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How Pot Became Demonized: the Fine Line Between Good Medicine and 'Dangerous Drugs'

By Wendy Chapkis and Richard J. Webb, NYU Press. Posted May 13, 2008.


A history of the battle between politics and science over the use of marijuana as a medicine.
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The following is an excerpt from "Dying to Get High" by Wendy Chapkis and Richard J. Webb (NYU Press, 2008). (c) 2008 NYU Press. Reproduced by permission of the publisher.

For many modern critics, the concept of "medical marijuana" is a contradiction in terms. Medicine is standardized, synthetic, and pure; marijuana involves the unrefined and promiscuous coupling of more than four hundred components rooted in the dirt. Medicine -- in its most powerful and privileged forms -- rests in the hands of men, while the most potent form of marijuana is found in the female flowering plant. Medicine engages in heroic battles against death. Marijuana claims only to enhance the quality of life.

Medicine presents itself as an objective science safeguarded by the ritual of the double-blind, randomized clinical trial. The therapeutic value of marijuana relies largely on the "soft science" of subjective experience and anecdotal evidence. From the perspective of its critics, then, cannabis is an effeminate interloper in the masculine world of real medicine, a dangerous drug pushed on a credulous public by illegitimate quacks.

But this story is too simple. The line separating regular doctors from snake oil salesmen, good drugs from bad, is as much the product of politics as it is of science. The dominance of politics in determining the value of marijuana as a medicine was first demonstrated in the 1930s when the federal government began to restrict the medical use of marijuana, against the recommendations of the American Medical Association (AMA).

The struggle between politics and science over the use of cannabis as a medicine continues. In the final decade of the twentieth century, the federal government threatened physicians with the loss of their license for recommending marijuana to patients, made criminals of patients who followed their doctor's advice, and actively blocked scientific research into the therapeutic value of cannabis, while insisting that it was an established scientific fact that marijuana is not a medicine.

During the opening of a 2004 congressional hearing on medical marijuana, this ongoing battle over cannabis was described by committee chair Rep. Mark Souder (R-IN) as a critical front in the War on Drugs and consistent with the modernization of medicine:

This hearing will address a controversial topic, the use of marijuana for so-called medicinal purposes. In recent years, a large and well-funded pro-drug movement has succeeded in convincing many Americans that marijuana is a true medicine to be used in treating a wide variety of illnesses .... Marijuana was once used as a folk remedy in many primitive cultures, and even in the 19th century was frequently used by some American doctors, much as alcohol, cocaine, and heroin were once used by doctors. By the 20th century, however, its use by legitimate medical practitioners has dwindled, while its illegitimate use as a recreational drug has risen.
Souder thus sets the stage for a morality tale populated by primitive practitioners and legitimate doctors, dangerous drug fiends and decent drug warriors.

Fox News personality Bill O'Reilly invoked a similar cast of characters in his 2004 discussion of medical marijuana with U.S. Deputy "Drug Czar" Dr. Andrea Barthwell. That year, voters in Oregon were to be presented with a ballot measure to amend their state's already-existing medical marijuana law. The proposed amendment (which ultimately failed) was intended both to increase the amount of marijuana a patient could have over the course of a year and to redefine which health professionals could legally recommend marijuana for medical use.

O'Reilly scoffed at the idea that licensed health practitioners other than physicians might be authorized to recommend the use of cannabis to their patients: "Even a shaman could grant permission for you to toke in Oregon. I mean, this is, you know, any health practitioner. So you're a shaman from the Amazon and you set up shop. Come on, I mean, everybody knows this is a ruse. Am I wrong?" Andrea Barthwell confirmed for viewers that O'Reilly's concerns were quite legitimate: "No, you're absolutely right, Bill. This is what we've been trying to make clear to people when they have these proposals presented to them. This is not about getting medicine to people who are sick and dying. This is about making marijuana legal."

While both host and guest shared the belief that the Oregon proposal was no more than a thinly disguised attempt to legalize marijuana, O'Reilly asked whether cannabis itself might not be a legitimate medicine if prescribed by a legitimate physician to a patient with a legitimate need: "But there is a legitimate issue here, Doctor. We had Montel Williams [another popular TV talk show host] on a few weeks back. He has MS [multiple sclerosis]. And I believe Montel Williams when he says, 'Look, medical marijuana helps me, helps me cope with this disease, cope with my suffering. There's no reason why I should be denied it.' And I agree with Montel Williams that if this is the case, if a doctor -- a doctor -- says that he needs it for his MS, he should have it. You don't disagree with that, do you?" Barthwell's response was uncompromising: "Well, I do, actually. There is nothing that tells us from the science now that smoked, crude botanical should be a medication. We have a process that has been in place for 100 years in this country that protects the sick and dying from snake oil salesmen. And just because something makes you feel better doesn't make it medicine."

In this short exchange, the terms of the debate for dismissing cannabis therapeutics are neatly laid out: medical marijuana is a ruse; cannabis is the modern day equivalent of "snake oil"; "crude botanicals" are not real medicine; licensed alternative health practitioners are not legitimate healers; marijuana is reduced to and synonymous with smoking as a delivery system; and "feeling better" isn't always therapeutic. Taken together, these claims create a neat division between marijuana and "real medicine," with medicine narrowly defined as that which is practiced by physicians prescribing pharmaceuticals to patients who will not necessarily feel better as a result.

The rise of "regular" medicine and the battle against botanicals

According to Dr. Raphael Mechoulam, an Israeli research chemist who performed much of the original work in the early 1960s isolating the active ingredients in marijuana: From ancient times to the early 20th Century, cannabis was used for a wide variety of medical purposes including the treatment of pain and swelling, depression, arthritis, impotence, kidney stones, hemorrhaging in childbirth, irregular bowel movements, cold sores, distending stomach, dropsy, headaches, diseases of the respiratory organs, hysteria, neuralgia, sciatica, tetanus, dysentery, fatigue, disorders of the female reproductive system, convulsions, cholera, delirium tremens, vomiting, spasmodic asthma, and a host of other ailments. Most of these therapeutic claims were either based on folklore or were anecdotal, but the use of cannabis as a therapeutic agent in the past provides an insight for future drug development. More recently, some of the historical therapeutic properties of cannabis have been verified with pure natural or synthetic cannabinoids; however, in several fields no modern scientific work exists.

In order to understand why marijuana, a promising medicinal botanical, should now be excluded not only from the modern pharmacopeia but also from much formal scientific study, it is necessary to ask why some drugs, but not all, get labeled "medicine"; why some healers, and not others, are "regular doctors"; why some effects, but only some, are understood as "therapeutic"; and why some risks are acceptable while others are prohibited under penalty of law. The answers cannot be found in a simple appeal to scientific standards. Instead, in order to understand what counts as "legitimate" medicine, it is useful to ask who, beyond the patient, might benefit from such distinctions. In our exploration of the role of organized medicine, state regulatory agencies, the courts, and the pharmaceutical industry in the demonization of marijuana, the intent is not to perform the reverse process, demonizing modern medicine. Over the past century, during which organized medicine consolidated its authority and cannabis was first marginalized and then removed from the pharmacopeia, astonishing medical advances have been made. Unquestionably, the public would be ill served by a return to a time of unregulated medicine practiced by poorly trained doctors with recourse to few effective drugs.

Nonetheless, it is also the case that the healing arts remain an impure science. The most striking difference between marijuana and "real medicine" is not the physical but the social effects the plant has on users and healers alike. Association with marijuana marks those it touches as illegitimate -- a distinction with deep historical roots. Prior to the professionalization of medicine, lay healers -- often women -- made extensive use of medicinal plants. But as modern medicine moved into the ranks of the professions, and into hands of men, botanicals were discredited along with the women who had used them. In their pathbreaking study of the rise of the male medical expert, For Her Own Good, Barbara Ehrenreich and Deirdre English note that, in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, anxiety over women's knowledge of medicinal botanicals contributed to the European witch hunts: charges against the accused often included the provision of herbs.

In Colonial America and the early republic, health and healing practices also rested largely in the hands of lay women practicing herbal medicine. Historian Carol Smith-Rosenberg observes that "women as midwives and as family nurses, women wise in the ancient herbal pharmacopoeia, had always cared for their own and neighboring families. A survey of cookbooks and women's diaries for the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries shows that women collected and exchanged recipes for medicines as routinely as they did for pies and cookies."

By the nineteenth century, however, as medicine entered the marketplace, male physicians with little formal training claimed for themselves the designation "Regular doctor" while moving all others to the margins of the healing arts. In North America, midwives, bonesetters, and "root and herb" doctors were thus gradually displaced by the self-proclaimed "Regulars," not through the violence of witch burnings, as happened in Europe, but rather through professionalization. This challenge was, according to Ehrenreich and English, "at bottom, economic. Medicine in the 19th century ... [became] a thing to be bought and sold."

Professionalization required that the Regulars distinguish themselves from midwives and herbalists; they did so through "heroic medicine," a practice involving dramatic (though not necessarily beneficial) techniques such as bloodletting, blistering, purging, and the use of toxic mercury-based medicines. These interventions were intended to produce "the strongest possible effect on the patient." Though such therapies were not only dangerous and often ineffective, Ehrenreich and English observe that they gave "regular doctors something activist, masculine, and imminently more salable than the herbal teas and sympathy served up by rural female healers." In fact, despite the very serious risks of heroic medicine, Smith-Rosenberg notes that the Regulars insisted that it was they who were protecting "the lives of innocent citizens from ill-trained, irresponsible 'irregulars,' and hysterical midwives."

The Regulars prospered during the first two decades of the nineteenth century and succeeded in securing licensing laws in many states restricting the practice of medicine to those in their ranks and limiting membership to men. But growing dissatisfaction with the results of "heroic medicine," and populist misgivings about monopolies and elites, led to the temporary repeal of such laws during the 1830s. The "Popular Health Movement" of the period challenged the position of Regulars by emphasizing "self-help" (through better hygiene and healthy living) and by embracing the therapeutic approaches of alternative medical sects, including those advocating botanical treatments.

As sociologist Carol Weisman notes, under the banner of science, Sectarians or Irregulars "were attacked by mainstream physicians as 'quacks,' although the therapeutics of the regular physicians were not generally more effective than those of the irregulars." The Regulars reinforced their claim that they, and they alone, were legitimate physicians by founding a national professional organization in 1847 -- the American Medical Association -- explicitly excluding both women and sectarian practitioners.

In the second half of the nineteenth century, economic competition intensified as both Regulars and their rivals -- now known as the "Eclectics" -- opened medical schools to train practitioners. The Eclectics, who advocated the use of botanical therapies, also represented a more populist and egalitarian politics -- for example, they admitted women to their medical schools. During this same period, in 1854, cannabis joined other herbal remedies in the national pharmacopeias and was freely prescribed for a large number of medical conditions ranging from insomnia to neuropathic pain. In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, dozens of research papers were published on the various medicinal uses of marijuana.

This corresponds to a period in which Regulars began to consolidate the power of the newly organized medical profession, in part by absorbing Eclectics into their ranks. As Paul Starr observes in his landmark study, The Social Transformation of American Medicine, Eclectics "succumbed to quiet cooptation; they were only too glad to be welcomed into the fold." By co-opting much of the opposition, physicians were able to secure new licensing laws restricting the practice of medicine. But Eclectics paid a significant price; with the consolidation of control by conventional medicine, botanical therapies were increasingly marginalized by mainstream medicine.

The allopathic approach of the Regulars was not only dominant but also institutionalized in the early twentieth century when organized medicine completed its process of professionalization by gaining control over medical education, access to hospitals, and the right to prescribe drugs. The dominance of this paradigm was reflected in the growing strength of the American Medical Association. In 1900 the AMA had no more than eight thousand members, but by 1910 membership reached seventy thousand, and by 1920 the majority of physicians in the United States had become members. In fact, by 1931 only about 5 percent of all cases of illness were handled by non-MD practitioners.

This exponential increase in the power and professional authority of regular doctors surprisingly did not rest primarily on the provision of more effective medicines; these were slow to be developed. Instead, doctors were forced to find other ways to assert their newly established social and cultural legitimacy. One strategy was to position themselves as experts in not only the physical but also the moral health of the nation. In the nineteenth century, condemnation of birth control and abortion, for instance, provided physicians with a clear moral platform that allowed them to denounce practices still largely in the hands of "irregulars." According to Carol Smith-Rosenberg, these efforts to limit women's reproductive choices became a key arena "in the war between the allopaths and the 'irregulars' for patients and for power .... The 'irregular' physician and the 'irregular' wife, the 'regulars' insisted, conspired together against public order and national well-being." As Carol Weisman observes, this claim of medical and moral expertise "provided regular physicians with an element of social respectability and moral authority, which was enhanced by publicly criticizing the abortion practices of other practitioners and the crass commercialism of purveyors of contraceptives and abortifacients."

At the end of the nineteenth century, flush with its legislative success against abortion, the AMA turned its attention to another arena that neatly linked morality and public health: the provision of drugs. Physicians enhanced their professional authority by speaking out against the dangers of addictive drugs frequently found in "patent medicines" and available directly to the public. Because the formulae of proprietary medicines were secret, it was impossible for patients to judge the safety of those drugs. The practitioners of organized medicine thus joined forces with muckraking journalists to bring to the public's attention the possible risks of patent medicines. This important public service had a significant payoff for the profession as well, reinforcing a growing distinction in the public mind between good drugs (dispensed by doctors) and bad drugs (available directly to the public by unlicensed practitioners).

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Wendy Chapkis and Richard J. Webb are the authors of "Dying to Get High" by (NYU Press, 2008).

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Uh... not really.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 13, 2008 1:36 AM   
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Cannabis is a useful anti-nausea and anti-emetic - far more potent and safe than anything else for that purpose, and thus a critical component of care for both chemotherapy (cancer) patients as well as AIDs patients.

In addition, cannabis has noted antioxidant and neuroprotective effects, meaning it could be useful in a variety of brain diseases and even surgery. For example, it is well known that amphetamines damage nerve cells via over-excitation (true for Ritalin, Adderall, and the other blockbuster ADHD drugs, as well as for ice, speed, meth, crank and Ecstacy) - cannabis has a protective effect in such cases.

Furthermore, cannabis has potent pain relief ability - certainly far better and safer than the NSAIDs like Vioxx and Celebrex - the ones that also cause heart damage?

Finally, cannabis is a safer antidepressant and calming agent for many people, although the key difference in this last use is that low dosages are effective. In the other cases, very potent and concentrated high-THC strains of cannabis are desired.

So, why is cannabis kept off the market? It's true that there is a bias against natural products by drug corporations, but that is mostly because they cannot usually be patented and branded, unlike the latest blockbuster drugs. Thus, no one is willing to put up money to conduct clinical trials - even if cannabis was proven clinically to be a safe and effective medication, no one's stock price would explode - in fact, they might drop, as people tossed out their old prescriptions in favor of cannabis and derivatives thereof.

The reason cannabis is kept illegal is that people would likely quit their Prozac and Paxil and Budweiser and Marlboros and turn to something less toxic and harmful. I don't think 19th century notions of medicine have much to do with it - more the rise of totalitarian state mentalities, I'd say. "We must have order and discipline! Here - booze and tobacco and speed! - no pot, no mushrooms!"

This also provides a good excuse for the schmucks at the DEA to keep drawing their paychecks while they run around busting college kids for smoking pot, all while taking kickbacks from the major drug corporations to look the other way while they peddle oxy-heroin to everyone and their dog. What else is the DEA good for, anyway? Covering up the fact that heroin is now coming in from Afghanistan, much as it came in from Vietnam, much as cocaine came in from Central America.

Then, you've got the prison-industrial complex to feed. What would happen to the profit margins of CCA if their privately owned prisons were forced to release all their non-violent drug offenders? Prison labor is cheap and reliable - to get anything similar, one must go overseas.

However, one might say that it is the recreational use of cannabis, not the medical use, that is of concern. This is only true because of the mad consumer nature of American society, however. The best mentality for any kind of recreational drug use, be it alcohol, cannabis, or whatever, is the "less is more" mentality.

The consumer is just a hog being fattened for the slaughter - but a hog that also pays for its own feed. What a deal for the hog owner, huh? A lifetime of bad food and bad drugs, followed by a long, slow, and very expensive death, generally from cancer or heart disease or liver failure and diabetes - that's what the consumer lifestyle has in store for you.

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The reason cannabis is illegal...
Posted by: colinmeister on May 13, 2008 3:41 AM   
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Is because it would be hard for the federal, or state, govrnments to make money from it. While other mood enhancing drugs - tobacco and alcohol - are easy to tax, a plant which will grow well in peoples back yards, in window boxes, or hydroponicaly, would be hard to tax effectively. Sure, the "Exotics", like Nepalese hashish, could be effectively taxed, but regular "Weed" would result in a very low income for governments.

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Snake Oil Myth
Posted by: Mingo on May 13, 2008 4:08 AM   
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Interestingly, as Udo Erasmus points out in "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill", Snake Oil got a bad rap, for the reasons outlined above. The original Snake Oil was a ancient remedy brought over by Chinese laborers in the mid 1800's. It consisted of pressed cold water eels - very high in EFAs (Essential Fatty Acids). It was used both topically as a liniment and taken internally, and it actually worked - so well that it was a threat to the early patent medicine purveyors, who discreted it. Oh, Udo also said that hemp seed oil, with its' perfect balance of Omega 3 and 6 EFAs, was natures perfect oil, number 1 above salmon, olive, flax, etc. (In his book's 2nd edition, he moved hemp out of first place, as the DEA at that time was trying to ban hemp oil and Udo thought it may not be available.

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A "pick me up"
Posted by: carbon-based on May 13, 2008 5:13 AM   
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Just saw a study on TV the other day that said pot caused depression in teens.. Not sure why not in adults except that they are probably already depressed or they wouldn't be smoking pot!

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ARGH!!!
Posted by: cordas on May 13, 2008 5:24 AM   
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Medicine -- in its most powerful and privileged forms -- rests in the hands of men, while the most potent form of marijuana is found in the female flowering plant.

I beg your pardon..... what on all earth is the point of that statement!!!!

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And then there's the bureaucracy....
Posted by: Cath on May 13, 2008 5:32 AM   
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One other notable turning point in the war against marijuana was the repeal of Prohibition. After years of Prohibition, there was a large cohort of anti-alcohol bureaucrats, notably Harry J. Anslinger, who shifted their interdiction activities to marijuana (and cocaine, heroin and opium).
Their work was publicized by America's yellow journalists, who linked marijuana use to African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans and immigrants, effectively combining the demonization of prescribers by the medical establishment with the demonization of users by
the moralists and law enforcement community.

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» RE: And then there's the bureaucracy.... Posted by: John, Sartell, MN, USA
Millenia of Use has prove it Safe & effective- just not profitable
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 13, 2008 6:24 AM   
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Pot has been around since the beginning, a tool used by the ancients and Pre Male Dominated Medical Care ( those midwives burned at the Stake for being Witches- men attempting to demonize woman and seize the medical Profession for their own Gains).Granted Smoking does increase the possilbity of Cancer (but it's mostly cnacer patients who need it's effects to off set Pharmacutical Poisons who are Dying & suffering anyway)But Pot can also be Eaten to avoid such disease. The Longitutinal Studies were Complete Centuries ago, It's side effects are mild or non existent.
As for Crime, Pot is far cheaper, NON addictive and a NON Stimulant- So that Arguement is also Invalid!
Pot reamins Illegal because average citizens could grow it themselves and no longer need to purchase the Deadly Anti Anxiety and Anti Depressants being PUSHED by the Pharm's. They could NOT MAKE MONEY (not just from their manufactured Products, but from the supporting drugs needed to alleviate theri Side effects. I wna tto know what Meds People who take 'Restles leg Syndrome' are taking prior to this 'Afflictions' Onset.Does it have a Direct correlation with these 'Despensed like Candy' psychotropics?
Considering the mental stupor ('Snowed') behavior of the Public in reagrds to the sinking of America I have to wonder if these 'Prescriptions ' are not Blame. And they make fun of Stoners for being Out of Touch with Reality. I've Stopped Taking the "Happy Pill" they so quickly and easily handed me a Prescription for- I actually have regained my emotions and thus my outrage at the Entities who have brought our country to it's knees. I never had psychological problems, I was just getting worried about Work and finanaces! Sometimes there is a REAL External Force causing Depression & anxiety that must be Dealt with to relieve the unpleasnat Symptoms. You are Not Paranoid when it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone (thing) is really out to get You. The Corps and their Political minions have proven they are out to destroy this country! the 'Sucking Sound' is Real and Intentional- No One could fuck Up this badly and continue to do so with such disregard. Cheney's "SO" was a Confession!

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Excellent Summary of This Power and Money Grab...
Posted by: drricklippin on May 13, 2008 7:50 AM   
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... by US organized medicine in collusion with Big PHRMA.

Thank you so much

I will widely distribute

I refer all to an excellent website and organization The Drug Policy Alliance.


Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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The flaming sword!
Posted by: garry minor on May 13, 2008 7:47 AM   
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Cannabis has been used for food, fuel, shelter, medicine, pleasure, and spirituality from the first time our ancestors tasted it's fruit and learned how to use it's strong fibers. In the Genesis mythology, after God banishes them from the garden he places a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the Tree of Life.
In 1936 a Polish Anthropologist named Sula Benet discovered that in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament the Word Kaneh bosm had been translated as calamus by the Greeks when they first rendered the Books in the 3rd century B.C. and then propagated from the Greek in future translations as Hebrew ceased to be a spoken language and not revived until the late 1800's. Benet claimed through substantial research and etymological comparison the proper translation for kaneh bosm is cannabis. In 1980 the Hebrew Institute of Jerusalem confirmed her claim.
In Exodus 30:23, God instructs Moses to use 250 shekels of kaneh bosm in the oil to anoint all kings, Priests, and Prophets, for all generations to come, including that of Jesus and even today as the title Christ/Messiah means literally covered in oil, Anointed! Kaneh is also listed as an incense tree in Song of Songs 4:14, and again in Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, and Ezekiel 27:19. There are 141 references to anointing and 145 for burning incense in the standard Bible. The Greeks and others in that day used calamus as an aphrodisiac and stimulant, it's active chemical asarone is a precursor to the psychedelic MDMA, ecstasy. Honest mistake.
Jesus came to make Anointed Priests of all that had eyes to see, ears to hear, and hearts to understand. This lasted a short while until his true followers were all killed and persecuted. The religion was then watered down and taken over by the antichrist, the literal definition being, "opposed to or against anointed". The church then distorted the truth and used religion as a tool of destruction, they took control and plunged Europe into the dark ages. By this time the mystery of the Oil was long lost. A world ignorant of the True God!
With Benet's discovery and that of the Nag Hammadi and Dead sea Scrolls during the 1940's the Truth of the Mystical Anointing has again been given to us. In the the Gospel of Philip it is written;
"The chrism is superior to baptism, for it is from the word Chrism that we have been called Christians, certainly not because of the word baptism. And it is because of the chrism that "the Christ" has his name. For the Father anointed the Son, and the Son anointed the apostles, and the apostles anointed us. He who has been anointed possesses everything. He possesses the resurrection, the light, the cross, the Holy Spirit. The Father gave him this in the bridal chamber, he merely accepted the gift. The Father was in the Son and the Son in the Father. This is the Kingdom of Heaven."
In the Bible, 1 John 2:18-29, John warns of many antichrist and say's;
"But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the Truth." He goes on to say; "I am writing these things to you about those that are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit-just as it has taught you, remain in him."
In the Apocryphal Testament of Levi it is written;
"And he shall open the gates of paradise, and shall remove the threatening sword against Adam; and He shall give to his Saints to eat from the Tree of Life, and the Spirit of Holiness shall be on them."
In Revelation it is written;
"On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yeilding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the Tree are for the healing of nations. No longer will there be any curse."
Anyone have eyes to see?

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We know!
Posted by: jeffreytaos on May 13, 2008 7:56 AM   
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I preface my comments with the following link: http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=95774
because, this is my first thought, that we wage war on people across the world and our own people here in the US only to see the drugs are readily available, so who is profiting by all this. One reader said the government can't be interested in providing a low cost alternative to the addictive substances of alcohol, cigarettes and other drugs, legal and illegal. It's sad to think, but has anyone ever really questioned deeply to discover who really profits from illegal drugs? I don't think the cigarette and alcohol companies would lose much business over the legalization of pot, but the cost of pot would likely drop substantially and the dependence on other harmful drugs would decrease. I think the medical industry could make up it's losses over paxil and prozac with pharm grade cannabis, regulated and sold, but the government is afraid there won't be enough buyers. Is this true? Wouldn't many people just prefer to get their cannabis partly funded by their insurance from a pharmacy. Not everyone has an interest in growing nor an ability to succeed in that effort. Legalization must occur, but sadly, we have to fight the deep inbred corruption systemic in our system of governance, the same corruption that allows the opium trade to flourish in the places that the US has declared stability in. We have to struggle for equality as the drug laws are used to incarcerate dissenting voices. The same laws are used to quasi-regulate the economy by placing millions of workers in prisons rather than encourage them towards stable employment at fair wages, and this feeds the immigration problems. Meanwhile so called free trade imposes our products on markets that show very little interest (see South Korea and the cattle industry) The problems we face are systemic and I am completely in favor of any form of legalization, which lends to the oppositions arguments that medical marijuana is a foot hold. Not true. Medical Marijuana is a necessity for those with debilitating and life threatening illnesses. Just because I draw with my left hand does not mean that I have to eat with my right. The premise for legalizing pot is freedom of choice and consciousness. The premise for medical marijuana is life and necessity. I wish some of these talk shows would start revealing the power brokers behind illegal drugs. These are certainly not the ones we find in prisons. How does opium get from Afghanistan to the US? How does pot travel beyond the Berlin Wall at our southernmost border? The American people are the losers in this game of money and greed that is strangling the middle class. One might even make the argument that the costs of all this corruption has a direct correlation to the housing and credit card markets. Greed has no end in sight. I'm voting for change, and I'm demanding it every day of my life. You should too.

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» RE: We know! Posted by: bornxeyed
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Cannabis is illegal because the Public at large wants it illegal
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on May 13, 2008 8:09 AM   
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Controlling others is a human pastime, a pastime humans of all nations enjoy.

Sex, drugs, selling sex, assisted suicide, freedom of speech, religion, association, the press, the right to self defense, the right to an abortion, they are all elements under the umbrella of my body, my property, my choice.

Some people will support some freedoms, a few even many freedoms, but ultimately most people think of other adults as children that need to be controlled by the state in some way, shape, or form.

Until we collectively throw that belief in the waste bin we will have BS laws like ones against cannabis.

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medicine man
Posted by: alkamm on May 13, 2008 8:10 AM   
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The sense of medicine that Native Americans used was actually a fuller expression of the power of both substances and attitude of healing powers.
Western Medicine dislikes claims that a drug like ginseng can operate like breathing on hot or cold (tea or hands) to "heal" or change in both directions. They see no panaceas, only one way drugs need apply.
Marijuana's uses are as indisputable as climate change, so reliably, Republican types will trot out scientists from right wing think tanks that will dispute.
Luckily, according to Pollan, the underground cultivation of marijuana has preserved the power and peculiar charms for future generations that will be less political and more scientific in their appraisal.

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» RE: spr.org Posted by: Lauren
Solution to our environmental, oil, fuel, food crisis is industrial hemp
Posted by: premarachel on May 13, 2008 8:38 AM   
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This is an open letter.

Dear All

I am a mother and grandmother and am greatly concerned about my children's futures. I certainly believe hemp offers a sound solution that is far less offensive than war for oil, and is certainly a morally superior.
Our economy is in desperate shape and with rising costs in oil, foods and utilities and a 9 trillion dollar debt, our children's futures looks extremely bleak. Education and health are both greatly underfunded and are facing even more cuts. Our environment is is desperate shape and we are told by our foremost climatologist, NASA’S Jim Hanson, that we need to (in spite of the fact that we are on a steady increase) reduce current CO2 levels by 85 ppm or face extinction. These are dismal times, especially in considering the futures of our children and grandchildren.
The oil crisis does not need to be our crisis. We have a ready alternative, that can help clean the environment, make us fuel independent and create sustainable industries.
Industrial hemp has thousands of potential uses, from paper to textiles to biodegradable plastics to health food to fuel. It is one of the fastest growing biomasses on the planet, and one of the earliest domesticated plants known. It also runs parallel with the "Green Future" objectives that are becoming increasingly popular. Hemp requires little to no pesticides, replenishes soil with nutrients and nitrogen, controls erosion of the topsoil, and produces lots of oxygen, considering how fast it grows. Furthermore, Hemp could be used to replace many potentially harmful products, such as tree paper (the process of which uses bleaches and other toxic chemicals, apart from contributing to deforestation), cosmetics (which often contain synthetic oils that can clog pores and provide little nutritional content for the skin), plastics (which are petroleum based and cannot decompose), and more.
Farming only 6 percent of California’s acreage would provide all of California’s current gas and oil energy needs. Hemp produces more energy per acre per year than corn, sugar, flax, or any other crop currently grown for ethanol or biodiesel. Hemp can replace every building material and is far stronger than tree woods and grows four times as much cellulose fiber pulp on an acre than trees. Hemp can replace most plastics, paints, varnishes, inks, lubricating oils and all non renewable coal or petroleum products. Hemp produces paper at a fraction of the cost and time of growing trees, and it can be recycled seven times as compared to wood paper’s only three. Hemp outscores cotton in every aspect. As a food hemp is only second to soybeans, one of the worlds most nutritious plants. It is cheaper than soy to extract protein from and can be made into any product soybeans can produce, including tofu, butter, cheese, salad oils and many other highly nutritious foods. Hemp seed is the highest of any plant in essential fatty acids. Hemp seed oil is among the lowest in saturated fats at 8% of total oil volume. All of this is well known, proven and documented, and in all honesty I cannot think of a sane reason why we do not pursue this rather than face more trillions spent on oil wars, an oil that is both fast running out, and responsible for our rapid climate deprivation, fast rising food costs, and with no viable alternative in site. We need to grow not kill.
We do not need to suffer for any other reason than continuing to fatten the wallets of an extreme minority. This is an incredible opportunity before us as we face potentially devastating times. I would ask you to please discuss this with as many associates as possible.

Thank you so much for your time.
Sending you best wishes and warmest regards,
Prema Rachel

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abuse drug
Posted by: csolidum on May 13, 2008 8:49 AM   
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This is a comprehensive addiction portal focusing on topics of alcohol and drug abuse. http://www.alcoholaddiction.org


well, we all know that these medecines, a kind of drugs w/c is not good in our body, bec. when you take this kind of medicine for the abuser, it helps their body needs but it looses ur mind.

carol
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First of all, it's not the drug. It's the business that demonized it. Let's reframe shall we.
Posted by: maxpayne on May 13, 2008 9:08 AM   
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71 years ago, Harry Anslinger wouldn't have bothered revving up the efforts to put an OBSCENELY high tax on Cannabis were it not for the vested business interests working with him. Let's look at today. Right now, we the Progressive and Liberals have a perfect opportunity to TEAR DOWN THE WALL of the Cannabis BAN and get our shit together but we're not. Why? Simple. The Progressive/Liberal movement is still focusing on the rightwing frame instead of going on the offensive by alerting the general public to the 26000+ uses of Cannabis. Do that and the phoney "war on drugs" loses ground.

It's no coincidence that America relies on "free" trade scams to import poor quality everything be it paint, wood, paper, plastics, etc ... when in fact Cannabis can be grown here at home to produce longer lasting and far more durable versions of the same stuff here at home. It is also no coincidence that America fights wars for oils and desperately relies on the Middle East for dwindling supplies of it all the while banning the growth and cultivation of the plant that could easily give us sufficient amounts, does not deplete the soils, grows on any climate soil, and does not cause food crisis unlike corn-based biofuels.

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you think this is bad?
Posted by: jstepp590 on May 13, 2008 9:40 AM   
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Let's forget the fact that hemp could compete with the oil, wood and paper industries. Let's forget the documented fact of the massive lobbying efforts of the big pharma industry to keep medical marijuana illegal. Let's even forget the 800,000 arrests every year from people who enjoy smoking it, as though getting high is worse for the individual and society than that level of criminal creation activities by the "Justice" department. In my opinion these pale in comparison to this.

In the 80's, the government paid researchers at a university to perform tests to show that smoking weed causes cancer the same as with cigarettes. In fact, not only was it found that it didn't cause cancer, the extract of marijuana actually killed it! That's right, marijuana kills cancer, reliably, with none of the side effects of chemotherapy.

Now, any normal citizen would have said Eureka!!! and considered it one of the best scientific discoveries of our times. What was the government reaction? They buried the research and had the university destroy all the work! Sounds like a bad plot for a spy novel but in this case reality is stranger than fiction. Read the articles yourself.

http://americanmarijuana.org/Guzman-Cancer.pdf

http://www.safeaccessnow.org/downloads/cancer_brochure.pdf

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v00.n289.a09.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/armentano-p1.html

The part which hurts and pisses me off the most is that all the DEA and our government had to do was move marijuana from a Schedule 1 to a Schedule 2 drug just like heroin and cocaine, two obviously far more dangerous drugs. They refused to do so, meaning that researchers cannot research it and doctors cannot prescribe it.

The DEA says that it would promote the use of marijuana, as though the doctors are going to get their supply and gleefully run down to the nearest grade school to sell it!

All the lives lost to cancer over the last 30yrs didn't have to be lost. I hold our government directly responsible for those deaths. I feel there needs to legal action against whoever made this decision for murder in the 1st degree.

Then our government says "Trust us! We have your best interests at heart." Yeah, right. At this point, and with many other activities our government is involved in, I wouldn't trust them to tell me the correct time of day.

The worst part is that this, just like most of the other activities, are created by the same root problem of our campaign finance system. As an example, we have a president that we pay $400k per year but that president paid over $300 million to get that job. Who do we think he's working for, us? Right, pull the other one.

Until we institute a Clean Election system this is what we will get for a government. Until people start paying attention to this problem, one which all the other ones stem from, we will get what we deserve. This article says it better than I can.

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/48405/?page=1

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Another reason why its illegal...
Posted by: everton9 on May 13, 2008 9:55 AM   
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For the purposes of simplification, and considering that this excerpt focus on medicinal marijuana I will ignore the debate over whether all people should be able to use marijuana if they so choose. Instead, I will focus solely on the legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes.

If one wishes to legalize the use of marijuana for just medicinal purposes, which may be reasonable given enough support for its benefits, then one issue remains. I have a bunch of friends from California who love to tell me how easy it is to get pot. When their stash is running out, they just go to the right doctor, tell them that they've got a headache, and get their script. Clearly, if we wish to legalize marijuana to be used for the medicinal purposes outlined in this excerpt, there still exists the issue of creating appropriate controls so that recreational users will not abuse the privilege. However, such controls are clearly not in place now, and this may be one reason why medicinal marijuana remains criminalized. As usual in America, a bunch of stupid people who think only for themselves take advantage of a good situation and ruin it for everyone else.

Now, you may argue that many prescriptions are abused. I would agree thats true, and that is why I claim that this is only a contributing factor to the continuing criminality of medicinal marijuana. But I do think that if it wasn't abused, people would have a much better case for it.

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» RE: Another reason why its illegal... Posted by: ConnecttheDots
Documentary on this topic
Posted by: fanny666 on May 13, 2008 10:42 AM   
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Worth watching

Grass

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Very good artical
Posted by: Floresta on May 13, 2008 11:51 AM   
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especially linking woman-based healing vs male-authority-figure cultures.
I could care less about the false-framing of 'legal' vs 'illegal'. I choose not to be in the medical cannabis'system' here in CA as I feel that I have NO need of some "authority" to tell me how to take care of MY body and mind. I do not purchase cannabis either; I trade or grow my own and it is no one's dang biz if I do. I gratefully use cannabis for inflammation/pain and for journeying/communing with nature.
That hemp farming in this nation is not allowed is a great tragedy and down right stupid...

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I know personal experience
Posted by: tvaspen on May 13, 2008 1:27 PM   
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doesn't seem to count much to the 'Power Overs', but as a man suffering from severe arthritis (Hip replacement at 48 and a week and a half away from hip replacement #2 at 50), I have been prescribed an endless supply of opiates for pain. I don't like them, I don't like the way they make me feel. They bring on major mood swings and lack of energy, not to mention, loss of libido, dopyness(sp?)itching, etc. And after awhile they lose they're effectiveness to relieve pain. I have been an off and on pot smoker since the age of thirteen, lately mostly off because I have to hold a job, and God forbid I should have to take a drug test. At this point I will be off of work for awhile so a couple months ago I got some pot to see how it worked for the pain. Not only did it help the pain, but it took away the depression and the hopelessness. I regained my sense of humor, I was able to get to sleep and felt clear headed in the morning. I didn't need much, just a couple hits now and then and before bed. I eventually ran out and didn't have the funds to replenish, so it was back to the opiates. With my medical coverage they only cost $5.40 for forty pills, such a deal! And I wasn't about to knock off a liquor store for more pot, and I certainly wouldn't want to get caught with it. So I guess my point is, I don't need a doctor or a politician telling me what is right for me, or what works for me. The proof, as they say , is in the pudding. Hopefully when this surgery and subsequent recovery are over, I will be able to stop the opiates without much of a problem, if not, the pharmas got me on the come back.....

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Bill Dake
Posted by: billdake@sbcglobal.net on May 13, 2008 1:33 PM   
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I use Medical Marijuana for Arthritic Pain and it works well. If adults (not kids) want to use it for recreational purposes let them, as most medical people realize that it is the most benign of intoxicating substances and that the laws against it’s use are far more destructive than the drug itself.

I feel the real reason that the feds want to keep Marijuana illegal against all logic, against all the positive scientific evidence is because the Military Industrial Complex views MJ as an anti-war and anti-violent substance that could undermine military ambitions. They would rather have an alcohol fueled populace who would be more able to say while looking at the graphic Vietnam War on TV, “Let’s go Nuke them.” They do not want a populace that would see the same TV gore and would say “what are we doing this for?” We no longer allow TV to show War honestly as we did for Vietnam and War being far removed is more acceptable.

President Nixon wrote in his memoirs about how he wanted to Nuke Vietnam and how Marijuana Smoking Peaceniks were causing public support for the War to erode. Who knows, Marijuana may have saved the world from nuclear annihilation.

Run & Walk July 4, in SF to End the War on Drugs, www.peopleevents.org/Freedom_Road_2008.html

Bill Dake

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» Cannabinoids for pain Posted by: fanny666
Ethics,racism,morality and religion
Posted by: sicntired on May 13, 2008 1:46 PM   
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From these polarizing factions springs all that is judgmental and baseless in our laws restricting the use of medications from which the medical community cannot wrench a profit.Marijuana is only one of the plants that ,although they grow like weeds almost anywhere,are illegal to grow or possess.The various medical organizations throughout North America seem more interested in protecting their turf than in any altruistic bettering of the public health.In many cases they seem to act in opposition to a patient's good health for reasons that are often mysterious.We are not that advanced from the days when we burned these herbalists at the stake as witches.We now pillory them inside our prisons and in the press.Even members of the medical fraternity are in constant fear of being brought down for the crime of showing compassion.The lists of doctors who's license to prescribe certain medications has been restricted is as large as that of those whose practice is as yet unobstructed.This shows the rampant paranoia that pervades the profession.

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The endless story....ever since 1933
Posted by: jeffrey7 on May 13, 2008 2:20 PM   
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We've been talking about this for generations. The trouble is the average American is still all to willing to believe the media and folks like Bill O'Rielly,who probably gets high on his own flatulance, and is far too busy just trying to survive to even think about the truth about pot. Made by the Creator that made the Universe,set here because of it's great usability as more than just a 'drug'. Which it is not, Hemp is a grassy herb.
People also tend to not listen to their Elders. I guess that's how we 'advance' as humans. I was always told to save what's good from the past and use what's good of the new and make things better for tomorrow.
Besides being the most theraputically active substance know to man,in it's natural state, cannibis hemp makes hundreds of useful legal,healthful pruducts.
Copies of the Declaration of Independence were printed on hemp paper and given to the Liberteens. Declare your own independence.Spark up a fatty and turn off the evening news and use the evening paper to start a bitchin' bon fire. Now that's Freedom Man!!!
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez '08

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On the right
Posted by: CalKid on May 13, 2008 3:10 PM   
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Recall that William F. Buckley, intellectual founder of the National Review magazine, advocated legalization of marijuana.
Too often we find that left-wingers want us to live in a "nanny state", where government is responsible for our daily lives.

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Confiscation of Property .......
Posted by: picket on May 13, 2008 3:51 PM   
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If the "black-booted thugs" had to turn in ALL the $$$$$ they confiscate into the hands of one central agency, out of their own control, it might end the corruption and gleeful look in their eyes as they arrest their prey. I notice that on "COPS" program when the LEO advises the crying passenger that Mom's car now belongs to the department.

There are many rumors around that the Chief of Police in two area communities have a stash of $$$$$$ that their teenagers tap into as desired. It is so much that the Chief does not miss it. Could this possibly be the truth??

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END PROHIBITION NOW!
Posted by: Bearzerker on May 13, 2008 4:36 PM   
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...and take the profit out of organized crime! and organized governmental black ops!

I think the government doesn't want to move on ending prohibition is because this is the only way they can secretly fund their dirty little tricks & pogroms... ala Iran Contra...

they also get huge donations from private citizens and their money laundering schemes to keep it illegal so they can maintain milking this monkey till the cows come home!

this has now bred corporate involvement in slave labor and crime and punishment for profit corp-o-nazi concentration camp environs for all the world to see!

I have seen the enemy and it is US!

for shame America.... for shame...
end this ridiculas sham...
history is watching!

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» RE: ND PROHIBITION NOW! Posted by: Lauren
» thats why its called black ops... Posted by: Bearzerker
its a GOD given right
Posted by: susan a. moles on May 13, 2008 4:54 PM   
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this is my opinion, a short video. follow link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1177134371994268544

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» RE: its a GOD given right Posted by: Lauren
I LOVE CANNABIS
Posted by: caru on May 13, 2008 6:51 PM   
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i have been using cannabis for ten years primarily for the effects of POST TRAUMATIC STRESS and it is successful. i follow articles on PTS, most of these articles cover participants in war. i feel very strongly that we must involve ourselves in the healing of these war participants. i further believe any adult gardener really needs to grow their own. with peak oil the price of big pharma is only going to increase way beyond the ordinary persons reach -- this includes veterans. really this plant needs to be available to everyone for the ills of old age.

further, if one chooses, this herbal medicine can open the doors of consicousness and raise ones spiritual nature.

as far as western WHITE MALE medicine -- it is pretty darn near killing us. please take a look at a process called EFT. this stuff is going to replace 'modern medicine' this stuff is capable of healing every thing ... and it is all self treatment by tapping on accupressure points. this stuff works! go to youtube and search EFT.


for me, EFT and CANNABIS are the perfect healing combination. i wish more people had access to these life enhancing and life sustaining modes.


BLESSINGS TO ALL!

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» RE: I LOVE CANNABIS too Posted by: Lauren
Can't admit they were wrong
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on May 13, 2008 7:05 PM   
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I think one reason not mentioned yet for why pot stays illegal is that after 80 or so years of demonizing marijuana, the ego driven folks in the government aren't going to finally pop up and say, "we have been totally full of shit for a very long time now...so sorry."

To change the laws now is to admit they were wrong. God forbid the us government should ever be wrong!

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Least we not forget the expert demonizers...
Posted by: DdC on May 13, 2008 11:28 PM   
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The Ganjawar is a product. It eliminates competition. Ganja and Hemp are way too versatile for synthetic products to keep up. Hemp ditchweed makes up to 98% of the Cannabis eradications. Big numbers, lies and a near monopoly reefer mad media keeps the Ganjawar going. Keeping more durable blue jeans from kids.

The Church pushing booze sacraments, The Pharmaceuticals pushing side effect producing pills and caps, Ag Chemicals not used on hemp or Ganja. Paper or wood products from hemp, with greater tensile strength than old growth forests. Soft strong fiber not requiring 90 million pounds of poisons like cotton. Or foreign wars like the crude oil polyester.

No money in prevention or cures, except selling thousand dollar retreats maybe. Polio was probably the last thing cured, steel and leather industries lost a lot of leg brace business. Hempseed nutrition might send the wrong message to the starving babies. Or the fast food industries.

Sacramental Cannabis Food Fuel Fiber FARMaceuticals.
Peace, Love and Liberty or the Merchants of D.E.A.th!
DdC

Witch hunts and the war on weed
by Reverend Damuzi (20 Jun, 2002)

shadow of the swastika elkhorn manafesto

Effort To Disguise a Medicine as an Illegal Drug

Woman’s Christian Vengeance Union

Ganja/Hemp

Groups Endorsing RxGanja

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Uhh........dude?
Posted by: GoHot on May 14, 2008 5:44 AM   
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The use of pot has directly affected me in many ways.......like .......oh yea, when I have bouts with arthritis, it helps to not make me aware of the pain, or .......uh.......not give a s_ _ _ if it hurts. On the other hand it makes me eat, which could affect my weight, leading to........uh.......uh......oh yea, more pain, because of carriinngg.....uh...carying too much.........weight, caring too much weight.But the buz was good for a while......! Uh........and...uh....it was easy to grow cause I'm s farmer and I got all the land and allthe places to hide while its growing. Dude.........oh yea I like pot...........but I don't get much done...............like...you know. And I can just trip and watch it for hours and not feel pain...........and I can watch it for hours......And I feel good, but I get hungry.

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» RE: Uhh........dude? Posted by: tvaspen
uh Dude
Posted by: GoHot on May 14, 2008 5:52 AM   
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Absurd???? of course, but there lies a lot of truth un the use of canabus and the dumbing down of all who use it, you must agree that most that use it are not as productive as they should be, and for cronicly ill where there is no alternative, well we just have to weigh the consequence of use. My feelings is it's more for recreation than medicinal, and having said that, I'll leave the discussion there, by the way I quit smoking after a lifetime of puffing, and have not puffed for over a year.

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» RE: uh Dude Posted by: tvaspen
» RE: uh Dude Posted by: donl51
Spellbinder
Posted by: Spellbinder00 on May 14, 2008 9:09 AM   
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There is the real story why Marijuana was illegalized. It starts back in the 1930's when two corperations began. First was Dupont and second was Hearst publishing. Dupont at that time came out with Nylon and other artificial materials to be used as clothing and Hearst publishing just required a new process to make paper from trees. They both scamed together to demonize Hemp(Marijuana) to sell their new processes so as to make a fortune.(Hemp is very inexpensive to grow and process into cloths and paper) They lobbby the Government to illgalize the growing and selling of hemp. You see at that time nobody really knew or smoked hemp untill it was made aware of by government movies like "Reefer Madness" sponsored by Dupont and Hearst lobbying. These sam methods are used today in the Anti-drug ads on TV about pot. They Are Lying to You. Today the pharmaceutical companies are using the same ploy to keep you from "The Cure" (See "Running from the Cure" on YouTube and Learn the Truth about the power of Hemp.)

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The pharma companies ARE trying to package and sell Cannabis
Posted by: rothermelgirl on May 14, 2008 11:18 AM   
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I don't know if anyone has posted about this yet, but it is quite clear that the pharmaceutical industry is actually trying to harness the power of the cannabinoid system for gain:

Recent advances in Cannabis sativa research: biosynthetic studies and its potential in biotechnology.
Sirikantaramas S, Taura F, Morimoto S, Shoyama Y.

Graduate School of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Kyushu University, Higashi-ku, Fukuoka, Japan.

Cannabinoids, consisting of alkylresorcinol and monoterpene groups, are the unique secondary metabolites that are found only in Cannabis sativa. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabidiol (CBD) and cannabichromene (CBC) are well known cannabinoids and their pharmacological properties have been extensively studied. Recently, biosynthetic pathways of these cannabinoids have been successfully established. Several biosynthetic enzymes including geranylpyrophosphate:olivetolate geranyltransferase, tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) synthase, cannabidiolic acid (CBDA) synthase and cannabichromenic acid (CBCA) synthase have been purified from young rapidly expanding leaves of C. sativa. In addition, molecular cloning, characterization and localization of THCA synthase have been recently reported. THCA and cannabigerolic acid (CBGA), its substrate, were shown to be apoptosis-inducing agents that might play a role in plant defense. Transgenic tobacco hairy roots expressing THCA synthase can produce THCA upon feeding of CBGA. These results open the way for biotechnological production of cannabinoids in the future.

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If you want to learn more, just look up rimonabant, a cannabinoid antagonist that sort of does the "opposite" of what pot does, and was touted as a miracle drug for weight loss, dysmetabolic syndrome, etc. etc., until the depression/suicide reports began to come out. I think it's still available in Europe, but development is pretty much halted in the U.S.

Thanks everyone, BTW, for this really informative discussion!

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pwg2008
Posted by: poppaphil2007 on May 16, 2008 4:27 PM   
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The question is no longer whether marijuana can be medically valuable. Among medical professionals, that assertion was accepted sometime during the Reagan administration. The problem is that our criminal justice systen and our anti-drug zealots have been systematically demonizing pot since the '60's, with substantial success. In the '60's and '70's you were cool, contrarian if you smoked pot. The government has succeeded at least in changing public perception of pot-smoking, so that the unwashed masses now lump marijuana use with that of other, more dangerous drugs.

If and when our civic leaders get serious about reversing themselves on pot--and we're talking about a very unlikely scenario--the ripple effect would be potentially enormous. Just imagine a country in which not a single person was arrested for pot possession or use. Jail admissions would drop, courts would clear their dockets, jail cell would remain empty. People all over the country would lose their job. Even down to the school "resource officer" level, the entire criminal justice system would be devastated by the legalization of marijuana.

That's really bad. But is is a good enough reason to retain the status quo? I say it is time for a new national discussion on marijuana. Why not put the question to a national referendum, as they might in other, smaller democracies?

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» RE: pwg2008 Posted by: Lauren
I always found it interesting
Posted by: CollD on May 17, 2008 10:59 AM   
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I always found it interesting that people are quick to demonize pot smokers. They are lazy, wastes of life, etc etc. Many people who smoke pot hold professional jobs.

Before people demonize marijuana, they should look at the bigger problem: Alcohol.

HIgh schoolers binge drink and get behind the wheel and kill classmates. People die all the time in drunk driving incidents, alcoholism destroys more familys than any other drug I can think of. Yet our society chooses to single at Marijuana as a terrible thing.

Go to any bar on a saturday night and observe all the idiots there. Drunk, stumbling around. How many date rapes have occurred through alcohol consumption? Yet will still malign the pot smoker.

Some pot smokers are lazy. however many are bright people with professional jobs. Some people only drink socially, but i see a heck of a lot more problems in alcohol consumption that doesn't even come close to smoking weed.

Go ahead, everyone, make fun of the pot smokers. I'll be seeing you at the bar this weekend stumbling around like the idiot you are. thats legal though, right?

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xtiml
Posted by: xtiml on May 19, 2008 2:12 AM   
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she missed the point and so do many , the point is the model a could and was made to run with hemp oil, paper and oil, in abundance was made from hemp also a cloth, but hearst and dupont who invested heavily (hearst0 in forest needed to not lose to renewable hemp so the demonized its mind effects attributes, diverting the issue completley, and as usual amelikans go exactly or permit themselves to be directed to where ever desired with out even knowing,The whole idea of outlawing a plant god put here is blasphemy, besides the fact government has no right regulating such behaviour in the first place.get it government hads no right to regulate personal behaviour that doesnt affect others .as to its mind altering attributes,, it is a intro to higher psychedelics albeit soem of it is very potent but it will only take so far thebn you must use the others, and then you need a calmer downer and opium does the trick, then a waker upper and cocaine is a god send, then you need a . and a and a

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Power and Control.
Posted by: Paxmana1 on May 19, 2008 10:24 PM   
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The massed glass bead abacus's were the cadence that underlay the rhythmic chant ..

There is no scientific evidence .. praise the lord there is no scientific evidence .. there is no scientific evidence ..

This repetitious hypnotic heavenly medical choir is the masking of the screaming and dying.

The extra pharmacopoeias and dispensatories of this western style medicine contain monographs of many thousands of these man made time bombs that they call drugs .. the majority of which are attended by some horrific side effects.

These legal drug pushers aka Doctors then prescribe further drugs to counter the side effects of the original toxin .. a fix to fix the fix of the last fix that went wrong. No wonder these legal drug pushers are frightened of being sued .. why should these type of people be exempt from the harm they cause? what ever happened to the Hippocratic oath? First do no harm?

They need to be stripped of their hubris .. tarred, feathered and thrown in the nearest village duck pond.

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» RE: Power and Control. Posted by: Lauren
Latest issue of the research journal "Neuroendocrinology" is all about endocannabinoids...
Posted by: fanny666 on May 20, 2008 11:23 AM   
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...and publication was supported by an unconditional educational grant from the pharmaceutical company Sanofi-Aventis.

But wait- pharmaceutical companies are evil and so are scientists!

Endocannabinoids: Here, there, and everywhere

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Teddy Kennedy's Cannabis Brain Tumor Cure
Posted by: DdC on May 20, 2008 2:45 PM   
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Teddy Kennedy's Cannabis Brain Tumor Cure

Teddy Kennedy and The Ultimate Tragedy of Liberalism.
His Brain Tumor Is of the Type That Cannabis Might Cure.
Suppressed Research May Claim Another Drug War Victim.

Posted by Richard Cowan on 2008-05-20 16:20:00

As it happens, there have been several studies showing that glioma cells can be killed by cannabinoids.Incredibly, at least one of these studies was suppressed by the US government

Had the medical potential of cannabis not been suppressed to satisfy the needs of the Drug War’s prohibitionist propaganda, scientists might have developed ways of using cannabinoids to treat this type of cancer that would be far more effective than the treatment that he is going to have to endure.
continued... MN/1025

Proven : Cannabis is Safe Medicine by Ian Williams Goddard

U.S. GOVT. COVERS UP MARIJUANA CANCER CURE!
Last year, Spanish scientists found evidence that marijuana can (destroy) tumors in rats. But that came as (no surprise) to US. health (officials), (who quickly (deep sixed) the report). (Drug-war-obsessed federal officials) (have known) about the (cancer-beating) properties of (pot) for (more than 25 years) and have kept it a (secret) from (the public)!

Cannabis Shrinks Tumors: Government Knew in 74

Witch hunts and the war on weed 20 Jun, 2002
The persecution of "witches" was really a war on sacred plants that continues today.

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Therapies, and the Therpeutic Therapist Who Therapise Them
Posted by: Stoney 12+1 on May 21, 2008 3:49 PM   
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Let's say I go to a therapist for...I don't know... say...depression! He takes one look at me, and writes me one of those $4.00 prescription, that Walmart is always crowing about, (for the really GOOD shit)!

The therapist in question will be required to seek the services of another therapist, since the therapy provided to me, will bring up many disturbing issues which will now require therapy!

That therapist will have to go to another therapist, who will require the services of another therapist, who will probably require inpatient therapy to deal with the issues brought up by the therapist who povided me therapy.

Of course this will lead to a medical paper being published! One filled with vague procedures, (and conclusions that Evel Kenevil couldn't jump to!), based on studies done for, and funded by the corporation that manufactures the really GOOD shit! Extolling the virtues of the really GOOD shit, and filled with marketing demographics (that have no place in a medical paper)!

So mind-numbingly complicated will this treatis be, that anybody reading it will now require a therapist!

The therapist, who provided therapy to the therapist, who read the medical paper outlining the therapy, that the therapist for the therapist, who treated the therapist who treated me will all go scampering off to Walmarts with disturbingly glassy eyes, with prescriptions in hand! (Except for the inpatient, who will be paying the customary $49.95 per aspirin tablet!)

Clutching their $4.00 prescriptions, and making soft mewing noises, they descend upon the pharmacy counters to trade their prescriptions for happy brown bottles containing their thirty day supplies! (Of the really GOOD shit!)

After medicating themselves they will find that one of the many side-effects, (of the really GOOD shit), is an insatiable hunger for greasy food, and cheap shit! Along with an unquenchable thirst for carbonated beverages that a chemist can't explain the contents of, (which is the REAL reason for those $4.00 prescriptions at Walmart!)

The results will be half the medical profession wandering around Walmart, zonked out of their gourds, (on the really GOOD shit), filling their carts with deep fried entrails, over-priced, and over-hyped Chinese shit, bottles and bags of dangerous chemical concoctions in cheerful packaging, and something from the deli!

Dutifully they will proceed to the check-out, where underpaid, under insured employees will sack up their booty, and put it all on credit cards that their grandchildren will never live to pay off!

This will result in Sam Wal rising from the grave, growing an extra head or six, and doing all manners of hairy Old Testament shit, (that a very vocal demographic seems to think is just great!), to whoever happens to be around at the time!

This will lead to the implosion of the banking system, the end of Western Civilization, and the heartbreak of psoriasis! OR!!

...I could just go out to the woods, light up a joint, and get over it like I've been doing for the last fifty years!

THAT'S why medical marijuana is a really GOOD idea!

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