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The War in Iraq Is Pure Murder

By Chris Hedges, Tomdispatch.com. Posted June 6, 2008.


We have embarked on an occupation that is as damaging to our souls as to our prestige and power and security.
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This piece has been adapted from the introduction to the just-published book, Collateral Damage: America's War Against Iraqi Civilians by Chris Hedges and Laila al-Arian (Nation Books, 2008).



Troops, when they battle insurgent forces, as in Iraq, or Gaza or Vietnam, are placed in "atrocity producing situations." Being surrounded by a hostile population makes simple acts, such as going to a store to buy a can of Coke, dangerous. The fear and stress push troops to view everyone around them as the enemy. The hostility is compounded when the enemy, as in Iraq, is elusive, shadowy and hard to find. The rage soldiers feel after a roadside bomb explodes, killing or maiming their comrades, is one that is easily directed, over time, to innocent civilians who are seen to support the insurgents.



Civilians and combatants, in the eyes of the beleaguered troops, merge into one entity. These civilians, who rarely interact with soldiers or Marines, are to most of the occupation troops in Iraq nameless, faceless, and easily turned into abstractions of hate. They are dismissed as less than human. It is a short psychological leap, but a massive moral leap. It is a leap from killing -- the shooting of someone who has the capacity to do you harm -- to murder -- the deadly assault against someone who cannot harm you.



The war in Iraq is now primarily about murder. There is very little killing. The savagery and brutality of the occupation is tearing apart those who have been deployed to Iraq. As news reports have just informed us, 115 American soldiers committed suicide in 2007. This is a 13% increase in suicides over 2006. And the suicides, as they did in the Vietnam War years, will only rise as distraught veterans come home, unwrap the self-protective layers of cotton wool that keep them from feeling, and face the awful reality of what they did to innocents in Iraq



American Marines and soldiers have become socialized to atrocity. The killing project is not described in these terms to a distant public. The politicians still speak in the abstract terms of glory, honor, and heroism, in the necessity of improving the world, in lofty phrases of political and spiritual renewal. Those who kill large numbers of people always claim it as a virtue. The campaign to rid the world of terror is expressed within the confines of this rhetoric, as if once all terrorists are destroyed evil itself will vanish.



The reality behind the myth, however, is very different. The reality and the ideal tragically clash when soldiers and Marines return home. These combat veterans are often alienated from the world around them, a world that still believes in the myth of war and the virtues of the nation. They confront the grave, existential crisis of all who go through combat and understand that we have no monopoly on virtue, that in war we become as barbaric and savage as those we oppose.



This is a profound crisis of faith. It shatters the myths, national and religious, that these young men and women were fed before they left for Iraq. In short, they uncover the lie they have been told. Their relationship with the nation will never be the same. These veterans give us a true narrative of the war -- one that exposes the vast enterprise of industrial slaughter unleashed in Iraq. They expose the lie.



War as Betrayal




"This unit sets up this traffic control point, and this 18 year-old kid is on top of an armored Humvee with a .50-caliber machine gun," remembered Sgt. Geoffrey Millard, who served in Tikrit with the 42nd Infantry Division. "And this car speeds at him pretty quick and he makes a split-second decision that that's a suicide bomber, and he presses the butterfly trigger and puts two hundred rounds in less than a minute into this vehicle. It killed the mother, a father, and two kids. The boy was aged four and the daughter was aged three.




"And they briefed this to the general," Millard said, "and they briefed it gruesome. I mean, they had pictures. They briefed it to him. And this colonel turns around to this full division staff and says, 'If these f---ing hajis learned to drive, this sh-t wouldn't happen.'"



Millard and tens of thousands of other veterans suffer not only delayed reactions to stress but this crisis of faith. The God they knew, or thought they knew, failed them. The church or the synagogue or the mosque, which promised redemption by serving God and country, did not prepare them for the awful betrayal of this civic religion, for the capacity we all have for human atrocity, for the stories of heroism used to mask the reality of war.



War is always about betrayal: betrayal of the young by the old, of idealists by cynics, and of troops by politicians. This bitter knowledge of betrayal has seeped into the ranks of America's Iraq War veterans. It has unleashed a new wave of disillusioned veterans not seen since the Vietnam War. It has made it possible for us to begin, again, to see war's death mask and understand our complicity in evil.



"And then, you know, my sort of sentiment of, 'What the f--- are we doing, that I felt that way in Iraq,'" said Sgt. Ben Flanders, who estimated that he ran hundreds of military convoys in Iraq. "It's the sort of insanity of it and the fact that it reduces it. Well, I think war does anyway, but I felt like there was this enormous reduction in my compassion for people. The only thing that wound up mattering is myself and the guys that I was with. And everybody else be damned, whether you are an Iraqi -- I'm sorry, I'm sorry you live here, I'm sorry this is a terrible situation, and I'm sorry that you have to deal with all of, you know, army vehicles running around and shooting, and these insurgents and all this stuff."



The Hobbesian world of Iraq described by Flanders is one where the ethic is kill or be killed. All nuance and distinction vanished for him. He fell, like most of the occupation troops, into a binary world of us and them, the good and the bad, those worthy of life and those unworthy of life. The vast majority of Iraqi civilians, caught in the middle of the clash among militias, death squads, criminal gangs, foreign fighters, kidnapping rings, terrorists, and heavily armed occupation troops, were just one more impediment that, if they happened to get in the way, had to be eradicated. These Iraqis were no longer human. They were abstractions in human form.



"The first briefing you get when you get off the plane in Kuwait, and you get off the plane and you're holding a duffel bag in each hand," Millard remembered. "You've got your weapon slung. You've got a web sack on your back. You're dying of heat. You're tired. You're jet-lagged. Your mind is just full of goop. And then you're scared on top of that, because, you know, you're in Kuwait, you're not in the States anymore… So fear sets in, too. And they sit you into this little briefing room and you get this briefing about how, you know, you can't trust any of these f---ing hajis, because all these f---king hajis are going to kill you. And 'haji' is always used as a term of disrespect and usually with the F-word in front of it."




The press coverage of the war in Iraq rarely exposes the twisted pathology of this war. We see the war from the perspective of the troops or from the equally skewed perspective of the foreign reporters, holed up in hotels, hemmed in by drivers and translators and official security and military escorts. There are moments when war's face appears to these voyeurs and professional killers, perhaps from the back seat of a car where a small child, her brains oozing out of her head, lies dying, but mostly it remains hidden. And all our knowledge of the war in Iraq has to be viewed as lacking the sweep and depth that will come one day, perhaps years from now, when a small Iraqi boy reaches adulthood and unfolds for us the sad and tragic story of the invasion and bloody occupation of his nation.



As the war sours, as it no longer fits into the mythical narrative of us as liberators and victors, it fades from view. The cable news shows that packaged and sold us the war have stopped covering it, trading the awful carnage of bomb blasts in Baghdad for the soap-opera sagas of Roger Clemens, Miley Cyrus, and Britney Spears in her eternal meltdown. Average monthly coverage of the war in Iraq on the ABC, NBC, and CBS newscasts combined has been cut in half, falling from 388 minutes in 2003, to 274 in 2004, to 166 in 2005. And newspapers, including papers like the Boston Globe, have shut down their Baghdad bureaus. Deprived of a clear, heroic narrative, restricted and hemmed in by security concerns, they have walked away.



Most reporters know
that the invasion and the occupation have been a catastrophe. They know the Iraqis do not want us. They know about the cooked intelligence, spoon-fed to a compliant press by the Office of Special Plans and Lewis Libby's White House Iraq Group. They know about Curveball, the forged documents out of Niger, the outed CIA operatives, and the bogus British intelligence dossiers that were taken from old magazine articles. They know the weapons of mass destruction were destroyed long before we arrived. They know that our military as well as our National Guard and reserve units are being degraded and decimated. They know this war is not about bringing democracy to Iraq, that all the clichs about staying the course and completing the mission are used to make sure the president and his allies do not pay a political price while in power for their blunders and their folly.



The press knows all this, and if reporters had bothered to look they could have known it a long time ago. But the press, or at least most of it, has lost the passion, the outrage, and the sense of mission that once drove reporters to defy authority and tell the truth.



The Legions of the Lost and Damned





War is the pornography of violence. It has a dark beauty, filled with the monstrous and the grotesque. The Bible calls it "the lust of the eye" and warns believers against it. War allows us to engage in lusts and passions we keep hidden in the deepest, most private interiors of our fantasy lives. It allows us to destroy not only things and ideas but human beings.



In that moment of wholesale destruction, we wield the power of the divine, the power to revoke another person's charter to live on this Earth. The frenzy of this destruction -- and when unit discipline breaks down, or when there was no unit discipline to begin with, "frenzy" is the right word -- sees armed bands crazed by the poisonous elixir that our power to bring about the obliteration of others delivers. All things, including human beings, become objects -- objects either to gratify or destroy, or both. Almost no one is immune. The contagion of the crowd sees to that.



Human beings are machine-gunned and bombed from the air, automatic grenade launchers pepper hovels and neighbors with high-powered explosive devices, and convoys race through Iraq like freight trains of death. These soldiers and Marines have at their fingertips the heady ability to call in airstrikes and firepower that obliterate landscapes and villages in fiery infernos. They can instantly give or deprive human life, and with this power they become sick and demented. The moral universe is turned upside down. All human beings are used as objects. And no one walks away uninfected.



War thrusts us into a vortex of pain and fleeting ecstasy. It thrusts us into a world where law is of little consequence, human life is cheap, and the gratification of the moment becomes the overriding desire that must be satiated, even at the cost of another's dignity or life.



"A lot of guys really supported that whole concept that, you know, if they don't speak English and they have darker skin, they're not as human as us, so we can do what we want," said Spc. Josh Middleton, who served in the 82nd Airborne in Iraq. "And you know, 20 year-old kids are yelled at back and forth at Bragg, and we're picking up cigarette butts and getting yelled at every day for having a dirty weapon. But over here, it's like life and death. And 40 year-old Iraqi men look at us with fear and we can -- do you know what I mean? -- we have this power that you can't have. That's really liberating. Life is just knocked down to this primal level of, you know, you worry about where the next food's going to come from, the next sleep or the next patrol, and to stay alive.




"It's like, you feel like, I don't know, if you're a caveman," he added. "Do you know what I mean? Just, you know, I mean, this is how life is supposed to be. Life and death, essentially. No TV. None of that bullsh-t."



It takes little in wartime to turn ordinary men into killers. Most give themselves willingly to the seduction of unlimited power to destroy. All feel the peer pressure to conform. Few, once in battle, find the strength to resist. Physical courage is common on a battlefield. Moral courage, which these veterans have exhibited by telling us the truth about the war, is not.



Military machines and state bureaucracies, which seek to make us obey, seek also to silence those who return from war and speak to its reality. They push aside these witnesses to hide from a public eager for stories of war that fit the mythic narrative of glory and heroism the essence of war, which is death. War, as these veterans explain, exposes the capacity for evil that lurks just below the surface within all of us. This is the truth these veterans, often with great pain, have had to face.



The historian Christopher Browning chronicled the willingness to kill in Ordinary Men, his study of Reserve Police Battalion 101 in Poland during World War II. On the morning of July 12, 1942, the battalion, made up of middle-aged recruits, was ordered to shoot 1,800 Jews in the village of Jzefw in a daylong action. The men in the unit had to round up the Jews, march them into the forest, and one by one order them to lie down in a row. The victims, including women, infants, children, and the elderly, were shot dead at close range.



Battalion members were offered the option to refuse, an option only about a dozen men took, although a few more asked to be relieved once the killing began. Those who did not want to continue, Browning says, were disgusted rather than plagued by conscience. When the men returned to the barracks they "were depressed, angered, embittered and shaken." They drank heavily. They were told not to talk about the event, "but they needed no encouragement in that direction."




Each generation responds to war as innocents. Each generation discovers its own disillusionment, often at a terrible personal price. And the war in Iraq has begun to produce legions of the lost and the damned, many of whom battle the emotional and physical trauma that comes from killing and exposure to violence.



Punishing the Local Population




Sgt. Camilo Meja, who eventually applied while still on active duty to become a conscientious objector, said the ugly side of American racism and chauvinism appeared the moment his unit arrived in the Middle East. Fellow soldiers instantly ridiculed Arab-style toilets because they would be "sh-tting like dogs." The troops around him treated Iraqis, whose language they did not speak and whose culture was alien, little better than animals.



The word "haji" swiftly became a slur to refer to Iraqis, in much the same way "gook" was used to debase the Vietnamese and "raghead" is used to belittle those in Afghanistan. Soon those around him ridiculed "haji food," "haji homes," and "haji music." Bewildered prisoners, who were rounded up in useless and indiscriminate raids, were stripped naked and left to stand terrified for hours in the baking sun. They were subjected to a steady torrent of verbal and physical abuse. "I experienced horrible confusion," Meja remembered, "not knowing whether I was more afraid for the detainees or for what would happen to me if I did anything to help them."



These scenes of abuse, which began immediately after the American invasion, were little more than collective acts of sadism. Meja watched, not daring to intervene yet increasingly disgusted at the treatment of Iraqi civilians. He saw how the callous and unchecked abuse of power first led to alienation among Iraqis and spawned a raw hatred of the occupation forces. When Army units raided homes, the soldiers burst in on frightened families, forced them to huddle in the corners at gunpoint, and helped themselves to food and items in the house.



"After we arrested drivers," he recalled, "we would choose whichever vehicles we liked, fuel them from confiscated jerry cans, and conduct undercover presence patrols in the impounded cars.





"But to this day I cannot find a single good answer as to why I stood by idly during the abuse of those prisoners except, of course, my own cowardice," he also noted.



Iraqi families were routinely fired upon for getting too close to checkpoints, including an incident where an unarmed father driving a car was decapitated by a .50-caliber machine gun in front of his small son. Soldiers shot holes into cans of gasoline being sold alongside the road and then tossed incendiary grenades into the pools to set them ablaze. "It's fun to shoot sh-t up," a soldier said. Some opened fire on small children throwing rocks. And when improvised explosive devices (IEDS) went off, the troops fired wildly into densely populated neighborhoods, leaving behind innocent victims who became, in the callous language of war, "collateral damage."



"We would drive on the wrong side of the highway to reduce the risk of being hit by an IED," Meja said of the deadly roadside bombs. "This forced oncoming vehicles to move to one side of the road and considerably slowed down the flow of traffic. In order to avoid being held up in traffic jams, where someone could roll a grenade under our trucks, we would simply drive up on sidewalks, running over garbage cans and even hitting civilian vehicles to push them out of the way. Many of the soldiers would laugh and shriek at these tactics."



At one point the unit was surrounded by an angry crowd protesting the occupation. Meja and his squad opened fire on an Iraqi holding a grenade, riddling the man's body with bullets. Meja checked his clip afterward and determined that he had fired 11 rounds into the young man. Units, he said, nonchalantly opened fire in crowded neighborhoods with heavy M-240 Bravo machine guns, AT-4 launchers, and Mark 19s, a machine gun that spits out grenades.



"The frustration that resulted from our inability to get back at those who were attacking us," Meja said, "led to tactics that seemed designed simply to punish the local population that was supporting them."




The Algebra of Occupation




It is the anonymity of the enemy that fuels the mounting rage. Comrades are maimed or die, and there is no one to lash back at, unless it is the hapless civilians who happen to live in the neighborhood where the explosion or ambush occurred. Soldiers and Marines can do two or three tours in Iraq and never actually see the enemy, although their units come under attack and take numerous casualties. These troops, who entered Baghdad in triumph when Iraq was occupied, soon saw the decisive victory over Saddam Hussein's army evolve into a messy war of attrition.



The superior firepower and lightning victory was canceled out by what T. E. Lawrence once called the "algebra of occupation." Writing about the British occupation of Iraq following the Ottoman Empire's collapse in World War I, Lawrence, in lessons these veterans have had to learn on their own, highlighted what has always doomed conventional, foreign occupying powers.



"Rebellion must have an unassailable base it must have a sophisticated alien enemy, in the form of a disciplined army of occupation too small to dominate the whole area effectively from fortified posts," Lawrence wrote. "It must have a friendly population, not actively friendly, but sympathetic to the point of not betraying rebel movements to the enemy. Rebellions can be made by 2 percent active in a striking force, and 98 percent passive sympathy. Granted mobility, security time and doctrine victory will rest with the insurgents, for the algebraical factors are in the end decisive."



The failure in Iraq is the same failure that bedeviled the French in Algeria; the United States in Vietnam; and the British, who for 800 years beat, imprisoned, transported, shot, and hanged hundreds of thousands of Irish patriots. Occupation, in each case, turned the occupiers into beasts and fed the insurrection. It created patterns where innocents, as in Iraq, were terrorized and killed. The campaign against a mostly invisible enemy, many veterans said, has given rise to a culture of terror and hatred among U.S. forces, many of whom, losing ground, have in effect declared war on all Iraqis.



Meja said, regarding the deaths of Iraqis at checkpoints, "This sort of killing of civilians has long ceased to arouse much interest or even comment."





Meja also watched soldiers from his unit abuse the corpses of Iraqi dead. He related how, in one incident, soldiers laughed as an Iraqi corpse fell from the back of a truck. "Take a picture of me and this motherf---er," said one of the soldiers who had been in Meja's squad in Third Platoon, putting his arm around the corpse.



The shroud fell away from the body, revealing a young man wearing only his pants. There was a bullet hole in his chest.



"Damn, they really f---ed you up, didn't they?" the soldier laughed.



The scene, Meja noted, was witnessed by the dead man's brothers and cousins.



The senior officers, protected in heavily fortified compounds, rarely experienced combat. They sent their troops on futile missions in the quest to be awarded Combat Infantry Badges. This recognition, Meja noted, "was essential to their further progress up the officer ranks."




This pattern meant that "very few high-ranking officers actually got out into the action, and lower-ranking officers were afraid to contradict them when they were wrong." When the badges -- bearing an emblem of a musket with the hammer dropped, resting on top of an oak wreath -- were finally awarded, the commanders brought in Iraqi tailors to sew the badges on the left breast pockets of their desert combat uniforms.



"This was one occasion when our leaders led from the front," Meja noted bitterly. "They were among the first to visit the tailors to get their little patches of glory sewn next to their hearts."



War breeds gratuitous, senseless, and repeated acts of atrocity and violence. Abuse of the powerless becomes a kind of perverted sport for the troops.



"I mean, if someone has a fan, they're a white-collar family," said Spc. Philip Chrystal, who carried out raids on Iraqi homes in Kirkuk. "So we get started on this day, this one, in particular. And it starts with the psy-ops [psychological operations] vehicles out there, you know, with the big speakers playing a message in Arabic or Farsi or Kurdish or whatever they happen to be saying, basically, saying put your weapons, if you have them, next to the front door in your house. Please come outside, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we had Apaches flying over for security, if they're needed, and it's also a good show of force. And we were running around, and we'd done a few houses by this point, and I was with my platoon leader, my squad leader, and maybe a couple other people, but I don't really remember.



"And we were approaching this one house, and this farming area; they're, like, built up into little courtyards," he said. "So they have like the main house, common area. They have like a kitchen and then they have like a storage-shed-type deal. And we were approaching, and they had a family dog. And it was barking ferociously, because it was doing its job. And my squad leader, just out of nowhere, just shoots it. And he didn't -- motherf---er -- he shot it, and it went in the jaw and exited out.



"So I see this dog -- and I'm a huge animal lover. I love animals -- and this dog has like these eyes on it, and he's running around spraying blood all over the place. And the family is sitting right there, with three little children and a mom and a dad horrified. And I'm at a loss for words. And so I yell at him. I'm like, 'What the f--- are you doing?' And so the dog's yelping. It's crying out without a jaw. And I'm looking at the family, and they're just scared. And so I told them, I was like, 'F---ing shoot it,' you know. 'At least kill it, because that can't be fixed. It's suffering.' And I actually get tears from just saying this right now, but -- and I had tears then, too -- and I'm looking at the kids and they are so scared. So I got the interpreter over with me and I get my wallet out and I gave them twenty bucks, because that's what I had. And, you know, I had him give it to them and told them that I'm so sorry that asshole did that. Which was very common.




"Was a report ever filed about it?" he asked. "Was anything ever done? Any punishment ever dished out? No, absolutely not."



The Plaster Saints of War




The vanquished know war. They see through the empty jingoism of those who use the abstract words of "glory," "honor," and "patriotism" to mask the cries of the wounded, the brutal killing, war profiteering, and chest-pounding grief. They know the lies the victors often do not acknowledge, the lies covered up in stately war memorials and mythic war narratives, filled with stories of courage and comradeship. They know the lies that permeate the thick, self-important memoirs by amoral statesmen who make wars but do not know war.



The vanquished know the essence of war -- death. They grasp that war is necrophilia. They see that war is a state of almost pure sin, with its goals of hatred and destruction. They know how war fosters alienation, leads inevitably to nihilism, and is a turning away from the sanctity and preservation of life. All other narratives about war too easily fall prey to the allure and seductiveness of violence as well as the attraction of the godlike power that comes with the license to kill with impunity.



But the words of the vanquished come later, sometimes long after the war, when grown men and women unpack the suffering they endured as children: what it was like to see their mother or father killed or taken away, or what it was like to lose their homes, their community, their security, and to be discarded as human refuse. But by then few listen. The truth about war comes out, but usually too late. We are assured by the war-makers that these stories have no bearing on the glorious violent enterprise the nation is about to inaugurate. And, lapping up the myth of war and its sense of empowerment, we prefer not to look.




We are trapped in a doomed war of attrition in Iraq. We have blundered into a nation we know little about, caught in bitter rivalries between competing ethnic and religious groups. Iraq was a cesspool for the British in 1917 when they occupied it. It will be a cesspool for us as well. We have embarked on an occupation that is as damaging to our souls as to our prestige and power and security. We have become tyrants to others weaker than ourselves. And we believe, falsely, that because we have the capacity to wage war we have the right to wage war.



We make our heroes out of clay. We laud their gallant deeds and give them uniforms with colored ribbons on their chests for the acts of violence they committed or endured. They are our false repositories of glory and honor, of power, of self-righteousness, of patriotism and self-worship, all that we want to believe about ourselves. They are our plaster saints of war, the icons we cheer to defend us and make us and our nation great. They are the props of our civic religion, our love of power and force, our belief in our right as a chosen nation to wield this force against the weak, and rule. This is our nation's idolatry of itself. And this idolatry has corrupted religious institutions, not only here but in most nations, making it impossible for us to separate the will of God from the will of the state.



Prophets are not those who speak of piety and duty from pulpits -- few people in pulpits have much worth listening to -- but are the battered wrecks of men and women who return from Iraq and speak the halting words we do not want to hear, words that we must listen to and heed to know ourselves. They tell us war is a soulless void. They have seen and tasted how war plunges us into perversion, trauma, and an unchecked orgy of death. And it is their testimonies that have the redemptive power to save us from ourselves.




Purchase your copy of the just-published book, Collateral Damage: America's War Against Iraqi Civilians by Chris Hedges and Laila al-Arian (Nation Books, 2008).
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Chris Hedges is the former Middle East Bureau Chief of the New York Times, a Pulitzer Prize winner, and a Senior Fellow at the Nation Institute. He is the author of several books including War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning. This piece has been adapted from the introduction to the just-published, Collateral Damage: America's War Against Iraqi Civilians (Nation Books), which he has co-authored with Laila al-Arian.

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Posted by: ScottP on Jun 6, 2008 9:20 AM   
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Thanks for speaking of what it's really like instead of making more of the propaganda that spews from the TV and politicians and profiteers. The vast majority of Americans couldn't care less about what's really going on in Iraq, the destruction, the hatred we're breeding there, and the hatred brought home. When I talk about it all I get is blank stares, like I'm talking in Swahili.

Most people don't even remember that Timothy McVeigh was a Gulf War vet, and that was the main reason he went off. The current misadventure is far worse than the previous one, and there will be far worse ramifications at home. Which suits the power freaks in DC just fine, they'll get to ratchet up the security apparatus at home in response. This spiral will go down a long way.

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» blank stares . . . Posted by: dustdevil
Required reading
Posted by: tbone on Jun 6, 2008 9:46 AM   
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If this passage could be read aloud with corresponding images of the death and atrocities, and then played on every television in the US for 1 hour in prime time, the sheeple might just wake up...but then someone in power would have to make the call...and we all know that won't happen. The media has become so fascistically patriotic they don't even realize their complicity in fueling the fire.

Those willing to admit the complete and moral failure of our entire country with regards to foreign policy are completely powerless to change it. Its synonymous with the your local police, they only come AFTER the crime has been committed. If you have direct access to someone who has returned from combat, give them any help you can, show them humanity can survive, give them hope. With hope comes change.

Good luck.

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» Good post, Tbone. Posted by: robbie.seal
not just McVeigh
Posted by: HighburyJD on Jun 6, 2008 9:49 AM   
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also the washington sniper was a Gulf War I vet. Recently released figures showed that more British soldiers who served in the Falklands have killed themselves since that war than died in action during it. 'Support the troops' is the uncontradictable mantra. Then you see the pathetic domestic veterans hospitals and support systems. Speak to anyone who works with the homeless and they'll tell you that staggering amounts of them are ex-services. Neither the US nor the UK even bothers to list or register the breakdowns, suicides or violent crimes of those who have served. Which makes it impossible to guage the true cost of war and easier to justify denying support to those who desperately need it.

One things for sure - just as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowtz, Perle et al avoided the draft not one of their family members will serve or suffer.

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» RE: not just McVeigh Posted by: opmoc
» RE: not just McVeigh Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: not just McVeigh Posted by: Lauren
» RE: not just McVeigh Posted by: Cybershaman
stormy7
Posted by: STORMY78 on Jun 6, 2008 3:10 PM   
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THE IRAQIS ARE FIGHTING THE TERRORISTS THAT INVADED THEIR BELOVED COUNTRY. WE WOULD DO THE SAME IF WE WERE INVADED.
EVERYDAY OUR TROOPS ARE THERE THEY ARE COMMITTING MURDER IN THE NAME OF BUSH'S SO CALLED FREEDOM.
THIS WAR MUST END AND THERE MUST BE ACCOUNTABILITY.

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» RE: stormy7 Posted by: Lauren
» Good Post, Lauren Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: (Patiently): Pretty much Posted by: oregoncharles
» Good to see you, Charles Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: : Pretty much Posted by: Lauren
» I guess he found a nerve... Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: stormy7 Posted by: dustdevil
comparison between nazi germany and usa
Posted by: hooligan on Jun 7, 2008 10:43 AM   
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is the USA actively engaged in casual ethnic cleansing on coincidental contact? whats scary is that the anecdotes are portrayed as a sample of behaviour. 12 stories from a possible 150,000 troops deployed means that the actual scale of casual racist genocide perpetrated by occupying american forces, rakes up the need to know how many iraqis have been killed by americans and how much responsibility america must take for creating the conditions where iraqis kill each other. Here are some number for you to ponder, one sample several years ago was 750,000 iraqi dead. we know that there are over 4,000 us combat casualties..the death toll must be over a million. Where is the pressure from within America for the equivalent of Nuremberg trials?

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We try our own
Posted by: robbie.seal on Jun 11, 2008 9:19 AM   
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Haven't gotten them all, but we try our own.

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» We don't try our own Posted by: leafsong1
RE: Start counting from 1990.
Posted by: helenwheels on Jun 11, 2008 12:48 PM   
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That's why I think it was good that Dennis Kucinich read the articles of impeachment. It will never happen; but the shrub's crimes are now ON THE HISTORY BOOKS and like it or not, the conversation will be ramped up as a result.

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Left out from the TITLE
Posted by: ScoobyDoobyDoo on Jun 9, 2008 4:14 AM   
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... Plunder, Profit and Filch. Definitely, the psycho-sociopath neocons are the latest evolution of unhuman pirates, thugs and mafia. The barbarians are not at the gate; they've taken over and sit on the throne running the show. These criminals need to be where they belong: behind bars. No immunity for criminals, with their secrecy and codes of silence... security for them, not America or the world.

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» RE: Left out from the TITLE Posted by: UndergroundPirate
» RE: Left out from the TITLE Posted by: warble
Outrageous Nation
Posted by: canadagirl on Jun 9, 2008 6:13 AM   
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All the "Foreign Aid" given to countries is specifically targeted for the sole purpose of future control of that nation. America does not understand what the World really feels about America. Why the hatred?

Most American's think so many good things happen because of their foreign policy. It is not the reality. Since the launching of 'Fat Boy', there has been a sense of disgust, with America. Since then, the invasion of so many nations, contribute to the disappointing, disgusting, contemptuous, hostile feelings toward America, from most nations of the World.

All her grand status, she gives herself, will not please any nation on earth. America is greedy, militant, exploitive, self-absorbed, while depriving it's own citizen's of an infrastructure, health care system, economic secure nation. It would rather go to war for power than have a peaceful nation.

It's own citizens crave what other nations have managed to give it's populus. Free healthcare for every citizen, lower tuition for post secondary, growth and prosperity. When these countries have a slow down, the services do not stop. This is a peaceful nation, not one that prefers it's military glory for happiness.

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» RE: Outrageous Nation Posted by: DesertStone
» RE: Outrageous Nation Posted by: warble
you must feel you are entitled to "power" over others
Posted by: DesertStone on Jun 9, 2008 9:55 AM   
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"We have embarked on an occupation that is as damaging to our souls as to our prestige and power and security."

screw your prestige and your power- self important american

that you feel the need to lament your "prestige" and "power" speaks for itself.

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» Screw both of you Posted by: robbie.seal
» Here's yours... Posted by: robbie.seal
The carnage has just begun
Posted by: bluepilgrim on Jun 11, 2008 12:50 AM   
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Wait and see as the radioactive war continues to take it toll, for ten, hundereds, thousands of years to come. Depleted uranium: we have poisoned Iraq (and wherever the wind blows) for millions of years.

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» RE: The carnage has just begun Posted by: richholland
Israel's gifts to America
Posted by: weathered on Jun 11, 2008 3:56 AM   
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acrimony, angst and a inexhaustable supply of manipulating deceit - all very carefully packaged and presented w/the phony and fraudulent energy of a Hollywood production.

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An Action which required Forethought and malice
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 11, 2008 4:09 AM   
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I do not give one ounce of credence tht this adminstration did not know what would happen if they put boots down in the Middle East. I told my husband when I heard we had invaded Afghanistan 'this is gonna be a Cluster F*ck'.
I do not have personal knowledge or a Degree in Middle Eastern Studies- but I do in Sociology and Anthropology. I do Not except the claim of Ignorance or even Misguidance on the Part of the President or any others involved. If we had not heard the Millenia of Demands to get out of the region before - We heard it loud & Clear in the '70's- Iran Hostage Crisis.As musch as I despise the 'Royals' of their Region pulling the Strings of Our Gov't- So must have They.9/11 was not an attack on AmericaNs it was an attack on those who refuse to reliquish power and control who had infiltrated their country- The MIC.
The Bush Regime IS the Oil industry who has not only tampered with their way of life - but has placed Ours and US in Jeopardy.We Told them to get out of the Region Then - bu tthey have refused. WE demanded Alternative energy sources and they have refused.WE hav eNow told them we want OUR kids Home- they have refused.
Rep Kucinich has Once again Attempted to bring forth Articles of Impeachment against this Oil Regime and Most likely the 'Democratic' controlled congress will Refuse to follow through. They fear a negativ eeffect in the Nov.elections- They are correct...As a Life Long Dem I will vote Out as many Dems (and of course Repugs) as Possible. The Only Dem at this Point who may still have my Vote Is Sen Obama.But if he Fails to acknowledge and lend his voice to this cause - I will Not continue to support his Run for the WH. We are Not looking to be lead by the nose any further- We are looking for REAL Public Servants who have the Balls to do what is Right and Necessary to end this Oil Regimes death grip on our nation.
this is of National Importance- This is Our Priority- above all others.If we fail to hold these national Traitors responsible for the crimes they have committted then all else is lost. We will have been Defeated, the 'Great Experiment' has Failed.We will no longer be Beacons to the World community for Freedom and Justice- we will be complicte it's those Ideals Demise.
This is Not a Red or Blue Issue- it is an American issue.WE have Been Betrayed, We have been Undermined. They have enjoyed OUR ancestors Blood Sweat and Tears, shackled and Gagged US, wiped their asses with Our Constitution (et al) and Have lead our children to the Auction Block. If these actions over the last few decades does not constitute Treason, and Crimes against Humanity (Blood for Oil) then such Crimes do not exist, And All Is Lost for Humankind

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» RE: Complicit Congress Posted by: Sushi
» RE: Complicit Congress Posted by: Lauren
It's not the same as VietNam, but similar
Posted by: Last Chance on Jun 11, 2008 5:01 AM   
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As I understand it, there is no coordinated resistance movement in Iraq like there was in VietNam, instead a loose agglomeration of factions that turn against each other as often as against U.S. forces. So, perhaps there are even more cases where American soldiers cannot identify who is a terrorist and who is a terrified civilian -- and that frustration must inevitably lead to despair and any soldier's tragic deal with the devil to "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out!" And I'm sure that is one of the contributing factors in so many suicides, the certain knowledge of having committed war crimes.

So, what are the officer's responsibility. To what extent are they privately encouraging snap decisions to always opt on the side of survival when confronted with uncertain circumstances, like when it cannot be known who is actually inside a building in the vicinity of a recent attack on American soldiers. No answer to a challenge? Blow 'em away, even if it turns out a woman and her children were cowering in terror too paralyzed with fear to answer.

Dilemmas like that are always present in such a war as Iraq, indeed in any war at all. Civillians are just as much at risk as the guerilla fighters operating in their midst -- another profound reason among others why U.S forces should never have invaded in the first place!

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» Put on your Aluminum Foil Hat Posted by: robbie.seal
Excellent piece, I'm blogging it
Posted by: davesilvan on Jun 11, 2008 6:02 AM   
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I have what I believe is an excellent letter I'm going to be writing to my (Philly) Metro, one of a number of free newspapers that print in major cities around the world, including Philly, Boston, and some west coast city i forget the name of, and maybe 2 dozen other countries with at least 1 city.

I haven't even read this article yet, the title and picture alone speak volumes. I'll try to remember to post links later after I publish my much shorter piece, plus I will invariably need to use more than 100 words (the paper's recommendation, tho they're printed my letter before @154 or 147 or something). Actually if any of you use myspace you're welcome to subscribe to my blog, myspace.com/sexg0d (i always feel the need to add 'i promise, it's not what you think') Yes that's a zero not an o, not a capital O.

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War on Terror a hoax, fueled by False Flag terror
Posted by: securacom-wtc on Jun 11, 2008 6:18 AM   
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Almost every war, including the Iraq War, started with False Flag Terror

Free Documentary on www.video.google.com 'One Nation Under Siege'(1.4hrs). Through the research and personal testimony of over a dozen internationally distinguished authors, journalists, doctors, and military experts (Major General Albert Stubblebine) you will understand the massive and ceaseless control projected onto an unsuspecting populace by a government that may have finally crossed the line from a representative republic to a fascist empire. From the USA PATRIOT Act and the blatant disregard for the Bill of Rights to the outright tracking of every human being on the planet earth, you will be stunned by what U.S. government documents describe for the future of America. http://www.undersiegemovie.com/
USA’s Constitution and currency are being destroyed from within. How? Videos free on www.video.google.com 1) America: Freedom to Fascism, 2 hrs; 2)911 Justice, 18min; 3) The Clinton Chronicles, 1.7 hrs; 4) Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement, 2 hrs, 5) Terrorstorm: A History of False Flag Terror, 2 hrs 6) 911 Mysteries, 2 hrs; 7)The Creature from Jekyll Island, 1hr; 8)Orwell Rolls in His Grave, 2hrs; 9) The War on Democracy, 1.5 hrs; 10) The Energy Non-Crisis, 1 hr; 11)Iraq for Sale 1.2 hr; 12) Zeitgeist, 2 hrs; 13)Ring of Power, 2.5 hrs; 14)Bush link to JFK, 1.5 hrs; 15) The Century of the Self, 4 hrs; 16) Loose Change (2nd ed & Final cut) 2hrs each; 17)John Pilger: The New Rulers of the World; 18) The Money Masters: How International Bankers Gained Control of America, 3.5 hrs 19) Barack Obama CFR info 20) Global Warming or Global Governance 21) The Great Global Warming Swindle 22) Mercury, Autism and The Global Vaccine Agenda 23) The CIA, Mind Control and Satanism 24)George Hunt: UN UNCED Earth Summit 1992 (Population Reduction) 25) End of NAtions - EU Takeover 26) Washington, You're Fired 27) Blackwater: America's Private Army 28) Esoteric Agenda 29) Fiat Empire: Why the Federal Reserve Violates the U.S. COnstitution 30) The Revolution Will not be Televised [USA overthrow of Hugo Chavez] 31) One Nation Under Siege 32)Breaking The Silence - Truth and Lies in the War on Terror, by John Pilger(and all his documentaries) 33)Beyond Treason 1.5hrs

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nothing's wrong
Posted by: sre on Jun 11, 2008 6:21 AM   
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Go back to sleep children. Daddy Bush will take care of you.

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Well? What else did you expect as long as you allowed wars for oil while killing hemp, solar, wind ?
Posted by: maxpayne on Jun 11, 2008 6:29 AM   
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The best form of defense is offense. That said, the Left has yet to lift its fingers let alone make it a higher priority to put forth initiatives to get America and even the global economy off oil. Thankfully, most of the same countries backing off Iraq are going solar to say the least. A fellow Christian who has learned from other religions, money and oil do not entice me. You can call me a pest but this pest is IMMUNE to the bait. Are you? If so, let's get millions to stand up for going truly green. Let's shut down the phoney war on drugs, corporate welfare, government subsidization of fossil fuels and nuclear, bloating military budgets which serve no purpose, etc ... Let's concentrate on getting the pols to divert the oversubsidization of fossil fuels and nuclear bs to solar, wind, better biofuels such as hemp, concentrate on successfully raising the CAFE standards, and make public transportation more accessible and affordable. Add it all up and we can defeat the war machine. Otherwise, you can go back and enjoy the fast food crap and media trash while the war machine keeps drowning America into oblivion. The choice is yours.

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OK now what?
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Jun 11, 2008 7:28 AM   
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OK, this is something we have known for a LONG time. the American Sheeple were feed yet another lie and rolled with it. Now, WHAT are we going to do about it? I hear talk of impeachment. Will it happen? Doubtful. The US Political system is now one big fat joke and the American Sheeple are the butt of that joke. I for one would like not only to see Dictator Bush de-throned, I would like to see him shipped to Iraq and made to ANSWER for his crimes against humanity! Wishful thinking. It'll all get swept under the rug like it always does. Business as usual.

JT
Ultimate Anonymity

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dick
Posted by: rtmyth on Jun 11, 2008 7:29 AM   
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Everything is going according to the wishes and plans of the power elite, who are in charge here and thrive on and profit from continuous war.. The masses have no power or influence. There is no distinction between the so-called political partys; they are all part of the power elite. Elections will not change our policies; only a mass protest can do it.

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» RE: dick Posted by: Lauren
THE "CORPORATE" MEDIA
Posted by: fg on Jun 11, 2008 7:36 AM   
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I haven't heard a peep about Kucinich's impeachment move since it happened--even on PBS. It's as if it didn't happen.

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» Was the place empty? Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: Was the place empty? Posted by: Lauren
» Bee Kickers... Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: Bee Kickers... Posted by: Lauren
» And they did it again... Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: THE "CORPORATE" MEDIA Posted by: badkitty
» RE: THE "CORPORATE" MEDIA Posted by: Lauren
» RE: THE "CORPORATE" MEDIA Posted by: helenwheels
rn
Posted by: mnatra on Jun 11, 2008 8:10 AM   
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Tom you wrote a great article good information for the uninformed.The only difference is that America is and has been a terrorist state for over 50 years. It has no reputation to uphold. So whats another War?
The whole world needs to gang up on America now!!!!!!!!

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» The Whole World Would Suck Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: The Whole World Would Suck Posted by: DesertStone
» RE: rn Posted by: Lauren
» RE: rn Posted by: leafsong1
None of this is new
Posted by: rockpicker on Jun 11, 2008 9:03 AM   
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but Hedges' writing is exceptional.

Too bad only a small minority of Americans will read it.

Amy Goodman interviewed Chris on yesterday's show. The writing was much more powerful than the live presentation.

Thanks to AlterNet for bringing us this piece.

Now, do yourselves another favor. Give us an honest review of David Ray Griffin's new book,

"9/11 Contradictions
An Open Letter to Congress and the Press"

A blurb from the jacket:

"David Ray Griffin, writing specifically for members of Congress and the media, has presented the often incredible but true details of 25 major contradictions in the Bush administration's accounts of 9/11. This book, based on careful research but written in a fast-moving, readable style, blows apart the notion that The 9/11 Commission Report presents an accurate account of what happened on September 11. It makes crystal clear the need for a new investigation."
-- Bill Christison, former senior CIA official


Just a simple, honest review of the book.

Is that too much to ask?

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» RE: None of this is new Posted by: EncinoM
The bloody hands of George W. Bush
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 11, 2008 9:19 AM   
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On April 7, 2003, under standing orders from President Bush, a B1 bomber carried out a decapitation strike on a Baghdad restaurant where Saddam Hussein was eating a late lunch. Reportedly.

Shortly after the mission began, the Ace of Spades, suspecting he had been betrayed by someone on his staff, slipped out of the al-Sa’ah restaurant’s backdoor and fled the scene.

Ten minutes later, four 2,000-pound bunker busters dropped by the diverted bomber blew the suburban eatery to bits along with cooks, waiters, bus boys, customers, cashier, pedestrians passing by and the occupants of three nearby homes.

Fourteen civilians died in that Baghdad neighborhood on April 7, people who lost their lives simply for being there, including two young children. Yet back in the United States, few Americans protested the barbaric aspect of the B1 mission, not on TV or in the press anyway. Quite the contrary, there was glorification of Bush’s decision to “take out Saddam,” as so many in his administration enjoyed saying.
Well, that’s not how I felt.

Because I know something about the misery of warfare, the B1 mission horrified me. I was also outraged at Bush for allowing such an atrocity to happen. When a president of the United States decides to preemptively strike another country for the first time in American history with massive air power, then, by God, he had better get it right. And that doesn’t mean killing innocent human beings because he has a grudge against their leader.

Republicans will retort, “We killed millions of civilians in World War Two, thousands at a time.” True, but there’s a difference. A humungous one. We didn’t start the hostilities. Germany and Japan did.

The president claims to be a born-again Christian who got a second chance at life when he turned 40. If that’s the case and not just hypocritical bullshit for public consumption, then he’d better get down on his knees and beg forgiveness from Jesus for killing those poor people on April 7. Because if George W. doesn’t show contrition, which I haven’t seen or heard expressed so far, he may end up in the eternal down-under sharing a table with Saddam and his sons in a barbecue joint called “Hell.”

To excuse our cowboy commander-in-chief, Republicans will argue he didn’t give orders to the B1 crew; someone else did. But that reason won’t wash, either. As our nation’s top military leader who authorized the decapitation strike, he has blood on his hands just like Osama bin Laden.

Here’s the nexus in a nutshell. For the loved ones of 9/11 victims, it’s heart-wrenching to hear but must be said. If you believe as I do that human lives are precious, especially those of children who deserve an opportunity to grow up and have kids of their own, then we must face the truth no matter how painful. Other than motivation, the only difference between a B1 dropping bombs on a civilian restaurant from 30,000 feet and someone flying a jetliner into an office building is the number of people that die.

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Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, ARDENT Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.

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» Dear Ardent Obama Supporter Posted by: rockpicker
Western myths
Posted by: zeofredo on Jun 11, 2008 9:21 AM   
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I've talked to dozens of people, strangers, friends... former friends... about their feelings concerning this war. Even if we can agree that it is improper, it is interesting to find that quite a lot of people are able to justify it nevertheless as a prerogative of Western power, which is still the best option in the global arena for ideas and human principles. Never mind that they are in complete denial of its transgressions... the acts of war and domination which are perpetuated by Westerners are seen as regrettable but essential tactics of advancement.

It is chilling for me to find that many well-educated, 'intelligent' people entertain these self-aggrandizing notions in complete ignorance that other forms of behaviour and belief exist in the world. Without countering this reality, we in the West are bound up together in a terribly delusional experience of righteousness.

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» What you said has allot of truth Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: Western myths Posted by: Lauren
NEWS FLASH: Pakistan fury over U.S. 'hot pursuit' attack
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 11, 2008 9:50 AM   
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- June 11, 2008.

Pakistan has expressed outrage at a U.S. airstrike in a disputed region along the Afghan border that it says killed 11 of its forces who were cooperating with the U.S.-led war on terror.

A Pakistani soldier patrols the mountain areas of the Pakistan and Afghanistan border in Mohmand.

The U.S. military said it carried out an airstrike and fired against "anti-Afghan forces" shortly after they attacked coalition forces in Afghanistan's Konar province on Tuesday. The military statement did not say where the airstrike occurred, but stressed that coalition ground forces did not cross into Pakistan.

A U.S. official with knowledge of the reports told CNN that Tuesday's airstrike targeted suspected militants who had fled into Pakistan after conducting an ambush on the Afghan side of the border.

The official said Pakistani military officials worked with the U.S. forces to track the militants as they fled across the border into Pakistan. He said the mission was permitted under the rules of engagement which allow "hot pursuit" across the border of suspected militants when locations are verified.

But Pakistan's military -- which described the airstrike as a "completely unprovoked and cowardly act" -- had a much different account of what happened.

The top spokesman for Pakistan army's Gen. Athar Abbas told CNN that the airstrike happened after U.S. forces were called in by Afghan troops who had engaged in a border clash with Taliban forces.

The Taliban forces fired on the Afghan troops as they tried to set up a checkpoint in a disputed area along the Afghan-Pakistan border, Abbas said.

The Afghan troops then called for help from the U.S.-led coalition forces, which carried out an airstrike on positions where Pakistani frontier corps forces were stationed, Abbas said.

Muhammad Amir Rana with the Institute of Peace said NATO troops also came to the area to assist Afghan soldiers.

Abbas said the airstrike killed 11 Pakistani forces, including a high-ranking major, and wounded seven others, he said.

Pakistan's military and Foreign Ministry have issued an official protest with the Tripartite Commission -- a group made up of senior military and diplomatic representatives from Afghanistan, Pakistan and the United States -- condemning the attack, Abbas said.

A Pakistani military statement said the strike "hit at the very basis of cooperation and sacrifice with which Pakistani soldiers are supporting the coalition in war against terror."

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Thanks. This is why we protested.
Posted by: mcubed on Jun 11, 2008 11:16 AM   
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Great Article.
It needs to be repeated over and over to drown out all the propoganda. How horrible that we don't seem to be able to learn from history, and repeat these atrocities with each generation. Iraqis and veterans of this war, their families, and their children are stuck dealing with this mess. The rest of us need to take responsibility for our action as a nation, and work to change this destructive pattern.

There were veterans from WWII, the Korean War, the Cold War, Vietnam, and Gulf War One at every protest I attended both before and after the invasion. Their stories should have been given greater weight in the media build up to war, but they were not.

Next time we need to listen to the veterans who are able and willing to speak honestly.

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One never has to read all of these, anymore . . .
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 11, 2008 11:43 AM   
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Two paragraphs - just the title, usually - tells you what its all about. The guy - or, even worse, girl - literally doesn't know what he's talking about. If he did, had he ever been in a real-life situation similar to one like the family against a Browing .50, he'd know the reason that Wild Bill Hickok once shot his best friend when the friend ran up behind him during a gunfight.

I'm a bodyguard. As my client and I approach a Wal-Mart one day, a shot is fired somewhere. Scanning the crowd around, I see a guy raising a handgun, muzzle toward my client and me. I have literally a split second to decide - that means take in all the circumstances, consider, shoot or don't shoot. I decide to shoot (I'm that fast), and I do. The guy with the gun goes down, struck and killed instantly by a .45 calibre slug hit on the upper lip.

I feel good (still alive, not wounded) - until I realize that my bullet went through the guy's head and killed the baby in the arms of a woman walking behind him.

Who's at fault? I - we - have to leave that up to guys (I guess) like Chris Hedges. And George W. Bush, Nancy Pelosi, and the like. They have all the answers where moral right and wrong are concerned.

Me? I'll be all right. I made up my mind before I started packing a piece that the guy who forces me to shoot is at fault for what happens. I'll be all right because I don't listen to all the hand-wringers who ring their hands for a political audience. I'll be all right because I've arranged my life in such a way that I can say what I want completely without fear of what the politically correct people think - there's not a damned thing meaningful anyone can do about it.

It was always that way. Always until we came to be ruled by the gossip and bimbo-babble of effeminacy. Men, the old-fashioned, before-"one-parent families"-and-the-rest-of-the-hallmarks-of-feminism kind, used to make up their minds, do what had to be done, and never look back.

No more - now we have to talk about it. Girls do that.

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» non-girlie talking Posted by: mcubed
» RE: non-girlie talking Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
» I'm with you, leafsong1. Posted by: Coleman
As long As Democrats choose to fund this murder our fate is sealed..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Jun 11, 2008 11:44 AM   
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Let's face it as long as the Democrats continue voting against the will of the majority of American people to fund the war and occupation of Iraq there is nothing we can do..

We have no voice and we have no representation our democracy and Republic have become a fraud..a mockery of all that our Founders intended...

With 35 Articles of Impeachment presented to the U.S. Congress and in each of those 35 Articles multiple sub divisions and multiple violations within each in many cases the Speaker of the House still chooses to violate her oath of office and disgrace America and allow it to become a lawless oligarchy..capable of anything including murder...

Vincent Bugliosi has already called for any prosecutor or attorney general of any state to charge G.W. Bus with the murders of any soldiers killed in Iraq from their given state and or county..

Think of how many that actually is nation wide yet not one has the guts or is of the opinion to do so..

Then again in truth we must all admit to ourselves that all war is murder..

That man is a failed species and nothing has changed in 6,000 years..

The Iraq war will prove along with the criminals who are pillaging our economy who John McCain represents and is a full accessory thereof will I believe bring us more wars and even greater murder..

We haven't seen the worst of it yet by far and failure to Impeach G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney will prove to be our fatal failing as a nation..

In the end we will all pay for this administration it's criminality and corruption and failure to trust in our Constitution the wisdom and intent contained therein it will be our ruin we have doomed ourselves with such pusillanimous individuals as Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi...who are the accessories and enablers of these murders and choose to spend billions to continue to fund it..

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We Never Learn
Posted by: ChairmanMetal on Jun 11, 2008 12:22 PM   
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This is Apocalypse Now all over again. The horror...the horror...

Except that no one is showing the film.

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» RE: We Never Learn Posted by: richholland
United States Marines are...
Posted by: JibreelRiley on Jun 11, 2008 12:30 PM   
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Heroes along with Sailors, Soldiers and Airman. President Bush will be remember in worlds history as someone who stood up to the greatest threat of our time.

jibreelkriley@gmail.com

I declare War

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Just Get Your American Passport and Apply For a Visa If Necessary And Buy a Rucksack And Travel
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 11, 2008 12:40 PM   
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Spread The Word Throughout The World That Americans Are Nice People

Thats What Europeans Have Been Doing For Generations And Our Kids Are Still Doing It Now

They Aren't Afraid To Hitch Hike Across South America, North America, Africa or Asia

Americans still do it - cos we meet them VERY occasionally

It used to be all the time before 9/11

People all over the World ARE NOT Going To Hate You - If You Just Approach Them nicely on a One to One Basis

Just Make Friends

It Ain't That Hard

Just Don't Go OTT - Trying To Prove That You Are in Some Way Better

Cos You Are Not

You Too Are Just a Human Being

And Ordinary People All Over The World Realise That It Is Not Ordinary People That Are Causing All The Problems - But Their Government and Religious Leaders

Sometimes you might not understand the local language and they might not understand English - so try a bit of French or Spanish and a bit of sign language and physical warmth

You will be Respected and Loved for showing your Humanity and Courage To Meet New Friends

It Really Is Not That Difficult and not expensive

Because once you get to wherever you are going you can live far more cheaply than the culture you have come from

I know an American who has spent the last 10 years travelling throughout the World

I've been trying to convince him to come back to England because he is a lovelyy person and a quite Brilliant Musician

But this year for the first time in 10 he is going to travel America

He has asked us to do it with him

But I'm not sure the US Authorities would let us - in - not that we have ever broken any laws - but they recently failed to admit some of our relations and friends who had also broken no laws and none of them looked like Osama Bin Ladin

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Too bad this wasn't brought up before
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 11, 2008 1:32 PM   
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It's too bad the so called "liberal" media that lapped up the lies didn't do this due diligence before this fiasco in Iraq started. In the fear filled months after 9-11 no one wanted to talk calmly & rationally, about what now, what next. The immediate response was the war cry and loudly at that. The truth is the reason that our government is hated in the middle east and other parts of this world is because our government has sponsored vicious dictators that have ravaged their country while demolishing and bankrupting the countries they rule. All under the watchful eyes of our government (e.g.-the Shah of Iran, Ferdinand Marcos, et.al) while we the people are fed the pablum of celebrity news. So that when a situation (9-11, the Iran hostages, etc.) arises we the people that have been kept ignorant of the real issues - cry out for revenge. Well, now that we have sent our children that have committed all sorts of unrighteous acts in our name come home - the true costs of this Mis-Adventure will come to us slowly. For those hawks that keep screaming for war - how about you go over there and bring your children with you. How about you experience just a little bit of that "it's only torture, if it makes you loose an organ" theory that you espouse. How about we really say no more, and this time let us act as though we really mean it. Let us call it what it really is IMPERIALISM for the CORPORATE ROBBERS and THEIR PATRONS!!!

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Maybe
Posted by: sirios on Jun 11, 2008 2:15 PM   
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A truely great article! maybe now we as"first time on two leg humans" are begining to see how destructive externally and internally war is.Maybe the collective conciousness of previous generations hardened themselves against their fear and pain, and accepted the lame excuse of patriotism and other brainwashing to live with their crimes of killing. Maybe now we are begining to see how we have squandered the gift of love and compassion that the mysterious grace of the universe has bestowed upon us. Maybe , just maybe.

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IMPEACH NOW! Or is America Dead?!
Posted by: johnbradleycopeland on Jun 11, 2008 2:41 PM   
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Is America Dead? If not, why is it that George Bush has Not been impeached?! Everyone who knows anything now knows that this Iraq invasion was totally a lie from the beginning!
Are "We the People" now made impotent by our own elected representatives who say "impeachment" is "off the table"! Call Pelosi and tell her and your own representatives what you think and keep calling and calling! Take back America! Vote 2008!

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So I'm angry, now what? Vote for Obama? Don't make me laugh.
Posted by: blogbooks on Jun 11, 2008 3:30 PM   
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We're powerless to do anything about this.

Global empire does not stop because a few peasants complain.

Get used to it and make sure you keep going to work and paying your credit cards or you'll be joining those homeless vets before you know it.

Peons.

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Blind Obedience
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jun 11, 2008 4:32 PM   
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A reader is left shaking his/her head over what they just read in this damning indictment (testimony) exposing our sins in Iraq.
Five years into this immoral occupation has made a mockery of all what America has stood for.
We like to think that we're the lords of good over evil, that we have the divine power to play God, deciding which country is to be invaded/conquered/occupied, etc. Soldiers, according to those quoted in this story, say they were "just following orders" and stood by idly watching brutality unfold in the tormented land. It's nothing more than blind obedience to the state.
And we're acting like cold-blooded mercenaries whose mangled, murky mission is unclear.
We're acting just like Caesar's, Richard III's, Napoleon's, Attila's, Hitler's and Zachary Taylor's troops who march relentlessly into foreign lands and exact a huge civilian death toll, just because they're considered subhuman and don't speak our language and live the way we do.
It's easy for some generals and high-ranking military men, with the help of ignorant politicians, to send soldiers into a country without prior knowledge of the people we are to slaughter.
On the homefront we lose interest if we don't win big or quick enough to appease the people. Well, it's been five years and it's starting to resemble Vietnam, the Soviet Union, China, Scotland, Afghanistan, and other lands which caused foreign armies to be tied down for years with no end in sight.
And we (I'm referring to the media) don't seem to be concerned with reporting on the staggering number of Iraqi war deaths and the daily air strikes against the civilians. Imagine if Harrisburg was subjected to daily air strikes, intimidating raids and columns of armored vehicles trudging down the Pennsylvania Turnpike.
Lastly, we need to change our culture of violence and get off this war kick and the subsequent false values of duty, honor, and patriotism. If we want to display courage, we would do better to love our children and one another. That would mean more than a chest full of medals.

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» RE: Blind Obedience Posted by: manumiso
To torment
Posted by: manumiso on Jun 11, 2008 4:39 PM   
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I've always read Mr. Hedges with great interest and anticipation. Here he is at his best. This particular work is built upon the indignation all decent people should feel upon coming to learn of the carnage our nation has wrought upon these lands and its life. I could only hope that the 'courage' so easily vociferated from the confines of TV studios and living room sofas by those who still support this 'war' would be matched with the courage - the real courage required to actually read this piece - knowing full well it will go against your beliefs. For the life of me I can't imagine the mental processes that produce continued approval for the incalculable suffering of this savagery.

Do they enjoy the torments?

Kudos to the courage of the cited soldiers in speaking out. This is the kind of courage to envy...

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I Posted The Kucinich Impeachment of Bush on a Major UK Website And it Is Being Completely Swamped
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 11, 2008 5:37 PM   
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When I posted pictures of Elizabeth

His Lovely Wife

And Everything I Knew About Her

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» Well Done Posted by: robbie.seal
Dennis Kucinich Gets The Full Support of The UK Media For Running For Vice President
Posted by: opmoc on Jun 11, 2008 6:49 PM   
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Elizabeth Kucinich is Going Down a Storm - and they Are Slowly Beginning To Realise The Complete and Utter Courage of Her Husband - For Doing What He Did Yesterday

The UK Press is Slowly Beginning to Wake Up

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Conundrum
Posted by: rockpicker on Jun 11, 2008 7:37 PM   
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When a bunker buster falls in the desert,
and no one shows you photos
of the shadows of the little bodies
etched in concrete walls,
is the wailing of mothers
still drowned out
by the whir
of rotors?

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Yeah, huzzah, hooray and uproar GOT DANDRUF AND SOMEOFITITCHES!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Jun 12, 2008 1:08 AM   
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One question however, can you keep this up? I am a jaded son of a bitch and I don't think you have it in you to stop these bastards before they invoke Satan and screw the planet up totally, I am speaking of the war mongering ultra-right Christ is WHITE Christians here.

You give these soldiers enough booze, drugs, sex and pan pipes and they will kill their sister for you. Been there, done that, WATCHED THAT MOVIE IN REAL LIFE! Till I don't want to see it any the fuck more can you dig it?

I have watched grown men blather in denial till they blow their brains out in a rollicking fit of Conscientious rage! All the time while they are doing this ranting they are babbling about; “What, me Worry?” And, “Shut the fuck up get out of my way and let me do the right thing!” All the while so fucked up drunken stoned, they can’t think their way out of a paper bag!


I am a VETERAN, you may not like my truth but I was fucking there! RA16843335 PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR SIRS! , never mind my rant just do something now you sound awake eyes open go for it all of you I will now join the front elsewhere.


These whole seething masses of human lemmings are headed for the edge breakneck folks find a niche in the line and sally forth! Do not let the Corporate Theocrats win your day! Christ was an Aramaic Jew boy with a heritage old and hoar long before the Romans and the KKK decided he was white!

The oil belongs to the Arabs let them keep it their way and decide for themselves who they will sell it to in this world.

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9/11 made this all possible
Posted by: rockpicker on Jun 12, 2008 8:31 AM   
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Denial and ridicule is a poor substitute for competent refutation.

Be aware of this:

http://yannone.blogspot.com/2008/06/
arizonas-state-senator-karen-johnson.html


The truth will out, whether the media help or not.

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Verifiable?
Posted by: motamanx on Jun 12, 2008 10:54 AM   
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How verifiable is the number of our troops who have committed suicide?Is this number, like, an official tally, or did Hedges make it up?

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HUH?
Posted by: terrymo on Jun 12, 2008 11:44 AM   
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Funny - this isn't what I heard from my son-in-law or two nephews. Of course, my son-in-law and one of my nephews are now dead; they are two of the author's "clay heroes." They can't defend themselves.

Of course we know that awful things happen in war. And I am NOT a defender of this war. But you make all our troops sound like soulless psychotics. Believe me, it is very far from the truth

Why do I bother? The commentors have already decided that our troops are sub-human brutes, culled from the depraved depths of our society. What they really are are our neighbors, the kids we played basketball with, the kid who babysat your kids.

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