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The White House Returns to Stoking Fears About Potent Pot
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AP's story, picked up by newspapers and TV and radio stations all over the country, began, "Marijuana potency increased last year to the highest level in more than 30 years, posing greater health risks to people who may view the drug as harmless, according to a report released Thursday by the White House."
One had to read six paragraphs into the story to get the first hint of a dissenting view, voiced by Dr. Mitch Earleywine, author of the book, Understanding Marijuana. Earleywine, a substance abuse researcher and psychology professor at the Albany campus of the State University of New York, noted that marijuana smokers simply smoke less when the product is more potent, just as drinkers imbibe smaller quantities of bourbon or vodka than they do of beer. Since the only serious proven harm from marijuana use consists of coughing and other respiratory symptoms caused by inhalation of smoke, higher potency marijuana is arguably healthier, since smoke intake is reduced.
But the AP story -- and most other coverage -- was dominated by dark suggestions of the dire consequences of this new "potent pot." ONDCP chief John Walters warned of the "serious implications" of increased potency, saying, "Today's report makes it more important than ever that we get past outdated, anachronistic views of marijuana."
And Nora Volkow, head of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, added, "Particularly worrisome is the possibility that the more potent THC might be more effective at triggering the changes in the brain that can lead to addiction."
The operative word in Volkow's statement is "might." The claim that higher-potency marijuana means greater risk of addiction is entirely speculative, supported by precisely zero data. That, too, was pointed out by Earleywine, but in a comment buried at the very end of the story.
And not acknowledged anywhere, either by AP or most other news outlets, is the very large body of evidence suggesting that the whole "it's not your father's marijuana" scare story is phony. To understand why, a bit of context -- almost never provided by U.S. mass media -- is necessary.
First, the average potency level of 9.6 percent THC that has ONDCP so alarmed (and which overstates the potency of most domestic marijuana, which is around 5 percent) is actually low by world standards. As reported in the new edition of The Science of Marijuana, by Oxford University pharmacologist Dr. Leslie Iversen, the average THC content of seized marijuana products in Britain from 1998 to 2005 ranged from 10.5 percent to 14.2 percent. In the Netherlands, where marijuana is available by prescription through conventional pharmacies, the minimum permissible THC content set in government standards for medical cannabis (except for one special variety developed specifically to be high in cannabinoids other than THC) is 13 percent.
In other words, the minimum acceptable THC content for medical marijuana in the Netherlands is over one-third higher than the level that has Walters and Volkow in such a tizzy.
And more sober analysts around the world continue to be far less certain than U.S. drug warriors that potency is of great consequence. In a report issued earlier this spring, the British government's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (of which Iversen is a member) expressed some ambivalence about the issue. While acknowledging a concern about young people using high-THC marijuana, the ACMD noted that most users may simply smoke less. It also noted that while potency has clearly increased in the United Kingdom over time, "there has been no concomitant reported increase in enquiries to the National Poisons Information Service nor an increase in hospital admissions due to cannabis intoxication."
A new analysis by a group of Australian researchers, published online May 20 by the journal Addiction, is even more skeptical, citing "claims about escalating cannabis potency made as far back as 1975." The Australians argue that "more research is needed to determine whether increased potency and contamination translates to harm for users." For good measure, they add that the evidence "is fragmented and fraught with methodological problems," explaining that the variations in marijuana samples (potency data comes from batches of marijuana seized by law enforcement) are so wide and the sources so varied that it is simply impossible to know if reported potency accurately represents what is available to marijuana consumers.
That said, there are some legitimate concerns about marijuana potency. A first-time user who happens upon some very high-octane marijuana could well have a more intense experience than they are prepared for. So could someone accustomed to lower-grade material who unexpectedly happens upon some high-quality sinsemilla.
There is an easy way to avert such unpleasant surprises, a method that's long been in use for alcoholic beverages: The bottle of white wine presently sitting in my refrigerator bears a label indicating an alcohol content of 13.7 percent, while the bottle of single-malt scotch I keep on hand for special occasions, contains 43 percent alcohol -- again clearly marked. Needless to say, I'll drink the scotch more slowly and judiciously than the wine.
Similar information could easily be given to marijuana consumers. But that, of course, would require replacing prohibition with a regulatory system similar to that now used for alcohol and tobacco. Oddly, neither Walters nor Volkow seem to have brought up that possibility.
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Posted by: Xynyx on Jun 13, 2008 10:31 AM
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What kind of response are they hoping to get from that?!
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Posted by: Rod on Jun 13, 2008 10:58 AM
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war going bad
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That all too hard to fix, lets distract them
POT IS GETTING TOO POTENT
if that does not work then add
GAYS WANT TO MARRY
Happy sigh, problem solved. Time to get on the mountain bike, no worries.
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Posted by: Lauren on Jun 13, 2008 11:09 AM
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Here in California, it is already regulated and taxed, I'm looking for better consumer protection with labeling.
Manufacturing too. The feds endanger our people and make manufacturing our various medicines and food stuffs difficult. There is no need for that, it is abusive.
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Posted by: ken_sailor on Jun 13, 2008 12:12 PM
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Also so typical of a witchhunt: we have been helpless to prevent the jailing of innocent millions.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 13, 2008 2:15 PM
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Truth is pot has gotten stronger and it's also true these jerks running our government would rather have foreign criminals getting rich off of this than safer smoother cheaper Hemp and or pot being grown in America taking away from the Mexican drug gangs..
Legalize with regulation and grow Hemp for our energy needs..
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Posted by: gonzoskismet on Jun 13, 2008 3:04 PM
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I guess that stuff they grow for Congress and the D.C. crowd my be more potent but we ain't getting any of it out here in the craplands! Now the freaking Southern Baptists are talking about voting their freaking 'moral values' again. Look, I just got through living through EIGHT BLEEDING YEARS of your 'moral values' and, let me tell you, brother, your 'moral values' have left this country in a world of shit! And, I'm not sure me or any of the rest of us can stand another FOUR YEARS of your 'moral values.' How about taking a verse from your own Bible, shaking the dust off your feet and getting on down the road so the rest of us can get on with our lives?
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Posted by: skydog on Jun 13, 2008 5:24 PM
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Even more worrisome than all the lives you've ruined by imprisoning pot smokers? Asshole.
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Posted by: CosmoViking on Jun 14, 2008 3:44 AM
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But this stuff coming from various politicians in the US and indeed Australia after last years grand "pot study", makes no sense at all. There are many active compounds in pot/skunk and yet they manage to present only a very negative picture of the drug.
What are they so afraid of? IS it the drug companies that have a gun to their head? Are they afraid that free-thinking people are going to come together, hit the bong and then discuss everything from how rotten the White House is to Family Guy and the origin of everything? Because they will do that no matter what politicians say.
This bizarre culture offensive is much older than I am. It has never worked, it will never work and I am wondering if the politicians themselves would benefit from a weekend in Amsterdam, because they appear to react with undue stress and puritanism when it comes to the green weed.
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Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Jun 14, 2008 4:15 AM
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We don't have 100 proof beer, do we? That's not because Anheuser-Busch can't make it, and if they could make it, they certainly would have no trouble selling it.
No, that's because it's regulated. They are not allowed to sell 100 proof beer, because it is a legal beverage, and if they want to sell it, they must follow the rules. Back during prohibition, alcohol beverages were all over the place, some very weak, some very, very strong, some contained other unknown, possibly poisonous ingredients. Sales of alcohol often supported criminal organizations.
You can't regulate the strength, the purity, control the pesticides or other poisons that might be on it, keep it away from children, prevent criminal organizations from making money on it, or tax it, UNLESS IT'S LEGALIZED.
The government keeps telling us that the drug trade is responsible for violence in our streets. Well, we don't have gangs of beer dealers gunning each other down with automatic weapons, do we? The idea of thugs from Anheuser-Busch and Coors having gun battles out in the street is laughable, isn't it? Yet, during prohibition, that is exactly what we had. The opening scene in The Untouchables is of federal agents raiding Al Capone's brewery. The violence of that time only ended with the 21st Amendment.
So, the answer to most of the problems caused by pot, which the government keeps telling us about, can be cured by legalizing it. But, our politicians, and the MSM, distort the message into calls to make even harsher penalties against it.
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Posted by: DanielleClarke on Jun 14, 2008 5:12 AM
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Myself i don't smoke but i do know people who do and need it for pain. I know they grow their own and they use very little which means no longer do they have to buy large foreign imported pot which is mostly controlled by the crooked US government which imports the drugs and sells it to our citzenry.
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Posted by: jeffreytaos on Jun 14, 2008 6:49 AM
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P.S. Stop the war on people, bring our women and men home, tear down the southern wall of hypocrisy, vote like human beings, and work with our neighbors to find agreeable solutions to our common problems. Throwing our much needed money at these hypocritical researchers pretending to be doctors is a shame.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 14, 2008 7:08 AM
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Thank G*d we have PHYSICIANS who can justify your claims for you while they crawl into bed with their BigPharma representative!
wouldn't want physicians to pay for their own vacations.
whew!
Now BigPharma can FILL THAT PRESCRIPTION FOR YA! & do it for about 300x the economic & ecological costs!
as long as the Investor Class is making money off it! everything is okay...
high THC content in pot? wow, I guess all that BigPharma research to up the content for industrialized production finally paid off.
see what ya get with all those genetics & engineering students?
Given 'em a high student loan, then toss them a 'work co-op programme' & the next thing you know, they're graduating to BigPharma jobs to crank out the GMO weed & telling people we need more cops.
anything to justify being a "Company Man" & distance yourself from the living conditions of the Rest of the World's experience under corporate oppression...
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Posted by: chiefwanadubie on Jun 14, 2008 8:49 AM
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Jun 14, 2008 8:49 AM
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Next time some AP lacky decides to run with a lame story about POT ( no I don't smoke ) ask them to print the same comparable statistics about tobacco along site the pot stats and then tell me which you would rather be smoking. ( I'm smart enough not to put anything on fire in my mouth )
But that won't happen because the tobacco lobby spends a lot of money in Congress. What we need is a pot lobby.
This stupid "War" on drugs is costing taxpayers so many billions of wasted dollars it is not funny any more. But people are getting rich so the war will continue until people finally get mad enough to demand change and common sense from Congress. In invite you to read about the war on drugs here.
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all the alternutters explaining the Rich, I want smoke. I want smoke.. pathetic.
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Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Jun 14, 2008 11:39 AM
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"Did anyone else notice the curious lack of coverage of Dennis Kucinich’s Articles of Impeachment against President Bush, on Monday, in the mainstream media? Nothing on network news broadcasts on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday; nothing in The Oregonian on those days, either. Finally, on Thursday, The Oregonian saw fit to devote slightly less than eight column-inches to the subject below the fold on page A3.
"Meanwhile, above the fold on page A5 of the same issue of our favorite non-news newspaper, The Oregonian’s editors devoted 13 ½ column-inches to regurgitating (or is that re-regurgitating?) the ONDCP Drug Czar John Walter’s anti-pot propaganda for the umpteenth time. Hey, that story is just as lame—and just as wrong—now as it was the first time they told it. Some things never change."
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Posted by: nor cal surfer on Jun 15, 2008 8:41 AM
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hmmm. it's almost time to disconnect their bullhorn. their noise is beyond offensive. it's invasive, destructive, and completely self-serving: for THEM.
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Posted by: AlterEg0 on Jun 15, 2008 11:49 AM
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Oh, yes. The marijuana cannot compete and detract from earnings of tobacco companies. The "government" members dwell in deep pockets of tobacco companies, as well as the pharmaceutical companies. And marijuana seems to endanger the corporate profits.
Therefore, bad weed!
And still not a word about killer cigarettes, or killer prescription meds.
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Posted by: syberberg on Jun 16, 2008 11:26 AM
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The cops would be able to chase down real criminals, it would free up prison space, there'd be a drop in violent crime...the benefits are almost endless.
The music industry might see an increase in sales. We might even hear some better music in the mainstream as well. Who knows?
Legalise pot, it's a boost to any economy.
This post was ever so slightly tongue-in-cheek.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Jun 16, 2008 1:12 PM
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potent strains of pot have been developed and consumed for thousands of years!
this administration is so lame they will do anything to try and divert attention to real issues...
like why does America incarcerate the most people per capita then any other country on the planet!
choke on that stat and do something meaningful you freaks!
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Posted by: billgee on Jun 20, 2008 4:31 PM
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Potency used to be better.
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Posted by: Malkavian on Jul 8, 2008 4:47 AM
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Drug prohibition has thrived because it has targeted minorities and because most people do not have first hand knowledge of the drugs. The fear of the unknown is a strong force.
Pot has, however, become very widespread. Almost half the US population have tried it, and too many are currently aware that the official propaganda isn't true.
So "pot" sounds nice today, just as "hemp" or "cannabis" did back then. Solution back then: call the drug "marihuana", make it sound foreign and let people project their fears onto the new menace.
Todays solution: name modern cannabis "skunk" and invent new lies and let the projection game begin again.
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Posted by: Xynyx on Jun 13, 2008 10:31 AM
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What kind of response are they hoping to get from that?!
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Posted by: Rod on Jun 13, 2008 10:58 AM
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war going bad
gas prices high
economy = recession
unemployment up
mortgage crisis
health care disaster
Impeachment
War Crimes
That all too hard to fix, lets distract them
POT IS GETTING TOO POTENT
if that does not work then add
GAYS WANT TO MARRY
Happy sigh, problem solved. Time to get on the mountain bike, no worries.
Yep, sounds about right.
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Posted by: Lauren on Jun 13, 2008 11:09 AM
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Here in California, it is already regulated and taxed, I'm looking for better consumer protection with labeling.
Manufacturing too. The feds endanger our people and make manufacturing our various medicines and food stuffs difficult. There is no need for that, it is abusive.
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Posted by: ken_sailor on Jun 13, 2008 12:12 PM
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Also so typical of a witchhunt: we have been helpless to prevent the jailing of innocent millions.
Medals and promotions all around!
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 13, 2008 2:15 PM
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Truth is pot has gotten stronger and it's also true these jerks running our government would rather have foreign criminals getting rich off of this than safer smoother cheaper Hemp and or pot being grown in America taking away from the Mexican drug gangs..
Legalize with regulation and grow Hemp for our energy needs..
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Posted by: gonzoskismet on Jun 13, 2008 3:04 PM
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I guess that stuff they grow for Congress and the D.C. crowd my be more potent but we ain't getting any of it out here in the craplands! Now the freaking Southern Baptists are talking about voting their freaking 'moral values' again. Look, I just got through living through EIGHT BLEEDING YEARS of your 'moral values' and, let me tell you, brother, your 'moral values' have left this country in a world of shit! And, I'm not sure me or any of the rest of us can stand another FOUR YEARS of your 'moral values.' How about taking a verse from your own Bible, shaking the dust off your feet and getting on down the road so the rest of us can get on with our lives?
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Posted by: skydog on Jun 13, 2008 5:24 PM
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Even more worrisome than all the lives you've ruined by imprisoning pot smokers? Asshole.
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Posted by: CosmoViking on Jun 14, 2008 3:44 AM
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But this stuff coming from various politicians in the US and indeed Australia after last years grand "pot study", makes no sense at all. There are many active compounds in pot/skunk and yet they manage to present only a very negative picture of the drug.
What are they so afraid of? IS it the drug companies that have a gun to their head? Are they afraid that free-thinking people are going to come together, hit the bong and then discuss everything from how rotten the White House is to Family Guy and the origin of everything? Because they will do that no matter what politicians say.
This bizarre culture offensive is much older than I am. It has never worked, it will never work and I am wondering if the politicians themselves would benefit from a weekend in Amsterdam, because they appear to react with undue stress and puritanism when it comes to the green weed.
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Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on Jun 14, 2008 4:15 AM
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We don't have 100 proof beer, do we? That's not because Anheuser-Busch can't make it, and if they could make it, they certainly would have no trouble selling it.
No, that's because it's regulated. They are not allowed to sell 100 proof beer, because it is a legal beverage, and if they want to sell it, they must follow the rules. Back during prohibition, alcohol beverages were all over the place, some very weak, some very, very strong, some contained other unknown, possibly poisonous ingredients. Sales of alcohol often supported criminal organizations.
You can't regulate the strength, the purity, control the pesticides or other poisons that might be on it, keep it away from children, prevent criminal organizations from making money on it, or tax it, UNLESS IT'S LEGALIZED.
The government keeps telling us that the drug trade is responsible for violence in our streets. Well, we don't have gangs of beer dealers gunning each other down with automatic weapons, do we? The idea of thugs from Anheuser-Busch and Coors having gun battles out in the street is laughable, isn't it? Yet, during prohibition, that is exactly what we had. The opening scene in The Untouchables is of federal agents raiding Al Capone's brewery. The violence of that time only ended with the 21st Amendment.
So, the answer to most of the problems caused by pot, which the government keeps telling us about, can be cured by legalizing it. But, our politicians, and the MSM, distort the message into calls to make even harsher penalties against it.
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Posted by: DanielleClarke on Jun 14, 2008 5:12 AM
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Myself i don't smoke but i do know people who do and need it for pain. I know they grow their own and they use very little which means no longer do they have to buy large foreign imported pot which is mostly controlled by the crooked US government which imports the drugs and sells it to our citzenry.
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Posted by: jeffreytaos on Jun 14, 2008 6:49 AM
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P.S. Stop the war on people, bring our women and men home, tear down the southern wall of hypocrisy, vote like human beings, and work with our neighbors to find agreeable solutions to our common problems. Throwing our much needed money at these hypocritical researchers pretending to be doctors is a shame.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 14, 2008 7:08 AM
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Thank G*d we have PHYSICIANS who can justify your claims for you while they crawl into bed with their BigPharma representative!
wouldn't want physicians to pay for their own vacations.
whew!
Now BigPharma can FILL THAT PRESCRIPTION FOR YA! & do it for about 300x the economic & ecological costs!
as long as the Investor Class is making money off it! everything is okay...
high THC content in pot? wow, I guess all that BigPharma research to up the content for industrialized production finally paid off.
see what ya get with all those genetics & engineering students?
Given 'em a high student loan, then toss them a 'work co-op programme' & the next thing you know, they're graduating to BigPharma jobs to crank out the GMO weed & telling people we need more cops.
anything to justify being a "Company Man" & distance yourself from the living conditions of the Rest of the World's experience under corporate oppression...
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Jun 14, 2008 8:49 AM
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Next time some AP lacky decides to run with a lame story about POT ( no I don't smoke ) ask them to print the same comparable statistics about tobacco along site the pot stats and then tell me which you would rather be smoking. ( I'm smart enough not to put anything on fire in my mouth )
But that won't happen because the tobacco lobby spends a lot of money in Congress. What we need is a pot lobby.
This stupid "War" on drugs is costing taxpayers so many billions of wasted dollars it is not funny any more. But people are getting rich so the war will continue until people finally get mad enough to demand change and common sense from Congress. In invite you to read about the war on drugs here.
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all the alternutters explaining the Rich, I want smoke. I want smoke.. pathetic.
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Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Jun 14, 2008 11:39 AM
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"Did anyone else notice the curious lack of coverage of Dennis Kucinich’s Articles of Impeachment against President Bush, on Monday, in the mainstream media? Nothing on network news broadcasts on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday; nothing in The Oregonian on those days, either. Finally, on Thursday, The Oregonian saw fit to devote slightly less than eight column-inches to the subject below the fold on page A3.
"Meanwhile, above the fold on page A5 of the same issue of our favorite non-news newspaper, The Oregonian’s editors devoted 13 ½ column-inches to regurgitating (or is that re-regurgitating?) the ONDCP Drug Czar John Walter’s anti-pot propaganda for the umpteenth time. Hey, that story is just as lame—and just as wrong—now as it was the first time they told it. Some things never change."
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hmmm. it's almost time to disconnect their bullhorn. their noise is beyond offensive. it's invasive, destructive, and completely self-serving: for THEM.
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Posted by: AlterEg0 on Jun 15, 2008 11:49 AM
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Oh, yes. The marijuana cannot compete and detract from earnings of tobacco companies. The "government" members dwell in deep pockets of tobacco companies, as well as the pharmaceutical companies. And marijuana seems to endanger the corporate profits.
Therefore, bad weed!
And still not a word about killer cigarettes, or killer prescription meds.
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Posted by: syberberg on Jun 16, 2008 11:26 AM
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The cops would be able to chase down real criminals, it would free up prison space, there'd be a drop in violent crime...the benefits are almost endless.
The music industry might see an increase in sales. We might even hear some better music in the mainstream as well. Who knows?
Legalise pot, it's a boost to any economy.
This post was ever so slightly tongue-in-cheek.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Jun 16, 2008 1:12 PM
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potent strains of pot have been developed and consumed for thousands of years!
this administration is so lame they will do anything to try and divert attention to real issues...
like why does America incarcerate the most people per capita then any other country on the planet!
choke on that stat and do something meaningful you freaks!
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Posted by: billgee on Jun 20, 2008 4:31 PM
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Potency used to be better.
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Posted by: Malkavian on Jul 8, 2008 4:47 AM
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Drug prohibition has thrived because it has targeted minorities and because most people do not have first hand knowledge of the drugs. The fear of the unknown is a strong force.
Pot has, however, become very widespread. Almost half the US population have tried it, and too many are currently aware that the official propaganda isn't true.
So "pot" sounds nice today, just as "hemp" or "cannabis" did back then. Solution back then: call the drug "marihuana", make it sound foreign and let people project their fears onto the new menace.
Todays solution: name modern cannabis "skunk" and invent new lies and let the projection game begin again.
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