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Racism, Sexism and Speed: Can NASCAR Be Saved From Itself?
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NASCAR execs' preoccupation with having their cake and eating it too has long been a recipe for disaster. Now there is an ingredient that could ruin their entire corporate feast: Mauricia Grant. In 2005, Grant became the first black, female inspection official in the sport's history. Two years later she was fired. Now Grant has filed a $225 million harassment lawsuit against NASCAR alleging "racial and sexual discrimination, sexual harassment and wrongful termination."
"I loved it. It was a great, exciting, adrenaline-filled job where I worked with fast cars and the best drivers in the world," Grant told The Associated Press. "But there was an ongoing daily pattern [of harassment]. It was the nature of the people I worked with, the people who ran it, it trickled down from the top."
The lawsuit details twenty-three specific incidents of sexual harassment and thirty-four specific incidents of alleged racial and gender discrimination over a two-year span. It is a fairly mindnumbing recitation of similar stories that go well beyond anyone's notion of political correctness.
Grant has accused two NASCAR officials, Tim Knox and Bud Moore, of exposing themselves to her as well. They are now on "indefinite administrative paid leave" although NASCAR suspiciously says it has nothing to do with the lawsuit.
Grant claims she was called "Nappy Headed Mo" and "Queen Sheba." She had a coworker who liked to talk casually about the Ku Klux Klan. Another white official named, oddly enough, David Duke, sent her a text message that read, "I love all Yall mofos i am that niggaHAHAHAHollaPIMPALICIOUS."
So far, NASCAR's response to Grant's allegations has been to go into attack mode. Chairman Brian France said, "The disappointing thing is she makes a lot of claims, none of them reported, The fact that it went on as she stated, for many months, but never bothered to tell anyone at management what was going on--which is what our policy says--is very disappointing." Grant claims she did tell others but that she was told to let it go because her tormenters were "former military guys" with a rough sense of humor.
Mike Wilford, who is named in the suit and has since left NASCAR, told The Associated Press that Grant was in on the offensive "jokes" the whole time. "Graphic and lewd jokes? She participated in them. She laughed, she would never say it was inappropriate," Wilford claims. "She asked to be called the only two names she was ever called. She called herself Mo Money all the time."
Needless to say, this scandal could destroy NASCAR, or at the very least, put it in permanent marketing purgatory. Ironically the person perhaps best-equipped to save NASCAR from itself is Mauricia Grant.
Grant has said, "We have to work together to change the racist culture. Anyone that has an interest in motorsports, they should be allowed to work in that environment without having to deal with racism or sexism."
Grant's love of motorsports is so intense, so pure, that she can separate the beauty of the sport from the ugly underbelly desperately clinging to its wheels. Perhaps she could even inspire NASCAR fans to get up and demonstrate--whether it be at Daytona or Talladega--to show that intolerance and gender inequality are not the cornerstones of the sport they love.
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Posted by: kwalla on Jul 12, 2008 12:57 AM
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NASCAR: You'll be in MY prayers tonight!
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jul 12, 2008 12:55 AM
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Posted by: IndyDoug on Jul 12, 2008 4:17 AM
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Posted by: aislinnluv on Jul 12, 2008 4:20 AM
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Jul 12, 2008 4:29 AM
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I like it! I like It!
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Posted by: Prairie Waif on Jul 12, 2008 5:23 AM
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It isn't just the drivers and owners who suffer, it is support personnel, spin off industries and local economies.
That isn't running in circles; the economy is, around stock holders of those elites that received "W"'s Tax "BREAK".
The rest of us? Run around in circles as we rob Peter to pay Paul and beg one creditor to hold off until the next paycheck or month. WE MOST CERTAINLY are going around and around. . .
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Posted by: chuckjs on Jul 12, 2008 5:24 AM
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Let's not even start discussing the high cost of food and the need to make ethanol from corn to power those great indy and formula one cars. Me and my family really need to starve so those great sportsman can waste fuel proving their worth to the world.
And for those who may say it. The paraphinalia was bought many years ago. I can't afford my food now so that crap is gone. And it is slowly being sold off to cover the increased costs of living.
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 12, 2008 5:51 AM
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As a motorsport NASCAR's a wreck already.
It's boring. The races are waaaaaaaaay too long and too many times finish under a yellow caution flag. And if a drop of rain should fall, like a Texas construction worker, NASCAR drivers drop the tools and go to the bar, while effete Formula 1 drivers continuing racing in torrential downpours.
Any resemblance to your auto in the garage and a NASCAR "stock" car is merely in name only. When I was a kid, NASCAR stock cars were just that, Detroit iron my dad could buy off the dealer's lot with a roll-cage, beefed-up brakes and a suped-up engine.
Really, the only reason the rubes who spend their hard-earned paycheck on this trash go is for the beer and boobs.
Let NASCAR die.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 12, 2008 5:55 AM
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Posted by: sliver on Jul 12, 2008 6:27 AM
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That goes for those of us who drive convertibles, sports cars, and other gas-suckers that serve no other purpose than to try and show off your vehicle-purchasing ability.
Good job, you bought a cool car. Now what are you going to do to contribute to our culture?
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Posted by: sliver on Jul 12, 2008 6:32 AM
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Rodeo could afford a little sensitivity training, too.
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Posted by: Bbear41 on Jul 12, 2008 6:35 AM
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Posted by: ellie on Jul 12, 2008 6:37 AM
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even with the understanding that we are already beyond peak oil, walk instead of drive, are a 1 vehicle family and that vehicle rarely moves more then 10 miles a week, and avoid the gas station like the plague,(we were like this even while griping about $1.35 a gallon gas) here goes...
once a year on our anniversary we go for the treat of actually driving NASCAR tracks (individual cars of course)... yes, it is a sport... it takes a lot of concentration, skill and physical ability to manage the car, hit the marks and drive the line with drafting, passing etc...
there is a problem with the professional level of course and it is more sexism then racism... how many women have you ever seen in a cup series??? women can drive, but to get to the elite levels where the $$ is, they are sidelined to the more administrative tasks and support positions beforehand...
where the women drivers are, are in the non-pro class, where you drive because you enjoy it... yes, men still give you a hard time, rude comments and outright sexism, but just hold your ground then drive them into humiliation... filing a lawsuit isn't the best way to handle this kind of sexism, $$ does shut the problem boys up a bit, but these guys are there for the machismo thing and leaving them in the track dust is where it hurts...
with the economy tanking, there are fewer sponsorships this year then last and more unemployed drivers and staff... expect fewer next year and beyond...
the girls for eye candy in NASCAR are no different then pro football cheerleaders and other rah rah sports we encourage our daughters to participate in...
this sport was born of outrunning the ATF to deliver moonshine during prohibition... putting these cars on a track adds a challenge to it and maybe it's time to get back to it's roots, many of the best drivers were women in the 30's making those 'deliveries'...
if we shun everything that is fun (your choice of defining fun)and live in sackcloth and ashes, everything has a cost to it, yes, even breathing has a cost to the planet...
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Posted by: jnelson4765 on Jul 12, 2008 7:10 AM
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Plus, a lot of the bikini-girl action is from the sponsors, who love to have their logo stretched across plastic-enhanced boobs - some marketer's idea of how to get the attention of the standard male NASCAR spectator. I'd love to see the sport go back to the level it was in the 70's - factory specials, not a lot of money, and less "I'd like to thank sponsors X, Y and Z for this opportunity" cheeseball interviews.
The racism exists - and nothing short of the next generation taking over is going to do anything about that. The fan base has a lot of the casual bigots that every Southerner knows about - not actively hostile, but generally disliking people who don't look like him. Things might change short of just waiting for them to shed this mortal coil, but I doubt it. We're stubborn down here, and no amount of kumbaya singing is going to change these guys' minds.
Barack Obama may do it - if he can get the wheels put back on the working class economy, that may very well change the opinions of a lot of people. Here's to hoping...
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Posted by: writer7 on Jul 12, 2008 7:21 AM
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Posted by: Toscanini on Jul 12, 2008 8:02 AM
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 12, 2008 8:04 AM
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http://coloradoseasons.com/nascar.php--NASCAR Thunder.
It's so lovely you'll wanna puke!
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Posted by: Dboy on Jul 12, 2008 8:33 AM
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Am amazed to see the word "NASCAR" on Alternet..you people are FULL of surprises.
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Posted by: perkywa on Jul 12, 2008 10:28 AM
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Sexism is not the exclusive property of NASCAR...it is in all forms of racing...SO WHAT? Grow Up.
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Posted by: Alterina on Jul 12, 2008 12:15 PM
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I have a close associate who fields a racing team. He owns an 18-wheeler which hauls 3 to 5 race cars from east coast to west coast, from Canada to Florida. Once at the track, the high-power low-MPG cars go around and around for practice and qualifying laps and then run the races, all the while using leaded gas.
I used to love racing back when an old boyfriend was a very skilled driver, and always thought I'd try it someday. But we can't afford the sport any more.
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Posted by: BobNoxious on Jul 12, 2008 5:29 PM
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PROUD OF IT!!!
I can't stand NASCAR. Watching red-necks drive in circles for three and a half hours? No thanks.
(Formula One is the REAL state of the art in racing technology, anyway.)
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Posted by: movieluddite on Jul 12, 2008 10:19 PM
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Some folks apparently have a need to look down their greener-than-thou noses at NASCAR, while others think NASCAR's fans are all one subspecies of lesser humans and easy targets because of it.
NASCAR is more out in the open about its energy use than other traveling-roadshow types of entertainment, so it seems that gives license to trash the organization on general principles. Couple that with the stereotype some folks have of the "typical NASCAR fan" (i. e., someone less-educated, lower-income, less-sophisticated, further right politically and more openly racist than themselves) and we have a fine recipe for a good dose of "They're just a**holes, let 'em all rot."
I wonder what these folks have to prove, other than their noses are stuck so far in the air they could be used as satellites.
I've seen far more flat-out racism and sexism (along with "We are the elite, they are mere rabble" attitudes) on college campuses and in management offices than I've seen from all the NASCAR fans I know.
Don't think for a moment I don't know what racism and sexism look like. My other vehicles have either dual V-16 3000 HP diesel engines or 6000 electric horses at 90+mph. And "girls" didn't play with trains 30-some years ago when I hired out.
The remarks I've seen here speak volumes.
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Posted by: davy on Jul 13, 2008 12:23 AM
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Posted by: movieluddite on Jul 13, 2008 8:26 AM
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"The author never seriously questions how Ms. Grant could justify a $225,000,000 suit for wrongful termination. That figure is a joke, and even if this whole suit wasn't a premeditated attempt to blackmail NASCAR, the lawyer who took on the suit is clearly pumping it up to turn it into blackmail."
Your position, then, is that Ms. Grant is a whiner and complainer, and that NASCAR's perfectly innocent, and that her lawyer is an ambulance-chaser. Am I correct in that understanding?
I got news for you. Nobody's perfect, and neither is any organization run by humans. And as an imperfect human remedy for this, our system has courts where one's story may be told, and lawyers who advocate both sides.
I personally know too little on this particular case to have an opinion either way, only the allegations and counter-charges aired publicly.
We'll see how it all plays out in civil court.
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Posted by: Beached Whale on Jul 13, 2008 10:35 AM
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I will just add that these types of lawsuits only serve to reinforce the notion that minorities just won't "play ball". I hope for everyone's sake that Ms. Grant has recorded instances of abuse and has ready access to written evidence of that nature. In this day and age, only the thickest planks are overtly racist/homophobic/misogynistic/etc., and so would be unlikely to cover their tracks effectively. If all she can muster, however, are allegations, then I would not be inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted by: movieluddite on Jul 13, 2008 3:19 PM
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Most of the comments boil down to, "NASCAR uses too much gas, so that makes it worthless right there," "NASCAR fans are Not Our Kind Of People," and "They're scum because of who they are, throw 'em all under the bus!"
Seems some folks have a need to look down their noses at someone else. Lawsuit or no lawsuit.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 13, 2008 5:45 PM
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the World would be better off.
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NASCAR: entertainment for the inbred.
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Posted by: Stoney 12+1 on Jul 14, 2008 6:05 PM
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Drag racing has ALWAYS opened our ranks to women and people of color.
In the little town of Greer South Carolina where we race at the Greer Drag Way, you'll find all sorts of people in the stands, pits, and staging lanes! Black folks, Latino Folks, Women Folks, and all sorts of folks are out there every week, and the sport is better for it!
I've had many different colored hands under the hood of the old Mustang, and my hands have been under more than a few myself!
This might turn out to be a blessing in disguise for NASCAR. It did a world of good for NHRA.
When Shirley Muldowney pulled up to the staging lanes in her first top fuel car, Don Garlits, and Connie Kalita stood up for her, and signed her competitors license!! This wasn't an act of chivalry or deference! SHE EARNED IT!!!! These guys are going to be driving a race car right next to her at 250 miles an hour. They don't put their names to something like that, unless they've given it some SERIOUS thought!
If you've earned it, GO GET IT!!! You've EARNED IT!! It's YOURS!!! Stand up, and you'll find people in that organization that are willing to stand with you, if it's worth a shit!
When you earn the respect of your coworkers, or competitors, you are NEVER going to stand alone! And if you do, then that organization isn't worthy of your respect! Separate yourself from it, and don't look back!
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Posted by: Thetorganization on Jul 15, 2008 10:40 AM
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Posted by: xmvince on Jul 16, 2008 10:35 AM
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The "racist" comments sounded mostly like jokes, not directed to offend, but maybe to lighten the situation as I doubt many of the Nascar officials feel comfortable around minorities (although that clown probably shouldn't have been talking about the KKK). She does not deserve anywhere close to $225 mil, maybe 1 or 2 mil, but it sounds more like she is just looking for a way to get more money. Nascar is a waste of oil and if they don't acknowledge this waste and try to fix it, then they will destroy themselves anyway most likely, but for now I am on Nascars side for this one as it seems all the racial comments were pretty light, and there was no physical abuse going on so all in all if her feelings were hurt, and she really wants all that money, then she is a weak person. Maybe a more reasonable thing would be for her to get her job back and then report racist remarks and have her clean up Nascar herself instead of stealing $225 mil from them.
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Posted by: kwalla on Jul 12, 2008 12:57 AM
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NASCAR: You'll be in MY prayers tonight!
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jul 12, 2008 12:55 AM
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Posted by: IndyDoug on Jul 12, 2008 4:17 AM
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Posted by: aislinnluv on Jul 12, 2008 4:20 AM
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Jul 12, 2008 4:29 AM
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I like it! I like It!
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Posted by: Prairie Waif on Jul 12, 2008 5:23 AM
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It isn't just the drivers and owners who suffer, it is support personnel, spin off industries and local economies.
That isn't running in circles; the economy is, around stock holders of those elites that received "W"'s Tax "BREAK".
The rest of us? Run around in circles as we rob Peter to pay Paul and beg one creditor to hold off until the next paycheck or month. WE MOST CERTAINLY are going around and around. . .
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Posted by: chuckjs on Jul 12, 2008 5:24 AM
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Let's not even start discussing the high cost of food and the need to make ethanol from corn to power those great indy and formula one cars. Me and my family really need to starve so those great sportsman can waste fuel proving their worth to the world.
And for those who may say it. The paraphinalia was bought many years ago. I can't afford my food now so that crap is gone. And it is slowly being sold off to cover the increased costs of living.
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 12, 2008 5:51 AM
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As a motorsport NASCAR's a wreck already.
It's boring. The races are waaaaaaaaay too long and too many times finish under a yellow caution flag. And if a drop of rain should fall, like a Texas construction worker, NASCAR drivers drop the tools and go to the bar, while effete Formula 1 drivers continuing racing in torrential downpours.
Any resemblance to your auto in the garage and a NASCAR "stock" car is merely in name only. When I was a kid, NASCAR stock cars were just that, Detroit iron my dad could buy off the dealer's lot with a roll-cage, beefed-up brakes and a suped-up engine.
Really, the only reason the rubes who spend their hard-earned paycheck on this trash go is for the beer and boobs.
Let NASCAR die.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 12, 2008 5:55 AM
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Posted by: sliver on Jul 12, 2008 6:27 AM
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That goes for those of us who drive convertibles, sports cars, and other gas-suckers that serve no other purpose than to try and show off your vehicle-purchasing ability.
Good job, you bought a cool car. Now what are you going to do to contribute to our culture?
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Posted by: sliver on Jul 12, 2008 6:32 AM
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Rodeo could afford a little sensitivity training, too.
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Posted by: Bbear41 on Jul 12, 2008 6:35 AM
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Posted by: ellie on Jul 12, 2008 6:37 AM
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even with the understanding that we are already beyond peak oil, walk instead of drive, are a 1 vehicle family and that vehicle rarely moves more then 10 miles a week, and avoid the gas station like the plague,(we were like this even while griping about $1.35 a gallon gas) here goes...
once a year on our anniversary we go for the treat of actually driving NASCAR tracks (individual cars of course)... yes, it is a sport... it takes a lot of concentration, skill and physical ability to manage the car, hit the marks and drive the line with drafting, passing etc...
there is a problem with the professional level of course and it is more sexism then racism... how many women have you ever seen in a cup series??? women can drive, but to get to the elite levels where the $$ is, they are sidelined to the more administrative tasks and support positions beforehand...
where the women drivers are, are in the non-pro class, where you drive because you enjoy it... yes, men still give you a hard time, rude comments and outright sexism, but just hold your ground then drive them into humiliation... filing a lawsuit isn't the best way to handle this kind of sexism, $$ does shut the problem boys up a bit, but these guys are there for the machismo thing and leaving them in the track dust is where it hurts...
with the economy tanking, there are fewer sponsorships this year then last and more unemployed drivers and staff... expect fewer next year and beyond...
the girls for eye candy in NASCAR are no different then pro football cheerleaders and other rah rah sports we encourage our daughters to participate in...
this sport was born of outrunning the ATF to deliver moonshine during prohibition... putting these cars on a track adds a challenge to it and maybe it's time to get back to it's roots, many of the best drivers were women in the 30's making those 'deliveries'...
if we shun everything that is fun (your choice of defining fun)and live in sackcloth and ashes, everything has a cost to it, yes, even breathing has a cost to the planet...
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Posted by: jnelson4765 on Jul 12, 2008 7:10 AM
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Plus, a lot of the bikini-girl action is from the sponsors, who love to have their logo stretched across plastic-enhanced boobs - some marketer's idea of how to get the attention of the standard male NASCAR spectator. I'd love to see the sport go back to the level it was in the 70's - factory specials, not a lot of money, and less "I'd like to thank sponsors X, Y and Z for this opportunity" cheeseball interviews.
The racism exists - and nothing short of the next generation taking over is going to do anything about that. The fan base has a lot of the casual bigots that every Southerner knows about - not actively hostile, but generally disliking people who don't look like him. Things might change short of just waiting for them to shed this mortal coil, but I doubt it. We're stubborn down here, and no amount of kumbaya singing is going to change these guys' minds.
Barack Obama may do it - if he can get the wheels put back on the working class economy, that may very well change the opinions of a lot of people. Here's to hoping...
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Posted by: writer7 on Jul 12, 2008 7:21 AM
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Posted by: Toscanini on Jul 12, 2008 8:02 AM
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 12, 2008 8:04 AM
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http://coloradoseasons.com/nascar.php--NASCAR Thunder.
It's so lovely you'll wanna puke!
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Posted by: Dboy on Jul 12, 2008 8:33 AM
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Am amazed to see the word "NASCAR" on Alternet..you people are FULL of surprises.
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Posted by: perkywa on Jul 12, 2008 10:28 AM
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Sexism is not the exclusive property of NASCAR...it is in all forms of racing...SO WHAT? Grow Up.
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Posted by: Alterina on Jul 12, 2008 12:15 PM
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I have a close associate who fields a racing team. He owns an 18-wheeler which hauls 3 to 5 race cars from east coast to west coast, from Canada to Florida. Once at the track, the high-power low-MPG cars go around and around for practice and qualifying laps and then run the races, all the while using leaded gas.
I used to love racing back when an old boyfriend was a very skilled driver, and always thought I'd try it someday. But we can't afford the sport any more.
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Posted by: BobNoxious on Jul 12, 2008 5:29 PM
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PROUD OF IT!!!
I can't stand NASCAR. Watching red-necks drive in circles for three and a half hours? No thanks.
(Formula One is the REAL state of the art in racing technology, anyway.)
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Posted by: movieluddite on Jul 12, 2008 10:19 PM
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Some folks apparently have a need to look down their greener-than-thou noses at NASCAR, while others think NASCAR's fans are all one subspecies of lesser humans and easy targets because of it.
NASCAR is more out in the open about its energy use than other traveling-roadshow types of entertainment, so it seems that gives license to trash the organization on general principles. Couple that with the stereotype some folks have of the "typical NASCAR fan" (i. e., someone less-educated, lower-income, less-sophisticated, further right politically and more openly racist than themselves) and we have a fine recipe for a good dose of "They're just a**holes, let 'em all rot."
I wonder what these folks have to prove, other than their noses are stuck so far in the air they could be used as satellites.
I've seen far more flat-out racism and sexism (along with "We are the elite, they are mere rabble" attitudes) on college campuses and in management offices than I've seen from all the NASCAR fans I know.
Don't think for a moment I don't know what racism and sexism look like. My other vehicles have either dual V-16 3000 HP diesel engines or 6000 electric horses at 90+mph. And "girls" didn't play with trains 30-some years ago when I hired out.
The remarks I've seen here speak volumes.
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Posted by: davy on Jul 13, 2008 12:23 AM
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Posted by: movieluddite on Jul 13, 2008 8:26 AM
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"The author never seriously questions how Ms. Grant could justify a $225,000,000 suit for wrongful termination. That figure is a joke, and even if this whole suit wasn't a premeditated attempt to blackmail NASCAR, the lawyer who took on the suit is clearly pumping it up to turn it into blackmail."
Your position, then, is that Ms. Grant is a whiner and complainer, and that NASCAR's perfectly innocent, and that her lawyer is an ambulance-chaser. Am I correct in that understanding?
I got news for you. Nobody's perfect, and neither is any organization run by humans. And as an imperfect human remedy for this, our system has courts where one's story may be told, and lawyers who advocate both sides.
I personally know too little on this particular case to have an opinion either way, only the allegations and counter-charges aired publicly.
We'll see how it all plays out in civil court.
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Posted by: Beached Whale on Jul 13, 2008 10:35 AM
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I will just add that these types of lawsuits only serve to reinforce the notion that minorities just won't "play ball". I hope for everyone's sake that Ms. Grant has recorded instances of abuse and has ready access to written evidence of that nature. In this day and age, only the thickest planks are overtly racist/homophobic/misogynistic/etc., and so would be unlikely to cover their tracks effectively. If all she can muster, however, are allegations, then I would not be inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted by: movieluddite on Jul 13, 2008 3:19 PM
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Most of the comments boil down to, "NASCAR uses too much gas, so that makes it worthless right there," "NASCAR fans are Not Our Kind Of People," and "They're scum because of who they are, throw 'em all under the bus!"
Seems some folks have a need to look down their noses at someone else. Lawsuit or no lawsuit.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 13, 2008 5:45 PM
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the World would be better off.
NASCAR: IS THERE ANYTHING MORE USELESS, MIND-NUMBING & DESTRUCTIVE THAT DOESN'T COME FROM the MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX?
NASCAR: entertainment for the inbred.
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Posted by: Stoney 12+1 on Jul 14, 2008 6:05 PM
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Drag racing has ALWAYS opened our ranks to women and people of color.
In the little town of Greer South Carolina where we race at the Greer Drag Way, you'll find all sorts of people in the stands, pits, and staging lanes! Black folks, Latino Folks, Women Folks, and all sorts of folks are out there every week, and the sport is better for it!
I've had many different colored hands under the hood of the old Mustang, and my hands have been under more than a few myself!
This might turn out to be a blessing in disguise for NASCAR. It did a world of good for NHRA.
When Shirley Muldowney pulled up to the staging lanes in her first top fuel car, Don Garlits, and Connie Kalita stood up for her, and signed her competitors license!! This wasn't an act of chivalry or deference! SHE EARNED IT!!!! These guys are going to be driving a race car right next to her at 250 miles an hour. They don't put their names to something like that, unless they've given it some SERIOUS thought!
If you've earned it, GO GET IT!!! You've EARNED IT!! It's YOURS!!! Stand up, and you'll find people in that organization that are willing to stand with you, if it's worth a shit!
When you earn the respect of your coworkers, or competitors, you are NEVER going to stand alone! And if you do, then that organization isn't worthy of your respect! Separate yourself from it, and don't look back!
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Posted by: Thetorganization on Jul 15, 2008 10:40 AM
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Posted by: xmvince on Jul 16, 2008 10:35 AM
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The "racist" comments sounded mostly like jokes, not directed to offend, but maybe to lighten the situation as I doubt many of the Nascar officials feel comfortable around minorities (although that clown probably shouldn't have been talking about the KKK). She does not deserve anywhere close to $225 mil, maybe 1 or 2 mil, but it sounds more like she is just looking for a way to get more money. Nascar is a waste of oil and if they don't acknowledge this waste and try to fix it, then they will destroy themselves anyway most likely, but for now I am on Nascars side for this one as it seems all the racial comments were pretty light, and there was no physical abuse going on so all in all if her feelings were hurt, and she really wants all that money, then she is a weak person. Maybe a more reasonable thing would be for her to get her job back and then report racist remarks and have her clean up Nascar herself instead of stealing $225 mil from them.
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