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Iran's Missile Test: A Clear Reminder That an Attack Would Be Disastrous

By Scott Ritter, Truthdig. Posted July 15, 2008.


Iran’s recent missile test should remove all doubt that an attack by either the United States or Israel would be a terrible mistake.

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There can no longer be any doubt about the consequences of any U.S. and/or Israeli military action against Iran. Armchair warriors, pundits and blustering politicians alike have been advocating a pre-emptive military strike against Iran for the purpose of neutralizing its nuclear-related infrastructure as well as retarding its ability to train and equip "terrorist" forces on Iranian soil before dispatching them to Iraq or parts unknown. Some, including me, have warned of the folly of such action, and now Iran itself has demonstrated why an attack would be insane.

I've always pointed out that no plan survives initial contact with the enemy, and furthermore one can never forget that, in war, the enemy gets to vote. On the issue of an American and/or Israeli attack on Iran, the Iranian military has demonstrated exactly how it would cast its vote. Iran recently fired off medium- and long-range missiles and rockets in a clear demonstration of capability and intent. Shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, regional oil production capability and U.S. military concentrations, along with Israeli cities, would all be subjected to an Iranian military response if Iran were attacked.

The Bush administration has shrugged off the Iranian military display as yet another example of how irresponsible the government in Tehran is. But the Pentagon for one has had to sit up and pay attention. For some time now, the admirals commanding the U.S. 5th Fleet in the Persian Gulf have maintained that they have the ability to keep the Strait of Hormuz open. But the fact is, the only way the United States could guarantee that the strait remained open would be to launch a massive pre-emptive military strike that swept the Iranian coast clear of the deadly Chinese-made surface-to-surface missiles that Iran would otherwise use to sink cargo ships in the strategic lane. This strike would involve hundreds of tactical aircraft backed up by limited ground action by Marines and U.S. Special Operations forces, which would involve "boots on the ground" for several days, if not weeks. Such a strike is not envisioned in any "limited" military action being planned by the United States. But now that it is clear what the Iranian response would entail, there can no longer be any talk of a "limited" military attack on Iran.

The moment the United States makes a move to secure the Strait of Hormuz, Iran will unleash a massive bombardment of the military and industrial facilities of the United States and its allies, including the oil fields in Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar. American military bases in Iraq and Kuwait -- large, fixed and well known -- would be smothered by rockets and missiles carrying deadly cluster bombs. The damage done would run into the hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars; and hundreds, if not thousands, of U.S. military personnel would be killed and wounded.

To prevent or retard any Iranian missile attack, the United States would have to commit hundreds of combat sorties, combined with Special Operations forces, to a counter-missile fight that would need to span the considerable depth of the Persian landmass from which missiles might reach potential targets. While there has been some improvement in the U.S. military's counter-missile capability, one must never forget that in 1991 not a single Iraqi Scud missile was successfully interdicted by any aspect of American military action -- air strike, ground action or antiballistic missile -- and in 2003 the U.S. military had mixed results against the far-less-capable Al-Samoud missiles. Israel was unable to prevent Hezbollah from firing large salvos of rockets into northern Israel during the summer 2006 conflict. There is no reason for optimism that the United States and Israel have suddenly found the solution to the Iranian missile threat.

There is virtually no chance the U.S. Navy would be able to prevent Iran from interfering with shipping through the strait. There is every chance the Navy would take significant casualties, in both ships lost and personnel killed or wounded, as it struggled to secure the strait. There would be a need for a significant commitment of ground forces to guarantee safe passage for all shipping, civilian and military alike. The longer ground forces operated on Iranian soil, the better the chances Iranian missiles would not be able to effectively interdict shipping. Conversely, the longer ground forces operated on Iranian soil, the greater likelihood there would be of decisive ground engagement. With U.S. air power expected to be fully committed to the missile interdiction mission, any large-scale ground engagement would create a situation in which air power would have to be redirected into tactical support and away from missile interdiction, creating a window of vulnerability that the Iranians would very likely exploit.

Iran has promised to strike targets in Israel as well, especially if Israel is a participant in any military action. Such Israeli involvement is highly unlikely, since to do so in any meaningful fashion Israel would need to fly in Iraqi airspace, a violation of sovereignty the Iraqi government will never tolerate. The anti-American backlash that would be generated in Iraq would be immediate and severe. In short, virtually every operation involving the training of Iraqi forces would be terminated as the U.S. military trainers would need to be withdrawn to the safety of the fortified U.S. bases to protect them from attack. U.S. civilian contractors would likewise need to be either withdrawn completely from Iraq or restricted to the fortified bases. All gains alleged to have been made in the "surge" would be wiped away instantly. Worse, the Iraqi countryside would become a seething mass of anti-American activity, which would require a huge effort to reverse, if it ever could be. Iraq as we now know it would be lost, and what would emerge in its stead would not only be unsympathetic to the United States but actually a breeding ground for anti-American action that could very well expand beyond the boundaries of Iraq and the Middle East.

The chances of preventing an Iranian-Israeli clash in the event of a U.S. strike against Iran are slim to none. Even if Iran initially showed restraint, Hezbollah would undoubtedly join the fray, prompting an Israeli counterstrike in Lebanon and Iran that would in turn bring long-range Iranian missiles raining down on Israeli cities.

Neither the Israeli nor the American (and for that reason, European and Asian) economy would emerge intact from a U.S. attack on Iran. Oil would almost instantly break the $300-per-barrel mark, and because the resulting conflict would more than likely be longer and more violent that most are predicting, there is a good chance that oil would top $500 or even more within days or weeks. Hyperinflation would almost certainly strike every market-based economy, and the markets themselves would collapse under the strain.

The good news is that the military planners in the Pentagon are cognizant of this reality. They know the limitations of American power, and what they can and cannot achieve. When it was uncertain how Iran would respond to a limited attack, either on their nuclear facilities or on bases associated with the Revolutionary Guard Command, some planners might have thought that the United States could actually pull off a quick and relatively bloodless attack. Now that Iran has made it crystal clear that even a limited U.S. attack would bring about a massive Iranian response, all military planners now understand that any U.S. military attack would have to be massive. Simply put, the United States does not now have the military capacity in the Middle East to launch such a strike, and any redeployment of U.S. forces into the region could not go undetected, either by Iran, which would in turn redeploy its forces, or the rest of the world. Because a U.S. attack against Iran would have such a horrific, detrimental impact on the entire world, it is hard to imagine the international community remaining mute as American military might is assembled.

Likewise, despite the disposition of Congress to either remain silent on the issue or actively facilitate military action against Iran, it would become increasingly difficult for American lawmakers to ignore the consequences of a military strike on Iran, economically and politically. The same can be said of both major presidential candidates. The decision by Iran to show its hand on how it would respond to any American aggression has cleared the air, so to speak, about what is actually being discussed when one speaks of military action against Iran. In many ways, the Iranian missile tests have made it less likely that there will be a war with Iran, simply because the stakes of any such action are so plainly obvious to all parties involved.

Iran continues, based upon all available intelligence information, to pursue a nuclear program that is exclusively intended for peaceful energy purposes. Any concerns that may exist about the dual-use potential of Iran's uranium enrichment programs can be mitigated through viable nuclear inspections conducted by the International Atomic Energy Agency. IAEA inspections should be improved upon by getting Iran to go along with an additional inspection protocol, rather than pursuing military action that would destroy the inspection process and remove the very verification processes that provide the international community with the confidence that Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapons program.

The reality is that Iran's nuclear program is here to stay. Iran has every right under international law to pursue this program, and regional and global tensions would be greatly reduced (along with the price of oil) if American policies, and in related fashion U.N. Security Council mandates, were adjusted accordingly. Israeli paranoia -- derived not so much from any genuine Iranian threat but rather from an affront to Israeli nuclear hegemony in the Middle East -- must in turn be subdued. This can be done through a mixture of international pressure designed to punish Israel diplomatically and economically for any failure to adhere to international norms when it comes to peaceful coexistence with its neighbors, and international assurances that Israel's sovereignty and viability as a nation-state will forever be respected and defended.

Of course, there can be no meaningful international pressure brought to bear on Israel without American participation, and herein lies the crux of the problem. Until the U.S. Congress segregates legitimate national security concerns from narrow Israeli-only issues, the pro-Israel lobby will have considerable control over American national security policy. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee's continued push for congressional action concerning the implementation of what is tantamount to a naval blockade of Iran (and as such, an act of war) by pushing House Resolution 362 and Senate Resolution 580 is mind-boggling given the reality of the situation. Congress must stop talking blockade and start discussing stability and confidence-building measures.

There has never been a more pressing time than now for Congress to conduct serious hearings on U.S. policy toward Iran. Such hearings must not replicate the rubber-stamp hearings held by the U.S. Senate and House in the summer of 2002. Those hearings were simply a facilitating vehicle for war with Iraq. New hearings must expand the body of witnesses beyond administration officials and those who would mirror their policy positions, and include experts and specialists who could articulate a counter point of view, exposing Congress to information and analysis that might prompt a fuller debate. This is the last thing the AIPAC and the Bush administration want to see. But it is the one thing the American people should be demanding.

Only an irrational person or organization could continue to discuss as viable a military strike against Iran. Sadly, based upon past and current policy articulations, neither AIPAC nor the Bush administration can be considered rational when it comes to the issue of Iran. It is up to the American people, through their elected representatives in Congress, to inject a modicum of sanity into a situation that continues to be in danger of spinning out of control.

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Scott Ritter served as chief U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 until his resignation in 1998. He is the author of, most recently, Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story of the Intelligence Conspiracy to Undermine the U.N. and Overthrow Saddam Hussein (Nation Books, 2005).

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it is now or never
Posted by: richholland on Jul 15, 2008 2:46 AM   
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Nowadays mr.Sarkozy of France is trying to install a mediterrian Union including Marocco,Tunesia, Algery,Egypt, ISRAEL, Palestenia,Syria and Turkey together with the european states around that sea.

Soon oil from Iraq will flow through 2 pipelines 1. Israel and 2.Turkye to the mediterian sea.
This is an alternative for the Strait of Hormoez.

In near future we will have the Olympic games in China.
It seems unthinkable BEFORE these games of honor and peace a war could start.

However if the american economy collapses and some money-eager abhorrent warmongers believe they might benefit from it a attempt to attack IRAN is on short notice possible.

The question is; do the big oilcompanies want MORE oilproduction in the hands of their competition. What happens to the $ if other countries can pay in Euro or Yen???

Assume another 9/11 happens i.e in Chicago and there are attacks on tankers in the Street of Hormoez, is this a trigger mechanisme, a casus belli or is the american governement intelligent enough to keep the world peace???

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Scott's Slightly Off-Base, For Once.
Posted by: Urgelt on Jul 15, 2008 4:14 AM   
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I'm an avid consumer of Scott Ritter's written word. He's honest, authoritative, and wise. But on the subject of envisioning a hypothetical missile-counter-missile war with Iran, I beg to differ. I don't think it would play out the way he envisions.

Here is a simple truth: the conventional missiles and rockets Iran can launch against our bases and interests are not very accurate.

The SCUD missiles he mentions from the 1991 war were completely ineffective, despite our inability to counter them. They inflicted few casualties and had no impact on the outcome of the war at all. Our counter-missile capability has improved in the years since, and so has our offensive air arm. At most they'll be a nuisance.

Iran's mobile missiles are no better than Iraq's were. Their fixed-base missiles might be a little more capable, but those are extremely vulnerable to a first strike.

I'm not arguing we should attack. God forbid! I agree with Scott that it would be insane. But the real reasons it would be insane are moral, economic, and geopolitical.

I'll let the moral part of my argument stand without justification. If you don't agree, so be it. I doubt anything I could say would persuade you.

The economic part of my argument is simple. Iran can pose a credible threat against oil transportation. Even if we control the skies, even if we cordon the land surrounding sea routes, Iran has plenty of options for scaring the bejesus out of oil traders, not to mention disrupting shipments. The oil price shocks could send the price of gas in the US to $12 or higher.

But the meat of the matter is geopolitical. We're already skating on the thinnest of thin ice in the Middle East. Our policies are radicalizing Muslims who would not have been interested in jihad against us before we started bombing weddings, bribing thugs, flattening entire cities, and awarding to ourselves lucrative oil contracts.

In other words, we've made ourselves much less safe, and harmed our own interest in Middle Eastern stability. We've poured fuel on Al-Queda's fire.

Attacking Iran is not going to improve matters. It's going to make them much, much worse.

Iran is not terribly capable militarily, despite alarmist news reports. But that's not the point. Iraq wasn't, either. Neither was Afghanistan. But we seem to have trouble grasping this essential point: there is a tomorrow after today. You can splash their planes, blow up their refineries, cluster-bomb their Revolutionary Guard, bomb them back to the stone age, but you can't make them like you. And if they're mad, really mad, a lot of them are going to devote their sad, rubble-strewn lives to getting revenge. It may take a while, but every second-rate power in the world has read Mao. They know exactly what works.

Countering that will be really, really, really expensive. As in, expensive enough to bankrupt us and send us spiraling down into the third world. If it's not already underway. America is the largest debtor nation on Earth, folks. The neocon dream of empire needs to die, and fast, while there's still something left to salvage.

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» RE: Scott's Slightly Off-Base, For Once. Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» RE: Scott's Slightly Off-Base, For Once. Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
Sober Analysis
Posted by: pauldd on Jul 15, 2008 5:53 AM   
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Mr. Ritter cuts close to the bone. Though his analysis on the likely military consequences is probably accurate up until point that the first bomb is dropped.

That aside, it is clear to any sane and reasonably educated person that an attack on Iran would be disastrous to US interests and, more broadly, world interests. Say no more... Until the last paragraph: Only an irrational person or organization could continue to discuss as viable a military strike against Iran

We need to keep pressure on our representatives to exercise oversight because this administration is informed by fanatical delusions of US power and supported by a multitude of hawkish so-called think-tanks that see potential to profit from a cataclysm while the planet goes up in flames.

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Ritters track record, worse than a Scudd!
Posted by: carbon-based on Jul 15, 2008 6:00 AM   
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I never had much respect for Riter, he was a sellout. After all, he was the one who said "" Iraq had obstructed the work of inspectors and attempted to hide and preserve essential elements for restarting WMD programs at a later date."". He left his position as UN inspector because he felt nothing was being done to stop Saddam. mmm.. Bush's rationale? Ritter..too little to late!

He should know something about the capability of the countries in the mideast though..

The world doesn't need to see a few missiles launched, one of which failed I believe) to understand Irans capabilities.. Iraq had one of the most powerful military's in the world before the first war (on paper that is). A good strategy will take that out. Iran doesn't have air superiority which is essential and what is it's resupply capabilities for a long term conflict? That was a big problem for them n the Iran/Iraq war.

America’s anti missile technology has come a long way since the first gulf war. Ritter is incorrect in stating the Patriot had a ZERO success rate “”the U.S Army stating that the Patriot systems had detected 88 Scuds, engaged 53, of which 27 had been successfully engaged.”” - not bad for a quick fix as the patriot was an anti aircraft weapon! What else is he incorrect about in this article?

Well, Ritter isn't talking about is command structure, tactics, training etc..etc..etc.. all the things that enable a smaller force to defeat a larger one. Look at Israel's stinging defeat of much larger combines Arab forces over and over...

The US isnt going to put large warships in a confined waterway as a target for Iran. You can bet that communications are going to be taken out, radar's etc will be neutralized - you can't hit what you can't see - and their capabilities will be overwhelmed or challenged.

But that said, no one with any sense would figure that Iran would just roll over, we could just make it seem that way. But Ritter assumption that Iran would unleash a barrage of missiles on Iran is suspect. We know Israel has nukes. I see Iran laying back and unleashing it’s terrorists network on Israel. It stands no chance in an all out war with Israel. It would wreck their economy, infrastructure and most importantly to them, make possible a situation where the moderates could take over the country again.

The hard part is the prolonged effects of what such a war would bring. This would be the beginning of the end of any chance of peace in that region and I personally believe the threat to the US wouldn't be militarily but economically and in status, we would be done as a world power on all levels.

“”Iran continues, based upon all available intelligence information, to pursue a nuclear program that is exclusively intended for peaceful energy purposes””.. Ritter your record is piss poor – again. First your wrong assessment of Iraq now Iran? What will he say when Iran deploys it’s first nuke! Too late for “ooop’s, I made ANOTHER mistake”

Ritter needs to come clean. He knew what Saddam was up to and was critical of the US and UN for not doing anything to stop him.. what the change of heart?? because there was "coin" in it for him. Sell out!!!

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» RE: still don't get it? Posted by: carbon-based
Israel looks for trouble w/a flashlight
Posted by: weathered on Jul 15, 2008 6:03 AM   
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See this link w/Israel for exactly what it is:extortion.

What kind of Democracy needs to buld a Wall? What kind of friend needs to spy?
What kind of ally installs their bookeeper to set-up shop at the Pentagon?


Israel is a petri dish of mis and disinformation - all very carefully packaged and presented w/the fraudulent and phony energy of a Hollywood production.

What could have been one of the coolest places on the Planet is now a Global disgrace.
Nice job Israel, you must be proud?

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The global monster
Posted by: Last Chance on Jul 15, 2008 6:13 AM   
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can go out with a bang or a whimper, your choice George, Armageddon or bankruptcy. I'd pick bankruptcy since there would be pieces to pick up and put back together, unlike WW3 that would leave nothing but a radio-active wasteland -- and would the Creator thank you for destroying life on Earth? I doubt it.

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You mean the faked missile test?
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jul 15, 2008 6:20 AM   
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Iran doctors photos to cover up failed missile launch.

I'm not saying they couldn't cause oil to go to $250 a barrel. Nor am I suggesting that it would be a cakewalk to invade Iran. In truth it would probably be the last war the United States of America would ever fight. After that debacle, there would most likely be a series of secessions and the end of the Union as we know it.

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» RE: You mean the faked missile test? Posted by: carbon-based
themanwithadog
Posted by: the man with a dog on Jul 15, 2008 8:56 AM   
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One must always remember why the US never nuked Russia or vice versa. One simple answer--fear of RETALIATION.Fear is probably the biggest weapon of all.

Iran will not strike the first blow.

Israel would like to and backed by the US would create devastation on Iran but this is not Saddam they are dealing with but someone who will fire back and is as unstable as Bush. The holocaust will pale into insignificence with the final outcome should anyone start ANY attack.

The major problem we have is the three lunatics with their fingers hovering over the buttons, The Commander in Chief, the President of Iran and the Israeli faction.

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Why would the military industrial complex want to . . .
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jul 15, 2008 8:58 AM   
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Why would the military industrial complex want to screw up an arrangement as sweet as status quo?

I happen to agree with Ritter on all points except the genie and bottle analogy and its result. If the U.S. obliterates Iran and lets the nuclear genie out, it will let the U.S. dominate the planet militarily (even more than it now does).

U.S. reluctance to use its vast nuclear arsenal has in effect rendered nuclear weapons useless against terrorism, and forms of guerrilla warfare. Our reluctance, meanwhile, is due the fact that the military industrial complex wants to develop and use as many weapons as possible, fight small, expensive (ones to which you must commute, as it were) wars, and do anything it can to avoid real destruction of its economic base - expensive wars. The replacement of the nukes used against Iran would be a pittance compared to a long, drawn out arms race with first Iran, then the rest of Islam. That's what the arms-makers want. That's what we'll get.

Were we to nuke Iran (even if we were to obliterate it), the U.S. dominance of the world by nuclear terror (or "shock and awe," should you prefer) would mean that the rest of the world would need other means of stopping us (and they absolutely have to, and soon), and the means would be economic ones. That we can't handle, and even the Bush League knows it.

The world's small nations, in other words, can bring down our government the same way our citizenry could - don't pay it. Don't trade with the U.S. Use the U.N. to stop other nations from trading with us.

While Mr. Ritter, I'm afraid, has laid down a very accurate assessment of the situation, his conclusions are wrong. The powers that rule in the U.S. would far rather maintain the status quo, even until al Qaeda or the like scores a nuclear attack against a U.S. city. That would simply be an excuse to invade Iran, create another Iraq and/or Afghanistan, and even start a new military draft (the people, given a nuclear terrorist strike, would surrender the neighbor's kid in a minute).

And don't be surprised when we lose a city to the nuclear form of 9-11. It's been, and is being, war-gamed in the Pentagon. If certain people here have to give al Qaeda the bomb, they'll do it. This is a corporate government, run like a corporation by corporations. For "intell" on what that means, read up on the Ford Pinto case, and fifty like it.

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An attack on Iran
Posted by: donl51 on Jul 15, 2008 9:05 AM   
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Would probably stem from Israel striking first then the U.S. going in this would pretty much show the American people and everyone else who really wear's the pants,so to speak, between the two countries, The U.S taxpayer gives Israell roughly speaking about 9+/- billion $ a year not to mention some pretty nice milatary hardware![not sure why exactly] What really bothers me about all this is what China & Russia will do, concidering they ea. do quite a lot of business w/Iran....stand idly by???? I would think not,!!This one could really get ugly and for what exactly???....and it would be America's fault!!

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Go for it or as Bush says' "Bring it on"!
Posted by: symcokid on Jul 15, 2008 9:20 AM   
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Blast away it doesn't cost much to maintain these wars all over hell's creation, after all we, the USofA are the masters of the universe anyway.

Iran had best play by the rules or else but, Israel can thumb it's nose at the world and do as it pleases - for this very reason there will never be peace in the Middle East or anywhwere on the planet.

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IRAN IS NOT PANAMA
Posted by: david.model@senecac.on.ca on Jul 15, 2008 9:40 AM   
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Since 1783, the U.S. has been an expansionist nation, first annexing adjacent territory, usually through force, to become part of the United States then attacking nations who possessed a resource or strategic assest coveted by the American colonial machine.

Invoking the Monroe Doctrine, the U.S. interfered in every Latin American country often with the use of force such as Panama in 1989 where the Panama Canal and 14 bases were at stake. The U.S. bombed military and civilian targets with impunity given their overwhelmingly superior force.

One common parameter in American military adventures was the weakness of the targeted State which had no means to defend itself. This parameter is no longer true in the case of Iran. As Scott Ritter pointed out in his article, Iran will strike back with avengence threatening to escalate the American attack into a regional war at the very minimum. Only military leaders with a realistic understanding of the consequences of launching an attack against Iran can stop this madness.

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Other players
Posted by: b253@yahoo.com on Jul 15, 2008 9:50 AM   
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One thing few seem to mention is that Russia and China both have interests in the Middle East and does anyone think they will remain totally on the sidelines. At the least they will supply weapons to Iran.

I agree it would be irrational to attack Iran. I also think Bush is totally irrational as is enough of the pubic here in the USA to permit him to remain as our president.

Pay attention to Dennis Kucinich.

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Iran Appears to have no Aggressive Intent Nor Capability and 50 Million People Under The Age of 30
Posted by: opmoc on Jul 15, 2008 10:01 AM   
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With a very high literacy rate. I would expect that over 90% of the Youth rather than being Islamic nutters are seeking a Western lifestyle and the majority are already living it.

If left in peace they will eventually form the Government of Iran and the religious loonies currently in control will simply die out.

If however, Iran is attacked 50 Million party people will become an army of 50 Million determined to extract revenge.

Its a recipe for complete and utter World War, of a type the West would be completely unable to defend itself against.

I'm beginning to form the opinion that this entire US/Iran dispute is a media show to entertain the salivating right wing extremists in both the US and Israel.

Last year's capture by Iran of 15 British sailors was such a farce - that they even took a TV crew along to interview those involved on the ship before it happenned. It simply had to be a joint Iran/UK operation for Worldwide TV entertainment.

Iran has benefited more than anyone from the US occupation of Iraq and despite bullshit to the contrary would appear to be a natural ally of the US rather than enemy.

Is this threat of an attack on Iran real - or just rhetoric for the consumption of others?

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Iran's missle tests are a clear indication
Posted by: willymack on Jul 15, 2008 12:21 PM   
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That they're scared shitless of the pathological bush regime, and with good reason. How would YOU like a serial killer living next door to you?

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RE: How would you like a psychopath in charge of your country?
Posted by: modeler on Jul 15, 2008 2:00 PM   
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A psychopath? A whole group of them in and around the White House, the Knesset and in Teheran as well! Heaven help us, how can those idiots be eliminated?

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Forget the Shahab. Look for The Real Threat From Iran
Posted by: Ishmael1 on Jul 16, 2008 9:28 AM   
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I spent six years in the US Navy specializing in anti-submarine and anti-ship precision-guided weapons systems and was a member of Nuclear Weapons Handling Teams. There are four key weapons systems in the Iranian arsenal everyone should familiarize themselves with. I have provided the Wiki links below:

Exocet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exocet

A subsonic anti-ship missle developed by the French, it was used with deadly effectiveness in both the Falklands war and on USS Stark. Iran is reported to have hundreds of them.

Sunburn:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskit

The Sunburn/Moskit is a Mach 2.5 anti-ship missle with a 120 km operational range and NO KNOWN countermeasures. Iran is buying as many of these as they can get as well.

Yakhonts:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-800_Oniks

The Yakhonts/Oniks is another Mach 2.5 anti-ship missle with a 300 km range and NO KNOWN countermeasures. Iran is buying many of these as well.

Shkval:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shkval

The VA-111 Shkval is a supercavitating rocket torpedo with speeds in excess of 200 mph. Deployable from submarines and small boats, the newest models are wire-guided. Iran is reported to have hundreds of these as well.

The war games referred to in another comment took place two years ago. The Red/Iran force commander attacked the Blue/US force with wave attacks of literally hundreds of Exocet,Sunburn and Yakhonts missles from concealed points along Iran's mountainous coast counterpointed by Shkval torpedo attacks from Kilo-class subs and suicide speedboats. The final result was the TOTAL ANNHILLATION of the Blue Force. So, if the US OR Israel attacks Iran, expect Iran to sink every US Naval vessel in the Persian Gulf. Considering the attack scenario REQUIRES Three Carrier battle groups inside the Gulf, that would mean about 30 ships and about 30,000 sailors lying in Davey Jones' Locker. This also gives Iran the capability to close the Hormuz Straits indefinitely.

Do we seriously think Bush would shrink from escalating to nuclear weapons in such a scenario? I would also expect China, Russia and Iran to dump their dollar holdings on the world market inducing the hyperinflation and economic colapse of the US.

So it seems Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine is coming to YOUR town. All reports I am reading posit an attack in either August or between November and January next year. At first, I thought there would have to be a nuclear attack on US soil, whether real or false-flag, to provide the necessary justification for martial law. But then I realized that the attack and subsequent disaster would serve the purpose just as well.

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Stability in Afghanistan is impossible without Iran's help
Posted by: Garvagh on Jul 20, 2008 12:39 PM   
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I agree with the author that an Israeli (or US) attack on Iran would be insane. Not only would oil go to $250 per barrel, if not higher, but the chaos threatening Afghanistan and the frontier areas of Palistan would grow much worse.

Iran poses no threat to the US, and no threat to Israel for that matter. The idiotic smashing of Lebanon in the summer of 2006, by Israel, is a grave warning of the utter stupidity and futility of an Israeli attack on Iran.

Israel needs to get out of the Golan Heights, and sign a peace treaty with Syria. This will help to bring stability to Lebanon.

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