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America's Chemically Modified 21st Century Soldiers
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More than 60 years later, the U.S. Air Force still doles out dextro-amphetamine to pilots whose duties do not afford them the luxury of sleep.
Through it all, it seems, the human body and its fleshy weaknesses keep getting in the way of warfare. Just as in the health clinics of the nation, the first waypoint in the military effort to redress these foibles is a pharmaceutical one. The catch is, we're really not that great at it. In the case of speed, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency itself notes a few unwanted snags like addiction, anxiety, aggression, paranoia and hallucinations. For side-effects like insomnia, the Air Force issues "no-go" pills like temazepam alongside its "go" pills. Psychosis, though, is a wee bit trickier.
Far from getting discouraged, the working consensus appears to be that we just haven't gotten the drugs right yet. In recent years, the U.S., the UK and France -- among others -- have reportedly been funding investigations into a new line-up of military performance enhancers. The bulk of these drugs are already familiar to us from the lists of substances banned by international sporting bodies, including the stimulant ephedrine, non-stimulant "wakefulness promoting agents" like modafinil (aka Provigil) and erythropoietin, used to improve endurance by boosting the production of red blood cells.
As the chemical interventions grow bolder and more sophisticated, we should not be surprised that some are beginning to cast their eyes beyond droopy eyelids and sore muscles. Chief among the new horizons is the alluring notion of psychological prophylactics: drugs used to pre-empt the often nasty effects of combat stress on soldiers, particularly that perennial veteran's bugaboo known as post-traumatic stress disorder syndrome. In the U.S., where roughly two-fifths of troops returning from combat deployments are presenting serious mental health problems, PTSD has gone political in form of the Psychological Kevlar Act, which would direct the Secretary of Defense to implement "preventive and early-intervention measures" to protect troops against "stress-related psychopathologies."
Proponents of the "Psychological Kevlar" approach to PTSD may have found a silver bullet in the form of propranolol, a 50-year-old beta-blocker used on-label to treat high blood pressure, and off-label as a stress-buster for performers and exam-takers. Ongoing psychiatric research has intriguingly suggested that a dose of propranolol, taken soon after a harrowing event, can suppress the victim's stress response and effectively block the physiological process that makes certain memories intense and intrusive. That the drug is cheap and well tolerated is icing on the cake.
Propranolol has already been dubbed the "mourning after pill," largely by those who argue that its military use amounts to medicating away pangs of conscience. For the time being, though, we can set aside our dystopian visions of zombies with guns, since the tranquilizing effects of beta-blockers are unlikely to permit their widespread use on the battlefield. But pharmacology moves more swiftly with each passing year -- especially when helped along by defense-research dollars -- and we may need to revive those visions sooner than we think.
The Mediated Soldier
In the new model army, brute force and viscera are out. Cutting edge gadgetry, omniscient surveillance and precision long-distance termination is in. What motivates it all is the type of war we fear we'll be fighting.
On this, the strategists have spoken: with Iraq and Afghanistan as the testing grounds, the conflicts of the future will be guerrilla wars, open-ended, with no battle lines, no rules of engagement and ambivalent or openly hostile civilian populations in which any man, woman or child can turn combatant.
In breeding a future soldier for these future wars, we will inevitably leave behind the mere rectification of human weakness and enter into the realm of the superhuman. Glimpses of this realm have already become commonplace in the form of ceramic-Kevlar body armor and night-vision goggles -- wizardry that transforms squishy pink men into bullet-proof creatures of the night.
Such magic will continue apace under the auspices of dozens of military development initiatives across the globe, creating a species known variously as the Future Force Warrior by the U.S., FIST by the British Army, Félin by the French. All are merely the human components of broader visionary projects for what has been called "the army after next," the most noteworthy of which being the U.S. Army's Future Combat Systems. With a budget clocking in at $160 billion or so, FCS is not just one of history's most costly weapons programs; it is an all-encompassing modernization program, one that will usher in a total re-imagining of the armed forces. What FCS and its kin have imagined for soldiers is a battlefield experience increasingly mediated by technology, insulated in a cocoon of "force multipliers" -- military parlance for anything that allows you to accomplish more with fewer personnel. In concrete terms, that translates into an array of tools designed to enhance lethality and survivability: next-generation sidearms; headsets that provide live command and control, detailed geographic data and the ability to fire around corners; smart suits equipped with ultralight nanotech armor, micro-climate conditioning, real-time health monitoring and even automated medical care like CPR and drug delivery. Also on the docket are robotic exoskeletons that allow the soldiers wearing them to carry hundreds of pounds -- even while running -- without breaking a sweat, as well as handheld imaging equipment that grants the ability to see targets through walls.
None of these are sci-fi pipe dreams. The DARPA-developed Radar Scope is already in limited deployment, detecting human breathing through a foot of concrete on two AA batteries. Utah-based robotics company Sarcos is expected to deliver its prototype exoskeletons to the Army this year, at roughly the same time that many of the other Future Force Warrior components begin field testing. Full-scale production of a number of the systems is scheduled for early in the next decade.
The Absent Soldier
It is tempting to say that military technology is steadily transforming war into a video game. Yet there's a strange irony in the works: as the games claw themselves even closer to the look and feel of real, down-and-dirty warfare, real warfare is fluttering away into strategic and technological abstraction, effectively taking a step back from its own reality.
For all the PlayStation sexiness of the ultra lethal, force-multiplied warrior, the true fate of the in-the-flesh soldier is to vanish into the abstraction.
The explicit purpose of Future Combat Systems is to progressively supplement, to the point of ultimately displacing, the human soldier with a whole array of automated, autonomous and remote technologies -- things like unmanned surveillance drones, long-range and non-line-of-sight precision-guided munitions, and unmanned air and ground combat vehicles. Though the latter group may never look anything like Schwarzenegger minus skin, make no mistake that what we are talking about here is weaponized robots.
An oft-quoted U.S. Joint Forces Command study from 2003 (rather candidly titled Unmanned Effects: Taking the Human Out of the Loop) predicted that autonomous, networked robots -- faster and more lethal than human combatants -- could become the norm by 2025. That may prove overly confident, but a congressional mandate has already called for one-third of all U.S. military land vehicles to be unmanned by 2015, increasing to two-thirds by 2025.
If the idea of autonomous, homicidal robots dashing into troubled Third-World slums sends a major chill down your spine, you're certainly not alone. Well aware of the nightmarish optics, defense contractors and military brass alike have been presenting a united front, noting that this is about moving soldiers out of harm's way, not about deleting humans from the "kill chain" entirely.
While there is little doubt that protecting soldiers is the central motivation, shifting troops into a distant pixel-pushing role also performs a secondary purpose: it neatly removes obstacles for those looking to wage war overseas while expending as little of their domestic political capital as possible. You can call it a by-product, or you can call it an ulterior motive, depending upon how dismal your outlook is.
Whatever the reasons, as we lose ourselves in the lovely fantasy of sidestepping the maimed veterans and crying widows, we could be walking right into an even nastier pile of shit. During the bombing campaign that accompanied the 2003 coalition invasion of Iraq, satellite-guided munitions caused scores of accidental civilian deaths. If these people had perished at the barrel of coalition rifles, their deaths would have been called massacres; as it stands, they are mere technical glitches and failures of intelligence.
The moral here is straightforward: once the human presence in the kill chain is diluted, so too is accountability. The future's soldier could be one surrounded by an inveigling haze of pharmaceuticals, decision-making robots, errant bombs and faulty surveillance data; the only thing to emerge from this haze will be an exhilarating sense of our own guiltlessness. Alas, the populations against which we use our fancy toys are unlikely to share in the feeling.
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Posted by: Lector on May 3, 2008 12:43 AM
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I expect this is all for the purpose of gearing up against the enemy which will be everywhere against everyone, i.e., the "long war" against radical Islam which can be expected to extend far beyond Iraq and Afghanistan and to the Muslim world at large, including Islamic diaspora communities in Europe that are growing and becoming increasingly radicalized, and as a cautionary measure against Russia which is once again staking its claim to a prominent position on the global stage. Of course, we cannot be expected to "win" any of these wars.
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Hundreds killed by US strikes in Sadr City
Pepe Escobar: New strategy to fight resistance--Wall-in a section of the city and bomb it, Friday May 2nd, 2008, The Real News.
(transcript, if you don't want to see Sadr residents bleeding to death):
PEPE ESCOBAR, THE REAL NEWS ANALYST: It’s been five years since George W. Bush proclaimed Mission Accomplished in Iraq. Now take a very good look at these images. Yes, they are disturbing. You won’t see them on Western TV networks. And no, there’s not a hint of mission accomplished about them.
These are innocent civilians-– poor Shi’ite Arabs living in the three million-strong Sadr City in Baghdad, one of the largest slums in the world. As The Real News has reported Sadr City is being walled in–- transformed into a gulag, and pounded relentlessly by US air strikes. The Pentagon-–and the Iraqi government–-say they are “protecting the Green Zone” by attacking Sadr City. . .As if that traumatic scene of the helicopter leaving the roof of the US embassy in Saigon in 1975 was rattling too many military minds.
1745 Iraqi civilians were killed in April-– against 159 policemen and 104 soldiers. Over 400 people were killed in Sadr City alone. Only 10% were guerrillas.
This carnage is a direct consequence of Dick Cheney’s recent tour of the Middle East, Iraq included. This carnage is a direct consequence of Gen. David Petraeus’ surge. These are victims of a vicious political battle between the al-Maliki government in Baghdad, supported by the al-Hakim family, and the US, against Muqtada al-Sadr, who they fear will win the next elections in October-–because, of course, he is immensely popular.
And in the big picture, these deaths are a graphic example of how the sophisticated Pentagon machine plans to deal with “problematic” urban slums in the future. We wall them, we isolate them, and we bomb the hell out of them. Who cares about collateral damage? It may be very harsh to say, but that's how it is.
As far as drugs for soldiers for relief of traumatic stress, they - the soldiers, not the doctors - have already discovered the oldest standbys - heroin, opium, booze, and cannabis - cannabis probably being the safest knockout drug.
Given the noted associations between suicide, reckless behavior and the SSRI drugs like Prozac and Paxil, soldiers should probably never be placed on those drugs. Heroin is a far safer alternative, and cannabis even safer(less addictive) than that.
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Posted by: maxpayne on May 3, 2008 5:26 AM
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P.S.: Even some of the Bush puppets being hired have turned against him even as they were prepared to lose their jobs in the process.
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Posted by: IntnsRed on May 3, 2008 5:36 AM
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Where is the morality and justice angle?
The article cavalierly talks about the types of war we "fear" we'll be fighting in the future?
What?! The US worships and relishes war and conflict. We are the world's aggressor! The US is the world's torturing empire, killing hundreds of thousands of innocents so we can steal their resources to maintain our unsustainable lifestyle and standard of living.
Why isn't this article permeated with value judgements about the underlying criminality of US foreign policy?
Typical liberal rubbish. Gripe about the tree but miss the forest...
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 3, 2008 5:44 AM
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A fallacy Americans are not just worried about th eamericna Toll of War - but All Deaths resulting from War.
Just like Scalia's deadly Flawed logic regading torture vs Punishment- the Results are the Same.
Of course that would explain why Americans are suddenly suffering from 'Depression and Anxiety' so they can Medicate US too. Not to mention the Demand we 'reproduce' like live stock whether we want to or not- Abstenence Education, the Fall of Roe v Wade. Commodities for the future Global Auction Block. Drug 'em and Sell 'em
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Posted by: xvictor on May 3, 2008 6:12 AM
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SOLDIER - with Kurt Russell
UNIVERSAL SOLDIER - Jean Claude Van Damme
OUTER LIMITS - the old series, featuring Michael Ansara.
The future, er, the present, is looking scary!!!!
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» Extremely relevant critique.
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As far as accountability is concerned, my comment would be; what accountability? The
military operates under an ever growing veil of secrecy for what....fun? When it does get caught with its pants down it is a simple matter to find some underling to take the blame. Thus having been held "accountable" business proceeds as usual.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on May 3, 2008 9:09 AM
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Big Pharma rules the nation. Big Pharma writes policy. Big Pharma + Pentagon Budget = Enhanced Soldiers.
As the climate changes we will need soldiers who are able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. After all, who's going to keep all those environmental refugees inside those gigantic fenced off areas that Halliburton built?
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Posted by: HughScott on May 3, 2008 10:10 AM
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On page 62, the report described America's future soldiers, saying they would "operate in encapsulated climate-controlled, powered fighting suits laced with sensors and boasting chameleon-like active camouflage. Skin-patch pharmaceuticals would help regulate fear, focus concentration and enhance endurance and strength."
The goal of a robotic mercenary army, according to the report, would be to insure the United States remained the "world's dominate military power" and primary enforcer of "global security order."
Another essential part of PNAC's goal of unmatched military superiority is a nuclear umbrella over the Middle East, with the ability to launch first-strike, atomic warfare against rogue Muslim nations.
That's exactly what Hillary has proposed -- the ability to "obliterate" Iran (her words), killing millions of innocent human beings should Tehran attack Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Israel.
I'm sorry, Clinton fans, but Mrs. Strangelove (Hillary) is either a liar or crazier than hell. Along with PNAC member John McCain, she is the LAST person who should be our commander-in-chief.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on May 3, 2008 10:20 AM
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the kill chain is diluted, so too is accountability. The future's
soldier could be one surrounded by an inveigling haze of
pharmaceuticals, decision-making robots, errant bombs and faulty
surveillance data; the only thing to emerge from this haze will be
an exhilarating sense of our own guiltlessness. Alas, the
populations against which we use our fancy toys are unlikely to
share in the feeling."
The above is perfectly false. The truth is: once the human is
removed from the kill zone, you don't have to shoot at anything
that moves. Since robots don't have a self preservation instinct or
fear or terror or pain, you can take the time required to determine
what it is that is moving. Robotization of the battlefield will
reduce enemy casualties. If the enemy shoots at a robot, who
cares? He is wasting his ammunition. The robot is a lot more
difficult to destroy or even injure that a soldier wearing all of that
armor. A robot is also much more powerful, faster, quicker, more
accurate and so on. If you want to make the robot destroy the
weapon, not the man, you can do so. That having been said, I
would never in this century give a robot the authority to use lethal
force without human permission. There must always be a human
in the loop. I strongly advocate a law mandating a human in the
loop because soldiers have asked the engineers to make a
completely autonomous mobile armed robot. While I was
working for the Army weapons lab, I was able to dissuade them.
Now that I am retired, we need a law.
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» But the robots will refuse to fire at Americans.
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» Surgical implantation of an RFID: You have to join up first.
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» Robot, ethics and the motive of war
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» EXCELLENT POINT
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» So you admit that people are the problem, not the robots.
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» Scientists inspired the Terminator movie to get the law passed.
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[Report this comment] [Ignore this user] Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 10, 2008 7:41 AM
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Propanolol is one of the beta-blocker class of drugs. They have many negative side effects:
"Adverse drug reactions (ADRs) associated with the use of beta blockers include: nausea, diarrhea, bronchospasm, dyspnea, cold extremities, exacerbation of Raynaud's syndrome, bradycardia, hypotension, heart failure, heart block, fatigue, dizziness, abnormal vision, decreased concentration, hallucinations, insomnia, nightmares, clinical depression, sexual dysfunction, erectile dysfunction and/or alteration of glucose and lipid metabolism. Mixed α1/β-antagonist therapy is also commonly associated with orthostatic hypotension. Carvedilol therapy is commonly associated with edema.[3]
Central nervous system (CNS) adverse effects (hallucinations, insomnia, nightmares, depression) are more common in agents with greater lipid solubility, which are able to cross the blood-brain barrier into the CNS. Similarly, CNS adverse effects are less common in agents with greater aqueous solubility (listed below)."
Many soldiers who came back from Vietnam found a far better medication: cannabis - whose side effects include minor things like dry mouth, drowsiness and appetite stimulation.
Unfortunately, many other Vietnam vets also found that heroin and opiate drugs could numb their grief and trauma very effectively - leading to the high incidence of heroin addiction among troops in South East Asia and also veterans in the U.S.
The use of Propanolol as a PTSD treatment is still entirely experimental - in other words, troops are being used as guinea pigs (no surprises there - look at all the vaccines they're forced to take that haven't been approved by the FDA). The normal uses of beta blockers are for heart disorders and high blood pressure! It has serious side effects on the fetus.
All in all, it sounds like a bad idea.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on May 3, 2008 10:46 AM
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http://www.comw.org/rma
/fulltext/overview.html
http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/
Parameters/00autumn/metz.htm
The Next Twist of the RMA by Steven Metz
Imagine further: The disease isn't lethal. It only modifies the
mind. Nano-robots will be able to do it. Future wars may have
ZERO casualties. Future wars could be direct elite versus elite
events, leaving the commoners out of it.
Imagine less far: An intermediate step: Micro-robots the size and
shape of insects will be able to locate individuals and
communicate their location or neutralize individuals or jam and
disable weapons. Imagine metal insects able to find explosives
and cause them to detonate with no apparent cause. Suicide
bombers would never have a chance to finish making a bomb.
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Posted by: PaulK on May 3, 2008 10:55 AM
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If the Lord's Resistance Army putting guns in the hands of abducted 10 year old boys and a few girls is a war crime, why not this too? War becomes much more reduced to taking a normal human, roboticizing him with meds and throwing him away when he stops working.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on May 3, 2008 11:05 AM
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older generation of soldiers who have no or wrong concepts of
robots. There are now tens of thousands of robots in Iraq, mostly
armed and mobile. Our young soldiers are learning what a robot
is and how to use it. The enhanced human soldier will be
overtaken by events and will never actually happen. You can quit
worrying about those enhancing drugs and so on.
The draft board is obsolete.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on May 5, 2008 4:04 PM
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alone for a human soldier.
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Posted by: atheistcable on May 3, 2008 12:49 PM
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. . . is religion. Religion is responsible for Overpopulation. Overpopulation causes people to fight over limited resources.
Religion is superstition and ideology, which includes Communism which thrives best in the absence of intellectual freedom (press, speech, access to the Internet).
Religion is also about Men amassing armed power, keeping people ignorant to better rule over them.
Atheists, on the other hand, are about peacefully solving problems without causing human suffering and death. And yet, the unsophisticated masses here in America love their religion and love war. When Bush declared war against Iraq, this religious country gave Bush the highest approval rating in history. And the Christians voted for him for four more years. As long as the religious population embraces the Bible, there will be wars and rumors of wars.
We live in a very sick country--sick because religion is a disease of the mind. The symptoms are irrational behavior and there is nothing rational or necessary about warfare.
Instead of sending armies of soldiers abroad to kill people and render their nations in utter ruins, as we have Iraq, we should be exchanging teachers of science and culture so that we may educate the people of the world about science and rational thinking.
Most Americans don't know about the wealth of knowledge held by people of other countries. If we did launch an education program unilaterally, there would be opposition from the leaders of other countries. But if we encouraged a Peace Corps in all countries, and have teachers of those countries come to America to teach us about their culture, I think there would be less resistance to what they would otherwise call "Western Imperialism."
When we open lines of communication with people of other countries, there would be more resistance to killing people we know something about, less likely Americans would vote for a person like G Bush.
Every high school in America should have at least one scholar of another country teach a course (required) in their country's history and culture. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, than for war. It's worth a try, and I think Barack Obama would be more inclined to such a program than would other candidates for the White House.
Probably the most important step in the Scientific Method is publication. Whether the physical sciences or the social sciences, science cannot proceed without total freedom of intellectual expression. This is why Communism cannot be equated to atheism. Stalin was educated in a seminary: "At the age of 16, he enrolled at the Georgian Orthodox Seminary of Tiflis (Tbilisi, Georgia)."--Wikipedia
Stalin was no Abraham Maslow! Stalin was no social scientist! I have seen the effects of Catholic Seminary training on those who later left the Church, but retained anti-Semitic attitudes. Communism is an ideology like Catholicism, Mormonism, Islamism, etc.
Let's take two sentences from Wikipedia on the Ayatollah Khomeini.
"In January 1963, the Shah announced the "White Revolution," a six-point program of reform calling for land reform, nationalization of the forests, the sale of state-owned enterprises to private interests, electoral changes to enfranchise women and allow non-Muslims to hold office, profit-sharing in industry, and a literacy campaign in the nation's schools. Some of these initiatives were regarded as dangerous, Westernizing trends by traditionalists, especially by the powerful and privileged Shiite ulama (religious scholars)."
Now tell me that religion--all religions--are not the problem?
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» And religion is caused by insanity, ignorance, and the like
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» Science is indeed the cure for religion.
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» Democratic peace theory 101 for progressives.
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Welcome to the Hyper-White Techno-Evangelical Inquisition.
80 billion additional dollars to the War for Lockheed-Halliburton
now up to a trillion $$$$ for The War- for the Brown&Root- for the Dyncorp
in addition to the regular 800 million $$$ or so a minute for the
Narcotics Trafficking- CIA- Military- Industrial- World's Greatest Polluter- Criminal Think Tank Complex
Small scale tactical nuclear weapons cocktails
served up to brown skinned children
with distended bellies;
by well-manicured over-fed barbarians in Citadels and Mansions
by their servants in Political Board Rooms
with distended bellies
With 725 military bases
With 350 outposts
In 137 countries
In Every jungle
In Every tree
All baby-faced tamarinds run for cover, hiding in their mother's breasts
America- A fundamentally sick society
America- A culture of conquest
Get out of Iraq Get out of Viet Nam
America get out of Colombia
America get off the Rez
America get out of Afghanistan
America get out of etcetera
America, a fundamentally sick society.
Welcome to Plastic Racist Nation
Welcome to McAmeriWal-Martika
Germany- The Fatherland
America- The Homeland
Welcome to Soft Fascism
General Reinhard Gehlen head of German military intelligence on the Eastern front and his network of spies and terrorists were brought over to the USA after World War 2 in the now well known Operation Paperclip. From these advisers and functionaries Allen Dulles, copying many of the methods utilized by the likes of Herr Gehlen, shaped what we now know to be the CIA.
Instruments of Statecraft
Counterinsurgency Literature
Strangle Them- Starve Them
Hold an election
Call it Democracy
I pledge allegiance to the United Sports Utility Vehicle of Der Father- der Home Land of the Fee
Home Land of Wage Slavery
Land of the Tidy White Bestiality
This Land of Pre-Ordained Brutality
This Land of Hyper-Tense Entreprenurial Mentality
Overthrow Castro
Overthrow Arbenz
Overthrow Mossadegh
Overthrow Chavez
Overthrow National Sovereignty
Overthrow Dignity
It is time to stop living
The Lie that is America- I Secede
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I wish I were young so I could learn to be a terrorist do plenty of drugs and be a mass murderer. Then if I get out in one piece and my body or brain isn't damaged, I will get my free education paid in full for killing the bad guys and then I can get married and start a family and raise some interesting children who might hopefully grow up just like good old dad. With some better drugs they maybe even a better killer than the old murderer himself Wow, that's exciting, kind of a spin off the Brady Bunch, wouldn't you say? We could save more money if we trained those real criminal in prison as they are already trained and on drugs and as long as they keep killing those bad guys of our choosing they can remain free out of prison. If they get killed the taxpayers doesn't have to foot the bill for their exacution, and the Court System can get all the replacements they want just by making a few extra laws for more arrest and deny them bail like they all do anyway. There are plenty of poor people to replace them and if we run short just let more illegals in the Country and the rich guys would never have to get hurt or dirty while improving their bottom line. Like killing two birds while getting stoned.
We could start more wars and investors would score big while stealing the bad guys recources in the name of freedom. I feel so Patriotic don't you?
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The cheapest and best thing the Defense Department can do to "protect troops against 'stress-related psychopathologies" is to not send them to war! I can't think of anything much more morally repugnant than denying any man or woman of the pain of war. Not only could I not support the administration in charge of the military, but in this case I could not support the troop who would willingly inoculate themselves to their humanity.
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Anybody watched the PREDATOR movies lately?
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yet inexplicably, progressives/libertarian isolationists are blind to the unabated nuclear proliferation that is present today.
the same ideologues that railed against nuclear weaponry during the cold war are surprisingly silent to the proliferation of WMD, most notably nuclear, among volatile, faith based, and unaccountable third world nations.
it is lunacy that progressives has undermined the global effort to check the dangerous continued spread of fissile material, nuclear technology, and nuclear weaponry.
the lynchpin of the progressive ideology is to discount and disregard nuclear proliferation!!
insane -- this is why a democrat must never be voted into the white house again.
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Mmmmmm . . . dextroamphetamine . . . harhlhlrhlrhlr.
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As with 600 Spaniards overcoming tens of thousands of Incas with blunderbusses
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Yeah, Bush uses scare tactics to justify creating a police state so that if/when it all goes bad and WE become THE ENEMY, the ruling class can manage to stay intact and comfortable. What an illusion! The point is, just because he tries to get us to overreact to fear, doesn't mean we're not incedibly vulnerable in a world of THE NEW WARFARE.
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I'm moving to another galaxy. Humans suck.
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Daily Mail May 4, 2008
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British defence giant BAE Systems
is creating a series of tiny
electronic spiders, insects and
snakes that could become the eyes
and ears of soldiers on the
battlefield. As in minority report,
the robots will be released in a
swarm into the building to relay
images back to the soldiers'
hand-held or wrist-mounted
computers, warning them of...
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Troops to use electronic insects to spot enemy 'by end of the
year'
By DANIEL COCHLIN -
Last updated at 16:32pm on 4th May 2008
Plans for a robot that can crawl like a spider are 'well developed' It may have
seemed like just another improbable scene from a Hollywood sci-fi flick – Tom
Cruise battling against an army of robotic spiders intent on hunting him down.
But the storyline from Minority Report may not be quite as far fetched as it
sounds.
British defence giant BAE Systems is creating a series of tiny electronic spiders,
insects and snakes that could become the eyes and ears of soldiers on the
battlefield, helping to save thousands of lives.
Prototypes could be on the front line by the end of the year, scuttling into potential
danger areas such as booby-trapped buildings or enemy hideouts to relay images
back to troops safely positioned nearby.
Soldiers will carry the robots into combat and use a small tracked vehicle to
transport them closer to their targets.
Then they would swarm into the building and relay images back to the soldiers'
hand-held or wrist-mounted computers, warning them of any threats inside.
BAE Systems has just signed a £19million contract to develop the robots for the
US Army.
Researchers hope they will eventually create machines that can fly like a butterfly
Plans for a creature that can crawl like a spider are said to be well developed, and
researchers eventually hope to be able to create creatures that can slither like a
snake or fly like a dragonfly.
While some of the creatures will be fitted with small cameras, others will be
equipped with sensors that will be able to detect the presence of chemical,
biological or radioactive weapons.
A computer-generated video from BAE Systems shows the tiny invaders being
released by a soldier, before scouting out a suspect building, which is finally blown
up by ground forces.
BAE Systems scientists from the UK and America plan an army of the electronic
bugs, and have ambitions to equip every front-line soldier with them.
Programme manager Steve Scalera was inspired by the way creatures use their
senses to detect danger.
Promotional video shows a 'bug' being sent into a danger zone in a special vehicle
"What we are doing is providing an enhanced awareness for soldiers, basically an
extension to their eyes and ears," he said.
"The creatures have external sensors. They can be tossed out into a building or a
cave or even a pile of rubble and then send images back to the troops.
Pictures from the bug are beamed back to the operator, allowing the target to be
blown up
"The idea is to get a number of these working together – some tiny, some maybe
up to a foot in length, and all going into a building together carrying out different
tasks. Eventually we hope to have animals flying and slithering.
"The five-year programme has just started but we could have them with soldiers
within six months, and then continue to develop the concept as the project goes
along."
Despite the high-tech gadgetry involved, BAE Systems insists once production is
in full swing, each bug will cost no more than £100 to produce.
The Ministry of Defence declined to comment.
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I expect this is all for the purpose of gearing up against the enemy which will be everywhere against everyone, i.e., the "long war" against radical Islam which can be expected to extend far beyond Iraq and Afghanistan and to the Muslim world at large, including Islamic diaspora communities in Europe that are growing and becoming increasingly radicalized, and as a cautionary measure against Russia which is once again staking its claim to a prominent position on the global stage. Of course, we cannot be expected to "win" any of these wars.
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» But it also allows for combat against 1st world countries too
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Hundreds killed by US strikes in Sadr City
Pepe Escobar: New strategy to fight resistance--Wall-in a section of the city and bomb it, Friday May 2nd, 2008, The Real News.
(transcript, if you don't want to see Sadr residents bleeding to death):
PEPE ESCOBAR, THE REAL NEWS ANALYST: It’s been five years since George W. Bush proclaimed Mission Accomplished in Iraq. Now take a very good look at these images. Yes, they are disturbing. You won’t see them on Western TV networks. And no, there’s not a hint of mission accomplished about them.
These are innocent civilians-– poor Shi’ite Arabs living in the three million-strong Sadr City in Baghdad, one of the largest slums in the world. As The Real News has reported Sadr City is being walled in–- transformed into a gulag, and pounded relentlessly by US air strikes. The Pentagon-–and the Iraqi government–-say they are “protecting the Green Zone” by attacking Sadr City. . .As if that traumatic scene of the helicopter leaving the roof of the US embassy in Saigon in 1975 was rattling too many military minds.
1745 Iraqi civilians were killed in April-– against 159 policemen and 104 soldiers. Over 400 people were killed in Sadr City alone. Only 10% were guerrillas.
This carnage is a direct consequence of Dick Cheney’s recent tour of the Middle East, Iraq included. This carnage is a direct consequence of Gen. David Petraeus’ surge. These are victims of a vicious political battle between the al-Maliki government in Baghdad, supported by the al-Hakim family, and the US, against Muqtada al-Sadr, who they fear will win the next elections in October-–because, of course, he is immensely popular.
And in the big picture, these deaths are a graphic example of how the sophisticated Pentagon machine plans to deal with “problematic” urban slums in the future. We wall them, we isolate them, and we bomb the hell out of them. Who cares about collateral damage? It may be very harsh to say, but that's how it is.
As far as drugs for soldiers for relief of traumatic stress, they - the soldiers, not the doctors - have already discovered the oldest standbys - heroin, opium, booze, and cannabis - cannabis probably being the safest knockout drug.
Given the noted associations between suicide, reckless behavior and the SSRI drugs like Prozac and Paxil, soldiers should probably never be placed on those drugs. Heroin is a far safer alternative, and cannabis even safer(less addictive) than that.
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P.S.: Even some of the Bush puppets being hired have turned against him even as they were prepared to lose their jobs in the process.
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Where is the morality and justice angle?
The article cavalierly talks about the types of war we "fear" we'll be fighting in the future?
What?! The US worships and relishes war and conflict. We are the world's aggressor! The US is the world's torturing empire, killing hundreds of thousands of innocents so we can steal their resources to maintain our unsustainable lifestyle and standard of living.
Why isn't this article permeated with value judgements about the underlying criminality of US foreign policy?
Typical liberal rubbish. Gripe about the tree but miss the forest...
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A fallacy Americans are not just worried about th eamericna Toll of War - but All Deaths resulting from War.
Just like Scalia's deadly Flawed logic regading torture vs Punishment- the Results are the Same.
Of course that would explain why Americans are suddenly suffering from 'Depression and Anxiety' so they can Medicate US too. Not to mention the Demand we 'reproduce' like live stock whether we want to or not- Abstenence Education, the Fall of Roe v Wade. Commodities for the future Global Auction Block. Drug 'em and Sell 'em
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SOLDIER - with Kurt Russell
UNIVERSAL SOLDIER - Jean Claude Van Damme
OUTER LIMITS - the old series, featuring Michael Ansara.
The future, er, the present, is looking scary!!!!
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» Extremely relevant critique.
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As far as accountability is concerned, my comment would be; what accountability? The
military operates under an ever growing veil of secrecy for what....fun? When it does get caught with its pants down it is a simple matter to find some underling to take the blame. Thus having been held "accountable" business proceeds as usual.
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Big Pharma rules the nation. Big Pharma writes policy. Big Pharma + Pentagon Budget = Enhanced Soldiers.
As the climate changes we will need soldiers who are able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. After all, who's going to keep all those environmental refugees inside those gigantic fenced off areas that Halliburton built?
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On page 62, the report described America's future soldiers, saying they would "operate in encapsulated climate-controlled, powered fighting suits laced with sensors and boasting chameleon-like active camouflage. Skin-patch pharmaceuticals would help regulate fear, focus concentration and enhance endurance and strength."
The goal of a robotic mercenary army, according to the report, would be to insure the United States remained the "world's dominate military power" and primary enforcer of "global security order."
Another essential part of PNAC's goal of unmatched military superiority is a nuclear umbrella over the Middle East, with the ability to launch first-strike, atomic warfare against rogue Muslim nations.
That's exactly what Hillary has proposed -- the ability to "obliterate" Iran (her words), killing millions of innocent human beings should Tehran attack Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Israel.
I'm sorry, Clinton fans, but Mrs. Strangelove (Hillary) is either a liar or crazier than hell. Along with PNAC member John McCain, she is the LAST person who should be our commander-in-chief.
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the kill chain is diluted, so too is accountability. The future's
soldier could be one surrounded by an inveigling haze of
pharmaceuticals, decision-making robots, errant bombs and faulty
surveillance data; the only thing to emerge from this haze will be
an exhilarating sense of our own guiltlessness. Alas, the
populations against which we use our fancy toys are unlikely to
share in the feeling."
The above is perfectly false. The truth is: once the human is
removed from the kill zone, you don't have to shoot at anything
that moves. Since robots don't have a self preservation instinct or
fear or terror or pain, you can take the time required to determine
what it is that is moving. Robotization of the battlefield will
reduce enemy casualties. If the enemy shoots at a robot, who
cares? He is wasting his ammunition. The robot is a lot more
difficult to destroy or even injure that a soldier wearing all of that
armor. A robot is also much more powerful, faster, quicker, more
accurate and so on. If you want to make the robot destroy the
weapon, not the man, you can do so. That having been said, I
would never in this century give a robot the authority to use lethal
force without human permission. There must always be a human
in the loop. I strongly advocate a law mandating a human in the
loop because soldiers have asked the engineers to make a
completely autonomous mobile armed robot. While I was
working for the Army weapons lab, I was able to dissuade them.
Now that I am retired, we need a law.
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» But the robots will refuse to fire at Americans.
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» Surgical implantation of an RFID: You have to join up first.
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» Robot, ethics and the motive of war
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» EXCELLENT POINT
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» So you admit that people are the problem, not the robots.
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Propanolol is one of the beta-blocker class of drugs. They have many negative side effects:
"Adverse drug reactions (ADRs) associated with the use of beta blockers include: nausea, diarrhea, bronchospasm, dyspnea, cold extremities, exacerbation of Raynaud's syndrome, bradycardia, hypotension, heart failure, heart block, fatigue, dizziness, abnormal vision, decreased concentration, hallucinations, insomnia, nightmares, clinical depression, sexual dysfunction, erectile dysfunction and/or alteration of glucose and lipid metabolism. Mixed α1/β-antagonist therapy is also commonly associated with orthostatic hypotension. Carvedilol therapy is commonly associated with edema.[3]
Central nervous system (CNS) adverse effects (hallucinations, insomnia, nightmares, depression) are more common in agents with greater lipid solubility, which are able to cross the blood-brain barrier into the CNS. Similarly, CNS adverse effects are less common in agents with greater aqueous solubility (listed below)."
Many soldiers who came back from Vietnam found a far better medication: cannabis - whose side effects include minor things like dry mouth, drowsiness and appetite stimulation.
Unfortunately, many other Vietnam vets also found that heroin and opiate drugs could numb their grief and trauma very effectively - leading to the high incidence of heroin addiction among troops in South East Asia and also veterans in the U.S.
The use of Propanolol as a PTSD treatment is still entirely experimental - in other words, troops are being used as guinea pigs (no surprises there - look at all the vaccines they're forced to take that haven't been approved by the FDA). The normal uses of beta blockers are for heart disorders and high blood pressure! It has serious side effects on the fetus.
All in all, it sounds like a bad idea.
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http://www.comw.org/rma
/fulltext/overview.html
http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/
Parameters/00autumn/metz.htm
The Next Twist of the RMA by Steven Metz
Imagine further: The disease isn't lethal. It only modifies the
mind. Nano-robots will be able to do it. Future wars may have
ZERO casualties. Future wars could be direct elite versus elite
events, leaving the commoners out of it.
Imagine less far: An intermediate step: Micro-robots the size and
shape of insects will be able to locate individuals and
communicate their location or neutralize individuals or jam and
disable weapons. Imagine metal insects able to find explosives
and cause them to detonate with no apparent cause. Suicide
bombers would never have a chance to finish making a bomb.
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» One of my favorite contractors, BAE is working on it already.
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If the Lord's Resistance Army putting guns in the hands of abducted 10 year old boys and a few girls is a war crime, why not this too? War becomes much more reduced to taking a normal human, roboticizing him with meds and throwing him away when he stops working.
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older generation of soldiers who have no or wrong concepts of
robots. There are now tens of thousands of robots in Iraq, mostly
armed and mobile. Our young soldiers are learning what a robot
is and how to use it. The enhanced human soldier will be
overtaken by events and will never actually happen. You can quit
worrying about those enhancing drugs and so on.
The draft board is obsolete.
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alone for a human soldier.
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Posted by: atheistcable on May 3, 2008 12:49 PM
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. . . is religion. Religion is responsible for Overpopulation. Overpopulation causes people to fight over limited resources.
Religion is superstition and ideology, which includes Communism which thrives best in the absence of intellectual freedom (press, speech, access to the Internet).
Religion is also about Men amassing armed power, keeping people ignorant to better rule over them.
Atheists, on the other hand, are about peacefully solving problems without causing human suffering and death. And yet, the unsophisticated masses here in America love their religion and love war. When Bush declared war against Iraq, this religious country gave Bush the highest approval rating in history. And the Christians voted for him for four more years. As long as the religious population embraces the Bible, there will be wars and rumors of wars.
We live in a very sick country--sick because religion is a disease of the mind. The symptoms are irrational behavior and there is nothing rational or necessary about warfare.
Instead of sending armies of soldiers abroad to kill people and render their nations in utter ruins, as we have Iraq, we should be exchanging teachers of science and culture so that we may educate the people of the world about science and rational thinking.
Most Americans don't know about the wealth of knowledge held by people of other countries. If we did launch an education program unilaterally, there would be opposition from the leaders of other countries. But if we encouraged a Peace Corps in all countries, and have teachers of those countries come to America to teach us about their culture, I think there would be less resistance to what they would otherwise call "Western Imperialism."
When we open lines of communication with people of other countries, there would be more resistance to killing people we know something about, less likely Americans would vote for a person like G Bush.
Every high school in America should have at least one scholar of another country teach a course (required) in their country's history and culture. I would rather have my taxes pay for education, than for war. It's worth a try, and I think Barack Obama would be more inclined to such a program than would other candidates for the White House.
Probably the most important step in the Scientific Method is publication. Whether the physical sciences or the social sciences, science cannot proceed without total freedom of intellectual expression. This is why Communism cannot be equated to atheism. Stalin was educated in a seminary: "At the age of 16, he enrolled at the Georgian Orthodox Seminary of Tiflis (Tbilisi, Georgia)."--Wikipedia
Stalin was no Abraham Maslow! Stalin was no social scientist! I have seen the effects of Catholic Seminary training on those who later left the Church, but retained anti-Semitic attitudes. Communism is an ideology like Catholicism, Mormonism, Islamism, etc.
Let's take two sentences from Wikipedia on the Ayatollah Khomeini.
"In January 1963, the Shah announced the "White Revolution," a six-point program of reform calling for land reform, nationalization of the forests, the sale of state-owned enterprises to private interests, electoral changes to enfranchise women and allow non-Muslims to hold office, profit-sharing in industry, and a literacy campaign in the nation's schools. Some of these initiatives were regarded as dangerous, Westernizing trends by traditionalists, especially by the powerful and privileged Shiite ulama (religious scholars)."
Now tell me that religion--all religions--are not the problem?
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» RE: Root causes of war . . . and much more!
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» And religion is caused by insanity, ignorance, and the like
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» Science is indeed the cure for religion.
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» Democratic peace theory 101 for progressives.
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Posted by: chlamor on May 3, 2008 3:15 PM
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Welcome to the Hyper-White Techno-Evangelical Inquisition.
80 billion additional dollars to the War for Lockheed-Halliburton
now up to a trillion $$$$ for The War- for the Brown&Root- for the Dyncorp
in addition to the regular 800 million $$$ or so a minute for the
Narcotics Trafficking- CIA- Military- Industrial- World's Greatest Polluter- Criminal Think Tank Complex
Small scale tactical nuclear weapons cocktails
served up to brown skinned children
with distended bellies;
by well-manicured over-fed barbarians in Citadels and Mansions
by their servants in Political Board Rooms
with distended bellies
With 725 military bases
With 350 outposts
In 137 countries
In Every jungle
In Every tree
All baby-faced tamarinds run for cover, hiding in their mother's breasts
America- A fundamentally sick society
America- A culture of conquest
Get out of Iraq Get out of Viet Nam
America get out of Colombia
America get off the Rez
America get out of Afghanistan
America get out of etcetera
America, a fundamentally sick society.
Welcome to Plastic Racist Nation
Welcome to McAmeriWal-Martika
Germany- The Fatherland
America- The Homeland
Welcome to Soft Fascism
General Reinhard Gehlen head of German military intelligence on the Eastern front and his network of spies and terrorists were brought over to the USA after World War 2 in the now well known Operation Paperclip. From these advisers and functionaries Allen Dulles, copying many of the methods utilized by the likes of Herr Gehlen, shaped what we now know to be the CIA.
Instruments of Statecraft
Counterinsurgency Literature
Strangle Them- Starve Them
Hold an election
Call it Democracy
I pledge allegiance to the United Sports Utility Vehicle of Der Father- der Home Land of the Fee
Home Land of Wage Slavery
Land of the Tidy White Bestiality
This Land of Pre-Ordained Brutality
This Land of Hyper-Tense Entreprenurial Mentality
Overthrow Castro
Overthrow Arbenz
Overthrow Mossadegh
Overthrow Chavez
Overthrow National Sovereignty
Overthrow Dignity
It is time to stop living
The Lie that is America- I Secede
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» Chronological list of US interventions Part One
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» I REALLY DO WISH
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Posted by: westomoon on May 3, 2008 3:24 PM
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Posted by: sp00n67 on May 3, 2008 3:48 PM
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I wish I were young so I could learn to be a terrorist do plenty of drugs and be a mass murderer. Then if I get out in one piece and my body or brain isn't damaged, I will get my free education paid in full for killing the bad guys and then I can get married and start a family and raise some interesting children who might hopefully grow up just like good old dad. With some better drugs they maybe even a better killer than the old murderer himself Wow, that's exciting, kind of a spin off the Brady Bunch, wouldn't you say? We could save more money if we trained those real criminal in prison as they are already trained and on drugs and as long as they keep killing those bad guys of our choosing they can remain free out of prison. If they get killed the taxpayers doesn't have to foot the bill for their exacution, and the Court System can get all the replacements they want just by making a few extra laws for more arrest and deny them bail like they all do anyway. There are plenty of poor people to replace them and if we run short just let more illegals in the Country and the rich guys would never have to get hurt or dirty while improving their bottom line. Like killing two birds while getting stoned.
We could start more wars and investors would score big while stealing the bad guys recources in the name of freedom. I feel so Patriotic don't you?
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Posted by: willymack on May 3, 2008 5:29 PM
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» COULD WE TELL
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Posted by: pdxstudent on May 3, 2008 6:48 PM
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The cheapest and best thing the Defense Department can do to "protect troops against 'stress-related psychopathologies" is to not send them to war! I can't think of anything much more morally repugnant than denying any man or woman of the pain of war. Not only could I not support the administration in charge of the military, but in this case I could not support the troop who would willingly inoculate themselves to their humanity.
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Posted by: smendler on May 3, 2008 8:47 PM
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Anybody watched the PREDATOR movies lately?
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Posted by: EagleX on May 3, 2008 9:11 PM
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yet inexplicably, progressives/libertarian isolationists are blind to the unabated nuclear proliferation that is present today.
the same ideologues that railed against nuclear weaponry during the cold war are surprisingly silent to the proliferation of WMD, most notably nuclear, among volatile, faith based, and unaccountable third world nations.
it is lunacy that progressives has undermined the global effort to check the dangerous continued spread of fissile material, nuclear technology, and nuclear weaponry.
the lynchpin of the progressive ideology is to discount and disregard nuclear proliferation!!
insane -- this is why a democrat must never be voted into the white house again.
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» You are living proof Eagle that some rightwingers still believe this war is about WMDs.
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» I regret to say that you are right..............
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Posted by: Scientz on May 4, 2008 7:46 AM
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Mmmmmm . . . dextroamphetamine . . . harhlhlrhlrhlr.
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Posted by: GPFrank on May 4, 2008 12:32 PM
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As with 600 Spaniards overcoming tens of thousands of Incas with blunderbusses
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Posted by: daw13 on May 5, 2008 6:39 AM
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Yeah, Bush uses scare tactics to justify creating a police state so that if/when it all goes bad and WE become THE ENEMY, the ruling class can manage to stay intact and comfortable. What an illusion! The point is, just because he tries to get us to overreact to fear, doesn't mean we're not incedibly vulnerable in a world of THE NEW WARFARE.
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Posted by: audiodef on May 5, 2008 10:56 AM
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I'm moving to another galaxy. Humans suck.
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Daily Mail May 4, 2008
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British defence giant BAE Systems
is creating a series of tiny
electronic spiders, insects and
snakes that could become the eyes
and ears of soldiers on the
battlefield. As in minority report,
the robots will be released in a
swarm into the building to relay
images back to the soldiers'
hand-held or wrist-mounted
computers, warning them of...
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
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technology.html?in_article_id
=563786&in_page_id=1965
Troops to use electronic insects to spot enemy 'by end of the
year'
By DANIEL COCHLIN -
Last updated at 16:32pm on 4th May 2008
Plans for a robot that can crawl like a spider are 'well developed' It may have
seemed like just another improbable scene from a Hollywood sci-fi flick – Tom
Cruise battling against an army of robotic spiders intent on hunting him down.
But the storyline from Minority Report may not be quite as far fetched as it
sounds.
British defence giant BAE Systems is creating a series of tiny electronic spiders,
insects and snakes that could become the eyes and ears of soldiers on the
battlefield, helping to save thousands of lives.
Prototypes could be on the front line by the end of the year, scuttling into potential
danger areas such as booby-trapped buildings or enemy hideouts to relay images
back to troops safely positioned nearby.
Soldiers will carry the robots into combat and use a small tracked vehicle to
transport them closer to their targets.
Then they would swarm into the building and relay images back to the soldiers'
hand-held or wrist-mounted computers, warning them of any threats inside.
BAE Systems has just signed a £19million contract to develop the robots for the
US Army.
Researchers hope they will eventually create machines that can fly like a butterfly
Plans for a creature that can crawl like a spider are said to be well developed, and
researchers eventually hope to be able to create creatures that can slither like a
snake or fly like a dragonfly.
While some of the creatures will be fitted with small cameras, others will be
equipped with sensors that will be able to detect the presence of chemical,
biological or radioactive weapons.
A computer-generated video from BAE Systems shows the tiny invaders being
released by a soldier, before scouting out a suspect building, which is finally blown
up by ground forces.
BAE Systems scientists from the UK and America plan an army of the electronic
bugs, and have ambitions to equip every front-line soldier with them.
Programme manager Steve Scalera was inspired by the way creatures use their
senses to detect danger.
Promotional video shows a 'bug' being sent into a danger zone in a special vehicle
"What we are doing is providing an enhanced awareness for soldiers, basically an
extension to their eyes and ears," he said.
"The creatures have external sensors. They can be tossed out into a building or a
cave or even a pile of rubble and then send images back to the troops.
Pictures from the bug are beamed back to the operator, allowing the target to be
blown up
"The idea is to get a number of these working together – some tiny, some maybe
up to a foot in length, and all going into a building together carrying out different
tasks. Eventually we hope to have animals flying and slithering.
"The five-year programme has just started but we could have them with soldiers
within six months, and then continue to develop the concept as the project goes
along."
Despite the high-tech gadgetry involved, BAE Systems insists once production is
in full swing, each bug will cost no more than £100 to produce.
The Ministry of Defence declined to comment.
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