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Why Obscenity Laws Must Be Fought

By Monica Shores, $pread Magazine. Posted July 10, 2008.


What's defined as healthy sexuality in this country is narrowly defined and schizophrenic -- and the government should not have final say.

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Last week, just after writing an article praising the adult industry for supporting a Max Hardcore, a man that largely disgusts them, I came across a drawn image of a naked girl pinned to a wall by knives, including one that was wedged between her legs. There was blood at at every point of contact. I couldn't imagine what type of person would want to post this on their personal blog (which was where I encountered it) and, in a clear case of poor judgment, I followed the link back to where it the image was found.

Of course, the images I found were more graphic than the original. They mainly involved extreme violence inflicted on naked girls. There was also a forum for discussion where members wrote about the types of violence that aroused them. (Not violence they enjoyed doing to others, but violence they thought about, and did not necessarily enjoy thinking about.) One particular post outlined a consensually violent scenario that the author and his girlfriend wanted to undertake. This was not a scenario that involved flogging or knife play, or breath play, or piercing. It was a scenario that involved amputation.

The people posting there seemed sincere and even vulnerable. They recommended that new visitors not look at the images. (Occasionally, they seemed to regret the fact that they themselves were drawn to do so.) They recalled being aroused by violence -- just violence, not violence in a sexual context -- as children. They weren't celebrating this condition; they were seeking advice and understanding in a community where they felt safe.

I'm not a total neophyte when it comes to ero-guro; I've seen In the Realm of the Senses, which features actual people. And let me emphasize that all of what I saw was unmistakably drawn. It wasn't even CGI. It was cartoons, but they devastated me. I felt like someone had upended a garbage can in my brain. I was a zombie for hours afterwards. But when I finally started waking up from my shock-coma, I realized that even though the images and ideas there repulsed me, there were no grounds on which I could support them being illegal. In fact, aside from the obvious side effects of making me a total hypocrite and setting a precedent to threaten my own speech, eliminating that forum would be a profoundly unwise thing to do. Was the man who wants his girlfriend to sever a part of his body going to be somehow healthier if he doesn't talk about that impulse? Right. Just ignore the desire to hack off a limb. Never talk about it again, and I'm sure it will go away. Or maybe go see a therapist. You have the time and money to regularly see a therapist, don't you? Sure you do. Everyone with weird impulses does.

Whenever certain content is particularly challenging to me, I remind myself of a line I read years ago in Nadine Strossen's Defending Pornography, which I remember as: "The answer to speech you don't like is always more speech." More speech, not less. Speech you don't like is an opportunity to create speech that you do like, particularly speech that replaces confusion with clarity, or speech that replaces lies with truth.

So this brings me to Barry McDonald, the law professor debating John Stagliano in the LA Times on the the issue of obscenity laws. According to McDonald, people are "harmed" by the existence of obscene materials even if people are not harmed in the creation of said materials. He goes on to helpfully clarify "I'm not a psychologist or sociologist, but it seems to me that viewing them to obtain sexual pleasure cannot be the healthiest way of experiencing sex." Perhaps it hasn't occurred to non-sex-expert Dr. McDonald that some of us, dare I say most of us, might have the capacity to enjoy "obscene" things in the context of a healthy sex life. It clearly hasn't occurred to him that we don't all have cookie-cutter sexualities, and that some of us might be born with a mind that will never adhere to society's dictates of what is arousing and what is not. As John Stagliano responds, referring to his company's pornography, "[t]o me, the pleasure I get from viewing such material is simply a wonderful expression of my biological nature." If a child is watching zombie movies -- government approved, standard horror movie fare -- and feeling some kind of sexual charge, as was described on the guro board, that child may not be in for a life of what society deems "healthy" sexuality.


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Thought crime
Posted by: Crazy H on Jul 10, 2008 5:50 PM   
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It's scary. I agree with the author - such pictures disgust me, but how can we justify prosecuting someone for *thinking* something, or drawing pictures that you or I might not want to look at?

There have been a couple of rulings lately against fake kiddie porn. Not pictures of actual children mind you, but CGI or actors or photoshopped images. I thought we had the right to face our accuser ... what, are they going to bring an anime to court?

Romeo & Juliet were under the age of consent, does that make Shaky Bill a pedophile? How about anyone who acts in a modern presentation? Hell, my parents have that old picture of me at age two, buck nekkid on a bear skin rug. Does that make them pedos?

If someone takes a knife to a real woman, or rapes a real child - castrate the scumbag, no problem, but from where I sit, it's "No harm, no foul."

(okay, the amputation fantasy weirds me out - but still, if they're both consenting adults, who are we to stop them?)

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Great Article
Posted by: curiousdwk on Jul 12, 2008 5:44 AM   
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This is a great article. It is great because it is very objective. While it deals with emotional issues, it does not respond to those issues emotionally but rationally.

He is so right that the problems of people should be more talk, more discussion, and especially more dialogue. Dialogue where the true conversation goes both ways. We need less talk that only goes one way which is the way of the consor - this is the way it is, so shut up about it already.

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reframe the discussion
Posted by: talkingrrl on Jul 12, 2008 5:46 PM   
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America is very immature about sex and most people have very little knowledge about sexuality.Everyone has a complete meltdown anytime issues around sex get raised. That being said:
The issue isn't about sex, porn or free speech..
IT"S ABOUT VIOLENCE. Whose free speech is protected when real women are used to pose for pictures that blend violence and sex ??? Serial rapists and serial killers all most always have huge collections of very violent porn. As a mature adult nation could we defend freedom of speech and at the same time ban violent porn?
This country has a serious problem with violence against women. Domestic violence and rape are common female experiences in America. Would banning violent porn help reduce violence against women? Other countries have freedom of speech but have banned hate speech and certainly
violent porn is a form of hate.
Ultimately no one seems to want to address our addiction to a culture of violence and how that addiction is protected and perpetuated. Everyone
gets hung up on focusing the discuss on sexual freedom and not the damage of sexual violence.

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What?!!
Posted by: Holla on Jul 12, 2008 8:46 PM   
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Ok this coming from the verrrry SAME people who have 1,000 articles whining like c-r-a-z-y every fucking time a rapper looks cock-eyed at a woman but NOW obscenity is to be protected under 'free speech'?!! More racist hypocrite bullshit from the selectively moral 'holier thans' at alternuts!

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Wanna talk about free speech?
Posted by: rickiey on Jul 14, 2008 5:08 PM   
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Ok, lets start, eh?

Try being white and saying the "N" word, and then telling me we have free speech in America.

Oh, wait, that's a hate crime, isn't it?

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» RE: Wanna talk about free speech? Posted by: ASU_Mountaineer