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Get Ready to Spend $6,000 a Year on Gas
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Now the future has arrived, with the United States and other nations getting a double whammy from both the mortgage crisis and oil futures hovering at $120 per barrel. If oil prices stay stratospheric, the cost of fueling cars and planes could slash US economic growth up to 2.3 percent and global growth by 3.6 percent, says Robert Wescott, former chief economist of the president's council of economic advisers and author of the $120 oil report.
While many energy-security experts worry about a terrorist attack that suddenly crimps global oil supplies and hammers the US economy, Dr. Wescott and other experts say a terror attack is hardly the only, or even the worst, oil threat the nation now faces. "What we are seeing today is more of a slow-motion, rolling oil crisis rather than a sharp shock, yet ultimately we end up with the same sorts of impacts [as a terror attack]," says Wescott, now president of Keybridge Research, a Washington economic-consulting firm.
Unlike the 1970s, when an oil embargo left Americans waiting in long lines at gasoline stations and paying higher prices, today's oil crisis has been stealthy. Its economic impact has been masked by consumers tapping credit cards and home equity to cover the rising cost of energy and some consumer goods.
"We're having a replay of the 1970s without the Arab oil embargo part, so it's been hard for many people to see," says Amy Myers Jaffe, an energy scholar at the Baker Institute at Rice University in Houston.
Even with US airlines cutting flights and SUV sales now tanking, the effects of expensive oil on the American family could be stark, Wescott's report says.
In 2003, with oil approaching $40 per barrel, the average US family spent about $1,900 (4.8 percent of its income) on natural gas, heating oil, and gasoline. But today at the $120 per barrel level, a family will spend about $6,000 a year or about 15 percent of total annual income, Wescott's report predicts.
Compared with the oil crises of the 1970s, the US paradoxically is in a bit better, yet also worse, position. The good news is the US economy is less energy intensive -- using only about half the energy it did in the 1980s to produce a dollar of economic growth. That should make it more resilient.
But the bad news is that imported oil has risen to about 12 million barrels a day, about 60 percent of the 21 million barrels the US consumes daily. That financial drain at $120 per barrel is jamming the brakes on the US economy and inflating the trade deficit, economists agree. "The question now isn't whether we're going into recession, it's whether there will be a soft landing ... or we have a hard landing," Ms. Jaffe says.
Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at Global Insight, Lexington, Mass., has done economic projections with oil at even higher prices. While oil at $120 a barrel "makes a mild recession a little deeper," the results of oil at $150 would be much worse with the nation "looking at a fairly serious recession."
But where there is awareness of the problem there is hope. Perhaps nobody knows better what the nation could do -- but mostly has not yet done -- than Amory Lovins. An American energy guru since the gas lines of the 1970s, he has focused like a laser beam on how the nation can save energy. "What we need to do to cut oil consumption is quite clear," says the cofounder of the Rocky Mountain Institute, an energy think tank in Snowmass, Colo. "But attention keeps getting focused on the wrong things -- like subsidies for the oil industry to find more oil. That's the wrong way to go."
Congress's move last year to raise vehicle fuel-economy standards to 35 miles per gallon by 2020 was a good first step -- but not enough, he says.
In today's slowly unfolding yet serious oil crisis, Mr. Lovins would slash 9 percent of the nation's oil demand in one year with more than 30 fuel-saving measures. Among them:
- Reduce speed limits to 60 miles per hour for light vehicles, 55 m.p.h. for heavy trucks. Expand HOV-lane use to include alternative fuel vehicles (AFVs), hybrids, and all-electric vehicles.
- Encourage mass-transit use by letting all citizens deduct the cost from their taxes. Require "parking cash-out" so employees can take cash instead of free parking at work.
- Extend federal tax credits for AFV, hybrid, and electric vehicles to many more than the current 60,000 vehicles per manufacturer limit.
- Require one-engine-only idling for jet aircraft waiting to take off. Offer US loan guarantees to airlines upgrading to efficient aircraft and tax credits for replacing heavy interior parts with lightweight materials.
One measure Lovins and Ann Korin, chairman of Set America Free, an energy-security coalition, agree on is for the government to mandate that all vehicles be "flex fuel" burning so Americans can choose alternatives to gasoline. The move, she says, would reduce the nation's exposure to a terrorist attack.
"There's not much we can do today if an attack occurs other than band-aid responses like tapping into the strategic petroleum reserve," Ms. Korin says. "If every garage had a plug-in [hybrid gas-electric] or flex-fuel vehicle, you could still get around. Oil goes up, but we're not held hostage."
The US already has "solutions that can take away the strategic power of oil," adds Robert "Bud" McFarlane, national security adviser to President Reagan in the mid-1980s, referring to ethanol, methanol, biodiesel, and electricity for vehicle propulsion.
Dennis McGinn agrees. A retired vice admiral of the Navy and a national-security expert, he is acutely aware of the fragile oil-supply line and many energy choke points around the globe. Still, he, too, sees a silver lining in this crisis if Americans can wake up and respond to it.
"Our nation has met a whole lot of crises in our history," he says. "This energy and climate-change challenge is perfect for the American public, industry, and government to really do something about. We just need to be honest with ourselves that business as usual can't continue."
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Posted by: Rune on May 14, 2008 1:32 AM
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Isn't it interesting that we are not hearing about any ideas of that sort, not even from Hillary, who supposedly was gathering so much insight and experience while at her husband's side when he was president? Don't you wonder why that is and who these presidential candidates are really intending to serve when one of them gets their chance to shape and execute national policies that need so much change? I get the sense the most obvious and necessary changes are not in the offing at all under these corporate approved candidates. How about you?
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Posted by: echoclerk on May 14, 2008 1:51 AM
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The front page has nothing whatsoever on China but 4-5 articles about 'gas' prices.
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» This isn't Europe, asshole
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» RE: This isn't Europe, asshole
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» Buying an SUV that gets 17 mpg was one of your first mistakes. We need mass transit!!
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» RE: This isn't Europe, asshole
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» Get a map of Europe
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on May 14, 2008 3:23 AM
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Posted by: richholland on May 14, 2008 3:34 AM
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In western europe there is strong opposition towards oilcompanies, many people regard them as global terrorists.
Now there is an election , however after reading several newspapers there is no real difference between Hillary and McCain.
All the millions for the few rich should be used for the benefit of the USA.
But dream on and look how other countries do their things.
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Posted by: leerhok on May 14, 2008 4:46 AM
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» RE: You can save a hell of a lot by downsizing your car(s)
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» btw...
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» Yeah but ...
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» Penis envy?
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» RE: You can save a hell of a lot by downsizing your car(s)
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» RE: You can save a hell of a lot by downsizing your car(s)
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» You DON'T want to be the smallest car on the road.
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» RE: Gas expensive?
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Posted by: Farasien on May 14, 2008 5:36 AM
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America is doomed. Learn and get self-sufficient NOW, or as much as you reasonably can. You'll be needing it in the next few months.
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» RE: $150 oil? Ha! Just wait...
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 14, 2008 5:56 AM
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It was posted on the Oil Drum a couple days ago. It doesnt quite apply to our situation now, because the current oil crisis wasnt caused by a sharp shock.
And by the way, none of those solutions listed will reduce demand anywhere near 9%. All hell would 'brake' loose if the speed limit was lowered. The increased congestion and loss of productivity would cancel any gains made in fuel economy. There is a reason 55mph limits had no effect on consumption the last time we tried it. Look at the 30 year chart of gasoline consumption. Only major recessions brought it down. 55mph didnt do jack didly.
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Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters on May 14, 2008 5:58 AM
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Damm is makes me angry, well its off to ride the bus, yay!
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» That 2006 Democrat Congress gets a free pass
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» Brilliant!
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» RE: Mention Exxon and their profits the last few years and you'll make a better case.
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» Yup. This is exactly what I wanted: high gas prices.
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Posted by: sillyConValley on May 14, 2008 6:12 AM
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But we also need to look at the market psychology of Climate Change hysteria. The subtext to Climate Change is that since carbon is the culprit we need to limit all carbon oxidation, especially by limiting gasoline combustion. And of course that would indicate rising fuel prices to discourage joy riding and gas guzzling recreational vehicles. So it would not be unreasonable to expect that many on the Left and many within Green political circles would welcome rising gas prices -- at least to some extent.
But not long ago Michael Crichton came out and began questioning the whole Climate Change and Global Warming mentality and agenda and how it ultimately affects political agendas. And, that, we all know, must finally impact military, foreign and domestic policies with unavoidable impact on oil and gas prices. Check out "Michael Crichton on Global Warming" at sillyConValley.net for a very interesting take on this whole issue.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on May 14, 2008 6:43 AM
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With TransitChek it's all free. (Rare bipartisan success of Bill Clinton & a few of Gingrich's urban Republicans of that era.)
And there's the Schaudenfreude of reading all the whiny complaints about gas nowadays.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 14, 2008 6:44 AM
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» so true
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Posted by: toddcory on May 14, 2008 7:12 AM
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What to do? Reduce your consumption and become as sustainable as possible to mitigate the impacts from these issues. Our home is 109% of net-zero energy (including winter heating) with only 4.5 kW of solar PV and a SDHW system. We have a large garden and orchard. In a pinch I feel we could grow around 40% of our food. We drive a 50 MPG Prius.
I have seen this coming for about 25 years (remember Jimmy Carters warnings?) and have been working hard to prepare while everyone else played. Yes we are still impacted from the rising prices, but we are much more insulated than many. I encourage people to do what they can to accommodate this "great unwinding". The hardships we are seeing now will look like "the good old days" very shortly.
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Posted by: edgeofnowhere on May 14, 2008 7:31 AM
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on May 14, 2008 7:49 AM
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We need to make most of the airline industry obsolete, to design systems to get our fertilizer from composting, to mandate electric vehicles, to generate electricity from wind, water and other sustainable sources.
A sane government policy could not only solve these problems permanently, but position us to resume our leadership in the world.
We are now witnessing the decline and fall of America - and the beginning of the end of the world (as far as being livable for human beings is concerned). In 100 years or less, if we keep this up, humanity will be an extinct species! Outgassing from the permafrost and the oceans will kill us all. Not alarmism - simple fact - available to any who take the time to look. Soon, natural processes we have set in motion with our rapacious lifestyle will dwarf anything we have done previously.
Some may think that would be a good thing - but we're gonna take 90% of the species on the planet (if not all) with us when we go.
Look at Venus. There is your greenhouse effect in action.
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Posted by: thehousedog on May 14, 2008 7:56 AM
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The price of oil has risen dramatically in the past year. This is not because of a sudden increase in demand or a sudden decrease in supply. Yes, we are past peak oil and on the down side of the curve where the cost of extracting oil will become more expensive, though those costs have not increased so steeply recently. The net profits of the oil companies indicate that they can continue to effectively pass on costs vs. revenue to consumers.
Solution - there is none. There are only less effective alternatives than gasoline and and oil based economy. Watch as the price of food stuffs continues to increase as market forces and commodity brokers start to make profits with the flexibility of price in those markets as well.
It is sad that all of us fail to understand that as "stockholders" we own these companies through our 401K and other investments. Yet we refuse to stop sticking it to ourselves and our fellow citizens of the world all in the name of money.
Concerned about how much the price of gas is - take the bus and put your money where your mouth is with your investments.
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» Why don't you move to Europe?
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» If he can't afford to buy a Prius, I doubt he could move to Europe...
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Posted by: Bobby Decker on May 14, 2008 8:12 AM
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TRIP...AGAIN .....OK....START BY GETTING IN THE LEFT
HAND LANE ON I95.....THEN SET YOUR CRUSE CONTROL AT 75.......NOW COUNT ALL THE CRACKERS
WHO BLOW BY YOU IN SUBURBUNS & EXCURSIONS LIKE
YOUR AN OLD BLACK MAN NAMED NAMED RAHALO PICKING UP ALLUMINUM CANS ON A ON A THREE WHEEL BYCYCLE ....OK.....THEN COUNT ALL THE PEOPLE
YOU PASS DRIVING PREIUS AND VW TURBO DIESEL MODELS....NUFF SAID ! ?
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Posted by: jeffersonian on May 14, 2008 8:31 AM
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Americans make bad choices, moving one hour drive from work, and then they cry about it. Quit crying and make better CHOICES.
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Posted by: willymack on May 14, 2008 9:47 AM
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Posted by: abrunvand on May 14, 2008 9:50 AM
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Meanwhile, it is becomming more and more obvious that local food production is not a snobbish luxury for foodies, but a necessary buffer against high oil prices.
Food security is going to require turning flat urban spaces like lawns and parking lots into small-scale agriculture. Zoning laws will need to be changed to allow urban chickens, front-yard vegetable gardens, fruit trees on parking strips and so on. Zoned parking requirements will need to be reduced in order to open up more space for such gardens.
I immagine that in the expensive oil economy of the future suburban living will lose its appeal and the U.S. will begin to look more like Europe with denser population centers serviced by rail lines. It's too bad we didn't build it that way in the first place, but the building pattern we followed did leave behind so much wasted space that it doesn't seem hopeless to think that it could be retrofit.
That is to say, the article is right that it isn't pleasant living in a cheap-oil infrastructure wihout being able to get cheap oil. On the other hand, an expensive-oil infrastructure could ultimately turn out to be a nicer place to live.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 14, 2008 11:32 AM
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The American Oil companies are 49% of OPEC and it was the American Oil companies who basically created OPEC and taught those of these Oil producing nations how to accomplish this and what it would mean and result in..
So if Oil is said to be selling for $120 per barrel let's say which it is now higher our American oil companies are only paying around $40-42 dollars per barrel so their profit per barrel is about 200%...!
They are allowed to lie about their profit margins to Congress and others and yet still tell their stock holders how terrific things are and well they are doing while crying crocodile tears of barely making over 7-8% profit as the chief economist of Exxon Mobil did last week before Congressman DeFazio last week..
Then when you buy gas approximately 1/3rd of that price is profits, call it $3.75 there is around $1.25 for the company not the gas station owners they make pennies maybe .10-.15 cents tops..!
Also a barrel of Oil is 42 gallons not 55 as many might think so at anything over $120 you are paying $3 dollars per gallon for crude oil fresh out of the ground..not at all refined or anything..that's outrageous..insane..stupid..!
Of course we are a stupid nation lead by really stupid people who have all but destroyed the world's greatest economy and army for that matter..
Now 61% of all the increase in Oil prices or gas prices is pure stupid Speculation and they now say the new ceiling for oil is $138 per barrel..!
Of course it will go much higher when Bush and Cheney attack Iran and even perhaps Syria even thought they do not produce oil..as it will be seen to be yet further destabilizing of the region, and now even more likely with Hezzbullah in control of Beirut and other sections of Lebanon..
It's a shame that American companies and our fellow Americans as well as foreign investors see fit to bring America to it's knees and there is not apparent will among our pathetic compromised corrupted leaders of both parties to do anything about it..
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» RE: Some facts and points in regard to Big Oil and the speculation and gouging of Americans..
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 14, 2008 12:41 PM
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Why do I relay this? What a great opportunity to take two decent cars worth of cash and downsize to one-plus-a-bicycle, and then put the rest in savings for a house for the day when people and banks finally start breaking down and selling their houses for rock-bottom prices.
That's probably not something we'd do were gas still ninety-seven cents a gallon at the busy store on the way to high school back "in the day" (dating myself a little here).
Is it going to hurt? Nah, we'll drop our insurance load down to one car, and halve our current gas bill. My thighs and calves will hurt a little, but only until I lose about thirty extra pounds I've been carrying around with me to pedaling my bicycle.
So, while I get the fact that some families who have chosen to live so far from work/school/grocery that putting a car on the chopping block isn't a realistic option like it is for us, and I get the fact that some folks who work nights can't catch the bus, I must also point out that there are probably lots of folks out there who will--eventually--get sick enough of $4.00-$5.00 gas that they will sell/park their autos...
...and be wealthier, healthier, and indeed wiser for it. Providence helped us make that decision, but that doesn't mean practicality can't get you there, too. :)
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Posted by: mnatra on May 14, 2008 1:39 PM
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and they seem to do Ok.
Lets ask them to invest in a reverse Marshall plan for the US to help get us out of this fix.
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» tiny cars, diesel, scooters, lots of rail, and short commutes.
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Posted by: Ayla87 on May 14, 2008 2:27 PM
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With that said, you can all shut up about gas prices. I drive a 1990 Buick Lesabre twenty miles to and from work every day. A quarter of a tank lasts me three to four days. Lets focus on something a bit more important like say the natural disasters in Myanmar and China. The death of thousands is far more important than $120 / barrel... At least I think so any way.
P.S. If anyone wants to see my actual scratch work, reply to this comment. I wrote a piece on my blog about this a week ago and uploaded photos of the actual math just yesterday.
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» Let's focus on more important things...
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» Let's do more math
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» Thats not the damn point
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Posted by: blogbooks on May 14, 2008 7:23 PM
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"They" (whoever is in charge, I don't think you can fit one of your simple "left" or "right" labels on them) have been pushing environmentalism since at least 1991 via the schools and media.
The conclusion they all want us to come to is "humanity is destroying the planet with our energy use and must do something." That something includes:
1.limiting family size (which results in the loss of cultures and civilizations)
2. vastly reducing energy consumption (which results in vastly lowered standards of living and technological progress)
Well? Here it is. The green left's dream come true. First we price the poor out of energy to get to work and heat their homes, then we watch billions starve to death around the world (the population crash that the green left longs for).
I'm not sure what happens after that. I suppose a few millenia of rule by feudal lords and slowed scientific/technological progress.
Inevitably we end up with 50 trillion dollar space yachts instead of 300 million dollar models of the more normal variety.
Make not mistake, the green leftists are fighting to be one of those lucky few on the yacht, only by different means than those from big business.
They're playing the same game (it's about control and the wealth and power that comes with it). They're just using different strategies.
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Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on May 14, 2008 11:44 PM
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My understanding is that their investment in our banking industry is approachig two trillion dollars in America. That means they control the liquidity of our banking system and could destroy our economy with that power if they choose. Our addiction to foreign oil may not even be an addiction by choice.
I've recently become more involved in renewable energy research and technoogy. I was researching the value of oil savings in a wind tutbine system in Southern California recently. The company was planning a 130 million dollar project which would produce the energy equivalent of over 250,000 barrels of oil. Value 30 million dollars.
I have a quick and dirty estimate on what it will cost to convert over to remewable fuels. A minimum of three trillion dollars and maybe several times more than that. Most of our economy will be forced to go through restructuring or a collapse when we are forced to deal with that reality.
By the way, we really are running out of oil and there is plenty of evidence out there to support that conclusion.
I bet the reason you are not addressing that issue more openly is interesting to say the least.
Sincerely,
Jay Lindberg
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Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on May 15, 2008 5:47 AM
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By Marco on November 8, 2005
Every morning, I wake up and turn off the air conditioner, fan, or humidifier (depending on the season) that has been running all night. Sometimes I'll leave it on all day, too, so my apartment will be comfortable when I arrive home from work almost 10 hours later.
I walk past my three computers, which run 24 hours a day for my convenience, even though most of their time is spent completely idle. My DVR also stays on constantly so it can record many hours per day of South Park, Modern Marvels, and cop shows, of which I'll probably only watch 1 in 5 before they get deleted to make room for more.
While I don't drive to work, I'm in the minority. As I walk, city buses struggle through the thick traffic, often holding fewer than 10 passengers.
Soon, I arrive at work. Every computer in the office has been running all night so my coworkers don't need to log in and reopen all of their programs every morning.
Our office, like most modern office buildings, has windows that don't open. We've completely sealed ourselves off from the outside air. A heavy-duty HVAC system consumes most of the ceiling space and fills the office with the sounds of a subway tunnel. Even on the nicest days, when the temperature outside is perfectly comfortable, this HVAC system expends millions of BTUs to force the inside air to be a similar temperature. On the hottest days of the summer, the air conditioning cooled the office so strongly that many of us brought pants and sweaters to wear inside.
The windows are so large that during some morning hours, the sun shines in and produces glare on the computer monitors that face the windows. We installed massive blinds to combat this annoyance, but we usually forget to raise them after the problematic hours, so they stay closed for the entire day. To offset the forced lack of sunlight, our office is lit by hundreds of incandescent floodlight bulbs. Despite their extraordinarily wasteful energy consumption, we chose them over efficient fluorescent bulbs because they're more stylish.
Our salesmen, like most salesmen around the world, frequently fly across hundreds or thousands of miles simply to attend a 2-hour meeting then fly home. Such "business travel" represents a large portion of all domestic air travel. They can do this, instead of simply attending a conference call or videoconference, because the airfare is only a tiny fraction of the potential profitability of the deal.
After work, I often stop at the grocery store. It's the worst grocery store I've ever needed to patronize on a regular basis, but it still has most types of fruit, vegetables, meat, dairy, and grain products from across the world in every season of the year. I spend more for cellular phone, internet, and satellite TV services than I spend on food. Even if I had to cut my food expenses, I could just buy more of the cheap essentials instead of eating at restaurants so often. In the middle of January, I can buy 10 pounds of bananas that weren't grown on this continent with less money than I spent on lunch that day.
If I really needed a car, I could buy one within an afternoon. I could get a safe, efficient, reliable 4-door car with lots of perks and luxuries for monthly payments of less than a quarter of an average middle-class income - including insurance and enough gas to drive 1000 miles.
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Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on May 15, 2008 5:47 AM
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I won't point fingers, but some people provide very convincing arguments that the peak and decline of global oil production is going to bring about the collapse of American society, starving most of our population and bringing forth a dark age that will last hundreds or thousands of years.
Spooky, isn't it?
The fundamental flaw in this argument is the assumption that our current energy use as a society cannot decrease, and that a minor change in energy prices will destroy our entire civilization.
Regardless of when it occurs, peak oil will only cause decreases of a few percent per year, at worst. If this happens, a lot of people will make a lot of noise, but fundamentally, we'll be fine. We won't starve to death if food becomes more expensive - we'll just be more conscious of what we eat, and maybe switch to a cheaper cable TV plan. We won't die if gas prices go up - we'll just stop buying huge SUVs and driving them on five unnecessary 1-mile trips every day.
As illustrated above, we have a lot of room for energy savings. We waste energy as much as we do because it's so cheap.
Eventually, we'll need to severely decrease our oil usage. But we'll have a long time to do it, and it'll happen gradually.
Maybe the "collapse of society" will force office buildings to install windows that can open to let in fresh air and sunlight for free. Maybe business people will stop flying around constantly in an age where we can transmit live, high-resolution video across the world using commodity hardware. Maybe we'll have to endure 80-degree houses in the summer. Maybe the simplest products won't be able to keep all 6 layers of plastic packaging. Or maybe we'll have to turn our computers off at night and wait an extra 45 seconds in the morning for them to start.
How awful.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 15, 2008 8:52 AM
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on May 17, 2008 3:59 PM
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Some people are downsizing their vehicles,some are cutting out unnecessary/less necessary car journeys.If the same happens with air use,then that is even better for the environment.Some journeys are unavoidable,but many aren't.
Sadly even the greener,amongst us,have been unwilling to make personal sacrifices,to help the environment.Instead some greens,have droned on,without bothering to take action in their own life.Now they can be philosophically consistent..
It is very noticeable,how economic necessity,is a more powerful tool of change,than argument at times.Karl Marx had a point there.
Undoubtedly the oil companies, along with many nation states have been grubbing around,looking for any and all sources of oil..including from tar-sands.The environmental impact of this desperation could destroy vast wilderness.Isn't it better,to have the opportunity to adapt to low oil supplies,with it's high prices before this continues.
Oil is going to run out anyway,lets adapt before .Advance alternative technologies,as fast as possible,cutdown and cut out oil/petrol use, to the minimum,as individuals and as a society. I was hoping that people would change through selfless reasons,obviously we have become too selfish for that.I'm sure nature won't be too bothered ,why we do it though.
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Posted by: mayall13 on May 18, 2008 7:50 AM
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Think about the myriad of ways plastics are utilized and you will soon see how pervasive this particular use of oil is. Of course this is but a single product which is derived from cracking the long hydrocarbon chain molecules of crude petroleum into smaller ones.
Fueling all this is a rampant consumerism that insatiably gobbles up these products like there was no tomorrow. Marketing is now geared to enlist children into the ranks of the consumer horde at the earliest possible age. A vast array of "consumer training tools" exists to get the young into the habit(albeit at their parents expense), PlayStations, X-boxes,Nintendos, I-Pods all accompanied with a host of accesories and regular upgrades to keep you in the buying habit.
This is the true heart of the problem, a rampant consumerism that knows no bounds and provides no lasting satisfaction: but only a desire for more, bigger, better.
Its time to re-examine our culture of consumption with a particular eye to how it relates to resource management. Think: Need Level, Not Greed Level!
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Posted by: Rune on May 14, 2008 1:32 AM
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Isn't it interesting that we are not hearing about any ideas of that sort, not even from Hillary, who supposedly was gathering so much insight and experience while at her husband's side when he was president? Don't you wonder why that is and who these presidential candidates are really intending to serve when one of them gets their chance to shape and execute national policies that need so much change? I get the sense the most obvious and necessary changes are not in the offing at all under these corporate approved candidates. How about you?
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Posted by: echoclerk on May 14, 2008 1:51 AM
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The front page has nothing whatsoever on China but 4-5 articles about 'gas' prices.
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Posted by: richholland on May 14, 2008 3:34 AM
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In western europe there is strong opposition towards oilcompanies, many people regard them as global terrorists.
Now there is an election , however after reading several newspapers there is no real difference between Hillary and McCain.
All the millions for the few rich should be used for the benefit of the USA.
But dream on and look how other countries do their things.
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Posted by: Farasien on May 14, 2008 5:36 AM
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America is doomed. Learn and get self-sufficient NOW, or as much as you reasonably can. You'll be needing it in the next few months.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 14, 2008 5:56 AM
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It was posted on the Oil Drum a couple days ago. It doesnt quite apply to our situation now, because the current oil crisis wasnt caused by a sharp shock.
And by the way, none of those solutions listed will reduce demand anywhere near 9%. All hell would 'brake' loose if the speed limit was lowered. The increased congestion and loss of productivity would cancel any gains made in fuel economy. There is a reason 55mph limits had no effect on consumption the last time we tried it. Look at the 30 year chart of gasoline consumption. Only major recessions brought it down. 55mph didnt do jack didly.
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Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters on May 14, 2008 5:58 AM
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Damm is makes me angry, well its off to ride the bus, yay!
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Posted by: sillyConValley on May 14, 2008 6:12 AM
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But we also need to look at the market psychology of Climate Change hysteria. The subtext to Climate Change is that since carbon is the culprit we need to limit all carbon oxidation, especially by limiting gasoline combustion. And of course that would indicate rising fuel prices to discourage joy riding and gas guzzling recreational vehicles. So it would not be unreasonable to expect that many on the Left and many within Green political circles would welcome rising gas prices -- at least to some extent.
But not long ago Michael Crichton came out and began questioning the whole Climate Change and Global Warming mentality and agenda and how it ultimately affects political agendas. And, that, we all know, must finally impact military, foreign and domestic policies with unavoidable impact on oil and gas prices. Check out "Michael Crichton on Global Warming" at sillyConValley.net for a very interesting take on this whole issue.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on May 14, 2008 6:43 AM
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With TransitChek it's all free. (Rare bipartisan success of Bill Clinton & a few of Gingrich's urban Republicans of that era.)
And there's the Schaudenfreude of reading all the whiny complaints about gas nowadays.
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Posted by: toddcory on May 14, 2008 7:12 AM
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What to do? Reduce your consumption and become as sustainable as possible to mitigate the impacts from these issues. Our home is 109% of net-zero energy (including winter heating) with only 4.5 kW of solar PV and a SDHW system. We have a large garden and orchard. In a pinch I feel we could grow around 40% of our food. We drive a 50 MPG Prius.
I have seen this coming for about 25 years (remember Jimmy Carters warnings?) and have been working hard to prepare while everyone else played. Yes we are still impacted from the rising prices, but we are much more insulated than many. I encourage people to do what they can to accommodate this "great unwinding". The hardships we are seeing now will look like "the good old days" very shortly.
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Posted by: edgeofnowhere on May 14, 2008 7:31 AM
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on May 14, 2008 7:49 AM
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We need to make most of the airline industry obsolete, to design systems to get our fertilizer from composting, to mandate electric vehicles, to generate electricity from wind, water and other sustainable sources.
A sane government policy could not only solve these problems permanently, but position us to resume our leadership in the world.
We are now witnessing the decline and fall of America - and the beginning of the end of the world (as far as being livable for human beings is concerned). In 100 years or less, if we keep this up, humanity will be an extinct species! Outgassing from the permafrost and the oceans will kill us all. Not alarmism - simple fact - available to any who take the time to look. Soon, natural processes we have set in motion with our rapacious lifestyle will dwarf anything we have done previously.
Some may think that would be a good thing - but we're gonna take 90% of the species on the planet (if not all) with us when we go.
Look at Venus. There is your greenhouse effect in action.
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Posted by: thehousedog on May 14, 2008 7:56 AM
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The price of oil has risen dramatically in the past year. This is not because of a sudden increase in demand or a sudden decrease in supply. Yes, we are past peak oil and on the down side of the curve where the cost of extracting oil will become more expensive, though those costs have not increased so steeply recently. The net profits of the oil companies indicate that they can continue to effectively pass on costs vs. revenue to consumers.
Solution - there is none. There are only less effective alternatives than gasoline and and oil based economy. Watch as the price of food stuffs continues to increase as market forces and commodity brokers start to make profits with the flexibility of price in those markets as well.
It is sad that all of us fail to understand that as "stockholders" we own these companies through our 401K and other investments. Yet we refuse to stop sticking it to ourselves and our fellow citizens of the world all in the name of money.
Concerned about how much the price of gas is - take the bus and put your money where your mouth is with your investments.
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TRIP...AGAIN .....OK....START BY GETTING IN THE LEFT
HAND LANE ON I95.....THEN SET YOUR CRUSE CONTROL AT 75.......NOW COUNT ALL THE CRACKERS
WHO BLOW BY YOU IN SUBURBUNS & EXCURSIONS LIKE
YOUR AN OLD BLACK MAN NAMED NAMED RAHALO PICKING UP ALLUMINUM CANS ON A ON A THREE WHEEL BYCYCLE ....OK.....THEN COUNT ALL THE PEOPLE
YOU PASS DRIVING PREIUS AND VW TURBO DIESEL MODELS....NUFF SAID ! ?
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Posted by: jeffersonian on May 14, 2008 8:31 AM
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Americans make bad choices, moving one hour drive from work, and then they cry about it. Quit crying and make better CHOICES.
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Posted by: willymack on May 14, 2008 9:47 AM
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Posted by: abrunvand on May 14, 2008 9:50 AM
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Meanwhile, it is becomming more and more obvious that local food production is not a snobbish luxury for foodies, but a necessary buffer against high oil prices.
Food security is going to require turning flat urban spaces like lawns and parking lots into small-scale agriculture. Zoning laws will need to be changed to allow urban chickens, front-yard vegetable gardens, fruit trees on parking strips and so on. Zoned parking requirements will need to be reduced in order to open up more space for such gardens.
I immagine that in the expensive oil economy of the future suburban living will lose its appeal and the U.S. will begin to look more like Europe with denser population centers serviced by rail lines. It's too bad we didn't build it that way in the first place, but the building pattern we followed did leave behind so much wasted space that it doesn't seem hopeless to think that it could be retrofit.
That is to say, the article is right that it isn't pleasant living in a cheap-oil infrastructure wihout being able to get cheap oil. On the other hand, an expensive-oil infrastructure could ultimately turn out to be a nicer place to live.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 14, 2008 11:32 AM
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The American Oil companies are 49% of OPEC and it was the American Oil companies who basically created OPEC and taught those of these Oil producing nations how to accomplish this and what it would mean and result in..
So if Oil is said to be selling for $120 per barrel let's say which it is now higher our American oil companies are only paying around $40-42 dollars per barrel so their profit per barrel is about 200%...!
They are allowed to lie about their profit margins to Congress and others and yet still tell their stock holders how terrific things are and well they are doing while crying crocodile tears of barely making over 7-8% profit as the chief economist of Exxon Mobil did last week before Congressman DeFazio last week..
Then when you buy gas approximately 1/3rd of that price is profits, call it $3.75 there is around $1.25 for the company not the gas station owners they make pennies maybe .10-.15 cents tops..!
Also a barrel of Oil is 42 gallons not 55 as many might think so at anything over $120 you are paying $3 dollars per gallon for crude oil fresh out of the ground..not at all refined or anything..that's outrageous..insane..stupid..!
Of course we are a stupid nation lead by really stupid people who have all but destroyed the world's greatest economy and army for that matter..
Now 61% of all the increase in Oil prices or gas prices is pure stupid Speculation and they now say the new ceiling for oil is $138 per barrel..!
Of course it will go much higher when Bush and Cheney attack Iran and even perhaps Syria even thought they do not produce oil..as it will be seen to be yet further destabilizing of the region, and now even more likely with Hezzbullah in control of Beirut and other sections of Lebanon..
It's a shame that American companies and our fellow Americans as well as foreign investors see fit to bring America to it's knees and there is not apparent will among our pathetic compromised corrupted leaders of both parties to do anything about it..
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on May 14, 2008 12:41 PM
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Why do I relay this? What a great opportunity to take two decent cars worth of cash and downsize to one-plus-a-bicycle, and then put the rest in savings for a house for the day when people and banks finally start breaking down and selling their houses for rock-bottom prices.
That's probably not something we'd do were gas still ninety-seven cents a gallon at the busy store on the way to high school back "in the day" (dating myself a little here).
Is it going to hurt? Nah, we'll drop our insurance load down to one car, and halve our current gas bill. My thighs and calves will hurt a little, but only until I lose about thirty extra pounds I've been carrying around with me to pedaling my bicycle.
So, while I get the fact that some families who have chosen to live so far from work/school/grocery that putting a car on the chopping block isn't a realistic option like it is for us, and I get the fact that some folks who work nights can't catch the bus, I must also point out that there are probably lots of folks out there who will--eventually--get sick enough of $4.00-$5.00 gas that they will sell/park their autos...
...and be wealthier, healthier, and indeed wiser for it. Providence helped us make that decision, but that doesn't mean practicality can't get you there, too. :)
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and they seem to do Ok.
Lets ask them to invest in a reverse Marshall plan for the US to help get us out of this fix.
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Posted by: Ayla87 on May 14, 2008 2:27 PM
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With that said, you can all shut up about gas prices. I drive a 1990 Buick Lesabre twenty miles to and from work every day. A quarter of a tank lasts me three to four days. Lets focus on something a bit more important like say the natural disasters in Myanmar and China. The death of thousands is far more important than $120 / barrel... At least I think so any way.
P.S. If anyone wants to see my actual scratch work, reply to this comment. I wrote a piece on my blog about this a week ago and uploaded photos of the actual math just yesterday.
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Posted by: blogbooks on May 14, 2008 7:23 PM
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"They" (whoever is in charge, I don't think you can fit one of your simple "left" or "right" labels on them) have been pushing environmentalism since at least 1991 via the schools and media.
The conclusion they all want us to come to is "humanity is destroying the planet with our energy use and must do something." That something includes:
1.limiting family size (which results in the loss of cultures and civilizations)
2. vastly reducing energy consumption (which results in vastly lowered standards of living and technological progress)
Well? Here it is. The green left's dream come true. First we price the poor out of energy to get to work and heat their homes, then we watch billions starve to death around the world (the population crash that the green left longs for).
I'm not sure what happens after that. I suppose a few millenia of rule by feudal lords and slowed scientific/technological progress.
Inevitably we end up with 50 trillion dollar space yachts instead of 300 million dollar models of the more normal variety.
Make not mistake, the green leftists are fighting to be one of those lucky few on the yacht, only by different means than those from big business.
They're playing the same game (it's about control and the wealth and power that comes with it). They're just using different strategies.
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Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on May 14, 2008 11:44 PM
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My understanding is that their investment in our banking industry is approachig two trillion dollars in America. That means they control the liquidity of our banking system and could destroy our economy with that power if they choose. Our addiction to foreign oil may not even be an addiction by choice.
I've recently become more involved in renewable energy research and technoogy. I was researching the value of oil savings in a wind tutbine system in Southern California recently. The company was planning a 130 million dollar project which would produce the energy equivalent of over 250,000 barrels of oil. Value 30 million dollars.
I have a quick and dirty estimate on what it will cost to convert over to remewable fuels. A minimum of three trillion dollars and maybe several times more than that. Most of our economy will be forced to go through restructuring or a collapse when we are forced to deal with that reality.
By the way, we really are running out of oil and there is plenty of evidence out there to support that conclusion.
I bet the reason you are not addressing that issue more openly is interesting to say the least.
Sincerely,
Jay Lindberg
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Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on May 15, 2008 5:47 AM
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By Marco on November 8, 2005
Every morning, I wake up and turn off the air conditioner, fan, or humidifier (depending on the season) that has been running all night. Sometimes I'll leave it on all day, too, so my apartment will be comfortable when I arrive home from work almost 10 hours later.
I walk past my three computers, which run 24 hours a day for my convenience, even though most of their time is spent completely idle. My DVR also stays on constantly so it can record many hours per day of South Park, Modern Marvels, and cop shows, of which I'll probably only watch 1 in 5 before they get deleted to make room for more.
While I don't drive to work, I'm in the minority. As I walk, city buses struggle through the thick traffic, often holding fewer than 10 passengers.
Soon, I arrive at work. Every computer in the office has been running all night so my coworkers don't need to log in and reopen all of their programs every morning.
Our office, like most modern office buildings, has windows that don't open. We've completely sealed ourselves off from the outside air. A heavy-duty HVAC system consumes most of the ceiling space and fills the office with the sounds of a subway tunnel. Even on the nicest days, when the temperature outside is perfectly comfortable, this HVAC system expends millions of BTUs to force the inside air to be a similar temperature. On the hottest days of the summer, the air conditioning cooled the office so strongly that many of us brought pants and sweaters to wear inside.
The windows are so large that during some morning hours, the sun shines in and produces glare on the computer monitors that face the windows. We installed massive blinds to combat this annoyance, but we usually forget to raise them after the problematic hours, so they stay closed for the entire day. To offset the forced lack of sunlight, our office is lit by hundreds of incandescent floodlight bulbs. Despite their extraordinarily wasteful energy consumption, we chose them over efficient fluorescent bulbs because they're more stylish.
Our salesmen, like most salesmen around the world, frequently fly across hundreds or thousands of miles simply to attend a 2-hour meeting then fly home. Such "business travel" represents a large portion of all domestic air travel. They can do this, instead of simply attending a conference call or videoconference, because the airfare is only a tiny fraction of the potential profitability of the deal.
After work, I often stop at the grocery store. It's the worst grocery store I've ever needed to patronize on a regular basis, but it still has most types of fruit, vegetables, meat, dairy, and grain products from across the world in every season of the year. I spend more for cellular phone, internet, and satellite TV services than I spend on food. Even if I had to cut my food expenses, I could just buy more of the cheap essentials instead of eating at restaurants so often. In the middle of January, I can buy 10 pounds of bananas that weren't grown on this continent with less money than I spent on lunch that day.
If I really needed a car, I could buy one within an afternoon. I could get a safe, efficient, reliable 4-door car with lots of perks and luxuries for monthly payments of less than a quarter of an average middle-class income - including insurance and enough gas to drive 1000 miles.
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Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on May 15, 2008 5:47 AM
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I won't point fingers, but some people provide very convincing arguments that the peak and decline of global oil production is going to bring about the collapse of American society, starving most of our population and bringing forth a dark age that will last hundreds or thousands of years.
Spooky, isn't it?
The fundamental flaw in this argument is the assumption that our current energy use as a society cannot decrease, and that a minor change in energy prices will destroy our entire civilization.
Regardless of when it occurs, peak oil will only cause decreases of a few percent per year, at worst. If this happens, a lot of people will make a lot of noise, but fundamentally, we'll be fine. We won't starve to death if food becomes more expensive - we'll just be more conscious of what we eat, and maybe switch to a cheaper cable TV plan. We won't die if gas prices go up - we'll just stop buying huge SUVs and driving them on five unnecessary 1-mile trips every day.
As illustrated above, we have a lot of room for energy savings. We waste energy as much as we do because it's so cheap.
Eventually, we'll need to severely decrease our oil usage. But we'll have a long time to do it, and it'll happen gradually.
Maybe the "collapse of society" will force office buildings to install windows that can open to let in fresh air and sunlight for free. Maybe business people will stop flying around constantly in an age where we can transmit live, high-resolution video across the world using commodity hardware. Maybe we'll have to endure 80-degree houses in the summer. Maybe the simplest products won't be able to keep all 6 layers of plastic packaging. Or maybe we'll have to turn our computers off at night and wait an extra 45 seconds in the morning for them to start.
How awful.
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on May 17, 2008 3:59 PM
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Some people are downsizing their vehicles,some are cutting out unnecessary/less necessary car journeys.If the same happens with air use,then that is even better for the environment.Some journeys are unavoidable,but many aren't.
Sadly even the greener,amongst us,have been unwilling to make personal sacrifices,to help the environment.Instead some greens,have droned on,without bothering to take action in their own life.Now they can be philosophically consistent..
It is very noticeable,how economic necessity,is a more powerful tool of change,than argument at times.Karl Marx had a point there.
Undoubtedly the oil companies, along with many nation states have been grubbing around,looking for any and all sources of oil..including from tar-sands.The environmental impact of this desperation could destroy vast wilderness.Isn't it better,to have the opportunity to adapt to low oil supplies,with it's high prices before this continues.
Oil is going to run out anyway,lets adapt before .Advance alternative technologies,as fast as possible,cutdown and cut out oil/petrol use, to the minimum,as individuals and as a society. I was hoping that people would change through selfless reasons,obviously we have become too selfish for that.I'm sure nature won't be too bothered ,why we do it though.
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Posted by: mayall13 on May 18, 2008 7:50 AM
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Think about the myriad of ways plastics are utilized and you will soon see how pervasive this particular use of oil is. Of course this is but a single product which is derived from cracking the long hydrocarbon chain molecules of crude petroleum into smaller ones.
Fueling all this is a rampant consumerism that insatiably gobbles up these products like there was no tomorrow. Marketing is now geared to enlist children into the ranks of the consumer horde at the earliest possible age. A vast array of "consumer training tools" exists to get the young into the habit(albeit at their parents expense), PlayStations, X-boxes,Nintendos, I-Pods all accompanied with a host of accesories and regular upgrades to keep you in the buying habit.
This is the true heart of the problem, a rampant consumerism that knows no bounds and provides no lasting satisfaction: but only a desire for more, bigger, better.
Its time to re-examine our culture of consumption with a particular eye to how it relates to resource management. Think: Need Level, Not Greed Level!
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