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Christian Nation: Bush Moves Big Bucks to Religious Organizations

By Frederick Lane, Beacon Press. Posted July 3, 2008.


Even worse, Bush wants to ensure that faith-based organizations receiving federal funds can discriminate in their hiring on the basis of religion.
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The following is excerpted from The Court and the Cross: The Religious Right's Crusade to Reshape the Supreme Court.

Faith-Based Organizations and Religious Discrimination in Hiring

For the Religious Right, the most significant workplace religion issue over the past decade has been the movement's push to free faith-based organizations (FBOs) from the anti-discrimination provisions of Title VII, while still preserving (and expanding) their access to public funds. Thanks in large part to the movement's political success in Congress and the White House, billions of taxpayer dollars have been funneled to FBOs; even more importantly, FBOs have been freed of the allegedly onerous obligation of nondiscrimination.

When President Clinton issued his executive order on religious expression in the federal workplace, he tried to strike a delicate balance between the protection of federal employee religious rights on the one hand and the prohibition against government establishment of religion on the other. The order repeatedly warned against the appearance of governmental endorsement, and closed with a flat prohibition against establishment: "Supervisors and employees must not engage in activities or expression that a reasonable observer would interpret as government endorsement or denigration of religion or a particular religion."

But Clinton, unfortunately, was not always able to be so careful about the structural integrity of the Jeffersonian wall between church and state; the current feeding frenzy by FBOs can be traced directly to legislation that Clinton had little choice but to accept. In 1996 Congress passed a fiercely debated welfare reform package called the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PRWORA). The legislation was largely the work of the Republican-controlled Congress that took office in 1994 after the so-called Republican Revolution. Under intense public pressure from bombastic House Speaker Newt Gingrich, and in the midst of a re-election battle with Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan., Clinton signed the legislation on Aug. 22, 1996. Among the numerous provisions included in the legislation was the following language:

RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS -- The purpose of this section is to allow states to contract with religious organizations, or to allow religious organizations to accept certificates, vouchers, or other forms of disbursement under any program described in subsection (a)(2), on the same basis as any other nongovernmental provider without impairing the religious character of such organizations, and without diminishing the religious freedom of beneficiaries of assistance funded under such program.
The PRWORA did acknowledge that the Constitution contains an establishment clause and declared that any religious organization operating a program to provide social services must do so in a manner consistent with the First Amendment. To reduce charges of undue government entanglement with religion, the law also specifically stated that neither the federal nor state government can require a participating religious organization to change its structure or "remove religious art, icons, scripture, or other symbols."

The "charitable choice" initiative, as it was called, was the work of Sen. John Ashcroft, R-Mo., who received assistance in drafting the new provision from Steve McFarland, who at the time was serving as director of the Christian Legal Society's Center for Law and Religious Freedom (he was later appointed by President George W. Bush to lead the U.S. Justice Department's Task Force for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives). Despite the provision's virtual upending of the traditional relationship between government and religion, media coverage of charitable choice was remarkably limited and largely lost in the much louder debate about the potential impact of the welfare reform act.

Two years later, as Ashcroft was exploring the possibility of a run for president, he announced that he was planning to expand the charitable choice program "to all federal laws which authorize the government to use nongovernmental entities in providing services to beneficiaries with federal dollars." At a press event at the Bowery Mission Transitional Center in New York City, Ashcroft said that the expansion of his program would allow religious organizations to use "federal funds to provide low-income housing, juvenile crime prevention services, substance abuse prevention and treatment programs, abstinence education, and services for seniors."

A little over a year later, suffering from his own raging case of Potomac fever, Vice President Al Gore threw his support behind Ashcroft's proposal, telling reporters in Atlanta, Ga., that charitable choice should be expanded to include "other vital services where faith-based organizations (FBOs) can play a role, such as drug treatment, homelessness, and youth violence." Also backing the program at the state level was Texas Gov. George W. Bush, who signed an executive order shortly after the charitable choice program was first adopted, ordering "all pertinent executive branch agencies to take all necessary steps to implement the 'charitable choice' provision of the federal welfare law."

Less than a month after taking office as president in 2001, Bush issued an executive order that established the first White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (OFBCI). The purpose of the order, Bush said, was "to help the federal government coordinate a national effort to expand opportunities for faith-based and other community organizations and to strengthen their capacity to better meet social needs in America's communities." The OFBCI builds on Ashcroft's charitable choice program in several ways, and is authorized to:

  • develop, lead, and coordinate the administration's policy agenda affecting faith-based and other community programs and initiatives, expand the role of such efforts in communities, and increase their capacity through executive action, legislation, federal and private funding, and regulatory relief;


  • coordinate public education activities designed to mobilize public support for faith-based and community nonprofit initiatives through volunteerism, special projects, demonstration pilots, and public-private partnerships;


  • provide policy and legal education to state, local, and community policymakers and public officials seeking ways to empower faith-based and other community organizations and to improve the opportunities, capacity, and expertise of such groups;


  • eliminate unnecessary legislative, regulatory, and other bureaucratic barriers that impede effective faith-based and other community efforts to solve social problems.


On the same day that he established the White House OFBCI, President Bush also ordered the creation of similar centers in five federal agencies: the departments of Justice, Education, Labor, Health and Human Services, and Housing and Urban Development. As with the OFBCI, the purpose of the agency centers is to "coordinate department efforts to eliminate regulatory, contracting, and other programmatic obstacles to the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in the provision of social services." Over the course of his administration, President Bush has ordered six other federal departments to create centers for promoting participation by FBOs: the Agency for International Development; the Department of Agriculture; the Department of Commerce; the Department of Homeland Security; the Small Business Administration; and the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Even before he issued his executive order, President Bush proposed legislation that would not only rewrite federal law to make it easier for faith-based organizations to compete for taxpayer funds, but even more remarkably, would allow religious organizations receiving federal funds to discriminate in their hiring on the basis of religion.

Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, religious organizations have always had a limited exemption to discriminate on the basis of religion for religiously oriented positions in their organization (for instance, a Unitarian Church can advertise for and hire only Unitarians to serve as minister). But Title VII's prohibitions against discrimination on other grounds -- race, gender, national orientation, etc. -- still apply, and when filling purely secular positions, the prohibition against religious discrimination must be observed as well. When Congress passed the Job Training Partnership Act in 1982, it permitted religious organizations to participate in the federally funded program only so long as they agreed not to discriminate on the basis of religion when hiring anyone under the program.

Bush and other members of his administration argued that allowing FBOs to discriminate on the basis of religion when hiring would somehow "level the playing field" and make it easier for them to compete for federal funds. The House of Representatives passed Bush's proposal on faith-based hiring, but the measure got tied up in the Senate. Lawmakers across the political spectrum raised concerns about the administration's apparent indifference to the principle of the separation of church and state, a concern that poll results showed was shared by a large percentage of the public. As Representative Barney Frank, D-Mass., inimitably put it, "The notion that you need to allow religious groups to discriminate to receive federal funds is a lie. If you dip your fingers in the federal till, you can't complain if a little democracy rubs off on you."

When it was clear that Congress was not going to pass his faith-based proposal, Bush chose to enact the controversial policy through administrative fiat. On December 12, 2002, the president held a signing ceremony in Philadelphia to celebrate the issuance of an executive order titled "Equal Protection of the Laws for Faith-based and Community Organizations." Included in Bush's order was an affirmative statement that "no organization should be discriminated against on the basis of religion or religious belief in the administration or distribution of federal financial assistance under social service programs." Similarly, the executive order provides that "faith-based organizations should be eligible to compete for federal financial assistance used to support social service programs ... without impairing their independence, autonomy, expression, or religious character."

It was a remarkable reversal of decades of federal policy: Rather than using federal law to prevent discrimination against individuals, the Bush administration announced that its goal was to prevent discrimination against organizations that discriminate. To help achieve that objective, Bush's executive order amended the provisions of a thirty-seven-year-old executive order issued by President Lyndon Johnson designed to implement the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Johnson's order states that any contractor receiving federal funds "will not discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin." Bush added a new section to Johnson's order that states that religious groups not only are exempt from the law's nondiscrimination requirements, but in fact, the secretary of labor has the authority, under undefined "special circumstances," to exempt any government contractor from anti-discrimination regulations.

The Bush administration's enthusiasm for religious-based hiring has even spilled over to recent battles over reauthorization of one of the government's most successful educational programs, the Head Start program, in operation since 1965. During the last two Congresses, Republican leaders proposed similar changes to the Head Start program that would have allowed faith-based providers to discriminate on the basis of religion in their hiring of teachers and other educational staff. The measures never came up for a vote, however, and when Democrats retook control of Congress in 2006, the House defeated efforts to send a new reauthorization bill back to committee to continue debating the issue.

The Unchallengeable Financial Windfall for Faith-Based Organizations

More than anything else, the OFBCI and the various agency centers have been tremendously successful at awarding funds to faith-based organizations with few if any strings attached. According to a 2006 fact sheet prepared by the White House, a review of more than 2,300 grants awarded by just seven federal agencies showed that FBOs received over $2.1 billion in competitive grants in fiscal year 2005, accounting for nearly 11 percent of the total amount of funding awarded that year. That was a 5 percent increase over the year before, and the White House boasts that federal grants to FBOs in the five leading federal service agencies -- the departments of Health and Human Services (HHS), Housing and Urban Development (HUD), Justice (DOJ), Labor (DOL), and Education -- are up a startling 38 percent since fiscal year 2003.

As part of his faith-based initiative, Bush also instructed the secretary of Health and Human Services to use his Demonstration and Research Authority, a program within HHS, to establish the Compassion Capital Fund (CCF). According to the CCF's website, the purpose of the fund is to "help faith-based and community organizations increase their effectiveness and enhance their ability to provide social services by building their organizational capacity." The Republican Congress appropriated $30 million for the CCF in FY 2002, and over the next four years, more than doubled the size of the program to $64.4 million in FY 2006.

The CCF's goal of training FBOs to become more effective applicants for the federal funds available under Bush's executive order is disconcerting enough. Even more worrisome is the fact that the CCF does not directly administer its funds itself. Instead, it awards grants to "intermediary organizations" that are charged with providing "technical assistance and capacity-building sub-awards" to smaller FBOs.

The structure of the CCF immediately caused controversy, since one of the first intermediary groups to receive a grant, totaling $1.5 million over three years, was Operation Blessing, a religious charity founded by The 700 Club televangelist Pat Robertson. Ironically, Robertson had initially been a fierce critic of Bush's faith-based initiative, but he did not pass up the opportunity to land some federal funding. The grant award to Operation Blessing was criticized by both the Left and the Right: The Reverend Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, suggested that "thirty pieces of silver were enough to change [Robertson's] mind."

Conservative columnist and former Moral Majority Vice President Cal Thomas raised the dangers of entanglement: "Government should not decide who deserves funding and who does not. That is an endorsement of one religion or religions over others. Furthermore, the day will come when religious groups will be required to remain silent about their beliefs if they want to continue receiving government checks."

The $1.5 million award to Operation Blessing was only one of the troubling developments. The CCF also gave nearly $2 million over three years to the National Center for Faith-Based Initiatives, an organization founded by Bishop Harold Calvin Ray, one of President Bush's most vocal allies in the push to create his faith-based initiative. As Steve Benen pointed out in an article for Church & State, the lead publication for Americans United, Ray's role as a promoter of federal funds for FBOs has been controversial due to his Christian dominionism views.

"The separation of church and state is a fiction," Ray said in an interview with Charisma magazine in February 2001. "The nation is the kingdom of God, period." He expressed similar views in his self- published book, Creating Wealth, Determining Destiny, in 1996, arguing, "God expects [Christians] to take dominion." Providing federal funds to FBOs, he said, is a strong step in that direction.

One of the significant problems with the Bush faith-based initiative is that no one really knows where the money is going. In January 2006, Josephine Robinson, director of the Office of Community Services within the Health and Human Services Department, conceded to the Chicago Tribune that given the number of staff in her office, there was definitely a limit to how much monitoring of grant recipients could take place. FBOs are not supposed to use federal money for "inherently religious" activities, but the combination of vague guidelines and inadequate oversight makes it virtually impossible to know if the boundaries of the Constitution are being observed.

According to a report prepared in September 2006 by the General Accounting Office, which conducts investigations on behalf of Congress, faith-based and community organizations have received over $500 million in new money from federal agencies since 2001, when Bush first launched his initiative. But the GAO found that the Bush administration was not doing enough to prevent religious discrimination and had not instituted standards for measuring the performance of the groups receiving money.

The more significant story was contained in David Kuo's 2007 book, Tempting Faith: An Inside Story of Political Seduction. Kuo, the number two official in OFBCI from 2001 to 2003, wrote a classic ex-administration-insider, where-the-bodies-are-buried book, the chief purpose of which was to complain that Bush and his political advisers had in fact not done enough to channel funds to FBOs -- by Kuo's calculation, just 1 percent of what Bush had publicly promised.

A portion of his book is devoted to a discussion of the political uses of the Compassion Capital Fund, in which a handpicked panel of Religious Right activists graded the grant applications. Many groups, Kuo said, received high scores (and thus grants) more on the strength of their support for the Bush administration than their ability to provide assistance to the poor and downtrodden. A review panel member reportedly told Kuo some time later that when she saw an application from a non-Christian group, she simply gave the application a zero and moved on. According to the panelist, many of her peers did the same thing.

Not surprisingly, a wide variety of groups have begun to file lawsuits challenging specific programs and their use of federal money. In Massachusetts, for instance, the ACLU filed suit against the Department of Health and Human Services in 2005 to stop funding for the Silver Ring Thing program, which put on multimedia shows for teens at which they are encouraged to purchase a silver ring to show their intent to remain a virgin until marriage. At the same time, however, Silver Ring Thing also used the shows to urge children to commit their lives to Jesus Christ, and inscribed each ring with a verse from the New Testament. The department agreed to put a hold on the group's grant of $1 million in federal funds while it looked into concerns about the program.

While specific programs can be challenged when they cross the fading line separating church and state, what about the White House's operation of the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives itself? Among other things, the OFBCI organizes conferences around the country that are designed to provide FBOs with "an understanding of the president's Faith-Based and Community Initiative, information about the federal grants process and funding opportunities, and the basic legal responsibilities that come with federal funding." The specific objective of the conferences is to educate FBOs on how to most effectively apply for public funds offered by the various federal faith-based agency centers.

In 2004 a Wisconsin-based group called Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) filed a lawsuit against the OFBCI, alleging that both the OFBCI and its conferences constitute the establishment of religion by the Bush administration. Three years later, the newly constituted Roberts Court heard oral arguments in the case of Hein v. Freedom From Religion Foundation (2007) and rejected the challenge, ruling 5-4 that the FFRF did not have standing to challenge President Bush's faith-based initiative. Both of President Bush's nominees, Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justice Samuel Alito, joined the majority in dismissing the lawsuit against the OFBCI. Along with the 5-4 ruling that upheld the partial-birth abortion ban, the Hein decision helped make the end of the court's term very satisfying for the Religious Right.

Supporters of the concept of separation of church and state were disappointed, but relieved that the damage wasn't worse. Typically, taxpayers are not allowed to sue the federal government to protest any specific appropriations. However, in Flast v. Cohen (1968), the Supreme Court created an exception for taxpayer lawsuits that allege violations of the establishment clause. The Roberts Court granted certiorari to determine whether Flast applies to a program that is not funded by a specific act of Congress, but instead is paid out of general appropriations to the executive branch.

The lead opinion was written by Alito and joined by just two other justices: Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Kennedy. Alito said that the expenditures at issue in Flast "were made pursuant to an express congressional mandate and a specific congressional appropriation." But in Hein, the monies in question were provided to the executive branch by Congress "to fund its day-to-day activities." The fact that the money expended by the OFBCI cannot be traced to a specific congressional enactment is sufficient, Alito said, to take the FFRF lawsuit outside of Flast's narrow exception. Without saying so explicitly, the three justices used the same logic that the majority applied in Zelman, the 2002 Ohio school-selection case: Choice, either on the part of parents or the president, apparently is sufficient to rid a program of constitutional infirmity.

The six other justices openly scoffed at the plurality's conclusion, with two separate groups of justices agreeing that there is no logical distinction between the type of congressional act contemplated by Flast and the general grant of money by Congress to the executive branch. But while Associate Justices Scalia and Thomas argued that Flast should simply be overruled, they still concurred that the FFRF lawsuit should be dismissed. Had just one of the other three justices in the majority agreed with Scalia and Thomas, then, arguably, taxpayers would be barred from ever arguing that a federal expenditure violates the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

Justices Stevens, Ginsburg, Souter, and Breyer agreed with Scalia and Thomas that the distinction drawn by Alito was illogical, but concluded that under the holding of Flast, the FFRF should have been allowed to proceed with its lawsuit. Writing for the four dissenters, Justice Souter opined:
Here, there is no dispute that taxpayer money in identifiable amounts is funding conferences, and these are alleged to have the purpose of promoting religion. The taxpayers therefore seek not to "extend" Flast, but merely to apply it. When executive agencies spend identifiable sums of tax money for religious purposes, no less than when Congress authorizes the same thing, taxpayers suffer injury.
FFRF argued to the court that if the Flast case does not apply to discretionary expenditures, then the OFCBI-sponsored conferences will be merely the first misstep on a very slippery slope. What would prevent the executive branch from building a house of worship, for instance, or hiring clergy of one denomination to proselytize? Would an executive branch agency be able to purchase religious symbols and distribute them?

Alito dismissed those concerns as a mere "parade of horribles" and pointed out that despite the limited application of Flast over the years, "none of these things has happened." But Alito was too quick to dismiss FFRF's concerns. There have been two born-again presidents in the nearly 40 years since Flast was handed down (Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush), but only one issued an executive order making it easier for FBOs to obtain government funding and disregard anti-discrimination laws.

While the White House (so far) has not hired a clergyman, there is little doubt that the Compassion Capital Fund is overwhelmingly weighted toward evangelical Christians, to the near exclusion of other religions. And although the OFBCI has not embarked on a church-building program, the Bush administration did announce in 2003 that it would start making direct grants to religious organizations for building maintenance under a program called Save America's Treasures. The Justice Department (well-stocked with former Christian Right staff attorneys) has advised the Bush administration that similar direct grants to religious organizations may be legal under other federal programs as well.

What is particularly disturbing is that with the help of the court's decision in Hein, the Bush White House and OFCBI have not only managed to crush the wall of separation, but are actively chipping away at the concept of checks and balances as well. Despite Bush's inability to persuade Congress that religiously discriminatory hiring is appropriate, his executive orders have accomplished nearly all that the Religious Right could have hoped. The passage of a federal law would be preferable, of course, since another president could rescind Bush's executive orders with the stroke of a pen. But the much more significant and potentially far-reaching victory for the Christian Right occurred at the Supreme Court. Thanks to the movement's decades of work in support of a more conservative Supreme Court, the blatant blending of church and state by the Bush administration is apparently beyond legal challenge, and could be replicated or perpetuated by future presidents. It is a compelling, albeit painful lesson, in how a particularly powerful and surprisingly efficient special interest group can weave the three branches of government into a lucrative and protective trellis.

Reprinted from The Court and the Cross: The Religious Right's Crusade to Reshape the Supreme Court, by Frederick Lane. Copyright © 2008 by Frederick Lane.
By permission of Beacon Press


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ranchero42
Posted by: ranchero42 on Jul 3, 2008 12:23 AM   
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Great news! Churches and other faith based organizations are doing so well under Bush administration policies, it must be time to return all church properties to the tax rolls! Preachers can turn to their congregations for the help they need when they are audited yearly (no, silly, I'm not just talking about Scientology style auditing!) just like waiters and bellhops and other gratuity oriented job titles! We'll have people lined up around the block to get into seminaries because God will need even more dogma workers when it's all gone pro bono and the Lords' work will have to be done on foot! Hallellujah, a New World Order shall come to pass in our time! Can I hear an AMEN!!!!!!

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And here comes Obama
Posted by: gaymatt on Jul 3, 2008 12:44 AM   
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With even more faith based initiatives.
Ridiculous.

If his anti-gay marriage stance wasn't enough to kill my vote for him, this did it.

What is wrong with Democrats these days?

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Apartheid-bound
Posted by: talkville on Jul 3, 2008 3:23 AM   
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The Reformation and the Westphalian Peace arranged certain Political Units, as nations, with the King, Regent or other Governing Power becoming entitled to select for him- or her-self the Official Religion for their Subjects, those who lived within its boundaries. No longer would the Vatican or Catholicism be the single practice of belief; now Protestants could 'choose' their own sect or variation of the Christian dogmas. The Empire (Holy Roman) was busted into smaller units with both secular and religious profession determined by the monarch. Some European states still have a State Religion... .

Then there's the Constitution of Israel. Then there was South Africa. Then there's the Islamic states.

A Constitution, within its borders and according to historical developments, certainly can stipulate the official and exclusive practice of one or another religious belief. This means, in terms of rights, that ONLY if you practice such a belief are you a FULL and Complete citizen. If you are of a 'minority' or of 'un-belief' your citizenship is restricted as to what rights you can or cannot exercise -- in government, in economy and in society. This means not one but at least two juridical standings for those residing within the national boundaries and they are not 'equal' standings; they are hierarchical. Remember "separate but equal"??

And, as this and other articles have been pointing out, this is an on-going project ("judicial reform" they call it among other things). Hopefully, all this is thought through and considered by all US citizens; consequential activities are taking place right under our noses in various forms and guises.

Putting aside wherever one stands with respect to the issue, either pro- or con-, consider: we already have at least two juridical standings with respect to any citizen, any resident of the USA; and this is without regard to Class, Gender, or Race! It affects all, from top to bottom of the social order. I refer to the Non-Smoker and the Smoker. Full and equal rights are enjoyed by one group as contrasted to the other. The "split" is Vertical; it is one of hierarchy, not of 'left-right' or related to sex, or racial background or socio-economic condition or anything else. It is categorical.

All of this has immense implications for considerations of justice, of dignity, of equality before the law, of liberty and of a multitude of other aspects which will be forming the social reality of this and future generations.

I hope this article and this subject are read carefully and deeply thought about and considered. We are leaping into a new world, a world where by constitutions and laws only specific and particular individuals will enjoy full and un-fettered rights. We are being re- and trans- formed into an Apartheid nation and an Apartheid world.

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Revoke Tax Exempt Status to these God Inc's
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 3, 2008 5:07 AM   
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These mega churches and their filthy rich 'preachers' are an industry, not a charity. It's time they pay their dues and begin paying taxes on their corrupt earnings/Profit margins.
They spend more on Taliban type Political tactics than any real charitiable acts.Frankly I question their servitude- themselves, their wealthy friends(CEO's & Politicians) and the doctrine of hate and greed..."Could it be Satan?"
Everytime I hear Mac or one of his puppet masters or their henchmen say 'Wright' I Think Hagee,Parsley,Falwell, Graham, Baker,and about ten more scum of the Earth,Satanic Worshippers,Deceivers,Self Anointed False Idols.
Screw the Relgious industry they're just tax shelters which steal food out of the hands of starving children!
Anyone with an ounce of commonn decency left in them should be taking a hard look at their own 'ministries'. More concerned about Abortion than Childrens Health Care,poverty,World Peace??
"Religious" Americans has NOT become a a 'Christian Nation' but a Nation of Evil Enablers.Orgnaized Religion is the Granddaddy of Apocalyptic Horsemen,with Blind (ignorant)Faith followers. I do NOT want my Tax dollars used to support their War on Humanity.
Theyre enough to make this 'Atheist' pray for Judgement day and the existence of Hell- just to watch them all burn.

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Bush's Estates General Convening
Posted by: scheherezade on Jul 3, 2008 5:22 AM   
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Even more worrisome is the fact that the CCF does not directly administer its funds itself. Instead, it awards grants to "intermediary organizations" that are charged with providing "technical assistance and capacity-building sub-awards" to smaller FBOs...One of the significant problems with the Bush faith-based initiative is that no one really knows where the money is going.

It's called the patronage system. The increasingly insular Second Estate's positioning the First Estate to wield financially grounded moral control over the increasingly unwashed (and hungry) Third Estate.

Worked great for France. Right up until 1789.

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Someday
Posted by: bobtr900 on Jul 3, 2008 5:24 AM   
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We are going to see a lot of discriminatory hiring and discriminatory health care and discriminatory education, if the Bushie Rethugs have their way. Also we are going to see a lot of heaviloy biased hiring of those who belong to the right party, it being the repub party.

The religious right, being the Pope, my religion, and the evangelical fundies(not all evangelicals) will endorse this discriminatory hiring. They will see it as a control issue and an issue where they can strike a blow against Satan and Satanic forces. Forces that they believe are everywhere among us none Repubs, thats we 240+ million Americans who did not vote for the BushCo, and their evil empire of the 'Culture of Death' for profits and political power. After all, in their mind all profits come from God.

The Repukes will use religion to suppress a great portion of Amercan citizens and reduce us to poverty, and most likely they will get away with it because they will have the support of their religions. Poverty, chastity and obedience are hallmarks of Catholicism. Right wing religions will kill in order to fight evil. They call it 'the lesser of two evils'. Their is no lesser of two evils, evil is evil.
Supporting evil, no matter how lesser it is, is still supporter evil. But they think that torture and death are okay as long as they can rationalize it as a fighting of some other evil, that they decide is particularly odious to them.

But since they all kill for Pro-life and Family Values(Iraq) it just might be that they are the perpetrators of Satan and Satanic evil.

I just don't think that when Jesus said: render unto Caesar...that he said it for a very good reason. But all of the Bush right wing religions are nothing more than 'Moral Relativists' and therein lies the evil. They all just ignore: thou shalt not kill(dead troops and dead Iraqis) and thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods(Iraqi oil).

In the final summation, the bottom line, all of this is occurring for nothing more than Repub party profits and political power. So the two right wing religious groups, mega churches, mega religions, have given themselves over(sold themselves for thirty pieces of silver) to Repub party politics. As the one Bushie Rovian political strategist said: "we have been planning this for thirty-five years".

All of this is nothing more than a conflation between religion, profits and political power. But they will stop at nothing to perpetrate, preserve and enrichen themselves.

I am reminded of the pastor from a small Oklahoma church, a televangelist, from a small congregation who spoke out against mega religions and mega churches. I only caught the last five minutes of his sermon, but he seemed to be saying that these mega religions were something akin to a financial millstone around the necks of their congregations families. And in addition, they flew in the face of Jesus admonition that we give up all that we have and come follow him. Instead they were not giving anything up, they were acquiring more, riches. Also that the gathering of riches was a distraction from their real task as set out by Jesus's teachings. And that they had given themselves over to worldly wickedness. This minister was, to me, quite profound as he spoke of what struck me as powerful and prescient truths.

All I could say when his telecast ended was, amen brother, Amen.

Once again I must apologize, for waxing so religious. But what is going on at the behest of the Bush family and their Repubs is so profoundly evil that unless the American people stop them, we all may be at some abyssal precipice, an event horizon, and possibly rushing toward a 'singularity' that seems to be Satanic. And we have been brought down by religion, profits and politics.

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» RE: Someday Posted by: luzmejor
» RE: Someday, the Fire! Posted by: greenPuker
The braindamaged religious fundies could learn from the Vedic Studies.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 3, 2008 5:36 AM   
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By the way, thousands of years ago, the Vedic Era in the Indian empire was not only filled with equal opportunities for both sexes but also strong female leadership. And it was great until the Muslim fundies messed it all up although the British did get Indian women to think for themselves. More people need to study the Vedic scripts if they are going to stand strong for equal opportunities for both sexes.

P.S.: Do a google search for "Vedic Era" and "Women" and you'll get the point.

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The Burning BUSH gives The FAUXTIANs the Payoff!
Posted by: williameon on Jul 3, 2008 5:49 AM   
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Trying to buy another Selection!
Fake Ministers
Fauxtian/Zionists/
Fake Christians

A Privatized Religion
The poor ignorant
Bored Again
Worship the Corpirate GOD of
Violence and GREED

Who funds The Armageddon Show?
Same money lenders
Different Temple!

Since when did The Prince of PEACE advocate War?

Phony Politicians
Fake Newspapers
Fake Television
A Fake media filled with
Pentagon Propaganda!

With the Midwest drowning in Waste
California Burning, Joblessness,
Poverty, Disease, Foreclosures and Homelessness Rampant!
The Shrub sees NOTHING!
I see nothing!
and
What do The Bored Again do?
They take the last crust of bread out of their child’s mouth and
send it off to feed
The Ratschild's evil spawn
Israel
Follow the Money!

Generosity starts at Home.

Remember: The Liberty, Nam, Iraq,
Gulf of Tonkin and
911!
False Flags=False Leaders!

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Money laundering
Posted by: solrev on Jul 3, 2008 6:08 AM   
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Our government has become a money laundering institution, creating new ways to launder money is the sign of an innovative government. Once upon a time there was an American dream, call it a chicken in every pot. The industrial revolution fueled by cheap oil enable us to make that dream come true. In the postindustrial society what would you call the American dream? The supply sidewinders call it prosperity (a successful, flourishing, or thriving condition, esp. in financial respects) and too many of us have bought into that dream. The problem with that dream is it serves no real purpose. It has led to a money laundering government and the squeaky wheel gets the most grease. The system is crashing down and the dream has become a delusion. We did better when we got to eat the chicken. Obama preaches hope, but what is it that I am supposed to hope for. People say that there is something wrong with our schools, but I think children without a dream only have nightmares. What does this have to do with FBOs, nothing. But then FBOs are just squeaky wheels.

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» RE: Money laundering Posted by: bobtr900
I am an atheist
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jul 3, 2008 6:48 AM   
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The fundidiots, etc like to attempt to call being an atheist as if it was a religion.

OK, where is MY goddamn money??!!

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» RE: I am an atheist Posted by: donl51
» RE: I am an atheist Posted by: Dboy
Predicted
Posted by: sawdust on Jul 3, 2008 7:40 AM   
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I keep reading comments every day, from people worrying what other, new and terrible things Dubya can do to the country before he leaves office.

Well here it is and there you go!

I would also support (along with another commenter here) give grants to atheists, and, while we are at it, why don't we just empty the treasury and give all the money to AIPAC? Surely God has "chosen" that action as well as the confirmation of Intelligent Design as science?

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» RE: Predicted Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Predicted Posted by: helenwheels
SOUNDS FAMILIAR
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 3, 2008 7:54 AM   
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This is no different from major corporations moving money off-shore to avoid taxes and audits. Fact is, when non-profit organizaton get money the trail stops. We don't know where the buck stops. Too many causes are intended to help people who cannot help themselves and so they rely on charity. What a convenient place for corruption. This faith-based crowd has no consciece. Example: Blackwater has big time religious affiliations. Thanks, ANNA

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solangel
Posted by: solangel on Jul 3, 2008 8:18 AM   
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The very obvious elimination of division between church and state is absolutely horrifying. Moreover, the recipients of the largese of these faith based organizations have to deal with the always covert and often overt demand to accept the grotesque spiritual viewpoint of their benefactors should they continue to need the charity or they will be denied the needed assistance.

Unlike dubya, many addicts prefer to keep their drug of choice and their freedom rather than continue with these programs which often only transfer their addiction to the religion of which ever "do gooder with a club" gets them first.

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Secular Programs Are Held Accountable
Posted by: Southern Gal on Jul 3, 2008 9:00 AM   
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Secular organizations that get grants from the federal government are held accountable for outcomes. They have to write clear objectives and outcomes for those objectives and describe and measure how they will get there and how they will know when they got there. The planning and evaluation of these programs is detailed. If the government is going to fund religious organizations and groups, then they should have to meet the same criteria as secular. I don't agree with government funding religious programs and organizations and clearly we are on a very slippery slope.

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30 Pieces of Silver nothing less..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jul 3, 2008 9:20 AM   
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Let The Evangelists take their 30 pieces of Silver...they've betrayed everything else Jesus died to teach us already anyway...

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» Oh please Posted by: Dboy
Pagan Social Services
Posted by: WyrdSister on Jul 3, 2008 9:48 AM   
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I am a third-degree Wiccan who is an ordained Holistic Minister.

Maybe I should start my own FBO so I can get my share of the money. I would really like to start a drug/alcohol treatment facility designed for adolescents as traditional treatment doesn't work and the 12 Steps aren't very successful.

Or maybe a young women's clinic with family planning counselors and REAL access to BC.

Hmmmmm....OH the possibilities!

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» RE: Pagan Social Services Posted by: sharloch
Sharloch
Posted by: sharloch on Jul 3, 2008 10:41 AM   
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The good thing is that this will enable gradual fall of Christiany in this country. Why? Many people including atheists, buddhists, muslims, etc. will sign up for Christianity just to receive public (welfare) support. The lies and false faith will accumulate to the point that it will discredit the entire Christian religion. Evrything bad is good for something else. We just have to be patient. Environmental destruction from greed and ignorance will take care of most human issues.

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Strange Bedfellows...
Posted by: Cathyc on Jul 3, 2008 1:20 PM   
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There's not a lot of difference (if any at all) between Big Religion and Big Business, with the Big Politicos in between. They're all a bunch of parasites feeding on the ignorant and scared masses.

Its ye olde Fools and Mad game. :)

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Learn how to read
Posted by: mercury613 on Jul 3, 2008 1:27 PM   
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“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” is not the same as “Congress shall respect and bend over backwards to accommodate all religions.” Separation of church and state means exactly that — SEPARATION.

Apparently, few people elected to public office in the last several decades possess reading comprehension skills beyond those of the average fifth grader.

It’s not rocket science.

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» RE: Learn how to read Posted by: donl51
The corruption goes both ways
Posted by: PaulC on Jul 3, 2008 1:58 PM   
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On the Obama church-state thread, Jasonix made this important point:

> "In the eighties and nineties, evangelicals who weren't interested in right-wing politics didn't have the resources or the organization to fight the right-wing televangelists. I think that there is a greater willingness on the part of these evangelicals today to openly combat the Republican operatives in their midsts. Examples of this include the National Association of Evangelicals assertion that climate change and poverty are moral issues that Christians must address, the outspokenness of high profile megachurch pastors like Rick Warren on these kinds of issues, and the inability of fundamentalists to crush personalities and movements within the evangelical world that seek to redefine evangelical theology in more enlightened terms (for example, Brian McLaren and the emerging church movement)."

While there has been a lot of discussion here regarding Bush enabling a particular religion, from Jasonix's post we get the equally important observation that such funds can dramatically alter the religious communities themselves, distorting their religious message into something more closely aligned with far right corporate extremism.

The recent grassroots upwelling of evangelical concern for more mainstream issues such as poverty and the environment Jasonix mentions has been rebuffed at the highest level by the likes of Pat Robertson, Dobson and their ilk. The power flows from the money, and this unholy alliance represents a corruption of both church and state.

peace,
Paul

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His own money right?
Posted by: donl51 on Jul 3, 2008 5:17 PM   
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If he wishes to give to the church of his choosing,his own money,that's fine! if he's giving them tax payer dollars''and they pay no tax themselves'' then he's breaking the law! I don't care who he is or thinks he is, he's not above the law! and if permitted then they should all be arrested otherwise it makes a mockery of our legal system!!...but then what am I saying? this entire Goverment is a mockery!! whoremongering,pedifilia'd corrupt pigs! that about cover it?...oh yeah and police state!....with that said how many of you will bet me that McCain,who's now backed by the religious right will be our next president,and be right in there w/Bush!no-matter what he claims!......oh what joy!!

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OBAMA, ME-TOO
Posted by: soowee on Jul 3, 2008 7:27 PM   
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Whatever constitutional corruptions George Bush does are abominable, but it was reported in the news of July 2 that Barack Obama plans to EXPAND the Bush Administration's "faith-based" diversion of precious taxpayer dollars to overt religious organizations.

He seems unable to avoid his own shameless pandering and is, therefore, unfit to be President.

Ralph Nader for "spoiler"!

H. Watkins Ellerson
PO Box 90
Hadensville, VA 23067
(804) 457-4243

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FBOs--Be Careful What You Ask For...
Posted by: boblecht on Jul 4, 2008 5:29 AM   
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I think the Republicans are pursuing two goals by financing FBO's through federal government funds, and both goals are nefarious.
First, this funding tightens the political alliance between American religious organizations (overwhelmingly Christian and mostly fundamental) and the Republican party. This arrangement flips the "pay to play" dynamic to "pray for pay". In both cases, money is the adhesive binding the alliance.
Second, most radical Republicans despise any federal government role in social welfare--they want rid of this responsibility and have historically sought to diminish the federal role in these matters. In the past they have successfully shifted this responsibility increasingly to the states. With this initiative they are luring FBOs into increased responsibility and commitment to meeting social welfare needs in local communities. Once those FBOs have programs up and running with these seed funds, the Republicans will not continue program funding from the federal level, and will instead tell the FBO's to seek funding from state and locals levels. In the end, the FBO's will be left holding the social welfare mission bag without federal funds to support it, and they will not have the resources to challenge the feds abandonment of these programs. Thus, the Republicans achieve a dramatically reduced federal role in social welfare, and get to shift billions in federal tax funds to their higher priority political programs--like corporate welfare.

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Ooops...
Posted by: Starfall Deception on Jul 4, 2008 5:29 PM   
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...there goes the Constitution.

We're just one step closer to a fascist nation.

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Must "religious" = "fundamentalist christian"?
Posted by: HoboHomo on Jul 5, 2008 10:46 PM   
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{{ the Bush administration did announce in 2003 that it would start making direct grants to religious organizations }}

C'mon Buddhists, Hindus, Islamists, Wiccans, Shamans, et al: demand YOUR slice of the government's faith-based funding pie! Why, even atheists could finagle some subsidies by claiming their own belief system as equivalent to any religion.

Don't let those Christian bigots get away with murder. Why, not only do they define religion as Christian only, but as a very narrow slice of Christianity...the slice which is stale, rotting, and laced with psychic botulism! Where are the progressive Christians in all this? Why, they're being ignored, too!

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis

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