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The U.S. Economy Is Socialism for the Rich
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In the United States, far-Right Republicans and Democratic liberals alike have sold many people on the notion that the market should be the main force to drive the economy and define social relationships. They maintain that government should stay off people's backs and out of our wallets. They promote rugged individualism and consumerism couched in terms like "personal responsibility," "freedom" and "independence." "Greed is good!" was the mantra of Michael Douglas' character, Gordon Gecko, in the 1980s movie "Wall Street," and those became the words to live by in the '80s and '90s. The philosophy and value of greed was taken to heart by many a corporate CEO, and, over the past three decades, this twisted logic -- underlined by the values of individualism and the culture of consumerism -- has turned back the clock on human development with devastating consequences.
The Chicago Boys' Disaster
Naomi Klein's landmark work The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism summarizes the last 30 years of the neoliberal (aka neoconservative) project. These policies have had a stranglehold on the global economy for decades. But Klein argues persuasively that it is primarily in moments of societal or natural upheaval that capitalist extremists, trained by gurus like Milton Friedman at the University of Chicago, have been most able to impose their political and economic agenda. Even if a natural disaster didn't present itself, Friedman's disciples, like Kissinger, Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Clinton, had no problem wreaking their own violent havoc on vulnerable countries.
By now, the mantra of the "Chicago Boys" has become all too familiar: Eliminate regulations, cut taxes, slash public spending, privatize public services, etc. Their policies dominated the global political landscape, unraveling the gains of centuries of social movements, while a new global elite has been enriched beyond imagination. A handful of people have become super-wealthy, and megacorporations have become even bigger and more powerful.
"Free trade" policies and the loan sharks that have run the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund have destroyed national economies. Millions of people have been forced into poverty, and entire communities have been displaced from the countryside. Multinationals and northern industrial nations siphon wealth from the developing countries. Those that migrate from their homelands to make a living in the north are greeted with walls, bullets and racism. In the United States, millions are homeless, unemployed, in prison, or one paycheck away from bankruptcy. The social wage has been beaten down to unsustainable levels -- real wages are lower now than they were 30 years ago. Yet the costs of fuel and raw materials have skyrocketed, causing worldwide food shortages. We have wiped out public budgets by eliminating taxes on those who profit most. Vital public infrastructure and services cannot meet basic needs like maintaining the levees in New Orleans and reconstructing the Gulf Coast, or controlling the devastating blazes in Southern California. Yet the majority of our federal budget sponsors the wars and occupation in the Middle East, the warehousing of generations of the poor and people of color, the witch hunt of immigrant refugees of U.S. foreign and trade policy, and the growing national debt.
Capitalism unchecked has given us Big Oil, Blood Diamonds, Enron and Halliburton. They have given us Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo and the Wall of Death on the U.S.-Mexico border.
The rise of the neoliberal regime has occurred in the same era that we are experiencing the decline of the economic and political dominance of the United States empire. Scholar Immanuel Wallerstein observes that economically the United States has been losing its top economic position since the 1970s as other regional economies have expanded. The country is staring economic collapse in the face, driven by the bursting of the housing bubble. This bust is enough to make even billionaire George Soros nervous, arguing that there is a profound difference between this downturn and other recent ones:
... the current crisis marks the end of an era of credit expansion based on the dollar as the international reserve currency. The periodic crises were part of a larger boom-bust process. The current crisis is the culmination of a super-boom that has lasted for more than 60 years.Soros argues that with the deregulation of the financial industry, many of the mechanisms put in place to withstand a significant bust cycle have been eliminated. The Federal Reserve and the government may no longer have the tools to stave off a recession.
Today, the United States is the leader in a number of shameful statistics: the highest percentage and total numbers of its population in prison, the highest consumption of the world's natural resources, the only industrialized nation without universal health care, the biggest military budget. It seems that the greatest product that the United States is capable of producing today is war, and this makes us a very dangerous country. Our primary role in the global community is as a mercenary army in the interests of big business.
The hyper-consumerist culture of the United States has led to predatory lending and credit schemes that have put millions of people on the brink of bankruptcy and the sacking of the Global South for exploited, underpaid workers and natural resources to make cheap products. The U.S. population represents 6 percent of the world's population, yet consumes 30 percent of the world's resources and produces the greatest amount of carbon pollution.
And while we're at it, let's just be clear that the free market capitalism we have seen in the United States is by no means "free." In reality, the U.S. economy functions as a form of socialism for the rich. Taxpayers have bailed out the savings and loan industry, banks and airlines. We finance at least two federal social security programs: the one to which most of us contribute through each paycheck, and the one for United Airlines employees (since that company no longer pays its pension obligations). We give huge government contracts to the prison and military industrial complexes, and increasingly to private education and health care companies.
The "land of the free" is also one of only two countries in the world building walls between themselves and their neighbors (the other being Israel). This fortress mentality is a telling sign of an empire in decline. At a time when the U.S. population needs to be reaching out to the rest of the world more than ever, our government leaders are circling the wagons.
The Chicago Boys and their friends have made a terrible mess, and we haven't even touched on the destruction caused by unchecked industrialization, gutted environmental regulations, and the addiction to fossil fuels that have pushed life on the planet to the edge of oblivion. Fixing this disaster will take generations and a fundamental shift in the values and premises on which we base our politics.
A Cultural Shift: Reintroducing Community Values
It's clear that a profound change in the U.S. political direction is necessary. A fundamental shift in the political and economic direction of the country will require a cultural shift and a redefinition of social and political relationships. We need to challenge the values of individualism and competition and the culture of consumerism and reintroduce key values in defining our economic and social relationships -- values such as reciprocity, community, cooperation and solidarity. We need to affirm that as a society we share collective and community responsibilities. We must confront the underlying premises that have sustained the neoliberal/neoconservative agenda -- namely that taxes, unions and government are all bad. As Donald Cohen has outlined, we need to assert that taxes, organized labor, regulations and government are in fact necessary to keep the greedy in check and to achieve a just and democratic society.
A significant political and cultural shift in the United States will also require us to redefine the "American Dream." The dream is not about a motivated individual being able to strike it rich. The dream that would benefit most Americans (including Latin Americans and Canadians) would be closer to the dream outlined by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The dream should include racial, gender and queer liberation, meeting the basic needs of everyone in the community, and achieving peace in our local and global community.
In the Story of Stuff, Annie Leonard beautifully explains the cycle of production and consumption that is driving the planet toward destruction. She describes how the values of consumerism were engineered during the 1950s and have become part of our social DNA today. Consumerism was designed as a deliberate political strategy, and must be challenged by a deliberate political strategy. The cycle of consumption is sustained by externalizing costs by exploiting communities for cheap raw materials and labor. Challenging this model will mean supporting the struggles of exploited and displaced communities and their right to organize.
Shifting our values will allow us to make bold policy changes that are absolutely necessary.
Read Guerrero's recommendations for bold policy change (including the creation of public wealth, building sustainable economies and more), or download the entire document.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 24, 2008 12:49 AM
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THE CONSERVATIVE NANNY STATE by Dean Baker.
Video
“Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (And Stick You with the Bill)”
Basically folks if you are not very wealthy you are going to pay for these billionaires to get even richer. The video is well worth watching.
As far as the author's vision for the future , good fing luck. The powers that be control both Democrats and Republicans. The Dems wouldn't even tax Hedge Fund Managers on their wages, giving them the 15% capital gains rate when mere working people are taxed more. Even Obama has reached into the Chicago School of Economics for his economic advisors. And McCain is even worse. Expect no relief for the middle class from either of these two.
If you want some economic or social justice get ready to fight ... after the election ... no matter who wins.
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» I looked at the Dean Baker link. It's really first rate!!
Posted by: yellow
» ditto.
Posted by: Coleman
» Another good book is "Take the Rich Off Welfare"
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» The author's vision is the right direction
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Posted by: michael1972 on Jul 24, 2008 1:39 AM
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The working force of America are sheep that make the rich richer. Every job we have is designed to produce more money for the rich and just enough for ourselves to survive. The following doesn't matter if you have a college degree or high school diploma. Both groups are in debt, and are one paycheck away from being homeless. Jobs are not designed to make you rich, they designed to produce wealth for the elite.
Socialism is Communism but at slower and more deceptive pace. Wither we are talking about welfare recipients or your average working class individual, both will put their hopes into someone (employment or welfare), to take care of them and their families.
If people are not willing to study or learn what it takes to be an entrepreneur (any type), then they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Posted by: kepstein7777
» We don't need more slave like you
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» RE: We don't need more slave like you
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» ???
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» RE: ??? means your confused
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» RE: We don't need more slave like you
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» RE: We don't need more slave like you
Posted by: michael1972
» And who's killing those entrepeneurs?
Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: And who's killing those entrepeneurs? The educational system
Posted by: michael1972
» RE: A change in thinking
Posted by: tink1969
» RE: A change in thinking
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» RE: A change in thinking
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» You're so full of shit, Mike.
Posted by: Coleman
» RE: You're so full of shit, Mike.
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» RE: You're so full of shit, Mike. part-2
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jul 24, 2008 1:47 AM
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Fascism is older than the private Ponzi scheme Federal Reserve Corp (not federal, no reserves) put in charge of the nation's money in 1913 under "progressive" puppet Woodrow Wilson who foisted the genocide of WW1 for his paymasters. And Fascism continues to claim victims via phony 9/11 "war on terror" even as corporate Washington PR lackies claim non-existent "capitalism" and "democracy" will win out in the end.
This is about a Corporate Monopoly State and its latest crash at the expense of the naive. All of it run by DC play-actors that do anything but represent the people.
For among the few elements that remain consistent over time are a gullible population and a dirty old ruling class that extorts any nation it can get and keep its hands on.
This is about what George Carlin called the "owners" and their patsies.
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Posted by: Steve Adair on Jul 24, 2008 3:41 AM
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» RE: Good Luck
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» I fear you may be correct
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Jul 24, 2008 4:15 AM
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And yet, we keep electing people (from both parties unfortunately) who keep doing this to us.
I don't think Americans are inherently masochistic, but this speaks to the serious flaws in our system.
First and foremost, we need to break up the corporate media! No democracy can survive an ill-informed and misinformed populace. Even if we miraculously developed the "perfect" political system it wouldn't work without a functioning press.
My rigidly and staunchly Republican father complains about the same things with the disparity between rich and poor and the glamorization of greed and many of the same things we on the left lament -- yet he still continues to vote Republican and watch Fox News and buy into some of the craziest of the right-wing extremism.
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Posted by: Geonomist on Jul 24, 2008 4:37 AM
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 24, 2008 5:19 AM
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» RE: Libertarians don't like socialism for anyone
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» RE: Libertarians don't like socialism for anyone because under their system the rich won't need it.
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» RE: Libertarians don't like socialism for anyone because under their system the rich won't need it.
Posted by: richholland
» RE: What you are saying is that Freedom Just Won't Work.
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» No. What I'm saying is that exploitation is not sustainable or just.
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» RE: Nice diatribe
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» Excellent refutation Paul! Libertarians are less heirs of Adam Smith than the New Deal era rightists
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Posted by: JPHickey on Jul 24, 2008 5:32 AM
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I am indignant toward advantaged class "liberals" who are more interested in open borders, aka, which essentially result in a state of partial anarchy. For many of the advantaged class, law is good when it serves my interests, but should be ignored when it doesn't. Oh woe is me!
I agree with most of the rest, but people like me need to see a bit more largesse before illegals are given precidence over legal, qualified, and deserving citizens. Solidarity is nevery going to happen as long as those at the bottom are just thrown under the buss. Liberals are just as greedy as neocons, hence their loyalty to the status quo.
Though I greatly favor social democracy, I believe we need to take care of our own now, not just in some future fantacy of the idyllic future. 66 already, where will I be by the time the tides turn, if they ever do. My car needed repairs recently, and I didn't have the wherewithall to get it fixed. I managed to scramble around and come up with it, but that left me without enough to buy food for the next ten days. So how now brown cow? Solidarity remains a figment of the idealistic imagination. Awe shoot! Whatever happened to those good old fashioned bleeding-heart liberals, anyway?
Liberals, conservatives, and all who are in entrenched and advantaged situations need to wake up and smell the coffee! Remember Marie Antoinette!
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» RE: Good material, but --
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» RE: Good material, but --
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» RE: But it is not the immigrant laborers taking ANYTHING away from you ...
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Posted by: Phred42 on Jul 24, 2008 6:52 AM
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It was not the Democratic Liberals - It was the Democratic Conservatives... The Republican-lite crowd that lied to get elected. DLC & Blue Dogs mostly.
Sadly there are very few Liberal or Progressive Democrats in either House these days
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jul 24, 2008 9:43 AM
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businessjive.com
It turns out that small cap companies have been the target of naked shorting bear attacks. This is where the Bush Administration claims that all of these new jobs that were created come from. The attacks are blatantly illegal, but the SEC seems to have no idea what to do about it.
In case you think the stocks you own are "real", consider this: in a buyback attempt, Overstock.com found that half the overstock shares they bought on the open market were "counterfit". That just might include your stocks.
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jul 24, 2008 9:49 AM
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Free MP3 download.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 24, 2008 10:01 AM
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A truly "free market" would not allow the consolidation of the media - which is actually supposed to hold up the light to the injustices that have been heaped upon the people over the last 30 years. You know the media should have actually held up the magnifying glass to expose Bush as the ex-drunk that has never successfully run a profitable corporation anywhere but into the ground - and if it weren't for daddy's political buddies picking up the pieces and moving him along, he would be just another drunken trust fund baby no one had ever really heard about.
A truly "free market" would not support the Military-Industrial-Complex with their Star-Wars Ideals for a Cold War that is over; along with weapons that don't,can't, and have never, never proven themselves to work. The mercenary complex would not have grown by leaps and bounds.
This housing bubble would never have grown the way that it did, nor as fast as it did without the dismantling of regulations, and the avarice of the rich that were clocking the dollars they could steal! Is that how a "free market" acts?
Please! These people have managed to convince the sheep (the followers of FOX and others) to believe that "those people" want to take away your "freedoms", when the reality is they are feeding at the trough of public money and pushing everyone else away!
As a tax payer I think not only should they go to jail, but they should personally forfeit the money they have scammed the tax-payers for!
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» RE: What a truly "Free Market" is...
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Posted by: blogbooks on Jul 24, 2008 10:09 AM
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Link to article on Financial Sense website
Sample:
"The logic of late capitalism (the declining form of capitalism) calls for the elimination of all suffering (and therefore, the elimination of real growth). This program is the basis of latter-day social democracy, which opposes the market because pain and tragedy are normal to the market system. Social democracy wants a world without failing corporations or banks. It is no wonder, then, that step-by-step they have ringed the market with “protections.” Today’s social democrat (and compassionate conservative) wants the benefits of the market without the pain of market process. The Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises once wrote: “Men must choose between the market economy and socialism. They cannot evade deciding between these alternatives….” No pain, no gain.
So there you have it. A decision has been made (and nearly everyone agrees), that pain must be nationalized."
I wrote him a letter asking if a nation had ever been led directly into socialism by its most wealthy citizens and thus far have not received a response. Right now the socialist trends are being confined to the upper classes, but when the middle class really starts to feel the pain of this declining economy they will expect some of that socialist redistribution of wealth to come their way...
Welcome to socialist America, circa 2011.
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» RE: ven conservatives agree that this economy has become socialist
Posted by: BigRon
» Almost agree: nanotech?
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» RE: Almost agree: nanotech?
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» Conservatives always argue that our economy is too "socialist." It's just shows their vast greed
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» RE: ven conservatives agree that this economy has become socialist
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» I'll explain, since all of your responses are incoherent
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» Blogbooks, you have no right to call me incoherent. Your rants are silly and maniacal
Posted by: yellow
» Blogbooks, you reek of a pathetic, inferior homeschool "education" and it sucks!!
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Posted by: BigRon on Jul 24, 2008 5:40 PM
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Ms Klein's thesis seems to be that the right wing "exploited catastrophic circumstances" to promote their own agenda. I can see where that might happen in the USA - where the right, and its supporters, are considerably more organised as a single co-operative organism. Here in the UK, they're not (and I hope, never will be so!) The group that co-operated to "fix" the system in their own favour here - to the detriment of everyone else - was the far left (and in 1970's Britain "far left" meant WAY further left than anything the USA has) "Bashing the scales of democracy back into shape" was perhaps the one good thing that Thatcher achieved. That Ms Klein clearly (and totally) failed to understand this has largely destroyed her credibility in the UK. When she writes about things she understands... she's good. Maybe it would be a good idea if she restricted her future writing TO the stuff she knows about. The assumption that "because the UK and USA both speak the same language, they must be pretty much the same in every respect" is not only WRONG - but it's the kind of being wrong that I associate with the Republican Party. It's the kind of being wrong that led to the assumption that Iraqi's all harboured a secret desire to be as like Americans as they possibly could be. That the invasion would therefore be a "walk in the park."
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jul 24, 2008 8:46 PM
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The only cure is progressive taxes that make it nearly impossible to rout the economy like this. It can be done. This involves stopping all write offs for CEO salaries, for options, for their perks...and upping the capital gains and income taxes for the top. Everything should be means tested. In addition there should be a reparations tax for the damages done by these greedy mercenaries - and that should be reinvested in society.
And if there were ever a reason to keep the "Paris Hilton" tax, this is it. That these horrid examples of humanity could pass along that much money to heirs along with their terrible values and terrifying stranglehold on democracy...it is too much to contemplate.
But only a strong candidate can take back America. This involves wresting control and money from those who stole from all of us over the last decades and did nothing with it but build inane monuments to themselves, gift already wealthy universities, and in general keep the money flowing to those least in need of it. A very few good ones at the top have not done this...but we now need to ensure that we have lots of good examples at the top because that's the area where there really is no excuse for bad behavior and no justification for greed, lack of morals, or damaging individualism. How they got away with it is beyond me....except they sold a bill of yuppie goods to regular people who can't afford anything near that...floated the bad loans overseas...and generally infected everything in existence with their poor values and lack of compassion.
Yes it is time to show that nothing in life is free - not even when you rob people blind...because if you do, then you don't have any more sheeple consumers...and then what? You're seeing it now. Thus, CEOs, you don't get something for nothing - and nothing is what you gave the consumers for a long time. Now, the bill is due and I hope we have a president soon who is brave enough to demand payment.
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Posted by: talkville on Jul 25, 2008 4:29 AM
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For the rest of us? capitalism, competition neighbor with neighbor, worker with worker, gender with race, race with gender, class with both, survival of the fittest, dog-eat-dog, alpha male on challengers. The Top with a Left that is Right. The Bottom a Super-Collider of Atoms -- lots of Energy and no Mass; or lots of Mass and no Energy. Dissipating and cannibalizing each other.
Founded and developed as such; developed and found as such to this day. Name? "The System".
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Posted by: whiterabbit1 on Jul 25, 2008 1:08 PM
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the stop complaining and make yourself some money!
here's a start: http://tinyurl.com/5zk4xt
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 24, 2008 12:49 AM
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THE CONSERVATIVE NANNY STATE by Dean Baker.
Video
“Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (And Stick You with the Bill)”
Basically folks if you are not very wealthy you are going to pay for these billionaires to get even richer. The video is well worth watching.
As far as the author's vision for the future , good fing luck. The powers that be control both Democrats and Republicans. The Dems wouldn't even tax Hedge Fund Managers on their wages, giving them the 15% capital gains rate when mere working people are taxed more. Even Obama has reached into the Chicago School of Economics for his economic advisors. And McCain is even worse. Expect no relief for the middle class from either of these two.
If you want some economic or social justice get ready to fight ... after the election ... no matter who wins.
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» I looked at the Dean Baker link. It's really first rate!!
Posted by: yellow
» ditto.
Posted by: Coleman
» Another good book is "Take the Rich Off Welfare"
Posted by: fanny666
» The author's vision is the right direction
Posted by: alturn
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Posted by: michael1972 on Jul 24, 2008 1:39 AM
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The working force of America are sheep that make the rich richer. Every job we have is designed to produce more money for the rich and just enough for ourselves to survive. The following doesn't matter if you have a college degree or high school diploma. Both groups are in debt, and are one paycheck away from being homeless. Jobs are not designed to make you rich, they designed to produce wealth for the elite.
Socialism is Communism but at slower and more deceptive pace. Wither we are talking about welfare recipients or your average working class individual, both will put their hopes into someone (employment or welfare), to take care of them and their families.
If people are not willing to study or learn what it takes to be an entrepreneur (any type), then they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Posted by: kepstein7777
» We don't need more slave like you
Posted by: michael1972
» RE: We don't need more slave like you
Posted by: michael1972
» ???
Posted by: emmas
» RE: ??? means your confused
Posted by: michael1972
» RE: We don't need more slave like you
Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: We don't need more slave like you
Posted by: michael1972
» And who's killing those entrepeneurs?
Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: And who's killing those entrepeneurs? The educational system
Posted by: michael1972
» RE: A change in thinking
Posted by: tink1969
» RE: A change in thinking
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» RE: A change in thinking
Posted by: michael1972
» You're so full of shit, Mike.
Posted by: Coleman
» RE: You're so full of shit, Mike.
Posted by: michael1972
» RE: You're so full of shit, Mike. part-2
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jul 24, 2008 1:47 AM
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Fascism is older than the private Ponzi scheme Federal Reserve Corp (not federal, no reserves) put in charge of the nation's money in 1913 under "progressive" puppet Woodrow Wilson who foisted the genocide of WW1 for his paymasters. And Fascism continues to claim victims via phony 9/11 "war on terror" even as corporate Washington PR lackies claim non-existent "capitalism" and "democracy" will win out in the end.
This is about a Corporate Monopoly State and its latest crash at the expense of the naive. All of it run by DC play-actors that do anything but represent the people.
For among the few elements that remain consistent over time are a gullible population and a dirty old ruling class that extorts any nation it can get and keep its hands on.
This is about what George Carlin called the "owners" and their patsies.
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Posted by: Steve Adair on Jul 24, 2008 3:41 AM
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» I fear you may be correct
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Jul 24, 2008 4:15 AM
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And yet, we keep electing people (from both parties unfortunately) who keep doing this to us.
I don't think Americans are inherently masochistic, but this speaks to the serious flaws in our system.
First and foremost, we need to break up the corporate media! No democracy can survive an ill-informed and misinformed populace. Even if we miraculously developed the "perfect" political system it wouldn't work without a functioning press.
My rigidly and staunchly Republican father complains about the same things with the disparity between rich and poor and the glamorization of greed and many of the same things we on the left lament -- yet he still continues to vote Republican and watch Fox News and buy into some of the craziest of the right-wing extremism.
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» RE: Libertarians don't like socialism for anyone
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» RE: Libertarians don't like socialism for anyone because under their system the rich won't need it.
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» RE: Libertarians don't like socialism for anyone because under their system the rich won't need it.
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» RE: What you are saying is that Freedom Just Won't Work.
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» No. What I'm saying is that exploitation is not sustainable or just.
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» RE: Nice diatribe
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» Excellent refutation Paul! Libertarians are less heirs of Adam Smith than the New Deal era rightists
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Posted by: JPHickey on Jul 24, 2008 5:32 AM
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I am indignant toward advantaged class "liberals" who are more interested in open borders, aka, which essentially result in a state of partial anarchy. For many of the advantaged class, law is good when it serves my interests, but should be ignored when it doesn't. Oh woe is me!
I agree with most of the rest, but people like me need to see a bit more largesse before illegals are given precidence over legal, qualified, and deserving citizens. Solidarity is nevery going to happen as long as those at the bottom are just thrown under the buss. Liberals are just as greedy as neocons, hence their loyalty to the status quo.
Though I greatly favor social democracy, I believe we need to take care of our own now, not just in some future fantacy of the idyllic future. 66 already, where will I be by the time the tides turn, if they ever do. My car needed repairs recently, and I didn't have the wherewithall to get it fixed. I managed to scramble around and come up with it, but that left me without enough to buy food for the next ten days. So how now brown cow? Solidarity remains a figment of the idealistic imagination. Awe shoot! Whatever happened to those good old fashioned bleeding-heart liberals, anyway?
Liberals, conservatives, and all who are in entrenched and advantaged situations need to wake up and smell the coffee! Remember Marie Antoinette!
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» RE: But it is not the immigrant laborers taking ANYTHING away from you ...
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Posted by: Phred42 on Jul 24, 2008 6:52 AM
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It was not the Democratic Liberals - It was the Democratic Conservatives... The Republican-lite crowd that lied to get elected. DLC & Blue Dogs mostly.
Sadly there are very few Liberal or Progressive Democrats in either House these days
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jul 24, 2008 9:43 AM
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businessjive.com
It turns out that small cap companies have been the target of naked shorting bear attacks. This is where the Bush Administration claims that all of these new jobs that were created come from. The attacks are blatantly illegal, but the SEC seems to have no idea what to do about it.
In case you think the stocks you own are "real", consider this: in a buyback attempt, Overstock.com found that half the overstock shares they bought on the open market were "counterfit". That just might include your stocks.
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Posted by: fanny666 on Jul 24, 2008 9:49 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jul 24, 2008 10:01 AM
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A truly "free market" would not allow the consolidation of the media - which is actually supposed to hold up the light to the injustices that have been heaped upon the people over the last 30 years. You know the media should have actually held up the magnifying glass to expose Bush as the ex-drunk that has never successfully run a profitable corporation anywhere but into the ground - and if it weren't for daddy's political buddies picking up the pieces and moving him along, he would be just another drunken trust fund baby no one had ever really heard about.
A truly "free market" would not support the Military-Industrial-Complex with their Star-Wars Ideals for a Cold War that is over; along with weapons that don't,can't, and have never, never proven themselves to work. The mercenary complex would not have grown by leaps and bounds.
This housing bubble would never have grown the way that it did, nor as fast as it did without the dismantling of regulations, and the avarice of the rich that were clocking the dollars they could steal! Is that how a "free market" acts?
Please! These people have managed to convince the sheep (the followers of FOX and others) to believe that "those people" want to take away your "freedoms", when the reality is they are feeding at the trough of public money and pushing everyone else away!
As a tax payer I think not only should they go to jail, but they should personally forfeit the money they have scammed the tax-payers for!
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Posted by: blogbooks on Jul 24, 2008 10:09 AM
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Link to article on Financial Sense website
Sample:
"The logic of late capitalism (the declining form of capitalism) calls for the elimination of all suffering (and therefore, the elimination of real growth). This program is the basis of latter-day social democracy, which opposes the market because pain and tragedy are normal to the market system. Social democracy wants a world without failing corporations or banks. It is no wonder, then, that step-by-step they have ringed the market with “protections.” Today’s social democrat (and compassionate conservative) wants the benefits of the market without the pain of market process. The Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises once wrote: “Men must choose between the market economy and socialism. They cannot evade deciding between these alternatives….” No pain, no gain.
So there you have it. A decision has been made (and nearly everyone agrees), that pain must be nationalized."
I wrote him a letter asking if a nation had ever been led directly into socialism by its most wealthy citizens and thus far have not received a response. Right now the socialist trends are being confined to the upper classes, but when the middle class really starts to feel the pain of this declining economy they will expect some of that socialist redistribution of wealth to come their way...
Welcome to socialist America, circa 2011.
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» RE: ven conservatives agree that this economy has become socialist
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» Almost agree: nanotech?
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» Conservatives always argue that our economy is too "socialist." It's just shows their vast greed
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» I'll explain, since all of your responses are incoherent
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» Blogbooks, you have no right to call me incoherent. Your rants are silly and maniacal
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» Blogbooks, you reek of a pathetic, inferior homeschool "education" and it sucks!!
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Posted by: BigRon on Jul 24, 2008 5:40 PM
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Ms Klein's thesis seems to be that the right wing "exploited catastrophic circumstances" to promote their own agenda. I can see where that might happen in the USA - where the right, and its supporters, are considerably more organised as a single co-operative organism. Here in the UK, they're not (and I hope, never will be so!) The group that co-operated to "fix" the system in their own favour here - to the detriment of everyone else - was the far left (and in 1970's Britain "far left" meant WAY further left than anything the USA has) "Bashing the scales of democracy back into shape" was perhaps the one good thing that Thatcher achieved. That Ms Klein clearly (and totally) failed to understand this has largely destroyed her credibility in the UK. When she writes about things she understands... she's good. Maybe it would be a good idea if she restricted her future writing TO the stuff she knows about. The assumption that "because the UK and USA both speak the same language, they must be pretty much the same in every respect" is not only WRONG - but it's the kind of being wrong that I associate with the Republican Party. It's the kind of being wrong that led to the assumption that Iraqi's all harboured a secret desire to be as like Americans as they possibly could be. That the invasion would therefore be a "walk in the park."
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jul 24, 2008 8:46 PM
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The only cure is progressive taxes that make it nearly impossible to rout the economy like this. It can be done. This involves stopping all write offs for CEO salaries, for options, for their perks...and upping the capital gains and income taxes for the top. Everything should be means tested. In addition there should be a reparations tax for the damages done by these greedy mercenaries - and that should be reinvested in society.
And if there were ever a reason to keep the "Paris Hilton" tax, this is it. That these horrid examples of humanity could pass along that much money to heirs along with their terrible values and terrifying stranglehold on democracy...it is too much to contemplate.
But only a strong candidate can take back America. This involves wresting control and money from those who stole from all of us over the last decades and did nothing with it but build inane monuments to themselves, gift already wealthy universities, and in general keep the money flowing to those least in need of it. A very few good ones at the top have not done this...but we now need to ensure that we have lots of good examples at the top because that's the area where there really is no excuse for bad behavior and no justification for greed, lack of morals, or damaging individualism. How they got away with it is beyond me....except they sold a bill of yuppie goods to regular people who can't afford anything near that...floated the bad loans overseas...and generally infected everything in existence with their poor values and lack of compassion.
Yes it is time to show that nothing in life is free - not even when you rob people blind...because if you do, then you don't have any more sheeple consumers...and then what? You're seeing it now. Thus, CEOs, you don't get something for nothing - and nothing is what you gave the consumers for a long time. Now, the bill is due and I hope we have a president soon who is brave enough to demand payment.
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Posted by: talkville on Jul 25, 2008 4:29 AM
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For the rest of us? capitalism, competition neighbor with neighbor, worker with worker, gender with race, race with gender, class with both, survival of the fittest, dog-eat-dog, alpha male on challengers. The Top with a Left that is Right. The Bottom a Super-Collider of Atoms -- lots of Energy and no Mass; or lots of Mass and no Energy. Dissipating and cannibalizing each other.
Founded and developed as such; developed and found as such to this day. Name? "The System".
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Posted by: whiterabbit1 on Jul 25, 2008 1:08 PM
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the stop complaining and make yourself some money!
here's a start: http://tinyurl.com/5zk4xt
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