) you come online with new reactors. You may step over the precipice before that reduction (if the reduction exists) happens.

2. How one removes (i.e. on which schedule) the nukes is also relevant. PaulC has stated that he is arguing to turn off nuclear and fossil sources as wind sources come online to replace them, i.e. a situation under which there is no need to replace nuclear with fossil. Note that I'm including growth in energy usage here - I presume the basis of your power-gap - an example:

In some year energy consumption grows by (e.g.) five percent, e.g. 5GWh (giga-Watt-hour - you'd have to look on e.g. wikipedia if you want actual numbers). If 10GWh/year average wind capacity is added in that year, PaulC is suggesting that 5GWh/year be removed from the Nuke/Fossil batch of generation (i.e. power-plants, or output, as most applicable).

Of course, depending on which of fossil or nuclear sources produce the most CO2/unit energy and which is turned off first, one may get more or less CO2. I believe the former issue (CO2/unit energy for each technology) is one of contention.

Hard numbers are a highly technical issue, and I've neither studied the report (van Leeuwen & Smith) in sufficient detail, nor is my background in the estimation of nuclear or coal net CO2 release.

One last thing - there is no need to feel intimidated by the basics of power-systems, or those who have engineering degrees - I fault PaulC (perhaps because he veered off the noble path of Engineering to do graphics :P ) for not putting the term "Power Gap" in sufficient context. As to whether there is in fact a gap is another matter - I hope he'll assemble some data on power consumption growth in Germany, and the growth in power availability, or find some. As to the creation of "power gaps" as PR, I'd suggest from my own reading, "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" - his style is somewhat conspirational, due to his (as far as I'm concerned) psychological immaturity, but the facts and method he presents are quite common - one tries to get bigger contracts by claiming that a need exists - I've done contract work for non-specialist customers before... (If it helps, I didn't negotiate the contracts, so I can claim innocence.)

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» units too small Posted by: bingahaba
» Environmental organizations Posted by: bingahaba
» RE: Environmental organizations Posted by: bingahaba
» To PaulC Posted by: bingahaba
» I should add Posted by: bingahaba
» again Posted by: bingahaba
Relocation: Moving of nuclear discussion on "O'Reilly attacks" here
Posted by: bingahaba on Aug 23, 2008 12:12 AM   
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Daniel1982 brought up nuclear power as a matter of discussion on the "O'Reilly Attacks Woman Who Connects Dots Between Hate Speech and Violence" article. I'm hereby trying to move that discussion here.

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» On claims of nuclear power Posted by: bingahaba
It's the price of uranium, my friends
Posted by: JayHaden on Aug 23, 2008 1:02 PM   
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For anyone interested in the fate of US nuclear power generators that were actually welcomed, backed by bonds and under construction, you might look at the history of the Western Washington Public Power Supply System in Washington State. In the 1970's, WWPPS (pronounced wups!) floated $8 billion worth of bonds to build five nuclear reactors. I believe it started to build two of them and quit because demand diminished (due to conservation, maybe?). There was also the question of plunking them down in the middle of a highly active seismic zone. It ended up defaulting on over $2 billion which messed up the financial markets for a long time, and it never went operational with any of the new power plants. I worked for the Governor of Washington at the time (um, a Republican) so remember it well.

The fact that China and Europe may be investing heavily in nuclear reinforces my argument regarding the price of uranium. Starting decades ago when uranium was dirt cheap, France is now generating 70% of its electricity with nukes. If the rest of Europe were to follow, what does that do to demand? Remember that the OECD (the main economic think tank for developed countries) has projected an 85 year supply from all known reserves. That's both the easy and hard to get at ore.

Now, add China to the mix, and probably India. Why would China invest so heavily? Because it is sitting on trillions of dollars, has a huge construction industry that must be fed, and will need oodles of energy from all sources. China is also investing heavily in solar and wind power, coal, gas, etc. It controls the Sudan oil fields (keeping us or anyone from helping the Darfurians) and is making big play for other energy and mineral resources in Africa and Latin America. In short, China is not overlooking anything. Even if cheap uranium will last only 10-15 years, China will milk that source until it disappears -- regardless of the costs and environmental dangers.

The US has had reasonably good luck with nukes -- only a few major mishaps, along with many "minor" ones (like the guy that got nailed to the roof of a reactor by an exploding fuel rod in Idaho). Our big problem has been waste disposal, which I won't get into here. Suffice it to say, stuff inevitably leaks, no matter where you put it (what are the French doing with their waste?).

In the end, though, for the US, it will be the price of nuclear fuel that will convince people that investing heavily in nukes is a bad idea. Operational safety and waste disposal are of concern, but money talks louder. Whatever you read about the price of oil today, substitute the word uranium and add five years.

With only a quarter of China's population, we can afford to ignore some of the more dicey forms of energy and focus on the sustainable, harmless and relatively cheap sources like wind, sun and tidal power. All we need to do is eliminate the corporations that have a vested interest in old ideas from the equation. Jeez, did I really say that? Sorry.

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