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Obama and McCain on Immigration: Life vs. Death

By Roberto Lovato, New America Media. Posted June 14, 2008.


The best analysis of the differences in the candidates' positions comes from the Spanish-language press.

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A recent story by Maribel Hastings of La Opinión newspaper provides the most comprehensive analysis yet of the similarities and differences between John McCain and Barack Obama around immigration policy. According to Hastings, “Both candidates support construction of a wall at the southern U.S. border. But the most important differences are less obvious and have more to do with what kind of reform the candidates advocate for and try to get approved, according to Cecilia Muñoz, vice president of the National Council of La Raza (NCLR).”

Among those revealing details, says Hastings, are small but important differences that may make a major difference in what will surely be an intense fight for the Latino vote. Hastings continues, “McCain, for example, is opposed to the DREAM Act, which would benefit undocumented students and Obama supports it;” adding that “McCain opposes the idea of giving driver’s licenses to the undocumented, while Obama favors the proposal.”



Reading Hastings’ article, one can’t help but think of how many other opportunities for differentiation the seemingly endless maze of migration law and policy offers the candidates - and the immigrant rights movement - this election year.

If only the political will to bring greater attention to these often life-saving details existed.

The most strategic and important opportunity to turn the page on the immigration debate via the elections does not orbit around the twin axes of legalization and border security favored by the liberal-conservative consensus of some Democrats, some Republicans and their allies. This is the approach of the McCain-Kennedy bill still favored by both candidates.

Much has changed for immigrants since that bill failed in 2006-2007. What is, without a doubt, the most significant change since backers of the various versions of the McCain-Kennedy bill failed to reform immigration policy in 2006-2007 is how rancid and radically bad - detention deaths, thousands of raids, massive deportations, traumatized children, steadily growing streams of hate media and hate crimes, etc. - the anti-immigrant climate has become thanks to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency and others. In such a climate, “immigration reform” focusing primarily on legalization and “border security” seems out-of-touch, if not dangerous.



A more strategic, urgent and powerful immigration reform strategy has to center around the colossal tragedy caused by ICE, the colossal tragedy that is ICE. The greatest good Obama, McCain or anyone else can do to aid current and future immigrants is to put radically re-organizing, if not dismantling, ICE at the center of any discussion about “immigration reform” in the United States. Asking McCain and Obama to lead calls for either Congressional investigations or the establishment of a special investigative committee of some sort (as happened with detention facilities in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo) seems like a good place to start. So would calls for the immediate resignation of ICE chief Julie Myers, who has overseen an agency that has sexually abused, physically beaten, drugged, used dogs against and even killed immigrant detainees in a manner not unlike that seen in offshore military detention centers. With increasing frequency since 2006, Hastings and other Spanish language reporters in print and electronic media outlets have filled pages and airwaves with tear-inspiring, almost daily reports of numerous forms of abuse, death and fear experienced by immigrants at the hands of ICE.

In their efforts to differentiate themselves among voters, especially Latino voters, Senators McCain and Obama might also want these voters to see and hear them lead the fight to pass the Secure and Safe Detention and Asylum Act (SSDS), which was reintroduced last Wednesday by Senators Lieberman, Brownback, Kennedy, and Hagel. The SSDS addresses some of the more serious problems faced by immigrants in detention, problems recently brought to light by major news reports. The detention-focused legislation includes provisions for improved conditions and medical care, reporting of deaths, judicial review of detention for asylum seekers and other detainees, expansion of alternatives to detention and, most importantly, more oversight.

So, in the netherworld of the immigrant gulag growing on our shores, the small differences around the minutiae of immigration law can mean the difference between life and death, a difference that can win the hearts and minds of many voters this year.

(Note: What follows is the La Opinion piece translated into English thanks to Matt Ortega)

Immigration Reform Defines Positions

Obama and McCain plans overlap somewhat, but have significant differences

By Maribel Hastings


La Opinion Correspondent


At first glance there doesn’t seem to be significant differences between Senator Obama and Senator McCain’s stance on immigration. It’s because Obama supports reform previously supported by John McCain until the political climate led him to take a “security-first” approach.

If anything is similar between McCain and Obama and their respective political parties, Republican and Democrat, it’s to avoid the issue all together when possible. Especially since it’s not on the top of the issues of most concern to voters, and a volatile topic.

What’s odd is that it’s an issue that, according to some, would benefit McCain in the fight for latino votes as the Senator from Arizona co-authored the Immigration Reform Bill with Senator Edward Kennedy (D-MA).



Although McCain presently emphasizes a “security-first” approach, the McCain/Kennedy bill still resounds among many hispanics.

But everything is relative. Yesterday a NBC/WSJ poll concluded that 62% of hispanic voters prefer Obama versus 28% for McCain.

Upon closer scrutiny of both candidate positions, there are differences. For example, McCain opposes the Dream Act that benefits undocumented students and Obama supports it; McCain opposes giving driving licenses to illegal immigrants; Obama supports it.

Nevertheless, both would vote in favor of building a wall on the southern border.

“But the most important differences are less obvious and have to do with what type of reform they’ll propose and try to pass,” said Cecilia Munoz, vice president of the National Council of La Raza (NCLR).

According to Munoz, McCain’s talk on immigration changes “depending on his audience.”



“We had George Bush’s heart behind immigration reform and that wasn’t enough. I think John McCain’s heart is behind the legislation but we don’t know if he wants or would be able to really push through the type of reform he wants,” she added.

“Not only is he trying to placate latino voters, but the anti-immigrant side of his party as well, and this will constrain him in an important way” said Munoz.

McCain spokesman Jeff Sadosky told La Opinion that McCain thinks its very important to express his positions with “clear and compassionate” language.



“John McCain thinks that we need to secure the border first, but at the same time he understands that we need to handle the immigration debate humanely while understanding that everybody needs to be treated with respect,” declared Sadosky.

For McCain it’s to attract hispanics without alienating the conservative Republican base.

But Obama also faces obstacles.

Certainly, the Senator’s positions are also more progressive than the official position of the democrats that control congress, like the Senator’s support for giving drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.

But not even the democrats that control both Houses of Congress have been able to advance comprehensive reform.

The Senator tried, but the House of Representatives seems more interested in holding hearings than producing concrete results.



There’s a division between conservative democrats in the House that favor measures focused on security like Rep. Health Shuler’s (R-NC) plan and those that support comprehensive reform like the Hispanic Caucus.

Furthermore, it’s not only the white working class that’s hostile to comprehensive reform. There’s also a perception that there are sectors within the Afro-American community that are hostile to such reform as well.

Munoz pointed to surveys that prove otherwise and that national Afro-American organizations, like the NAACP, actively support comprehensive reform.

But, according to Munoz, the fact that Obama promises to advance immigration reform in the beginning of his possible administration not only is a message to the immigrant community but also to Congress.

“It’s the type of difference with [John McCain] that is less obvious but equally important: the quality of the compromise,” she concluded.


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Roberto Lovato, a frequent Nation contributor, is a New York-based writer with New America Media.

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And Yet Hispanics
Posted by: desidid on Jun 14, 2008 5:34 AM   
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voted against his race in the primaries. Now NCLR stands for Obama because they see the choices before them. But, why didn't they come forward during the primaries and tell their constituents that either Democratic candidate would be of benefit for them? Why didn't they encourage their constituents to learn who Obama is before casting their ballots? Because a perceived coalition between themselves and the African-American community isn't their priority. And their real fear is the issues that are nearly exclusive to their bloc, would have to take a backseat to the issues confronting all people of color.

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» HAHA! Posted by: Mexitli
» Mexitli- Posted by: ptown
» RE: And Yet Hispanics Posted by: Mexitli
Enough of this Back Biting crap...
Posted by: Turiye on Jun 15, 2008 2:50 AM   
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....a few things, actually a gazillion but regardless, bother me and this is ineffective/improper language and Orwellian newspeak.
1. illegal alien, it is Undocumented Worker
as much as every ass in this country seems to think everyone crosses the border to the south, they don't. The people coming from the ME, Russia, Poland, Uzbekistan, Ukraine come through Canada. Every fearmongering minimum wage worker in this country thinks they all get welfare, free health and dental and take every Americans' ever in the world ever jobs. What sort of twisted logic is this?
2. War in Iraq, al Qaeda in Iraq. It is not a war, it is an Illegal Occupation. al Qaeda was never in Iraq until we started murdering, looting and bombing everything in sight.
3. Surge, it is an escalation of Troops.
4. Gaffe or mispoke, it is called "I fucked up, now I am going to apologize."
5. ICE, These idiots are arresting American citizens because they are profiling persons they THINK are Hispanic or Latino. Many of these AMERICANS do not even speak Spanish and they are being thrown into Mexican prisons and are unable to get out. My daughter moved from normal Manhattan to whacko LaLa Land, so she's in L.A. she's Cubana and they could be her.
6. MINUTEMEN. WTF, shooting people? They are not Law Enforcement or Immigration, they're redneck schmucks that have the attitudes of the previous posters.

Shit, no wonder the Psychopath in Chief has been in the White House for 2 terms, listen to the ignorance of your words, the depth of your hatred and I understand how this crap happens....

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Divide and Conquer
Posted by: Cybershaman on Jun 17, 2008 5:48 AM   
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Keep the 'minority' populations fighting amongst themselves for the scraps while the white population continues to live in... oh wait ... the white lower economic classes are finding themselves caught up in this madness too.
When survival becomes this difficult, we all become like too many rats in a cage. This is the way when you worship at the alter of 'competition' rather than 'cooperation'. A nation of economic predators looking for prey.
Why do conservatives only value Darwins 'Survival of the fittest' when it suits their selfish purposes?
It could be interpreted that the lion 'cooperates' with the herd by removing the weak and ill before the herd is affected negatively. The web of life is a cooperative effort, also.

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I was absolutely shocked to hear an American friend of Mexican descent
Posted by: ptown on Jun 17, 2008 6:47 AM   
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I was absolutely shocked to hear an American friend of Mexican descent shredding illegal aliens. He went on a 30 minute tirade about how illegal aliens are trashing the country, have no respect for our laws, graffiti everything, have too many children, etc.

He is a 1st generation American, served in the Army as a Captain and has no sympathy for the plight of undocumented workers in the USA.

On a brighter note, I will be in Eloy, Arizona this weekend visiting an 18 year old detainee who will likely be deported back home to Mexico where he has not lived since he was five.

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» SO WHY WERE YOU 'SHOCKED'?? Posted by: gellero1
Pro or Con Immigration?
Posted by: leequinn on Jun 17, 2008 6:54 AM   
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I found Obama's and McCain's views on two immigration questions:

Should illegal aliens receive any of the rights or benefits that lawful permanent residents enjoy?
Obama: Pro McCain: Pro

Should the US build a physical barrier, such as a fence, along the US-Mexico border?
Obama: Pro McCain: Now Con

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ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION THREATENS THE WEST.
Posted by: SOWILO on Jun 17, 2008 7:50 AM   
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The United States in particular has gotten itself into this problem by getting hung up on "past atrocities" commited by settlers rather than seeing the direct impact this demographic has on the way of life in the United States and how the collapse of the United States caused by unmanagable amounts of immigration during a time of economic stress will have a ripple effect throughout North America and the Western world as a whole.

Many well-meaning, but very delusional liberals are forfeiting much needed work in education curriculum reform, environmental clean-up, and moves toward sustainable architecture and living by letting in a steady stream of cheap labor from rural parts of the Third World. In Europe, they are already seeing the effects as once docile parts of Norway, Sweden, and Finland are being populated and turned violent by immigrants from the Middle-East and Africa. This is completely unsustainable and is growing increasingly dangerous.

The United States spends more than anywhere in the Western World on education and gets less positive results? Why is that? Here in Los Angeles, and in Southern CA in general, we used to have some of the best school systems, and now we have the worst in the nation. In the last 15 years, the demographic from second and third world immigration has skyrocketed, leaving us unable to cope with basic education, sanitation, etc. Why aren't these children learning? The more I live here, the more I'm noticing cultural attitudes (amongst other issues) that impede learning.

Also, we have had a complete displacement of blue-collar work that was once high-paying. The corporatists need to be make aware that the people of the United States will no longer tolerate an open-borders policy for cheap, uneducated, and substandard labor, and no longer will we be held hostage by La Raza and other special interest race groups.

There are many other factors here contributing to the decline of the west. I used to think that unlimited immigration and open borders was progressive, but now, after living amongst the effects for over a year, I am seeing the disaster it has become. The Western world is in for a bumpy ride. We thought we could be everything to everyone, and we got caught up in feeling shame for our history, and not thinking about sustainability. Lack of any understanding of history in America by both the Left and the Right has led us to this moment of collapse.

You have all been warned.

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EVERYONE READ "MEXITLI'S" COMMENTS.
Posted by: SOWILO on Jun 17, 2008 8:11 AM   
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Whenever this person posts, read his comments. There is a hostility in them that is very uneducated. This is the attitude that we get to look forward to. Though he will deny it, and say such things in a humorous way, he is of the reconquista crowd.

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Why do people confuse legal and illegal immigration?
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Jun 17, 2008 3:14 PM   
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I have to wonder why people have so much difficulty distinguishing legal immigration from illegal immigration? Is there some sort of knee-jerk "immigrants good--Americans bad" response at work? IMO, a legal immigrant is like an invited house guest, and should be made welcome. An illegal alien is like a burglar or home invader, and should be punished, then sent home. They are not the same thing!

I am sorry that people in some countries are so desperate that they are willing to break the law and steal US identities in order to work here, but frankly, that is not my fault. I asked my elected reps to vote against NAFTA, but of course, they voted for the big money interests. Still, the problems in the Third World would be less unsolvable if they would do just one thing: practice birth control! Nearly all of their problems in the final analysis relate back to too many people for the number of decent jobs in their own economies. I may sympathize, but that doesn't mean that I am willing to have this nation overrun by hordes of desperate people. We should take care of our own people first.

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Joe Ortiz, author, "Why Christians Will Suffer Great Tribulation
Posted by: Barnabas41 on Jun 17, 2008 3:51 PM   
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Some where during the illegal alien discussion, the issue about those who crossed the border will bring up the issue that an extravagant fine must be paid before these undocumented workers can move forward to obtaining legal status in the USA. Let us not forget that laws already exist in the US concerning those who cross illegally; and that law that is broken is a misdemeanor (not a felony) and that fee is a mere $250.

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