The number of bush's crimes. Do you think my power failure was a black op? I was looking forward to seeing the show, and writing to all the senators. Instead I saw that my neighbors had power and I did not.

Turley (my hero) says, "It is going to hurt."

Rachel answers, "Gut wrenching."

They are right. What happens to us when they turn off our switches? It is easy for them to do. I think the public interest should prevail, but I'm old fashioned.

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When I heard that the House capitulated on this matter a few weeks ago, I called Mark Udall's office and told the diaperling who answered the phone that I was REALLY FURIOUS and that I was done supporting the Democrats. (The dipshit actually feigned shock that I would place such a high priority on this issue... "But what about all of the other important issues?" Just like Habeus Corpus? How about THAT one, you pathetic pandering child? THAT one didn't seem important enough to the Democrats to protect, either. It's only the MOST FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT FUCKING PRINCIPLE supporting democratic governance known to man! ASSHOLE!) There is no excuse for them to have caved in this fashion, granting George Bush just about the only goddamned thing he's been asking for for the last year and a half, at least.

I am disappointed in Obama. His words on this subject are pathetic. I will not be voting for him, come November. (No, I will certainly not be voting for McBush, either.)

I will not support any Democrat that had anything to do with this capitulation. I will probably never again register as a Democrat.

I think that everyone that had anything to do with this capitulation or with the perpetration of the crimes themselves should be removed from office and summarily executed. They're traitors. Every last one of them that failed on this matter. And any that failed on the Habeus Corpus matter as well have clearly indicated that they don't even deserve the courtesy of a trial.

Lying Stealing Criminal Shit-Bag Republicans.
Spineless Collaborating Democrats.

FUCK THEM ALL! I'm fucking done.

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With few exceptions, the Wormhole Congress and Senate don't deserve the cloth on their oak chairs.

Those billions in excessive oil profits are likely greasing their palms.

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Well, as of now, the mild and common-sense amendments to reign in total immunity, if not to abolish it all together, went down, AS WE ALL KNEW THEY WOULD.
Final passage of this law, like passage of a turd from the rectum of the US Senate, is now certain.

I say, boycott AT$T, Verizon, and all the rest who collaborated with the literal fascists. They have a monopoly in your area? I say, SO WHAT!? If you don't boycott them, then YOU PERSONALLY are as guilty and as responsible for Big Telecom's behavior as the traitorous Senators who can't stop giving the president ANYTHING he wants. You don't REALLY need long distance service or a cell-phone! Come on, people!

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Can someone please tell me - assuming someone knows - WHY the dems caved on this? I've yet to see a reasonable explanation.

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Well, the Senate has voted to give Bush and his fellow criminals ALL they desire in regards to domestic spying. Not only will there be immunity for Big Telecom and no investigations, but Bush's spying powers (against BOTH foreign citizens and US citizens) have been greatly expanded.

It's over.
There is no appeal.

Even a common-sense amendment (to not allow immunity ONLY IF the spying is found to be unconstitutional) failed (with my "Democrat" senator Salazar voting against the amendment -- coward and traitor!).

Of course, Senator Obama voted for the final bill. (Curiously, John McCain didn't show for the vote, although he says he supports the bill. Hillary, bless her heart, voted against the bill....THAT was a shock to me.)

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I finally feel no more obligation to vote for Democrats.

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Daniel Ellsberg on warrantless wiretapping bill

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So, as I sit and watch C-SPAN 2 play out the Senate votes on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments Act of 2008 {H.R. 6304} it occurs to me that that the world will not end tomorrow because this unconstitutional legislation has passed… But all in all it’s a sad day!

As a result of these actions today; Americans are less free from intrusive invasion of their Privacy by our Executive branch of government, our Constitution has been yet further weakened, numerous members of Congress have forgone their Oaths of Office to support and protect our Constitution, and the illegal and/or criminal actions of those individuals responsible will most likely go uninvestigated, undiscovered, and most importantly -- will not be adjudicated and will go unpunished.

It occurs to me that one sensible course of action would be to work together in a coalition of people, regardless of political affiliation, to unseat and replace those members of Congress who have deliberately broken their sworn pledge to; “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…” with ones that actually can keep that promise to the American people…

Just to be clear here, I am saying that the members of Congress who made the decision to value their political contributions from telecommunication companies (over $6,249,940 in 2008 so far) more than their duty and sworn Oath to support and defend the Constitution and effectively sanction the disappearance of crimes against the Constitution and American citizens must go! We must see that they are unelected and replaced.

We already know how exactly the House of Representatives vote went down: [ http://www.maplight.org/FISA_June08 ]. And today we are seeing the same results in the U.S. Senate.

If you need further justification of this, go to the C-SPAN Archives and watch Senator Jay Rockefeller -- Democrat from West Virginia who has taken tens of thousands of dollars of telecommunication companies’ money debate Senator Arlen Specter -- Republican from Pennsylvania on this legislation. How ironic is it to see a Republican debate a Democrat about our ability to redress illegal and/or criminal acts by the Bush administration which has said that it is above the law!

Now before you attempt to couch this as just an argument over national security and terrorism, it would behoove to educate yourself to exactly what the FISA Compromise legislation does and why it is unconstitutional.

First, it is a legislative attempt by Congress (the Legislative Branch of our government) to determine an outcome in specific judicial proceedings before a Court of Law (the Judicial Branch of our government) and thus violates the Separation of Powers set up by the founding fathers in our Constitution. These are the Title 2 effective immunity provisions which apply to telecommunication companies for violations of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution and extend in timeframe to include illegal and/or criminal activities before the attacks on 9-11.

Do not get confused by the political spin on these immunity provisions. The test is if the Court gets to rule on whether the law was broken and/or if it’s unconstitutional… If the court is legislatively prevented from adjudicating those matters of law, it's effectively immunity because discovery of evidence will not take place, standing for the basis of any lawsuit will not be established, and any lawsuit will be summarily dismissed under the procedural provisions of this legislation.

In other words we will never know the who, what, where, when, and how of the illegal and/or criminal activities that have taken place -- a cover-up and the disappearance of crimes…

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Second, the FISA Compromise legislation vastly expands the Executive Branch of our government (the President’s) ability to collect information and all types of data on American citizens. It weakens and guts one of the most important protections of our Liberty and Freedom from warrantless and/or unreasonable searches and seizures. Specifically the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution states;

“ The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Third, the current FISA law of 1978 does NOT prevent the Executive Branch of our government from conducting surveillance programs of terrorists and/or other persons believed to post threats to the United States and/or its citizens. Quite simply the requirements to get a Warrant, as required by the Constitution (even after the fact in time critical cases as allowed under the 1978 FISA law), was not good enough for the Bush administration which chose to break the law instead and conceal the illegal program from members of Congress and the public.

This is the law that is legally in effect now and will continue to be in effect until it is amended by the President’s signing of the current 2008 FISA legislation. Not passing the 2008 Amendments to FISA would NOT result in the current law expiring.

For more information see:

Open Secrets -- a nonpartisan guide to money’s influence on U.S. elections and public policy:
[ http://www.opensecrets.org/index.php ]

MAPLight -- Money And Politics: Illuminating The Connection:
[ http://www.maplight.org/ ]

Electronic Frontier Foundation -- How To: Analyze Immunity Provisions in FISA Legislation:
[ http://www.eff.org/]

American Civil Liberties Union -- Letter to Senate Members Urging Opposition to H.R. 6304, the FISA Amendments Act:
[ http://www.aclu.org/ ]

The Library of Congress, THOMAS -- H.R. 6304:
[ http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.06304: ]

Video -- Whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg on FISA:
[ http://www.eff.org/]

Final House of Representatives Vote Results for Roll Call 437 on H.R. 6304:
[ http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll437.xml ]

Final Senate Vote Results for Roll Call 164 on Senate Amendment 5064: To strike Title II to H.R. 6304: FISA Amendments Act of 2008:
[ http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2008-164 ]

Final Senate Vote Results for Roll Call 165 on Senate Amendment 5059: To limit retroactive immunity to H.R. 6304: FISA Amendments Act of 2008:
[ http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2008-165 ]

Final Senate Vote Results for Roll Call 166 on Senate Amendment 5066: To stay pending cases against certain telecommunications companies to H.R. 6304: FISA Amendments Act of 2008:
[ http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2008-166 ]

Final Senate Vote Results for Roll Call 167 on Cloture Motion: To proceed with the final vote on H.R. 6304: FISA Amendments Act of 2008:
[ http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2008-167 ]

Final Senate Vote Results for Roll Call 168 on H.R. 6304: FISA Amendments Act of 2008:
[ http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2008-168 ]

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To let bush get his way again when the democrats are the majority is truly mind boggling.
My disgust is beyond comprehension.
At least I prepared myself to be let down this time. I don't think I can stomach the spin that is going to be coming from my spineless representatives.
What a bunch of losers.

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Vote Green, Libertarian, what have you.

F%cK the DemocRATS

Useless Pos!!

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I'm from MO, one Repug and one Demo Senator, both spineless. Bond is a shill with years of experience, McCaskill has no guts and should join Lieberman. I called McCaskill's office and they would never tell me how she was going to vote, gutless staff too.
It is a humiliation to have to call these two nothings my Senators, they aren't mine, they both belong to Bush.

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... as much as they are looking after their own interests, both monetary and political.

Great contributions there, from the telecom companies. Think citizens could match them?

Nice also for the Dems to know that their 'man' in the White House will also have increased powers. The corporations will contribute more to members of the party in power - or at least the ones that 'play nicely.'

Why does anyone still believe that the Democratic party is the 'party of the people'? The Republicans and Democrats are behaving more and more like two branches of the same party.

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As i watched the oberman program tonight i wss confused.. even as the vote was in, i heard a senator, who voted against it, while obama i guess voted for it, say that once obama is elected president he would then change and "fight the good fight" and proceed to change or redress the bill he just voted for..???? am i nuts or is this from another planet in a language that almost sounds english.. and madox sitting there like a big dummy "the emperor is wearing no clothes" mentality.. just lets it pass and i guess just thinks thats fine... as she did not underscore that he just voted for it.. why would he after being elected vote against it...and mr senator why would you support for president someone who YOU JUST SAID threw away the constitution to the extent that it may be the biggest gutting of it to date in our history.... but never mind just vote for obama AMYWAY and all will be well.. just trust us.. sounds like english but nay, it can't be.. DO NOT VOTE DEMOCATIC IT IS TIME FOR CHANGE. .. thats a given but i have already long before this latest insanity, quit supporting democrats.. the question is how do i get everyone else not to vote democratic so that the liberals that are left will split from the party and start anew...

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What about all the Republican Senators that voted the same way? Are they not blameworthy as well?

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Our senators voted as expected: Bingaman, Dem - No. Domenici, Repub-Yes. I'm going to e-mail Sen. Bingaman & thank him. Domenici is retiring after this term & I pray a Dem will replace him.
I, too, am upset over this fiasco but I cannot, in good conscience, not continue to vote for Dems. The results of not voting for them are too serious-Rethugs in power. Get Obama in office & a Dem super-majority & things like this FISA bill can be repaired.

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This just fuels future riots by the masses. "Impeachment off the table" FTW. Things are just on the threshold of becoming all out anarchy. No jobs, inflation, no homes, no infrastructure, dying dollar. Now that chemtrail spraying all makes sense, they are culling the herd.

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My phone calls are really boring.

I do not believe for one minute that they want to listen to our phone calls so they can catch "terrorists."

They frame the debate like that so they can make their nefarious behavior seem righteous, but that can not possibly be their real motivation.

So what is?

Greg Palast indicated they wanted the info to better steal elections. Maybe. That makes more sense than catching terrorists.

Unless, of course, they are now defining "terrorists" as anyone who supports the ACLU or MoveOn.org.

Put all the gays, atheists and liberals in the gulags. Now that's a right-winger's wet dream!


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