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Pretending That Bush is Not a Tyrant

By Robert Parry, Consortium News. Posted June 30, 2008.


If you listen to Bush's legal advisors, questions about the limits of his authority might not be hypothetical anymore.
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All over the world down through history, political leaders who have engaged in torture and other grotesque crimes of state have justified their actions as necessary to protect their governments or their people or themselves.

It was true when England’s King Edward I had William Wallace – “Braveheart” – drawn and quartered in 1305 for resisting the crown’s rule in Scotland, and a gruesome death was what King George III foresaw for America’s Founding Fathers in 1776 when they stood up to his abuses in the Colonies.

Kings and tyrants often inflicted special pain on people they viewed as challenging their authority and – at such times – they wiped away the rules of justice. But the United States was supposed to be different.

Indeed, reaction to tyrannical monarchs was what compelled the Founders to establish a government of laws, not men, based on “unalienable rights” for all mankind, including protection against arbitrary detention and prohibition of “cruel and unusual punishment.”

Which is why it was stunning to watch the June 26 hearing before the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution as two representatives of George W. Bush’s presidency responded with disdain when pressed on the administration’s extraordinary vision of an all-powerful Executive operating without legal limits.

While Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff David Addington treated the committee Democrats with haughty contempt, former State Department lawyer John Yoo expressed the ultimate arrogance of power with his muddled responses and evasions of direct questions.

The soft-spoken Yoo, who authored some of the key legal opinions justifying the abuse of detainees, wouldn’t even give a clear answer to the simple question of what atrocity might be beyond President Bush’s power to inflict.

Rep. John Conyers, D-Michigan, cited a news report quoting an ambiguous response from Yoo, who is now a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley, about whether the President could torture the child of a “war on terror” suspect to induce the suspect to talk.

The Judiciary Committee chairman asked: “Is there anything, Professor Yoo, the President cannot order to be done to a suspect if he believes it’s necessary for national defense?”

When Yoo dissembled, Conyers posed the question more pointedly: “Could the President order a suspect buried alive?”

Yoo continued to fence with the congressman, avoiding a direct answer.

“I don’t think I ever gave advice that the President could bury somebody alive,” Yoo said, adding he believed that “no American President would ever have to order that or feel it necessary to order that.”

Pointedly, however, Yoo avoided a direct response to the question of whether he believed the President had the authority to do it.

Pulling Fingernails

Later in the hearing, Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tennessee, returned to the administration’s legal theories that Bush holds “plenary” – or unlimited – power at a time of war and that the President’s motivation, i.e. protecting the country, justifies taking extreme actions.

“So, if I want to take somebody’s fingernails out if I think it’s for the good of the country, that’s not torture?” Cohen asked. “If I want to cut someone’s appendage off, it’s okay as long as I think it’s important for the country? …

“Is there anything you think the President cannot order in terms of interrogation of these prisoners in a state of war?”

Again, dodging a direct answer, Yoo responded that those examples “are not addressed in these memos. … I would say there are things I don’t think any American President would order in order to protect the national security and one of those things is the torture of detainees.”

At this point, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York, subcommittee chairman, interrupted:

“This is the second time today … that you’ve said that you don’t believe an American President would order certain heinous acts. Would you answer the question, not would he order it, but could he order it under the law in your opinion?”


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I put nothing past these cretins
Posted by: vox persona on Jun 30, 2008 1:37 AM   
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They are already on page 4 of the PNAC manual, but only made it to page 2 of the nazi playbook, thanks to the 2006 elections, which slowed down the agenda considerably. We now know that last summer Cheney's intention to attack Iran was stunted by Pentagon officials, and thanks to Scott McClellan we no longer have to speculate as to the tactics this mis-administration will utilize in their 'leadership'.

Bush done peed in the soup, so it might be hard to back out of this one. The Iraq interventionist war of choice was based on manipulated and cherry-picked intel, the maps of Iraq were on the table at Cheney's 'secret' energy policy meetings with oil company reps (thank you Freedom Of Information Act), which took place BEFORE 9/11.

One more Supreme Court Justice like Scalia or Thomas and we will see the rest of the dismantling of everything this country stands for. Remember, to those 'strict constructionist' 'originalists', the words privacy and fairness are not in the text of the Constitution. In fact, a recent decision by the Kangaroo Court not to hear a challenge to the Director of Fatherland Security Chertoff says it all, when he simply 'waived' (read that 'ignored') 37 federal laws, including the Antiquities Act and the Native American Grave Repatriation Act. http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/#post-969

Welcome to the New Homeland Order. Cheney saw the executive branch power dwindle under Ford, and has done everything he could to overswing the pendulum in the other direction. The Unitary Executive is un-Constitutional on the face of it. They shred the Constitution, ignore public and world opinion, as well as common sense, and used an attack they conmveniently ignored to create an all-encompassing 'war on terror' (George Carlin said it was as Constitutional as a 'war on ambush'), and now that justifies everything they have a whim to do.

Read Article II. It specifically outlines the duties, responsibilities and powers of the President. They include Reprieves and Pardons, treaties, appointments, filling vacancies, receiving Ambassadors and other Ministers....and giving Congress the State of the Union. That sounds like a figurehead, with the great equalizer being the power of the veto.

There is one 3 word phrase at the beginning about being the 'Commander In Chief' of the Army, Navy and State Militias, but only WHEN CALLED INTO ACTUAL SERVICE, with Congress having the power to declare war. Have we even declared war since WWII? The CIC clause does not give the president the power to authorizr warrantless wiretaps, suspend habeas corpus, torture, or any other powers Bush grabbed in the post-9/11 hysteria. In fact Bush took an oath to protect, preserve and defend the Constitutiion if the US, and has done anything but. For that breach alone he deserves impeachment.

He can do a lot more damage in 7 months, and if recent history is any guide, look for the missiles to fly at Iran before the election.

It was obvious that this war was a purely political move, based in oil (it was first called Operation Iraqi Liberation). There has been a lot of blood money made, vast fortunes, in this bald faced transfer from taxpayers to war profiteers. I hope these guys swim in oil for a long time in the third ring of hell they have created, price paid by Iraqi citizens and now over 4,100 of our soldiers.

But just remember the bumper sticker platitude, 'The Serge is working'. But just who is this 'Serge', and who is he working for? Probably Chevron.

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Common Sense
Posted by: Zuma on Jun 30, 2008 2:07 AM   
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'The more men have to lose, the less willing are they to venture. The rich are in general slaves to fear, and submit to courtly power with the trembling duplicity of a spaniel.' -Thomas Paine

Common Sense by Thomas Paine

Patently, we are all endangered by the present U.S. government en toto, which includes it's private corporate arms. We have been subverted, raided, captured within our own country without recourse.

There are no checks and balances, and what is above question with respect to total corruption? Even as our credibility, morals, and reputation are suspect aborad, so are they at home. Worse, we are influencing other nations to be likewise.

We have nothing to protect us from such total power. This is wrong, and dangerous.

In a democracy void of checks and balance, total power comes to rule. We had only our constitutional foundation safeguarding us against this.

We have now but one party under a government unknown to us.

What now does the flag represent, the people or the powers that be sitting in place? One or the other ought have their own flag.

Our only real power is in not manning the military further. Incredibly, the military's treatment of it's own people gives ample reason for none to enlist. This is a great Achilles Heel that must be publicized more and in greater detail at the very least. Even so, such does little to address the internal rape of we citizens.

forcesofhate.mp3 -excerpt from 1984

All this certainly brings up the specter of armed revolt, which I imagine the powers that be expect to inevitably occur. A large and well detailed article on such error ought be written. It is not enough to remind those of Winston Smith's fate in Orwell's 1984, it also must be mentioned that too is simply another manifestation of unchecked and boundless power.

The bottom line is pamphleteering ala Paine for this very internet plug can easily be pulled at worst and controlled at least, and with media consolidation as it is now, the great chokepoints of media are established. Given the impracticality of a Kinko's revolution, shortwave radio comes to mind and with it packet radio. Consider what means in terms of data mining and how that thwarts the most insidious of Vista's unkown features...

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» RE: Common Sense Posted by: mick3
How Does One Even Respond To This???
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 30, 2008 2:43 AM   
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This well written article should be the alarm bell. Heaven help this country should even one more of these reationary blow hards obtain a seat on the Supreme Court. And yet it could happen.

That the president of the United States is implicated in some serious felonies there can be no denying. Come December, he'll be furiously issuing pardons, scores of them - hundreds of them - in order to protect the sycophants he surrounded himself with from being punished for the crimes they committed at his behest. Has anyone bothered to explain to this half-witted, murderous little thug that a president can not pardon himself? I would love to see the look on the hideous little bastard's face when he finds out about that! Oh, brother!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
George Carlin 1937-2008

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You can thank MSM
Posted by: weathered on Jun 30, 2008 3:31 AM   
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for packaging, protecting and promoting the Lies, Myths and Crimes.

A country that lies to itself, marginalizes itself.
- and as a nation are suffering from low self-esteem.
Pull the plug on all MSM and flourish or stay stuck in the Lie.

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Oh how you've come full circle.
Posted by: chuckjs on Jun 30, 2008 3:49 AM   
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And it only took 212 years to do it. I think it is a crying shame to see a country that fought a war and declared independence from a nation of corrupt, bullying imperialists become that same type of nation so many years on.

I guess the British were correct and you were wrong 212 years ago. Otherwise why would you model your contemprary nation to mirror theirs in a more modern situation.

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» RE: Oh how you've come full circle. Posted by: Richard House
The questions are too tame.
Posted by: Artkansas on Jun 30, 2008 5:25 AM   
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Obviously, we know that there are no limits to the pain that George Bush feels that he can impose on a person.

The question then becomes, how many people is he justified in imprisoning and torturing to maintain his power? I'm going to hazard a guess that currently that number would be 73% of the population, the percentage of people who disapprove of his presidency.

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A more urgent question might be . . .
Posted by: DanYHKim on Jun 30, 2008 5:46 AM   
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I think the question of torture and the limits of presidential power might be better put aside for now. The real question might be:

"Do the extraordinary wartime powers of the president authorize him to suspend Congress and the constitution?"

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George Orwell only missed it by a few years
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 30, 2008 5:57 AM   
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I can't see how people think that this "war on terror" has made anyone American "safe". The founding fathers wrote up the Constitution and Bill of Rights because they knew (as we have forgotten) the tyranny that comes with unchecked power. Addington and Yoo should be disbarred for the legal maneuvering and cover that they afforded this administration.

Of course maybe the next time that they come before Congress, some of those not "torture" techniques should be applied to them - then they might be able to answer the torture questions.

What is it going to take before Congress puts IMPEACHMENT back on the table! Just for the things that we do know, not counting things we don't. Can Congress spell SPINE - they need to get one.

To think that Sen. McCain actually supports these policies is really scary. As the "POW hero" that he is touted as - they obviously either didn't torture him enough or he was so thoroughly tortured that his brain is addled, either way he is not qualified for the job.

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Bush is a criminal? Ohmygosh!
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Jun 30, 2008 6:09 AM   
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Conyers knows it but will not heed Kucinich's impeachment vote. So we rail and wail and spill the pail but what for......nobody is going to do a damned thing about it. It might just be time for Rev. Wright to reappear and bless this dungheap.

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» RE: Bush is a criminal? Ohmygosh! Posted by: helenwheels
A simple solution exists
Posted by: WireHedd on Jun 30, 2008 6:30 AM   
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I know, it sounds extreme and even dangerously so but, let's be honest, does anyone think there is anything short of the threat of immediate death that would make these animals rethink their actions? Let's hope that Al Qaida got a good long look at addington. Maybe he's the next to be beheaded with a kitchen knife on video.

Then yoo, cheney, libby, bush, rice and so on.

I wouldn't lose a second of sleep.

I think they should all be turned loose on the streets of Sadr city with nothing but a tattoo of their own name on their chest and back and hundreds of thousands of pamphlets with the list of their crimes. See what they think of a little taste of their own morality.

Citizens formed into posse groups to "Extraordinarily Render" these pieces of filth out of their homes or offices and off to Iraq.

Let them have a little biblical eye for an eye for them to suffer through.

Might not be nice but it sure gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

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» RE: A simple solution exists Posted by: pinnacle
» RE: A simple solution exists Posted by: WireHedd
» RE: A simple solution exists Posted by: WireHedd
Torture Is Evil: Not And, Ifs, Nor Buts....
Posted by: kunndunn on Jun 30, 2008 7:00 AM   
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Sad has our state of affairs become, when its' own citizens have to defend themselves against such a tyranny of evil men. When Cheney declared that we, Americans, would have to go to the darkside, our great nation has now become a nation known for torturing. Only light (education of the young in the middle east) can pierce darkness (terrorists) who are a minority of fanatics who have hijacked their muslim religion. Cheney, Gonzales, Addington, and Yoo will be known in history as madmen justifying their cruelties.

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There IS a difference!
Posted by: GrannyBgood on Jun 30, 2008 7:21 AM   
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Those folks whose Progressive "ideals" are more important to them than the urgent REALITY that stares us in the face, who say they either won't vote at all or vote their "Conscience", Nader, because Dems are no different than Repugs, had better read this. Obama may be far from the perfection we seek, but he's still far and away our best chance for restoring our rights, and the sanity of this great country.
There is simply nothing "Conscionable" about allowing the Neocons another 4 years to solidify this dictatorship!
If that happens, our choice will probably be to leave the country to the Monsters, the Sheeple, and those whose "Principles" are more important to them than the dealing pragmatically with the dire realities we face.

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» Well said!!! Posted by: Mamarianne
LIMITS OF AUTHORITY?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 30, 2008 7:27 AM   
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The question was never hypothetical but it is late coming. Answer: Bush has set his very own 'limits of authority'. He has none. Problem is that people got all patriotic and stood behind their president while he did what he damn well pleased. All in the interest of keeping us safe. Not one single thing in our country is better for having had Bush as a president. Well of course presidential powers have been greatly expanded. Let's hope we can change that. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: LIMITS OF AUTHORITY? Posted by: WyrdSister
PAX AMERICANA REDUX #2
Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Jun 30, 2008 7:49 AM   
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"The immigrant without money and without connections is not permitted to cherish the comforting illusion that America is a benevolent uncle who assumes a tender and impartial guardianship of nephews and nieces. I soon learned that in a republic there are myriad ways by which the strong, the cunning, the rich can seize power and hold it. I saw the many work for small wages which kept them always on the borderline of want for the few who made huge profits. I saw the courts, the halls of legislation, the press, and the schools--in fact every avenue of education and protection--effectively used as an instrument for the safeguarding of a minority, while the masses were denied every right. I found that the politicians knew how to befog every issue... This was the picture of democracy I soon discovered on my arrival in the United States. Fundamentally there have been few changes since that time." Emma Goldman, Harpers, December, 1934.

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It's not Bush!
Posted by: Grousefeather on Jun 30, 2008 7:55 AM   
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No doubt it's appropriate to point out that Bush is a tyrant, but it would be far more useful and accurate to point out, AND TO KEEP POINTING OUT, that it's the Republicans who promote, and have always promoted, an anti-democratic ideology of tyranny and greed.

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» RE: It's not Bush! Posted by: master09
What is being missed.
Posted by: EinMD on Jun 30, 2008 8:27 AM   
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If the President's power is unlimited during war time, then why would a President ever allow us NOT to be at war.

This is the entire point. Presidents aren't supposed to have unlimited power and they are bound by the Law even during times of war. The right wing only wants to grant unlimited power to THEIR President. If Barack Obama were to win, you can be damned sure that the entire right wing would be up in arms to prevent him from using the same exact powers.

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» RE: What is being missed. Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: What is being missed. Posted by: EdinIowa
Why weren't the Democratic Judicial Committee members more forceful?
Posted by: lovercat2942 on Jun 30, 2008 9:12 AM   
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This might be a bit more naive and simplistic post compared to the great stuff I have read in this forum, but focusing on just the article per se, about the hearing involving Addington and Yoo, can someone please give me a plausible reason why Conyers and the Democratic reps weren't aggressive to the max, saying something like, "If you continue to give evasive answers, not answering our questions, then I will call for you to be arrested and taken to jail for contempt of Congress?" (And let Darrall Issa and the rest of the Republican clods in that committee fume!!) One of the posters in this forum mentioned SPINE. Well, where was it here? Instead of saying "thank you" or "forget it" and moving on, I wish some of these reps would have been more forceful. I know that there is a time limit for each representative to ask questions, and to waste so much of that precious time parrying with these clods who OBVIOUSLY were playing damn word games and didn't want to cooperate, to me, is counterproductive at best and unconscionable at worst. To me this was just painful deja vu from the Senate hearings involving Gonzales.

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Who's watching...
Posted by: Knowmad on Jun 30, 2008 9:46 AM   
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One of the gravest mistakes the American public made, particularly over the past decade or so, was to somehow assume that wealth and military power equate to morality. Something like "We're so rich and powerful, of course we couldn't possibly be anything but good and fair and compassionate." This left the opening for sub-humans like cheney and the rest to loot and pillage your wealth and freedoms, while you were busy praising and admiring your so-inspired society and lifestyle; even to trying to foist it on the "misguided" of the world. No need to cast a critical eye, what with you being so progressive and intelligent, right?

Now you get to reap what you've sown through your inattention and childish naivete, all the negatives that could have been forseen and prepared for with but a brief look at a high school history text.

And, thanks so much, the rest of us on the planet get to help heal the wounds you've caused, since the power you gave to the insane children-in-charge you elected is so vast that the consequences of your inattention will eventually affect virtually everyone else, and likely impact the very future of our species.
~

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John Yoo -- fascist sicko
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 30, 2008 9:56 AM   
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Professor Yoo once said it was okay to "crush the testicles" of a young boy to get information about a supected terrorist relative.

Enough said about the sick fascist bastard.

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» I would be interested Posted by: Ryan
» RE: I would be interested Posted by: wwarner44
» RE: John Yoo -- fascist sicko Posted by: WireHedd
mick3
Posted by: mick3 on Jun 30, 2008 9:57 AM   
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Neither pamphleteering nor a general strike can work in a country this size, this brainwashed. Armed revolution? Give me a break. The Republicans' neocons have their private army, Blackwater, along with the regular one where they systematically turn innocents into mindless killers and haters on command. We've already seen Blackwater at work in New Orleans, protecting corporations while consigning suffering citizens to die of thirst and hunger, or the bullet.

My (so far, unheeded) advice to my progeny is to get the hell out of this benighted country, this "legal" dictatorship, while they can.

Armed revolution? So, you keep a pathetic little handgun in case of home invasion--now most surely from "authorities" armed and trained like occupying armies? Oldsters, remember when local police were "your friend?" Today, consider the detention camps now activated across the land, purportedly for illegal immigrants, who are actually being whisked out of the country without even being able to settle their affairs (children, pets, possessions). So guess who those hellholes are meant for.

Answer: Anyone the present dictatorship cares to detain, torture, kill; i.e., those who resist, who have protested all along while the rest putter on as usual, cluelessly organizing 4th of July parades and flower shows. Or sit on their brains (fannies) watching sports on TV.

Don't count on Obama; despite the soaring rhetoric, he has already announced himself a globalist, imperialist, warmonger. Just another Clinton, neo-cons in disguise. What it boils down to is merely a reverse Oreo: Clinton--Obama--Clinton.

When the 2001 Congress of Self Interest voted for the neocons' wet dream, the Patriot Act, I put a sign on my car that read: TOO LATE. I could now add: TOO RIGHT, but why bother? The long-planned (60 years of it) dictatorship is now firmly in place. The enemy, the neocons, had our number all along, and it turns out to be a big, fat zero. How they must snicker, how they must laugh.

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Take it back now!
Posted by: shoosta on Jun 30, 2008 11:13 AM   
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Stop paying your credit debt. The credit card debt is a new crisis that could easily blindside the public and create another excuse for W to grasp even more power. Stop them at the pass. Bring down the system. This is where OUR power lies. Remember 2001 A Space Odyssey. Dave had to shut down HAL. HAL ran the entire ship, provided life support, navigation, etc. HAL had to be disabled. The financial system is dependent on us, all of us. What can they do to us as individuals if we all stop paying?

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Nothing new under the sun
Posted by: Crazy H on Jun 30, 2008 3:58 PM   
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Interesting that they would ask about burying people alive. That's exactly what we did in Gulf War I ("Operation Media Storm")

After Bush I told Saddam he could invade w/o US interference, hundreds of thousands died. He had it in his power to prevent it, but for some reason he decided not to. Only thing missing was a flight suit on an aircraft carrier.

But we let that one just slip by.

As we did when he & Reagan made secret pacts with the Iranian revolutionaries to help them gain the White House.

We won't hold the current Bush accountable, either - and his successor will be even worse.

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Maybe Hugo Chavez,could help the US restore democracy !?
Posted by: BlueGorilla on Jun 30, 2008 4:11 PM   
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Perhaps some more Americans, are now disabused of the notion, that capitalism is the basis of all freedoms.
Deposing Allende in Chile,destabilising the Sandinista's in Nicaragua...what was all that about?The US took freedom and democracy,and trampled over it,in the case of Chile replacing it with a far right wing openly authoritarian regime.
Well,some citizens may have beleived,that the socialists were being saved from themselves,(and needed to be saved from the pain that comes,when one cannot feel the love of useless consumer products), but it takes a lot of self interest,stupidity and/or self delusion to beleive that.
Now,whichever way you cut it,the US has a much less democratic regime than those democratic societies it destroyed ....I once would have hesitated to use that last sentence,and might have inserted the word "probably", now there isn't even a "probably"to consider.
Democracy is now just an idea, in Bush's plutocracy.
Hey ,maybe Hugo Chavez could invade the US and restore democracy!?

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Thomas Jefferson Said:
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 30, 2008 8:18 PM   
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"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility for every tyranny over the mind of man..!"


You don't hear that one very often....

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» RE: Thomas Jefferson Meant: Posted by: BigElectricCat
Maybe the bush appointed justices are illegal
Posted by: jreal on Jun 30, 2008 10:14 PM   
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Since Bush's presidency is illegal, couldn't the appointed justices be removed?

And how about the unconstitutional ruling for the 2000 elections. Couldn't those justices who have proven they have an agenda also be removed?

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