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Vandana Shiva: Why We Face Both Food and Water Crises

By Maria Armoudian and Ankine Aghassian, AlterNet. Posted May 15, 2008.


The world-renowned activist reminds people that corporation-friendly economic schemes got us into this mess in the first place.

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Policy-makers are finally grappling with the growing global food and water crises that are upon us. While they grope for answers, Vandana Shiva reminds them that it was their wild economic schemes that created these crises in the first place.

The globalized economic structure is simply incompatible with the basic physics of the planet and the principles of democratic governance, she says. And until we align the economic system with those of the ecological system, the problems will only get worse. While many of Shiva's books address some aspect of this fundamental problem, one title captures it most succinctly, Earth Democracy, Justice, Sustainability and Peace.

Shiva is a physicist, author, director of the Research Foundation on Science, Technology and Ecology and the founder of Navdanya.

AlterNet: Much of your writing and speaking has focused on our economic structure's incompatibility with the ecological functioning of the earth. Talk about that incompatibility.

Vandana Shiva: One aspect of the inconsistency is between the principles of Gaia, the principles of soil, the ecology, renewability, how the atmosphere cleans itself and the laws of the global marketplace. The global marketplace is driven by the World Bank and the World Trade Organization (WTO) and the illogic of so-called "free trade," which is totally not free. [The result of this incompatibility] is the current food crisis: The more agriculture is "liberalized," the greater the food scarcity, the higher the food prices and the more people will go hungry.

Never has there been this rate of escalation in food prices worldwide as we witness now with the global integration of the food economies under the coercive and bullying force of the WTO.

AlterNet: You have said, in the past, that these activities are done in the name of improving human welfare. But instead, poverty and dispossession have increased. Where do we see this the most?

VS: We see the worst dispossession in the countries of the South -- tragically -- those countries that could feed themselves. India, for example, was food self-sufficient. We were able to feed our people with a universal distribution system, affordable food for all, and agriculture policies that put food first. Small farmers could make a living.

But a decade and a half of globalization's perverse rules have led to 200,000 farmers committing suicide because they can't make a living anymore -- all their money goes to make profit for Monsanto or Cargill. Meanwhile, with the economy's so-called growth, people are starving. Per capita entitlement to food has dropped in a decade and half from 177 kg to 152 kg per year.

This contradicts the false propaganda being spread about the reason prices are rising. They say it is because Indians are getting richer and Indians are eating more. Well, some Indians are getting richer, but they're not eating more. There's a limit to how much you can eat. And the handful of billionaires buys a few more private jet planes and builds a few more private mansions. [But in reality], the average Indian is eating less. The average child has a bigger chance today of dying of hunger. The Cargill's of the world have a stranglehold of the world's economy; they're harvesting super-profits while people die of hunger.

AlterNet: You talk about India being worse off, but many economists -- including those on the political left -- say that places like China and India are, overall, actually improving. But you say that is not true.

VS: It's not true. India, under the perverse growth of globalization, has beaten out Africa in the number of hungry people. While we have 9.2 percent growth measured by GNP and GDP, 50 percent of our children have very severe malnutrition. Fifty percent of deaths for children under five are due to lack of food. That's about a million kids per year.

AlterNet: That is a considerable change that I don't think the world is seeing.

VS: That's because the media orchestrates every analysis and interpretation. They would like this crisis to look like a success of globalization, and they would like to offer more globalization as a solution. In fact, the World Bank has said there should be more liberalized trade. Before the WTO was formed, we had protests with 500,000 farmers on the streets of Bangalore in 1993 to say that this is a recipe for starvation, for destroying agriculture, self-reliance and food security. And the General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs -- before the WTO was born -- had a press conference to say that globalization will make food affordable for all.

They forget that food ultimately is not produced in the speculation and commodity exchanges controlled by Cargill in Chicago. It is produced by hard working women and men working with the soil and sun. And if you destroy the capacity of the people to work the land and the capacity of soil to produce, you're going to have hunger. The tragedy is that the hunger of today and the rise of food [prices] is the result of globalization policies, and it is being implemented on a global scale. Unless we bring local food sovereignty and "food democracy" back into the picture, we will not have a solution to this.


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Maria Armoudian is a singer/songwriter, a commissioner on the environment for the City of Los Angeles and host and producer of the Insighters for KPFK. Ankine Aghassian is co-producer of the Insighters on KPFK and a human rights activist.

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BioFuels make it all worse
Posted by: GreyFlcn on May 15, 2008 11:20 AM   
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Less food resources
(Water, Fertilizer, Topsoil)

Less clean water resources
(Not only does it use it, but it also pollutes it)

And almost all biofuel currently in production actually increase carbon emissions.
(Especially when you factor in land-use, and N2O formation)

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Excellent article,,,but,,,
Posted by: John Rice on May 15, 2008 2:18 PM   
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,,,and this is not to take away any of its excellent points, there was, unfortunately, not one word about what is arguably the biggest problem--over-population of the world, especially by the developed nations whose people consume proportionately much more resources while polluting at a far greater rate than those people of the 'third world' nations.

When one takes into consideration the loss of fertility of the soils, and the agriculture which takes place based upon petroleum and minerals used as fertilizers, there is a very strong argument that we have on a world-wide basis, been able to overshoot our planet's carrying capacity by many billions of people.

The food and water crisis, coupled with the increasing scarcity of petroleum and other resources suggest we are about to hit the wall, and when it happens, it won't be pretty.

For more information, go to: http://www.skil.org and read Jack Alpert's many fine articles describing the BIG problem, and the solutions he suggests.

Until the BIG problem is addressed, nothing else will prove to be even close to solving the problems this article attempts to address.

Regards,,,John

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free Vandana Shiva lectures in MP3 format
Posted by: fanny666 on May 16, 2008 8:50 AM   
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Vandana Shiva

also check out Arundhati Roy who is another amazing woman from India who often works on similar issues

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Big Problem
Posted by: uncleeddie on May 16, 2008 5:19 PM   
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Global Warming is apparently a big problem but what can humans do since they are NOT causing it. CO2 does Not cause temperatures to rise but because of the political Ippc which the New World Order controls this myth has been propagated through con men like Al Gore. Just check the ice core data. Unless we live in bizzaro world then the causative element should precede the affected element. However temperatures always rise BEFORE the CO2 levels by an average of 700 years. That is why Gore never superimposes the CO2 and temperature graphs from the ice core samples. Wake up people. This just can't be true if CO2 and hence humans are causing global warming. If we are it simply isn't because of CO2.

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» RE: Big Problem Posted by: Libsrule
» RE: Big Problem Posted by: sheena2u
» RE: Big Problem Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: Big Problem Posted by: PeterW
» RE: Big Problem Posted by: MyLeftFoot
The BIGGEST problem is over population
Posted by: Libsrule on May 20, 2008 12:55 PM   
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I've always wondered why these big minds out there telling us everything that is wrong NEVER bring up the fact that all of this could be alleviated by simply STOP HAVING SO MANY KIDS.

Especially in India and most of the impoverished world who keep popping out babies for whatever reasons.

The Catholic church should be held accountable for part of that problem as well or hell most of it since they have managed to frighten the uneducated and easily scared into believing they will go to hell if they use condoms or any form of contraception and government NEED to tell the Catholic church and other religious organizations that there is no reason to continue this population growth while the people in the Vatican get fat on the donations of the poor.

So unless people like Shiva and others are willing to have the courage to stand up and start telling people that they are screwing themselves out of a place at the dinner table, then I can't take a danged thing they say with anything but a grain of salt.

Don't know why everyone in charge is terrified to bring this up.

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» adopt, agree. Posted by: ptown
We need negative growth of population. First with the rich.
Posted by: nightgaunt on May 25, 2008 1:48 PM   
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They consume the most and pollute the most. Not all of us are automatic racists. And yes,three children in the USA now? How could both of you do it? Instead of one child per person it should be one child per 50 persons. Pay a child tax. We need less not more.The fewer we are the better we all can live. The fascists want more for it makes the need for plentiful and cheap laybor a continuing reality. We have 6.66 billion and growing,slowly but still increasing. They can't be accomadated with the late 20th century level much less the wasteful USA 21st level of life. Not possible. I am expecting a decline in population,mostly from human action and natural response to human action. Don't expect 9 to 10 billion by 2050. I expect it to be less than today. The rich hold the lion's share to blame but because of their resources will be the last to feel it. Unfair but then life is that way unless we change it.

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Can we stop talking about population?
Posted by: blogbooks on May 28, 2008 2:16 AM   
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Let's focus on the interview and the points made rather than another topic entirely.

Never mind that 20 years of environmental propaganda from the main stream media and government has convinced you that a mass human die off is desirable (let's face it, those of you frantic about population size are monstrous and would like nothing more than to see a few billion humans murdered in the name of "protecting the environment").

Let's put aside our brainwashed obsession with population size and pretend we're rational, functional human beings for a minute or two.

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Become Human Beings instead of Cattle.
Posted by: Ottomatic on May 28, 2008 5:39 AM   
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Humanity
Human Values
Choose wisely
Man or Machine?

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Mother Earth
Posted by: grn1 on May 28, 2008 6:50 AM   
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Vandana Shiva is a brilliant, uplifting hero of our time. She understands what it means to nurture, to give, and tirelessly fights for human rights. When you sit comfortable with your face glowing grey from your monitor, and balk about population as your ass spreads, think about what you have done to make impending corporate devastation possible.

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» RE: Mother Earth Posted by: westomoon
Why are folks so against talking about population?
Posted by: ptown on May 28, 2008 6:52 AM   
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Why are folks so against talking about population?

Population is the major component here. Who wants to live on a planet with 12 billion hungry and thirsty people?

I'm a non-breeder because I didn't want my children, grandchildren, and great-grand-children to suffer on a dying planet.

For those of you who think ZPG is a joke or a lie, are you ready to double or triple the population of your town?

Think about it.

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POPULATION POPULATION POPULATION POPULATION
Posted by: leafsong1 on May 28, 2008 9:29 AM   
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I mean to cast no aspersions on Shiva's work. Every action she advocates is worthwhile and constructive, and should be pursued. But, in the absence of control of world population growth, it is absolutely certain that every action she advocates will fail utterly. Furthermore, by excluding population growth from this discussion, both she and her interviewer are possibly making the problem worse. Certainly the absence any mention of the role of population growth in the interview has encouraged those on these boards who would like to ignore this, the main root cause of water and food shortages. Additionally, the lack of any mention discredits Shiva in the minds of those who recognize population's central role. Like her namesake, Shiva is dancing a graceful dance while the world is destroyed.

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WTO Protests were right!!!
Posted by: Ghoulman on May 28, 2008 10:07 AM   
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... so when youth and activists protested the WTO meetings in Seattle and Quebec it was apparent the corporatist media and authorities were determined to attack, jail, and remove the voice of the poor from "their" proceedings. You know, the ones they still hold in total secrecy.

The media referred to the protesters as anarchists, ignorant youth who didn't know what they were doing, just a bunch of hippies, throwbacks. All the while large undercover police operations disrupted the protests and organizers were arrested from the streets like it was communist controlled Hungary.

Globalization is evil. Shiva points out the effects very well, better insight to the international effects than anyone else in the media. She also points out that Free Trade, Globalization, and every "Reaganomic" corporate economic ideology from "free markets", "trickle down", to "the invisible hand" or "investor economy" are just bubble dreams.

People need a real economy, one that respects local markets instead of supplanting them with corporate garbage. Not one designed to keep corporations in "hyper-growth".

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» How did they know? Posted by: westomoon
» RE: How did they know? Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian
FREE SAFE CONTRACEPTION for every person on the planet
Posted by: bouyant on May 28, 2008 12:32 PM   
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who wants it. If every person could easily and safely control their own reproduction the population would stabilize. Guttmacher.org says a quarter of pregnancies planetwide end in abortion-- how many do you think are unwanted but don't end in abortion because it isn't available?
It is the patriarchy again, wanting to control female sexuality and seeing Mother Nature as yet another female to be dominated and controlled.

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But I agree with everything Shiva said.
Posted by: bouyant on May 28, 2008 12:34 PM   
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Population is just a part of the solution. The planet could in fact support more people with the approaches she outlines.

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» RE: But Shiva said... Posted by: westomoon
What a wonderful article
Posted by: westomoon on May 28, 2008 2:00 PM   
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Shiva is spectacularly good at making a really inclusive systems approach seem perfectly simple and understandable.

So many of her statements in this interview made lightbulbs go off over my head -- the impact of the differences between animal husbandry in indigenous cultures vs factory meat production, for example. And I've been rather a zealot on these topics -- vegetarianism, organic farming, biodiversity -- for a long, long time. It feels like she's given me a new way of understanding my gut feelings.

Thanks for publishing this. I would probably never have attempted any of Shiva's books before this, but now I'm in rather a hurry to get started. If she can make global ecological systems this comprehensible in a brief interview, I'm several years overdue in learning from her!

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» RE: What a wonderful article Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian
If India does not follow Ghandi, what chance do we have?
Posted by: Sojourner on May 28, 2008 2:43 PM   
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A spate of articles is appearing with titles like, "Live like my great-grandparents did." Some of us can still remember times prior to generating mountains of waste.

Yes, India's vegetarianism allows its huge population to exist. I see little desire to return to a traditional society of peasantry, either there or anywhere on the globe.

The evidence that global corporations want only to wring profit out of people is clear. The effort to fight that is fully justified. But simple living remains an ideal that neither Ghandi nor Thoreau could make saleable, because it is not marketable.

Until folks become aware of what we become when we turn ourselves into consumers--and in our atmosphere of global marketing we are taught nothing other than consuming--the outlook is grim. Where do we find the strength to resist? Only in community. Yet it is the simple communities that are the first to lose out to competition. That's India's operative message.

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» peasants are surplus population Posted by: leafsong1
Corporate control of EVERYTHING is here now
Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian on May 28, 2008 3:02 PM   
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This was excellent commentary by Vandana Shiva. Her insight and understanding of the rise of corporatism as the dominate factor in global business is key to what is occurring in the marketplace, specially in the realm of food and water resources all around the world. This is not a problem that's distant and somewhere else; it's happening right here, in the United States, and our citizens are oblivious to it.

She speaks knowledgeably of how "global market economy makes the first citizen the corporation", and how "the rest of us are slaves, second class citizens." She vividly describes how "it creates an identity for the human species as consumers in a global supermarket", and that "we are no longer creators and producers", but "just consumers of goods that corporations bring to us from the place where they can manufacture them -- at the highest cost to the environment and workers."

Aside Shiva's book titled Earth Democracy: Justice, Sustainability, and Peace, also read Unequal Protection -- The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights, by Thom Hartmann. After reading this you'll understand the crisis that we're undergoing right now, and how this corporate takeover, which has been over one-hundred years in the making, has totally transformed our republic from a nation based upon individual, or human rights, to one where corporations exert and control the preponderance of rights. This "corporate-personhood" is leading us down a road of political, economic, and ecological disaster -- not only in the United States, but around the world.

It's happening, folks. All the telltale signs are there. What are you prepared to do about it?

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Having and raising responsible children is an investment in the future
Posted by: dauphin534 on May 31, 2008 4:39 PM   
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I really don't see the argument that having children is the problem.

My grandmother only had one child, my mother, who is now dead. Now my grandmother has only my sister and I, who don't really have the resources to take care of her. As a result she wastes away her days in a nursing home paid for by medicaid.

On the other hand, my other grandmother had 5 kids. Now she's still able to live in her home as home health care is paid for by pooled resources of the family.

We all need to feel that our future generation will take care of us as we drift off into old age. Stripping that away from us and telling us that we cannot invest in our own futures by having kids is a real detriment to our quality of life. Having children is not the problem. Having wasteful, consumerist children is the problem. If we teach our children to lead sustainable lives & invest in them, we will get plenty in return

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Vandana Shiva on overpopulation
Posted by: kat13 on Jun 10, 2008 7:44 PM   
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Vandana Shiva has addressed the issue of overpopulation in an interview with Scott London (For full article see http://www.scottlondon.com/interviews/shiva.html):

London: The most urgent ecological issue facing the planet today, by many accounts, is overpopulation. The issue is often framed, particularly here in the West, as a "third world problem" since the birthrate is highest in poor countries. What is your perspective?

Shiva: The people who see the population explosion in the Malthusian way — as a geometric progression — forget that population growth is not a biological issue. People are not increasing in numbers out of stupidity and ignorance. Population growth is an ecological phenomenon linked very intimately to other issues, such as the usurpation of the resources which allow people to live.
In England, the population explosion can be linked very clearly with the enclosure of the commons that uprooted the peasants from their land. In India, it was the same thing: the population increased at the end of the 18th century when the British took over and Indian lands were colonized. Instead of the land feeding Indian people it started to feed the British empire. So we had destitution. Destitute people who don't have their own land to feed themselves can only feed themselves by having larger numbers, therefore they multiply. It's the rational response of a dispossessed people.
The population explosion is an ecological phenomenon of displacement. Unless we solve that ecological problem of displacing people - to build huge dams, to build motorways, to take away what people need in order to survive — we will keep pumping more and more money into population programs. We will have more and more coercive and violent methods through which women's bodies are treated as experimental grounds for new contraceptives. Yet we will not have a solution to the problem of numbers.

London: How do we address the problem?

Shiva: The problem of numbers can only be dealt with by recognizing that people have a fundamental right to economic security. If you provide them with economic and environmental security, the population will stabilize itself. The example of Kerala shows this very clearly. Kerala is a state in south India in which the trends are the absolute opposite from the rest of the third world and from the rest of India. There are two or three reasons. There is tremendous equality between genders in Kerala. Also, there has been a very strong land reform program in the state so that even the poorest of people own the plot of land on which their hut is built. For example, landless laborers might not own the land on which they do their agricultural work, but they own the land on which they have their hut. That resource-guarantee has tremendous implications for the security of the people.
When I was in the capital of Kerala state, I remember some rich people telling me, "You can't get the maids to come every day out here. They have a house and don't need to work every day because if they stay home they won't starve."
That is where the population control issue needs to be addressed. Population control is not an issue involving contraceptives for third world women. It is an issue of ecological justice.

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