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The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
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With respect to the position I take about the crimes of George Bush, I want to state at the outset that my motivation is not political. Although I've been a longtime Democrat (primarily because, unless there is some very compelling reason to be otherwise, I am always for "the little guy"), my political orientation is not rigid. For instance, I supported John McCain's run for the presidency in 2000. More to the point, whether I'm giving a final summation to the jury or writing one of my true crime books, credibility has always meant everything to me. Therefore, my only master and my only mistress are the facts and objectivity. I have no others. This is why I can give you, the reader, a 100 percent guarantee that if a Democratic president had done what Bush did, I would be writing the same, identical piece you are about to read.
Perhaps the most amazing thing to me about the belief of many that George Bush lied to the American public in starting his war with Iraq is that the liberal columnists who have accused him of doing this merely make this point, and then go on to the next paragraph in their columns. Only very infrequently does a columnist add that because of it Bush should be impeached. If the charges are true, of course Bush should have been impeached, convicted, and removed from office. That's almost too self-evident to state. But he deserves much more than impeachment. I mean, in America, we apparently impeach presidents for having consensual sex outside of marriage and trying to cover it up. If we impeach presidents for that, then if the president takes the country to war on a lie where thousands of American soldiers die horrible, violent deaths and over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, including women and children, even babies are killed, the punishment obviously has to be much, much more severe. That's just common sense. If Bush were impeached, convicted in the Senate, and removed from office, he'd still be a free man, still be able to wake up in the morning with his cup of coffee and freshly squeezed orange juice and read the morning paper, still travel widely and lead a life of privilege, still belong to his country club and get standing ovations whenever he chose to speak to the Republican faithful. This, for being responsible for over 100,000 horrible deaths?* For anyone interested in true justice, impeachment alone would be a joke for what Bush did.
Let's look at the way some of the leading liberal lights (and, of course, the rest of the entire nation with the exception of those few recommending impeachment) have treated the issue of punishment for Bush's cardinal sins. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman wrote about "the false selling of the Iraq War. We were railroaded into an unnecessary war." Fine, I agree. Now what? Krugman just goes on to the next paragraph. But if Bush falsely railroaded the nation into a war where over 100,000 people died, including 4,000 American soldiers, how can you go on to the next paragraph as if you had been writing that Bush spent the weekend at Camp David with his wife? For doing what Krugman believes Bush did, doesn't Bush have to be punished commensurately in some way? Are there no consequences for committing a crime of colossal proportions?
Al Franken, on the "David Letterman" show, said, "Bush lied to us to take us to war" and quickly went on to another subject, as if he was saying "Bush lied to us in his budget."
Sen. Edward Kennedy, condemning Bush, said that "Bush's distortions misled Congress in its war vote" and "No president of the United States should employ distortion of truth to take the nation to war." But, Senator Kennedy, if a president does this, as you believe Bush did, then what? Remember, Clinton was impeached for allegedly trying to cover up a consensual sexual affair. What do you recommend for Bush for being responsible for more than 100,000 deaths? Nothing? He shouldn't be held accountable for his actions? If one were to listen to you talk, that is the only conclusion one could come to. But why, Senator Kennedy, do you, like everyone else, want to give Bush this complete free ride?
The New York Times, in a June 17, 2004, editorial, said that in selling this nation on the war in Iraq, "the Bush administration convinced a substantial majority of Americans before the war that Saddam Hussein was somehow linked to 9/11 … inexcusably selling the false Iraq-Al Qaeda claim to Americans." But gentlemen, if this is so, then what? The New York Times didn't say, just going on, like everyone else, to the next paragraph, talking about something else.
In a Nov. 15, 2005, editorial, the New York Times said that "the president and his top advisers … did not allow the American people, or even Congress, to have the information necessary to make reasoned judgments of their own. It's obvious that the Bush administration misled Americans about Mr. Hussein's weapons and his terrorist connections." But if it's "obvious that the Bush administration misled Americans" in taking them to a war that tens of thousands of people have paid for with their lives, now what? No punishment? If not, under what theory? Again, you're just going to go on to the next paragraph?
I'm not going to go on to the next unrelated paragraph.
In early December of 2005, a New York Times-CBS nationwide poll showed that the majority of Americans believed Bush "intentionally misled" the nation to promote a war in Iraq. A Dec. 11, 2005, article in the Los Angeles Times, after citing this national poll, went on to say that because so many Americans believed this, it might be difficult for Bush to get the continuing support of Americans for the war. In other words, the fact that most Americans believed Bush had deliberately misled them into war was of no consequence in and of itself. Its only consequence was that it might hurt his efforts to get support for the war thereafter. So the article was reporting on the effect of the poll findings as if it was reporting on the popularity, or lack thereof, of Bush's position on global warming or immigration. Didn't the author of the article know that Bush taking the nation to war on a lie (if such be the case) is the equivalent of saying he is responsible for well over 100,000 deaths? One would never know this by reading the article.
If Bush, in fact, intentionally misled this nation into war, what is the proper punishment for him? Since many Americans routinely want criminal defendants to be executed for murdering only one person, if we weren't speaking of the president of the United States as the defendant here, to discuss anything less than the death penalty for someone responsible for over 100,000 deaths would on its face seem ludicrous.** But we are dealing with the president of the United States here.
On the other hand, the intensity of rage against Bush in America has been such (it never came remotely this close with Clinton because, at bottom, there was nothing of any real substance to have any serious rage against him for) that if I heard it once I heard it 10 times that "someone should put a bullet in his head." That, fortunately, is just loose talk, and even more fortunately not the way we do things in America. In any event, if an American jury were to find Bush guilty of first-degree murder, it would be up to them to decide what the appropriate punishment should be, one of their options being the imposition of the death penalty.
Although I have never heard before what I am suggesting -- that Bush be prosecuted for murder in an American courtroom -- many have argued that "Bush should be prosecuted for war crimes" (mostly for the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo) at the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Netherlands. But for all intents and purposes this cannot be done.
*Even assuming, at this point, that Bush is criminally responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 people in the Iraq war, under federal law he could only be prosecuted for the deaths of the 4,000 American soldiers killed in the war. No American court would have jurisdiction to prosecute him for the one hundred and some thousand Iraqi deaths since these victims not only were not Americans, but they were killed in a foreign nation, Iraq. Despite their nationality, if they had been killed here in the States, there would of course be jurisdiction.
**Indeed, Bush himself, ironically, would be the last person who would quarrel with the proposition that being guilty of mass murder (even one murder, by his lights) calls for the death penalty as opposed to life imprisonment. As governor of Texas, Bush had the highest execution rate of any governor in American history: He was a very strong proponent of the death penalty who even laughingly mocked a condemned young woman who begged him to spare her life ("Please don't kill me," Bush mimicked her in a magazine interview with journalist Tucker Carlson), and even refused to commute the sentence of death down to life imprisonment for a young man who was mentally retarded (although as president he set aside the entire prison sentence of his friend Lewis "Scooter" Libby), and had a broad smile on his face when he announced in his second presidential debate with Al Gore that his state, Texas, was about to execute three convicted murderers.
In Bush's two terms as Texas governor, he signed death warrants for an incredible 152 out of 153 executions against convicted murderers, the majority of whom killed one person. The only death sentence Bush commuted was for one of the many murders that mass murderer Henry Lucas had been convicted of. Bush was informed that Lucas had falsely confessed to this particular murder and was innocent, his conviction being improper. So in 152 out of 152 cases, Bush refused to show mercy even once, finding that not one of the 152 convicted killers should receive life imprisonment instead of the death penalty. Bush's perfect 100 percent execution rate is highly uncommon even for the most conservative law-and-order governors.
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Posted by: HoboHomo on May 24, 2008 12:55 AM
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Maybe the Dems sold out long, long ago, and they are now nothing more than an obdient serf to Republican lords?
Are these D.C. Dem-igods standing in the way of TRUE reform and democratization? Is perhaps Karma about to knock these traitors down, to pave the way to genuine patriots of the old-school liberal stripe? (Read Martin Cohen's book "The Faith of a Liberal" pub'd in 1946.)
And the first Sacred Dem-Cow to be toppled is Master Teddie-Kay, the last of the Camelot Dynasty, The Kennedys? Oh c'mon, peoples, you ALL know that family's corruption and their profiteering off sweat shops, child labor and the Great Depression!
He is but the first domino. Let's place our bets on those who will topple next! Hillary? Obama? Feinstein? Boxer? The list goes on!
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Posted by: ~Fiona~ on May 24, 2008 2:19 AM
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Posted by: lavendula13 on May 24, 2008 4:33 AM
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Congress has tied its own hands with the rope of political chicanery. How can it reach for Bush's neck? The only way out is to develop clean/alternative energy resources, but Americans appear, by and large, to be too spoiled to make the sacrifices necessary implied by that alternate road to future economic survival.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 24, 2008 4:38 AM
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"George W. Bush will be remembered in history, primarily, as the first (pray last) former chief executive to go to federal prison. He will die there. Sound crazy? Stay tuned"
From the first posting of "The Rant"
June 2, 2006
That's why it os so important that Barack Obama be elected in November. If McCain is elected, Bush and Cheney's crimes will be swept under the rug.
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V.P. Clinton? Forget About It
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Posted by: mnatra on May 24, 2008 4:44 AM
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The mainstream press is pure trash and his mouth piece and should be given very little credibility.
It is our hope that a sensible prosecutor will take up that challenge ASAP he leaves office.
If he is held accountable, there is hope for our country; as we celebrate memorial day upon many graves.
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Posted by: Artkansas on May 24, 2008 4:48 AM
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If capital punishment is a deterrent, perhaps this will let people know that no one is above the law.
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Posted by: Bayardtom on May 24, 2008 5:06 AM
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Can somebody tell me why Bush and his cohorts are not in prison? I am one of thousands or millions who daily write, sign petitions or call our legislators about this subject.
My husband and I suspect that we have been targeted because we are openly critical of this administration. We are being audited by the IRS when we have never been audited before and we are senior citizens.
So, what do we do to assure that justice is done? There are so many people telling the truth out there and still the Congress does nothing.The only suggestion I have is that we all, yes, you, too, contact our representatives and demand that they act on impeachment proceedings.They can be replaced and should be if they do not defend and protect the Constitution. That's their job!
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on May 24, 2008 5:13 AM
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If for no other reason, but to give pause to those that would create similar holocausts in the future.
But as someone has said here, we have the government we deserve. I believe that Bush is a mirror of our values today. How else can this all be explained? ESPECIALLY the tolerance for his crimes.
Speaking of government we deserve...look at the candidates we have to look forward to...corporate whores all...just one is worse than the other.
AND lets not forget the corruption that has led to the literal bankruptcy of this country through this war, morally and fiscally.
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Posted by: bettejo on May 24, 2008 5:16 AM
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What I do believe ought to happen (and it is mind boggling to me that is hasn't) is these men ought to be dragged out of their ivory towers-be it the white house or the pentagon, etc... and placed in jail (general population) to await trial for their crimes against this nation. If they can only be charged for American deaths under our nation's rules, so be it. 4000+ homicides is a good start. And after they are tried here, they ought to be sent on to the Hague where they can be prosecuted for crimes against humanity-including but not limited to Iraqi deaths, the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation, the illegal detention and torture of thousands, etc...
If Bush walks out of the White House in January with his freedom and his pension intact, Americans truly have gotten what they deserve. Unfortunately, the rest of the world that Bush has laid waste to does not deserve it.
So, I say forget impeachment. Arrest them, try them and then send them on to the rest of the world to do the same.
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Posted by: John Rice on May 24, 2008 5:20 AM
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Does no one remember the anthrax attacks on the ones in Congress questioning 9-11? With government-grade WMD material? Still unsolved?
The message was received loud and clear, and they are all scared shitless, and probably with good reason. After all, they have the opportunity to know the real machinations of government far better than we do...
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Posted by: carbon-based on May 24, 2008 6:03 AM
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I also don't see where he says:
FDR should have been impeached for knowingly allowing Japan to attack Pearl when we could have prepared defenses..
Where is the charges against Gore for giving anti American speeches to the Saudis (oops, there's that Arab connection) while America is at war..
How about Truman for getting us involved in Korea!
Or Carter for screwing up in the mideast...
Oh, and my favorite.where is the outrage against Hanoi Jane Fonda - I always wondered if she actually took a few shots at some American B52's while on that AA gun.
The author lives in the make believe world of us and them..repub's and dem's..like there is a difference. Our two party dictatorship moves as one in most cases.screaming about thew other side as they might!
Everyone misses the point that while Clinton getting off in the Whitehouse may not seem like much - it could be viewed as just one of those things that fell into place allowing 9/11 to happen. It has been mentioned more than once that Clinton was so preoccupied with this case that his eye was totally off the Al Qaeda ball.
Bush will never be impeached, hung or anything else. In the end he, to me anyway, is nothing more than a President who was incapable of running a country but so strong in his will and actions combined with a congress of sheep acting in the shadow of 9/11 & misreading intel.
Some could argue that he caused the death of Saddam ( a good thing) - Iraqi caused the death of themselves (unfortunate)..
In any case lets hope Obama can go along way repairing the damage Bush has done to this country and lets also hope he can keep this country as safe as Bush did!
My bet is this book will be in the 2 for $1 bin shortly!
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Posted by: Izzy Stoner on May 24, 2008 7:04 AM
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When the right wing is demoralized and drowning, you throw them an anchor, not a life preserver. Unfortunately, too many activists think that throwing a tantrum is the same as changing a policy. Doing things just because they make us feel good is often counterproductive.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on May 24, 2008 7:20 AM
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The man, and what he stands for, is more important than any equal protection under the laws. Of course, to some degree that has been true since the beginning of this nation.
So what does Mr. Bush's freedom from prosecution really mean? We accept and go along with his illegal robbery of Iraqi oil, and his methods to acquire that oil.
Again, this has been true of the public since the beginning of this nation. The public profited from the murder and thieft of native lands, the salvery of Black Africans, the domination of the world economic system.
Everything that George W. Bush has done in our name, we, as a nation, support because it is profitable to the people.
We cannot face the realization that we are the responsible enablers of Mr. Bush's murderous plunder of Iraq and much of the world.
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Posted by: kenkruger on May 24, 2008 7:41 AM
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I believe these cretins manipulated us into war to pursue their own agenda. But proving an actual deception in a court of law would prove to be very problematic.
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Posted by: johnjmccarthy on May 24, 2008 7:57 AM
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None of the alleged 19 highjacker's names made it onto any manifest of any plane that took of anywhere on 911.
Just think of this as a court of public opinion rather than a court of law....lie once and all testimony before and after MUST be considered suspect or a lie also.
"When I saw the first plane hit the tower I thought "Now thats a bad pilot".....Bush at a public meeting. The first plane to hit the tower was not televised until the day after 911 and Andy Card is reported to have notified Bush of the SECOND PLANE hitting the WTC while the reading of My Pet Goat was being read by a seven year old. There was no interruption because the president "didn't want to upset the children". No action was taken by the Secret Service to protect the president as the nation "Was under attack".
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Posted by: meetmeineleusis on May 24, 2008 8:08 AM
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Give up on trying to prosecute him, and just look towards the future. Teach your children the values of democracy so these awful times aren't repeated during their lives. Bush has already won, but that doesn't mean the game is over. Chalk it up as a loss and work for the future.
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Posted by: topview on May 24, 2008 8:09 AM
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I think if enough people get involved, we can force Congress to allow the rights of the people.
If you want to learn more about it and get your ass involved, go to the website and sign up
Article V Convention
I think if enough do we may prevail in some way to make these MURDERERS be held responsible for their Crimes. I would love to trip the trigger on the rope around Bush and Cheneys Neck.Just like they did to Saddam.
We have a lot to do to right the wrongs these Bastards have done to the world!
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Posted by: splaceman on May 24, 2008 8:13 AM
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Bush cannot be prosecuted and taken off the picture (FL2004) for it is he, and only he, that in the greater scheme of things, represents the negotiating face of the meta-elites that ultimately owe, deal, and can stake our economy the way he has, to oblige to the Saudi kings' need for egemony over the arab world.
The rest, you know, Democracy, and justice an the Olympics and Universal health insurance, that is just the circus that keeps the people distracted from the meta-games and deals.
Bush failed to the Saudis, for Iran's and China's sway of power over that region is the ultimate Bush failure, not the measly deaths of a few hundred thousand. 9-11 was simply the wake-up cal, the jolt to the Bush dynasty's balls to wake up and take action on behalf of House of Saudi against Iraq/Iran. Bush-I did his part with Kuwait. W failed. The evident rush to take Iraq necessitated the lies and to act despite any law, common sense, or ethics. The urgency of Bush-Chenney-Rove,Inc. was to save the family biz and spare the economy from the wrath that is being wraught by this Faustian deal, for this he (America) will be punished.
You can impeach or execute the monkey messenger, but we all know he is just a puppet, a face to a very ingrained machinery of ulterior purpose and intent, the real "Terror" will come at the pump, $4 and beyond will render 'hell' where once 'dream' characterized American identity.
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Posted by: Ottomatic on May 24, 2008 8:19 AM
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More propaganda.
They are invading the Indie Media with
BU__! SH__!
They own 99.9% of everything and want the last Nickel in your pocket.
That is what is wrong with
Corpirate Capitalism.
It's a sham.
All for me and None for you.
Can you hear me now?
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Posted by: bryangalt on May 24, 2008 8:40 AM
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Mr. Bush and Company can be charged under at least a dozen different federal statutes for what crimes they have committed, several of these crimes have enhancements for willful falsification of evidence which led to conflict and resulted in the death of US citizens, loss of US assets, etc. If you or I were to come before Congress and flat out lie about something as monumental as Bush lied, we would have already been cooked by now.
I also sent an email to the special prosecutor's office at the Hague suggesting that their duties in the matter of the Bush administration are clear. The United States, under misdirection from the Bush Administration, is guilty of mass murder of the Iraqi people, violation of International convents against the mistreatment of prisoners of war, and probably guilty of mass murder in Afghanistan as well. Plus, the use of kidnapping and terrorist conduct by agents of the United States who have engaged in kidnapping citizens of foreign countries within their soveriegn boundaries, is a violation of everything that the People of the United States purport to believe in.
Frankly, we cannot expect Congress to take any action against Bush, regardless of the war issue, or the fact that his economic policies will lead to our drop from the top economic powerhouse in the world, or that his absolute ignorance has led us to be the laughing stock of the entire world, or that his faith in "Jebus" is far more of a driving force in his actions than people realize (he and his psycotic followers want to help God out be bring about the mass destruction of most of humanity, thus allowing "Jesus" to return to Earth! Wow).
This question is too big for Congress or religious chieftans, but I have to ask it anyway: Why would an all-knowing, omnipotent GOD, need any of us to help him return to Earth and dole out totalitarian punishments? If GOD wants his people to be mass murderers, what kind of GOD is this that the religious nuts are praying to return?
The only other point I can make is that I believe the Bush family has carried on the tradition started by J. Edgar Hoover, keeping dosiere's on all key federal officers and on every member of Congress. As a reminder, Hoover kept a file on every member of Congress in his office until the day he died. Bush, Sr. was the head of the CIA when Hoover died, so it is reasonable to suspect that the files or the methods used to get them could have been absorbed by the CIA.
That to me is the only viable explanation as to why the Congress has only wimpered away as "the village Idiot" has violated federal and international laws, violated his Oath of Office to UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND EXECUTIVE, and have therefore severely jeopardized our country and its future to save their own scaly hides.
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Posted by: amacd on May 24, 2008 8:41 AM
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"Unfortunately, although a majority of Americans (like the majority of posters here) know that the Bush regime has committed war crimes (including torture, and what the Nuremberg Tribunal called the '"supreme war crime" of launching an aggressive war), little will be done by Conyers' committee or anyone else in this government.
Little will be done for two seminal reasons:
1. The corporatist media will continue to create and support the impression that 'nothing is really all that wrong with Bush' by continuing to report on his activities as if he were a normal president.
Just a quick google of the NYT and all other mainstream news will readily show hundreds of unremarkable articles that seriously and rationally describe; “Bush says …, Bush believes …, Bush confirms …, Bush directs…,” etc. reporting “the president’s” thoughts, and actions as if they are sane and normal actions of a real president --- rather than the rantings of an undemocratic war criminal. The same is done by the Zimbabweian press in making Mugabe look like a rational and sane president to the people of that country. The same is done by the Iranian press in making Ahmadinejad look like a rational and sane president to the people of Iran. And the same was done by the German press reporting Hitler’s comments as if he were a normal leader.
2. Even more important in hiding a rogue leader than the cover of a falsely comforting and accommodating press are the actions of a corporatist ruling elite empire hiding behind a fully complicit, two-party ‘Vichy’ government, which continues to accord the leader a seriousness and honesty which he no longer deserves, and to provide him with the funding flexibility to continue unjust and immoral militarist resources and allow him to continue an illegal war --- which both destroys the economy of the country so afflicted, and to kill uncounted numbers of innocent citizens in falsely attacked foreign countries.
This very day the US Senate has again acted precisely as a ‘Vichy’ government for this insane international war criminal, recidivist preemptive war launcher, and mass murderer, by giving him the better part of another $200Billion to continue this current war torture, and to make possible the launching of the next, and greater nuclear holocaust.
The net effect of these two concomitant sins of a ‘Vichy’ government and a ‘Vichy’ press is to allow their nation’s democratic republic to devolve into empire."
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
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Posted by: larazzafilms on May 24, 2008 8:48 AM
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Remember, a loosing football team does not lose because of the lack of talent it posceses! It looses, because of the heart in which they bring onto the field! The exsample of our coach is what motivates the growth in all of us. The question is, when will "we all" begin to recongizes the quality of truth within the preached upon leaders?
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Posted by: grkjr on May 24, 2008 8:52 AM
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Posted by: counterpoint on May 24, 2008 8:53 AM
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How America Gets Away With Murder: Illegal Wars, Collateral Damage and Crimes Against Humanity
Editorial Reviews
Book Description
The US has claimed the moral high ground in its recent wars. But how is this position tenable if those wars were in fact illegal?
Through a thorough exploration of the recent wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Kosovo, and the attempts of the US to legitimise them, Michael Mandel casts a critical eye on the claims the US makes for its wars – "humanitarian intervention" and "self-defence" – and unpacks the complex moral and legal issues underpinning recent US military action. Michael Mandel shows how international law is a malleable entity which the US can bend in its favour, but even then there are many times when it goes against the law and fights wars illegally.
Mandel also explores the recent war crimes trials of those who lose their battle with the US, and the trial of Slobodan Milosevic in particular. Mandel argues that the trials are not actually about ending war crimes, or impunity for war crimes, but about selectively punishing "the usual suspects" as part of the imperial strategy of the great powers – primarily the United States. Mandel also highlights how hypocritical such trials are – Milosevic is tried with great ceremony for his crimes, while America is not. In fact, Mandel shows how these tribunals shield America and its allies from responsibility for what is termed "collateral damage", but what is in reality murder on a vast scale.
About the Author
Michael Mandel is Professor of Law at Osgoode Hall Law School, York University, Toronto, Canada. He frequently appears as a commentator on radio and television and in op-ed pages in Canada and throughout the world. In 1999 he led an international effort to have NATO leaders prosecuted for war crimes committed in Kosovo. He is currently co-Chair of Lawyers Against the War (Canada), formed in 2001 to oppose America's War on Terrorism. He is a contributor to Beyond September 11: An Anthology of Dissent, edited by Phil Scraton (Pluto Press, 2002).
How America Gets Away With Murder
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Posted by: HughScott on May 24, 2008 8:56 AM
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Are we to believe during 20 years of binge drinking, Bush never received mercy from a cop or highway patrolman after being stopped for being under the influence?
In his autobiography, George W. asked himself rhetorically in regards to drunken driving, “How in the hell did I keep from killing someone?”
Good luck, obviously, but that wasn’t the case for capital punishment inmates at Huntsville State Prison during his governorship.
In the defunct magazine, Talk, he reportedly discussed one of his execution victims, Karla Faye Tucker, a convicted murderess who became a sincere and devoted Christian on death row.
George W. apparently didn’t believe Karla had changed because during the Talk interview, he imitated her failed appeal for mercy by pursing his lips, squinting his eyes and saying in a squeaky voice, “Please don’t kill me.”
How sick is that, Bush lovers?
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Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: poppaphil2007 on May 24, 2008 9:07 AM
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No one, not the MSM, not even Fox News, can deny that our entire administration produced an organized, tactical campaign to drum up support for the war in Iraq. Cheney himself went about the arduous task of tying 9/11 to Saddaam Hussein, with appearances on the morning talk shows. Condaleeza Rice talked about the danger of a "mushroom cloud" being the result of leaving Hussein in power. Colin Powell delivered the speech at the U.N. which served as the signature statement for the necessity of ousting Saddaam. Unfortunately, this administration took an enormous risk in doing what they did. If things in Iraq had gone as predicted by the Neocons, there would be none of this discussion today. But, because things did not go well, and because alternative planing was done on the fly and on the cheap, we are stuck in a no-win situation that has caused severe damage to America's reputation in the world, not to mention the carnage that has been brought to Iraq as a consequence of our invasion.
We have what we have, as, perhaps, Mr. Rumsfeld would have opined. As with any crime committed in America, punishment must follow. Though the MSM and congress has seemed intentionally loathe to hold Bush et al. responsible, Americans need to start telling their representatives that the Bush administration must be brought up on charges for starting a war unnecessarily, after systematically lying to the American people who so earnestly wanted to believe their own government's assertions. So many noble young men and women, believing they were going to Iraq to "keep America safe," have been betrayed by their country, and the betrayors need to be brought to justice.
If we really want to unite our nation, let's begin by getting the bad people out of office, prosecuting them appropriately, and punishing them in accordance with the law. The MSM has to recognize the furor that rages throughout America, and has to acknowledge publicly what people only whisper about now.
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Posted by: johnofphilly on May 24, 2008 9:11 AM
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Here's a question for those who accept the "official" alibi:
what hard evidence can prove bin Laden was responsible for 09/11? Because the presy-dent said so?
I'm afraid that's not good enough. Because of the jihad?
That's circumstantial, easily possibly coincidental.
Don't forget your Bushes have been very cozy with Islamics for a long, long time.
When Sr. Bush & Sr. bin Laden chummed, the juniors were in jeans in the rec room playing pool.
So I ask, what specific hard citable evidence do we have on Osama linking him with 09/11?
And please, for the love of God, don't go banging the drum and wailing yankee doodle.
We know Osama's shifty. He palled with our shifties in the past. Big deal.
A theory based on motive is a misnomer - Bush also had motive.
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Posted by: rhinojos on May 24, 2008 9:39 AM
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He owns and controls most of the media outlets so any negative press on Bush is slashed.
Plus, I think that people in Congress are scared of being assassinated, in whatever guise it may come, they know their place.
Folks, this experiment called Democracy and this land called America ceased to exist somt time ago. Everyone to himself.
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Posted by: Dianka on May 24, 2008 9:57 AM
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Posted by: QQOblivion on May 24, 2008 10:16 AM
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I often hear from conservatives that President Bush has done NOTHING wrong and has NEVER lied. What evidence do they cite to prove this? If he had done something wrong, then he would have been impeached by now. (Since the Democrats in Congress are SO partisan, according to the right-wingers, that they would just LOVE to impeach.)
But on the other hand, Bill Clinton WAS impeached. So he is the devil incarnate.
As for giving Bush the death penalty. That is too good for him. If a person can be put to death for the murder of just one person in this country, how do we put George Bush to death 4000 times, one time for each of the 4000 prosecutable deaths of US troops?
And then there is the aggravating factor of all that torture Bush has ordered.
This monster is sick, but not in a mentally ill kind of way that would lessen his guilt to some extent.
No, he and Cheney are pure EVIL.
I am reminded of that almost every single day by each new revelation.
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Posted by: Dianka on May 24, 2008 10:26 AM
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With one swoop, a Dem president freed up public dollars to help cover the cost of corporate tax "relief", and workers' protections are being rewritten across-the-board (don't bother going on strike; you can be replaced by tomorrow).
It isn't "caving". It's simply a merger of the two primary US parties.
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Posted by: Employee Advocate on May 24, 2008 10:48 AM
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This is the message that I sent to G. W. Bush on March 16, 2003:
“President Bush:
If you go through with this unpopular, uncalled for war, I will support
your removal from office by the most expedient means.
Possible grounds for
impeachment will include the murder of innocent Iraqi people.”
It was obvious to me from the beginning that Bush was manufacturing reasons for HIS war.
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Posted by: ThePublicRecord on May 24, 2008 10:53 AM
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Some White House Emails Lost After Gonzales Told of CIA Leak Probe
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At 8 PM on September 29, 2003, former White House counsel Alberto Gonzales received a phone call from the Department of Justice (DOJ). Gonzales received formal notification that evening that the DOJ had launched a criminal investigation into the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson.
Curiously, the Justice Department, which at the time was headed by John Ashcroft, officially launched the investigation on September 26, 2003, but Ashcroft waited more than three days before notifying Gonzales and the White House, whose high-level staffers were reported to be responsible for disseminating Wilson’s affiliation with the spy agency to the media just two-and-a-half months earlier.
Gonzales asked the DOJ if he could wait until morning before notifying White House staffers about the probe, thereby delaying the issuance of a directive to preserve emails and other documents related to the leak of Wilson’s undercover status federal investigators would need as part of their investigation.
The DOJ agreed.
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Posted by: willymack on May 24, 2008 10:53 AM
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1. Owns and controls most mass media outlets.
2. Has bribed or intimidated nearly everyone in Congress and in the Senate.
3. Has stuffed the not-so-supreme court with stooges.
4. Has politicised the military to the point where they would turn on their own people on orders from the White House, and, finally:
5. Has allowed corporate America to take over every facet of our lives, and steal the futures of our children and grandchildren. Can things get any worse than they are now? Does anyone really want to know?
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Posted by: colek on May 24, 2008 11:51 AM
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The problem for the governing powers these days is the world is too educated. We have the internet - for how long who knows - and we don't need to be spoonfed by corporate media.
The corporate media collaborated with BushCo to make the war happen. This is by no means the first time, it's an ancient tradition. It happened with Nero, Paul Revere used thew same tactic regarding the "Boston Massacre", and of course we could add "The Maine", The Reichstag, Tonkin, and the "Kuwaiti incubators" just to mention a few. All over the internet, hell even in the major media there was enough info to cast doubt on the existence of the so-called WMD's. Anyone remember Hans Blix?
In my first statement I said people of the world are "too educated". By that I do not mean for a moment that the world or even the American public is sufficiently educated - in fact quite the opposite. If the American Public was educated enough they would realize that ABC is propaganda machine operated by the enemies of any freedom loving people. The problem for Congress, the Media, and BushCo is they are the Emperors with no clothes - exposed and visibly naked of any shred of morality, sense of justice or fairness. And just to suppose even 10% of the observing audience can see this must make them feel pretty conspicuous, albeit shameless.
If Americans were educated enough they would realize BushCo are not conservatives, they are Machiavellians. Where's the small gov't, the Constitutional rights, and the aversion to nation building?
Bush doesn't really believe in God, particularly not Christ. I fact he better hope there is not a God or day of judgment. Christ walked with the commoners, opposed war, and stood up for the little guy. Bush is another Caesar, and certainly no Augustus. Caligula actually.
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Posted by: PointMan on May 24, 2008 12:05 PM
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But Bush is a passing garden-variety clod that's scarcely a figurehead front man for Fascist rule. Only corporate brand Fascism could railroad 9/11 false-flag "war on terror" with the aid and comfort of sellout organized crime media.
The fact is, the bloody horror of 9/11 into its "war on terror" proves America is a Fascist state. And the truth is, almost no one wants to say the obvious.
Well, I'm saying it. Washington is a farce and so is the media.
The America of the founders has become "Amerika" for criminal Fascist tyranny. A place where government and media are rigged and operated by autocrats through organized corporate crime.
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Posted by: FRoller on May 24, 2008 12:13 PM
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Here's moving on to the next paragraph...
President Bush is going to fill his library with what? Recordings of his imaginary "successful" economy? Imaginary enemies he's called out and brought to "justice"? What!?? Who is going to visit this library and feel that it really contains all that there was to this presidency? I think we should build a second library (funded by the History channel?) and fill it with as many official documents as we can. The history channel could do it's thing and have monthly specials on the Bush legacy that we are now all experiencing. They could even do a comparison between the two libraries calling out the lies (in either library). The library should also list all of those who are known to have complicitous ties with the war, as well as documents that prove that President Bush is guilty of war crimes. This library needs to stand above the "official" library, forever, as the true history of the Bush (squandered) presidency and it's ruinous outcome. Hopefully all of the contents of this "real" Bush library will inspire someone to use it in the prosecution of this president when he finally leaves office. When the President, and those complicit persons are finally brought to justice and are either given the death penalty or life in prison with no parol we can add those records as well.
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Posted by: opmoc on May 24, 2008 12:20 PM
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But there are still some eminently sensible people in charge of the US Military who have been completely abused by these lunatics with the totally disastrous War in Iraq - without even the basic requirements to do it properly.
They are keeping these lunatics bunkered down in their political arena - completely unwilling to start a process that would result in the probable end of the World.
They are probably on the edge of taking full military control - in fact they probably have done - its just not public knowledge
The process of the Elections will go ahead normally, and the ridiculous current state of insanity will gradually wind down to something that at least approaches normality.
Hope fully Obama will win the election - because he is by far the best person of the available candidates to project an image that America has changed.
Much of the World actually quiet used to love and respect America - for all the positive values that Americans display.
Everyone is currently completely ashamed of the US Government - but not ordinary Americans.
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Posted by: zorba1 on May 24, 2008 12:22 PM
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But Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri is a U.S. resident being held in a South Carolina military brig; he is the only enemy combatant held on U.S. soil.
To justify holding him, the government claimed a broad interpretation of the president's wartime powers, one that goes beyond warrantless wiretapping or monitoring banking transactions. Government lawyers told federal judges that the president can send the military into any U.S. neighborhood, capture a citizen and hold him in prison without charge, indefinitely.
The government says the president needs this power to keep the nation safe. Al-Marri's lawyers say that as long as the president can detain anyone he wants, nobody is safe.
A week after the attacks, Congress unanimously passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force. It gave President Bush the power to "use all necessary and appropriate force" against anyone involved in planning, aiding or carrying out the attacks.
In early 2003, he was indicted on charges of credit card fraud and lying to the FBI. Like anyone else in the country, he had constitutional rights.
On June 23, 2003, Bush declared al-Marri an enemy combatant, which stripped him of those rights. In his jail cell in Peoria, however, he could refuse to speak with investigators.
A military brig allowed more options. Free from the constraints of civilian law, the military could interrogate al-Marri without a lawyer, detain him without charge and hold him indefinitely. Courts have agreed the president has wide latitude to imprison people captured overseas or caught fighting against the U.S. That is what the prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba is for.
But al-Marri was not in Guantanamo Bay.
"The president is not a king and cannot lock people up forever in the United States based on his say-so," said Jonathan Hafetz, a lawyer who represents al-Marri and other detainees. "Today it's Mr. al-Marri. Tomorrow it could be you, a member of your family, someone you know. Once you allow the president to lock people up for years or even life without trial, there's no going back."
Glenn Sulmasy, a national security fellow at Harvard, said the issue comes down to whether the nation is at war. Soldiers would not need warrants to launch a strike against invading troops. So would they need a warrant to raid a house in a U.S. suburb?
Sulmasy says no. That's how Congress wrote the bill and "if they feel concerned about civil liberties, they can tighten up the language.
By comparison, al-Marri had not been on the battlefield. He was lawfully living in the United States. That raises new questions.
These questions play to two of the biggest fears that have dominated public policy debate since Sept. 11: the fear of another terrorist attack and the fear the government will use that threat to crack down on civil liberties.
Courts have gone back and forth on al-Marri's case. The last decision, a 2-1 ruling by a 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel, found that the president had crossed the line and al-Marri must be returned to the civilian court system. Anything else would "alter the constitutional foundations of our Republic.
The full appeals court is reviewing that decision.
"What you assert is the power of the military to seize a person in the United States, including an American citizen, on suspicion?" Judge William B. Traxler asked.
"Yes, your honor," Justice Department lawyer Gregory Garre replied.
Another judge said the question is not whether the president was generous in his use of power; it is whether the power is constitutional.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 24, 2008 12:27 PM
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How is that not a high crime or misdemeanor..?
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They are bush and cheney's partners in crime against America.
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I guess that's PC. Such BS.
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In reality, the media will do it’s very best to ignore this book.
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Posted by: Kimmy on May 24, 2008 4:48 PM
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This entire adminsitratin should have already been convicted of Treason, War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity. Along with theri Copr and Banking Fiends!PERSONALLY CRIMINALLY LIABLE FOR HIGH CRIMES and Sentenced to the Highest punishment by law (of course we may start making that up AS WE GO TOO!)
I propose trials similar to 'American Idol' - the evidence is so emmense we could get through at least 4 a week. We all vote 'thumb Up or Down' Roman style on our laptops, Iphones or telephone call lines.Considering the number we have to get through we could ahve years of entertainment and SATISFACTION!
And of course the Crooks on Wal street & the Banking industry can alos 'compete' on theri 'creditors' national TV Shows TOO!!Since they have Enslaved US & our children to these 'Creditors'without our consent- i suggest we hold them responsible for the 'Payback' Due.Lets not send out Athelets to China this Summer lets send our 'Inside Traders (TRAITORS)
Start with Cheney, Rummy & wolfie and work Our way outward (and backward, they've been at this for 40 yrs).NO MERCY!
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Posted by: 2dogarage on May 24, 2008 6:10 PM
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Bush is responsible (backed by megalomaniac puppetmasters) for thousands and thousands of deaths and no one gives a good goddamn.
Not even Howard Zinn or Noam Chomskey are brave enough to state the obvious, we have a psychopath in office who is zealously complicit with the wealth-consolidation industry who is getting away with mass murder to the detriment of us all and no one is doing a fucking thing about it.
Maybe (obviously?) no one can.
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Bush's arrogant behavior regarding a prisoner who begged for her life, and his mimicking her pleas...
I can't think of a human who has done worse than that.
Off with his head!
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Posted by: rinpochet on May 24, 2008 9:52 PM
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I have no idea of the legalities of this but if they won't impeach him, at least civil and possibly criminal charges, hopefully thousands could be brought against him, and of course Cheney, with the possibility that many will stick.
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This is an experienced member of the House and he knew what he was about to say would HAVE to be withdrawn but Dennis put it out there.
So NO it was not just Vermont and wherever, it was the House Floor and IT WAS DENNIS KUCINICH!
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on May 25, 2008 10:03 AM
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HOWEVER, THERE'S JUST ONE PROBLEM WITH BUGLIOSI'S FACTS:
George Bush and Dick Cheney, and their neocon mentors and minions have slaughtered NOT 100,000, but OVER ONE MILLION Iraqi and Afghani human beings: men, women and children... FOR PROFIT and maniacal and sociopathic POWER.
WHY? WHY? WHY?!!
These rich power mongers and war profiteers have more money that God, so does anyone else wonder WHY?
I've often thought, and heard others say that "...the sex must be really good in the White House these days."
Perhaps golf, basking in the sun, cruising on their yachts, riding their dirt bikes, etc., just isn't very stimulating to those who have absolutely NO emotional connection to humanity, so they have nothing better to do to get their juices going than LYING, KILLING, TORTURING, TAKING OVER GOVERNMENTS. A deadly hobby!
NOTE: George W. Bush didn't even have a PASSPORT, until AFTER he became president.
PLAYING WITH LIVES, EVEN TOYING WITH THE VERY SURVIVAL OF OUR PLANT, HAS BECOME SIMPLY A SCINTILLATING, STIMULATING CHESS GAME TO THEM.
And they've looted our nation, using our Treasury as their personal ATM, to fund their CORPORATE-WAR-FOR-PROFIT, WHICH IS MASS MURDER.
Maybe, just maybe, seeing it in print by someone many people respect (I have no personal opinion on Bugliosi, but many do) will prompt some MINDFUL thought and soul searching by not only those opposed to the Bush Mafia, but who are afraid or reluctant to call it what it is (MASS MURDER), but by those Americans who are willing, like lemmings, to follow anyone who utters the word "God"...right over the cliff.
Most of all, Bugliosi's words might even reach those Democrats, the COWARDS OF CONGRESS, NANCY PELOSI AND JOHN CONYERS, WHO CAN'T BRING THEMSELVES TO TAKE THIS ONE IMPORTANT STEP TO SAVE THIS DEMOCRACY...AND MAYBE EVEN THE WORLD.
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
The Lancet Study:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/LAN410A.html
Be sure to research and read all the voices dissenting about and agreeing to the number of dead civilians...then come to your own conclusions. But please ask yourself: HOW MANY INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS IS IT OK TO KILL, HOW MUCH DESTRUCTION IS OK....FOR PROFIT?
OR, as Bush and Cheney, et al, put it: FOR OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS?
AGAIN....
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
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Posted by: bobtr900 on May 25, 2008 12:05 PM
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Wake up Bugliosi. The obvious is staring you in the face. Many politicians and judges have been threatened. Can we all remember the threats that the Texas congressional team, Cornyn, Barton, DeLay etc. delivered on National TV, those were death threats to judges.
As I recall Kathleen Kennedy Townsend(Robert Kennedy's oldest child), when running for Governor of Maryland, received death threats from Catholic voters.
The Pope, my religion, was their enabler.
Sandra Day O'Connor, after she retired from the SCOTUS, went around the USA complaining about judges who were receiving death threats. But she was one of the members of the SCOTUS who was the direct cause of our society devolvging into rule by violence that Justice Scalia has called for when he advocated for the end of 'the rule of law' in the USA. In that same speech he then went on to advocate for the end of democracy in the USA. Sorry Sandra, you did it now don't complain about it. O'Connor even identified that southerners were one of the sources of the threats.Too late Sandra, you made the mess now don't cry about it.
I think it's safe to say that indeed America has devolved into a lawless society.
This began with Nixon(Republican) who was pardoned for his crimes by Ford(Republican). Then this whole mess picked up steam when the Pope and Jerry Falwell worked together to get Reagan elected and then supported him in everything he did.
Now under Bush and Cheney(two cowboys) rampant lawlessness exists at the highest levels in our society, at the very top levels. Torture and death is sanctioned from the highest levels of our government and Bush is told he can do it by our DOJ, specifically by Ashcroft and then Gonzales. So being the sociopath that he is Bush (he doesn't have any morals of his own), just goes ahead knowing that he can get away with it because he has the okay from his legal counsel, Gonzalez and from the DOJ, Atty Gen. Ashcroft. That was all he needed.
The Pope tells Bush he can do anything he wants and so does Falwell. So Bush has been given the okay by two religious leaders, who then go on to prove it by not losing any voters, either Catholic or evangelical fundie, in the 2004 elections. What is a poor dumb twit from Texas(he doesn't do nuance) to do but go along with all the criminals giving him the okay. After all Bush has no morals of his own, being the sociopath that he is. What's a poor dumb Texan to do.
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Posted by: common intelligence on May 25, 2008 7:48 PM
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The whole of congress is composed of a bunch of politicing civilians that have no military clout or military industrial clout to challenge the powers that contol the financial doings of the nation. It's all just a CSpan show we get a glimps of that doesn't affect policies that are controlled by the plans layed out long ago by the power's think tank research systems that are pushing the world in the omnipotent direction they have taken charge of.
WE have NO control over that. Only the illusion broad cast to us via the "system" controled media. I say "system" because the idea of "governement" is over. It only leads our thought to believe we have some influence, which we don't.
If we want to address the control "system" we have to address the dumb asses that enlist in the military and support the "system" believing they are in the "right" to "serve and protect"!
Man that's a complete bunsh of hog wash!
But as long as the primary masses don't believe in themselves as having a value beyond being a breeding neandathal and that's the reason to "do their duty" there can be only a minimal way to Take back the country that is long gone I'm afraid.
Whether these compliant people are police or military is no different.
But there is also the "poor" shmucks that instigate crime in the civil sectors in local neighbor hoods that are eveidently not smart enough to even realize they are getting "played" the act and behave the way they are, in ways that their desperation leads to killing each other or the dumb ass Immigrant liquor purveyors as an example.
It's all so obvious to me that lack of education is at the root of keeping America like one big shopping mall. Yet everyone just plays right along because they are mostly self serviant. Then of course who else? Certainly not the government!
All that said Bush, Cheney and the whole congress should be exicuted. No impartial jury here!
It'll be easy to start over, 'cause the new ones will know who the real boss is!
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Posted by: monkeywrench on May 25, 2008 9:34 PM
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The mistake that many of us, both in the public and private sectors, make is to underestimate how far those in power will go to maintain their ill-gotten bounty, even here in "The Land of the Free." I believe that, ultimately, criminals within our own government, those who also brought us the 9/11 disaster, would make the Mafia look like a bunch of Boy Scouts.
Good Germans (and much of the world) made this mistake in the 1930's, and we all remember how THAT turned out. Or do we? Maybe this is one piece of fallout from a dumbed-down America: the ability to easily bamboozle a constantly-distracted population infantilized by techno-toys and TV reality shows. For eight long years, the Bush crime cabal has been on a mission to destroy the one thing in a population that could lead to its own destruction: critical thinking.
Apparently, in those who have not been threatened, but simply believe whatever the conservative media tells them because "they couldn't put it on the air if it wasn't true," that mission has been accomplished.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 25, 2008 9:43 PM
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Or the Media why won't Wolf Blitzer cover this when will Kieth Olbermann have Bugliosi on Countdown, or Lou Dobbs or Charlie Rose come on Charlie put Bugliosi on the show..you have all those Think Tank lying murderers on like Fife and Kagan so why not Bugliosi..?
An really the charges should also apply to Condi Rice and Dick Cheney as well..
All it would take is one District Attorney with guts or Federal Attorney for that matter..
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Posted by: Gonnuts on May 26, 2008 7:40 AM
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Not even bringing up the specter of charging this administration on charges of murder, better genocide, considering 100,000 deaths is what this administration admits to, reputable polls have it over 1,000,000 deaths, is a testament to how far we've sunk.
There will be no mercy shown by the rest of world's communities to us when we take a fall for the death and destruction we've caused, and we are falling.
"A hard rain is gonna fall" Bob Dylan
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Posted by: Dadster3 on May 26, 2008 1:40 PM
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We now have something over 4000 dead Americans because of Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Pearle et al. We have thousands of Americans wounded & maimed. I'm not sure a President & his accomplices can be tried for criminal behavior they committed while serving because impeachment is the constitution remedy for malfeasance in office and could have and should have been done.
If they can't be tried under the US criminal code, perhaps they could be tried under the civil code of the various states if there is no comparible federal code; that is, I would like to see, on 21 Jan 2009, 4000+ wrongful death suits filed against Bush et al. I would like to see x-thousand wrongful injury suits filed at the same time. Even if we can't put them in prison, perhaps we can reduce them to paupers and outcasts. Even if every case were to be lost, it would put this war on trial. That in itself would be no small victory.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 28, 2008 4:47 PM
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Any of these are a high crime or misdemeanor which would also be enough to Impeach them both..
Also if these very real Criminal charges seem like they would stick they could be used get both Bush and Cheney to resign..!
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Posted by: Democritus on May 28, 2008 4:48 PM
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The Cheney impeachment articles are now bottled up in John Conyers' Judicial Committee. If McClellan's "tell all" book isn't enough to get Conyers to move, then we can suspect that "the fix is in." Don't let Conyers wriggle free from his responsibility. Write to him, as I have done, and demand that the Judiciary Committee take these articles to the House floor. After these articles, and the reasons for them, are made widely known, it should be easy to get fair-minded congressmen and women to move to impeach Bush.
There's just enough time to impeach them both and have trials in the Senate. That will keep them from creating more mischief in the time they have left to serve. What would be a just punishment for high crimes and misdemeanors? The same that Bush smilingly meted out while he was governor of Texas seems appropriate.
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Posted by: hadashito on May 28, 2008 6:00 PM
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They have accurately adjudged their support from the Houses of Congress since, when their Party was in control they had a lock on it, and when the Democrats achieved majorities, they knew that our representatives would not muster the courage to impeach ANYONE while there was a self-manufactured war going in Iraq.
Similarly, regarding any possible prosecutions of members of their cabal, they had already seen to it that THEIR cronies and flunkies were placed in a sufficient numbers of judicial positions on the Fed Court, state courts, and the SCOTUS so that they need never fear successful attempts at prosecutions. The Varlerie Plame Wilson case is one notable example. The Wilson case got shot down summarily by a Bush appointed flunky judge. End of story (at least so far). The worst situation for the Cheney criminals was illustrated in the case of the special prosecutor FINALLY convicting a relatively small fry in Cheney's office - - and Bush's sentence commuttal took care of that. It will also be quite likely that Bush will pardon said small fry altogether before his term expires next January. End of story - - so far.
Only one glitch remains. AFTER the Bush administration is laid to rest, there will be no possibility of a claim of presidential executive priviledge for Karl Rove or anyone else exposed to a criminal proceeding or a Congressional investigation. If the Democrats gain the White House AND comfortable majorities in both Houses of Congress, they might find that they have spines after all (especially if we seriously begin withdrawing troops from Iraq) and the whole situation will change.
Karl Rove and some others may well find themselves facing very determined and revenge inclined Congressional members who will have renewed confidence that they will not be punished by their voting constituents, "friendly" lobbyists, or whoever has an interst in the matter and will not threaten to withdraw support.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on May 28, 2008 11:49 PM
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but all his henchmen [graftees] eg. those below him... Cheney Rove Rumsfield Rice Powell Wolfowitz etc etc...
they're all gunna be fed to the war crime fire [hanged]they so enthusiastically fanned fer sure, and may god have mercy on all their incompetent souls
[but not before the state seizes all the wealth they've made through their planned CHAOS]
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Posted by: salamah on May 29, 2008 2:56 AM
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This last is what happened in Vietnam and in Iraq (2nd time)
In both bancquets the 'cooking' was professional. The ingredients came from the lobbies. The wines/drinks came from the America's Defense Industry. The ushers and butlers came from Capitol Hill, Pentagon, Foggy Bottom and CIA. The bancquet hall's decorations and music came from Main Stream Media and Hollywood. The invitation cards were printed by lobby tarnished American, STUDY HOUSES and the CHIEF GUESTS were Presidents of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. In both cases the BASH ended up in Roman type VOMITORIUMS.
WHO IS TO BLAME? ALL of America, ALL Americans. Hence, the standard BEHAVIOUR at Capitol Hill, the White House/ Administration. Nothing has changed, nothing will change. If one or two bancquets go awry, others are in the offing to tickle America's salivary glands.Let the merry making go on, at the least on Cinema and TV screens. Let live now and pay later go on. Let gas guzzlers run at the cost of a million to two million CAMEL GOOKS' lives. Let the Imperial Legions lay waste to the Middle East and waste the TAX paid by the Americans in Imperial Wars as long as the Americans keep deifying the American Flag and the names in Arlington Memorial!
NOBODY WILL PROSECUTE ANYBODY in America till such times America itself is prosecuted or dies with a BANG or a WHIMPER!
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Posted by: unreceivedogma on May 29, 2008 7:39 AM
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About time it is making it into the ALM. MSM next I hope!
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Posted by: jstepp590 on May 29, 2008 10:04 AM
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Bush is the fool that got put out front for us to bash. In the meantime Cheney and his corporate supporters have been the ones behind the scene causing the most problems and hijacking our government.
As a defense contractor I would say Cheney really does have the right to feel self satisfied and declare "Mission Accomplished", unlike some suckers we all know. Any penalties or crimes should be laid directly at Cheney's feet as well as Bush's.
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I’m not sure why Mr. Bugliosi is saying that this cannot be done. While it is true that Bush cannot be prosecuted in a US court, (under OUR federal laws) for the deaths of innocent Iraqis, he (and his cohorts) CAN be tried at the Hague, by the International Community. Now I don’t know off the top of my head if this is something that would have to initiate with the Iraqis, or if it is something that any other nation state could originate, but the number of International Laws that have been violated by the Bush regime are too numerous to count on just my two hands, and based on that, it would seem to me that any nation state could bring about these charges in the ICC. As a matter of fact, I’m counting on that happening.
The crimes of the Bush regime are no less than the crimes of the Hitler regime, and while the Nuremburg tribunals still didn’t get all of those responsible, (including those at the very top, since Hitler conveniently took himself out) there is still plenty of reason to set up the same type of arrangements for George Bush and all of his accomplices at the International level.
Meantime, there’s no reason not to charge him here, for the 4,000 (now more than that) troops that have died because of him. Needless to say, he can’t get more than one death penalty sentence, but he can still be tried on our federal level here, (and add treason and some other things to it) and in the International Community as well.
Like I said, I’m counting on it. They got Pinochet, and they got Saddam, and they got Mislovic, so there’s no reason we can’t do the same on behalf of Dick Bush.
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Posted by: souldawg on Jun 2, 2008 6:11 PM
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We reap what we sow. We sow war. The question is: If we Americans could stay Conscious for longer than a nano second and actually focus our attention on the truth would we allow pricks like Bush and Cheney get away with being war criminals? Do we realize if we do that we are morally complicit in their crimes? Sweeping the ugly truth under the carpet will not alter the simple truth that we reap what we sow. We as a nation are at a crossroads.
The America that created something as extraordinary as the constitution may be nothing but mythology today.
Its up to us to wake up and create something worth a shit with all the freedom we've enjoyed for two centuries. Are we worthy of that freedom anymore? The proving time is NOW....
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Posted by: HoboHomo on May 24, 2008 12:55 AM
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Maybe the Dems sold out long, long ago, and they are now nothing more than an obdient serf to Republican lords?
Are these D.C. Dem-igods standing in the way of TRUE reform and democratization? Is perhaps Karma about to knock these traitors down, to pave the way to genuine patriots of the old-school liberal stripe? (Read Martin Cohen's book "The Faith of a Liberal" pub'd in 1946.)
And the first Sacred Dem-Cow to be toppled is Master Teddie-Kay, the last of the Camelot Dynasty, The Kennedys? Oh c'mon, peoples, you ALL know that family's corruption and their profiteering off sweat shops, child labor and the Great Depression!
He is but the first domino. Let's place our bets on those who will topple next! Hillary? Obama? Feinstein? Boxer? The list goes on!
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Posted by: lavendula13 on May 24, 2008 4:33 AM
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Congress has tied its own hands with the rope of political chicanery. How can it reach for Bush's neck? The only way out is to develop clean/alternative energy resources, but Americans appear, by and large, to be too spoiled to make the sacrifices necessary implied by that alternate road to future economic survival.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on May 24, 2008 4:38 AM
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"George W. Bush will be remembered in history, primarily, as the first (pray last) former chief executive to go to federal prison. He will die there. Sound crazy? Stay tuned"
From the first posting of "The Rant"
June 2, 2006
That's why it os so important that Barack Obama be elected in November. If McCain is elected, Bush and Cheney's crimes will be swept under the rug.
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Posted by: mnatra on May 24, 2008 4:44 AM
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The mainstream press is pure trash and his mouth piece and should be given very little credibility.
It is our hope that a sensible prosecutor will take up that challenge ASAP he leaves office.
If he is held accountable, there is hope for our country; as we celebrate memorial day upon many graves.
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Posted by: Artkansas on May 24, 2008 4:48 AM
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If capital punishment is a deterrent, perhaps this will let people know that no one is above the law.
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Posted by: Bayardtom on May 24, 2008 5:06 AM
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Can somebody tell me why Bush and his cohorts are not in prison? I am one of thousands or millions who daily write, sign petitions or call our legislators about this subject.
My husband and I suspect that we have been targeted because we are openly critical of this administration. We are being audited by the IRS when we have never been audited before and we are senior citizens.
So, what do we do to assure that justice is done? There are so many people telling the truth out there and still the Congress does nothing.The only suggestion I have is that we all, yes, you, too, contact our representatives and demand that they act on impeachment proceedings.They can be replaced and should be if they do not defend and protect the Constitution. That's their job!
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on May 24, 2008 5:13 AM
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If for no other reason, but to give pause to those that would create similar holocausts in the future.
But as someone has said here, we have the government we deserve. I believe that Bush is a mirror of our values today. How else can this all be explained? ESPECIALLY the tolerance for his crimes.
Speaking of government we deserve...look at the candidates we have to look forward to...corporate whores all...just one is worse than the other.
AND lets not forget the corruption that has led to the literal bankruptcy of this country through this war, morally and fiscally.
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Posted by: bettejo on May 24, 2008 5:16 AM
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What I do believe ought to happen (and it is mind boggling to me that is hasn't) is these men ought to be dragged out of their ivory towers-be it the white house or the pentagon, etc... and placed in jail (general population) to await trial for their crimes against this nation. If they can only be charged for American deaths under our nation's rules, so be it. 4000+ homicides is a good start. And after they are tried here, they ought to be sent on to the Hague where they can be prosecuted for crimes against humanity-including but not limited to Iraqi deaths, the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation, the illegal detention and torture of thousands, etc...
If Bush walks out of the White House in January with his freedom and his pension intact, Americans truly have gotten what they deserve. Unfortunately, the rest of the world that Bush has laid waste to does not deserve it.
So, I say forget impeachment. Arrest them, try them and then send them on to the rest of the world to do the same.
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Posted by: John Rice on May 24, 2008 5:20 AM
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Does no one remember the anthrax attacks on the ones in Congress questioning 9-11? With government-grade WMD material? Still unsolved?
The message was received loud and clear, and they are all scared shitless, and probably with good reason. After all, they have the opportunity to know the real machinations of government far better than we do...
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Posted by: carbon-based on May 24, 2008 6:03 AM
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I also don't see where he says:
FDR should have been impeached for knowingly allowing Japan to attack Pearl when we could have prepared defenses..
Where is the charges against Gore for giving anti American speeches to the Saudis (oops, there's that Arab connection) while America is at war..
How about Truman for getting us involved in Korea!
Or Carter for screwing up in the mideast...
Oh, and my favorite.where is the outrage against Hanoi Jane Fonda - I always wondered if she actually took a few shots at some American B52's while on that AA gun.
The author lives in the make believe world of us and them..repub's and dem's..like there is a difference. Our two party dictatorship moves as one in most cases.screaming about thew other side as they might!
Everyone misses the point that while Clinton getting off in the Whitehouse may not seem like much - it could be viewed as just one of those things that fell into place allowing 9/11 to happen. It has been mentioned more than once that Clinton was so preoccupied with this case that his eye was totally off the Al Qaeda ball.
Bush will never be impeached, hung or anything else. In the end he, to me anyway, is nothing more than a President who was incapable of running a country but so strong in his will and actions combined with a congress of sheep acting in the shadow of 9/11 & misreading intel.
Some could argue that he caused the death of Saddam ( a good thing) - Iraqi caused the death of themselves (unfortunate)..
In any case lets hope Obama can go along way repairing the damage Bush has done to this country and lets also hope he can keep this country as safe as Bush did!
My bet is this book will be in the 2 for $1 bin shortly!
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Posted by: Izzy Stoner on May 24, 2008 7:04 AM
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When the right wing is demoralized and drowning, you throw them an anchor, not a life preserver. Unfortunately, too many activists think that throwing a tantrum is the same as changing a policy. Doing things just because they make us feel good is often counterproductive.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on May 24, 2008 7:20 AM
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The man, and what he stands for, is more important than any equal protection under the laws. Of course, to some degree that has been true since the beginning of this nation.
So what does Mr. Bush's freedom from prosecution really mean? We accept and go along with his illegal robbery of Iraqi oil, and his methods to acquire that oil.
Again, this has been true of the public since the beginning of this nation. The public profited from the murder and thieft of native lands, the salvery of Black Africans, the domination of the world economic system.
Everything that George W. Bush has done in our name, we, as a nation, support because it is profitable to the people.
We cannot face the realization that we are the responsible enablers of Mr. Bush's murderous plunder of Iraq and much of the world.
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Posted by: kenkruger on May 24, 2008 7:41 AM
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I believe these cretins manipulated us into war to pursue their own agenda. But proving an actual deception in a court of law would prove to be very problematic.
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Posted by: johnjmccarthy on May 24, 2008 7:57 AM
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None of the alleged 19 highjacker's names made it onto any manifest of any plane that took of anywhere on 911.
Just think of this as a court of public opinion rather than a court of law....lie once and all testimony before and after MUST be considered suspect or a lie also.
"When I saw the first plane hit the tower I thought "Now thats a bad pilot".....Bush at a public meeting. The first plane to hit the tower was not televised until the day after 911 and Andy Card is reported to have notified Bush of the SECOND PLANE hitting the WTC while the reading of My Pet Goat was being read by a seven year old. There was no interruption because the president "didn't want to upset the children". No action was taken by the Secret Service to protect the president as the nation "Was under attack".
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Posted by: meetmeineleusis on May 24, 2008 8:08 AM
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Give up on trying to prosecute him, and just look towards the future. Teach your children the values of democracy so these awful times aren't repeated during their lives. Bush has already won, but that doesn't mean the game is over. Chalk it up as a loss and work for the future.
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Posted by: topview on May 24, 2008 8:09 AM
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I think if enough people get involved, we can force Congress to allow the rights of the people.
If you want to learn more about it and get your ass involved, go to the website and sign up
Article V Convention
I think if enough do we may prevail in some way to make these MURDERERS be held responsible for their Crimes. I would love to trip the trigger on the rope around Bush and Cheneys Neck.Just like they did to Saddam.
We have a lot to do to right the wrongs these Bastards have done to the world!
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Posted by: splaceman on May 24, 2008 8:13 AM
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Bush cannot be prosecuted and taken off the picture (FL2004) for it is he, and only he, that in the greater scheme of things, represents the negotiating face of the meta-elites that ultimately owe, deal, and can stake our economy the way he has, to oblige to the Saudi kings' need for egemony over the arab world.
The rest, you know, Democracy, and justice an the Olympics and Universal health insurance, that is just the circus that keeps the people distracted from the meta-games and deals.
Bush failed to the Saudis, for Iran's and China's sway of power over that region is the ultimate Bush failure, not the measly deaths of a few hundred thousand. 9-11 was simply the wake-up cal, the jolt to the Bush dynasty's balls to wake up and take action on behalf of House of Saudi against Iraq/Iran. Bush-I did his part with Kuwait. W failed. The evident rush to take Iraq necessitated the lies and to act despite any law, common sense, or ethics. The urgency of Bush-Chenney-Rove,Inc. was to save the family biz and spare the economy from the wrath that is being wraught by this Faustian deal, for this he (America) will be punished.
You can impeach or execute the monkey messenger, but we all know he is just a puppet, a face to a very ingrained machinery of ulterior purpose and intent, the real "Terror" will come at the pump, $4 and beyond will render 'hell' where once 'dream' characterized American identity.
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Posted by: Ottomatic on May 24, 2008 8:19 AM
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More propaganda.
They are invading the Indie Media with
BU__! SH__!
They own 99.9% of everything and want the last Nickel in your pocket.
That is what is wrong with
Corpirate Capitalism.
It's a sham.
All for me and None for you.
Can you hear me now?
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Posted by: bryangalt on May 24, 2008 8:40 AM
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Mr. Bush and Company can be charged under at least a dozen different federal statutes for what crimes they have committed, several of these crimes have enhancements for willful falsification of evidence which led to conflict and resulted in the death of US citizens, loss of US assets, etc. If you or I were to come before Congress and flat out lie about something as monumental as Bush lied, we would have already been cooked by now.
I also sent an email to the special prosecutor's office at the Hague suggesting that their duties in the matter of the Bush administration are clear. The United States, under misdirection from the Bush Administration, is guilty of mass murder of the Iraqi people, violation of International convents against the mistreatment of prisoners of war, and probably guilty of mass murder in Afghanistan as well. Plus, the use of kidnapping and terrorist conduct by agents of the United States who have engaged in kidnapping citizens of foreign countries within their soveriegn boundaries, is a violation of everything that the People of the United States purport to believe in.
Frankly, we cannot expect Congress to take any action against Bush, regardless of the war issue, or the fact that his economic policies will lead to our drop from the top economic powerhouse in the world, or that his absolute ignorance has led us to be the laughing stock of the entire world, or that his faith in "Jebus" is far more of a driving force in his actions than people realize (he and his psycotic followers want to help God out be bring about the mass destruction of most of humanity, thus allowing "Jesus" to return to Earth! Wow).
This question is too big for Congress or religious chieftans, but I have to ask it anyway: Why would an all-knowing, omnipotent GOD, need any of us to help him return to Earth and dole out totalitarian punishments? If GOD wants his people to be mass murderers, what kind of GOD is this that the religious nuts are praying to return?
The only other point I can make is that I believe the Bush family has carried on the tradition started by J. Edgar Hoover, keeping dosiere's on all key federal officers and on every member of Congress. As a reminder, Hoover kept a file on every member of Congress in his office until the day he died. Bush, Sr. was the head of the CIA when Hoover died, so it is reasonable to suspect that the files or the methods used to get them could have been absorbed by the CIA.
That to me is the only viable explanation as to why the Congress has only wimpered away as "the village Idiot" has violated federal and international laws, violated his Oath of Office to UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND EXECUTIVE, and have therefore severely jeopardized our country and its future to save their own scaly hides.
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Posted by: amacd on May 24, 2008 8:41 AM
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"Unfortunately, although a majority of Americans (like the majority of posters here) know that the Bush regime has committed war crimes (including torture, and what the Nuremberg Tribunal called the '"supreme war crime" of launching an aggressive war), little will be done by Conyers' committee or anyone else in this government.
Little will be done for two seminal reasons:
1. The corporatist media will continue to create and support the impression that 'nothing is really all that wrong with Bush' by continuing to report on his activities as if he were a normal president.
Just a quick google of the NYT and all other mainstream news will readily show hundreds of unremarkable articles that seriously and rationally describe; “Bush says …, Bush believes …, Bush confirms …, Bush directs…,” etc. reporting “the president’s” thoughts, and actions as if they are sane and normal actions of a real president --- rather than the rantings of an undemocratic war criminal. The same is done by the Zimbabweian press in making Mugabe look like a rational and sane president to the people of that country. The same is done by the Iranian press in making Ahmadinejad look like a rational and sane president to the people of Iran. And the same was done by the German press reporting Hitler’s comments as if he were a normal leader.
2. Even more important in hiding a rogue leader than the cover of a falsely comforting and accommodating press are the actions of a corporatist ruling elite empire hiding behind a fully complicit, two-party ‘Vichy’ government, which continues to accord the leader a seriousness and honesty which he no longer deserves, and to provide him with the funding flexibility to continue unjust and immoral militarist resources and allow him to continue an illegal war --- which both destroys the economy of the country so afflicted, and to kill uncounted numbers of innocent citizens in falsely attacked foreign countries.
This very day the US Senate has again acted precisely as a ‘Vichy’ government for this insane international war criminal, recidivist preemptive war launcher, and mass murderer, by giving him the better part of another $200Billion to continue this current war torture, and to make possible the launching of the next, and greater nuclear holocaust.
The net effect of these two concomitant sins of a ‘Vichy’ government and a ‘Vichy’ press is to allow their nation’s democratic republic to devolve into empire."
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
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Posted by: larazzafilms on May 24, 2008 8:48 AM
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Remember, a loosing football team does not lose because of the lack of talent it posceses! It looses, because of the heart in which they bring onto the field! The exsample of our coach is what motivates the growth in all of us. The question is, when will "we all" begin to recongizes the quality of truth within the preached upon leaders?
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Posted by: grkjr on May 24, 2008 8:52 AM
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Posted by: counterpoint on May 24, 2008 8:53 AM
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How America Gets Away With Murder: Illegal Wars, Collateral Damage and Crimes Against Humanity
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Book Description
The US has claimed the moral high ground in its recent wars. But how is this position tenable if those wars were in fact illegal?
Through a thorough exploration of the recent wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Kosovo, and the attempts of the US to legitimise them, Michael Mandel casts a critical eye on the claims the US makes for its wars – "humanitarian intervention" and "self-defence" – and unpacks the complex moral and legal issues underpinning recent US military action. Michael Mandel shows how international law is a malleable entity which the US can bend in its favour, but even then there are many times when it goes against the law and fights wars illegally.
Mandel also explores the recent war crimes trials of those who lose their battle with the US, and the trial of Slobodan Milosevic in particular. Mandel argues that the trials are not actually about ending war crimes, or impunity for war crimes, but about selectively punishing "the usual suspects" as part of the imperial strategy of the great powers – primarily the United States. Mandel also highlights how hypocritical such trials are – Milosevic is tried with great ceremony for his crimes, while America is not. In fact, Mandel shows how these tribunals shield America and its allies from responsibility for what is termed "collateral damage", but what is in reality murder on a vast scale.
About the Author
Michael Mandel is Professor of Law at Osgoode Hall Law School, York University, Toronto, Canada. He frequently appears as a commentator on radio and television and in op-ed pages in Canada and throughout the world. In 1999 he led an international effort to have NATO leaders prosecuted for war crimes committed in Kosovo. He is currently co-Chair of Lawyers Against the War (Canada), formed in 2001 to oppose America's War on Terrorism. He is a contributor to Beyond September 11: An Anthology of Dissent, edited by Phil Scraton (Pluto Press, 2002).
How America Gets Away With Murder
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Posted by: HughScott on May 24, 2008 8:56 AM
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Are we to believe during 20 years of binge drinking, Bush never received mercy from a cop or highway patrolman after being stopped for being under the influence?
In his autobiography, George W. asked himself rhetorically in regards to drunken driving, “How in the hell did I keep from killing someone?”
Good luck, obviously, but that wasn’t the case for capital punishment inmates at Huntsville State Prison during his governorship.
In the defunct magazine, Talk, he reportedly discussed one of his execution victims, Karla Faye Tucker, a convicted murderess who became a sincere and devoted Christian on death row.
George W. apparently didn’t believe Karla had changed because during the Talk interview, he imitated her failed appeal for mercy by pursing his lips, squinting his eyes and saying in a squeaky voice, “Please don’t kill me.”
How sick is that, Bush lovers?
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Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.
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Posted by: poppaphil2007 on May 24, 2008 9:07 AM
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No one, not the MSM, not even Fox News, can deny that our entire administration produced an organized, tactical campaign to drum up support for the war in Iraq. Cheney himself went about the arduous task of tying 9/11 to Saddaam Hussein, with appearances on the morning talk shows. Condaleeza Rice talked about the danger of a "mushroom cloud" being the result of leaving Hussein in power. Colin Powell delivered the speech at the U.N. which served as the signature statement for the necessity of ousting Saddaam. Unfortunately, this administration took an enormous risk in doing what they did. If things in Iraq had gone as predicted by the Neocons, there would be none of this discussion today. But, because things did not go well, and because alternative planing was done on the fly and on the cheap, we are stuck in a no-win situation that has caused severe damage to America's reputation in the world, not to mention the carnage that has been brought to Iraq as a consequence of our invasion.
We have what we have, as, perhaps, Mr. Rumsfeld would have opined. As with any crime committed in America, punishment must follow. Though the MSM and congress has seemed intentionally loathe to hold Bush et al. responsible, Americans need to start telling their representatives that the Bush administration must be brought up on charges for starting a war unnecessarily, after systematically lying to the American people who so earnestly wanted to believe their own government's assertions. So many noble young men and women, believing they were going to Iraq to "keep America safe," have been betrayed by their country, and the betrayors need to be brought to justice.
If we really want to unite our nation, let's begin by getting the bad people out of office, prosecuting them appropriately, and punishing them in accordance with the law. The MSM has to recognize the furor that rages throughout America, and has to acknowledge publicly what people only whisper about now.
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Posted by: johnofphilly on May 24, 2008 9:11 AM
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Here's a question for those who accept the "official" alibi:
what hard evidence can prove bin Laden was responsible for 09/11? Because the presy-dent said so?
I'm afraid that's not good enough. Because of the jihad?
That's circumstantial, easily possibly coincidental.
Don't forget your Bushes have been very cozy with Islamics for a long, long time.
When Sr. Bush & Sr. bin Laden chummed, the juniors were in jeans in the rec room playing pool.
So I ask, what specific hard citable evidence do we have on Osama linking him with 09/11?
And please, for the love of God, don't go banging the drum and wailing yankee doodle.
We know Osama's shifty. He palled with our shifties in the past. Big deal.
A theory based on motive is a misnomer - Bush also had motive.
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Posted by: rhinojos on May 24, 2008 9:39 AM
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He owns and controls most of the media outlets so any negative press on Bush is slashed.
Plus, I think that people in Congress are scared of being assassinated, in whatever guise it may come, they know their place.
Folks, this experiment called Democracy and this land called America ceased to exist somt time ago. Everyone to himself.
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Posted by: Dianka on May 24, 2008 9:57 AM
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Posted by: QQOblivion on May 24, 2008 10:16 AM
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I often hear from conservatives that President Bush has done NOTHING wrong and has NEVER lied. What evidence do they cite to prove this? If he had done something wrong, then he would have been impeached by now. (Since the Democrats in Congress are SO partisan, according to the right-wingers, that they would just LOVE to impeach.)
But on the other hand, Bill Clinton WAS impeached. So he is the devil incarnate.
As for giving Bush the death penalty. That is too good for him. If a person can be put to death for the murder of just one person in this country, how do we put George Bush to death 4000 times, one time for each of the 4000 prosecutable deaths of US troops?
And then there is the aggravating factor of all that torture Bush has ordered.
This monster is sick, but not in a mentally ill kind of way that would lessen his guilt to some extent.
No, he and Cheney are pure EVIL.
I am reminded of that almost every single day by each new revelation.
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Posted by: Dianka on May 24, 2008 10:26 AM
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With one swoop, a Dem president freed up public dollars to help cover the cost of corporate tax "relief", and workers' protections are being rewritten across-the-board (don't bother going on strike; you can be replaced by tomorrow).
It isn't "caving". It's simply a merger of the two primary US parties.
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Posted by: Employee Advocate on May 24, 2008 10:48 AM
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This is the message that I sent to G. W. Bush on March 16, 2003:
“President Bush:
If you go through with this unpopular, uncalled for war, I will support
your removal from office by the most expedient means.
Possible grounds for
impeachment will include the murder of innocent Iraqi people.”
It was obvious to me from the beginning that Bush was manufacturing reasons for HIS war.
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Posted by: ThePublicRecord on May 24, 2008 10:53 AM
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Some White House Emails Lost After Gonzales Told of CIA Leak Probe
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At 8 PM on September 29, 2003, former White House counsel Alberto Gonzales received a phone call from the Department of Justice (DOJ). Gonzales received formal notification that evening that the DOJ had launched a criminal investigation into the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson.
Curiously, the Justice Department, which at the time was headed by John Ashcroft, officially launched the investigation on September 26, 2003, but Ashcroft waited more than three days before notifying Gonzales and the White House, whose high-level staffers were reported to be responsible for disseminating Wilson’s affiliation with the spy agency to the media just two-and-a-half months earlier.
Gonzales asked the DOJ if he could wait until morning before notifying White House staffers about the probe, thereby delaying the issuance of a directive to preserve emails and other documents related to the leak of Wilson’s undercover status federal investigators would need as part of their investigation.
The DOJ agreed.
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Posted by: willymack on May 24, 2008 10:53 AM
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1. Owns and controls most mass media outlets.
2. Has bribed or intimidated nearly everyone in Congress and in the Senate.
3. Has stuffed the not-so-supreme court with stooges.
4. Has politicised the military to the point where they would turn on their own people on orders from the White House, and, finally:
5. Has allowed corporate America to take over every facet of our lives, and steal the futures of our children and grandchildren. Can things get any worse than they are now? Does anyone really want to know?
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Posted by: colek on May 24, 2008 11:51 AM
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The problem for the governing powers these days is the world is too educated. We have the internet - for how long who knows - and we don't need to be spoonfed by corporate media.
The corporate media collaborated with BushCo to make the war happen. This is by no means the first time, it's an ancient tradition. It happened with Nero, Paul Revere used thew same tactic regarding the "Boston Massacre", and of course we could add "The Maine", The Reichstag, Tonkin, and the "Kuwaiti incubators" just to mention a few. All over the internet, hell even in the major media there was enough info to cast doubt on the existence of the so-called WMD's. Anyone remember Hans Blix?
In my first statement I said people of the world are "too educated". By that I do not mean for a moment that the world or even the American public is sufficiently educated - in fact quite the opposite. If the American Public was educated enough they would realize that ABC is propaganda machine operated by the enemies of any freedom loving people. The problem for Congress, the Media, and BushCo is they are the Emperors with no clothes - exposed and visibly naked of any shred of morality, sense of justice or fairness. And just to suppose even 10% of the observing audience can see this must make them feel pretty conspicuous, albeit shameless.
If Americans were educated enough they would realize BushCo are not conservatives, they are Machiavellians. Where's the small gov't, the Constitutional rights, and the aversion to nation building?
Bush doesn't really believe in God, particularly not Christ. I fact he better hope there is not a God or day of judgment. Christ walked with the commoners, opposed war, and stood up for the little guy. Bush is another Caesar, and certainly no Augustus. Caligula actually.
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Posted by: PointMan on May 24, 2008 12:05 PM
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But Bush is a passing garden-variety clod that's scarcely a figurehead front man for Fascist rule. Only corporate brand Fascism could railroad 9/11 false-flag "war on terror" with the aid and comfort of sellout organized crime media.
The fact is, the bloody horror of 9/11 into its "war on terror" proves America is a Fascist state. And the truth is, almost no one wants to say the obvious.
Well, I'm saying it. Washington is a farce and so is the media.
The America of the founders has become "Amerika" for criminal Fascist tyranny. A place where government and media are rigged and operated by autocrats through organized corporate crime.
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Posted by: FRoller on May 24, 2008 12:13 PM
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Here's moving on to the next paragraph...
President Bush is going to fill his library with what? Recordings of his imaginary "successful" economy? Imaginary enemies he's called out and brought to "justice"? What!?? Who is going to visit this library and feel that it really contains all that there was to this presidency? I think we should build a second library (funded by the History channel?) and fill it with as many official documents as we can. The history channel could do it's thing and have monthly specials on the Bush legacy that we are now all experiencing. They could even do a comparison between the two libraries calling out the lies (in either library). The library should also list all of those who are known to have complicitous ties with the war, as well as documents that prove that President Bush is guilty of war crimes. This library needs to stand above the "official" library, forever, as the true history of the Bush (squandered) presidency and it's ruinous outcome. Hopefully all of the contents of this "real" Bush library will inspire someone to use it in the prosecution of this president when he finally leaves office. When the President, and those complicit persons are finally brought to justice and are either given the death penalty or life in prison with no parol we can add those records as well.
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Posted by: opmoc on May 24, 2008 12:20 PM
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But there are still some eminently sensible people in charge of the US Military who have been completely abused by these lunatics with the totally disastrous War in Iraq - without even the basic requirements to do it properly.
They are keeping these lunatics bunkered down in their political arena - completely unwilling to start a process that would result in the probable end of the World.
They are probably on the edge of taking full military control - in fact they probably have done - its just not public knowledge
The process of the Elections will go ahead normally, and the ridiculous current state of insanity will gradually wind down to something that at least approaches normality.
Hope fully Obama will win the election - because he is by far the best person of the available candidates to project an image that America has changed.
Much of the World actually quiet used to love and respect America - for all the positive values that Americans display.
Everyone is currently completely ashamed of the US Government - but not ordinary Americans.
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Posted by: zorba1 on May 24, 2008 12:22 PM
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But Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri is a U.S. resident being held in a South Carolina military brig; he is the only enemy combatant held on U.S. soil.
To justify holding him, the government claimed a broad interpretation of the president's wartime powers, one that goes beyond warrantless wiretapping or monitoring banking transactions. Government lawyers told federal judges that the president can send the military into any U.S. neighborhood, capture a citizen and hold him in prison without charge, indefinitely.
The government says the president needs this power to keep the nation safe. Al-Marri's lawyers say that as long as the president can detain anyone he wants, nobody is safe.
A week after the attacks, Congress unanimously passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force. It gave President Bush the power to "use all necessary and appropriate force" against anyone involved in planning, aiding or carrying out the attacks.
In early 2003, he was indicted on charges of credit card fraud and lying to the FBI. Like anyone else in the country, he had constitutional rights.
On June 23, 2003, Bush declared al-Marri an enemy combatant, which stripped him of those rights. In his jail cell in Peoria, however, he could refuse to speak with investigators.
A military brig allowed more options. Free from the constraints of civilian law, the military could interrogate al-Marri without a lawyer, detain him without charge and hold him indefinitely. Courts have agreed the president has wide latitude to imprison people captured overseas or caught fighting against the U.S. That is what the prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba is for.
But al-Marri was not in Guantanamo Bay.
"The president is not a king and cannot lock people up forever in the United States based on his say-so," said Jonathan Hafetz, a lawyer who represents al-Marri and other detainees. "Today it's Mr. al-Marri. Tomorrow it could be you, a member of your family, someone you know. Once you allow the president to lock people up for years or even life without trial, there's no going back."
Glenn Sulmasy, a national security fellow at Harvard, said the issue comes down to whether the nation is at war. Soldiers would not need warrants to launch a strike against invading troops. So would they need a warrant to raid a house in a U.S. suburb?
Sulmasy says no. That's how Congress wrote the bill and "if they feel concerned about civil liberties, they can tighten up the language.
By comparison, al-Marri had not been on the battlefield. He was lawfully living in the United States. That raises new questions.
These questions play to two of the biggest fears that have dominated public policy debate since Sept. 11: the fear of another terrorist attack and the fear the government will use that threat to crack down on civil liberties.
Courts have gone back and forth on al-Marri's case. The last decision, a 2-1 ruling by a 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel, found that the president had crossed the line and al-Marri must be returned to the civilian court system. Anything else would "alter the constitutional foundations of our Republic.
The full appeals court is reviewing that decision.
"What you assert is the power of the military to seize a person in the United States, including an American citizen, on suspicion?" Judge William B. Traxler asked.
"Yes, your honor," Justice Department lawyer Gregory Garre replied.
Another judge said the question is not whether the president was generous in his use of power; it is whether the power is constitutional.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 24, 2008 12:27 PM
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How is that not a high crime or misdemeanor..?
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Posted by: zorba1 on May 24, 2008 12:33 PM
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They are bush and cheney's partners in crime against America.
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Posted by: artifax on May 24, 2008 2:57 PM
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I guess that's PC. Such BS.
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Posted by: Denver Dem on May 24, 2008 4:32 PM
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In reality, the media will do it’s very best to ignore this book.
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Posted by: Kimmy on May 24, 2008 4:48 PM
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This entire adminsitratin should have already been convicted of Treason, War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity. Along with theri Copr and Banking Fiends!PERSONALLY CRIMINALLY LIABLE FOR HIGH CRIMES and Sentenced to the Highest punishment by law (of course we may start making that up AS WE GO TOO!)
I propose trials similar to 'American Idol' - the evidence is so emmense we could get through at least 4 a week. We all vote 'thumb Up or Down' Roman style on our laptops, Iphones or telephone call lines.Considering the number we have to get through we could ahve years of entertainment and SATISFACTION!
And of course the Crooks on Wal street & the Banking industry can alos 'compete' on theri 'creditors' national TV Shows TOO!!Since they have Enslaved US & our children to these 'Creditors'without our consent- i suggest we hold them responsible for the 'Payback' Due.Lets not send out Athelets to China this Summer lets send our 'Inside Traders (TRAITORS)
Start with Cheney, Rummy & wolfie and work Our way outward (and backward, they've been at this for 40 yrs).NO MERCY!
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Posted by: 2dogarage on May 24, 2008 6:10 PM
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Bush is responsible (backed by megalomaniac puppetmasters) for thousands and thousands of deaths and no one gives a good goddamn.
Not even Howard Zinn or Noam Chomskey are brave enough to state the obvious, we have a psychopath in office who is zealously complicit with the wealth-consolidation industry who is getting away with mass murder to the detriment of us all and no one is doing a fucking thing about it.
Maybe (obviously?) no one can.
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Posted by: sgs on May 24, 2008 6:24 PM
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Bush's arrogant behavior regarding a prisoner who begged for her life, and his mimicking her pleas...
I can't think of a human who has done worse than that.
Off with his head!
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Posted by: rinpochet on May 24, 2008 9:52 PM
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I have no idea of the legalities of this but if they won't impeach him, at least civil and possibly criminal charges, hopefully thousands could be brought against him, and of course Cheney, with the possibility that many will stick.
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Posted by: Turiye on May 25, 2008 12:17 AM
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This is an experienced member of the House and he knew what he was about to say would HAVE to be withdrawn but Dennis put it out there.
So NO it was not just Vermont and wherever, it was the House Floor and IT WAS DENNIS KUCINICH!
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