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Hitchens Gets Waterboarded, Withdraws from Iraq in 11 Seconds

By John Dolan, AlterNet. Posted July 2, 2008.


Warmongerer and neocon Christopher Hitchens just noticed that waterboarding is torture!
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Stop the presses! Christopher Hitchens just noticed that waterboarding is torture!

Hitchens announced the news like he'd brought it down from Mount Sinai, in a Vanity Fair article. "Believe me," he told a waiting nation, "it's torture." Well, yeah. It usually is, when it happens to you. When it happens to somebody else, it's "extreme interrogation." I thought everybody over the age of 5 knew that, but as usual, I misoverestimated the media. Hitchens' tame little torture session is the biggest S&M video on the web since "9½ Weeks."

Hitchens' video is totally fake -- there's even soft-rock background music playing on the video, better music than you usually get at the dentist's office, and his "interrogators" treat him more like a client getting a mud pack at a spa than a real suspect in Iraq. That makes it even more disgusting that Hitch caved in after only 11 seconds of having water poured over a towel on his face. Eleven seconds! Think about the timeline here: For five long years he supported this stuff when it was happening to other people. Once it happened to him, he needed exactly 11 seconds to see the light.

Of course if Hitchens had been a real Iraqi suspect, they'd never have had to waterboard him at all. They do that to tough suspects, not wimps like him. In a real torture cell, everything would be a lot tougher from the start. For example, Chris wouldn't be in the nice dress shirt and slacks he's wearing on the video. He'd be naked -- a gross image, what a lifetime of booze and lying does to the body, but we have to be hard-nosed here -- because keeping the prisoner naked is basic interrogation strategy, especially with a culture as horrified of gettin' nekkid as Arabs are. You'll recall that in those Abu Ghraib pictures, the prisoners were naked.

So that's fake already, and the video gets faker as it goes. The guys "interrogating" him are fat, middle-aged, mild-mannered dudes. They don't even yell at him. A real suspect in Iraq would be snatched off the street, smacked around until he passes out, stripped and dumped into a cell with a hood over his head. He wouldn't be able to sleep off his misery, either, because sleep deprivation is one of the oldest, most effective tortures. The interrogators would maintain this schedule for hours, days, weeks, depending on how well and how soon the victim breaks down. When they think he's ready -- like, they notice with satisfaction that he screams like a steam whistle every time he hears footsteps in the corridor -- they drag him out of his cell and strap him onto that waterboarding table.

Well, Chris is a busy man and didn't have time for all that background research, so what you see in this video is a guy who hasn't been so much as slapped or yelled at. Who probably just finished a 10-martini lunch at some upscale restaurant. That's ridiculous enough, but the interrogators make it even more ridiculous with their little introduction to the torture session. One guy says, "All right, listen up, I'm going to give you some instructions ..." Then he tells the fat man on the table, "We're going to place metal objects in each of your hands," and if he feels "unbearable stress" at any time, all he has to do is drop the objects and they'll stop.

I've had dentists who did root canals on me without being that nice; they stuck to "this is going to hurt." More to the point here, putting the victim in "unbearable stress" is, uh, the whole point of torture, or "extreme interrogation," or whatever you want to call it. The last thing you'd ever do is give the victim a sense of power, like he can stop the process by dropping a "metal object" on the floor.

That kind of etiquette is what you get from those expensive dominatrixes English dudes like to get whipped by, or those nerf BDSM sites that talk about "consensual power exchanges." What reminded me most of those BDSM sites is the "code word" they tell Hitchens he can use to stop the waterboarding: "That word is red, R-E-D." They ask him if he understands and he says, "Yes, sir." That "sir" only added to the ridiculous porn feel here, like Hitchens was paying a hundred pounds an hour to have Baron Whipsong or Lady Cruella, whichever way he likes it, wear out their riding crop on his eager little bum.


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John Dolan is an editor of the Moscow-based English-language alternative paper The eXile. He is the author of, most recently, Pleasant Hell (Capricorn, 2005).

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Christopher Hitchens now knows what any seven-year-old would have told him.
Posted by: Longdream on Jul 2, 2008 6:53 PM   
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Had he asked.

And he had to grandstand, because any drivel that he writes is all about he, himself and him, as the centerpiece of our attention as he tells us what's up.

The number's been up on his self-aggrandizing crap for quite a while now.

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» Dolan rants Posted by: Richard House
» Troll Posted by: chuckjs
» RE: Troll Posted by: Richard House
Dumbest piece that I have seen all week
Posted by: robgo2b on Jul 2, 2008 8:29 PM   
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I am unaware that Hitchens has ever endorsed waterboarding or any other form of torture as an interrogation technique. If you have evidence of such, please let the rest of us in on it. In addition, although Hitchens has consistently supported the war in Iraq, he is not a neoconservative. If one wants to place him in a category, it would be "liberal hawk." In either case, he made a monstrous error in judgement, and he will have to live with that. For the author of this snide piece of drivel, please strive for a minimal level of accuracy and relevance.

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» RE: Dumbest piece that I have seen all week Posted by: christianslayer1955
» Christoffer Hitchens is a reformed communist Posted by: Libertarian Paternalist
» lot of assumptions Posted by: Richard House
» RE: What's Wrong With Assumptions? Posted by: BigElectricCat
» RE: lot of assumptions Posted by: Quannah
» RE: lot of assumptions Posted by: masthead
» RE: lot of assumptions Posted by: Quannah
Fake Video?
Posted by: Expired on Jul 2, 2008 9:04 PM   
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Oh btw, if the writer really thinks the video is fake...why even continue to write about the rest of it, and what Christopher Hitchens thinks?

You're obviously simply posting complete bullshit in order to smear him either for his stance against religion (more bullshit) and his pro stance on the Iraq war. He simply has good arguments, you however, do not.

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» snicker Posted by: owlbear1
» RE: Fake Video? Posted by: carcinoid112
» RE: Fake Video? Posted by: Expired
At least Christopher Hitchens exposed Mother Teresa for the FRAUD that she was.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 2, 2008 9:21 PM   
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As for Iraq, what do you people expect? Go find yourselves leaders in your districts and states and help them win from ground zero and up. Then, America can finally rid itself of wars for oil that it has been engaged in for the past few decades.

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Watching Pat Buchanan makes me sick, literally
Posted by: Lauren on Jul 3, 2008 4:23 AM   
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His words have 'explained' us into war.

And the uncle Tom agreeing with him today, I used to like that guy. What a creep.

Anyone who would argue FOR the telecoms' immunity (including themselves - how awkward!) is obviously in the tank with the drug dealers like McCain. They don't just deal in drugs, but also in people.

Anyone defending FISA spying is also defending torture and slavery. It makes me very angry to hear that kind of hate speech, especially from a black man.

It is not a harmless thing they were doing or they wouldn't have been doing it against the law, in secret. Use your head man!

"Doing Iran." Wow what a term, we raped Iraq, now we go do her sister. Sick bastards on TV.

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» ?? Posted by: emmas
» RE: ?? Posted by: Lauren
» RE: jumping the shark Posted by: Joni50
» uhh... Posted by: EinMD
» RE: uhh... Posted by: Lauren
» RE: uhh... Posted by: lovercat2942
OMG
Posted by: hester on Jul 3, 2008 4:39 AM   
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/ ...stan.terrorism2

Hitchens wrote an article in 11/01 quite clearly stating his opposition to torture. John Dolan is blinded by his ideology.

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» RE: OMG Posted by: Erik1968
» RE: OMG Posted by: carcinoid112
» RE: OMG Posted by: Expired
» RE: OMG Posted by: mkdelta69
Why all the personal attacks?
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Jul 3, 2008 4:47 AM   
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I'm against waterboarding, and I don't agree with Christopher Hitchens on much of anything. But this is one of the most disgusting articles I can recall reading on a progressive website.

I am looking forward to reading Hitchens' article, which I expect to contain a lot more insight than this one.

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» RE: Why all the personal attacks? Posted by: nolafugees
Executive Waterboarding
Posted by: eksommer on Jul 3, 2008 4:56 AM   
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Perhaps someone should waterboard members of the U.S. government executive branch and a few members of Congress. Maybe that would be an expedient way to end the violence this administration has fostered.

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» RE: xecutive Waterboarding Posted by: Turiye
» RE: xecutive Waterboarding Posted by: Lauren
» RE: xecutive Waterboarding Posted by: justAnEgg
» RE: xecutive Waterboarding Posted by: Lauren
» RE: xecutive Waterboarding Posted by: lovercat2942
» RE: xecutive Waterboarding Posted by: Quannah
Is this the Hitchen's fan club or is this article really about Torture, Stay on topic...
Posted by: Turiye on Jul 3, 2008 5:17 AM   
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....80% of the first posters could give a damn about TORTURE which is the subject. Let's give that a thought. Selfish bunch of people.
We kidnap and TORTURE people now, we F$$ked every Article of the Constitution, 2 Rights that the Murderer hasn't declared gone sight unseen, 2 and 10. We have children, women and mentally impaired at GITMO, we added to their plight by TORTURING them, burying them alive and the ones left I can assure you suffer from every mental disease known to mankind by now, PTSD, Stockholm Syndrome, Psychosis of all names and we've made them great Terrorists by now. [which they weren't before] Man the lot of you are so self-absorbed all you've ranted about is poor Hitchen's, Torture is the problem, I could give two shits @ Hitchen's.

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» RE: Yelling and Bolding? Posted by: Longdream
Thank You Mr. John Dolan
Posted by: lively56 on Jul 3, 2008 5:19 AM   
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Christopher Hitchens lost his credability a long time ago, when he started being a lapdog for these fascist pigs we have in our Gov't..

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» Thank You Mr. John Dolan Posted by: Cathyc
Puerile Polemic
Posted by: nolafugees on Jul 3, 2008 5:49 AM   
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Sure, Hitchens may smell like scotch when he's getting mock-drowned, but Dolan's article wouldn't pass the op-ed column of a university paper.

Where's the links to articles in which Hitch advocates waterboarding, or other nefarious and disgusting, undemocratic tortures?

As far as I've read, Hitchens has never advocated torture, and in fact one of the primary reasons for his initial support of the war in Iraq was the continued human rights violations of the Hussein regime.

Hitchens sees himself in the tradition of Orwell, an individual who's youth was spent far to the Left, so far to the Left it becomes the Right. Hitchens has advocated the toppling of dictators for the whole of his career, has written resolutely against totalitarianism and fascism (to the extent that he even uses the terms- something the current popular Left runs from); he's come out solidly critical of Conservative deities (Thatcher, Reagan, Kissinger, Pinochet, Churchill) and advocated a harder, more clear eyed Left response than Dolan's mealy, millenial liberalism.

Sadly, this article stinks of an audition for the Huffington Post; as journalists, ad hominem attacks do not become us, but they are fun, and provide the opportunity for young, internet teens to slay that most deadly of beasts: our fathers.

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» RE: Puerile Polemic Posted by: EinMD
» RE: Puerile Polemic Posted by: nolafugees
» RE: Puerile Polemic Posted by: BigElectricCat
Of course it's fake you douchebag!
Posted by: EinMD on Jul 3, 2008 5:53 AM   
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He PAID those guys to show him what the technique entailed so that he could at least have an idea what the people who go through it for real are thinking and feeling.

Which is more than you can say for all the people who advocated the use of this technique against real targets.

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trolling for trolls
Posted by: Quasar on Jul 3, 2008 6:23 AM   
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I am surprised that Dolan did not at least catch a sadistic buzz from seeing Hitchens' near death experience. Give the man a break for making your day a little brighter.

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The Trolls Are Here Already.
Posted by: Longdream on Jul 3, 2008 6:42 AM   
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Even for this insignificant story.

Do yourself a favor--don't debate with them, just let them bore each other to death.

Want to know who they are?

They'll be the ones ranting their outrage in response to this comment.

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What do you mean, "fake"?
Posted by: eirikr on Jul 3, 2008 7:17 AM   
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I agree with most of the comments so far. First of all, you have to give Hitchens credit for actually going through with this at all, under any conditions. Let's see William Kristol, Bill O'Reilly, Michelle Malkin, Jonah Goldberg, or any other chicken hawk from the right lie down on the table and see if waterboarding is torture. Mr. Dolan is invited to reveal how much waterboarding he has experienced first hand as well.

The points about the difference between this experiment and the actual torture that occurs in the field are valid, but they don't detract from what Hitchens has done.

How can you be against torture, and at the same time call Hitchens a wimp and this experiment a sham because it just wasn't cruel enough?

This is a ridiculous article, stick to topics you know something about: coked out rock stars and fake memoirs.

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Tell Us, Please, Mr. Atheist Hitchens, Why Torture Is Wrong If There Is No God...
Posted by: OnlyJesusSaves on Jul 3, 2008 7:22 AM   
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Wonderful! Excellent! Now, all Hitchens needs to do is tell us why -- as an atheist -- he thinks "torture" is wrong! -- which, as an "atheist," he cannot do -- because, if there is no God, The God of the Bible, and evolution is true, there is no such thing as "right" or "wrong" since we're all just an accidental pile of atoms and molecules. Then, again, Hitchens may be revealing that he is a closet-Christian.

John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com

Recovering Republican

JLof@aol.com

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» Baloney, sir.... Posted by: morticia
let Christopher Hitchens respond
Posted by: ozonehole on Jul 3, 2008 7:35 AM   
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I'm appalled by the number of posters attacking Mr. Dolan. His article makes a very valid point - real torture is vastly worse than the mild roughing up that Christopher Hitchens experienced in his video. And real torture is what we've been doing for years in Guantanamo, Iraq, Afghanistan, and in various secret prisons around the globe. Furthermore, neocons like Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham have been telling us that waterboarding is nothing worse than a college prank, like a fratboy hazing.

All that having been said, in the interests of responsible journalism it would be nice if Alternet would invite Christopher Hitchens to respond. That would be "fair and balanced."

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» RE: Hitchens respond?? Posted by: Longdream
» RE: Hitchens respond?? Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Hitchens respond?? Posted by: Lauren
» What Constitution? Posted by: Cathyc
You're a very good writer and you're spot on about Hitchens
Posted by: coldmoon on Jul 3, 2008 7:39 AM   
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I didn't read all of the comments because I got tired of the Hitchen-lovers and trolls, so I don't know if anyone else has pointed out how vivid, smart, and funny your writing is. I'm going to buy your book.

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I support torture-for the likes of christopher Hitichins like british parasites.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Jul 3, 2008 7:45 AM   
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BBC comment(atleast her washingtons correspondent's comments) on scooter LibBy's gulity verdit on 6th march,2007--"it does not matter to white house as long as iraq war turns out to be all right"!! for BBc illegal occupation of iraq and killing of million civilians does not matter -it will be al r ight for american occupation. This is human rights and democracy ala BBc and british propaganda.
see and watch todays bbc and realize how much bbc and other british propaganda machinary is responsible for bush war crimes.
He also assuredly told that this "white house is quite safe"as wished for by the british ofocurse. during gore-bush florida tussle bbc was advocating gore to leave bush alone as britian was waiting for american missile defence to come her shore soon and so no delay in small matter of who should be presidentof usa be allowed.d-bit belicve it? look at all british propaganda between 1st novembr till 20th novembr of 2000.
it is high time that engish spies in american establishment be eliminated..

it is high time that these english spies in usa are taken care of .

also during and after the gulf war(first iraq war) the british were taking full creidit for insitagating bush 1 to start and persue war agasint iraq. the reason war criminal blair diidnto take full creidt for iraq war 2 was because that went sour(failure has no fathers claming thiers). itis a fact that merciless war done by america has benen perpetauted by the british agents inside america( and not some indepdnet israli agents as claimed-it jsut so happend that only know israli interest happend to coinside with those of english parasites -that is why war on and for behalf of england is being waged by america the world over.
By the way in IN '88 when Dalai lama, at the height of Tibetan disturbances, visited west, the then british prime minister refused to meet Him. Later on with the demise of Russia and usefulness of China gone and with manipulation to keep power in Hong Kong somehow intact, the same british media and government ,like dog, started barking at China. It is interesting that amnesty international selectively targets those very countries( as it did china after cold war) who are out of favour (because they would not be a british stooge) of the british media and govt. This is not surprising as amnesty international is the creation of british govt, and british media. england with the most appalling record of human rights in last 200 years of her evil rule, needed some organisation to keep the others from charging england off her past and current evil practices. In other words it went for aggressive posture in propaganda war so that others can be demoralized and stopped from pointing out the real evil which is england. That is why amnesty international is one armour of the british lies to exploit the rest of the world. Amnesty international must be ignored and an independent human watchdog (which england will simply ignore) created. One purpose of amnesty international is to create an atmosphere for hatred towards the would be victims of british exploitation so that a victim could be blamed to have deserved the consequences. That is why ,now amnesty international sometimes threatens China, sometimes India and etc.

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Likes of christopher Hitchens msut be briought to justice and killed after torture.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Jul 3, 2008 7:47 AM   
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It is certain, however, that the puzzle cannot be solved unless the London factor is understood. The answers lie in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Liverpool. The old British colonial establishment, with former intelligence officer Bernard Lewis as its mentor, appears to have set in motion a series of events that will bring endless bloodshed to Central Asia. London's objective would appear to be to keep both China and Russia under an open-ended threat. At this point, there is no one who can better serve this "Lewis Doctrine" than Muslims nurtured in Britain - the Hizbut-Tehrir (HT). . . .

Apart from various Islamic preachers, two major Islamic groups function in the Ferghana Valley, whose common objective is to change the regimes in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan. These are the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) and the HT. While the IMU openly thrives on violence, the HT is strongly promoted by the United Kingdom, where it is headquartered, as peaceful. But records indicate that that the IMU and the HT work hand-in-hand. Most of the IMU recruits are from the HT, according to Rohan Gunaratna, an expert on world terrorist outfits. Gunaratna claims that Khaled Sheikh Muhammad, the alleged mastermind of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks in the US, and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian of Chechen origin who has remained active in the Iraqi insurgency against the US occupying forces, were both once members of the HT. . . .

The West's policy - in other words, the policy of the Anglo-Americans, as the European Union does not have a policy worth citing - toward the Middle East has long been formulated by Bernard Lewis. The British-born Lewis started his career as an intelligence officer and has remained in bed with British intelligence ever since. Avowedly anti-Russia and pro-Israel, Lewis reaped a rich harvest among US academia and policymakers. He brought president Jimmy Carter's virulently anti-Russian National Security Council chief, Zbigniew Brzezinski, into his fold in the 1980s, and made the US neo-conservatives, led by Vice President Dick Cheney, dance to his tune on the Middle East in 2001. In between, he penned dozens of books and was taken seriously by people as a historian. But, in fact, Lewis is what he always was: a British intelligence officer. . . .

The recent developments in Uzbekistan have all the hallmarks of the same process. This time the objective is to weaken China, Russia, and possibly India, using the HT to unleash the dogs of war in Central Asia. It is not difficult for those on the ground to see what is happening. The leader of the Islamic Party of Tajikistan, Deputy Prime Minister Hoji Akbar Turajonzoda, has identified HT as a Western-sponsored bogeyman for "remaking Central Asia". . . .

It is not a lack of understanding on the part of American neo-conservatives associated with the Bush administration, but their keenness to use the "Lewis Doctrine" to achieve what they believe is justified that promises untold danger. How important a brains-trust is Lewis to the neo-conservatives? Just read the words of Richard Perle, a leading neo-conservative who remains a close adviser to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: "Bernard Lewis has been the single-most important intellectual influence countering the conventional wisdom on managing the conflict between radical Islam and the West."

So -- we end by coming back round again to Richard Perle, but hopefully in a larger context.

It ain't really about the Middle East, boys and girls -- it's about world domination, by any means necessary. The only question is one of identifying the moves as they happen, instead of many years later."".

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christopher hitchens like english spies be tortured to death-anything less is unjustice.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Jul 3, 2008 7:50 AM   
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http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=13078



July 2, 2008
We, the Salt of the Earth,
Take Precedence
by Paul Craig Roberts

Which country is the rogue nation? Iraq? Iran? Or the United States? Syndicated columnist Charley Reese asks this question in a recently published article.

Reese notes that it is the U.S. that routinely commits "acts of aggression around the globe." The U.S. government has no qualms about dropping bombs on civilians, whether they be in Serbia, the Middle East, or Africa. It is all in a good cause – our cause.

This slaughtering of foreigners doesn't seem to bother the American public. Americans take it for granted that Americans are superior and that American purposes, whatever they be, take precedence over the rights of other people to life and to a political existence independent of American hegemony.

The Bush regime has come up with a preemption doctrine that justifies attacking a country in order to prevent the country from possibly becoming a future threat to the U.S. "Threat" is broadly defined. It appears to mean the ability to withstand the imposition of U.S. hegemony. This insane doctrine justifies attacking China and Russia, a direction in which the Republican presidential candidate John McCain seems to lean.

The callousness of Americans toward the lives of other peoples is stunning. How many Christian churches ask God's forgiveness for having been rushed into an error that has killed, maimed, or displaced a quarter of the Iraqi population?

How many Christian churches ask God to give better guidance to our government so that it does not repeat the error and crime by attacking Iran?

The indifference of Americans to others flows from "American exceptionalism," the belief that Americans are graced with a special mission to impose their virtue on the rest of the world. Like the French revolutionaries, Americans don't seem to care how many people they kill in the process of spreading their exceptionalism.

American exceptionalism has swelled Americans' heads, filling them with hubris and self-righteousness and making Americans believe that they are the salt of the earth.

Three recent books are good antidotes for this unjustified self-esteem. One is Patrick J. Buchanan's Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War. Another is After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation by Giles MacDonogh, and a third is John Pilger's Freedom Next Time.

Buchanan's latest book is by far his best. It is spellbinding from his opening sentence: "All about us we can see clearly now that the West is passing away." As the pages turn, the comfortable myths, produced by history written by the victors, are swept aside. The veil is lifted to reveal the true faces of British and American exceptionalism: stupidity and deceit.

Buchanan's strength is that he lets the story be told by Britain's greatest 20th-century historians and the memoirs of the participants in the events that destroyed the West's dominance and moral character. Buchanan's contribution is to assemble the collective judgment of a hundred historians.

As I read the tale, it is a story of hubris destroying judgment and substituting in its place blunder and miscalculation. Both world wars began when England, for no sound or sensible reason, declared war on Germany. Winston Churchill was a prime instigator of both wars. He seems to have been a person who needed a war stage in order to be a "great man."

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Wow.
Posted by: Kcanadensis on Jul 3, 2008 7:52 AM   
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What a HATEFUL article!
No attention is paid to the fact that this guy had the guts to do this and find out for himself. The writer just just pouring out their hatred for Hitchens. How about some unbiased reporting? This is just juvenile.

Although Hitchens has some pretty questionable views with war, he has other views on the human condition which he has written about and I and many others enjoy thoroughly. I commend him for having the guts to try this, while the writer just goes on and on about his LUNCH that day, etc. What, did you expect him to turn into a convict and get smacked around first? Completely unreasonable.

Hey, why don't you try water boarding hmm? Then write to us about how long you lasted.

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Try it first...
Posted by: RobNLA on Jul 3, 2008 8:27 AM   
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I think any politican or reporter who claims waterboarding should undergo it.

According to some Republicans, it's sorta like frat house hazing right? So let them have a couple beers, lay down and have some fun.

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Single Malt Scotch Boarding..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jul 3, 2008 9:23 AM   
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Christopher might not have minded so much had they used a good single malt scotch..!

Believe me I know..

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I am not sure why Hitchens needed to do this.
Posted by: nightgaunt on Jul 3, 2008 12:35 PM   
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There is plenty of history of this water torture from thousands of years ago. Used by the ancient Chinese, the Inquisition and has been condemned as torture by the Red Cross and the UN. I wonder why the other wasn't filmed though?

I have problems with Hitchens but this wasn't an easy thing to do even with all of the safeguards. So I give credit where it is due---to Christopher Hitchens for this.

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Gonzo journalism
Posted by: outsideagitator on Jul 3, 2008 1:55 PM   
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a la Hunter Thompson. Dolan reminds me of Hunter Thompson when he was at his best back in the day with Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas and Fear and Loathing On The Campaign Trail along with others. It is one way to attack utter obscenity of the Bush administration and the neo-cons that led it and furnished the intellectual tools to justify it.

I really don't know what happened to Hitchens. He was great in exposing the absurdity and often cruelty of organized religions and often a lonely voice out there exposing the emptiness and hypocrisy of so many countries and their political leaders who wrapped themselves in the mantle of one religion or another and presented themselves as great patriots.

I think that Hitch just freaked our for some reason. He seems to be unhinged and a little crazy. After all those years of bashing both religious hypocrisy and fascism how could he not see it at work here in the U.S. Why could he not see what a shallow and duplicitous person George Bush was and is? How is it that he was not immediately alarmed when the right wing Supreme Court handed the presidency over to a coke sniffing, draft dodging, fundamentalist christian fanatic?

I miss the old Hitch but I applaud Dolan's contempt, caustic wit and yes, his anger.

Joseph

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William F. Uckley III
Posted by: JackonFire on Jul 3, 2008 2:15 PM   
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This Hitchens clown makes William F. Uckley look like a bold genius. What a bent-over whore!

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Hitchin' a Ride...
Posted by: JackonFire on Jul 3, 2008 2:17 PM   
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Isn't he just too precious!

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Did prove a point.
Posted by: zuse000 on Jul 3, 2008 2:46 PM   
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Waterboarding is torture. He went through it, if only for eleven seconds. Didn't even have the rough stuff and still thought it was torture. I am glad any neocon came around to that conclusion.
For all of those who poo pooh waterboarding as less than torture, it is at least good to see one of them try it. What did those who are berating him want to see here, including the author, perhaps to see him really tortured?

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Hitchens is responsible for the death of a soldier
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Jul 3, 2008 3:52 PM   
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I can't believe you people criticizing Dolan. This article was great. Hitchens' advocation of the war in Iraq inspired a young man to