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As Obama Heads to Middle East and Europe, Let's Talk About U.S. Imperialism

By Roberto Lovato, Of America. Posted July 19, 2008.


As Obama prepares for his world tour, we must prepare to ask him the tough questions about imperialism and the U.S. global military machine.

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Just a week before Barack Obama's highly anticipated first tour of Europe and the Middle East as presidential candidate, CNN's Fareed Zakaria asked the Senator about the kinds of experiences that will inform his ability to occupy the most powerful foreign policy position on earth.

" ... what is your first memory of a foreign policy event that shaped you, shaped your life?" asked Zakaria. Obama invoked his childhood memories of Indonesia, where his mother worked for the U.S. embassy in Jakarta. And he did so with the poise that will ultimately vanquish the manufactured image of him as the Islamic garb-wearing threat depicted in political cartoons. With facial expressions and body language that made him look like the embodiment of sensitive, flexible yet tough cosmopolitanism, a very pensive and presidential-sounding Obama told Zakaria that he later learned that Indonesia fell victim to "an enormous coup, the military coup in which we learned later that over half-a-million people had probably died."

Most striking, Obama said, was how "the generals in Indonesia or members of Suharto's (who led the coup and ruled Indonesia for over 30 years) family were living in lavish mansions, and the sense that government wasn't always working for the people, but was working for insiders, -- not that that didn't happen in the United States," he added, "but at least the sense that there was a civil society and rules of law that had to be abided by." Obama's interview previewed the kind glamour and intelligence will help CNN reach American Idol in the ratings game while also positioning him to compete in the Great Game of geopolitics.

But as eloquent, smart and unMcCain-like as Obama sounded during the interview, his pre-foreign policy tour paean to U.S. civil society lacked any mention of how of the U.S. government was "working for the people" when its military aid paid for those Indonesian mansions in the late 1960's. Neither did his response to Zakaria mention what the U.S government did to enable one of the worst slaughters of the late 20th century: providing training to 1,200 of those generals and other Indonesian military officers and giving them the money, arms, intelligence and political support that caused catastrophic trauma. As a smart and sensitive boy who played soccer on Jakarta's dusty Haji Ramli Street, Obama surely felt this trauma among his friends and families devastated by state-sponsored terrorism and mass murder.

Nor did Obama mention in his interview the strategies in support of the military coup planned and executed out of the same embassy where his mother worked as an English teacher.

When asked by a reporter in 1990 about dissident lists prepared by the CIA and U.S. State Department and given to the Indonesian military during the coup, Robert J. Martens, a political attaché who worked at the embassy up until the year before Obama's mother did, replied: "It really was a big help to the (Indonesian) army. They probably killed a lot of people, and I probably have a lot of blood on my hands, but that's not all bad."

While it's absurd to expect Obama to account for the violence and militarism of the U.S. government of his childhood, it is imperative that we hold him accountable to stopping the violence and militarism of the government he's preparing to lead as an adult.

As he's mobbed by throngs of Europoliticos anxious to take pictures with the telegenic Senator during his Grand Tour, the Kennedyesque Obama will also be greeted by thousands of cheering Europeans and Middle Easterners, some of whom will embrace him as a prophet of political good, one who hails the end of the Apocalyptically bad foreign policies of George W. Bush. But, as critically important as it is for Obama to deploy his global rock star appeal (he polls better around the world than he does in the U.S.) in the cause of healing the U.S. image abroad, the Camelot factor will go only so far; simply American Idol-ing -- making large crowds feel like their anti-war, anti-militarism vote actually counts -- Europe, the Middle East and the world will not work for very long on today's very tenuous geopolitical stage. The cheering crowds -- and we -- would be wise to stop for more than a few commercial breaks to ask what Obama's relationship will and should be to the bloody undercurrent running beneath both Bushism and the Indonesia policy of his childhood: U.S. militarism and empire.

Rather than simply view Obama's trip abroad as another photo-op in the American Political Idol narrative offered up by global media companies, we might instead use his visit to Europe and the Middle East as away to start communicating to him -- and to the world -- that we finally recognize the error of our imperial ways.

Simply voting for and electing Obama will not solve the crisis of the rapidly declining empire hidden behind mainstream media euphemisms like "superpower" or "leader of the free world;" He could simply become the darker-skinned, smarter, friendlier front man for the most massive military empire in history -- and we its willing imperial citizens, as indicated by George W. Bush's skyrocketing poll numbers immediately following the Iraq invasion in 2003. Given that numerous polls of world public opinion now tell us that militarism, military occupation and war have leveled love of the U.S. just about everywhere, a timely and critical question to ask Obama during and after his Grand Tour is, "How many of the 737 military bases the Pentagon maintains in over 130 foreign countries on every continent are you willing to close?"

And, given what economists like Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz tell us in thick books with startling titles like The Three Trillion Dollar War -- that militarism is at the center of our growing national and global economic crises (ie; military spending busts budgets and increases debt, war decreases the amount available oil, war spending diminishes money for bridges, schools and health care, etc.) -- we might also add the question, "And how quickly are you going to dismantle those bases?"

As Obama takes his charismatic calls for "change" global, neither he nor we can afford to continue turning a blind eye to the fact that all those bases, all those wars and all that imperial behavior have not just made us less safe in the world -- and much poorer; they also unleashed domestic threats to the "civil society and rule of law" that Obama waxed patriotic about during his interview: unilateral decisions to go to war based on lies (lies accepted and repeated by most major institutions), a constitution shredded in the name of "protecting the homeland," criminal corporations protected under cover of "national security" and an increasingly secretive executive branch accountable to no one.

Let us hope that Obama's Grand Tour speeches and interviews signal that his experience is leading him to see how unfettered militarism makes today's U.S. government resemble the Indonesian government circa 1967, the year a more innocent Barack Obama started living and playing in Jakarta.

George W. Bush and Dick Cheney deserve much of the blame for the militaristic depredations that threaten the country and planet alike. But we ignore at our own risk the vast and well-rooted networks of political, military and economic interests that have long benefited from and enabled the machinations of empire. Our failure to push Obama to attack rather than promote U.S. militarism and empire will most certainly leave us vulnerable to a new era of "change," an era driven by the hydra-headed global dragon of free trade and militarism.

As he visits Europe, more specifically Britain, the former empire that brought us the American Idol TV sensation, Obama might benefit greatly by remembering the words of another British idol, former Prime Minister Winston Churchill, who in the heat of global war said in 1942, "I did not become Prime Minister to liquidate the British Empire." And then Obama might also remember what happened to Churchill just 3 years later, in 1945: he lost the election.

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Roberto Lovato, a frequent Nation contributor, is a New York-based writer with New America Media.

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American Idol
Posted by: carbon-based on Jul 19, 2008 2:58 AM   
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While many on the far left have been disenchanted with Obama, I must say I applaud the strength he has shown to carve out policies and positions that reflect the reality in America and the world.

But as of late I have begun to question his abilities myself. Setting his foreign policy BEFORE getting a first hand "look" at Iraq seems to be a mistake and an ill informed one at that.

Some seem to expect the second coming of Christ in Obama.. many dont realize he's just a politician from corrupt Chicago and is doing whats necessary to get elected.

We have become such a "rock star" society that we don't seem to look past the fine speeches and poised demeanor.

I for one like his ability to bring people together and move to the center when necessary but his foreign policy needs TONS of work and his understand of the mid east and Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan triangle seems way behind McCain. What are his 300 advisors doing???

Weather or not he took McCains "advice" to go visit Iraq (I can't believe he let himself be set up for that PR coup) I'm glad he finally did

With an honest appraisal of the facts there many will be disappointed to find he wont be pulling troops out any faster than McCain.

Unless Bush has arranged something with Iran evidenced by us sitting in on some talks they will continue make life very complicated for the us and tie us down there for some time!

Rock star or not, reality will be hitting him fast re Iraq

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American Idol
Posted by: carbon-based on Jul 19, 2008 2:58 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
While many on the far left have been disenchanted with Obama, I must say I applaud the strength he has shown to carve out policies and positions that reflect the reality in America and the world.

But as of late I have begun to question his abilities myself. Setting his foreign policy BEFORE getting a first hand "look" at Iraq seems to be a mistake and an ill informed one at that.

Some seem to expect the second coming of Christ in Obama.. many dont realize he's just a politician from corrupt Chicago and is doing whats necessary to get elected.

We have become such a "rock star" society that we don't seem to look past the fine speeches and poised demeanor.

I for one like his ability to bring people together and move to the center when necessary but his foreign policy needs TONS of work and his understand of the mid east and Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan triangle seems way behind McCain. What are his 300 advisors doing???

Weather or not he took McCains "advice" to go visit Iraq (I can't believe he let himself be set up for that PR coup) I'm glad he finally did

With an honest appraisal of the facts there many will be disappointed to find he wont be pulling troops out any faster than McCain.

Unless Bush has arranged something with Iran evidenced by us sitting in on some talks they will continue make life very complicated for the us and tie us down there for some time!

Rock star or not, reality will be hitting him fast re Iraq

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Understanding US Imperialism
Posted by: SuperDavid on Jul 19, 2008 5:01 AM   
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If you REALLY want to understand US foreign policy, you MUST read this free online book:

Addicted To War

Peace!

SuperDavid

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U.S. Imperialism? It's Just for Their Own Good!!!
Posted by: shill on Jul 19, 2008 5:02 AM   
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There's a great book on this very subject called, "The Empire Wears No Clothes," by Ivan Eland. The imperialism of the U.S. is something that the government and mainstream media does not acknowledge. Therefore, many of our citizens are not aware that there are REASONS other countries sometimes have a problem with us besides just "hating freedom," like our government leaders would like us to believe. The U.S. government has been meddling in the internal affairs of other countries for years!!!

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US aggression
Posted by: Dianka on Jul 19, 2008 5:13 AM   
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I don't think our political leaders understand that this is not 2008, not 1908, and that the world community is growing very impatient with the saber-rattling of US politicians and with our serial wars.

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» Actually, it is 2008. Posted by: bizeeb
Indy
Posted by: weenie on Jul 19, 2008 7:14 AM   
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I hate to admit it but I am sick of Obama. Every cable news channel touts his every move. His latest TV ad sounds like he's running for sainthood. I truly am not judgmental but he has cannonized his mother who got ku'd and dumped him on her parents then went off with another exotic male. He touts his Midwestern values and then labels his grandmother as racist. I think he is phoney and a liar and I will not vote for him. I will go with Barr this election. Obama was crowned by the media and the public is eating it up. They bashed Hillary and lauded Obama. They are the king makers of today.

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Robert Lavato
Posted by: bc430 on Jul 19, 2008 7:32 AM   
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"George W. Bush and Dick Cheney deserve much of the blame for the militaristic depredations that threaten the country and planet alike. But we ignore at our own risk the vast and well-rooted networks of political, military and economic interests that have long benefited from and enabled the machinations of empire. Our failure to push Obama to attack rather than promote U.S. militarism and empire will most certainly leave us vulnerable to a new era of "change," an era driven by the hydra-headed global dragon of free trade and militarism.

As he visits Europe, more specifically Britain, the former empire that brought us the American Idol TV sensation, Obama might benefit greatly by remembering the words of another British idol, former Prime Minister Winston Churchill, who in the heat of global war said in 1942, "I did not become Prime Minister to liquidate the British Empire." And then Obama might also remember what happened to Churchill just 3 years later, in 1945: he lost the election."



Thanks a million Mr. Lavato, for your lecture on Empire and Imperialism plus the bonus partrait of president Barack Obama as Super American Idol and potential dark skin friendly Imperialist in chief. You are quite a writer. Damn!



Mr. Lavato, with your immense writing skills and keen concern for president Obama's inherited American Empire replete with it's 140 lethal Military Idol campgrounds on foreign soil, over the course of 8 years you could have probably aroused a democracy loving nation of U.S. citizens to hold George W. Bush and Dick Cheney twice as accountable as you urge us to hold Barack Obama even before the November votes are cast. Since they seized office did you ever once think of using your persuasive skills to cause Impeachment? No? What's up with that? Where have you been with your mighty pen Mr. Lavato? Why the latent sense of awareness and urgency to call your fellow citizens to attention to civic detail? Do you really, sincerely, 'cross your heart and hope to die' believe, " George Bush and Dick Cheney deserve much of the blame for the militaristic depredations that threaten the country and planet alike?" You cudda urged the citizenry to push 'em more seeing how you so all into pushing militarists. You cudda made a scene and you didn't. Why not? Wouldn't you feel good knowing some stuff you wrote pushed Cheney and Bush out?

Or,... is your greater desire to impeach president Obama before he is duly elected and sworn in?

1942, 1945, Churchill and American Idol???

Watch much American Idol Mr. Lavato?

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A GREAT OPPORTUNITY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 19, 2008 7:35 AM   
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Obama seems to have an approach more in line with the times. I know it's not a popularity contest but it doesn't hurt to be liked. Our ongoing sabre rattling frightens the rest of the world and they feel a need to be able to fight back. If enough of them can turn down the violence, including us, it could be a start. Bush & Rice have done nothing but threaten and provoke other nations for 8 years. That has to change. Thanks, ANNA

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Obama's Disney-land Version of Suharto
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Jul 19, 2008 9:25 AM   
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Obama needs to read the true history of Suharto's takeover of the Government of Indonesia and the subsequent genocides for which he was responsible.

When Sukarno was ruling Indonesia he allowed the PKI, the Communist Party, to share in decision-making, a fact that did not sit well with American policy-makers. U.S. Government support was key to Suharto and other generals pushing Sukarno into the background in 1960. By 1965, Suharto had become the dictator of Indonesia and launched a campaign to eradicate any traces of the members of the PKI and the Chinese. The US participated in this campaign of mass murder and even supplied Suharto with a list of 5,000 names of members of the PKI. That makes the U.S. complicit in genocide (see website below).

In 1975, Indonesia decided that it would not only invade East Timor but murder all its inhabitants. The US had an intererst in this plan because Philips Petroleum wanted to drill for oil in East Timorese waters. To assist Suharto, the US supplied most of the arms in this act of genocide. The American participation again made the US complicit in genocide (see website below).

In both cases the actions meet the criteria for complicity in genocide according to the Genocide Convention (see website below).

http://www.stateofdarkness.com

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Why McCain Needs to Learn From Obama
Posted by: sofla100 on Jul 19, 2008 9:56 AM   
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The strength of Obama over McCain in foreign policy is his openness to new approaches, ideas and mutual discussion. McCain has shown a consistent disregard for diplomacy and a strong desire to always fall back on military solutions. Some of his recent statements include wanting to kick Russia out of the G-8, expand US military bases overseas and verbal support for a possible US invasion of Iran. McCain is taking his cues from the hard right and the neocons. The same crew that gave us Iraq in the first place. What McCain needs to do is pull more to the center and start listening to Obama. Otherwise a McCain victory is going to mean a continuation of the Bush presidency. This will be characterized by continued increasing tensions with Iran and ultimately by a deterioration in Iraq that will force McCain to send in even more troops. All this, while the USA economy deteriorates, being captured by the greatest run-up in military spending since the second world war. This then, is the choice America needs to make in who they elect President.

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America's colossal spending on "defense"
Posted by: Garvagh on Jul 19, 2008 11:00 AM   
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The US almost matches the rest of the world combined, in "defense" spending! Japan is the largest buyer of Iranian crude oil. Does Japan think it needs a fleet in the Gulf to protect its oil lines? Of course not!

Why should the American taxpayer fork over trillions of dollars for totally unnecessary armaments? The gargantuan waste goes on, year after year after year.

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though obma is in Afganistan the real villain British are playing different game in Afganistan.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Jul 19, 2008 11:29 AM   
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"http://www.larouchepac.com/node/11008/print"



The British Plan To Recolonize The Subcontinent Is Gaining Ground
18 Jul 2008

This article appeared in the July 18, 2008 edition of Executive Intelligence Review.

The British Plan To Recolonize The Subcontinent Is Gaining Ground

by Ramtanu Maitra

The massive suicide bomb attack on July 7, which killed 41 people at the Indian Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, including the Indian military attaché and counselor, indicates the ruthlessness of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI)-British MI6-aided Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), or Pakistani Taliban, to break up Pakistan, and create a new, and unstable, nation bordering the resource-rich Central Asia and Iran. Although the Western media is keen to blame the “Taliban,” it is clear that the Afghan Taliban was not involved, and that it was the handiwork of the TTP.

A day earlier, on the first anniversary of the Pakistani Army's raid of Lal Masjid at the heart of Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, a suicide bomber blew himself up, killing at least 19 people, mostly police officers. On the same day the Indian Embassy was attacked, terror struck Pakistan's largest city, Karachi, six times within an hour, as unknown terrorists triggered a series of blasts that wounded over 50 people, including children and policemen. Karachi, the largest Pakistani port, is the main disembarkation station of nearly 70% of the supplies that go to Afghanistan by road to the battling U.S./NATO troops. The supplies pass through the famed Khyber Pass--a 30-mile stretch between the Khyber Hills. At the time of this writing, the Khyber Pass, and a part of Peshawar city, 22 miles east of the Pass, remains infested with militant local tribes working hand-in-glove with the TTP.

The only way to comprehend what is happening is to first step back, and look at the key geostrategic puppet-master in the region: the British Empire.

– British Geostrategy for the Subcontinent –

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Talk about what? Ask Obama questions about what?
Posted by: nfamous on Jul 19, 2008 5:51 PM   
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I didn't even read this article after I saw what it's premise was. There is nothing to talk about or ask questions about when it comes to Obama. He is a representative of the elite and their corporations and doesn't give a damn what anyone else thinks. Asking him questions amounts to asking a murderer why he likes to kill people. Obama supports the genocide of the Palestinian people and the running of this government by Israel. Screw that and screw him based on that alone, although I have other reasons as well like I'm black and he keeps doing hateful things toward blacks to appease whites to get elected.

Black people are stupid to support a man that has no convictions and will do anything to get elected. Whites are even stupider because this man represent the superwealthy whites that ruined the lives of poor and middle class whites in this country. The words from his lips are smooth lies. This is no time to discuss reforming the system or change or asking tough questions. We've been down that road and the same people are in charge now that were in charge then. Do you really think they all of a sudden want to listen to reason through Obama. Hell no!!!! He's one of them and if you cannot see that then you deserve the fate that awaits us all because we sat on our butts while the Constitution was decimated arguing with each other of illegal aliens, religion, racism and the like. The elite have successfully divided us and are about to complete the conquering phase.

America has failed but ask your stupid questions of Obama which make no demands of him. Power concedes nothing without a demand and Obama will concede nothing to the masses because we make no demand of him. Making a demand means threatening dissolution of the federal government through physical violence. They cannot stop all of us. That means saying "Do what we say because you represent us or we're gonna kick your ass!". A coward dies a thousand deaths. A soldier dies but one. Real soldiers defend their country from internal corruption and usurpation, not support teenagers in uniforms for indiscriminately killing nonwhites overseas for oil. We are all soldiers now because of oar own inaction. Now fight, die or continue to be a corporate slave.

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If the glove fits....
Posted by: celticwriter on Jul 19, 2008 9:50 PM   
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Unlike OJ, Obama will offer a softer glove covering america's fist of steal.

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Staying in Iraq until the oil is gone
Posted by: Dboy on Jul 19, 2008 9:59 PM   
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A REAL exit from Iraq would mean allowing China and Russia to negotiate oil contracts with the Iraqi government; and without a way to puppeteer the Iraqis from afar, they would likely find countries other than the US to trade with. Iran's oil demand is expected to rise within the next few years, leading to Iran becoming a net-zero exporter of oil. So that lost supply, combined with nationalized Iraqi oil, and a Venezuela that refuses to come under the US's thumb, could put the US into a vulnerable position. And another big supplier, Mexico, has apparently passed it's oil peak with the rapid decline of the Cantarell field. Bad news all around.

In addition, even if the US didn't need the oil, it would be important to control Iraq in order to deny the US's "enemies" from having access to it. And lastly, a true pullout from Iraq would mark the end of US expansion, as the US would no longer have Iraq as it's lily-pad to hop all over the middle-east from.

When McCain compared Iraq to S. Korea, and said he'd be happy staying in Iraq for a hundred years, he wasn't kidding. Obama's not saying it now, but on January 21st, 2009, American's will get a reality check. Look at the Green Zone maps on Google Images. Look at the words being used to describe the permanent bases there (they call them "enduring" bases; either way it means the US is there for the long-haul). Obama wants to move troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, but the only reason that can happen is because the relative level of resistance is higher in Afghanistan RIGHT NOW. That could change the instant "the surge" is over. This thing is not about winning and losing, and it's not about rebuilding infrastructure for the people (obviously) or giving them democracy (obviously). This is a resource war. If you control the resource then you've won. Therefore to leave is to lose. Iraq has high-quality oil. There's no "sucking it out of rocks" or mining for it (oil shale). You basically stick a big straw in the ground and suck. And that means insane profits for US oil companies. So ask yourself: who really runs the US, and why would THOSE people want to leave Iraq? What pain are THEY feeling that makes an Iraq occupation untenable? Nothing.

And looking a bit further out, an Iraq occupation buys the US more time to develop alternative energy sources. A large amount of energy will be required just to build the new sources of energy. Oil is a large input into the production of solar panels, for instance.

Not saying I LIKE it, just telling it like it is.

dboy

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Got to play the game............by not stating the obvious
Posted by: LosGatosNative on Jul 20, 2008 7:09 PM   
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You get elected by not pointing out the bad things your country has done to other peoples. Pointing out americas faults now will surely lose him some votes...................

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"fist of 'steal'?...Learn to spell...It's "steel"
Posted by: naryaquid on Jul 21, 2008 7:37 PM   
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Before spouting off your opinions -- Shouldn't you learn BASIC English?...Just a thought.

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