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U.S. Ranks #1 in Consumption of Pot, Cocaine, Smokes
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For this first cross-national drug-use study, WHO researchers surveyed more than 54,000 people in the Americas (the U.S., Mexico, and Colombia), Europe (Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, and Ukraine), the Middle East and Africa (Israel, Lebanon, Nigeria, and South Africa), Asia (Japan and China), and Oceania (New Zealand), using a standardized methodology. While WHO researchers determined that drug use is more prevalent in wealthier countries, researchers determined that income does not have a "static" effect on drug use. Overall, researchers found the greatest involvement with all drugs by younger people and "remarkable similarity" across the countries surveyed in the "age of onset" of use. Typically, alcohol and tobacco use begins earliest (between 16 and 19 years of age), followed by pot use (around 18), and coke (typically between 21 and 24).
While income and age may be factors determining drug use, it appears that a country's drug policies have little impact on use. "Globally, drug use is not distributed evenly and is not simply related to drug policy, since countries with stringent user-level illegal drug policies did not have lower levels of use than countries with liberal ones." Indeed. The U.S., with its harsh user penalties, outpaced all other countries on use of pot and coke -- way beyond even the Netherlands, where legal action is not taken for pot possession for personal use. There, just 19.8% of the population has even tried marijuana, and just 1.9% of the population has tried cocaine. Only New Zealand comes close to the U.S. in the number of folks who have ever tried pot, with just under 42%. The U.S. far outpaced other countries in coke use too, with 16.2% of respondents having tried the drug; New Zealand posted a 4.3% lifetime coke-use rate. Colombia, the only coke-producing nation on the list, came in fourth (tied with Mexico) with a 4% lifetime use rate. Only in alcohol use was the U.S. tossed out of the top spot: We took sixth place, while Ukraine took gold with 97% alcohol use. Germany garnered the silver, with 95.3%, while New Zealand, otherwise -- apparently, our drug-use sister country, imagine the cultural exchange possibilities! -- took the bronze, with 94.8%.
But you'd be a fool to suggest that any correlation can be drawn between harsher drug policies and drug use (as the WHO has done), says White House Office of National Drug Control Policy flack Tom Riley. Trying to find a link between drug use and drug enforcement doesn't make sense, Riley explained to Bloomberg News. "The U.S. has high crime rates but we spend a lot on law enforcement and prison," he said. "Should we spend less? We're just a different kind of country. We have higher drug use rates, a higher crime rate, many things that go with a highly free and mobile society." Wha?
As Reefer friend Bruce Mirken, communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project, points out, the ONDCP actually takes an extremely opposite view any time one of the states seeks to "liberalize" its pot laws. Legalizing medi-pot, for example, invariably sends the wrong message to children, the ONDCP likes to point out, and legalization measures would certainly lead to a greater availability of drugs, it says -- as it did back in 2002, Mirken reminds us, in fighting against a Nevada ballot measure that would have made legal pot sales and possession by adults.
In the end, say the WHO researchers, it may be that affluence has more influence on drug use than do anti-drug laws. "The use of drugs seems to be a feature of more affluent countries. The [U.S.], which has been driving much of the world's drug research and drug policy agenda, stands out with higher levels of use of alcohol, cocaine, and cannabis, despite punitive illegal drug policies," reads the study. "Clearly, by itself, a punitive policy toward possession and use accounts for limited variation in nation-level rates of illegal drug use."
In other words, Riley may actually be right this time, says Mirken -- although that doesn't make things better. "For years, ONDCP has been saying that even the slightest moderation of our marijuana laws would unleash a wave of marijuana use and turn us into a nation of potheads," Mirken wrote to me in an e-mail. "But when confronted with evidence to the contrary, they now say, 'Oh, never mind.' Okay, fine. So if cracking down on marijuana doesn't actually reduce use, would someone please tell me why we arrest 830,000 people a year for it?"
Good question. Tom?
The World Health Organization's study ranked countries based on their findings of "lifetime use rate" -- in other words, the percentage of people who report ever having used each drug.
Alcohol
1) Ukraine -- 97.0%
2) Germany -- 95.3%
3) New Zealand -- 94.8%
4) Colombia -- 94.3%
5) Netherlands -- 93.3%
6) U.S. -- 91.6%
Tobacco
1) U.S. -- 73.6%
2) Lebanon -- 67.4%
3) Mexico -- 60.2%
4) Netherlands -- 58.0%
Cannabis
1) U.S. -- 42.4%
2) New Zealand -- 41.9%
3) Netherlands -- 19.8%
4) France -- 19.0%
Cocaine
1) U.S. -- 16.2%
2) New Zealand -- 4.3%
3) Spain -- 4.1%
4) Tie: Colombia and Mexico -- 4.0%
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Posted by: carbon-based on Jul 23, 2008 5:20 AM
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Current drug laws are crazy for sure.. Small time users are just that and shouldn't be prosecuted...dealers should receive LOOOONG jail sentences.
Doc's should be severly dealt with for easy scrips.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 23, 2008 5:46 AM
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Then to add insult to injury we have the insane US drug policies and laws
See for an excellent website on sane drug policies.
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Posted by: everton9 on Jul 23, 2008 6:04 AM
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It could also be that the culture surrounding mood-altering drugs differs in the US. Maybe the perceived need for them seems greater. Maybe people in the US are more stressed, and therefore more likely to turn to drugs for an escape.
Rather than arguing rationalizing a way to legalize drugs, I think it makes more sense to question why 42% of people feel they need to smoke pot in the first place. I'm sure a small percentage have legitimate medical needs or true belief in some spiritual properties of pot, but the majority probably just use it to forget about their problems for a while. If we solved peoples personal problems, we may solve the drug problem.
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Posted by: surfreality on Jul 23, 2008 6:35 AM
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This brings to my mind a similar discrepancy: we suffer from far more gun violence than do our Canadian neighbors. Canadians have gun rights, watch the same TV and movies, play the same video games, have the same standard of living yet they are not killing each other at anywhere near the rate we are.
The only explanation I have is that there is something toxic in our cultural soup.
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Posted by: PakiBoy on Jul 23, 2008 7:09 AM
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US ranks #1 in defense expenditure
US ranks #1 in medical expenses and least maount of services provided in return
US ranks #1 in incarceration rates
US ranks #1 in weapons suppliers around the world
US ranks #1 in number of nations invaded since WWII
US ranks #1 in use of veto power at the UN
US ranks #1 in use of WMD and has the fine distinction of being the only nation to have used atomic weapons against civilians.
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Posted by: nfamous on Jul 23, 2008 7:09 AM
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When I used to club a lot I would always have white people come up to me (I'm black) and ask me if I had anything. They'd be looking for pot, meth, crack, coke, Xanax, ecstasy and the like. I won't lie. I drink, smoke pot and have taken ecstasy before but white people are addicted to mind-altering substances. They cannot function without them. The question is if white people want to stay high then why do they hate their normal state of mind so much?
The phony "War on Thugs" has disproportionately incarcerated blacks and Latinos in record numbers for petty drug crimes. The prison industrial complex continues to expand it base of free labor. Whites love drugs so much that it is impossible for black and Latino street dealers to keep up with the demand. In the process they get caught up in the system. Of course most whites get a slap on the hand or drug treatment with a good lawyer and go right back to their lifestyle of getting and staying high by any means necessary. The elite know exactly how to control humanity and their plans for a global police state are almost complete.
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Posted by: smendler on Jul 23, 2008 7:30 AM
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-- Dr. Andrew Weil, From Chocolate to Morphine
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Posted by: helenwheels on Jul 23, 2008 8:35 AM
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In 8,000 of use, marijuana has not killed anyone. You can easily find statistics of how many people are killed as a direct result of alcohol or prescription drugs each year. I think Vioxx alone is responsible for 25,000+ deaths.
I don't use marijuana, but it is still insane that it's illegal. It helps many people and the only reason it IS illegal is so they can make sure folks cannot medicate themselves. Have chronic pain? No, you can't take a few tokes off a join. You have to get on some prescription medication that has horrid side-effects and costs 30K a year. That's how it works, folks.
I guess we had better just get used to it.
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Posted by: xmvince on Jul 23, 2008 10:45 AM
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Well to be honest, there is no actual reason that withstands today's morals.
Why isn't it legal?
Because the government decided to fork out $40 billion in order to brainwash people into thinking it's bad for you and causes more crime.
Why should it be legal?
Marijuana is proven to prevent cancer (you don't have to smoke it, you can eat it when cooked which means no tar on your lungs), relieves pain, relieves stress, and overall is a friendly and social drug.
Oh yeah, and it's my god damn body, the government has NO right to tell me what I can and can't put in it. Make selling it illegal if you really want to slap people in the face, but consuming it? How can one honestly say I can't consume what I want? It's not your body, I was born with it, I feel with it, and I will certainly choose what I do with it, and not the government, not anyone can tell me I can't smoke some natural plant that's been growing out of the ground longer than the government has been in existence.
People that say marijuana makes you lazy, no, the people that smoke it and are lazy were lazy to begin with, just as people who take LCD and jump off buildings were crazy to begin with. Marijuana just makes things more enjoyable, I can pick up an old boring book that wouldn't normally interest me and sit and read it for hours when I'm high. It's also a lot more fun to work out when I'm high, as there is a reduced amount of burn from the pain relief.
Alcohol and tobacco are legal yet thousands of people have died from them and millions are currently addicted, whereas marijuana is perfectly safe and is not addictive whatsoever.
People that are against marijuana, aren't really against it, they have just been brainwashed to think it's bad. WAKE UP!
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Posted by: Pirate1 on Jul 23, 2008 12:10 PM
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I drink wine about six times a year, I also enjoy smoking pot or ingesting cannabis laced foods on occasion but always in moderation. It's the people who transfer their need to be "best" at everything into seeing how many intoxicants they can take in and not pass out, like that is some great achievement, that make this such a problem. Somewhere this was determined to be the mark of a "real" man or woman.
A few tiny crumbs of good bud in a small pipe bowl will easily get you there but too many poeple I know will take an amount of ganja that would last me a year and smoke it in one weekend. That is so wasteful and unnecessary. It's that sense of "excess is better" that so many Americans suffer from unwittingly that drives these high statistics.
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Jul 23, 2008 12:26 PM
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If we did that we would not only save billions wasted on the s called war on drugs but also deny the Mexican and South American drug dealers over 1/2 of their income..!
Those who wish to maintain the status quo are all suspect to me and many may be profiting from the way things are..
It's similar to sports betting which many politicians claim to be against on moral grounds but they are almost all in the pocket of organized crime as sports betting it still the Mafia's # 1 profit enterprise if we took that over and the states allowed it the Mafia would lose 1/2 it's money..
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 23, 2008 1:57 PM
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But all seriousness aside, folks, it's well past time that this country surrended, raised the white flag, capitulated and just plain quit "the war on drugs."
All this stupidity has done is glamorize terrible--though fun--drugs like meth and cocaine, made criminals of white suburban professionals dealing a little pot out of the basement and lined the pockets of corrupt politicians and cops in league with organized crime bosses.
It would be a much better alocation of reasources if marijuana were legalized--its production and distribution patterned after the varital wine industry--and addicts of the "harder" drugs warehoused: i.e. allowed to legally indulge in their drug of choice, under clinical supervision in a state run facility, until they either take the cure or die.
This would also have the salubrious effect of freeing up more police for the streets--lay-about naro cops would have the choice of going back on the beat or voluntary separation from the force.
But of course this will never happen because too many stalwart citizens, pillars of the community, are making too much money off the status quo.
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Posted by: jc1234 on Jul 23, 2008 2:53 PM
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The politicians steal the hopes and aspirations of Americans and a large number of Americans resort to drugs to numb themselves from the bullshit called the US government.
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Posted by: Lauren on Jul 24, 2008 7:24 AM
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Bikers. And I also wanted to reply to Karina on her issue with it too,
Yet you feel justified in saying "all whites"?
You negate any point you may have had.
Not to disagree, but to point out my observation that the crowd at Dead shows is overwhelmingly white. Split about evenly with people who look like bikers and more or less wealthy and highly educated (surprisingly often jewish) professionals.
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Posted by: angstrom on Jul 26, 2008 7:55 AM
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that only pushed people to do more drugs in their homes and then came the explosion of pharmaceutical heroin being consumed at an alarming rate.
concurrently the jam band scene that had grown out of the offspring of the greatful dead tour scene like phish, discobiscuits et al. They were also busy killing braincells by the trillions. My first phish show in limestone maine reminded me of some sort of futuristic drug bazaar. The sheer diversity of drugs avaliable was nothing short of miraculous.
I have often wondered how this generation of people who are so whacked from multiple decades of heavy drug use are going to handle the reigns of power. Interestingly many of these people have moved on and cooled their drug use to a large extent and have become very responsible. I wish our generation luck... it just always seemed we were trying to party it up before the apocalypse, it's been a very weird trip growing up in this culture. a measure of hope for the future is what is missing.
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Posted by: carbon-based on Jul 23, 2008 5:20 AM
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Current drug laws are crazy for sure.. Small time users are just that and shouldn't be prosecuted...dealers should receive LOOOONG jail sentences.
Doc's should be severly dealt with for easy scrips.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 23, 2008 5:46 AM
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Then to add insult to injury we have the insane US drug policies and laws
See for an excellent website on sane drug policies.
Ethan Nadelmann has been working indefatigably for decades
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Posted by: everton9 on Jul 23, 2008 6:04 AM
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It could also be that the culture surrounding mood-altering drugs differs in the US. Maybe the perceived need for them seems greater. Maybe people in the US are more stressed, and therefore more likely to turn to drugs for an escape.
Rather than arguing rationalizing a way to legalize drugs, I think it makes more sense to question why 42% of people feel they need to smoke pot in the first place. I'm sure a small percentage have legitimate medical needs or true belief in some spiritual properties of pot, but the majority probably just use it to forget about their problems for a while. If we solved peoples personal problems, we may solve the drug problem.
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Posted by: surfreality on Jul 23, 2008 6:35 AM
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This brings to my mind a similar discrepancy: we suffer from far more gun violence than do our Canadian neighbors. Canadians have gun rights, watch the same TV and movies, play the same video games, have the same standard of living yet they are not killing each other at anywhere near the rate we are.
The only explanation I have is that there is something toxic in our cultural soup.
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Posted by: PakiBoy on Jul 23, 2008 7:09 AM
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US ranks #1 in defense expenditure
US ranks #1 in medical expenses and least maount of services provided in return
US ranks #1 in incarceration rates
US ranks #1 in weapons suppliers around the world
US ranks #1 in number of nations invaded since WWII
US ranks #1 in use of veto power at the UN
US ranks #1 in use of WMD and has the fine distinction of being the only nation to have used atomic weapons against civilians.
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Posted by: nfamous on Jul 23, 2008 7:09 AM
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When I used to club a lot I would always have white people come up to me (I'm black) and ask me if I had anything. They'd be looking for pot, meth, crack, coke, Xanax, ecstasy and the like. I won't lie. I drink, smoke pot and have taken ecstasy before but white people are addicted to mind-altering substances. They cannot function without them. The question is if white people want to stay high then why do they hate their normal state of mind so much?
The phony "War on Thugs" has disproportionately incarcerated blacks and Latinos in record numbers for petty drug crimes. The prison industrial complex continues to expand it base of free labor. Whites love drugs so much that it is impossible for black and Latino street dealers to keep up with the demand. In the process they get caught up in the system. Of course most whites get a slap on the hand or drug treatment with a good lawyer and go right back to their lifestyle of getting and staying high by any means necessary. The elite know exactly how to control humanity and their plans for a global police state are almost complete.
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Posted by: smendler on Jul 23, 2008 7:30 AM
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-- Dr. Andrew Weil, From Chocolate to Morphine
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Posted by: helenwheels on Jul 23, 2008 8:35 AM
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In 8,000 of use, marijuana has not killed anyone. You can easily find statistics of how many people are killed as a direct result of alcohol or prescription drugs each year. I think Vioxx alone is responsible for 25,000+ deaths.
I don't use marijuana, but it is still insane that it's illegal. It helps many people and the only reason it IS illegal is so they can make sure folks cannot medicate themselves. Have chronic pain? No, you can't take a few tokes off a join. You have to get on some prescription medication that has horrid side-effects and costs 30K a year. That's how it works, folks.
I guess we had better just get used to it.
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Posted by: Levon on Jul 23, 2008 10:34 AM
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Posted by: xmvince on Jul 23, 2008 10:45 AM
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Well to be honest, there is no actual reason that withstands today's morals.
Why isn't it legal?
Because the government decided to fork out $40 billion in order to brainwash people into thinking it's bad for you and causes more crime.
Why should it be legal?
Marijuana is proven to prevent cancer (you don't have to smoke it, you can eat it when cooked which means no tar on your lungs), relieves pain, relieves stress, and overall is a friendly and social drug.
Oh yeah, and it's my god damn body, the government has NO right to tell me what I can and can't put in it. Make selling it illegal if you really want to slap people in the face, but consuming it? How can one honestly say I can't consume what I want? It's not your body, I was born with it, I feel with it, and I will certainly choose what I do with it, and not the government, not anyone can tell me I can't smoke some natural plant that's been growing out of the ground longer than the government has been in existence.
People that say marijuana makes you lazy, no, the people that smoke it and are lazy were lazy to begin with, just as people who take LCD and jump off buildings were crazy to begin with. Marijuana just makes things more enjoyable, I can pick up an old boring book that wouldn't normally interest me and sit and read it for hours when I'm high. It's also a lot more fun to work out when I'm high, as there is a reduced amount of burn from the pain relief.
Alcohol and tobacco are legal yet thousands of people have died from them and millions are currently addicted, whereas marijuana is perfectly safe and is not addictive whatsoever.
People that are against marijuana, aren't really against it, they have just been brainwashed to think it's bad. WAKE UP!
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Posted by: Pirate1 on Jul 23, 2008 12:10 PM
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I drink wine about six times a year, I also enjoy smoking pot or ingesting cannabis laced foods on occasion but always in moderation. It's the people who transfer their need to be "best" at everything into seeing how many intoxicants they can take in and not pass out, like that is some great achievement, that make this such a problem. Somewhere this was determined to be the mark of a "real" man or woman.
A few tiny crumbs of good bud in a small pipe bowl will easily get you there but too many poeple I know will take an amount of ganja that would last me a year and smoke it in one weekend. That is so wasteful and unnecessary. It's that sense of "excess is better" that so many Americans suffer from unwittingly that drives these high statistics.
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Jul 23, 2008 12:26 PM
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If we did that we would not only save billions wasted on the s called war on drugs but also deny the Mexican and South American drug dealers over 1/2 of their income..!
Those who wish to maintain the status quo are all suspect to me and many may be profiting from the way things are..
It's similar to sports betting which many politicians claim to be against on moral grounds but they are almost all in the pocket of organized crime as sports betting it still the Mafia's # 1 profit enterprise if we took that over and the states allowed it the Mafia would lose 1/2 it's money..
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 23, 2008 1:57 PM
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But all seriousness aside, folks, it's well past time that this country surrended, raised the white flag, capitulated and just plain quit "the war on drugs."
All this stupidity has done is glamorize terrible--though fun--drugs like meth and cocaine, made criminals of white suburban professionals dealing a little pot out of the basement and lined the pockets of corrupt politicians and cops in league with organized crime bosses.
It would be a much better alocation of reasources if marijuana were legalized--its production and distribution patterned after the varital wine industry--and addicts of the "harder" drugs warehoused: i.e. allowed to legally indulge in their drug of choice, under clinical supervision in a state run facility, until they either take the cure or die.
This would also have the salubrious effect of freeing up more police for the streets--lay-about naro cops would have the choice of going back on the beat or voluntary separation from the force.
But of course this will never happen because too many stalwart citizens, pillars of the community, are making too much money off the status quo.
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Posted by: jc1234 on Jul 23, 2008 2:53 PM
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The politicians steal the hopes and aspirations of Americans and a large number of Americans resort to drugs to numb themselves from the bullshit called the US government.
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Posted by: Lauren on Jul 24, 2008 7:24 AM
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Bikers. And I also wanted to reply to Karina on her issue with it too,
Yet you feel justified in saying "all whites"?
You negate any point you may have had.
Not to disagree, but to point out my observation that the crowd at Dead shows is overwhelmingly white. Split about evenly with people who look like bikers and more or less wealthy and highly educated (surprisingly often jewish) professionals.
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Posted by: angstrom on Jul 26, 2008 7:55 AM
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that only pushed people to do more drugs in their homes and then came the explosion of pharmaceutical heroin being consumed at an alarming rate.
concurrently the jam band scene that had grown out of the offspring of the greatful dead tour scene like phish, discobiscuits et al. They were also busy killing braincells by the trillions. My first phish show in limestone maine reminded me of some sort of futuristic drug bazaar. The sheer diversity of drugs avaliable was nothing short of miraculous.
I have often wondered how this generation of people who are so whacked from multiple decades of heavy drug use are going to handle the reigns of power. Interestingly many of these people have moved on and cooled their drug use to a large extent and have become very responsible. I wish our generation luck... it just always seemed we were trying to party it up before the apocalypse, it's been a very weird trip growing up in this culture. a measure of hope for the future is what is missing.
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