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U.S. Sergeant Refuses to Go to Iraq: "This Occupation is Unconstitutional and Illegal"

By Karin Zeitvogel, Middle East Online. Posted May 16, 2008.


On Capitol Hill yesterday, an American soldier named Matthis Chiroux publicly announced his refusal to deploy to Iraq.

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Matthis Chiroux is the kind of young American U.S. military recruiters love.

"I was from a poor, white family from the south, and I did badly in school," the now 24-year-old said.

"I was 'filet mignon' for recruiters. They started phoning me when I was in 10th grade," or around 16 years old, he added.

Chiroux joined the U.S. army straight out of high school nearly six years ago, and worked his way up from private to sergeant.

He served in Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, and the Philippines and was due to be deployed next month in Iraq.

On Thursday, he refused to go, saying he considers Iraq an illegal war.

"I stand before you today with the strength and clarity and resolve to declare to the military, my government and the world that this soldier will not be deploying to Iraq," Chiroux said in the sun-filled rotunda of a congressional building in Washington.

"My decision is based on my desire to no longer continue violating my core values to support an illegal and unconstitutional occupation… I refuse to participate in the Iraq occupation," he said, as a dozen veterans of the five-year-old Iraq war looked on.

Minutes earlier, Chiroux had cried openly as he listened to former comrades-in-arms testify before members of Congress about the failings of the Iraq war.

The testimonies were the first before Congress by Iraq veterans who have turned against the five-year-old war.

Former army sergeant Kristofer Goldsmith told a half-dozen US lawmakers and scores of people who packed into a small hearing room of "lawless murders, looting and the abuse of countless Iraqis."

He spoke of the psychologically fragile men and women who return from Iraq, to find little help or treatment offered from official circles.

Goldsmith said he had "self-medicated" for several months to treat the wounds of the war.

Another soldier said he had to boost his dosage of medication to treat anxiety and social agoraphobia -- two of many lingering mental wounds he carries since his deployments in Iraq -- before testifying.

Some 300,000 of the 1.6 million US soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from the psychological traumas of post-traumatic stress disorder, depression or both, an independent study showed last month.

A group of veterans sitting in the hearing room gazed blankly as their comrades' testimonies shattered the official version that the US effort in Iraq is succeeding.

Almost to a man, the soldiers who testified denounced serious flaws in the chain of command in Iraq.

Luis Montalvan, a former army captain, accused high-ranking U.S. officers of numerous failures in Iraq, including turning a blind eye to massive fraud on the part of U.S. contractors.

Ex-Marine Jason Lemieux told how a senior officer had altered a report he had written because it slammed U.S. troops of using excessive force, firing off thousands of rounds of machine gun fire and hundreds of grenades in the face of a feeble four rounds of enemy fire.

Goldsmith accused U.S. officials of censorship.

"Everyone who manages a blog, Facebook or MySpace out of Iraq has to register every video, picture, document of any event they do on mission," Goldsmith said after the hearing.

"You're almost always denied before you are allowed to send them home."

Officials take "hard facts and slice them into small pieces to make them presentable to the secretary of state or the president -- and all with the intent of furthering the occupation of Iraq," Goldsmith added.

Chiroux is one of thousands of U.S. soldiers who have deserted since the Iraq war began in 2003, according to figures issued last year by the US army.

But while many seek refuge in Canada, the young soldier vowed to stay in the United States to fight "whatever charges the army levels at me."

The US army defines a deserter as someone who has been absent without leave for 30 days.

Chiroux stood fast in his resolve to not report for duty on June 15.

"I cannot deploy to Iraq, carry a weapon and not be part of the problem," he said.

Watch video footage of Matthis Chiroux's announcement here.

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Military is Educational
Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on May 16, 2008 11:26 AM   
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This young man has shown that one can have a poor education and become educated while in the military service. He is smart enough to realize that the entire Iraq fiasco was illegal from the get-go. Good for him! If I were in the military, I wouldn't go either. Why ignore your principles and the bible to persecute poor oppressed people?

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Not a democracy
Posted by: carbon-based on May 16, 2008 11:30 AM   
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Interesting article but one has to remember this isn't a police action.. One does not count shells fired in response to what the enemy fires. This is not NYC!! Hopefully we fire alot more than they do so our people come home safe!

We train soldiers to kill and if our government is so reckless as to send them in someplace they need to expect they will kill someone..hopefully a lot of people. Thats the point..

So when our military is sent in it should be for a good reason - and it should be for a mission well explained and reasoned..which this isn't.

I dont blame the sargent for not wanting to delpoy but unfortunately for him..it's not his decision, the military is not a democracy - he will and should do jail time..which I suspect he feels is better than doing time in Iraq!

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» RE: Not a democracy Posted by: polkpop
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» RE: Well Said Posted by: photon's feather
I'd love to see . . .
Posted by: Scientz on May 16, 2008 11:31 AM   
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. . . more and more of this type of bravery.

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» RE: I'd love to see . . . Posted by: davesilvan
» RE: I'd love to see . . . Posted by: Bright Penny
Pastor Dak here....
Posted by: Dak on May 16, 2008 12:58 PM   
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Dave, I would tend to disagree with you to some extent with the proposition that if, per chance 5000 soldiers, AND their parents, relatives, friends, etc., challenged the military upper echelon...hmmmm....you see where this is going, right? Where the devil are they going to put 5000+ soldiers without building new prisons? And just how are we going to build new prisons with the economy the way it is.
I would venture to guess that we will see arrests and impeachment moves before we see too much prison time. Possibly they might kick them out on a general discharge.
Who knows?! We are already seeing some wild denials of funds, etc., in a very PO'd Congress! Do you suppose they are finally catching on???!!

George M Melby, Pastor

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Democracy?
Posted by: writerman on May 16, 2008 1:02 PM   
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But in a democratic society the military should reflect fundamental democratic values, clearly not on the battlefield in a firefight, but just saying the military is not a democracy doesn't mean democratic standards can be pushed to one side.

What's obvious is that the United States is easily the most militeristic society in the Western world. The size and position of the military in US society has gotten almost completely out of control. It's almost as if it's the only institution that really works anymore compared to the rest of society which seems to be falling appart. This has profound implications for the rest of society.

It's almost as if America has now become a military machine that owns and controls a country for its benefit and not the other way around! This is a very unhealthy development. Soon, as the Empire becomes increasingly violent and expensive, requiring more and more of societies scarce resources, the power of the military in society will increase way beyond what we're used to. The military will become the only real part of the state that functions properly, just like in a third world nation. Once again this has profound implications for the future of the American democratic experiment.

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» RE: Democracy? Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Democracy? Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand
» RE: Democracy? Posted by: swamiji
More need to do the same-We have Domestic Enemies
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 16, 2008 1:21 PM   
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Good fro him and I would Pat any other soldier to do the same. Since Congress & SCOTUS hav eproven themselves Complicite with this Admin in activities which constitute Derelcition of Duty,Reckless endangerment, Treason ,WArcrimes and Crimes against Humanity we need all the Trained military we can get back home to arrest every last one of these Criminals so that they may finally Stand Trial.Refuse to return, to go, Go AWOL - But Come Home, Liberate our equipment as needed Too! Bug Out ladies & Gentlemen this has been nothing more than a diversional tactic!

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illegal
Posted by: needler on May 16, 2008 2:38 PM   
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The war is not illegal yet but it will be soon!


Click here for the story!!!

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pop
Posted by: Pop on May 16, 2008 3:14 PM   
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The war is not legal, as the reasons for the invasion was based on lies of the Bush regime. Iraq was not a threat to the US and our government knew it. The young troops that refuse to go deserve our highest respect.

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» RE: pop Posted by: Lauren
» RE: pop/illegal war Posted by: grethart
A standing ovation for this young man,
Posted by: kentigereyes@yahoo.com on May 16, 2008 3:20 PM   
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and those that are telling the truth about what really has been going on in Iwrack. I also applaud the soldiers that are in Iwrack, for trying to do a good job in a terrible situation. I have nothing but a one-finger salute for the despicably evil "w"/DICKY regime that has put these young men and women in such a fiasco. May the true "axis of evil"(george"johnWayne"bush, DICKY, DONNY, KARL, Condo, a few generals, et.al.)spend the rest of their lives in real prisons for war crimes, murder, and thievery. I can't think of a better place for these jerks to wallow in what will be the worst legacy in the history of the United States of Arrogance. I only wish that those who put these horrible people in power could join them in prison. Oh yeah, I am very p____d. This country is in very deep doo. TFL, Ken

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American for liberty, truth, and justice
Posted by: Michael_D on May 16, 2008 3:56 PM   
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Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:11

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16, too young to vote, too young.....
Posted by: CJC on May 16, 2008 4:02 PM   
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Matthis Chiroux was too young to vote, much too young to drink legally, barely old enough to drive when the military started whispering in his ear. The military knows exactly what it's doing seducing a poor student from a "poor white family in the South." So he signs up and after 6 years has smartened up enough to know he does not want to go to Iraq and has learned how to speak eloquently, if the words he's quoted saying are his own. Meanwhile, almost none of the children of the members of Congress have joined the military, and those who did probably were not young people blandished by the opportunity to escape poverty and a limited future. We know that the senior members of the Bush administration managed to escape service in Vietnam and certainly the children of Bush and Cheney have "had better things to do with their lives" than join the military and rub shoulders with Chiroux, or even Pat Tillman.

Bravo to Chiroux for facing up to his decision not to go to Iraq. Not only is the war a disaster and a blunder from the day it was first imagined by some neocons probably 20 years ago, our young men and women risk returning home physically and/or psychically damaged from what they see and what they may be compelled to do. He has more courage than hundreds and hundreds of politicians and pundits who were wrong from the beginning but still don't want to own up to the havoc they supported (or lacked the brainpower to imagine.) It will be a tragedy for Chiroux and the country if he has to languish in prison for his temerity to challenge the system. He's a hero too.

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The KIND
Posted by: Rosasharn on May 16, 2008 4:22 PM   
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Matthis Chiroux is the kind of young American that gives HOPE to the world. Matthis, dear, you are the MAN! Your courage in standing up for TRUTH is GRANDLY appreciated. That is HEROISM and true PATRIOTISM!

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» RE: The KIND Posted by: Lauren
I Was On the Hill Yesterday, Where was ALTERNET, I didn't see you in that room?
Posted by: Turiye on May 16, 2008 7:12 PM   
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I was asked after their testtimony by a journalist from the French Press, that DID report the Winter Soldier testimony in March, "I noticed your emotions and the times you weren't able to control your eyes and expressions, why are You so affected, more so than many attending?". I explained I am VFP, DelValVets4America, Disabled American Veteran and supporter of IVAW and VVAW. I told her their pain was mine, they are my Brother and Sister Vets, they are soldiers and as such are trained to follow orders and they are victims of Stop-Loss and it is painful to watch their grief and guilt and I respect their honesty and committment to the victims of the Occupation. I said it is bush/cheney/rice/rumsfeld/mukasey/ashcroft/yoo/petraeus and all that have kept this Occupaton going and ordering kids to do their filthy murdering jobs for their gratification.
This is recorded, SWORN testimony before Congress and they will testify in front of any and all Committees by sworn testimony.
I wanted to thank the 2 Nazis from thegatheringofeagles that came in passing off literature in the presence of Congress and photographing all of our faces, as if the Stassi from homeland doesn't already have photos. Chickenhawks the both of them.
To help Matthis and to view the Testimony on the Hill from yesterday go to http://www.ivaw.org
Watch it for yourself, and for all of you naysayers, SWORN TESTIMONY, okay????

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God bless Matthias and those men!!
Posted by: mountainmama on May 16, 2008 7:27 PM   
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These are the real, true heros...unafraid of coming forth to tell the truth. Is this not what we REALLLY want our soldiers to be? Honest and facing so much against them fighting for the truth and trying to save other's lives!

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Good to See Some Brave Men Left in the Military!
Posted by: edgar_michel on May 16, 2008 7:58 PM   
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I think these brave men deserve our unflinching support. Perhaps if more people would stand up to power like these men did we would actually be doing something about global warming rather than wasting all the resources of this nation "remaking the map of the Middle East," just so Raytheon, Halliburton, Lockheed, General Electric, etc., can continue to make obscene profits off a declining economy, while impoverishing the rest of us. Fight for America, not Dubai! The fight is here at home re-building our own economy and our own knowledge of how to build our society so that we conquer global warming and challenge the world to conquer it with us.

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ms young
Posted by: keala on May 16, 2008 10:36 PM   
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Has anyone else heard about the commissioned officer Lt. Ehren Watada? He was court martialled for refusing to deploy to Iraq in June 2006; he was the first commissioned officer to publicly refuse deployment to Iraq, saying it was illegal and unjust. So far as I know, he remains at Ft. Lewis, Washington.

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» RE: ms young Posted by: Dboy
Your so fine you blow my mind America......not
Posted by: Smiggsy on May 17, 2008 1:53 AM   
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The system running the USA makes me sick & nauseated. These brave kids need your help YESTERDAY for f@cks sake.

Didn't you people make revolution famous or something? Well don't just sit there...

Come on people....grow some balls already (shakes clenched fist politely in your general direction)

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These our the heros
Posted by: packofwolves on May 17, 2008 4:56 AM   
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Congratulations soilders! Although I regret the consequences you may face by standing up for what is right, I congratulate you for your bravery and heroism. In my book, you are the true heros of this war and of our country. This is an unjust war perpetrated by corrput leaders and until we stand up against these monsters and refuse to be a part of their crimes nothing will ever change. I hope other Americans will be inspired by your bravery and stand up for what's right. IMPEACH BUSH-CHENEY and try them for their war crimes. QUESTION AUTHORITY.

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» RE: These our the heros Posted by: Lauren
Braver than you think
Posted by: Erin on May 17, 2008 5:40 AM   
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Yes, this young man is brave for standing before Congress and telling the truth and then saying that he will not deploy. But he, and anyone else who is still on active duty, is braver than you think in doing this. I know people in uniform and they have told me that even though a majority of service men and women have similar stories and feelings about this war, there is a law that if you speak out while still in the military you will be arrested for Treason. That is why, if you have noticed, most military personel only come forward after they retire.

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» RE: Braver than you think Posted by: Lauren
Sinclair Lewis once said Facism will come to this country Draped in the Flag and carrying a Cross.
Posted by: KyGentleman on May 17, 2008 6:04 AM   
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One of my favorite quotes from an american author is the one I made above. His words are ringing true now.....

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Yeah, but is it profitable?
Posted by: Lauren on May 17, 2008 7:37 AM   
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Which of our lawmakers is actually $$ benefitting from this boondoggle?

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He has the RIGHT!
Posted by: weslen1 on May 17, 2008 7:41 AM   
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Members of all branches of the military HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE TO OBEY OFFICERS ORDERS TO BREAK THE LAW. This young man is well within his RIGHTS. And I'll TELL YOU WHAT!! FOR HIM TO STAY HERE AND FIGHT WHATEVER CHARGES ARE BROUGHT, BRING THEM OUT IN THE OPEN, TAKES MORE GUTS THAN MOST OF US WOULD HAVE.
I watched most of those hearings. How many of you knew the hummers they were issued to use had plastic doors? How many of you know hundreds of the new armored vehicles that are bomb resistant were given to the Iraqi Army BEFORE American soldiers saw ONE?
How many of you know about KBR (?) re-selling bullets and other ammunition and then giving American soldiers out-dated bullets and ammunition that didn't work?
These are just TWO examples. There are THOUSANDS!!! Halliburton, KBR, and Blackwater are ROTTEN TO THE CORE and I hope this ONE BRAVE YOUNG MAN AND ALL THE BRAVE YOUNG MEN WHO TESTIFIED win THIS BATTLE HANDS DOWN!!

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» RE: He has the RIGHT! Posted by: nomoreblinders
» We all have the right. Posted by: robbie.seal
AWOL for thirty days
Posted by: bobtr900 on May 17, 2008 7:52 AM   
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That sounds like our prez, George W. Bush, AWOL from his ANG post because he was so drunk he was afraid to fly his plane. Is that why he is afraid to ride a horse now.
And while I'm at it I sincerely doubt that he landed that plane on the aircraft carrier when he proclaimed that combat operations were over in Iraq back in 2003. No one would let that guy land on a carrier. In fact as I understand it NO ONE, NO PILOT can land on an aircraft carrier that does not have up to date carrier flight status clearance. 'Traps' on carriers are always dangerous and considered 'controlled crashes' by those who do them. That Bush landed on that carrier strains, no, defies all credibility.

Com' on and pul'eeze. Give us all a break. This bum keeps shoveling and we are supposed to keep buying it.

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Thanks to all those that are standing up against the the machine.
Posted by: common intelligence on May 17, 2008 7:52 AM   
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As a Vetran it is our duty rather while enlisted or here at home to protect Americans from ALL enemies foreign and Specifically Domestic. This includes resposibility to have a clear understanding to recognize terranical injustices in our involvments as any solder or citizen. Exposing them and standing against them is our duty, as for all Americans. But more so removing them and making them accountable.

Those that condone blind, mindless compliance regardlessly, by way of any contractual adherance to signing up to be a regulated pawn are themselves guilty of teason. And they themselves are not protecting the real interests of the United States.

For what is allegedly happening in the name of the United States interests in the world has not to do with our countries peoples beliefs , laws, or benefit for humanity, but is a corporate empire surge for world domination and control of the earths resouces, damn the peoples. floura and fauna of earth.

This nation was taken in a Coup'd etat. The perpitrators as we all know have instilled systems to be make them unaccountable for massive war crimes. (Adolf Hitler and Stalin would be so proud of these bastards).

So as the spineless population and those in the military stand by in denial and non action, millions have died been maimed or have been directly victimized as collateral damage with out any consequences to the those truely responsible.

Mean while the smoke screen of an election to purge the system of these pirates is distracting the populations of America (not the world) from making these bastards accountable for their actions.

It is the duty of All Americans to do more than just cast their meaningless vote but to bring down these bastards Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rummy, Rice, Rove 'turd blossum, Abramhoff, the list is so long ..... And at this point I believe by what ever mean possible. For they are the one ones that have destroyed the America we knew and replace it with this current sytem, that which is not America.

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No Lesson Learned.
Posted by: wgriff3245 on May 17, 2008 9:43 AM   
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Bravo to the Sargeant for taking such a bold stand. I am a 58 year old Vietnam Era Vet who served with the USAF in Thailand from Oct 1973-74. I am currently suffering from several illnesses related to herbicide poisoning aka "Agent Orange". Agent Orange was not only used in Vietnam, but throughout Southeast Asia to speed up the construction of the seven airbases in Thailand. This has been the biggest lie that the US government has kept from the American public and those brave men who served on them. When my son turned 18, told him in the strictest of terms "Not" to ever serve in the military of this country, because they can not be trusted. I also told him that the lucky ones from the Vietnam War are on the "Wall", and that we all died in Southeast Asia and no one had the decency to tell us. Finally, this young man found out that he is trully fighting for nothing and the ones who sacrifice the most get the least and those who sacrifice nothing, benefit the most from his efforts. My son knows this and he will never serve in this military, if I have anything to say about it, because we finally realized that there are some in this country who do not deserve to be defended.

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» RE: Udon? Posted by: Dboy
Brave Young Man
Posted by: ronheri on May 17, 2008 10:24 AM   
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This illegal war was based on lies, just as Vietnam. Like Muhammed Ali, who after being drafted into the Army, said no. We are all free human beings, not owned by our governments. and must follow a God given conscious. If the German soldiers would have said no to the Nazi regime, millions of human beings would have been saved. It's long past time for the military-industrial complex to stop forming our foreign policy. This young man is a hero.

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How many more...
Posted by: VickyinSD on May 17, 2008 10:34 AM   
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wasted lives and destroyed minds will it take to convince our elected "representatives" that we need to do something more than just wait till the elections in order to change the direction this country has gone?

Congress needs to begin IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS for ALL of these bastards and they need to throw their criminal asses in prison, instead of giving them a farewell kiss goodbye and a lifetime govt. pension!!!

If you're as mad as I am, moved to tears (again) like I am, then forward this article to everyone you know, as well as your elected "representatives" in D.C., because the next battle zone looms high on the horizon, and they call it Iran!

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» RE: How many more... Posted by: zorba1
» RE: How many more... Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
Is anyone here following the Lt. Ehren Watada matter?
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 17, 2008 11:34 AM   
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Strange, isn't it - that the media (and apparently both the author of this piece and the readers here) have little to say about the U.S. Army lieutenant who also refused deployment? Obviusly, this is a question that should reach the Supreme Court (don't hold your breath) - the U.S. public, even. Don't count on that, either: this is the Operation MOCKINGBIRD media, not a free press.

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Hero.
Posted by: BlueGorilla on May 17, 2008 6:11 PM   
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Good for you mate.I messed up at school,but it didn't mean I wasn't intelligent..(im not by the way,but this guy is).You have shown moral courage,and real intelligence,and sensitivity in reaching this decision.It is no cop out,as you know life is going to be tough,for the near future.
Unfortunately many recruits to the forces ,do not question their decision, before joining up.That is a shame,as so many wars are fought for bogus reasons.
Our society,whips the populace (or most of it),into a pseudo-patriotism at these key moments.Fox ,Congress etc were,hardcore cheerleaders for war after the atrocities of 9/11,with a call to emotion,that eventually allowed for, the ruling classes war on Iraq.
Without a strong, collective counter-hegemony, I am unsurprised that so many kids ,take these right wing values as natural.
You don't see the "hawks",sending their kids to war.The service record of these liars,is hippocritical too,as Bush and other's, avoided the service, that the less priviliged couldn't.
If you are poor,working class,black etc,you are cannon fodder for the rich man's war.Your education and society will make sure,that, enough of you expendable people "do your duty".

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answering, the call to duty
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 18, 2008 11:53 AM   
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When I enlisted in the army, back in '76, I took an oath, to uphold and protect the constitution, from foreign and domestic enemies!!! Though I only lasted one month, in the military, that oath will stay with me for life!!! According, to the oath, it is our duty, and obligation, to seek out and expose, any and all constitutional violations, and or acts of treason!!! America, and the world knows, that this war is bogus, illegal, and unconstitutional!!! The Sargent, in accordance, with the "dictates of his conscience" made the call, out of duty, and obligation!!! All it should take, is just the one, objection, on the grounds of treason, to terminate the war!!! Everyone in the armed forces, and all elected officials, took this same oath, so why did they not object??? Probably, because they themselves, are part of this treason!!! The penalty for treason, is death!!! where is the executioners, when you need them??? probably executing hippies???

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His life is over
Posted by: blogbooks on May 18, 2008 3:22 PM   
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The system will destroy him.

He'll do jail time, get a bad discharge, and spend the rest of his life in the same poverty he grew up in.

It's all fine and well for you white yuppies to sit in your office and applaud this guy, but his life is ruined.

He may even end up another vet suicide.

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» RE: His life is over Posted by: nomoreblinders
» RE: His life is over Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
» RE: His life is over Posted by: Dboy
The Military delima
Posted by: buddha's bud on May 18, 2008 4:53 PM   
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Having also served time in the military, I too found that there is no truth. Instructions were to fill out paper work and submit for approval. Not once did any of the plans, we enlistees were given, come to fruition. The only thing I got out of being in The Air Force was lies and deception. Recuiters know how to make their quota and to hell with the enlistee. My College voucher was never activated, meaning my G-I Bill was false and non-existant, the VA Housing was also false and misleading. "All Lies"

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BRAVO to this brave soldier!!
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on May 18, 2008 8:46 PM   
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don't let the nay-sayers diminish your resolve !!

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I respect your morality, but...
Posted by: YogiBear on May 18, 2008 10:48 PM   
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...the concepts of "war" and "legality" really don't ever mix.

Perhaps the military should be required to shorten the time between re-enlistments. As soldiers mature, they can rethink their decisions. But until that time, the law requires you to go when the government says go. If you don't like it, fine, but you should pay the penalty for refusing.

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Kathy
Posted by: nomoreblinders on May 18, 2008 11:42 PM   
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Well, that's one dummy who woke up too late! He did not open his trap when he was in Japan, Germany and climbing the ranks! But when his butt was threatened, he claimed the war was unconstitutional! Helloooo!! Told you so! It's comical to watch these paid killers squirm...like an evil entity is going to suddenly get moral for them! You're a government issue, boy!! That's it, that's all you are in their eyes--someone's gotta do their dirty work, looks like it's YOU!!!!

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» RE: Kathy Posted by: Walks-in-Storms
» RE: Kathy Posted by: nomoreblinders
» RE: Kathy Posted by: Mercury46
Afghanistan
Posted by: DesertStone on May 19, 2008 1:14 PM   
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The war in Afghanistan is illegal too. Why didn’t he protest that? Should the world jump for joy and deem this war criminal murderer a “hero” because he has only now become weary of fighting? What of the Afghans he no doubt killed so that American imperialists may impose themselves, rape the land all under the guise of searching for the phantom Osama Bin Laden? Incidentally there is no reasonable explanation as to why the “greatest nation on earth” cannot find a sick old man in such a specific area yet has managed to kill thousands of ordinary Afghans.
What is the purpose of regarding these tools of imperialist terrorists as heroes while millions of resisters of tyranny are smeared as terrorists? Such delusional rhetoric can only prolong the madness.

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» RE: Afghanistan Posted by: Dboy
Debt of gratitude
Posted by: chuff8 on May 19, 2008 6:27 PM   
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Want to know what courage and conviction mean? This young man shows you. These soldiers will eventually end a war our politicians do not have the courage to end.

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» RE: Debt of gratitude Posted by: Dboy
The military cannot allow this type of behaviour
Posted by: Jordonquits on May 21, 2008 12:45 AM   
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Now before everyone gets all up in arms, let me explain myself. I do not support the war in Iraq, nor in Afghanistan. I believe both to be useless, bloody, and illegal.

But professional soldiers cannot be allowed to pick and choose what they do. For a military to function at all, this must be the case. I would fully support him if he was a conscript. But a volunteer who goes AWOL cannot be tolerated, regardless of the situation.

He should quit as soon as he possible can, and publicly denounce the war once he is out, but while still a soldier, he cannot be allowed to get off scott free. Sure in this particular case that would be nice, but a standard like this cannot be set. When a real catastrophe happens, and military use is actually required, it cannot be the case that soldiers can simply go AWOL if they don't feel like fighting. I am not saying this man is a coward at all, but those with less courage than him would take advantage of a military which tolerated desertion, claiming they had suddenly become ethically opposed to the war.

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» Amen Posted by: robbie.seal
Looking for info
Posted by: robbie.seal on May 22, 2008 1:49 PM   
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I have read several posts on this article. I have seen the assertion all over that this war is illegal. Can anyone tell me what law was broken? I understand the assertion that it is considered immoral because of the alleged intel book cooking, but what makes it "Illegal" and under what law can you impeach the President and VP. What is the war crime they are being charged with?

I keep seeing the assertion. I don't see the meat.

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It is the nature of democracy that the governed consent to be governed.
Posted by: Squarehead on May 29, 2008 7:23 AM   
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Every person fundamentally decides whether or not to obey orders and / or laws.
It is the nature of democracy that the governed consent to be governed. Those who say 'you can't allow a volunteer soldier to make his own mind up on the legality of orders, that he/ she must obey' are betraying an authoritarian mindset which plays into the hands of government, in a way that is damaging to democracy.

Of course in a war of survival, let us say WW2, the morality of compulsion is different. But the general rule, in all military codes, is that illegality is not condoned and if a soldier identifies illegality, he is supposed to oppose it. Being cowed or scared is not a 'get out' clause. The defense 'I was only obeying orders' is somewhat discredited, after Nuremburg

So, to those who say 'he's a professional, if he was a conscript it would be different'; not so. He remains a citizen, with responsibility to society.

If it was a situation of national survival (e.g. WW2) compulsion might well be moral and appropriate. This is not that situation.

Therefore he is completely correct in his behavior, both in law and in morality.

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8 year commitment
Posted by: 2/187 on Jun 16, 2008 2:17 AM   
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When you first sign up, they explain to you in plain english that you will be committed to the US ARMY for 8 full years. You then decide how many years of that you want on active duty. The rest of the time after you have completed your active duty, you are in IRR till your 8 years are up. They then ask you if you fully understand this. You are then given a copy of your contract to read over. Then you sign it. Pretty simple.

He KNEW what he got himself into. The 8 year commitment isn't shady or thrown in there without you knowing. They also tell you to your face,if at any time you are within your 8 year obligation, you may be called back to active duty.

Matthis' father Rob, a rocket scientist who lives in the army town of Huntsville, Alabama, said mobilizing IRR members was a form of back-door draft.

There is nothing back door about all this. His son signed the contract, fully understanding what was in it and what his obligations were going to be for the next 8 years.

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