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Pretending That Bush is Not a Tyrant
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It was true when England’s King Edward I had William Wallace – “Braveheart” – drawn and quartered in 1305 for resisting the crown’s rule in Scotland, and a gruesome death was what King George III foresaw for America’s Founding Fathers in 1776 when they stood up to his abuses in the Colonies.
Kings and tyrants often inflicted special pain on people they viewed as challenging their authority and – at such times – they wiped away the rules of justice. But the United States was supposed to be different.
Indeed, reaction to tyrannical monarchs was what compelled the Founders to establish a government of laws, not men, based on “unalienable rights” for all mankind, including protection against arbitrary detention and prohibition of “cruel and unusual punishment.”
Which is why it was stunning to watch the June 26 hearing before the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution as two representatives of George W. Bush’s presidency responded with disdain when pressed on the administration’s extraordinary vision of an all-powerful Executive operating without legal limits.
While Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff David Addington treated the committee Democrats with haughty contempt, former State Department lawyer John Yoo expressed the ultimate arrogance of power with his muddled responses and evasions of direct questions.
The soft-spoken Yoo, who authored some of the key legal opinions justifying the abuse of detainees, wouldn’t even give a clear answer to the simple question of what atrocity might be beyond President Bush’s power to inflict.
Rep. John Conyers, D-Michigan, cited a news report quoting an ambiguous response from Yoo, who is now a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley, about whether the President could torture the child of a “war on terror” suspect to induce the suspect to talk.
The Judiciary Committee chairman asked: “Is there anything, Professor Yoo, the President cannot order to be done to a suspect if he believes it’s necessary for national defense?”
When Yoo dissembled, Conyers posed the question more pointedly: “Could the President order a suspect buried alive?”
Yoo continued to fence with the congressman, avoiding a direct answer.
“I don’t think I ever gave advice that the President could bury somebody alive,” Yoo said, adding he believed that “no American President would ever have to order that or feel it necessary to order that.”
Pointedly, however, Yoo avoided a direct response to the question of whether he believed the President had the authority to do it.
Pulling Fingernails
Later in the hearing, Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tennessee, returned to the administration’s legal theories that Bush holds “plenary” – or unlimited – power at a time of war and that the President’s motivation, i.e. protecting the country, justifies taking extreme actions.
“So, if I want to take somebody’s fingernails out if I think it’s for the good of the country, that’s not torture?” Cohen asked. “If I want to cut someone’s appendage off, it’s okay as long as I think it’s important for the country? …
“Is there anything you think the President cannot order in terms of interrogation of these prisoners in a state of war?”
Again, dodging a direct answer, Yoo responded that those examples “are not addressed in these memos. … I would say there are things I don’t think any American President would order in order to protect the national security and one of those things is the torture of detainees.”
At this point, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York, subcommittee chairman, interrupted:
“This is the second time today … that you’ve said that you don’t believe an American President would order certain heinous acts. Would you answer the question, not would he order it, but could he order it under the law in your opinion?”
Yoo responded, “It’s not fair to ask that question without any kind of facts,” prompting Nadler to rephrase the question again:
“There’s nothing conceivable to which you could answer ‘no’ that an American President could not order this without knowing facts and context?”
Yoo: “I can’t agree with that because you are trying to put words in my mouth attempting to get me to answer some broad question covering all circumstances and I can’t do that.”
Though refusing to answer, Yoo reaffirmed – through his circumlocution – what has been a central tenet of Bush’s view of presidential power, that there are no limits to his power for the duration of the “war on terror,” even though it is a vague conflict that has no definable end and that is fought on a global battlefield including U.S. territory.
In other words, it is the opinion of the right-wing lawyers who have constructed this legal theory that Bush truly can do whatever he wants to whomever he wants anywhere in the world as long as he couches his actions under his Commander-in-Chief authority.
And when it comes to torture, other word games come into play, such as categorizing “waterboarding,” a form of simulated drowning that has been regarded as torture for centuries, as something other than torture. Reality is all in the eye of the all-powerful President.
Though this right-wing concept of unlimited presidential power appeals to some Americans who consider their personal safety more important than the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, it is so radical a break with American traditions that even its chief advocates, such as Yoo and Addington, duck and weave when the questions are presented directly.
Election 2008
This theory of an all-powerful President now is at stake in Election 2008, as was made clear after the Supreme Court ruled, 5-4, on June 12 that the administration couldn’t deny habeas corpus rights to detainees at the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, some of whom have been held as long as six years.
In his dissent, right-wing Justice Antonin Scalia not only challenged the majority’s legal arguments but pushed the emotional hot button that by recognizing this ancient right for challenging a government’s power to imprison someone, the Supreme Court was putting Americans in danger.
The ruling, Scalia said, “will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed.” Three other right-wing justices – Clarence Thomas, John Roberts and Samuel Alito – concurred in Scalia’s dissent.
Reacting to the Supreme Court, Republican presidential candidate John McCain backed the right-wing minority and called the majority's ruling “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
By contrast, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama sided with the majority, calling habeas rights for detainees “an important step toward reestablishing our credibility as a nation committed to the rule of law.”
If elected, McCain has vowed to appoint more justices like Roberts and Alito – George W. Bush’s choices – meaning that if a President McCain gets to replace one of the five majority justices, the new court might well reinterpret the Constitution to legalize an all-powerful President who can act much like ancient kings once did.
Then, if a President thinks that it might be a good idea to torture someone’s child or bury somebody alive, the questions about the limits of his authority might not be hypothetical anymore.
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Posted by: vox persona on Jun 30, 2008 1:37 AM
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Bush done peed in the soup, so it might be hard to back out of this one. The Iraq interventionist war of choice was based on manipulated and cherry-picked intel, the maps of Iraq were on the table at Cheney's 'secret' energy policy meetings with oil company reps (thank you Freedom Of Information Act), which took place BEFORE 9/11.
One more Supreme Court Justice like Scalia or Thomas and we will see the rest of the dismantling of everything this country stands for. Remember, to those 'strict constructionist' 'originalists', the words privacy and fairness are not in the text of the Constitution. In fact, a recent decision by the Kangaroo Court not to hear a challenge to the Director of Fatherland Security Chertoff says it all, when he simply 'waived' (read that 'ignored') 37 federal laws, including the Antiquities Act and the Native American Grave Repatriation Act. http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/#post-969
Welcome to the New Homeland Order. Cheney saw the executive branch power dwindle under Ford, and has done everything he could to overswing the pendulum in the other direction. The Unitary Executive is un-Constitutional on the face of it. They shred the Constitution, ignore public and world opinion, as well as common sense, and used an attack they conmveniently ignored to create an all-encompassing 'war on terror' (George Carlin said it was as Constitutional as a 'war on ambush'), and now that justifies everything they have a whim to do.
Read Article II. It specifically outlines the duties, responsibilities and powers of the President. They include Reprieves and Pardons, treaties, appointments, filling vacancies, receiving Ambassadors and other Ministers....and giving Congress the State of the Union. That sounds like a figurehead, with the great equalizer being the power of the veto.
There is one 3 word phrase at the beginning about being the 'Commander In Chief' of the Army, Navy and State Militias, but only WHEN CALLED INTO ACTUAL SERVICE, with Congress having the power to declare war. Have we even declared war since WWII? The CIC clause does not give the president the power to authorizr warrantless wiretaps, suspend habeas corpus, torture, or any other powers Bush grabbed in the post-9/11 hysteria. In fact Bush took an oath to protect, preserve and defend the Constitutiion if the US, and has done anything but. For that breach alone he deserves impeachment.
He can do a lot more damage in 7 months, and if recent history is any guide, look for the missiles to fly at Iran before the election.
It was obvious that this war was a purely political move, based in oil (it was first called Operation Iraqi Liberation). There has been a lot of blood money made, vast fortunes, in this bald faced transfer from taxpayers to war profiteers. I hope these guys swim in oil for a long time in the third ring of hell they have created, price paid by Iraqi citizens and now over 4,100 of our soldiers.
But just remember the bumper sticker platitude, 'The Serge is working'. But just who is this 'Serge', and who is he working for? Probably Chevron.
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» some people assume the current regime works for the 'merican people
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» I put nothing past these cretins, agreed but abbreviated versions of the Constitution are not true.
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» RE: I put nothing past these cretins
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» My apologies to 'cretins' everywhere
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» WHy not pull Yoo's Fingernails out for the good of the country?
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Posted by: Zuma on Jun 30, 2008 2:07 AM
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Common Sense by Thomas Paine
Patently, we are all endangered by the present U.S. government en toto, which includes it's private corporate arms. We have been subverted, raided, captured within our own country without recourse.
There are no checks and balances, and what is above question with respect to total corruption? Even as our credibility, morals, and reputation are suspect aborad, so are they at home. Worse, we are influencing other nations to be likewise.
We have nothing to protect us from such total power. This is wrong, and dangerous.
In a democracy void of checks and balance, total power comes to rule. We had only our constitutional foundation safeguarding us against this.
We have now but one party under a government unknown to us.
What now does the flag represent, the people or the powers that be sitting in place? One or the other ought have their own flag.
Our only real power is in not manning the military further. Incredibly, the military's treatment of it's own people gives ample reason for none to enlist. This is a great Achilles Heel that must be publicized more and in greater detail at the very least. Even so, such does little to address the internal rape of we citizens.
forcesofhate.mp3 -excerpt from 1984
All this certainly brings up the specter of armed revolt, which I imagine the powers that be expect to inevitably occur. A large and well detailed article on such error ought be written. It is not enough to remind those of Winston Smith's fate in Orwell's 1984, it also must be mentioned that too is simply another manifestation of unchecked and boundless power.
The bottom line is pamphleteering ala Paine for this very internet plug can easily be pulled at worst and controlled at least, and with media consolidation as it is now, the great chokepoints of media are established. Given the impracticality of a Kinko's revolution, shortwave radio comes to mind and with it packet radio. Consider what means in terms of data mining and how that thwarts the most insidious of Vista's unkown features...
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 30, 2008 2:43 AM
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That the president of the United States is implicated in some serious felonies there can be no denying. Come December, he'll be furiously issuing pardons, scores of them - hundreds of them - in order to protect the sycophants he surrounded himself with from being punished for the crimes they committed at his behest. Has anyone bothered to explain to this half-witted, murderous little thug that a president can not pardon himself? I would love to see the look on the hideous little bastard's face when he finds out about that! Oh, brother!
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
George Carlin 1937-2008
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» RE: How Does One Even Respond To This???
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» he's already admitted his criminality.
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Posted by: weathered on Jun 30, 2008 3:31 AM
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A country that lies to itself, marginalizes itself.
- and as a nation are suffering from low self-esteem.
Pull the plug on all MSM and flourish or stay stuck in the Lie.
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Posted by: chuckjs on Jun 30, 2008 3:49 AM
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I guess the British were correct and you were wrong 212 years ago. Otherwise why would you model your contemprary nation to mirror theirs in a more modern situation.
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» RE: Oh how you've come full circle.
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» RE: Oh how you've come full circle.
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» RE: Oh how you've come full circle.
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» Oh how you've come full circle.Indeed HOUSE, just got back from Paris, Dusseldorf and Istanbul...
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» RE: Oh how you've come full circle.
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Posted by: Artkansas on Jun 30, 2008 5:25 AM
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The question then becomes, how many people is he justified in imprisoning and torturing to maintain his power? I'm going to hazard a guess that currently that number would be 73% of the population, the percentage of people who disapprove of his presidency.
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» RE: The questions are too tame.
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» RE: The questions are too tame.
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Posted by: DanYHKim on Jun 30, 2008 5:46 AM
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"Do the extraordinary wartime powers of the president authorize him to suspend Congress and the constitution?"
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» RE: A more urgent question might be . . .
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» Bush doesn't need a war to take over.
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» RE: Bush doesn't need a war to take over. RIGHT!
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 30, 2008 5:57 AM
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Of course maybe the next time that they come before Congress, some of those not "torture" techniques should be applied to them - then they might be able to answer the torture questions.
What is it going to take before Congress puts IMPEACHMENT back on the table! Just for the things that we do know, not counting things we don't. Can Congress spell SPINE - they need to get one.
To think that Sen. McCain actually supports these policies is really scary. As the "POW hero" that he is touted as - they obviously either didn't torture him enough or he was so thoroughly tortured that his brain is addled, either way he is not qualified for the job.
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» And like an abused child who grew up
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Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Jun 30, 2008 6:09 AM
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Posted by: WireHedd on Jun 30, 2008 6:30 AM
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Then yoo, cheney, libby, bush, rice and so on.
I wouldn't lose a second of sleep.
I think they should all be turned loose on the streets of Sadr city with nothing but a tattoo of their own name on their chest and back and hundreds of thousands of pamphlets with the list of their crimes. See what they think of a little taste of their own morality.
Citizens formed into posse groups to "Extraordinarily Render" these pieces of filth out of their homes or offices and off to Iraq.
Let them have a little biblical eye for an eye for them to suffer through.
Might not be nice but it sure gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.
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Posted by: kunndunn on Jun 30, 2008 7:00 AM
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Posted by: GrannyBgood on Jun 30, 2008 7:21 AM
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There is simply nothing "Conscionable" about allowing the Neocons another 4 years to solidify this dictatorship!
If that happens, our choice will probably be to leave the country to the Monsters, the Sheeple, and those whose "Principles" are more important to them than the dealing pragmatically with the dire realities we face.
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» Well said!!!
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» LEave the country is the answer. CAuse Complicentcy is losing.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 30, 2008 7:27 AM
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Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Jun 30, 2008 7:49 AM
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Posted by: EinMD on Jun 30, 2008 8:27 AM
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This is the entire point. Presidents aren't supposed to have unlimited power and they are bound by the Law even during times of war. The right wing only wants to grant unlimited power to THEIR President. If Barack Obama were to win, you can be damned sure that the entire right wing would be up in arms to prevent him from using the same exact powers.
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» RE: What is being missed.
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Posted by: lovercat2942 on Jun 30, 2008 9:12 AM
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» RE: Why weren't the Democratic Judicial Committee members more forceful?
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» RE: Why weren't the Democratic Judicial Committee members more forceful?
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Posted by: Knowmad on Jun 30, 2008 9:46 AM
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Now you get to reap what you've sown through your inattention and childish naivete, all the negatives that could have been forseen and prepared for with but a brief look at a high school history text.
And, thanks so much, the rest of us on the planet get to help heal the wounds you've caused, since the power you gave to the insane children-in-charge you elected is so vast that the consequences of your inattention will eventually affect virtually everyone else, and likely impact the very future of our species.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 30, 2008 9:56 AM
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Enough said about the sick fascist bastard.
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» I would be interested
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Posted by: shoosta on Jun 30, 2008 11:13 AM
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Posted by: Crazy H on Jun 30, 2008 3:58 PM
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After Bush I told Saddam he could invade w/o US interference, hundreds of thousands died. He had it in his power to prevent it, but for some reason he decided not to. Only thing missing was a flight suit on an aircraft carrier.
But we let that one just slip by.
As we did when he & Reagan made secret pacts with the Iranian revolutionaries to help them gain the White House.
We won't hold the current Bush accountable, either - and his successor will be even worse.
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on Jun 30, 2008 4:11 PM
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Deposing Allende in Chile,destabilising the Sandinista's in Nicaragua...what was all that about?The US took freedom and democracy,and trampled over it,in the case of Chile replacing it with a far right wing openly authoritarian regime.
Well,some citizens may have beleived,that the socialists were being saved from themselves,(and needed to be saved from the pain that comes,when one cannot feel the love of useless consumer products), but it takes a lot of self interest,stupidity and/or self delusion to beleive that.
Now,whichever way you cut it,the US has a much less democratic regime than those democratic societies it destroyed ....I once would have hesitated to use that last sentence,and might have inserted the word "probably", now there isn't even a "probably"to consider.
Democracy is now just an idea, in Bush's plutocracy.
Hey ,maybe Hugo Chavez could invade the US and restore democracy!?
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 30, 2008 8:18 PM
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You don't hear that one very often....
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Posted by: jreal on Jun 30, 2008 10:14 PM
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And how about the unconstitutional ruling for the 2000 elections. Couldn't those justices who have proven they have an agenda also be removed?
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Jul 5, 2008 5:10 PM
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care,
tell the truth,
protect the constitution, [something he took an oath to defend btw]
serve justice,
create jobs,
have a brain,
will leave it there and let others fill it out
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Posted by: J_Mo on Jul 9, 2008 7:54 AM
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~J-Mo
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Posted by: vox persona on Jun 30, 2008 1:37 AM
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Bush done peed in the soup, so it might be hard to back out of this one. The Iraq interventionist war of choice was based on manipulated and cherry-picked intel, the maps of Iraq were on the table at Cheney's 'secret' energy policy meetings with oil company reps (thank you Freedom Of Information Act), which took place BEFORE 9/11.
One more Supreme Court Justice like Scalia or Thomas and we will see the rest of the dismantling of everything this country stands for. Remember, to those 'strict constructionist' 'originalists', the words privacy and fairness are not in the text of the Constitution. In fact, a recent decision by the Kangaroo Court not to hear a challenge to the Director of Fatherland Security Chertoff says it all, when he simply 'waived' (read that 'ignored') 37 federal laws, including the Antiquities Act and the Native American Grave Repatriation Act. http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/#post-969
Welcome to the New Homeland Order. Cheney saw the executive branch power dwindle under Ford, and has done everything he could to overswing the pendulum in the other direction. The Unitary Executive is un-Constitutional on the face of it. They shred the Constitution, ignore public and world opinion, as well as common sense, and used an attack they conmveniently ignored to create an all-encompassing 'war on terror' (George Carlin said it was as Constitutional as a 'war on ambush'), and now that justifies everything they have a whim to do.
Read Article II. It specifically outlines the duties, responsibilities and powers of the President. They include Reprieves and Pardons, treaties, appointments, filling vacancies, receiving Ambassadors and other Ministers....and giving Congress the State of the Union. That sounds like a figurehead, with the great equalizer being the power of the veto.
There is one 3 word phrase at the beginning about being the 'Commander In Chief' of the Army, Navy and State Militias, but only WHEN CALLED INTO ACTUAL SERVICE, with Congress having the power to declare war. Have we even declared war since WWII? The CIC clause does not give the president the power to authorizr warrantless wiretaps, suspend habeas corpus, torture, or any other powers Bush grabbed in the post-9/11 hysteria. In fact Bush took an oath to protect, preserve and defend the Constitutiion if the US, and has done anything but. For that breach alone he deserves impeachment.
He can do a lot more damage in 7 months, and if recent history is any guide, look for the missiles to fly at Iran before the election.
It was obvious that this war was a purely political move, based in oil (it was first called Operation Iraqi Liberation). There has been a lot of blood money made, vast fortunes, in this bald faced transfer from taxpayers to war profiteers. I hope these guys swim in oil for a long time in the third ring of hell they have created, price paid by Iraqi citizens and now over 4,100 of our soldiers.
But just remember the bumper sticker platitude, 'The Serge is working'. But just who is this 'Serge', and who is he working for? Probably Chevron.
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» some people assume the current regime works for the 'merican people
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» I put nothing past these cretins, agreed but abbreviated versions of the Constitution are not true.
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» RE: I put nothing past these cretins
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» My apologies to 'cretins' everywhere
Posted by: vox persona
» WHy not pull Yoo's Fingernails out for the good of the country?
Posted by: common intelligence
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Posted by: Zuma on Jun 30, 2008 2:07 AM
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Common Sense by Thomas Paine
Patently, we are all endangered by the present U.S. government en toto, which includes it's private corporate arms. We have been subverted, raided, captured within our own country without recourse.
There are no checks and balances, and what is above question with respect to total corruption? Even as our credibility, morals, and reputation are suspect aborad, so are they at home. Worse, we are influencing other nations to be likewise.
We have nothing to protect us from such total power. This is wrong, and dangerous.
In a democracy void of checks and balance, total power comes to rule. We had only our constitutional foundation safeguarding us against this.
We have now but one party under a government unknown to us.
What now does the flag represent, the people or the powers that be sitting in place? One or the other ought have their own flag.
Our only real power is in not manning the military further. Incredibly, the military's treatment of it's own people gives ample reason for none to enlist. This is a great Achilles Heel that must be publicized more and in greater detail at the very least. Even so, such does little to address the internal rape of we citizens.
forcesofhate.mp3 -excerpt from 1984
All this certainly brings up the specter of armed revolt, which I imagine the powers that be expect to inevitably occur. A large and well detailed article on such error ought be written. It is not enough to remind those of Winston Smith's fate in Orwell's 1984, it also must be mentioned that too is simply another manifestation of unchecked and boundless power.
The bottom line is pamphleteering ala Paine for this very internet plug can easily be pulled at worst and controlled at least, and with media consolidation as it is now, the great chokepoints of media are established. Given the impracticality of a Kinko's revolution, shortwave radio comes to mind and with it packet radio. Consider what means in terms of data mining and how that thwarts the most insidious of Vista's unkown features...
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 30, 2008 2:43 AM
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That the president of the United States is implicated in some serious felonies there can be no denying. Come December, he'll be furiously issuing pardons, scores of them - hundreds of them - in order to protect the sycophants he surrounded himself with from being punished for the crimes they committed at his behest. Has anyone bothered to explain to this half-witted, murderous little thug that a president can not pardon himself? I would love to see the look on the hideous little bastard's face when he finds out about that! Oh, brother!
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
George Carlin 1937-2008
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» he's already admitted his criminality.
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Posted by: weathered on Jun 30, 2008 3:31 AM
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A country that lies to itself, marginalizes itself.
- and as a nation are suffering from low self-esteem.
Pull the plug on all MSM and flourish or stay stuck in the Lie.
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Posted by: chuckjs on Jun 30, 2008 3:49 AM
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I guess the British were correct and you were wrong 212 years ago. Otherwise why would you model your contemprary nation to mirror theirs in a more modern situation.
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» RE: Oh how you've come full circle.
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» RE: Oh how you've come full circle.
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» Oh how you've come full circle.Indeed HOUSE, just got back from Paris, Dusseldorf and Istanbul...
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Posted by: Artkansas on Jun 30, 2008 5:25 AM
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The question then becomes, how many people is he justified in imprisoning and torturing to maintain his power? I'm going to hazard a guess that currently that number would be 73% of the population, the percentage of people who disapprove of his presidency.
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» RE: The questions are too tame.
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» RE: The questions are too tame.
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Posted by: DanYHKim on Jun 30, 2008 5:46 AM
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"Do the extraordinary wartime powers of the president authorize him to suspend Congress and the constitution?"
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» RE: A more urgent question might be . . .
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» Bush doesn't need a war to take over.
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» RE: Bush doesn't need a war to take over. RIGHT!
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 30, 2008 5:57 AM
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Of course maybe the next time that they come before Congress, some of those not "torture" techniques should be applied to them - then they might be able to answer the torture questions.
What is it going to take before Congress puts IMPEACHMENT back on the table! Just for the things that we do know, not counting things we don't. Can Congress spell SPINE - they need to get one.
To think that Sen. McCain actually supports these policies is really scary. As the "POW hero" that he is touted as - they obviously either didn't torture him enough or he was so thoroughly tortured that his brain is addled, either way he is not qualified for the job.
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» And like an abused child who grew up
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Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Jun 30, 2008 6:09 AM
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» RE: Bush is a criminal? Ohmygosh!
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Posted by: WireHedd on Jun 30, 2008 6:30 AM
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Then yoo, cheney, libby, bush, rice and so on.
I wouldn't lose a second of sleep.
I think they should all be turned loose on the streets of Sadr city with nothing but a tattoo of their own name on their chest and back and hundreds of thousands of pamphlets with the list of their crimes. See what they think of a little taste of their own morality.
Citizens formed into posse groups to "Extraordinarily Render" these pieces of filth out of their homes or offices and off to Iraq.
Let them have a little biblical eye for an eye for them to suffer through.
Might not be nice but it sure gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.
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Posted by: kunndunn on Jun 30, 2008 7:00 AM
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Posted by: GrannyBgood on Jun 30, 2008 7:21 AM
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There is simply nothing "Conscionable" about allowing the Neocons another 4 years to solidify this dictatorship!
If that happens, our choice will probably be to leave the country to the Monsters, the Sheeple, and those whose "Principles" are more important to them than the dealing pragmatically with the dire realities we face.
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» Well said!!!
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» LEave the country is the answer. CAuse Complicentcy is losing.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 30, 2008 7:27 AM
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» RE: LIMITS OF AUTHORITY?
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Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Jun 30, 2008 7:49 AM
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Posted by: Grousefeather on Jun 30, 2008 7:55 AM
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Posted by: EinMD on Jun 30, 2008 8:27 AM
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This is the entire point. Presidents aren't supposed to have unlimited power and they are bound by the Law even during times of war. The right wing only wants to grant unlimited power to THEIR President. If Barack Obama were to win, you can be damned sure that the entire right wing would be up in arms to prevent him from using the same exact powers.
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» RE: What is being missed.
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Posted by: lovercat2942 on Jun 30, 2008 9:12 AM
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Posted by: Knowmad on Jun 30, 2008 9:46 AM
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Now you get to reap what you've sown through your inattention and childish naivete, all the negatives that could have been forseen and prepared for with but a brief look at a high school history text.
And, thanks so much, the rest of us on the planet get to help heal the wounds you've caused, since the power you gave to the insane children-in-charge you elected is so vast that the consequences of your inattention will eventually affect virtually everyone else, and likely impact the very future of our species.
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Posted by: HughScott on Jun 30, 2008 9:56 AM
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Enough said about the sick fascist bastard.
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Posted by: shoosta on Jun 30, 2008 11:13 AM
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Posted by: Crazy H on Jun 30, 2008 3:58 PM
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After Bush I told Saddam he could invade w/o US interference, hundreds of thousands died. He had it in his power to prevent it, but for some reason he decided not to. Only thing missing was a flight suit on an aircraft carrier.
But we let that one just slip by.
As we did when he & Reagan made secret pacts with the Iranian revolutionaries to help them gain the White House.
We won't hold the current Bush accountable, either - and his successor will be even worse.
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on Jun 30, 2008 4:11 PM
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Deposing Allende in Chile,destabilising the Sandinista's in Nicaragua...what was all that about?The US took freedom and democracy,and trampled over it,in the case of Chile replacing it with a far right wing openly authoritarian regime.
Well,some citizens may have beleived,that the socialists were being saved from themselves,(and needed to be saved from the pain that comes,when one cannot feel the love of useless consumer products), but it takes a lot of self interest,stupidity and/or self delusion to beleive that.
Now,whichever way you cut it,the US has a much less democratic regime than those democratic societies it destroyed ....I once would have hesitated to use that last sentence,and might have inserted the word "probably", now there isn't even a "probably"to consider.
Democracy is now just an idea, in Bush's plutocracy.
Hey ,maybe Hugo Chavez could invade the US and restore democracy!?
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 30, 2008 8:18 PM
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You don't hear that one very often....
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Posted by: jreal on Jun 30, 2008 10:14 PM
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And how about the unconstitutional ruling for the 2000 elections. Couldn't those justices who have proven they have an agenda also be removed?
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Jul 5, 2008 5:10 PM
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care,
tell the truth,
protect the constitution, [something he took an oath to defend btw]
serve justice,
create jobs,
have a brain,
will leave it there and let others fill it out
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Posted by: J_Mo on Jul 9, 2008 7:54 AM
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~J-Mo
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