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The Pentagon vs. the U.S.: How Americans Have Become Targets of Their Own Military

By Scott Ritter, Truthdig. Posted May 7, 2008.


America is a country at war with itself.

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I recently heard from an anti-war student I met while I was speaking at a college in northern Vermont. The e-mail included the following query:

"I told you about how I wanted to build a career around social activism and making a difference. You told me that one of the most important things was to make myself reputable and give people a reason to listen to you. I think this is some of the best advice I've received. My issue however is that you mentioned joining the military as a way to do this and mentioned how that is how you fell into it. ... We talked extensively about all of our criticisms of the military currently and our foreign policy. ... What I don't understand is, how can you [advise] someone who wants to make a difference with the flawed system, to join that flawed system?"

The question is a valid one. Throughout my travels in the United States, where I interact with people from progressive anti-war groups, I am often confronted with the seeming contradiction of my position. I rail against the war in Iraq (and the potential of war with Iran) and yet embrace, at times enthusiastically, the notion of military service. It gets even more difficult to absorb, at least on the surface, when I simultaneously advocate counter-recruitment as well as support for those who seek to join the armed services.

The notion that the military and citizens of conscience should be at odds is a critical problem for our nation. That confrontation only exacerbates the problems of the soldier and the citizen, and must be properly understood if it is to be defeated. Let us start by constructing a framework in which my positions can be better assessed.

First and foremost, I do not view military service as an obligation of citizenship. I do view military service as an act of good citizenship, but it can under no circumstance be used as a litmus test for patriotism. There are many ways in which one can serve his or her nation; the military is but one. I am a big believer in the all-volunteer military. For one thing, the professional fighting force is far more effective and efficient than any conscript force could ever be.

There are those who argue that a draft would level the playing field, spreading the burdens and responsibilities associated with a standing military force more evenly among the population. Those citizens whose lives would be impacted through war (namely those of draft age and their immediate relatives) would presumably be less inclined to support war.

Conversely, the argument goes, with an all-volunteer professional force, the burden of sacrifice is limited to that segment of society which is engaged in the fighting, real or potential. Two points emerge: First, the majority of society not immediately impacted by the sacrifices of conflict will remain distant from the reality of war. Second, even when the costs of conflict become discernable to the withdrawn population, the fact that the sacrifice is being absorbed by those who willingly volunteered somehow lessens any moral outcry.

I will submit that these are valid observations, and indeed have been borne out in America's response to the Iraq war tragedy. However, simply because something exists doesn't make it right. The collective response to the Iraq war on the part of the American people is not a result of there not being a draft, but rather poor citizenship. An engaged citizenry would not only find sufficient qualified volunteers to fill the ranks of our military, but would also personally identify with all those who served so that the loss of one was felt by all. The fact that many Americans today view the all-volunteer force not so much as an extension of themselves, but more along the lines of a "legion" of professionals removed from society, illustrates the yawning gap that exists between we the people and those we ask to defend us.

Narrowing this gap is not something that can be accomplished simply through legislation. Reinstating the draft is illusory in this regard. There is a more fundamental obstacle to the reunion of our society and those who take an oath in the military to uphold and defend the Constitution. Void of this bond, the inherent differences of civilian and military life will serve to drive a wedge between the two, regardless of whether the military force is drafted or volunteer.

Lacking a common understanding of the foundational principles upon which the nation was built, a citizenry will grow to view military service as an imposition, as opposed to an obligation. Simply put, one cannot willingly defend that which one does not know and understand. The fundamental ignorance that exists in America today about the Constitution creates the conditions which foster the divide between citizen and soldier that permeates society today. America must take ownership of its military, not simply by footing the bill, but by assuming a moral responsibility for every aspect of military service. The vehicle for doing this has been well established through the Constitution: the legislative branch of government, the Congress, which serves to represent the will of the people.


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Scott Ritter served as chief U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 until his resignation in 1998. He is the author of, most recently, Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story of the Intelligence Conspiracy to Undermine the U.N. and Overthrow Saddam Hussein (Nation Books, 2005).

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Posted by: vox persona on May 7, 2008 12:50 AM   
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I suspend my usual wild-eyed rant normally seen in this space to let this piece sink in. Nice article Scott....thanks. You truly continue to serve this country in helping us fight the good fight, exposing the powers that be and their misguided tactics. Keep turning on the light and hopefully these roaches will scatter and scurry away. Now is the time for industrial strength roach bait. Keep up the good work.

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For God and Country
Posted by: AlexLawyer on May 7, 2008 12:59 AM   
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I've always wondered why "serving one's country" is considered synonymous with military employment. No doubt many military people do serve the country, but fat-cat golfing generals and do-nothing bureaucrats are serving only themselves. Don't nurses and teachers serve their country, too? For that matter, trash collectors and janitors? People who work hard, pay taxes, raise their families and obey the law?

Clausewitz's famous dictum about war being politics by another means takes on new meaning; the military itself is a partisan political instrument, wielded by the rich and powerful to serve their ends. And many of those who risk their lives have been convinced they're serving God and Country, when they're actually serving Mammon and Country Clubbers in oppostion to everything Jesus and our Founding Fathers stood for.

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» I agree--too much fetishism Posted by: redceres
The Principle Is Good But
Posted by: opmoc on May 7, 2008 2:50 AM   
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Status Quo - In The Army Now

A vacation in a foreign land
Uncle sam does the best he can
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now

Now you remember what the draftman said
Nothing to do all day but stay in bed
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now

You be the hero of the neighbourhood
Nobody knows that you left for good
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, youre in the army now

Smiling faces as you wait to land
But once you get there no one gives a damn
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now

Hand grenades flying over your head
Missiles flying over your head
If you want to survive get out of bed
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now

Shots ring out in the dad of night
The sergant calls (stand up and fight)
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, youre in the army now

You've got your orders better shoot on sight
Your fingers on the trigger
But it dont seem right
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now

Night is falling and you just cant see
Is this illusion or reality
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now
You're in the army now
Oh, oh, you're in the army now

Oh, oh, you're in the army now

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The disconnect will become a chasm
Posted by: phindrup on May 7, 2008 5:10 AM   
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As the cost of Iraq, the cost of the US’s loss of standing, nay, the widespread fear and distrust, the mounting costs of the wounded and maimed accumulate, the citizens of the US will curse this administration and the military.
Then there is the inevitable problems that will develop among those who ‘served’, the problems this will cause in society and the indifference to the problems besetting many, if not most of the returned military personnel will create further conflict.
The cost of proclaiming that the US was/is above international law and the invasion of Iraq is going to extend far into the future. Your great grandchildren will still be paying, still suffering the consequences.
There will be very few in the world who do not believe that it is a just result, that it was all your own doing.

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» So it is. Posted by: trappedintwilightzone
All for the benefit of the top 1% of the poplulation in wealth
Posted by: james2021 on May 7, 2008 6:08 AM   
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All done for the benefit of the very rich, at the expense of the other 99% of the population. Not exactly a great bargain for the 99% of the population. And the Drunken Sailor Republicans running around with their Chinese Credit Cards, will have us all paying for this mess for then next 200 years.

And we elected these criminals, not once but twice.

Hopefully, Carl Rove's plan for the Republicans to be the majority party for the next 100 years, will turn out to be the Republicans being the minority party for the next 100 years.

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» Nay -- not entirely true. Posted by: trappedintwilightzone
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What chance?
Posted by: premarachel on May 7, 2008 7:19 AM   
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With a news media run by the likes of the Murdochs, Sony's, GE, Disney et al, and limp politicians too afraid or self interested to buck the system, with an extremely "busy" and cash strapped middle class, who has the time or means to truly effect change. I don't know anyone who agrees with or supports the current administration. I don't know anyone who would have a problem with seeing everyone in GWB's administration impeached and imprisoned for not only criminally deceiving us, but for causing the deaths of some 650 thousand people, of creating over 4 million refugees, and of destroying any hope of a bright and prosperous future for our children by saddling them with a growing 9 trillion dollar debt, not to forget of course, effectively scuttling any hope of real health care or education systems for all, and making it increasingly difficult to invest in alternative energies to wean ourselves off oil, which by the way, we can easily with the legalization of hemp (not marijuana) growing resolve, but that our blessed oil loving leaders have effectively and stupidly created so much ignorance around, that we like starving children sitting on top of box of food, who don't know how to open it, are blind to a sound alternative to the current and worsening oil and energy crisis. So, tell me, where is a forum to voice our opinions effectively. Certainly not here and certainly not through our so called representatives. They like their jobs far too much.

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On christian fundamentalism in any stature here's John Adams
Posted by: the baron on May 7, 2008 7:36 AM   
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“As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] … it is declared … that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries….
“The United States IS NOT a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.”

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WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT WITHIN OUR GOVERNMENT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 7, 2008 7:51 AM   
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The people running our country were not elected. They've been hanging around Washington for 30 yrs. waiting for their time to come. And so it did, with George Bush who does what he's told. Blame the booze or religion or plain stupidity. He was put there for a reason. Not to get in the way of the guys who had plans of their own. So he follows orders. He is kept in the dark and doesn't even know it. Time for us to clean house. ANNA

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not finished with entire article yet, but...
Posted by: buddhacious on May 7, 2008 7:53 AM   
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I understand the importance of a functioning military, but part of the reason I am not exactly our military's biggest fan is that I have not been alive to witness a just war waged by our country. Now, this isn't necessarily the military's fault. The politicians are the ones who decide what we fight for (the past 60 years it seems like it is just the President). But don't soldiers bare some degree of responsibility, as well? Its true you are put in jail for disobeying orders, but is blind obediency to authority really something we should praise? If a war is unjust, I as a soldier would feel obligated NOT to fight it, even if that meant spending some time in a jail cell. It's been a long time since our military was used to protect our freedom.

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» you don't know much about the military Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
Rubbish
Posted by: leafsong1 on May 7, 2008 8:04 AM   
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"intelligent, morally grounded soldier on the front line in Iraq, making the decisions about the use of force in the framework of an illegal and unjust occupation"

An intelligent, morally grounded soldier would not take part in an illegal and unjust occupation. Ritter's plan for harmony between military and civilian is for both to go along with the criminal behavior of the government. His solution for the tradition of criminal behavior in the US military is to treat the military with unconditional honor. These are the pathetic pleadings of a man struggling against five years of accusations of unpatriotism. Military service in a time of illegal and unjust occupation is simply NOT honorable.

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» *ibid* Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
» I agree Posted by: ssegallmd
» RE: I agree Posted by: badkitty
» RE: I agree Posted by: lively56
This article has issues...
Posted by: Farasien on May 7, 2008 8:33 AM   
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There are many things about this argument that really don't wash with reality. First, the idea of changing from within the system will not work, as being a part of the system necessitates you make a number of erronous assumptions.

For example, the assumption that the military stands in defense of its citizens. This idea is wrong. The US government is now and has for the majority of its history been run by well-vested interests whose main goal has been to preserve and increase their own wealth and access to more wealth. Thus, the military, by extention, exists to preserve and protect the wealth of those in power. Thus, if you sign up, you are really a mercenary (or very deluded imbicille) whose purpose is to further secure the wealth and power of its leaders.

By working inside the system, you are largely constrained by its laws and rules. What we need in this country is a new set of rules which excludes those who use it only to further their own corrupt ends. To really change something, you have to strike it at its root, throw out the old ways of thinking and start over. If you preserve much of the corrupt system, you simply perpetuate the old mistakes written into it.

The assumption that a draft could spread the risk evenly through the country is another erronous statement. Look at the Vietnam era... Those given the 'honor' of 'serving' the country came, disproportionately, from the lower and less-educated classes. Why? Simple- the elite bought their way out or served stateside (as our current Bastard In Chief) in a cushy, safe post that demanded nothing more than they not fall asleep too often while on duty. The next time the draft is started up (likely just as soon as Shrub decides to nuke Iran in the next few months-and by the way, the draft boards have been fully restaffed in the last few years-look it up) it will be the same thing. The slums will be emptied to go 'fight for america' while the upper crust children sit at home and watches American Idol and football.

Are there good people who go to congress? Yes, but its only a matter of time before they get corrupted by the elite. The military is no different. They use whatever they can to get you to go enlist, and those who show much spirit are thrown into their third or fourth tour (if enlistees) or are similarly corrupted (if an officer).

If you really wanted to close the gap, as you state, between the trust of soldiers and the people they supposedly protect, the first thing they would do is de-couple the military from the president. Secondly, the government would have to be re-worked to give people a real sense of ownership of it and accountability of those elected officials to the public. The government, as it was written, was never meant, really, to represent people directly. This is why we have electoral colleges and the like. If you really wanted to make it by and for the people, try implimenting some of these....

-SINGLE term limits for ALL elected government officials
-Government salary comminserate with job performance, reviewed yearly.
-Recall authority of the people on ALL government offices
-TRULY transparent budgeting, including that of the military
-Public vote on all budgets
-tie presidential pay to the overall economic health of the country (minus the upper extreme)
-Term limits for judges
-Public vote on supreme court judgements
-retroactively and PERMANENTLY REPEAL CORPORATE PERSONHOOD
-In the event of a war, all electred officials who vote FOR it must send members of their family or must go themselves to serve in the front lines and must go FIRST
...etc.

Until we change things fundamentally, the status quo will continue (& get worse). The mistakes of the past will always haunt the people of the future until they have the courage to finally learn the lessons of history.

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» RE: This article has issues... Posted by: trappedintwilightzone
» RE: This article has issues... Posted by: KyGentleman
Contractors & Taser-sponsored 'Drive to Remember Fallen Police Officers'...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 7, 2008 8:43 AM   
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Militarism, Human Welfare, & the APA Ethical Principles of Psychologists

"The Wackenhut Corporation provides security services to commercial and government organizations. It is a subsidiary of U.K. based G4S, which is one of the largest security corporations in the world.

"It is known throughout the industry that if you want a dirty job done, call Wackenhut." -retired FBI agent, William Hinshaw in a Sept92, SPY Magazine article, John Connolly."

===

TaserKorp CREATES 'drive-by' pro-militarization product promotion: "Drive to Remember for Fallen Officers"

The psychology of compliance & obedience... that works so well on YOUR MILITARY... also works on OUR Community Peace Officers.

"We don't need social skills, we got TASERS & a reduced sense of consequences!"

"Stung by criticism, Mountie Commissioner Elliott promotes Taser safety with personal demonstration"

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Bush has the Unitary Decrees in Place for Martial Law and Military Control of America
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 7, 2008 8:54 AM   
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The Bush Administration has largely turned America's Military against it's population with all the decrees Bush has signed..

NSPD-51

HSPD-20

Executive Order 14348

The Warner Military Defense Act..

on and on..

Also thanks to these corrupt Generals and retired Generals who serve Bush rather than protect and defend the Constitution, there are bad days ahead..

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The maltreatment of vets should be expected during wars started by draft dodgers
Posted by: HughScott on May 7, 2008 9:03 AM   
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Bush 43 avoided Vietnam by joining the National Guard and going AWOL. His war-mongering neocon buddies -- Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Scotter Libby --- also dodged the draft.

Lesson learned: When draft dodgers start wars, the men and women who fight them should expect nothing good -- least of all respect -- for their patriotic service.

---------------------------------------

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran, lifelong registered Republican, Obama supporter and the editor of www.FreedomCentralUSA.com -- a nonprofit investigative website that exposes Bill Kristol's rightwing extremist organization, Project for a New American Century (PNAC) as the primary instigators of Gulf War 2.

FreedomCentralUSA also presents a list of 225 PNAC members (called "signatories"), including John McCain, Cheney, Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby.

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Okay - so how about covering the issue of the Iraqi nuclear chemical bio weapons?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 7, 2008 9:07 AM   
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I mean, this is why I find myself getting more and more fed up with the so-called alternative press - this is an opinion piece, suitable perhaps for the op-ed pages of the NYT or the WP (it is certainly as well-written as anything that Billy Kristol produces, and way more coherent) - but all the soldiers in Iraq want is to come home.

People need to start mentioning oil and petroleum and the Paul Bremer privatization orders, and the re-writing of the Iraq Constitution to serve U.S. corporate interests - capital liberalization, outside control, and the continued ban on unions, as well as the privatization of some 192 state-owned industries.

Otherwise, this is just silly military shtick. "I want soldiers on the ground who are smart, not draftees." Actually, that kind of pisses me off. Smart or dumb, the only role that soldiers play in this kind of aggressive, invade-occupy-and-despoil kind of warfare is that of cannon fodder. Seriously, we engaged in a crime of aggressive warfare, making our nation the legal equivalent of Saddam in 1991, or Germany in 1940. I don't know why people like Scott Ritter have such a hard time saying it.

There is really no way to recover the situation without giving up on the Empire Dream and setting our Foreign Colonies free. Brand America now stinks to high heaven - attempts to clean it up (like this one) are not like putting lipstick on a pig; this is putting lipstick on John Carpenter's "The Thing."

So, why do we see so many articles like this one? My current opinion is that there is an entire contingent on the left whose sole goal appears to be the selling of Brand America to the world. . .

It turns out, I think, that the left-wing press and the right-wing press are surprisingly similar. The right wing press is universally loathed by Alternet readers, I'm sure, but I can tell you that the right-wing press often runs with the same themes and opinions as the left-wing press does, especially on topics that have a significant corporate component

Are the differences between the American Left and the American Right largely cosmetic? The American Right's foreign policy agenda is just kick the door down and grab whatever you can - the Strong-Arm Gang. The Left is horrified by this, and instead urges gentle but persistent arm-twisting, lots of Peace Corps missions, bribery of foreign officials, covert disruptions and assassinations - just as long as it looks good. The Left is obsessed with perception management, but the Right is not so concerned, though there are many exceptions.

Joseph Conrad explained this in Heart of Darkness, discussing the famous Mr. Kurtz:

"He is a prodigy,' he said at last. 'He is an emissary of pity and science and progress, and devil knows what else. We want,' he began to declaim suddenly, 'for the guidance of the cause intrusted to us by Europe, so to speak, higher intelligence, wide sympathies, a singleness of purpose.' 'Who says that?' I asked. 'Lots of them,' he replied. 'Some even write that; and so HE comes here, a special being, as you ought to know.' 'Why ought I to know?' I interrupted, really surprised. He paid no attention. 'Yes. To-day he is chief of the best station, next year he will be assistant-manager, two years more and . . . but I dare-say you know what he will be in two years' time. You are of the new gang -- the Gang of Virtue. The same people who sent him specially also recommended you. Oh, don't say no. I've my own eyes to trust.'

The anti-neoliberal globalization, pro-fair trade movement is neither leftist nor rightist, nor are we members of the Gang of Virtue. I'd place quite a few prominent lefties in that category, though.

Better learn to think for yourself, kiddies.

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A little bushido goes a long way
Posted by: DaBear on May 7, 2008 9:50 AM   
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The era of the standing army in the 19th century convention (perpetuated through the 20th and now 21st by RWA and economic parasites) is over. We are far too many, far too interconnected, far too interdependent to tolerate such antiquated and suicidal notions.

We need a new budo to fit a new bushido... we need to do what Morehei Ueshiba did and create a new mode of self-national-communal defense. (He created Aikido which eschews the notion of "enemy" for "opponent" the goal being to end any attack through non-resistance--even framing attacks, being "out of control," a situation with which we're all sickeningly familiar by now. This was his gift to a world he saw as too populated, too lethal, too impatient with each other for wars, armies, and nationalist homicidal urges.)

Professional warriors (those who have the skill and knowledge to carry death over their shoulder but exercise the discipline and restraint to withhold it when bushido demands it) might be part of that, but soldiers (those that snap-to and obey without question, who "just do their job") and soldier cults (societies that support and venerate soldiers to the point of fetishization) will no longer serve us well.

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The American Military Today IS A FOREIGN LEGION!
Posted by: sofla100 on May 7, 2008 10:01 AM   
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I would say that we have long passed the point where the U.S. miltary has been turned into a foreign legion. Going all the way back to Korea; what did this war have to do with the legitimate and real defense of the American homeland? Of course, since then, we have had Vietnam and now the tragedy of Iraq. But, perhaps Iraq is the most egregious of American foreign policy blunders. This war stands out within the context of wars for conquest and for persuing "strategic objectives." The notion of serving in the military for patriotism and good community service is fine when the military serves what should be its primary role, protection of the physical territory of the USA herself. But, turned into something else, as has long since happened with the USA military, and then military service becomes something even antithetical to American values and purpose. Antithetical and against freedom and democracy. A military just to serve the objectives of the economic needs of America's rich and corporate interests. The war in Iraq, of course, a case in point.

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American Zionist Nazi State
Posted by: warble on May 7, 2008 10:08 AM   
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The poor soldiers who tried to serve their country in WWII under the German flag are hounded today by this country as NAZIs. The reason has to do with International Law and the Kellog Briand Pact which made war unlawfull. As a result, they are considered war criminals and nazis and even though they were drafted and trying to serve Adolph, they are war criminals.
This label applies to American soldiers found in other countries making war. It also applies to the American Military and the congress. Waging war in violation of this treaty is illegal. That was again confirmed by Kofi Anan.

Why people want to support criminals and serial murderers like american soldiers is beyond me. But, America seems hell bent on waging total war against the world while pretending to care about others, care about human rights, and care about the rights of man? It seems far fetched.

In addition, with the spate of movies and shows on television glorifying war, it appears that the American military machine is peppering the airs with stories of bravery, honor, and machismo and preparing this country for a draft.

It means more killing, more robbery, and more genocide so that we can live like fat cats at their expense. Contrary to popular beliefs, we live in a military dictatorship and we are forced to pay taxes to support it. We have no say in the direction of this country and no say in what the military does. They control the horizontal...they control the vertical...they control the people. Democracy is just a gimmick to convince you that you control it all.

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"defend us"? What a crock of bullbleep.
Posted by: JimmyVaughan on May 7, 2008 10:47 AM   
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"The fact that many Americans today view the all-volunteer force not so much as an extension of themselves, but more along the lines of a "legion" of professionals removed from society, illustrates the yawning gap that exists between we the people and those we ask to defend us."

The United States military does not "defend us", they maintain a global empire, by force.

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bozhidar bob balkas
Posted by: bozhidar on May 7, 2008 11:35 AM   
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i found ritter's piece puzzling. in view of the fact that US structure of governance is one of the best ever devised for controling domestic and foreign pops; controling with iron grip cia, fbi, the three houses, education, religion, etc, i don't see how it matters who the fighters are or what they think.
if US governance would be as fair as or better than that of swiss, it would make sense to voluntarily join armed forces.
but US governance is by far less fair than of many other countries.
perhaps 5-10mn amers rule america.
and money will always hire not only liars (educators, media, entertainters) but also killers.
and, folks, this had been going on for mere 30td yrs and to continue for millennia.
what can a working person do to even assuage a bit such dominance let alone change it to the ones that exist in switzewrland, sweden, austria, finland, denmark, et al.
and even such governances could stand improvement. thanx

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At war with who?
Posted by: carbon-based on May 7, 2008 11:38 AM   
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""SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - The U.S. military confirmed Wednesday that a former Guantanamo detainee from Kuwait carried out a recent suicide attack in northern Iraq.

A spokesman for U.S. military's Central Command told The Associated Press that Abdallah Salih al-Ajmi took part in an attack in Mosul.

U.S. Navy Cmdr. Scott Rye said authorities don't know the motive for the attack, which was reported last week by Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television. Iraqi security forces were apparently targeted.""

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» RE: At war with who? Posted by: Cybershaman
Scott Ritter is a MARINE
Posted by: sterling on May 7, 2008 12:33 PM   
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Great article, but it's really just a sign of the times. Scott Ritter, "Once a Marine, always a Marine" should know this better than anybody. Once the "Iraq quagmire" drifts into history, few people will remember it, just like the attacks of 11 Sep 01. It is human nature to put the past where it belongs, as it is a function of continued survival. Also a double edged sword because we are likely to repeat our mistakes. Like the article stated, there are a few bad apples in the military. The same goes for any organization and society in general. The vast majority in our military are good and joined to serve their country in an ideal situation, knowing that it won't always be ideal. Yes, we must have a certain level of compliance and obedience in the military, JUST LIKE SOCIETY, but that doesn't mean we are brainwashed or that we can't decide what is right and wrong. I've endured military service from the beginning of the Clinton presidency and I'll still be serving when either Obama, McCain or Clinton takes the oath of office. I've reached many decision points where I almost decided that enough was enough, but I am still here. I don't support the war in Iraq, but I am still here. I think the "war on terrorism" is a bunch of BS, but I am still here. Why? Because Scott is right... someone has to be ready to stand up and rightly defend the United States when that time comes. It's going to take a level of sacrifice that has not been known since WW2. And don't think it can't happen here.

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» RE: Scott Ritter is a MARINE Posted by: Cybershaman
rn
Posted by: mnatra on May 7, 2008 12:52 PM   
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telling someone to join the military to participate in the war in Iraq. is like telling a person to get married committ domestic violence to his spouse in order for him to be able to participate in a program of recovery from domestic violence.

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» Excellent take! Posted by: trappedintwilightzone
hooligan
Posted by: hooligan on May 7, 2008 1:27 PM   
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Well thanks for the morality lesson and for stating the obvious. I think we all know that corruption is bad and the innocent and gullible can be patriots and even vote. The issue here is not some general principle, it is the specific size and scope of the military. There is no part of the constitution that says America has to kill people in foreign lands as some sort of god-given or ungod-given civil right. There is no part of the constitution that says the military should take half of all federal taxes. Why doesn't someone have a grown up conversation about why the military should not be a size that is appropriate to defend the USA and not be equal to the size in spending terms of the next five largest military COMBINED. This means down sizing the military to 5% of GDP from 10%. A cut of one half from current levels and getting the top brass qualified in managing the military to delever BANG for bucks instead of BANG for gloating over big boys toys.

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"The Pentagon vs the U.S..How Americans Have Become Targets of Their Own Military"
Posted by: Last Chance on May 7, 2008 1:39 PM   
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This article belies its own title, and what a boring piece of tripe, and why do I have to scroll down a mile to get to the print? What's going on at AlterNet ?!

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What do you mean? Your statement doesn't make sense.
Posted by: nightgaunt on May 7, 2008 3:02 PM   
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Scott Ritter explicated quiet clearly. You can tie this in the the creation of the DHS mega-data base called "MAIN CORE" which collects unverified data from many sources including the FBI,CIA,civilian companies et al to the Counter Intelligence Field activity through the Joint protection Enterprise Network that allows the Defence Dept. to share unverified information with both gov't and civilian authorities concerning private USA citizens. Without congressional oversight.

We also have the problem of a paralles or 'shadow' gov't that does exist. It was mentioned brieftly back in 2000 or 2001 once. It is part of COG (Continuety of Gov't) that subordinates the other branches of gov't under the executive during a nati'l emergency.

Check out:
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