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How Birthrate Is Turning Modern Conventional Warfare on Its Head

By Gary Brecher, Taki's Magazine. Posted May 26, 2008.


A bizarre new trend is emerging: traditional armed conquests are increasingly less effective, and countries with high birthrates have the edge.
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What was the most important battle of the late 20th century? You could argue it was the one that took place on the southern border of Morocco on November 6, 1975. Of course, we’re not talking about another Stalingrad here. In fact, what happened that day isn’t usually called a battle at all. Its official name is “The Green March.” On one side were 350,000 unarmed Moroccan civilians carrying green (Islamic) flags, and on the other -- miles inside the border, because they were hoping not to have to confront any of the marchers -- was a shaky, demoralized token force of Spanish troops pretending to defend a former Spanish colony, the Spanish Sahara.




The Spanish Sahara hangs below Morocco where the Sahara meets the Atlantic like a crumbling brick wall. It was about the least desirable chunk of coastal Africa around, with no water to speak of and a tiny population, which is why the Spanish got it. By the time the European powers were ready to divide up Africa in the late nineteenth century, Spain had long since lost its glory and tended to get the scraps and leftovers.



But one thing we’ve learned over the last century is that on this crowded, hungry planet, there’s no such thing as worthless land. Spanish Sahara has proven that: in the 30 years it’s belonged to Morocco, big money has been made from the fishing off the coast and the huge phosphate mine at Bou Craa, a hundred miles inland.



That’s why the Moroccan King Hassan II, a wily old sultan with friends in the CIA, decided it was worth his while to ship all those loyal subjects down to Morocco’s southern border, hand out little green flags for the cameras, and send them across the border toward those Spanish troops.



The Moroccans had to think outside the traditional military-conquest box, for the simple reason that Morocco’s armed forces are pathetic. They’re so bad their only contributions to military history have been in the “slapstick comedy” department. For instance, the Minister of Defense once tried to have fighters from the Moroccan Air Force kill Hassan II by shooting down his Boeing 727 as it came home from a foreign trip. They failed. Seriously: jet fighters failed to intercept and destroy a big, fat, slow civilian airliner even when they knew its exact flight path. A military like that pretty much has to resort to unarmed conquest, because its chances in a fair fight are zero.





Of course the Moroccans had the advantage of facing a weak, dispirited colonial Spain just at the moment the Spanish dictator, General Franco, finally got around to dying. If you’re old enough to recall those early SNL seasons, you probably remember Chevy Chase’s running joke, “This just in: General Franco still dead!” The reason that joke worked is that it took the old General a long time to die, and that meant that greedy up-and-coming regional powers like Morocco had plenty of time to plan ways of getting their hands on former Spanish colonies.



It may not have been very exciting for combat fans, but it was an extremely effective invasion. The Spanish troops didn’t fire a shot. The marchers walked over the border, got sand in their shoes, shouted about how this sacred patch of waterless, flat desert was now an integral part of the Kingdom of Morocco, and went back home. And since then, the Spanish Sahara has been dominated by Morocco, although the local guerrilla army, POLISARIO, gave them some serious problems for a while.



What makes this weird episode my nominee for “Most Significant Battle of the Era” is that it showed the new way of winning disputed territory. If there’s one thing that we should have learned over the past hundred years, it’s that traditional armed conquests are getting less and less effective. This is one of the most surprising twists in all military history. All through the nineteenth century, the European powers, led by the British and French, took the land they wanted on the grounds that they had better military technology, transport and organization. Locals who disputed that notion tended to disappear as casualties of inevitable progress. And that was just an updated version of what had been happening all over the world for thousands of years: bigger, stronger tribes displace and wiped out weaker tribes whenever they could. That was the norm, even in pre-contact North America, where the Navajo were displacing the Ute in the American Southwest long before the white guys showed up.





Now, even though the balance in conventional warfare is if anything tilting further toward the first world, the technologically advanced and organized countries are in retreat, and the former victims are pushing back, not just claiming their old territories but infiltrating the former colonizers’ countries. What matters now is morale, national will. The Spanish didn’t have it, and the Moroccans did. So even though the Spanish troops could have wiped out those unarmed marchers, they failed to open fire. Weapons are only weapons if you’re willing to use them. A technologically advanced army without the will to fire is no army at all.



Only us dedicated war nerds seem to realize how weird this is, how totally unprecedented in military history. Until the 20th century, the problem wasn’t usually getting militarily superior forces to open fire -- it was getting them to stop before the weaker tribe, army or country was totally wiped out. I don’t know of a single case, before the 20th century, of a militarily superior tribe or nation lacking the will to defend its territory, or for that matter, take the territory of weaker neighbors.



The 20th century was the big turning point. New powers like Germany and Japan tried to imitate the older colonial powers of the 19th century and suffered total, disastrous defeat, even though they usually prevailed on the battlefield. That’s the weird lesson of the two world wars: military superiority in the narrow sense just doesn’t cut it any more. Despite the total battlefield dominance of the Wehrmacht (and to a lesser extent the Imperial Japanese forces), Germany and Japan ended the war not just without additional territory but with their home territories in ruins, their cultures gelded, their birthrates for generations to come among the lowest in the world.





Even the older colonial powers, Britain and France, finished the century in big trouble, without the will to resist the immigrants from the colonies they’d once ruled. We’re at a very strange moment militarily: our weapons still work but our will is gone.



The colonies that were established earliest are the most successful. For example, northern North America, now the U.S. and Canada, passed into permanent possession of the European settlers (or so it seemed, until recently). Two things determined this: first, they were settled in the 17th and 18th century, before conscience set in, and because most of the native population had been relatively tiny groups of hunter-gatherers (which also holds true for Australia, though it was settled much later). Everywhere else -- in Latin America, Africa, Asia -- the locals have been pushing back the colonizers without coming close to what old-style military theorists would call military superiority. That’s what we’re seeing now in South Africa, and more slowly in Europe and the southern United States. In other places, especially those colonized by the French (who were never as good at it as the Brits), huge colonial populations were totally eliminated, like the million-plus French residents of Algeria.



So there’s a shocking lesson that military buffs have been slow to face: military superiority doesn’t matter nearly as much right now as birthrate and sheer ruthless will.




Ah, birth rate -- funny how it’s become such a taboo subject for both Left and Right. The Lefties wouldn’t dream of telling third-world people to limit their baby-making, and most right wingers can’t bring themselves to endorse birth control even if it could slow the destruction of their own countries.



So birth rate is a weapon without a counter-weapon right now. So it tends to win. The Moroccans made it clear that the Green March was all about birth rate. The number of “volunteers” they sent to the border was 350,000, exactly the number of births per year in Morocco. So this was basically a ”Lebensraum” argument like the one the Germans tried earlier in the century. You might have heard about that one, a little dust-up called the Eastern Front. And you might be saying right now that if any policy ever failed decisively, it was the Nazis’ attempt to elbow themselves a little living space from Stalin. Which is totally true. But the Nazis tried it the old-fashioned way, with armed conquest.




To succeed in the post-1918 world, the world Woodrow Wilson dreamed up where “small nations” have rights even if they can’t defend them, you need to use slower, less obviously military methods, like birthrate and immigration. The classic example of this kind of slow conquest is Kosovo. The Serbs could always defeat the Albanians on the battlefield, even when outnumbered, but the Albanians had a huge advantage in the most important military production of all -- babies. According to the BBC, the birthrate of Kosovo Albanians 50 years ago was an amazing 8.5 children per woman.



The Serb/Albanian conflict offers damn near perfect lab conditions to prove my case that birth rate trumps military prowess these days, because the Serbs always beat the Albanians in battle, yet they’ve lost their homeland, Kosovo. Here again, we can blame Woodrow Wilson and his talk about “rights.” In places where tribes hate each other, a tribe that outbreeds its rival will become the majority, even if it can’t fight. So, after generations of skulking at home making babies, letting the Serbs do the fighting, the Albanians finally became the majority in Kosovo and therefore the official "good guys," being oppressed by the official "bad guys," the Serbs. At least that’s the way the nave American Wilsonian types like Clinton saw it. So when the Serbs fought back against an Albanian rebellion in Kosovo, and dared to beat the Albanians, Clinton decided to bomb the Serbs into letting go of Kosovo, the ancient heartland of a Christian nation that had spent its blood holding off the Turks for hundreds of years.





The Kosovo Albanians proved that military skill doesn’t matter, because they tried and failed to conquer Kosovo the old-fashioned way: armed rebellion by the Kosovo Liberation Army. It was a wipeout: local Serb militias, a bunch of tired middle-aged part-timers and cops, crushed the KLA. What happened next is a beautiful illustration of the way losers win these days: the Albanians took the bodies of KLA men who’d been killed in battle, stripped all weapons and ammo from them, and showed them to gullible Western reporters as victims of a Serb “massacre.” It was a massacre, all right, but only because the KLA couldn’t fight worth a damn. Alive and armed, they were a joke; dead and disarmed, they helped win Kosovo by making their side the "victims," which led directly to U.S. military intervention.



To win the way the Albanians won in Kosovo, you need to make a lot of babies. It’s that simple. And to see how it works, you have to drop the namby-pamby liberal idea that people only have babies out of “love.” In lots of places on this planet, baby-making is a form of weapons production.




In some places, it’s open policy. For example, in Palestine there’s an all-out birthrate war going on between the Palestinians and the Israelis. And one of the most frustrating things about this kind of struggle, from the Israeli perspective, is that the worse you make life for the people in the occupied zones, the more kids they have. The Gaza Strip, for instance, has one of the highest fertility rates in the world outside Africa, at 5.6 kids per woman.



The rate for Israeli overall is about 2.8 children per woman, high for a rich country. But the most amazing rates anywhere, even higher than for the Gaza Palestinians, are in the most extreme Zionist groups, the Haredi “ultra-orthodox” Jews. Until recently they averaged eight or nine children per woman. There was actually a big panic in the Israeli settler press when news hit that their rate had dropped to a mere 7.7 kids per woman.



That’s actually higher than the rate for Mali (7.38 per woman), which has the highest birthrate in the world.



The settlers don’t hide the fact that they’re producing as many kids as they can in order to change the demographics of “Greater Israel” in their favor -- above all to make sure the Palestinians never become the majority.



What’s interesting is that there were plenty of voices in the ultra-Orthodox community in favor of using Israel’s military superiority to settle the problem the old-fashioned way, by expelling or wiping out the Palestinians. Those people lost out; their leader, Meir Kahane, was assassinated by an Egyptian cabbie in New York, but he’d lost the debate long before he died. You just can’t get away with those methods these days, not even with every born-again Baptist Zionist in Texas backing you to the hilt.



If you want an example closer to home, just go to Northern Ireland where the Protestant majority the border was designed to maintain has been getting smaller and smaller, thanks to the higher birthrate among Catholics. As of 2001, the Catholics were about 46% of the population, up from 35% in 1961.



But as the dreaded “Catholic Majority” date approaches, a funny thing is happening up in Ulster: the Catholic birth rate is slowing down even faster than the Protestant rate. This always happens when a tribe breaks out of its slums into the middle class. This illustrates one of the real brain-twisters of contemporary demographic struggle: if you really hate the enemy tribe, the best thing you could do would be to make them rich. Rich people don’t have nearly as many kids. Of course there are exceptions like the Ultra-Orthodox Israelis, who are fairly well-off and just dedicated to making as many kids as possible, but generally, money distracts people from starting big families. So the old methods of keeping down the enemy tribe are usually counterproductive. If the Ulster hotheads like Ian Paisley had had their way and kept the Catholics down in the slums, their birthrate over the past 30 years would have been much higher and they’d be ready to stage a Kosovo-style “majority rule” coup like the Albanians did against the Serbs, complete with the USAF blowing up every television tower in Belfast like we did to the ones in Belgrade, just to teach those Serbs a lesson: “No TV till you let your little Albanian brother have Kosovo!”



Makin'em rich is the only way you’re going to settle the kind of conquest-by-immigration we’re seeing now in Europe and North America. Nobody will even say honestly how many illegal immigrants there are in the U.S. right now, but just from what I see driving to work, I’m inclined to go with the higher estimates, something up to 20 million people who snuck in from Mexico and points south looking for work.



As far as I know, nobody’s claiming the Latino immigrants decided to have a lot of kids as a way of reconquering Texas and California, the way the Israeli settlers are doing. La reconquista, if it happens, will be an unforeseen result of rising birth rates and falling death rates for countries like Mexico that are just moving up from the third world to, say, the second-and-a-halfth.



By 1970, Mexico was at that dangerous stage where there’s just enough basic medical care to keep people alive, so death rates are falling sharply, but people are still poor enough to want a lot of kids. Between 1970 and 2000, the Mexican population doubled, from 48 million to 98 million. So on one side of the Rio Grande you had a lot of young poor people, and on the other, a lot of money and companies eager for cheap labor. And a muddy little creek like the Rio Grande wasn’t nearly wide enough to keep those two groups apart.





As the population of Mexico increased and the living standard rose, the fertility rate actually went into an amazing dive, to the point that the rate for Mexican women now is only 2.39 kids per woman, just two places up from Israel’s 2.38.



And the only thing that’s brought the Latino birthrate down -- in their home countries, not among the ones who immigrated to the U.S. -- is getting enough money that peasant families start thinking of themselves as consumers, and get more excited about buying a new truck or a flat-screen TV than having little Jos.



This is all pretty slow to unfold, compared to traditional military conquest. Birth rate takes decades to have an effect; the Albanian victory in Kosovo is the result of birth rates from the mid-20th century. And in some parts of the world, like the US and Europe, immigrants have a history of being absorbed by the locals rather than sticking to the old tribal hatreds in the style of the Balkans and the Middle East. It’s a cultural deal, after all, not racial. Studies of the U.S. Hispanic population show that within a generation or two, most American Hispanics are ranting about policing the borders and keeping those damn immigrants out of the country. What’s really weird -- and I can testify to this from my own experiences growing up -- is when the local culture infiltrates the immigrants, like the fact that Mexicans in the U.S. are deserting the Catholics and becoming born-again Protestants. Go to any of the younger, feister churchers in the U.S. like the Church of the Nazarene and you’ll see lots of Mexican families with plenty of kids, singing old Scottish hymns in Tex-Mex English. In fact, I ran into a really hilarious article by a U.S. Baptist writer who worried that the Baptist birthrate is going down while the Nazarenes are having babies at a rate of three-plus per woman. So the nightmare scenario that anti-immigrant bloggers are always predicting, where the U.S. turns into one giant Mexico, might end up being true in what you might call “racial” terms -- I mean, your second-grade class photo might be two-thirds Hispanic -- but those Hispanic faces would have absorbed a whole born-again American world picture that actually comes from the Scots-Irish who settled the American south hundreds of years ago.





This is one point where people’s anxiety over these slow, demographic conquests splits according to their real fears: do you just not want to see that kind of face when you go outside, or do you not want to import the culture of the immigrants’ home country? The whole debate right now is so censored, so totally dishonest on both sides, that nobody will come clean about which it is. I suspect for some people it’s the faces: they want the faces on their street to be the same shape and color they were when they were growing up. If that’s what you want, then no matter where you are, I can guarantee that if you’re rich enough to worry about things like this (as opposed to where your next meal’s coming from), then yup, you definitely have grounds for worry. People move around to where the food is, the money, the good grazing, the jobs. The Germanic tribes who moved in on Europe a couple millennia back took a more reasonable view; they called wars “the movements of the peoples.” The Huns push the Goths off the steppe, and boom! Next thing you know, the Goths are wiping out a Roman army at Adrianople.



The faces are going to change. We are in a new military-historical era, in which the only states with the sheer will to resist slow “conquest” by immigration were the Stalinist states. Of course they didn’t have much of a problem there anyway -- not too many immigrants trying to sneak into North Korea or the old USSR -- but even if they had faced real demographic challenge, they had the will to open fire. The Berlin Wall is a nasty case in point, where the will was used to stop people leaving.





But those Stalinist states are not exactly a growth industry these days, and no liberal democratic state has the will to shoot down unarmed people trying to get in (or out, for that matter). Even the Israelis, who are maybe the fiercest first-worlders on demographic issues, don’t shoot the poor Africans who cross to Beersheba for jobs in the cafes. They just send them back to Sudan to be shot there.



So the movement of the peoples, the slow demographic wars, are going to go on. We just don’t have a counter-move, except maybe bombarding poor people with money to stay home. Basically, no matter where you are, the complexions and the features you see on the streets are going to change. If it’s any consolation to face-fascists, Europeans got their licks in first, so to speak. Not many African-Americans around with pure African blood; not many Mexican Indians without some Spanish in them. So now the faces blend the other way.



For most people the real worry, if they were allowed to even say it out loud, is culture: if you’re French, you really don’t want Paris turning into Kinshasa, because let’s be honest, Kinshasa is a Hellhole. If you’re English, you don’t want London turning into Karachi, because Karachi is a nightmare. If you’re American, you don’t want Houston -- oh Hell, ever been to Houston? If you have half a brain, you don’t want Houston at all, the lousy sweatbox.



The thing is, most of the people who invaded from those places tend to agree with you. That’s why they moved in the first place. Nobody knows what a Hellhole the Congo is like a Congolese. I read somewhere that on the Congo riverboats, they have these slang terms for the different decks. The first-class deck they call “Europe.” The second-class deck is “China,” meaning not that great, but livable. The third-class deck is “Congo,” and nobody wants to be there, least of all the Congolese.

So to assess your situation in terms of the new conquests, you have to decide whether you’re in a Kosovo -- two tribes hating each other forever, turning out babies as weapons -- or that Congolese riverboat, where nobody wants it too “authentic” if they can help it. There’s a lot of blurring and overlap between those two models, sure. Take Northern Ireland: a lot of yelling, a lot of noisy tribal hate, but I just don’t think they have it in them to be another Kosovo. Too interested in TV and cars.



That’s what’s funny about the debate right now: the diehards in the U.S. and Europe wish we had the old ruthless will to seal the borders, but the “weakness” of the advanced countries generally works pretty well to turn the immigrants into immigrant-hating locals in a generation or two. The old model, bayonets on the border, isn’t even in the running. Time to face that fact. So the faces will change.





If you can handle these new faces, you’re likely to be surprised to see your “weak” American or European culture win out, slowly, un-gloriously but surely, and you may live long enough to see a whole new crop of pols who look like they just came from Karachi or Kinshasa until you turn the sound on and hear them ranting about how we need to get rid of all these damn immigrants.


This articles was originally published in Taki's Magazine, the online magazine for independent conservatives, edited by Taki Theodoracopulos.

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Surprising article to have on Alternet of all places
Posted by: blogbooks on May 26, 2008 1:48 AM   
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"As far as I know, nobody’s claiming the Latino immigrants decided to have a lot of kids as a way of reconquering Texas and California, the way the Israeli settlers are doing."

www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25337

The "Aztlan" movement has been around for decades and is fairly well known 'round these here internets.

The reason I am surprised to see this article on Alternet is because the fellow's central argument seems to be "brown people are out breeding white people, overwhelming their native populations, and taking their countries." While true, that just doesn't seem like the sort of message Alternet likes to put out.

The article doesn't make a judgment as to whether this observation is good or bad, and neither do I. However, I am still shocked to see this "observation" on Alternet's front page for reasons that should be obvious.

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I'm glad to see this article in Alternet
Posted by: DrGeneNelson on May 26, 2008 3:58 AM   
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Population increases only work as a weapon when food is cheap and abundant. High populations become a liability when food becomes scarce. The "green revolution" is the story of how petroleum boosted food production. In the era of "peak oil," prices are climbing ever higher, which makes this strategy riskier.

The fundamental problem is soaring populations, far in excess of the carrying capacity of the local economy.

We are the only species that can develop an accurate model of the future. http://www.Census.gov shows the current world population at 6.67 billion on 26 May 2008. The world population has doubled in about 40 years.

Eventually, the world population will be forced to match available resources. Absent voluntary (or coerced) population control, the means include war, famine, and disease. The latter three are painful. With its rapidly rising population, will the U.S. be able to deploy food supplies as a foreign policy tool?

While there were futurists and environmentalists who raised concerns about U.S. overpopulation in the 1970s, they were shouted down by special interests who understood the concept "overpopulation is profitable - or politically advantageous." Labor gluts drive down middle-class wages. Population gluts drive up the price of the necessaries of life. Usually, the economic beneficiaries of overpopulation are members of the economic elite.

I remember a bumper sticker from about 40 years ago, "condoms, not condominiums." Will our species understand these concepts before it is too late? For a dismal prediction, see Jean Raspail's 1973 novel, "Camp of the Saints."

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new trend???????????
Posted by: tommyjonq on May 26, 2008 4:38 AM   
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where have you been? this has been the case in the west for over 350 years. do five minutes of research before you write an "article," please.

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I'll grant you that, so far, white males are the top predators, but they weren't the only ones. Mongols, Mayans, and Aztecs, off the top of my head, were pretty good at conquering and enslaving.
ps; "Dances With Wolves" was a Hollywood creation and therefore probably should not be seen as historical fact, no matter how enlightened the point of view of the movie.

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correction
Posted by: CCridr on May 26, 2008 5:17 AM   
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The Lefties wouldn’t dream of telling third-world people to limit their baby-making


Where'd you get this bit, imbecile? I'm a proud "Leftie", and I won't hesitate to say it, to any country on earth.

The planet needs about 90% fewer humans on it, and if we never move in that direction willingly, Gaia will push back and handle it for Her own good, and the good of every other living thing, for us. The greatest reductions should occur at the largest collections, so actually, places like India and Asia, and also Africa, are the worst contributers.

This is currently happening in a variety of ways, from global warming severe weather destruction, to destructive mental disorders linked to persistent chemical pollution that we introduced. Gaia is repaying us for raping and poisoning her, by making us sick and crazy so we'll implode culturally, and by using severe weather to wipe us out too. It's not spite on Her part though, it's simply self-preservation.

After that ridiculous comment by the author, I will henceforth skip over, as fast as possible, anything I see by this "writer." And not a bad article up until I reached that open pit in the road, at which point I took the next exit. Here.

The problem with any suggestion of population "control", is that one, every organism from amoebas on up, is wired to reproduce, as nearly the only purpose in life. Right after breathe, eat, and sleep. And two, if you try to force it, how could you ever do it fairly? You can't, so the only method would have to be public education campaigns, and hoping that people do it voluntarily.

George Carlin said, "we're just like a bad case of fleas on the earth's back, and she's trying to shake us off..." Or something very similar.

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» Yes indeed Posted by: Last Chance
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» RE: you're glad? Posted by: kiatoa
» RE: you're glad? Posted by: 2dogarage
namby-pamby
Posted by: CCridr on May 26, 2008 5:34 AM   
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the namby-pamby liberal idea that people only have babies out of 'love.'


You are clearly incapable of forming logical conclusions, rational thought, and of distinguishing reality from parroted rightwing blowhard propaganda and "talking" points.

I actually prefer it when the rightwing monkeys wear a flashing light for the thinking world, dropping these juvenile little nuggets so often. It makes it dead-simple easy then, for me to ID your indefensible bias from first contact, and mark you off as nobody worth paying attention to ever again.

Also a shame, because I usually like the stuff SoftSkull prints, but why they're doing your "book", is beyond me.

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It's late, but I hope not too late
Posted by: Last Chance on May 26, 2008 5:33 AM   
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for people to consciously decide to live in balance with their environment, rather than allow themselves to be tossed about and ruined by the madness of human history, like Native Americans at the mercy of the European population explosion, or the Serbs in Kosovo overwhelmed by Albanian immigrants, or we U.S. citizens invaded by the growing populations of Latin America, etc.

It's wonderful news that the Russian population is crashing back to its Czarist numbers, so perhaps northern Asia can return to its natural order of wilderness. If the rest of the World does likewise, the general result will be plenty of resources for everyone -- except I know the robber barons hate this because only a growing population can grow their economy and keep them rich and powerful. But humanity has the choice of living in balance or massively polluting the Earth beyond redemption, as with the tons of garbage in the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans. The Earth is a living biosphere. If it dies, we all die.

Women are the key. Given the right to decide if and when and how many children to birth, only a few will choose many, a few will choose none, but the great majority will choose no more than 1, 2 or 3, which brings the village, tribe and nation back into balance with the surrounding wilderness, the source of all our Earthly treasures. If Saving the Earth

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I can smell 'em before I even see 'em
Posted by: CCridr on May 26, 2008 5:40 AM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Brecher

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» RE: Yes, but... Posted by: oregoncharles
A new low?
Posted by: loxias on May 26, 2008 6:09 AM   
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Nah Alternet dwells down here now. They're just training us for the future, though, so get on board. It helps if you grab a quick lobotomy before you read.

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I've been . . .
Posted by: Scientz on May 26, 2008 6:41 AM   
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. . . reading the "War Nerd" for years on eXile. Rarely is this stuff done so entertainingly . . . kudos AlterNet, "Brecher" should be printed here more often.

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Why Should Anyone Have a Problem with The Truth?
Posted by: opmoc on May 26, 2008 6:46 AM   
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This article just says it as it is bluntly. The way to solve overpopulation is to bring people out of poverty. The worse you make it for them the more kids they have.

The UK went to war with Germany so that we weren't invaded by a load of German Nazi's. We shouldn't have bothered cos our Government behaves like a bunch of Nazi's and we've had massive cultural change anyway through immigration.

What exactly is the point of having Nuclear Weapons or Aircraft Carriers? What are we defending? The invasion has already happened. Or are we just going to use Military Power to rob and steal? Surely Iraq proves that this policy simply doesn't work.

Rather than using economic and military force to drive the poorest in the World into the ground - such that they make even more babies - we should be attempting to bring them out of poverty cos then they will have far fewer kids.

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marry a boy with a deep tan
Posted by: Gregory Kruse on May 26, 2008 7:01 AM   
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I'm encouraging my daughter to marry a boy with a deep tan. Skin with lots of melanin in it will be most desireable in the future of this planet. Cultural differences could be a problem but that IS the problem of the future for breeding pairs. If humans are to survive at this level of population, they will eventually homogenize. Eventually, every human will look about the same, like wildebeests and zeebras do.

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» RE: marry a boy with a deep tan Posted by: oregoncharles
POPULLUTION
Posted by: crazy carlos on May 26, 2008 7:07 AM   
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Population is and has been the overridding problem for at least 50 years and it really has been an interesting read today . So many different takes on its scope and size as well as many thoughtful comments. I look forward to see this theme developed further by more concerned citizens. population excess is the 800 lb Gorilla that no one addresses in public.

Great comments by several thoughtful pessoas.

Crazy Carlos

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I guess this is as good of reason to throw the rubbers away
Posted by: sausage on May 26, 2008 7:21 AM   
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So fuck for (insert name of your favorite deity, cult, superstition or political hallucination here)!

(Insert name of your favorit deity, cult, superstition or political hallucination here)needs the soldiers!

Worldwide humanity's so fucked up that if an asteroid hit the Earth and killed every living thing on the surface, it would come as a welcome relief.

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» totally! Posted by: ptown
» Which deity are you... Posted by: sausage
Why do poor people think large families are beneficial?
Posted by: ptown on May 26, 2008 7:38 AM   
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Why do poor people think large families are beneficial? I've never understood how the folks who could afford children the least are the ones to pop out the most? What is missing in their rational thought? I know I can't feed and comfortably house 5 children but I will breed them anyway because ______________ ??

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» OK, that's enough pfeiffer999 Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: False dichotomy Posted by: HoboHomo
» RE: False dichotomy Posted by: ptown
» sorry, typo... Posted by: ptown
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» Please READ what I write or DON'T Reply Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Why are these serious ideas left to this snarky voice?
Posted by: janvdb on May 26, 2008 7:40 AM   
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There are important points raised by this article but its nasty tone only further stigmatizes them.

It looks like this guy is an alterego (and decoy to draw fire, apparently) created by John Dolan, the editor of a National Enquirer-cum-Spectator rag called The Exile published by gutter-dwelling outcasts landed in the crime-riddled chaos of today's Moscow.

Too bad. Some of these points, if researched, underpinned and broached correctly, would help a great deal in pointing a way through the next 50 years, when much of what the writer brings up will become quite salient.

Jan VanDenBerg

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mutton dressed as lamb
Posted by: seamus on May 26, 2008 7:42 AM   
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Thanks for describing Irish Catholics as a "tribe", not at all condescending.
Ironic that you somehow figure out that outbreeding is a new concept as if germanic tribes in Northern Europe had never thought of having lots of babies when the roman empire was in decline.
Even more ironic to write this when the effects of overpopulation are becoming so obvious in the form of higher food prices.
Why do you think the US government is funding chastity programmes and the French government is giving tax breaks to families who have lots of kids?
This article is old news, and the attempt to make it palitable for a left-wing audience is feeble.

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If the "Reconquista" succeeds???
Posted by: ptown on May 26, 2008 7:59 AM   
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If the "Reconquista" succeeds, who will be the doctors, the lawyers, the dot-commers, the engineers, the scientists??

With 50% of all Latino youth dropping out of high school, the folks hoping for a reconquista will only recreate all the problems they tried to leave behind in Mexico here.

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» D'uh! Hey! Rush..... Posted by: sausage
» exactly!! Posted by: ptown
I just finished reading the above essay
Posted by: sausage on May 26, 2008 8:23 AM   
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Usually after making one snide and caustic comment I leave it alone.

But after really reading Gary Brecher's essay I decided to re-post.

What really is appalling is the Western world's lack of historical perspective. I include the Japanese in "Western world" because their government has assiduously embarked on a campaign of re-writing World War II history, to the point of whitewashing crimes such as the sack and rape of Nanking. Thusfar our erstwhile German foes have staunchly resisted any attempt to portray Hitler as a misunderstood house-painter.

Neocolonialism is failing because weapons technology is flat. No one, no nation, no continent has any small, human-held weapon system that is any better than any other. A Congolese with a gun is as dangerous as an American Marine with a gun.

One reason the ancient Roman Empire succeeded was, besides better weapons and military training, and the ruthlessness to use it, that once inside the borders economic conditions and trade improved for the conquered people. Look at the United State's most successful colonies, Germany, Japan and South Korea that benefit by being within America's imperial Limes.

However nineteenth century imperialism was based on weapons technology superiority, which soon mutated into "racial" superiority, and extraction. George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq is squarely based on the nineteenth century imperialist model of conquest, demoralization of the indigenous population and extraction of wealth. It cannot ever work.

Not that America should embark on further world conquests, we should renounce it, but work to narrow the gap between rich and poor. While there was great wealth and poverty in the Roman Empire, economically it was infinitely better for the average Gaius than the barbarian lands to the north and east. Which is why your average barbarian wanted a piece of the action.

Really nothing's changed all that much since Rome officially fell in AD 476; the poor of the world yet want within the Limes and the wealthy want them kept out. Yet there is a difference. Whereas the Roman barbarian invasions were very real the current "barbarian" invasions is a chimera, created by the people who really run this world to keep the rest of us off balance, confused and under their control.

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The author's arguements are bizarre and far fetched but I agree with the second half
Posted by: minotauromachy on May 26, 2008 9:18 AM   
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My views on the Brecher's article are much too long to publish here. I blog about it in detail at my own political blog -
http://icanhasfreedoms.blogspot.com/

Take a look and tell me what you think. Our blog is in the middle of our own debate about the whole immigration issue as well as other hot button political issues.

Essentially I think his points about a invasion of the breeders is laughable but his thoughts on the process of assimilation are more accurate.

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This may become moot
Posted by: bluepilgrim on May 26, 2008 9:25 AM   
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Between endocrine disruptors, pesticides, depleted uranium, and rest of the chemical and radioactive polluters spreading everywhere -- plus global climate change, genetic modification, species loss -- the entire environment being radically altered -- falling birthrates and survival everywhere could do in the human species within a century or so.

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Ans. to "Why do poor people think lots of children are beneficial?"
Posted by: GPFrank on May 26, 2008 11:04 AM   
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1. Children are the only social security and source of labor in agriculture and house bound sweatshops
2. The cultural lag from previous generations of
mortality in epidemics and disability promoting diseases such as malaria.

3. Birth rate also as a weapon on the micro scale: to outdo the neighbors .Families become tribes.

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Ask the wrong questions, get the wrong answer
Posted by: ReallyBearish on May 26, 2008 11:19 AM   
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The population appologists here ask the question: how many people can the earth support. Wrong question. Population studies with other organisms clearly demonstrate that a population crash occurs well before the resources run out. The idea of straining resources leading to population problems is an error on both sides of the argument.

We're clearly at a point of too many people, resources not withstanding. The first clue is runaway worldwide inflation. David Hackett Fischer, in his book THE GREAT WAVE, pointed out that the prime cause of inflation is population pressures.

The second problem for population appologists is that of natural disaster. We've always had earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, etc. The result is far worse when we have more population pressures. The biggest earthquake in the United States was the one at New Madrid, MO in the early 1800s. It was so powerful that it changed the course of the Mississippi in some places, and it rang church bells on the east coast. If that earthquake happened today, more than a million people would die, along with countless billions of property damage loss.

Third problem is global warming and climate change. If we had half the population we do now, this is unlikely to have been a problem.

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» Religious crapola Posted by: ReallyBearish
What lack of will?
Posted by: JayHaden on May 26, 2008 11:27 AM   
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The Bush/Cheney admin managed to stall removal of our forces from Iraq while the Shiites and Sunnis butchered each other in Baghdad. We stand by while the Sudanese government uses some mercenaries to cleanse Darfur. We use mercenaries to do our dirty work with impunity, out of sight and responsibility. We dither while the Hutus eradicate 3/4 of a million Tutsis in Rwanda. The Republicans dither while a hurricane-caused flood empties New Orleans of Democrats. We hesitate, and hesitate, while the Burmese generals allow a million inhabitants of their most fertile lands to starve to death (somehow oil has to be involved). And, in case there is doubt that we still have the will, we are encouraging our own militias to bolster our borders and local informants to separate hard working immigrants from their families.

No, sir, we have the will to use force against the cultura non grata -- and the brains to enlist others as our proxies in its applications. Not just in proxy wars but proxy disasters, proxy despots and proxy mercenaries.

The Kosovars, in refuting just one of your examples, were in fact being wiped out by the Serbs. Not only were they being killed, they were being routed up the mountains into Albania. At the same time, the Serbs were destroying all geographic reference points from bench marks to cadastral maps, so no returning Kosovar could ever identify his property. Only our political need to demonstrate empathy with a muslim population, after Bosnia and in advance of the implementation of the neo-con plan for the Middle East, put a halt to the ethnic cleansing.

Mister writer, your writings are little more than an intellectual Trojan horse, as most seemingly-rational right wing rants are.

You get a twofer here: (1) an opportunity to denounce poor rural populations that have more children because of historically high death rates and demands of farm life and (2) an opportunity to plant the idea among our own hoi polloi that maybe we need even tougher, more ruthless leadership (that would be all the way up to the President) that will see clearly the danger posed by hard scrabble immigrants and will do what needs to be done without any liberal compunction or empathy.

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"Hungry Planet"
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on May 26, 2008 11:51 AM   
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I absolutely agree that the old way of doing war is passe - just look at Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq - however we haven't begun to feel the lack of food and lack of water effects on over-populated poor communities. These great populations will riot for awhile and then starve as we are beginning to see in Haitii, Africa, China, India - the direct result of global warming, overpopulation, poor land and water management, desertification and so forth. Wealthy areas won't fight, they'll withdraw to their walled farms and headwaters and let the masses eat dirt. The "benefits" of over-population will be VERY, if dramatically, short lived.

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Population as a weapon a new concept? Surely you're joking
Posted by: charles000 on May 26, 2008 12:22 PM   
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The only comment that this rather wordy, verbose article merits is in the form of a question - are you suggesting that utilization of population growth as a strategic weapon is new, bizarre?

You can't possibly be that devoid of even basic knowledge of history. From the earliest days of tribal existence, population growth has always been the number one strategy for power, and for very obvious reasons.

If I have more people, I dominate, with larger armies, broader range of influence for future colonization and trade, and so on. Nothing could possibly be more obvious.

However, I will absolutely agree with you that this old, primordial stratagem is no longer viable in a world where the carrying capacity for sustainable equilibrium was already passed 20+ years ago.

The tragedy here is that no matter how carefully you wish to word this supposedly "new" revelation, the people and entities who actually need to understand this never will, because in essence, you are attempting to inject 21st centaury consciousness into an ancient culture that does not care about the planet or its future - their view is now and forever will be focused on the tiny. microscopic myopia of their own localized self interests.

That is, unfortunately, the real problem here.

Happy pondering

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interesting topic, uninspiring prose
Posted by: cocozane on May 26, 2008 12:24 PM   
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I liked the article despite the elementary-book style of the author's prose. I was expecting a text that would strengthen, and not trivialize, the author's perspective.

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Establish thou the work of our hands. Yea, the work of our hands, establish thou it.
Posted by: Sojourner on May 26, 2008 1:49 PM   
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The Old Testament psalm defines the goal, the meaning of life. Our hope is that what we spent our days working for prevails over time. That’s what it means to be “strong.”

Sometimes “power” can be used in the service of strength and sometimes it undermines our strength. As comments up-thread indicate, bigger populations don’t always work to guarantee strength. Lots of people can turn into too many people. Our pursuit of power is poisoning the planet.

Too many people still cannot or will not see that, and so the old patterns of eliminating the competition in order to take everything they had still operate. Read “Collapse” to see how many once populous and powerful peoples disappeared. We have entered what Kunstler calls “the long emergency.” We have to decide the best way to cope or else the decision will be made for us by events.

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sorry, article not very good
Posted by: jfrost on May 26, 2008 6:58 PM   
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the bigger story is not birthrate but how for the first time in history it is not ok to essentially wipe out a helpless enemy. so that great military powers can only use those powers against people willing to fight back. 200 years ago problems like we are having in iraq or that isreal is having in palestine wouldn't exist: they more powerful nations would simply decimate the offending population until resistance was ended. terrorism is not a new thing but the difference is that terrorism would never work before because nations were not squeamish about the massive punishment of civilians. which is why ron paul's arguments of non-intervention make sense; we cannot win modern warfare because of our unwillingness to decimate civilian populations, so why are we constantly trying?

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It's evident why.
Posted by: Logic's Edge on May 27, 2008 3:15 AM   
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"Even the older colonial powers, Britain and France, finished the century in big trouble, without the will to resist the immigrants from the colonies they’d once ruled."

It's because we've moved from a governments for nations to government by corporate and economic interests. In the end, the only color corporations see is "green". And they don't care if they create such a situation of economic tension among their workers that the workers don't breed.

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Feminism, etc.
Posted by: Ipsi Dixit on May 27, 2008 8:18 AM   
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That's one in the eye for those 'population bomb' people like the Erlich's prophesying how bad having children is. Not to mention Germain Greer and her western feminist, 'no-children-I want-a-career!' ilk. It's now coming home to haunt us. Pretty soon the people of the Middle East, etc. will outnumber us and they will be having the last laugh... the joke being on us.

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» RE: Feminism, etc. Posted by: pamphyila
It's not about politeness, it's about lack of science
Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar on May 27, 2008 7:34 PM   
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In what respect is the planet overpopulated? At what point or ratio does overpopulation kick in? In terms of population density, the Netherlands in the 2nd most densely populated country in the world, after Indonesia. In terms of consumption, per capita consumption is so much higher in the West than "developing countries" that the volume of people itself cannot accurately be regarded as problematic. But, more importantly, all of this is irrelevant. Without some kind of scientific criteria that define the number of people the planet can sustain given availability of specific resources (assuming we can even account for all of the resources that are important, resources apart from food and water, i.e.) the whole discussion is meaningless. It's not about it being politically correct or incorrect, it's pure quackery.

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» RE: Major fish populations will be extinct by 2040 Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Population control
Posted by: RedNeckRed on May 29, 2008 7:13 PM   
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Neutron Bomb. Only kills people.

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take a deep breath, people...
Posted by: sg on Jun 2, 2008 6:10 PM   
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Judging from the many outraged posts, it's clear most folks here are not familiar with "Gary Brecher's" work. I won't defend him but you should check his stuff out. I've been reading him for years and damned if this guy isn't THE BEST critic of Bush and modern war out there. Period.

BTW, no one knows who Brecher really is: Gary Brecher is a fake name. His photo is a phote of some rocker dude. I'm telling you folks, this guy is brilliant. And, you have to take his war glorification with a grain of salt. Get it? War Nerd. He's whole schtick is that he loves war. But if you get past that, his analysis and writing is brilliant, I tell ya. Check out his stuff on The Exile.

He's also hilarious, actually. He claims to be some fat computer geek who works in a Fremont, Calif. based corporation. (Think The Fight Club.) But he writes for Russian-based web site. If you find a better war/military commentator, I'll be a monkey's uncle. And you should see the toubles he gives neocon "scholar" Victor Hanson.

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