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Worries About War Crimes Heat up in the White House

By Frank Rich, The New York Times. Posted July 14, 2008.


Top Bush hands are starting to get sweaty about where they left their fingerprints on U.S. torture policies.

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We know what a criminal White House looks like from "The Final Days," Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein's classic account of Richard Nixon's unraveling. The cauldron of lies, paranoia and illegal surveillance boiled over, until it was finally every man for himself as desperate courtiers scrambled to save their reputations and, in a few patriotic instances, their country.

"The Final Days" was published in 1976, two years after Nixon abdicated in disgrace. With the Bush presidency, no journalist (or turncoat White House memoirist) is waiting for the corpse to be carted away. The latest and perhaps most chilling example arrives this week from Jane Mayer of The New Yorker, long a relentless journalist on the war-on-terror torture beat. Her book "The Dark Side" connects the dots of her own past reporting and that of her top-tier colleagues (including James Risen and Scott Shane of The New York Times) to portray a White House that, like its prototype, savaged its enemies within almost as ferociously as it did the Constitution.

Some of "The Dark Side" seems right out of "The Final Days," minus Nixon's operatic boozing and weeping. We learn, for instance, that in 2004 two conservative Republican Justice Department officials had become "so paranoid" that "they actually thought they might be in physical danger." The fear of being wiretapped by their own peers drove them to speak in code.

The men were John Ashcroft's deputy attorney general, James Comey, and an assistant attorney general, Jack Goldsmith. Their sin was to challenge the White House's don, Dick Cheney, and his consigliere, his chief of staff David Addington, when they circumvented the Geneva Conventions to make torture the covert law of the land. Mr. Comey and Mr. Goldsmith failed to stop the "torture memos" and are long gone from the White House. But Vice President Cheney and Mr. Addington remain enabled by a president, attorney general (Michael Mukasey) and C.I.A. director (Michael Hayden) who won't shut the door firmly on torture even now.

Nixon parallels take us only so far, however. "The Dark Side" is scarier than "The Final Days" because these final days aren't over yet and because the stakes are much higher. Watergate was all about a paranoid president's narcissistic determination to cling to power at any cost. In Ms. Mayer's portrayal of the Bush White House, the president is a secondary, even passive, figure, and the motives invoked by Mr. Cheney to restore Nixon-style executive powers are theoretically selfless. Possessed by the ticking-bomb scenarios of television's "24," all they want to do is protect America from further terrorist strikes.

So what if they cut corners, the administration's last defenders argue. While prissy lawyers insist on habeas corpus and court-issued wiretap warrants, the rest of us are being kept safe by the Cheney posse.

But are we safe? As Al Qaeda and the Taliban surge this summer, that single question is even more urgent than the moral and legal issues attending torture.

On those larger issues, the evidence is in, merely awaiting adjudication. Mr. Bush's 2005 proclamation that "we do not torture" was long ago revealed as a lie. Antonio Taguba, the retired major general who investigated detainee abuse for the Army, concluded that "there is no longer any doubt" that "war crimes were committed." Ms. Mayer uncovered another damning verdict: Red Cross investigators flatly told the C.I.A. last year that America was practicing torture and vulnerable to war-crimes charges.

Top Bush hands are starting to get sweaty about where they left their fingerprints. Scapegoating the rotten apples at the bottom of the military's barrel may not be a slam-dunk escape route from accountability anymore.

No wonder the former Rumsfeld capo, Douglas Feith, is trying to discredit a damaging interview he gave to the British lawyer Philippe Sands for another recent and essential book on what happened, "Torture Team." After Mr. Sands previewed his findings in the May issue of Vanity Fair, Mr. Feith protested he had been misquoted -- apparently forgetting that Mr. Sands had taped the interview. Mr. Feith and Mr. Sands are scheduled to square off in a House hearing this Tuesday.

So hot is the speculation that war-crimes trials will eventually follow in foreign or international courts that Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff, has publicly advised Mr. Feith, Mr. Addington and Alberto Gonzales, among others, to "never travel outside the U.S., except perhaps to Saudi Arabia and Israel." But while we wait for the wheels of justice to grind slowly, there are immediate fears to tend. Ms. Mayer's book helps cement the case that America's use of torture has betrayed not just American values but our national security, right to the present day.

In her telling, a major incentive for Mr. Cheney's descent into the dark side was to cover up for the Bush White House's failure to heed the Qaeda threat in 2001. Jack Cloonan, a special agent for the F.B.I.'s Osama bin Laden unit until 2002, told Ms. Mayer that Sept. 11 was "all preventable." By March 2000, according to the C.I.A.'s inspector general, "50 or 60 individuals" in the agency knew that two Al Qaeda suspects -- soon to be hijackers -- were in America. But there was no urgency at the top. Thomas Pickard, the acting F.B.I. director that summer, told Ms. Mayer that when he expressed his fears about the Qaeda threat to Mr. Ashcroft, the attorney general snapped, "I don't want to hear about that anymore!"

After 9/11, our government emphasized "interrogation over due process," Ms. Mayer writes, "to pre-empt future attacks before they materialized." But in reality torture may well be enabling future attacks. This is not just because Abu Ghraib snapshots have been used as recruitment tools by jihadists. No less destructive are the false confessions inevitably elicited from tortured detainees. The avalanche of misinformation since 9/11 has compromised prosecutions, allowed other culprits to escape and sent the American military on wild-goose chases. The coerced "confession" to the murder of the Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, to take one horrific example, may have been invented to protect the real murderer.

The biggest torture-fueled wild-goose chase, of course, is the war in Iraq. Exhibit A, revisited in "The Dark Side," is Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, an accused Qaeda commander whose torture was outsourced by the C.I.A. to Egypt. His fabricated tales of Saddam's biological and chemical W.M.D. -- and of nonexistent links between Iraq and Al Qaeda -- were cited by President Bush in his fateful Oct. 7, 2002, Cincinnati speech ginning up the war and by Mr. Powell in his subsequent United Nations presentation on Iraqi weaponry. Two F.B.I. officials told Ms. Mayer that Mr. al-Libi later explained his lies by saying: "They were killing me. I had to tell them something."

That "something" was crucial in sending us into the quagmire that, five years later, has empowered Iran and compromised our ability to counter the very terrorists that torture was supposed to thwart. As The Times reported two weeks ago, Iraq has monopolized our military and intelligence resources to the point where we don't have enough predator drones or expert C.I.A. field agents to survey the tribal areas where terrorists are amassing in Pakistan. Meanwhile, the threat to America from Al Qaeda is "comparable to what it faced on Sept. 11, 2001," said Seth Jones, a RAND Corporation terrorism expert and Pentagon consultant. The difference between now and then is simply that the base of operations has moved, "roughly the difference from New York to Philadelphia."

Yet once again terrorism has fallen off America's map, landing at or near the bottom of voters' concerns in recent polls. There were major attacks in rapid succession last week in Pakistan, Afghanistan (the deadliest in Kabul since we "defeated" the Taliban in 2001) and at the American consulate in Turkey. Who listened to this ticking time bomb? It's reminiscent of July 2001, when few noticed that the Algerian convicted of trying to bomb Los Angeles International Airport on the eve of the millennium testified that he had been trained in bin Laden's Afghanistan camps as part of a larger plot against America.

In last Sunday's Washington Post, the national security expert Daniel Benjamin sounded an alarm about the "chronic" indecisiveness and poor execution of Bush national security policy as well as the continuing inadequacies of the Department of Homeland Security. Mr. Benjamin must feel a sinking sense of dj vu. Exactly seven years ago in the same newspaper, just two months before 9/11, he co-wrote an article headlined "Defusing a Time Bomb" imploring the Bush administration in vain to pay attention to Afghanistan because that country's terrorists "continue to pose the most dangerous threat to American lives."

And so we're back where we started in the summer of 2001, with even shark attacks and Chandra Levy's murder (courtesy of a new Washington Post investigation) returning to the news. We are once again distracted and unprepared while the Taliban and bin Laden's minions multiply in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This, no less than the defiling of the Constitution, is the legacy of an administration that not merely rationalized the immorality of torture but shackled our national security to the absurdity that torture could easily fix the terrorist threat.

That's why the Bush White House's corruption in the end surpasses Nixon's. We can no longer take cold comfort in the Watergate maxim that the cover-up was worse than the crime. This time the crime is worse than the cover-up, and the punishment could rain down on us all.


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The Chickens Are Coming Home To Roost
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 14, 2008 1:03 AM   
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Of this you may be absolutely certain: the next six months will find the shredders inside the White House working overtime - take that to the bank.

Will George W. Bush and the tidal wave of human shit which comprises the most murderously corrupt and incompetent administration in American history be able to get away with their crimes against the human race? Obviously the half-witted little thug thinks he's going to be able to beat this thing. But it's not like the old days, is it? When Poppy could just rustle up a couple of his well connected friends to get Junior out of a jam. No. The little bastard is in deep doo-doo now. Billions have been looted from the treasury. Over a million people have been murdered by this disgusting little asshole.

As I said on the first posting I made on "The Rant" just slightly over two years ago and repeated yesterday in Frank Rich's New York Times blog:

George W. Bush will be remembered, primarily, as the first former chief executive to go to federal prison.

He will die there.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
The Arrogance of Being Karl

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» Only buy essential goods... Posted by: paulaH
One can only hope.
Posted by: shill on Jul 14, 2008 3:41 AM   
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Mr. Bush and Cheney surely DESERVE everything they get. However,in my opinion, this is all just wishful thinking. In the end, absolutely NOTHING is going to be done about this administration's obvious disregard and contempt for our Constitution. The Bush family simply has too many wealthy and influential friends in high places; Cheney too. It will all be shuffled under the rug or assigned to a committee (same thing, actually.) The Democratic Party, along with the mainstream media has either been absolutely spineless (until the past 18 months or so) in challenging this president's arrogance, or they were complicit in helping Bush/Cheney to START with! It is a sad commentary on the state of affairs in our country today that as long as most of us have enough food to eat, are relatively secure in our lives regarding a place to live, a job, and entertainment to watch or listen to on our TVs and IPods, that we are letting the government (BOTH parties, not just ONE) slowly but surely take our basic rights from us. By the time Mr. Bush's friends in the mainstream media are through, he will go down as one of our so called "greatest" presidents. Pitiful.

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» RE: One can only hope. Posted by: adp3d
» RE: One can only hope. Posted by: john mont
» RE: One can only hope. Posted by: Lauren
» RE: One can only hope. Posted by: reelectnoone
» RE: One can only hope. Posted by: mainspark
One way that Fascist Traitor Bush can escape
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Jul 14, 2008 5:11 AM   
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The people below him are at risk and I love how they have been told not to leave the country. We can count on the international community to file indictments/warrants with the International Criminal Court and as far as Iraq is concerned, Iraq itself has standing I believe to seek redress in the World Court at the Hague.

But recall that Bush purchased 84,000 acres in Paraguay a couple of years ago. The land is adjacent to one of our Air Force bases. Paraguay does not extradite war criminals. All Bushie-boy has to do is hop a military plane and lo and behold he can go back to clearing brush on a new ranch for the rest of his miserable life.

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» RE: Great! Thanks for the link PM ! n/m Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
paving the way
Posted by: somegirl on Jul 14, 2008 5:32 AM   
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thanks frank for letting us know that a terrorist attack is just as likely now as it was in 7/01, paving the way for bushco to make it/let it happen just in time to cancel the elections in november. maybe get that martial law they've been itching for and throw some liberals in the camps they've been building for this very scenario.

tinfoil hat? we'll see.

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» RE: paving the way Posted by: Lauren
» RE: paving the way Posted by: somegirl
» RE: paving the way Posted by: Lauren
hope or cynicism?
Posted by: whealeydj on Jul 14, 2008 5:34 AM   
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I dont know whic is worse at this point. Hope that Obama will hold the lying liars criminally responsible or cynicism that Obama has already begun to morph into Bill Clinton triangulation running and ruling from the center. I know for sure that a vote for McCain will exempt the Bush-Cheney crooked tyranical policy makers any accountability for their crimes.

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» RE: hope or cynicism? Posted by: Lauren
» RE: hope or cynicism? Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: hope or cynicism? Posted by: sicntired
Enough!
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Jul 14, 2008 5:50 AM   
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I'm so tired of this phony war on terror. We're being sold a bill of goods that is being used to justify everything the politicians do these days. The American people should wage a war on Bush's terror; that war would be definitely justified. I'm watching my civil liberties drain away, watching as my country tortures people, and I'm fed up. Then I read this article and in the end, the writer actually promotes the utter nonsense that what is happening with the Taliban in Afghanistan is a danger to us here in America. Give me a break, Alternet!!

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» RE: nough! Posted by: Lauren
» RE: nough! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: nough! Posted by: Lauren
» RE: nough! Posted by: Quannah
» RE: nough! Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: nough! Posted by: knjaz
Butcher of Cambodia Henry Kissinger roams free: American officials have nothing to worry
Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jul 14, 2008 6:50 AM   
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US government was found guilty of sponsoring terrorism against Nicaragua.

Kissinger et al roam free after killing millions.

Are we that naive that we think that Bush officials have anything to worry about?

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A cynical view
Posted by: 8 nontheist on Jul 14, 2008 7:31 AM   
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While W & his cohorts richly deserve to be tried for treason incident to their war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide & other high crimes including conspiracy to commit mopery; to be found guilty & to be executed within 5 hours of being sentenced; there is the new tradition of the plea bargain to save the criminals from justice.
I long to see photos of W, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al as they do a perp walk.
There too are Int'l tribunals who don't have access to the death penalty & avoid sentences of more than 30 years for the worst of war criminals.
In the unlikely event that W & crew don't get off scott free, there are suspended sentences, country club prisons & the like.

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» RE: A cynical view Posted by: Quannah
» RE: A cynical view Posted by: 8 nontheist
» 30 years would do! Posted by: SteveO
RICH IS RIGHT,BUT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 14, 2008 7:54 AM   
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My question is: how many people does Bush get to pardon the way his father did on Christmas Eve before he left office. It included those who would have been witnesses to Reagan and the Iran-Contra mess. I'd love to see then all rot in jail but what do we lose by acting prematurely? I do enjoy making them sweat. And I believe that other countries have some rights in the matter. These are international war crimes. Thanks, ANNA

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War in Iran
Posted by: wireup on Jul 14, 2008 7:59 AM   
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Watch this 2 minute tape of Scott Ritter, taken from brasscheck tv:

www.brasschecktv.com/page/365.html
What an attack on Iran will look like

It is absolutely CHILLING and will make your hair stand on end.

Pass this on to everyone you know!

Do yourself a favor and subscribe to brasscheck. I've seen videos from them available no where else.

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» RE: Brasscheck TV Posted by: peacefullaim
Bushco final ace in the hole
Posted by: zipper696 on Jul 14, 2008 8:42 AM   
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If McSame steals it he will surely issue blanket immunity to the whole bunch.

The best reason to vote Obama !!

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Dealing With The Ultimate Evil
Posted by: QQOblivion on Jul 14, 2008 9:06 AM   
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So. The war in Iraq was not only based on lies, but the lies in part were based on "evidence" gathered through torture.

There is not much that is more evil than that.

Since the American people aren't capable or willing to impart justice, it may be up to the international community to act.
People overseas like to blame Americans for sitting on our hands when it comes to the literal war-crimes of the Bush administration. But why haven't Bush and Cheney already been arrested when they traveled overseas? There was a mild attempt to arrest Rumpsfeld, sure, but nothing came of that.
Why not make it impossible for these vile war-criminals to be able to ever travel out of the US?
Are you people overseas so frightened of America and so in need to trade with us that you will not act?
You are as much to blame as Americans for the fact that Bush and Cheney and Rumpsfeld and Rice and Gonzales and Yoo and all the rest are all free.
Act now, or YOUR country or your allies could be attacked by America next!

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It has already been shown that torture produces bogus info
Posted by: Cathyblj on Jul 14, 2008 11:59 AM   
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So why do they keep doing it? Maybe so they can come up with "evidence" which "proves" their lies so they can do whatever they want. Maybe because they are psychos that enjoy torturing others.

Rove/Bush/Cheney et. al. have been wiping their asses with the Constitution and we don't know what rights we have left. The SCOTUS-selected VP basically declared war (instead of Congress) on a country which had not attacked us, and they used fear-mongering and the emotions of 9/11 to get Dems to go along with it.

I have always been in favor of gun control to keep weapons out of the hands of crazy people who go shooting up schools, but since our fearless (Chickenhawk) leaders are a bunch of pathological liars and psycho murderers, maybe it doesn't matter anymore. No wonder they're preparing for martial law.

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» "So why do they keep doing it?" Posted by: hurricane hugo
» RE: Why they keep doing it Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
» I hadn't thought of that, AWF Posted by: Cathyblj
is there a church/state issue here?
Posted by: somegirl on Jul 14, 2008 3:34 PM   
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UCF is a public university. they are using their armed police to guard the eucharist? i know it's florida, but could this go against church/state separation?

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» oops wrong thread... Posted by: somegirl
What if the pre-9/11 warnings were DELIBERATELY ignored?
Posted by: Leo_Silversmith on Jul 14, 2008 9:48 PM   
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Here's a thought I've seen insinuated a couple of times, but more often skirted: What if the pre-9/11 warnings were DELIBERATELY ignored? PNAC made it clear that the neo-cons had their evil eyes on Iraq from as far back as Bush I. Bush II and his cronies (including Big Oil, Halliburton, etc.) have made a bundle of $$$, and stand to make a lot more (you hear about the recent sweetheart, no-bid contracts for Exxon-Mobil, etc. to exploit Iraq's oil?). The only question was HOW TO DO IT??? How to commit the greatest heist ever - stealing the oil in Iraq? So, one quiet morning in September, 2001, they blow up a couple of buildings (reminiscent of the burning of the Reichstag), connect some very obtuse dots to Iraq, and here we are. What I'm saying is that THEY KNEW 9/11 was coming (re: warnings from European intelligence services, the FBI, etc.), that these mothers were complicit in the destruction of the Towers and the deaths of thousands of Americans, and the subsequent deaths of thousands more soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis . . . all that damned oil was just too tempting! And then, THEN, by the time anybody's figured out what they were up to, well, we've got a couple of dozen bases set-up right next door to Saudi Arabia, and Iran, and Russia - how much of the rest of the world's oil supply are we talking about there? I think that to consider this thought, that people in our own government were responsible for this terrible crime against humanity, is just too appalling for many people to digest . . . but what about you, intelligent, free-thinking, angry AlterNet readers? I'm really curious if I'm paranoid and delusional . . . or if maybe, just maybe, there's another more horrible aspect that's yet to be generally recognized.

For further insight into this "war of terror", check out the movie Zeitgeist (available free online at http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm).

Oh, and I hope y'all remembered to celebrate Bastille Day!

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» We need an American Bastille Day Posted by: hurricane hugo
Pardon Me!
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jul 14, 2008 11:59 PM   
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No doubt Bush's last words as president will be "pardon me."

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» RE: Pardon Me! Posted by: EJLima
Sweaty hands? Worries?
Posted by: talkville on Jul 15, 2008 4:26 AM   
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Place'em hanging to a greased cross-bar over a pit of happy hungry alligators! Let the alligators decide if they taste good or not. Animals for animals.

Walk onwards, toward a human world.

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Who else should do time?
Posted by: boing007 on Jul 16, 2008 10:35 AM   
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Why not indict everbody who was involved or promoted this insanity for crimes against humanity? Include all congressional and parliamentary members, along with attorney generals, governors, generals, talk show hosts, lawyers, ad infintum.

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Dohncha...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Jul 17, 2008 12:30 PM   
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...just wish we had a congress that would uphold the Constitution as well? It is my wet dream for impeachment and a war crimes trial, but I will have to achieve it the old fashioned way I guess.

Not prosecuting is part of the plan for the destruction of this country.

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International Court
Posted by: modeler on Jul 18, 2008 8:39 AM   
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The International Court has set a precedent with the indictment of the president of Sudan. A step in the right direction. Have they got the guts to do likewise with the Bushit and his Dick?

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And where does Obama
Posted by: fifthworld on Jul 21, 2008 4:51 PM   
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stand on the importance of preventing the next 9/11 INSIDE JOB IN THE NAME OF PERMANENT TERROR by indicting these sick fucks? Oh well, guess I missed that speech by our visionary hero, the guy worth voting for - for, like, change.

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And where does Obama
Posted by: fifthworld on Jul 21, 2008 4:51 PM   
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stand on the importance of preventing the next 9/11 INSIDE JOB IN THE NAME OF PERMANENT TERROR by indicting these sick fucks? Oh well, guess I missed that speech by our visionary hero, the guy worth voting for - for, like, change.

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