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Hillary Is McCain's Dream Candidate, Not Obama's

By Guy T. Saperstein, AlterNet. Posted May 10, 2008.


Before the talk of a Obama/Hillary "dream ticket" goes too far, are we talking about the the Republicans' dream, or everyone else's?

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Now that it is apparent to all, except perhaps Hillary Clinton and some of her die-hard supporters, that Barack Obama will be the Democratic presidential nominee, the drumbeat for a "dream" ticket [Obama/Clinton] is starting. But before this goes too far, we need to ask, whose "dream" are we talking about? Our Republican opponents' dream or ours?

John McCain is in deep trouble, and not just because of the legacy of George Bush. He is in trouble with much of the Republican base, particularly the Religious Right, who never have trusted him. It is no accident that turnout in nearly all Republican primaries has been low, that McCain's fundraising has been dismal and that in the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, nearly 25 percent of Republican voters voted against him, despite the fact that he clearly will be the Republican nominee.

While McCain was the strongest in a weak field of Republican candidates, his candidacy clearly is not galvanizing conservatives. There is only one candidate who can do that: Hillary Clinton. To the conservative base of the Republican Party, she is the Democratic demon and the candidate the Republicans' want to face. She is Rush Limbaugh's candidate of choice. She is the candidate who the Right would use to raise money and turn out volunteers. She is the only potential Democratic VP who would build Republican enthusiasm and inspire the grassroots Republican campaign.

She also is the candidate who consistently measures the highest "unfavorable" ratings of anyone who ever has run for the presidency. In an ABC News poll, Clinton polls 54 percent unfavorable; perhaps even worse, 58 percent of voters say she is not honest and trustworthy. Both Clintons stand out for the amount of voter antipathy they attract: Thirty-nine percent of voters have a "strongly unfavorable" opinion of Hillary Clinton; only 22 percent have a "strongly favorable" view. Thirty-four percent are strongly negative on Bill Clinton and 51 percent have an "unfavorable" opinion of him. And Hillary's low-road campaign has had an impact: Forty-one percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters describe the tone of the Democratic campaign as "mostly negative," and by nearly a 4 to 1 margin, 52 percent to 14 percent, blame Clinton. Is taking baggage like this into the general election anyone's "dream" but a Republican's?

Worse than Hillary's high unfavorables, an Obama-Clinton ticket would create a continuing crossfire -- not between McCain and Obama, but between Obama and Clinton. Every one of Clinton's interactions with the media would feature questions like, "Do you still think Barack Obama lacks experience to be commander-in-chief?" "Do you still think Obama is an elitist?" "That he doesn't understand the problems of the white working class?" "Do you still think his past association with Reverend Wright is very troublesome?" Obama would be asked, "During the primary campaign, your VP said your healthcare plan sucked. Was she right? Does it suck?" "Do you want to obliterate Iran, too, like your vice president?" And, when the press wasn't asking these questions, John McCain would ask them. Or, maybe we all could be reminded of Bill's talk of a Clinton versus McCain contest, where we would have a campaign of "two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country," unlike Obama. Even worse than this scenario, Barack Obama would be cast in the position of having to defend his own VP's past attacks on himself. By doing so, he would not simply look like a hypocrite, he would, in fact, be a hypocrite -- thus putting into jeopardy his coin of the realm, his honesty and integrity. The general campaign wouldn't be about Obama versus McCain, it would be Act Two of a very bad marriage, with Obama sacrificing his integrity trying to explain away his own VP's past attacks on him. If you think her snarky, negative primary campaign was a thing of the past, think again because the Republicans and the press would offer us deja vu all over again. Lost in this dialogue of the past would be Obama's opportunity to explain how he wants to take America into a more productive future.

Those who "dream" of an Obama-Clinton ticket also fail to recognize something significant: Hillary has been a lousy candidate. I used to think that Al Gore and John Kerry ran the worst campaigns for president ever, but Hillary's ineptitude set new records. Five months ago, Hillary had a 20-plus point lead in Democratic polling, the greatest name recognition of any candidate, the most money, support from a popular former Democratic president who was actively campaigning for her, nostalgia for the Clinton era of "peace and prosperity," a ton of endorsements, the aura of "inevitability" -- and she squandered it all with an inexorable series of misjudgments, abetted by her husband's, her campaign's and her own unrelenting arrogance. By contrast, Obama ran down and exposed the dinosaur for what it was, not simply with a brilliantly executed campaign, but with a core understanding that voters were tired of the type of old-style politics and old-style campaigning Bill and Hillary so ably represent. Why should he now forge an alliance with one of the most ineffective old-style campaigns ever, not to mention take on the Big Dog [Bill] as his new pal -- in this case, an uncontrollable pal who would try to run not only Hillary's campaign, but Obama's, as well? This is my definition of a Living and Breathing Nightmare -- one with plenty of 3 a.m. calls from Bill! Even worse than sharing a campaign with Bill and Hill, allying with the Clintons would undermine the very essence of the Obama message -- that real change is needed in Washington. It would be seen as completely inauthentic, the worst type of marriage of convenience. And unlike the shotgun marriage JFK made with LBJ, Hillary brings nothing to the table; unlike LBJ, she can't bring a swing state into the Democratic column. Obama could win New York with Daffy Duck as his VP.


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Daffy Duck?
Posted by: ankhet on May 10, 2008 12:28 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Another Black candidate? Maybe he ought to pick a White as a running mate just for balance - like Donald Duck. Either way, he's preferable to the Hillary.

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» lol, no! not FAUX! NEVER! Posted by: foreverhope
Some Disagreements
Posted by: progdem on May 10, 2008 12:49 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Clinton has higher unfavorable ratings. But as the author points out she also came in with higher name recognition. While it shouldn't, the Wright stuff, the 'bitter' comments and the fact that he is black is going to lead lots of republicans to get very angry about Obama. He might still have an advantage, even after all that, but there is no reason to think it will be significant.

As for the list of VP choices, most of them are quite bad. Given Clark's support for the Iraq war, what makes him less hawkish than Clinton? The idea of pairing Obama with a general is nice, but maybe not one who is a preening media darling. Webb is a very conservative democrat who has been a major dissapointment in the Senate. Richardson, in my eyes at least, showed himself to be a bumbling idiot with no command of the issues during his little run for the presidency. He is, in addition, also from the conservative wing of the party. Obama's policy proposals are centrist enough. Putting someone even more conservative on the ticket with him strikes me as a way to get a republican-lite presidency.

The reason to prefer Obama is that he is clearly a better organizer and campaigner. With this no informed person can argue. For anti-war, clean elections, social democracy types like me he is going to be a dissapointment as president, but he is going to drown McCain in volunteers and money. Clinton has shown almost no ability to do anything but race bait and get money from big corporate donors.

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» RE: Some Disagreements Posted by: Blink
» TexFemDem Posted by: nomomorons
» RE: Some Disagreements Posted by: no1kstate
» TexFemDem Posted by: nomomorons
» You go, TexFemDem! Posted by: westomoon
» RE: TexFemDem Posted by: progdem
Whites Only
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 10, 2008 1:09 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Dems are taking a decided roll of the dice by nominating an African American to be their standard bearer, given this country's unfortunate history with respect to race. It should be noted that Senator Clinton's nomination would not have been a roll of the dice. That would have been sheer insanity.

For safety's sake, Senator Obama's running mate should be a white, male Christian. This is a ticket that is going to have to be very carefully balanced for obvious reasons. Some Americans will be freaked out enough at the prospect of a black candidate, let's not make it any more difficult for the poor darlin's. Not only that but the whiter the better - someone like Jim Webb! You can't get any whiter than that guy!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Hillary Huckabee

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» How about Casper the Friendly Ghost? Posted by: DuChamp Fitz
» RE: Whites Only Posted by: desidid
» RE: Whites Only Posted by: bittershaman
Clinton is Unelectable Because of Hyper Religious & Real Dems & Real Repubs
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 10, 2008 4:03 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Granted the Right wingers wnat another mentally deficit in the Oval Office- Tehywill be able to get things past him Too. but I am baffled why they proclaim their hatred of Hillary- she appears to be in lock step with their Corp sponsors futher aspirations, not to mention the 'Armegeddon' fanatics doctrine. Frankly I think this is an attempt by such blow hard idiots as Rush to use an elementry form of 'Reverse Psychology'- Beat up on clinton so the Dems will run to her defense by blindly voting for her. Hasn't Worked. I have No doubt Old Scholl Republicans are truly against her becasue she certianly will not reduce the size & scope of Gov't and their Multinationals conglomerates (Killers of the Free market).Rush is still using the 'Faithful' as a tool in his Double speak stratedgy.
But who Hillary really has the inablitiy to reacpture are those of US Ol' Dems who were anxiously hoping for her to run and watching her progression while in the Senate. WE begin to see the Chinks in her 'armour' not just the ill fated Iraq vote - which caused OUR jaws to drop- but every other vote, Thought and Word that has come out of her mouth since.
So if Old School Republicans, Religious 'fanatics 'and Old School Dems find her Frightening I would say she is highly Unelectable.As a 26 yr loyal voting Dem- I will leave the Party if they hand this Neo Con covert operative the nomination, and I will Never vote for another Dem for anything again- It will be proof the Neo Cons Blue arm the DLC has Seized the Party.'Obliterate Iran' with nukes to protect & defend Isreal, Saudi's & the UAE (w didn't bother to even add US to her list) was s DEAD give away, the final nail in her fake'Democrat' coffin. I shudder at the thought of her running this country- she is Cheney & Co's girl, certianly NOT OURS! Seh is th ereason for the lastest misnomer/oxymoron term 'Reagan Democrat' no such beast ever lived. More appropriately they could be considered disenfranchised Republicans who escaped into th eDem party after the '80's hostile take over by the 'Moral Majority' zealots and extremeists. But actually they are most likely undercover Neo Cons, Real Dems Hated the Reagan Adminsitration as Much as We Do Bush Admin (the 6&7 Cheney Regime Terms in the WH- Nixon, Ford, Ronny,HW & W)

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» Let's not get too pedantic. Posted by: Prairie Waif
Media, media, media
Posted by: johnp on May 10, 2008 4:13 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
You couldn't be more wrong than you are. The author can't be serious, so he must be, for his own reasons, pulling your leg. Obama is far and away, the candidate media and the republicans wanted, that's why you're getting him. That logic is too simply for you eh! Try this. Why did Hillary maintain an insurmountable lead for 10 months? Name recognition? Nonsense. By the end of a 10 month period, Biden, Richardson, etc. were resigning. It was obvious, that name recognition wasn't Hillary's forte. It was something a lot stronger. People like and trusted her. That's why she had such a huge and seemingly insurmountable lead, not the misleading nonsense fed to you by the author of our essay. 10 months, were more than enough time to make oneself known to the electorate, and to make ones's views and agenda well known. Everyone quit; everyone, that is, except Obama, whose numbers were also hopelessly in the toilet.

We're being lied to, by everyone in media, including the deceptively "leftwing" authors delivered to us by AlterNet. Read on, if you dare:
______________________________________Here are two very perceptive articles about the Republican push to
diminish Clinton's victories and to push the Democrats into
nominating Obama.

http://creativeyouth.net/yellowjournalism.html

NEWS BULLETIN FOR THE NEWS INDUSTRY: CLINTON WON INDIANA,
OBAMA HAD A DISAPPOINTING FINISH
SPECIAL REPORT ON MEDIA YELLOW JOURNALISM BY THE CREATIVE YOUTH NEWS
TEAM

May 8, 2008

The TV news media is continuing to spin Hillary Clinton's victory in
Indiana as a loss. Two weeks prior to her victory, polls showed
Barack Obama easily winning Indiana, the state in the backyard of his
home state. The turnaround from Obama to Clinton was evidence that
Clinton has momentum in this race and that Obama's support is weak.

Clinton's win was in spite of the disenfranchisements of significant
numbers within Indiana demographics that supported Clinton. Elderly
citizens, whom polls showed supporting Clinton by a wide margin, were
not allowed to vote if they had surrendered their driver's licenses.
Memo to seniors: keep driving so you can vote. Missouri is working
to amend its constitution to exclude you.

The mass media news bias towards Obama is not subtle. It is extreme
and obvious. Research has shown that the TV news networks are owned
by a small number of Republican corporations. This means the
Republican corporations are using millions, possibly billions, of
dollars worth of airtime to promote Obama. Why?

Copyright ©2008 by the Creative Youth News Team. All rights reserved.
http://creativeyouth.net/gopwantsobama.html

The Jig Is Up: Republican Corporatists Want Obama as the Democratic
Nominee
Special Election Coverage and Analysis by the Creative Youth News Team

May 7, 2008
Hillary Clinton's sizable victory in Pennsylvania established her
firmly as the contender who has the support of the majority of people
in the states Democrats have the best chance of winning in November,
2008. The television news media, largely owned by Republican mega-
corporations, appeared to have difficulty trying to spin against
Clinton's win in Pennsylvania on election night.

The news media handed Clinton a challenge. At the time of the
Pennsylvania primary, polls showed that Barack Obama easily would win
both Indiana and North Carolina. TV reporters said that wins for
Obama in both Indiana and North Carolina would be obstacles for
Clinton and that a win in one of those two states would be important
in establishing her as the electable candidate.

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» RE: Media, media, media Posted by: desidid
» Well, on this planet... Posted by: hurricane hugo
Hillary cont'd
Posted by: johnp on May 10, 2008 4:19 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
She pulled off that
win in Indiana, last night.

Indiana is not just any state. It is next to Obama's home state of
Illinois. Indiana residents listen to Chicago news. This was close
to a desertion of a favorite son. Aside from having to overtake
Obama's clear lead in the Indiana polls of two weeks ago, Clinton
supporters had another challenge. Voters had to have state-issued ID
cards . A major group of Clinton voters, the elderly, many of whom
had stopped driving and relinquished their licenses, were the hardest
hist group of registered voters disenfranchised by this requirement.
When Clinton's victory is viewed in terms of how many more registered
voters would have voted for her had they been allowed to do so, her
victory takes on a greater magnitude.

Obama's victory, last night, was limited to North Carolina, where
there are not enough Democrats to take the state from McCain in
November.

Members of the Creative Youth News Team watched as Republican news
station after Republican news station tried hard to spin Clinton's
victory. As the Republican-paid news spokespersons bent over
backwards to try to turn Clinton's victory into a loss, it became
apparent that the goal was other than a presentation of the facts.
The news media was presenting pure spin instead of news. Why didn't
the reporters simply report that Clinton had turned around a state
that two weeks before had been an Obama state? Why did reporters
suggest, after such an impressive turnaround for Clinton, that
Clinton was on her way out? If residents of Florida and Michigan are
re-enfranchised by the Democratic National Committee, Clinton will be
rolling towards the nomination. Both Obama and Clinton will have to
get the support of so-called super-delegates. A 50 state solution
means that the deck is close to even. However, the news media spin
is aimed at trying to get Clinton to drop out just as she may be
nearing victory.

If the super-delegates look at the electoral breakdown, they would
have a difficult time backing Obama. As mathematically reported in
an earlier article, the electoral breakdown establishes Clinton as
the likely winner over McCain and McCain as the likely over Obama.
Read "IN ELECTORAL VOTES, CLINTON BEATS McCAIN AND IS WAY AHEAD OF
OBAMA; OBAMA LIKELY TO LOSE ELECTORAL VOTE TO McCAIN" at
http://creativeyouth.net/electoralcollege2008.html for more details.

What possible purpose could the Republican news media have for trying
to get Clinton to drop out of the race and to hand Obama the
nomination? Would the Republican corporations want a President who
would act against their interests? If you consider that Republican
corporate heads are too smart to help a candidate who will act
against their interests, there remain two possibilities?

The first possibility is that the Republican News Media believe Obama
will help Republican corporations at the expense of the people. If
you read today's Black Agenda Report at
http://blackagendareport.com , you will discover that the most
educated among the Black commentators seem to believe Obama stands
with the Republican corporations against the people.

The second possibility is that the Republican News Media is holding
back stories that will be used to crush Obama in October and
November. This will result in the election of John McCain.

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» RE: Hillary cont'd Posted by: shanaza
» RE: Hillary cont'd Posted by: Agi
» You're crying over spilled milk Posted by: DreamFast
» RE: Hillary cont'd Posted by: Fishbone Soldier
» Hillary also is losing because Posted by: WhuThe?!?
Hillary concluded
Posted by: johnp on May 10, 2008 4:22 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The
October story is expected revolve around indicted influence-peddler
Tony Rezko, a top fundraiser for Obama. Rezko's wife provided Obama
with part of the property upon which Obama's house sits. The money
for this investment appears to be from another Obama friend Nadhmi
Auchi, who was part of several economic ventures with Saddam
Hussein. The media is believed to be planning to focus on the Saddam
Hussein-Barack Obama financial connection as a major story in October
or November. The objection to McCain is that he has voted with Bush
for war and torture. For Obama to win, the American people may have
to find themselves preferring a Saddam Hussein connection to a Bush
connection. Democratic voters who get their news from the TV because
they are too poor for the Internet are unlikely to pick Saddam
Hussein over Bush in November.

A side effect of the second possibility is a KKK dream-come true. If
Obama is crushed because of associations with terrorists and
criminals, the loss would be spun as the loss of a Black candidate.
The loss would be used to prevent future Blacks from being
nominated. In the event of a sinking Obama campaign, many who dream
of a Black President would likely stick with Obama instead of
switching to a more electable Cynthia McKinney, the liberal African-
American Congresswoman who filed Articles of Impeachment against
Bush, Cheney and Rice. The fear of many informed Democrats is that
the Obama supporters will dwindle but largely sink with the ship and
thereby cost America its chances for an African-American or female
President in favor of a white male from the Bush camp.

The probability is that, if super delegates pick Obama, they will
cost their party the Presidency. If they pick Clinton, they will
likely win the Presidency. Most disgruntled Obama voters are expect
to go independent or to stay home. Many of them would vote for
McKinney but not for McCain. The conservative part of the Clinton
vote might go to McCain if she loses the nomination. Though
Clinton's voting record is to the left of Obama's, Clinton is
perceived as more conservative and has attracted more Democratic
conservatives to her. Members of the Creative Youth News Team
personally know at least three Orange County Clinton pledged
delegates who have a history of voting for Republicans over Democrats
and who might vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.

The Republican corporations appear determined to continue steering
the nomination towards Obama. The CY News Team will be watching and
reporting on the spin.

Copyright ©2008 by the Creative Youth News Team. All rights reserved.

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» RE: Hillary concluded Posted by: DreamFast
» Dittohead rhetoric Posted by: westomoon
» RE: Hillary concluded Posted by: bystander
» It's Dittohead journalism Posted by: westomoon
gemajabe
Posted by: gemajabe on May 10, 2008 4:30 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
If Hillary Clinton does not get the nomination as it appears more likely, it will no longer be possible to hate her for running. What will the misoganists do? Of course, hate her for even the possiblilty that she might get the vice presidential spot. Justice aside-why do we always get two men to choose from when 51% of the population is female?-She has many supporters, including me, who believe both Clinton and Obama are viable Democrats. Both have behaved like typical politicians to make their case. He is not the new Messiah. There are few differences between them except that her health plan is better, she is more experienced and she has different sex organs. It is time, way overtime, for a woman to break through the Executive Branch cement ceiling. The sexism and male priviledge that has prevented this for 230 years is abhorrent. This nomination has been stolen from her,in part, because of the sexist bias of both the left and the mainstream press. If she was on the ticket, it would bring in a wealth of women voters who now feel disenfranchised by the refusal of both parties to run women.

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» RE: gemajabe Posted by: Fishbone Soldier
» RE: gemajabe Posted by: Marlena
» RE: gemajabe Posted by: Fishbone Soldier
» How is she "more experienced"? Posted by: westomoon
» RE: gemajabe Posted by: jareilly
» Read Barbara Ehrenreich Posted by: funnyguy
Yes, it absolutely would be a living breathing nightmare
Posted by: foreverhope on May 10, 2008 5:24 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"This is my definition of a Living and Breathing Nightmare -- one with plenty of 3 a.m. calls from Bill! Even worse than sharing a campaign with Bill and Hill, allying with the Clintons would undermine the very essence of the Obama message -- that real change is needed in Washington. It would be seen as completely inauthentic, the worst type of marriage of convenience. And unlike the shotgun marriage JFK made with LBJ, Hillary brings nothing to the table; unlike LBJ, she can't bring a swing state into the Democratic column. Obama could win New York with Daffy Duck as his VP."

Hellary and Bill Clinton have TOO much baggage, WAY TOO MUCH. Barack does not need her to win in November, in fact it would only drag him down. She in no way represents change for one thing. Her swing state theory is deeply flawed. History shows voting patterns change, the Clinton campaign is using the old road map.

In February I would have supported an Obama/Clinton ticket, not anymore. Hillary and Bill Clinton should be drummed out of the dem party for their repug-like campaigning tactics. They are disgraceful, I never want to vote for a Clinton ever again. IMO they have proven they are not good enough to clean Barack's shoes.

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» and what about the money? Posted by: foreverhope
» Which Hellary? Posted by: foreverhope
» Too much fun Posted by: westomoon
» Such a deal Posted by: westomoon
Like a jilted lover
Posted by: Blink on May 10, 2008 5:41 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Clintons, over whom the media and progressives fawned for 8+ years, must be feeling like jilted lovers. The media was in the tank for Hillary, and then along came the Messiah. The media couldn't turn on the Clintons fast enough. Must be infuriating. Now, if we can just get the Golden One to get clear on the fact that there are 50 states...

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» RE: Like a jilted lover Posted by: mahabhusuku
» RE: Like a jilted lover Posted by: writer7
» Good point Posted by: Blink
» the latest falderall Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: the latest falderall Posted by: Blink
» Oh! I see! even sillier falderall! Posted by: foreverhope
» Just like progressives Posted by: Blink
» just like a repug troll.... Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: If I'm wrong, then explain Posted by: no1kstate
» RE: If I'm wrong, then explain Posted by: no1kstate
» RE: If I'm wrong, then explain Posted by: no1kstate
» RE: the latest falderall Posted by: bluepilgrim
» Best screen name ever! Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Wasn't it the Clinton campaign Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Really great non sequitur Posted by: Blink
Say No to McCaskill
Posted by: k_pr on May 10, 2008 6:21 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Being a Missouri resident, I have to disagree with the suggestion of Sen. McCaskill. For progressives, her voting record is shaky. She has voted to continue funding of the Iraq war and to extend immunity to telecoms in the FISA bill. Twice.

If she were from any state other than Missouri, she would be a pro-choice Republican. We in Missouri just happen to be pretty backwards.

In addition she narrowly won here and could not deliver any part of the state that Obama could not already achieve, namely, KC and STL. If the goal is to reach those rural voters, McCaskill won't be able to do it. We are just that conservative in this state.

She lost the governor's race here in 2004 to a pretty inept Matt Blunt again because she could not win in the rural areas and because she ticked off some in the party (especially in STL) by running against and defeating incumbent Gov. Bob Holden. To her benefit, those wounds were healed by the time she challenged the ultra-conservative Jim Talent.

Just say no to McCaskill.

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"Nightmare" ticket
Posted by: PJAW on May 10, 2008 6:41 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hillary is NOT the woman I would want as the first woman president. And for the same reasons, I wouldn't want her to be vice president. She's dishonest, and far too self-serving for me to support her. I have no confidence whatsoever that she gives a damn about me or the millions of other Americans who are struggling to survive the Bush presidency and move on to rebuild America.

As for her making the Democratic ticket stronger..., that won't happen. Obama is the last best hope still standing, we need for him to win in November against McCain.

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» But Obama is honest? NOT! Posted by: Zenobia
Operation Chaos-- gone nowhere!!!
Posted by: xvictor on May 10, 2008 7:02 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Rush Limbo had a scam going for ditto head repugnicans to vote for Hillary in the primaries in the illusion of helping to divide the Dem camp and eventually help elect a Repug into the White House. They do this because they are TERRIFIED of Obama!! Not only did the Rev. Wright issue came and went, Obama has grown more popular and Hillary more distant despite Rush's Operation Chaos' perceived success in coaxing Repugs to vote for Hillary.

Rightwing radio pundits, when not dissing McCain because of his perceived "liberalism", had praised him for his debating skills. That is so much pie in the sky horseshit. During the Repug debates, McCain sounded like he had huge marbles stuffed in his mouth after Dr. Ron Paul asked him intelligent questions regarding U.S. finance and economics.

Yeah, some debating skills.

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Voting Blocks
Posted by: Southern Gal on May 10, 2008 7:06 AM   
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Hillary has the blue collar working class, the older voters, Catholics, many white women and Hispanics. She has the voters that Obama has been challenged to capture. With an Obama/Clinton ticket the majority of the voters would be covered for the Democrats. She's lacking the evangelical, neo Con wingnuts, but they are solidly Republican anyway. She's also a fighter and has weathered the Republican right for years. She can take the hits while Obama takes the high road.

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another Missouri Female Voter
Posted by: SackofWoe0 on May 10, 2008 7:34 AM   
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You are so right about Claire, I will never vote for her again. She is a real disappointment in her votes for legislation that cause injury to all Americans, such as her vote for the funding of the continuation of the war. And her support for Obama was clearly a political one, not because he is the better candidate, because she will need the Black vote when and if she runs again. Shame on you Claire.

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Mr. And Mrs. Clinton
Posted by: bc430 on May 10, 2008 7:43 AM   
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Good night and Good luck.

Good bye.

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PA, TX, OH, IN and Hillary
Posted by: djnoll on May 10, 2008 7:49 AM   
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Has anyone ever taken the time to look at the registration of Republicans as Democrats in Operation Chaos as a factor in Hillary's so-called wins in these states? These are people who will vote for McCain come November, and I would bet if you factor out their votes, you will find that Hillary either did not win among Democrats or it was a very slim margin at best. I would also wager that Obama carried Indiana if this were done as well as possibly Ohio and the Texas primaries, not just the caucuses.

Hillary would no more be an asset in the general election than the man in the moon! This woman has alienated so many Democrats, which I think is her ultimate strategy to split the party and give herself another shot in 2012, that she would not only lose if she ran as the candidate, but would bring down any ticket as a VP candidate. Obama would be looking over his back at every turn to make sure she and her husband were not sabotaging the campaign, or planning his assassination once elected. Their ability to undermine any policy changes he might want to institute is enormous, and they would do everything they could to make him a one-term president so she could run in 2012.

If the Democratic party is smart they will give this witch and her lapdog the boot and never consider anything with any power for her in the future. She will never even be a Ted Kennedy in the Senate, and my guess will be that she will find herself unemployed in 4 years.

Now if she would only fold up her tents and leave the scene so that the party can move forward and unite behind Obama against McCain, put forth policy statements that can be openly debated because they are supported by one, united party, then maybe we can actually see a new future, not a disaster heading our way.

NO TO HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT AND NO TO HILLARY AS VICE PRESIDENT! WE THE PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER!

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it's too late,
Posted by: dsmidiman on May 10, 2008 7:53 AM   
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This country is bought and paid for and the entities (Religious right, big corporate America) that own it are far to entrenched in the system for any substantial change to occur at this point. Anyone whether democrat republican or independent that would offer real change for all the people of this country hasn't got a chance!! Everything we see and hear in the media is designed, by the people "driving the bus" to influence our way of thinking in order to gain support from we the people so that we will accept their way of thinking.

This would not be such a bad thing if thier way of thinking was for the common good of all the people of this nation. But sadly it is not, it is all about making more money so that they can "control" even more so how we live. We are simply pawns of the game to them, slaves to thier obessions with greed, power and control.

We do not live in a democracy in this country anymore. The very reason this country was established in the beginning "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness" for ALL, free from the restraints and control of any one paticular group organization or entity is untouchable at this point. The founding fathers of this nation have to be rolling over in thier graves when they see what thier hard work and sacrafice has created in the end.

Our world is rapidly changing and unless you are one of the people "driving the bus" life is going to pretty much slavery to those who are. Many who think they are part of the "drivers" are realizing that they are not. As time goes on more will see this and understand what is truely happeneing. Because greed power and control knows no boundries and is an insatiable ideology. It's like playing a game, sooner or later all the players are gone and the winn