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Corporate America Hearts Obama
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Barack Obama's campaign message, filled with lofty promises of change and hope, is also filled with repeated reassurances to the corporate elite. Pick up a copy of Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope." The subtext is clear. It is a steady reminder to corporate America, a reminder bolstered by Obama's voting record, that corporations would have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.
"Of course," he writes, "there are those within the Democratic Party who tend toward similar zealotry. But those who do have never come close to possessing the power of a Rove or a DeLay, the power to take over the party, fill it with loyalists, and enshrine some of their more radical ideas into law. The prevalence of regional, ethnic, and economic differences within the party, the electoral map and the structure of the Senate, the need to raise money from economic elites to finance elections -- all these things tend to prevent Democrats in office from straying too far from the center. In fact, I know very few elected Democrats who neatly fit the liberal caricature; the last I checked, John Kerry believes in maintaining the superiority of the U.S. military, Hillary Clinton believes in the virtues of capitalism, and just about every member of the Congressional Black Caucus believes Jesus Christ died for his or her sins."
He praises the "recognizably progressive" Bill Clinton, whose disastrous welfare reform he lauds, for showing that "government spending and regulation could, if properly designed, serve as vital ingredients and not inhibitors to economic growth, and how markets and fiscal discipline could help promote social justice. He recognized that not only societal responsibility but personal responsibility was needed to combat poverty." Obama excoriates "those who still champion the old-time religion, defending every New Deal and Great Society program from Republican encroachment, achieving ratings of 100 percent from the liberal interest groups. But these efforts seem exhausted, a constant game of defense, bereft of energy and new ideas needed to address the changing circumstances of globalization or a stubbornly isolated inner city."
"Our Constitution places the ownership of private property at the very heart of our system of liberty," he writes. "Our religious traditions celebrate the value of hard work and express the conviction that a virtuous life will result in material reward. Rather than vilify the rich, we hold them up as role models, and our mythology is steeped in stories of men on the make -- the immigrant who comes to this country with nothing and strikes it big, the young man who heads West in search of his fortune. As Ted Turner famously said, in America money is how we keep score."
The corporations have gotten the message. The same Beltway lobbyists, corporate donors and public relations firms, the same weapons manufacturers, defense contractors, nuclear power companies and Wall Street interests that give Clinton and John McCain money, give Obama money. They happen, in fact, to give Obama more. And the corporate state, which is carrying out a coup d'état in slow motion, believes it will prosper in Obama's hands. If not, he would not be a viable candidate. We have come full circle, back to the age of the robber barons and railroad magnates of the late 19th century who selected members of corrupt state assemblies to be their pliable senators and congressmen and sent them off to Washington to do their bidding.
There have been some important investigations into Obama's links with major corporations, including Ken Silverstein's November 2006 article "Barack Obama Inc: The Birth of a Washington Machine" in Harper's magazine. Newsweek has also detailed many of Obama's major corporate contributors. Obama's Leadership PAC includes John Gorman of Texas-based Tejas Securities, a major supporter of Senate Democrats as well as the Bush presidential campaigns. It includes Winston & Strawn, the Chicago-based law and lobbying firm. It also includes the corporate law firms Kirkland & Ellis, and Skadden, Arps, where four attorneys are fundraisers for Obama as well as donors. Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, and Henry Crown and Co., an investment firm that has stakes in industries ranging from telecommunications to defense, are all funding the Illinois senator.
Individual contributors to Obama come from major lobbyist groups such as those of Jeffrey Peck (whose clients include MasterCard, the Business Roundtable and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce) and Rich Tarplin (Chevron, the American Petroleum Institute and the National Association of Manufacturers). Exelon, a leading nuclear plant operator, based in Illinois, is a long-time donor to the Obama campaign. Exelon executives and employees have contributed at least $227,000 to Obama's campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fundraisers. Obama has also accepted more than $213,000 from individuals (and their spouses) who work for companies in the oil and gas industry, and two of Obama's bundlers are senior oil company executives who have raised between $50,000 and $100,000. I could go on, but you get the point.
Obama, as you will see if you examine his voting record, has repeatedly rewarded those who reward him. As a senator he has promoted nuclear energy as "green." He has been lauded by the nuclear power industry, which is determined to resume building nuclear power plants across the country. He has voted to continue to fund the Iraq war. He opposed Rep. John Murtha's call for immediate withdrawal. He refused to join the 13 senators who voted against confirming Condoleezza Rice as secretary of state. He voted in July 2005 to reauthorize the Patriot Act. He did not support an amendment that was part of a bankruptcy bill that would have capped credit card interest rates at 30 percent. He opposed a bill that would have reformed the notorious Mining Law of 1872. He did not support the single-payer health care bill HR676, sponsored by Reps. Dennis Kucinich and John Conyers. He supports the death penalty. He worked tirelessly in the Senate in 2005 to pass a class-action "reform" bill that was part of a large lobbying effort by financial firms, which make up Obama's second-biggest single bloc of donors. The law, with the Orwellian title the Class Action Fairness Act (CAFA), would effectively shut down state courts as a venue to hear most class-action lawsuits. This has long been a cherished goal of large corporations as well as the Bush administration. It effectively denies redress in many of the courts where these cases have a chance of defying powerful corporate challenges. It moves these cases into corporate-friendly federal courts dominated by Republican judges. Even Hillary Clinton voted against this naked effort to allow corporations to carry out flagrant discrimination, consumer fraud and wage-and-hour violations.
Obama likes to paint himself as an opponent of the war. He reminds voters of his one -- and only one -- speech opposing it. But he swiftly changed his mind. Obama told the Chicago Tribune on July 27, 2004, that "there's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who's in a position to execute." Obama added that he "now believes U.S. forces must remain to stabilize the war-ravaged nation, a policy not dissimilar to the current approach of the Bush administration." Obama wants to leave an estimated 50,000 troops in Iraq to protect our superbases and the Green Zone, our imperial city, to fight terrorism, and to train Iraqi forces. He traveled to Connecticut to campaign on behalf of Sen. Joseph Lieberman, a leading proponent of the war and an advocate of airstrikes against Iran, when Lieberman was challenged by the anti-war candidate Ned Lamont. And when Obama talks about the Palestinians he reads dutifully from the script handed to him by Lieberman and the Israel lobbying group AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
Obama's policy director is Karen Kornbluh, who as a senior aide to Robert Rubin, the head of the Treasury Department during the Clinton administration, pushed through NAFTA and other free-trade policies that unleashed the assault on organized labor and devastated the country's manufacturing sector. And Obama's senior economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, who teaches economics at the University of Chicago, privately assured Canada's consul general in Chicago in February that Obama's NAFTA-bashing "should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans," according to a leaked memo of the meeting. Most of Obama's senior advisers, including Penny Pritzker, a member of one of America's richest families and the current finance chair of the campaign, have a long history of oiling the government apparatus for corporate interests and personal enrichment. Pritzker was the chair of Superior Bank of Chicago. The bank collapsed in 2001 with over $1 billion in insured and uninsured deposits, and 1,406 people lost nearly all their savings. The bank owners, who fabricated profit reports, made much of their money promoting risky subprime home mortgages. Those around Obama are as wedded to corporate interests as those around Clinton and McCain.
Obama is an articulate, intelligent and attractive politician, but he is also a corporate figurehead. A vote for Obama is a vote for the corporate state. Under an Obama administration, the corporations would continue their ruthless drive to disempower the citizens, to protect an entrenched American oligarchy and to subvert what is left of our faltering democracy.
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» Wow--are you ever high!
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» Obama is not the messiah (No, but he's still part of the problem)
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» Wrong: Obama just said he "will take no options off the table" & that includes nukes
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» Your attempt at failed logic is frightening
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» RE: Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» according to an alternet article, he would use nuclear weapons
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» RE: Obama is not the messiah
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» No one who supports Obama calls him Messiah.
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» Of course he is not the messiah, Obama is the anti-Christ!
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» RE: Of course he is not the messiah, Obama is the anti-Christ!
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» We don't need a messiah, we need a president!
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 30, 2008 1:16 AM
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Direct Democracy
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Posted by: Rune on Apr 30, 2008 1:19 AM
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"“When we set truth on its head we usually fail to notice that our head too is not standing where it ought to stand.”
I find it fascinating to see so many people who go out of their way to bash the religious while proclaiming their own superior grasp of facts and rationality continue to invest their faith in Obama as some sort of "once in a lifetime" agent for progressive change when the facts and the trajectory of his career so clearly say otherwise. As the man of faith who was, until very recently, Obama's pastor (recent revisionist history for political ends notwithstanding) noted, Obama is a politician and he makes the sort of politically calculated decisions and statements (and reversal of statements) that are common to most politicians. If this was not obvious, a fair reading of this excellent essay and a check of its facts should make it so.
“When we have to change our minds about a person, we hold the inconvenience he causes us very much against him.”
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» RE: God is dead, again. And again, many people go on believing and the spirit lingers with them.
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» I guess I should explain the "god is dead" reference
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Posted by: Rune on Apr 30, 2008 1:35 AM
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"His message of hope and change is beginning to sound like a broken record. Phrases like "We are the ones we've been waiting for" sound lofty at first, but they eventually lose their appeal.
Nevertheless, the debate that has now begun comes too late for Hillary Clinton. [. . .] A vote by superdelegates against Obama would set off shock waves within American society, with incalculable consequences. Young people would be outraged, intellectuals would be bitter and violence could erupt in predominantly black urban neighborhoods around the country."
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» Of all the posters, only one of them posted the same misinformation in reply to every comment.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 30, 2008 2:07 AM
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I miss John Edwards ... and I'll bet many of you do too.
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» In his last 29 Alternet articles, Hillary-troll Hedges NEVER criticized her. So much for...
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» But Alternet has run dozens of articles about Clinton, most of which were negative and critical
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» Obama has raised more corporate cash than Clinton or McCain
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: gabemott on Apr 30, 2008 2:10 AM
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And, that's not the point. You're missing the train. I've been with Kucinich for years, also respect my conservative relatives on the midland farms, believe in progressivism, equal rights, health care for all. I've been pretty liberal my whole life.
Obama is not offering revolution. And unless you are ready to stop paying taxes as a start, neither are you.
No he's not going to destroy Walmart in a day. He's not going to demand payments from the rich to the poor. He's not going to radically shift America's demographic conscience today.
I've always argued for people's right to vote how they feel-- if they wanted Nader, or want Hillary now, I fundamentally believe that democracy only works if people feel free to vote for who they want to win. I support that.
And I'm voting for Obama. Obama has a right vision for our future. He allows us to see our own role in the outcome. He calls on the better part of ourselves to rise up.
I don't expect him to immediately attack corporations. That's a job for the people. If you expect to elect a president that is going to take down capitalism, you shouldn't vote and you shouldn't give the government any money. You should probably take over a media outlet, get some big guns, or get rich (being a capitalist) and buy the politicians.
Until then, we've got an option that for the first time in my 36 year old life, gives me tingles to think that he could be president. It's opportunity I'n not going to miss.
Get Aboard.
"If you can't get a board, get a shingle"
--my great uncle once removed when I was ten.
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: opmoc on Apr 30, 2008 3:26 AM
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As an example of change from within (much to the detriment) Tony Blair infiltrated the UK Labour Party with powerful speeches, soundbites and a new image - and very effectively turned it into a right wing corporate fascist party - that decimated the rights and political power of the ordinary working man.
The old UK Labour party would never have supported the War in Iraq - and would never have become a poodle of an extreme right wing US Government.
My view of Obama is that he offers real hope for change. But you can't change anything without power - and you can't attain power without the support of the rich powerful elite.
Its entirely possible that Obama might gradually move the balance away from the interests of the richest towards the great mass of humanity (ie everyone else).
Of course there is very little choice and democracy has become such an illusion, that I am very seriously considering never voting again.
But if I was a US citizen I would vote for Obama as a last desperate hope of pulling us all back from the brink.
America may not fully realise how desperately tarnished it's image has become since Bush gained power.
The World runs on image and perception. Electing a Black Man would send out a very powerful message to the World that America has changed for the better.
On the 1st January 2000 I could not possibly envisage the current state of World Tryanny achieved within 8 years of the New Millenium.
It is an absolutely appalling start and we should all feel completely ashamed that we have allowed it to happen.
We are all members of the human race - just look what we have done.
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: Jackdemocracy08 on Apr 30, 2008 3:28 AM
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If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama
If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com
It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Obama in office?!
Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It's that easy...
Clinton Supporters too …. !
It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?!
Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...
REALLY easy to identify the superdelegates and reach out to them! It includes a list of names, addresses, and affiliations of superdelegates from each state including your state
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» Wait: I thought you folks thought politicians had to live in the real world....
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: xi_people on Apr 30, 2008 3:34 AM
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I would love to see it. America deserves a "presidential" race between McCain and HillBilly. Let's face it, when it all comes down to the very basic essence of a people, Americans -- by and large -- are racist warmongers. That's the bottom line, and the two noted candidates fit that electorate to a "T".
I agree that Obama is a huge fraud. He spouts nothing but nebulous promises for "hope" that he'll never be able to keep. In addition, running for president is forcing him to abandon virtually all of the positive influences that nurtured and molded him as an individual. No one can last very long in such a state. The strongest individuals establish their personal bedrock of beliefs, and don't stray far from them. Trying to be everything to everybody is a recipe for disaster.
Having said all of that, Obama is certainly a better person than either HillBilly or McCain, but he is beholden to the same monied elite that they are. And he will do their bidding, make no mistake. He doesn't have a choice.
Thus, there are no viable candidates to lead the country back from the brink. The American "experiment" is finished -- killed off by rampant greed and corruption. All that remains is for it to become obvious to all but the most oblivious Faux-watcher.
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» YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: riotoustanpdx on Apr 30, 2008 3:39 AM
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Obama's lead comes from the caucus states, where far fewer voters were able to participate in the process; millions of eligible voters were excluded for lack of time to participate.
The reforms needed are not top-down, as we will have through the corporations, but grassroots, in spite of the dictates and the controlled marketplace of the corporations.
Obama will try to spoon feed us corporate "leadership" reforms? Only to the extent that those corporations continue to control the marketplace and the options that we are allowed. The real reforms can only come from greater degrees of self-autonomy, from having the option to produce our own goods, capture our own energy from the sun and wind, and build our own future environments.
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Posted by: lesterliu on Apr 30, 2008 3:41 AM
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Posted by: rozz62 on Apr 30, 2008 3:51 AM
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That’s what Obama gets for his support and defense of the Rev Wright. Obama stated in his speech“Wright is like an uncle you love and respect” As imperfect as he may be, he has been family to me for so many years, I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community” Obama is now declaring himself shocked and disappointed at Wright's unrepentantly racist and anti-American views? Obamas obviously support his feelings of anti-America and white hatred that the church endoreses to stay for 20 years also why would a parent continue to raise their young daughters in that atmosphere .Obama can no longer plausibly claim innocence in this matter, because he is the one who has encouraged Wright by trying to excuse and explain his views. All of this is why it is no use for Obama to backpedal from his association with Reverend Wright, or to denounce him now, six weeks too late. It was Obama who sought to provide the Reverend Wright with immunity from criticism--and he can't complain when the reverend tries to take full advantage of that immunity. This is the final collapse of the noble promise of the Obama campaign. The man who had once put himself forward as the candidate who would transcend racial politics once and for all has ended up legitimizing a Christian equivalent of Louis Farrakhan--and injecting him into the American political debate. Wright “Calls for Justice and Repair,” followed a statement in which he declared that “The Biblical principle of true repentance is that the offended party is given compensation to make up for that which has been stolen from them, the losses that have been inflicted upon them and their families.” A reparations plan for blacks could extract several trillion dollars from American taxpayers’ pockets. THERES ABSOLUTLY NO CHANGE WITH OBAMA
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» Enough already with this! Why do you fear black rage?
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Posted by: otto on Apr 30, 2008 4:43 AM
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 30, 2008 5:06 AM
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I voted for Kucinich in the MI Primary (rigged). But because of 'Money'he never got the chance to compete in later states. Now we are left with what the Monetary eelction has left US. This is not Democracy this is the one with the most $$$ wins- Buys the election.
I will support Obama, but will consider Paul if still allowed to be on the ballot.
Mac & Hillary -I know Far Too Much about, and have Seen Who they work for and Who they plead their Allegience to for far too long (Heckova Job on the Armed Services Com-con). It's going to be long long road back to the Ideals of Our founding Fathers (they couldnt even put it all together). I will take one step forward, the one that gets US back involved-whether he (they)likes it or not WE have been Re Engaged (Provoked- we are not 'bitter' we are Pissed!)
and Nadar again is just another Red Herring, an intentional 'spoiler', a Facade!
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» will consider Paul
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 30, 2008 5:34 AM
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Government and business aren't really all that seperate anymore.
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: marygold on Apr 30, 2008 6:08 AM
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Oh, and please don't imagine that anyone really believes that the coalition of corporations...the megatechnological juggernaut...can realistically be stopped by any peaceful means. I think they collectively have the NRA attitude going with regard to their perpetual money machines..."from my cold dead hands" will you pry my corporation...
cheers
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» RE: Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» The threat of nuclear war is worth repeating and repeating and repeating and...
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» I still hold out some hope that you are right
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» EXACTLY...The election game is just that, a game!!
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Posted by: Urstrly on Apr 30, 2008 6:21 AM
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None of the three remaining candidates is pure, but that doesn't make them all the same.
McCain seems to have forgotten every popularist sentiment that he ever voiced and to have reversed it with fervor. Who in America still believes that the free market can save us all? That tax cuts free up resources that trickle down? Only the players, and they'd rather have McCain than the others. Even with our economy in shambles, Bush/McCain can't admit how unbridled capitalism brought it on.
My question for Hedges would be: how do Obama and Clinton stack up against each other? Is the woman who served on Walmart's board and sucks up to Murdoch less corporately prone than Obama? Or equal? Does he believe that Obama would still be in the race if he had spoken like Edwards?
I'm not expecting a Second Coming if a Democrat gets elected, but let's not kid ourselves that it will make no difference. It was that argument that lost Al Gore the election.
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» RE: Obama Bashing
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Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 30, 2008 6:48 AM
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Spread the word:
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» RE: That's what I'm trying to warn people about Obama.
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» RE: That's what I'm trying to warn people about Obama.
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» RE: That's what I'm trying to warn people about Obama.
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» RE: That's what I'm trying to warn people about Obama.
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» Name one good thing Narcissist Nader has done for America since 2000? You can't!
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» First of all, you never gave him a chance ! And name me one thing the Democrats did for you !
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» Maxpayne and HughScott are BOTH McCain backers.
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» There goes TC again, hiding behind a fictitious user name to spread lies & discontent.
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» A Nader back is NOT NOT NOT a Mccain backer. You're the reason Democrats can ABUSE our votes !!
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» Would you two please get a room?
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» RE: Name one good thing Narcissist Nader has done for America since 2000? You can't!
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Posted by: wittler youth on Apr 30, 2008 7:02 AM
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 30, 2008 7:24 AM
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What about the Republicans? Think McCain, think the second Reagan term. Senility is already setting in - and let me just say that the image of Lieberman whispering in McCain's ear is unnerving. So are the recent Obama-Clinton debates - oh, how we miss the presence of Kucinich and Edwards in those debates - and why, oh why, not a Ron Paul - McCain debate?
Hedges doesn't understand much about this, poor thing. After all, the left is just as guilty as the right on this one. Pandering to the corporate media - which is a very large category, actually. Pacifica, home of "major corporate media critics Amy Goodman & Juan Gonzalez" is a non-profit corporate structure. They will be boosting Nader to the hilt, as usual, and trying to whip up enthusiasm for a major "might be violent" "Re-Create 68" protest at the Democratic campaign.
FOXBusiness is excited about that, because, quote,
"WASHINGTON -- Sen. John McCain has moved ahead of both of his potential Democratic rivals in a Zogby International poll that also includes independent Ralph Nader on the ballot. . . Consumer activist Nader polls at 6% in a general-election matchup between McCain and Clinton and at 5% in a McCain-Obama tilt. "Nader's presence in the race can potentially turn a lulu of a race into an absolute tizzy," said pollster John Zogby. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.
Maxpayne and other Nader boosters on this thread know this and are either strict Nader ideologues, or are in reality looking forward to a McCain victory.
Ever read Nader's WSJ piece on Bush in 2001? “If it took Richard Nixon to go to China, could George W. Bush be the president who ends corporate welfare as we know it?, March 7
After the stolen 2000 election, Nader didn't open his mouth to protest, and instead tried to give Bush legitimacy. He was running around saying "let's just give him a chance" and writing puff pieces like that WSJ article. He's burnt out & bitter, apparently more outraged at the Democratic side of the aisle than the Republican - it's as if he's so angry at being snubbed by the party that he'd rather see Bush and McCain in office than another Democrat.
Meanwhile, Obama and Hillary are so closely matched in policy that they rely on stupid, idiotic, inflammatory attacks on one another, led by Hillary, instead of any real discussion of the issues that matter to the public.
For example, see this from PR Watch:
The Associated Press reports, "Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are walking a delicate line as they promise to aggressively tackle global warming while trying to assure voters that they continue to believe in the future of coal. . . ."They keep using the term clean coal. They absolutely are pandering the coal industry's propaganda; there's no such animal as clean coal," said Brent Blackwelder, president of the environmental group Friends of the Earth. AP notes that Obama and Clinton's love affair with Big Coal pleases the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, a coal industry front group . . .
Keep in mind that the AP is now another Murdoch front, of course, and he wants a Republican robot in office.
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» Obama a "Republican robot"? Come on, TC -- you can do better than that!
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» McCain is the Republican robot, troll.
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» Oh, I thought that was Liddy Dole
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» Nader is irrelevant, as is much of this commentary, I believe
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» "Let none dare question Saint Amy and Prince Nader?" - nonsense.
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» Nonsense, indeed, to say nothing of more irrelevant comments
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» Media issues are definitely relevant in this picture! No one gets a "pass".
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» Well, dear sir, try this:
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» Smells like soup
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 30, 2008 7:42 AM
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» which is why it wasn't
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: witchjug on Apr 30, 2008 7:43 AM
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» RE: It is true, all true, but...
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» Don't Assume the Status Quo
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» REALITY: Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 30, 2008 8:24 AM
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We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death’s other Kingdom
Remember us—if at all—not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.
T.S. Eliot.
Why can't we have a Kucinich - Paul debate and ignore the rest of these godawful clowns for a little while? Of course Edwards was the best choice, but the voters bought into the corporate B.S., so here we are.
Personally, I blame the baby boomers and the corporate climbers for being so easily swayed by propaganda. Christ, what a bunch of Kool Aid-drinking swill-swallowers.
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» RE: A little tribute to McCain and Lieberman, and to all politicians of their caliber:
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Posted by: drfun on Apr 30, 2008 8:26 AM
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» Ofergawdsake
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» RE: Obama said he wants to be like Reagan and Bush 41 when it comes to foreign policy
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 30, 2008 8:55 AM
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On October 10, 2006, Alternet posted a Hedges piece titled, "Does Bush Think War with Iran Is Preordained?"
The subtitle said, "The Christian right sees an apocalyptic nuclear war with Iran as a vision set forth in the Bible. Bush himself may be a believer, too."
Pardon me, but Bush has NEVER threatened to nuke Iran. That warning came from Hillary who recently said she would "obliterate" the Muslim country (her words) if it attacked Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Israel. What wasn't Hedges outraged by that insane statement?
By not criticizing Mrs. Sniper Fire, Hedges has tacitly joined the Obama lynching campaign which continues.
For example, yesterday I watched the senator's press conference on MSNBC about Rev. Wright. Obama could not have been more clear. He not only severed his relationship with the pastor but denounced him as well. Even so, commentators Chris Mathews and Pat Buchanan said Barack was not credible.
Why?
Because they believe Obama knew about the three -- count 'em -- three YouTube moments snipped from 30 years of preaching.
Oh, really, Chris and Pat? Where's the proof that Obama was aware of the three brief tirades?
There is NO proof!
Mathews and Buchanan should be taken to task for accusing someone of being a liar based on opinion, not facts. Both men are a disgrace to journalism -- as are the other Obama critics who seem determined to lynch him in the press and on TV.
Meanwhile, to ease the pain of increased auto expenses, Hillary joined fellow panderers Bush 43 and John McCain and called for a summer moratorium on federal gasoline taxes. Yeah, that would work. We selfishly save $30 each while 200,000 highway construction works are put out of work. What kind of leadership is that?
Not the superior kind offered by Senator Obama who wants to spend more federal money on infrastructure which would create thousands of new jobs.
And, oh by the way, folks, unlike Hillary Clinton, Barack would never nuke Iran.
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Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.
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» RE: The lynching of Barack Obama continues.
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» Well put, Lauren.
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» RE: The lynching of Barack Obama continues.
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» RE: The lynching of Barack Obama continues.
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» Obama a "tool of the conventional American power structure" ? Talk about hyperbole!
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» Obama was lynched because he didn't deliver on his promise once in Senate. Instead,
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» I'll say it again, maxpayne. Obama would NEVER nuke Iran, but Hillary will. Or so she says.
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» RE: I'll say it again, maxpayne. Obama would NEVER nuke Iran, but Hillary will. Or so she says.
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» RE: I'll say it again, maxpayne. Obama would NEVER nuke Iran, but Hillary will. Or so she says.
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» RE: Obama was lynched because he didn't deliver on his promise once in Senate. Instead,
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» RE: The lynching of Barack Obama continues.
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» Dropping an atomic bomb on human beings is NEVER an option. Enough said!
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» RE: Dropping an atomic bomb on human beings is NEVER an option. Enough said!
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» Did you even take a look at Obama's voting record while in Senate?
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» Two reasons
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» "Great non-white hope...?" How racist is that?
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» It is not racist at all. Racism has to do with a belief in racial superiority that I don't share
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 30, 2008 9:59 AM
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FUCKERS! Vote Green then get in the owning classers' faces! Shut down the country, revolt, refuse, fight back, dammit... oh wait, I forgot this is 'Merkuh, they only have a spine when their pride is on the line, not their dignity.
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» RE: ich People are so smart, the best qualified...
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Posted by: drricklippin on Apr 30, 2008 10:05 AM
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This Reverend is crazier than I,for one,orginally thought.And to make matters worse Wright's narcisissim is flagrantly destroying the Obama candidacy
What a genuine tragedy.
Rick Lippin
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» Sorry, Dr. Rick, but I have more faith in America. Obama will survive and he will WIN!
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» RE: HughScott- I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT!
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» If you had been trashed unfairly in the media for over 2 months...
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» cassandra
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» cite your source
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» Cassandra
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» RE: cassandra
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» johnson's great society
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» Amen, truthteller!
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» Sorry to say it - OBAMA IS TOAST...because Americans are racist
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Posted by: westomoon on Apr 30, 2008 10:22 AM
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I found myself explaining to an acqaintance the other day, "The real strength of this country is in its people, and it's from the people that change actually comes. The President doesn't have to be perfect, he just has to inspire the American people to wake up and act, and they'll take care of the rest." A bit flowery, a bit oratorical, but true nonetheless -- we the people are our last, best hope, and Obama, whether he means to or not, is working as a sort of mass-media smelling salts, reminding us of who we could be.
Let's not forget that we're entering a period of enormous, and unpleasant, change. The neocon lullabies have already worn off -- just look at the polls (the ones that aren't endlessly parsing half-point shifts in the primaries, that is). When you think of it, it's a miracle -- most people don't get their information from alternative sources like this one, and yet they somehow have still managed to look beyond what's being force-fed them and get a notion of what's going wrong. People are already responding to the reality of what's happening -- to the climate, to the economy, to our food supply -- even though they're been strongly programmed to stay asleep. I can't be the only person who sees WalMart's new ad campaign on the power of small changes toward green living as a sign of the Apocalypse. Do you think WalMart is pulling that train? I think they are scrambling to catch up with a "market share" that has left them.
So, my point is ... I don't think it matters who Obama actually is right now. I would also have preferred John Edwards or Dennis Kucinich on that score, but Obama has a remarkable ability to rub the lantern and evoke the genie, the strength of the American people. And like all genies, what happens after that will be up to the genie, not the guy who rubbed the lamp.
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» Like you, westomoon, and unlike most persons on this thread, I have faith in the America people.
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» I have faith in the American people too.
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» RE: I have faith in the American people too.
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» RE: I have faith in the American people too.
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» I DON'T have faith in the American people.
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Posted by: Cathyc on Apr 30, 2008 10:55 AM
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Correction. The corporate state (Big Business) IS the government!
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» Cathyc, you are
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: e rice on Apr 30, 2008 11:45 AM
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mccain has his support group waiting.
obama or clinton would have a hostile congress for who knows how long.
are there any true progressives at the state level who could be elected to congress? who would, possibly, support a progressive policy?
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: jacksmith on Apr 30, 2008 12:04 PM
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If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary’s than they had ever been before or since.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)
Best regards
jacksmith... Working Class :-)
p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...
You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)
Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on...
OBAMA AIDE: "WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS" :o
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» For idiots: Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» Obama isn't taking the option of nuking Iran off the table but RALPH NADER is.
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» If you think the Hillary or Obama will stand up to their corporate masters
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» Jacky one-note
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» RE: -) if y'all believe that obama .............
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Posted by: texshelters on Apr 30, 2008 1:15 PM
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This one-sided attack against Obama avoids the fact that Clinton and expecially McCain have been corporate whores for years. If Clinton gets credit for her husband's presidency, she should also take credit for selling of America to the corporations: selling of the land, medicare, education and that whole Welfare to Work lie.
So, they all suck. What's new? A little balance in the article is what I hoped Mr. Hedges would give us. So, Obama is getting support from the corporattions. Is this news? Anyone who looks at the donations lists can figure that one out. So instead of a complete picture, we get another one-sided attack that doesn't give us a far and balanced picture. Is this Fox News?
Tex Shelters
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» At least Ralph Nader doesn't take money from corporations unlike those 3 stooges !
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» RE: At least Ralph Nader doesn't take money from corporations unlike those 3 stooges !
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» Yet another intolerent progressive judging without facts
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» RE: Yet another intolerent progressive judging without facts
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Posted by: perkywa on Apr 30, 2008 1:43 PM
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America: Stick a fork in it...it's DONE!!!
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» RE: O-BOMB-A, The 21st Century Woodrow Wilson!!!
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Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 30, 2008 1:56 PM
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Mccain - 45%
Obama - 35%
Nadar - 20%
It looks like a long shot right now but the possibility is rising. Note, I would have said the same if Hillary were the nominee.
The numbers above will make it very easy for Nader to cut into the Dem nominee's votes and even turn strong blue states such as CA and NY RED.
If the Democrats continue this kind of rightwing pandering, I'm keeping my strong support for Nader and will like stand correct come November.
YOU'VE BEEN WARNED !!!!
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» Dukakis was ahead of Bush 41 by 18 points. So much for polls.
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» I understand that but don't you understand the pollsters' DOUBLE STANDARDS ?
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» RE: I understand that but don't you understand the pollsters' DOUBLE STANDARDS ?
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Posted by: texshelters on Apr 30, 2008 1:58 PM
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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/30/8623/
Better article than I could write in a short time.
Tex Shelters
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» The must-read article is titled, "The Clinton Smear Campaign Against Obama."
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» RE: The must-read article is titled, "The Clinton Smear Campaign Against Obama."
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» RE: The must-read article is titled, "The Clinton Smear Campaign Against Obama."
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 30, 2008 3:30 PM
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Because of that experience and my upbringing, I can smell the fainest whiff of racial prejudice. This thread stinks to High Heaven!
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 30, 2008 3:44 PM
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Not one bad word was said about Hillary.
Because bigotry upsets my stomach, pardon me while I puke.
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Posted by: Sil on Apr 30, 2008 5:28 PM
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Hillary, by contrast, is into hardcore pornography with corporate America, so pick your poison.
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Posted by: mnatra on Apr 30, 2008 5:48 PM
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backing of the cooperation?
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Posted by: Longdream on Apr 30, 2008 6:42 PM
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There hasn't been a candidate the caliber of Barack Obama in this country in my lifetime.
This whole thread full of spin made me tired. Barack is going to win the nomination, and then the election, in spite of what anyone can do to mess with him.
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Posted by: jpax77 on Apr 30, 2008 10:30 PM
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Nader promised us then that Bush and Gore were the same, but after just a few months of Bush I knew Nader had been wrong, terribly and tragically wrong.
He of course never offered an apology, a shared defect he has with the kindred spirit in stubbornness he helped put in office.
Obama displays a humbleness none of your mythologized ideologues are capable of, and at this stage, in this f-d up world, that alone is good enough for me.
So I'm sorry, but you have left me dramatically unmoved this time. Let's hope the youth of today can see through your circular dead-end cynicism and vote with their heads and their hearts and not just with their self gratifying pride like I did.
In 2000 I voted my burgeoning self-righteousness. This time I'm voting my fierce good sense.
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Posted by: Mystery Solver on May 1, 2008 4:18 AM
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Also, I would like to briefly review Obama's policy report card:
-90 foreclosure moratorium-Obama says NO
-Cap the summer gas tax-Obama says NO
-Universal Healthcare-Obama says NO
-Cap credit card rates at 30%-Obama says NO
-Supreme Court Judge Roberts-Obama says YES
-Ronald Reagan-Obama says YES
-Corporate media-Obama's Best Friend
-Wall Street & State Lobbyists-Obama's Biggest Contributors
-Republicans- Obama's Best Voters (for a day)
-Killer Cops-Obama says nothing
-Corruption-Ask Tony Rezco
After watching Barack play the victim, its time we check out this CHARLATANS REAL AGENDA.
Is this the ONE we've been waiting for? I think I'll pass.
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Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters on May 1, 2008 12:48 PM
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Too bad this hard look at Obama will not win you guys any brownie points and I applaud you for that. The AlterNet has some crazy ass post and journalism then I come crashing in with Reality however this post about Obama, I can't thank you enough. Obama's Children of the Corn will go off on a tangent because Daddy's money is pushing them though school (and the rest of there lives). There is time were I've been assed out and I did not go whining to the nearest Democrat about how crappy my life is. This is America, I would just re-up and re-load, cling to my Bible and polish my pistol, pick up a newspaper and go find work, keep my bills low to nothing and keep a great head on my shoulders.
I gotta keep my eye on you Moonbats however you guys make great coffee, walkable streets and fancy shops. I know we will always battle because you would wanna take away my ATV, Cable TV and Cell Phone. You would also denied the chance for my kids to attend your private schools however I would just work hard to make sure you guys to win elections.
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Posted by: WILDSTARCHILD on May 1, 2008 1:38 PM
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It's true that no one could possibly run to be president of these United States without help from people with money..PERIOD. For you to compare his policy to someone like Dick Cheney is ludicrous and preposterous! Get over over it! Your purity trolling is destructive and antithetical to the mission of electing better and more progressive democrats.
Sounds like you're a Nader voter to me.
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Posted by: PumaJ on May 1, 2008 4:15 PM
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For example, in his book, "The Audacity of Hope", he is very clear that he sees the corporate CEO's who are getting massive raises, whilst cutting healthcare benefits for the companies workers as being grossly unfair and greedy. He is clear that he supports labor unions and workers' rights, and generally has a tremendous investment in social justice.
For the specifics on his Blueprint for Change, one can go to his website at: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
I think it will be obvious to anyone who goes there to read what his plans for the US are, that he is not in the pocket of the corporate interests, but neither is he interested in doing a way with capitalism.
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Posted by: joze46 on May 2, 2008 1:38 PM
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Currently watching MSNBC with, Andrea Mitchell wife of former Federal Reserve Board Chairman Allen Greenspan. This is so obnoxious to sit here watching cable news listening to wife of former Chairman of the Federal Reserve giving political analysis. Here, being privy to trillion dollar connections all the while swaying public opinion is fanatical to absolutely incomprehensible, to me anyway. MSNBC is so connected to corruption its mind boggling. Yet, it is surprising that supposedly intelligent people in America sit gawking at Andrea Mitchell while making such asinine conclusions. Some of the time it appears Andrea is under severe medication.
Like Joe Scar and Chuck Todd looked like they came on duty with a severe hang over. Now, after America finds out Obama was sneaking in the basement to censor Reverend Wright way back when Obama initiated his Illinois State election. Only now claims to say Change to believe in, But don’t believe what Wright says. And I, Obama don’t believe in him any more either. What a belly laugh. If this was Clinton the mainstreamers would run serial video clips of Clinton from here till Clinton was laughed off screen. But Obama get a pass.
Everything and anything Hillary Clinton does is not good and condescending for likely one simple reason. MSNBC hates Hillary, and is contextually shifting everything to look negative and as a lost cause in the election. Truly from every stand point Hillary is in the Leadership curve and Obama has been struggling behind it ever since he started running his campaign. This whole scenario is devastating for Obama and the main reason Obama will not win the nomination.
The caucus red state delegates are ready to bolt and swing back to McCain. The Obamacan’s and the Limbaughcan’s are both ready to bolt and charged with creating riots ordered by the High Guard of Conservative talk show Limbaugh himself. This Reverend Wright stuff is what has to do with character. Here, Obama openly displays his eagerness to do what ever it takes to get what he wants. Especially with this Reverend Wright, meeting with him secretly in the basement before his election to the Illinois Senate exposes the corruption and sneaky ideals Obama is willing to do. Here, Obama knew a long time ago Reverend Wright was corrosive and filled with a hateful agenda. Only now after America get a view, says Obama can’t believe in his Reverend Wright? This really begs the question does Obama really believe in his own Grandmother? Or does she get thrown under the bus too. Totally unbelievable are the delegates that embrace this political atmosphere seeming to be willing to hold secret meetings in the basement to create government policy. That’s not government I want to believe in. Then this bus is out side ready to run them over. This is just crazy. to vote for Obama is going to be a bummer.
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Posted by: Opus007 on May 2, 2008 1:58 PM
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McCain is riding around with a busload of lobbyists and is a rage-aholic hawk. I could never support McCain.
If Hillary got the nomination, all the people the Clintons screwed over the years will come out of the woodwork. Hello President McCain. (Interesting post on AlterNet- "The Clinton Curse".)
Nobody's perfect- I'll take my chances with Obama.
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Posted by: sui_generis on May 3, 2008 11:26 AM
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The funniest part is that as an alternative, it suggests Ralph Nader or Dennis Kucinich. So you look up, expecting to see the date indicating it's been written in mid-2007, and -- wait, no. It was written less than a week ago?!
Ohhhhhhh, I see. The author's a MORON. It's another one of these folks who can't tell the difference between "better than" and "perfect". Oh, let's just all vote for Nader, we may have to go through another 8 years of Bush-style horrors, but at least we'll have our precious delusions intact!
Guess what Genius? Obama's the only game in town now. (Unless you think he's NOT to the left of Hillary, which he clearly is.)
You know what REAL progressives do? They vote in the best option they have at the time, and then MOVE HIM OR HER to the left once they're elected!!! You know what that prevents? More 2000 to 2008, suckers.
God. I wish the frigging Nader people would grow up and join the rest of us who don't have the advantage of living in the lollipop land of their minds.
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Posted by: Urgelt on May 9, 2008 8:35 PM
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But there aren't many choices left in the race, at this point.
The Clintons aren't just friendly with corporations. They appointed insiders to soft-pedal regulation of industry and fast-track pro-corporate policies. They worked to send jobs overseas, weaken the labor movement, ended up ducking the hard questions on health care (the problem's roots are corporate). They personally take gobs of money for nothing, essentially. $600,000 for a dinner speech, come on. Call corruption what it is.
Obama is my choice now because of the three still in the race, he might - maybe - still have some honesty in his soul. I am desperate to see appointees who will serve the public interest, not some corporate masters. He's the only one still standing who might deliver some of what I want from government.
But I don't expect Obama to go on an anti-corporation witch hunt. Too bad, we sure could use one.
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» Of course he is not the messiah, Obama is the anti-Christ!
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 30, 2008 1:16 AM
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Direct Democracy
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Posted by: Rune on Apr 30, 2008 1:19 AM
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"“When we set truth on its head we usually fail to notice that our head too is not standing where it ought to stand.”
I find it fascinating to see so many people who go out of their way to bash the religious while proclaiming their own superior grasp of facts and rationality continue to invest their faith in Obama as some sort of "once in a lifetime" agent for progressive change when the facts and the trajectory of his career so clearly say otherwise. As the man of faith who was, until very recently, Obama's pastor (recent revisionist history for political ends notwithstanding) noted, Obama is a politician and he makes the sort of politically calculated decisions and statements (and reversal of statements) that are common to most politicians. If this was not obvious, a fair reading of this excellent essay and a check of its facts should make it so.
“When we have to change our minds about a person, we hold the inconvenience he causes us very much against him.”
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Posted by: Rune on Apr 30, 2008 1:35 AM
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"His message of hope and change is beginning to sound like a broken record. Phrases like "We are the ones we've been waiting for" sound lofty at first, but they eventually lose their appeal.
Nevertheless, the debate that has now begun comes too late for Hillary Clinton. [. . .] A vote by superdelegates against Obama would set off shock waves within American society, with incalculable consequences. Young people would be outraged, intellectuals would be bitter and violence could erupt in predominantly black urban neighborhoods around the country."
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I miss John Edwards ... and I'll bet many of you do too.
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Posted by: gabemott on Apr 30, 2008 2:10 AM
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And, that's not the point. You're missing the train. I've been with Kucinich for years, also respect my conservative relatives on the midland farms, believe in progressivism, equal rights, health care for all. I've been pretty liberal my whole life.
Obama is not offering revolution. And unless you are ready to stop paying taxes as a start, neither are you.
No he's not going to destroy Walmart in a day. He's not going to demand payments from the rich to the poor. He's not going to radically shift America's demographic conscience today.
I've always argued for people's right to vote how they feel-- if they wanted Nader, or want Hillary now, I fundamentally believe that democracy only works if people feel free to vote for who they want to win. I support that.
And I'm voting for Obama. Obama has a right vision for our future. He allows us to see our own role in the outcome. He calls on the better part of ourselves to rise up.
I don't expect him to immediately attack corporations. That's a job for the people. If you expect to elect a president that is going to take down capitalism, you shouldn't vote and you shouldn't give the government any money. You should probably take over a media outlet, get some big guns, or get rich (being a capitalist) and buy the politicians.
Until then, we've got an option that for the first time in my 36 year old life, gives me tingles to think that he could be president. It's opportunity I'n not going to miss.
Get Aboard.
"If you can't get a board, get a shingle"
--my great uncle once removed when I was ten.
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Posted by: opmoc on Apr 30, 2008 3:26 AM
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As an example of change from within (much to the detriment) Tony Blair infiltrated the UK Labour Party with powerful speeches, soundbites and a new image - and very effectively turned it into a right wing corporate fascist party - that decimated the rights and political power of the ordinary working man.
The old UK Labour party would never have supported the War in Iraq - and would never have become a poodle of an extreme right wing US Government.
My view of Obama is that he offers real hope for change. But you can't change anything without power - and you can't attain power without the support of the rich powerful elite.
Its entirely possible that Obama might gradually move the balance away from the interests of the richest towards the great mass of humanity (ie everyone else).
Of course there is very little choice and democracy has become such an illusion, that I am very seriously considering never voting again.
But if I was a US citizen I would vote for Obama as a last desperate hope of pulling us all back from the brink.
America may not fully realise how desperately tarnished it's image has become since Bush gained power.
The World runs on image and perception. Electing a Black Man would send out a very powerful message to the World that America has changed for the better.
On the 1st January 2000 I could not possibly envisage the current state of World Tryanny achieved within 8 years of the New Millenium.
It is an absolutely appalling start and we should all feel completely ashamed that we have allowed it to happen.
We are all members of the human race - just look what we have done.
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Posted by: Jackdemocracy08 on Apr 30, 2008 3:28 AM
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If you’re tired of waiting around for those super delegates to make a decision already, go to LobbyDelegates.com and push them to support Clinton or Obama
If you haven't done so yet, please write a message to each of your state's superdelegates at http://www.lobbydelegates.com
It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Obama in office?!
Sending a note to current Obama supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Clinton supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Obama, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Obama. It's that easy...
Clinton Supporters too …. !
It takes a moment, but what's a few minutes now worth to get Clinton in office?!
Sending a note to current Clinton supporters lets them know it's appreciated, sending a note to current Obama supporters can hopefully sway them to change their vote to Clinton, and sending a note to the uncommitted folks will hopefully sway them to vote for Clinton. It's that easy...
REALLY easy to identify the superdelegates and reach out to them! It includes a list of names, addresses, and affiliations of superdelegates from each state including your state
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I would love to see it. America deserves a "presidential" race between McCain and HillBilly. Let's face it, when it all comes down to the very basic essence of a people, Americans -- by and large -- are racist warmongers. That's the bottom line, and the two noted candidates fit that electorate to a "T".
I agree that Obama is a huge fraud. He spouts nothing but nebulous promises for "hope" that he'll never be able to keep. In addition, running for president is forcing him to abandon virtually all of the positive influences that nurtured and molded him as an individual. No one can last very long in such a state. The strongest individuals establish their personal bedrock of beliefs, and don't stray far from them. Trying to be everything to everybody is a recipe for disaster.
Having said all of that, Obama is certainly a better person than either HillBilly or McCain, but he is beholden to the same monied elite that they are. And he will do their bidding, make no mistake. He doesn't have a choice.
Thus, there are no viable candidates to lead the country back from the brink. The American "experiment" is finished -- killed off by rampant greed and corruption. All that remains is for it to become obvious to all but the most oblivious Faux-watcher.
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: riotoustanpdx on Apr 30, 2008 3:39 AM
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Obama's lead comes from the caucus states, where far fewer voters were able to participate in the process; millions of eligible voters were excluded for lack of time to participate.
The reforms needed are not top-down, as we will have through the corporations, but grassroots, in spite of the dictates and the controlled marketplace of the corporations.
Obama will try to spoon feed us corporate "leadership" reforms? Only to the extent that those corporations continue to control the marketplace and the options that we are allowed. The real reforms can only come from greater degrees of self-autonomy, from having the option to produce our own goods, capture our own energy from the sun and wind, and build our own future environments.
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That’s what Obama gets for his support and defense of the Rev Wright. Obama stated in his speech“Wright is like an uncle you love and respect” As imperfect as he may be, he has been family to me for so many years, I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community” Obama is now declaring himself shocked and disappointed at Wright's unrepentantly racist and anti-American views? Obamas obviously support his feelings of anti-America and white hatred that the church endoreses to stay for 20 years also why would a parent continue to raise their young daughters in that atmosphere .Obama can no longer plausibly claim innocence in this matter, because he is the one who has encouraged Wright by trying to excuse and explain his views. All of this is why it is no use for Obama to backpedal from his association with Reverend Wright, or to denounce him now, six weeks too late. It was Obama who sought to provide the Reverend Wright with immunity from criticism--and he can't complain when the reverend tries to take full advantage of that immunity. This is the final collapse of the noble promise of the Obama campaign. The man who had once put himself forward as the candidate who would transcend racial politics once and for all has ended up legitimizing a Christian equivalent of Louis Farrakhan--and injecting him into the American political debate. Wright “Calls for Justice and Repair,” followed a statement in which he declared that “The Biblical principle of true repentance is that the offended party is given compensation to make up for that which has been stolen from them, the losses that have been inflicted upon them and their families.” A reparations plan for blacks could extract several trillion dollars from American taxpayers’ pockets. THERES ABSOLUTLY NO CHANGE WITH OBAMA
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 30, 2008 5:06 AM
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I voted for Kucinich in the MI Primary (rigged). But because of 'Money'he never got the chance to compete in later states. Now we are left with what the Monetary eelction has left US. This is not Democracy this is the one with the most $$$ wins- Buys the election.
I will support Obama, but will consider Paul if still allowed to be on the ballot.
Mac & Hillary -I know Far Too Much about, and have Seen Who they work for and Who they plead their Allegience to for far too long (Heckova Job on the Armed Services Com-con). It's going to be long long road back to the Ideals of Our founding Fathers (they couldnt even put it all together). I will take one step forward, the one that gets US back involved-whether he (they)likes it or not WE have been Re Engaged (Provoked- we are not 'bitter' we are Pissed!)
and Nadar again is just another Red Herring, an intentional 'spoiler', a Facade!
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 30, 2008 5:34 AM
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Government and business aren't really all that seperate anymore.
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: marygold on Apr 30, 2008 6:08 AM
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Oh, and please don't imagine that anyone really believes that the coalition of corporations...the megatechnological juggernaut...can realistically be stopped by any peaceful means. I think they collectively have the NRA attitude going with regard to their perpetual money machines..."from my cold dead hands" will you pry my corporation...
cheers
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» RE: Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» The threat of nuclear war is worth repeating and repeating and repeating and...
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» I still hold out some hope that you are right
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» EXACTLY...The election game is just that, a game!!
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Posted by: Urstrly on Apr 30, 2008 6:21 AM
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None of the three remaining candidates is pure, but that doesn't make them all the same.
McCain seems to have forgotten every popularist sentiment that he ever voiced and to have reversed it with fervor. Who in America still believes that the free market can save us all? That tax cuts free up resources that trickle down? Only the players, and they'd rather have McCain than the others. Even with our economy in shambles, Bush/McCain can't admit how unbridled capitalism brought it on.
My question for Hedges would be: how do Obama and Clinton stack up against each other? Is the woman who served on Walmart's board and sucks up to Murdoch less corporately prone than Obama? Or equal? Does he believe that Obama would still be in the race if he had spoken like Edwards?
I'm not expecting a Second Coming if a Democrat gets elected, but let's not kid ourselves that it will make no difference. It was that argument that lost Al Gore the election.
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» Name one good thing Narcissist Nader has done for America since 2000? You can't!
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» First of all, you never gave him a chance ! And name me one thing the Democrats did for you !
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» Maxpayne and HughScott are BOTH McCain backers.
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» There goes TC again, hiding behind a fictitious user name to spread lies & discontent.
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» A Nader back is NOT NOT NOT a Mccain backer. You're the reason Democrats can ABUSE our votes !!
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» Would you two please get a room?
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 30, 2008 7:24 AM
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What about the Republicans? Think McCain, think the second Reagan term. Senility is already setting in - and let me just say that the image of Lieberman whispering in McCain's ear is unnerving. So are the recent Obama-Clinton debates - oh, how we miss the presence of Kucinich and Edwards in those debates - and why, oh why, not a Ron Paul - McCain debate?
Hedges doesn't understand much about this, poor thing. After all, the left is just as guilty as the right on this one. Pandering to the corporate media - which is a very large category, actually. Pacifica, home of "major corporate media critics Amy Goodman & Juan Gonzalez" is a non-profit corporate structure. They will be boosting Nader to the hilt, as usual, and trying to whip up enthusiasm for a major "might be violent" "Re-Create 68" protest at the Democratic campaign.
FOXBusiness is excited about that, because, quote,
"WASHINGTON -- Sen. John McCain has moved ahead of both of his potential Democratic rivals in a Zogby International poll that also includes independent Ralph Nader on the ballot. . . Consumer activist Nader polls at 6% in a general-election matchup between McCain and Clinton and at 5% in a McCain-Obama tilt. "Nader's presence in the race can potentially turn a lulu of a race into an absolute tizzy," said pollster John Zogby. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2 percentage points.
Maxpayne and other Nader boosters on this thread know this and are either strict Nader ideologues, or are in reality looking forward to a McCain victory.
Ever read Nader's WSJ piece on Bush in 2001? “If it took Richard Nixon to go to China, could George W. Bush be the president who ends corporate welfare as we know it?, March 7
After the stolen 2000 election, Nader didn't open his mouth to protest, and instead tried to give Bush legitimacy. He was running around saying "let's just give him a chance" and writing puff pieces like that WSJ article. He's burnt out & bitter, apparently more outraged at the Democratic side of the aisle than the Republican - it's as if he's so angry at being snubbed by the party that he'd rather see Bush and McCain in office than another Democrat.
Meanwhile, Obama and Hillary are so closely matched in policy that they rely on stupid, idiotic, inflammatory attacks on one another, led by Hillary, instead of any real discussion of the issues that matter to the public.
For example, see this from PR Watch:
The Associated Press reports, "Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are walking a delicate line as they promise to aggressively tackle global warming while trying to assure voters that they continue to believe in the future of coal. . . ."They keep using the term clean coal. They absolutely are pandering the coal industry's propaganda; there's no such animal as clean coal," said Brent Blackwelder, president of the environmental group Friends of the Earth. AP notes that Obama and Clinton's love affair with Big Coal pleases the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, a coal industry front group . . .
Keep in mind that the AP is now another Murdoch front, of course, and he wants a Republican robot in office.
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» McCain is the Republican robot, troll.
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» Oh, I thought that was Liddy Dole
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» Nader is irrelevant, as is much of this commentary, I believe
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» "Let none dare question Saint Amy and Prince Nader?" - nonsense.
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» Nonsense, indeed, to say nothing of more irrelevant comments
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» Media issues are definitely relevant in this picture! No one gets a "pass".
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» Well, dear sir, try this:
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» Smells like soup
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» REALITY: Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 30, 2008 8:24 AM
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We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death’s other Kingdom
Remember us—if at all—not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.
T.S. Eliot.
Why can't we have a Kucinich - Paul debate and ignore the rest of these godawful clowns for a little while? Of course Edwards was the best choice, but the voters bought into the corporate B.S., so here we are.
Personally, I blame the baby boomers and the corporate climbers for being so easily swayed by propaganda. Christ, what a bunch of Kool Aid-drinking swill-swallowers.
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 30, 2008 8:55 AM
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On October 10, 2006, Alternet posted a Hedges piece titled, "Does Bush Think War with Iran Is Preordained?"
The subtitle said, "The Christian right sees an apocalyptic nuclear war with Iran as a vision set forth in the Bible. Bush himself may be a believer, too."
Pardon me, but Bush has NEVER threatened to nuke Iran. That warning came from Hillary who recently said she would "obliterate" the Muslim country (her words) if it attacked Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Israel. What wasn't Hedges outraged by that insane statement?
By not criticizing Mrs. Sniper Fire, Hedges has tacitly joined the Obama lynching campaign which continues.
For example, yesterday I watched the senator's press conference on MSNBC about Rev. Wright. Obama could not have been more clear. He not only severed his relationship with the pastor but denounced him as well. Even so, commentators Chris Mathews and Pat Buchanan said Barack was not credible.
Why?
Because they believe Obama knew about the three -- count 'em -- three YouTube moments snipped from 30 years of preaching.
Oh, really, Chris and Pat? Where's the proof that Obama was aware of the three brief tirades?
There is NO proof!
Mathews and Buchanan should be taken to task for accusing someone of being a liar based on opinion, not facts. Both men are a disgrace to journalism -- as are the other Obama critics who seem determined to lynch him in the press and on TV.
Meanwhile, to ease the pain of increased auto expenses, Hillary joined fellow panderers Bush 43 and John McCain and called for a summer moratorium on federal gasoline taxes. Yeah, that would work. We selfishly save $30 each while 200,000 highway construction works are put out of work. What kind of leadership is that?
Not the superior kind offered by Senator Obama who wants to spend more federal money on infrastructure which would create thousands of new jobs.
And, oh by the way, folks, unlike Hillary Clinton, Barack would never nuke Iran.
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Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.
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» Well put, Lauren.
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» RE: The lynching of Barack Obama continues.
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» RE: The lynching of Barack Obama continues.
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» Obama a "tool of the conventional American power structure" ? Talk about hyperbole!
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» Obama was lynched because he didn't deliver on his promise once in Senate. Instead,
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» I'll say it again, maxpayne. Obama would NEVER nuke Iran, but Hillary will. Or so she says.
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» RE: I'll say it again, maxpayne. Obama would NEVER nuke Iran, but Hillary will. Or so she says.
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» RE: I'll say it again, maxpayne. Obama would NEVER nuke Iran, but Hillary will. Or so she says.
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» RE: Obama was lynched because he didn't deliver on his promise once in Senate. Instead,
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» RE: The lynching of Barack Obama continues.
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» Dropping an atomic bomb on human beings is NEVER an option. Enough said!
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» Did you even take a look at Obama's voting record while in Senate?
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» Two reasons
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» "Great non-white hope...?" How racist is that?
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» It is not racist at all. Racism has to do with a belief in racial superiority that I don't share
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 30, 2008 9:59 AM
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FUCKERS! Vote Green then get in the owning classers' faces! Shut down the country, revolt, refuse, fight back, dammit... oh wait, I forgot this is 'Merkuh, they only have a spine when their pride is on the line, not their dignity.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Apr 30, 2008 10:05 AM
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This Reverend is crazier than I,for one,orginally thought.And to make matters worse Wright's narcisissim is flagrantly destroying the Obama candidacy
What a genuine tragedy.
Rick Lippin
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» Sorry, Dr. Rick, but I have more faith in America. Obama will survive and he will WIN!
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» RE: HughScott- I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT!
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» cassandra
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» cite your source
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» Cassandra
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» johnson's great society
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» Amen, truthteller!
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» Sorry to say it - OBAMA IS TOAST...because Americans are racist
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Posted by: westomoon on Apr 30, 2008 10:22 AM
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I found myself explaining to an acqaintance the other day, "The real strength of this country is in its people, and it's from the people that change actually comes. The President doesn't have to be perfect, he just has to inspire the American people to wake up and act, and they'll take care of the rest." A bit flowery, a bit oratorical, but true nonetheless -- we the people are our last, best hope, and Obama, whether he means to or not, is working as a sort of mass-media smelling salts, reminding us of who we could be.
Let's not forget that we're entering a period of enormous, and unpleasant, change. The neocon lullabies have already worn off -- just look at the polls (the ones that aren't endlessly parsing half-point shifts in the primaries, that is). When you think of it, it's a miracle -- most people don't get their information from alternative sources like this one, and yet they somehow have still managed to look beyond what's being force-fed them and get a notion of what's going wrong. People are already responding to the reality of what's happening -- to the climate, to the economy, to our food supply -- even though they're been strongly programmed to stay asleep. I can't be the only person who sees WalMart's new ad campaign on the power of small changes toward green living as a sign of the Apocalypse. Do you think WalMart is pulling that train? I think they are scrambling to catch up with a "market share" that has left them.
So, my point is ... I don't think it matters who Obama actually is right now. I would also have preferred John Edwards or Dennis Kucinich on that score, but Obama has a remarkable ability to rub the lantern and evoke the genie, the strength of the American people. And like all genies, what happens after that will be up to the genie, not the guy who rubbed the lamp.
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» Like you, westomoon, and unlike most persons on this thread, I have faith in the America people.
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» I have faith in the American people too.
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» RE: I have faith in the American people too.
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» RE: I have faith in the American people too.
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» I DON'T have faith in the American people.
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Posted by: Cathyc on Apr 30, 2008 10:55 AM
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Correction. The corporate state (Big Business) IS the government!
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» Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» Cathyc, you are
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Posted by: e rice on Apr 30, 2008 11:45 AM
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mccain has his support group waiting.
obama or clinton would have a hostile congress for who knows how long.
are there any true progressives at the state level who could be elected to congress? who would, possibly, support a progressive policy?
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Posted by: jacksmith on Apr 30, 2008 12:04 PM
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If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary’s than they had ever been before or since.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)
Best regards
jacksmith... Working Class :-)
p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...
You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)
Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on...
OBAMA AIDE: "WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS" :o
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» For idiots: Of the three front-runners, two would nuke Iran. That leaves Obama. Enough said.
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» Obama isn't taking the option of nuking Iran off the table but RALPH NADER is.
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» If you think the Hillary or Obama will stand up to their corporate masters
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» Jacky one-note
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» RE: -) if y'all believe that obama .............
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Posted by: texshelters on Apr 30, 2008 1:15 PM
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This one-sided attack against Obama avoids the fact that Clinton and expecially McCain have been corporate whores for years. If Clinton gets credit for her husband's presidency, she should also take credit for selling of America to the corporations: selling of the land, medicare, education and that whole Welfare to Work lie.
So, they all suck. What's new? A little balance in the article is what I hoped Mr. Hedges would give us. So, Obama is getting support from the corporattions. Is this news? Anyone who looks at the donations lists can figure that one out. So instead of a complete picture, we get another one-sided attack that doesn't give us a far and balanced picture. Is this Fox News?
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» At least Ralph Nader doesn't take money from corporations unlike those 3 stooges !
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» Yet another intolerent progressive judging without facts
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Posted by: perkywa on Apr 30, 2008 1:43 PM
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America: Stick a fork in it...it's DONE!!!
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» RE: O-BOMB-A, The 21st Century Woodrow Wilson!!!
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Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 30, 2008 1:56 PM
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Mccain - 45%
Obama - 35%
Nadar - 20%
It looks like a long shot right now but the possibility is rising. Note, I would have said the same if Hillary were the nominee.
The numbers above will make it very easy for Nader to cut into the Dem nominee's votes and even turn strong blue states such as CA and NY RED.
If the Democrats continue this kind of rightwing pandering, I'm keeping my strong support for Nader and will like stand correct come November.
YOU'VE BEEN WARNED !!!!
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» Dukakis was ahead of Bush 41 by 18 points. So much for polls.
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» I understand that but don't you understand the pollsters' DOUBLE STANDARDS ?
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» RE: I understand that but don't you understand the pollsters' DOUBLE STANDARDS ?
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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/30/8623/
Better article than I could write in a short time.
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» The must-read article is titled, "The Clinton Smear Campaign Against Obama."
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» RE: The must-read article is titled, "The Clinton Smear Campaign Against Obama."
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Posted by: RedNeckRed on Apr 30, 2008 2:36 PM
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 30, 2008 3:30 PM
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Because of that experience and my upbringing, I can smell the fainest whiff of racial prejudice. This thread stinks to High Heaven!
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Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, Texas A&M grad, Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com -- the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.
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» CORRECTION: "fainest" should be FAINTEST. Sorry.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 30, 2008 3:44 PM
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Not one bad word was said about Hillary.
Because bigotry upsets my stomach, pardon me while I puke.
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» RE: More on the nonstop lynching of Barack Obama.
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Posted by: Sil on Apr 30, 2008 5:28 PM
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Hillary, by contrast, is into hardcore pornography with corporate America, so pick your poison.
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Posted by: mnatra on Apr 30, 2008 5:48 PM
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backing of the cooperation?
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Posted by: Longdream on Apr 30, 2008 6:42 PM
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There hasn't been a candidate the caliber of Barack Obama in this country in my lifetime.
This whole thread full of spin made me tired. Barack is going to win the nomination, and then the election, in spite of what anyone can do to mess with him.
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Posted by: jpax77 on Apr 30, 2008 10:30 PM
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Nader promised us then that Bush and Gore were the same, but after just a few months of Bush I knew Nader had been wrong, terribly and tragically wrong.
He of course never offered an apology, a shared defect he has with the kindred spirit in stubbornness he helped put in office.
Obama displays a humbleness none of your mythologized ideologues are capable of, and at this stage, in this f-d up world, that alone is good enough for me.
So I'm sorry, but you have left me dramatically unmoved this time. Let's hope the youth of today can see through your circular dead-end cynicism and vote with their heads and their hearts and not just with their self gratifying pride like I did.
In 2000 I voted my burgeoning self-righteousness. This time I'm voting my fierce good sense.
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» Screw Nader
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Posted by: Mystery Solver on May 1, 2008 4:18 AM
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Also, I would like to briefly review Obama's policy report card:
-90 foreclosure moratorium-Obama says NO
-Cap the summer gas tax-Obama says NO
-Universal Healthcare-Obama says NO
-Cap credit card rates at 30%-Obama says NO
-Supreme Court Judge Roberts-Obama says YES
-Ronald Reagan-Obama says YES
-Corporate media-Obama's Best Friend
-Wall Street & State Lobbyists-Obama's Biggest Contributors
-Republicans- Obama's Best Voters (for a day)
-Killer Cops-Obama says nothing
-Corruption-Ask Tony Rezco
After watching Barack play the victim, its time we check out this CHARLATANS REAL AGENDA.
Is this the ONE we've been waiting for? I think I'll pass.
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» RE: Obama: New Age Charlatan
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Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters on May 1, 2008 12:48 PM
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Too bad this hard look at Obama will not win you guys any brownie points and I applaud you for that. The AlterNet has some crazy ass post and journalism then I come crashing in with Reality however this post about Obama, I can't thank you enough. Obama's Children of the Corn will go off on a tangent because Daddy's money is pushing them though school (and the rest of there lives). There is time were I've been assed out and I did not go whining to the nearest Democrat about how crappy my life is. This is America, I would just re-up and re-load, cling to my Bible and polish my pistol, pick up a newspaper and go find work, keep my bills low to nothing and keep a great head on my shoulders.
I gotta keep my eye on you Moonbats however you guys make great coffee, walkable streets and fancy shops. I know we will always battle because you would wanna take away my ATV, Cable TV and Cell Phone. You would also denied the chance for my kids to attend your private schools however I would just work hard to make sure you guys to win elections.
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» RE: OMG!!! Honest Liberal replies... to A Conservative Prospective
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» RE: OMG!!! MILITANT PURITANS
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Posted by: WILDSTARCHILD on May 1, 2008 1:38 PM
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It's true that no one could possibly run to be president of these United States without help from people with money..PERIOD. For you to compare his policy to someone like Dick Cheney is ludicrous and preposterous! Get over over it! Your purity trolling is destructive and antithetical to the mission of electing better and more progressive democrats.
Sounds like you're a Nader voter to me.
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Posted by: PumaJ on May 1, 2008 4:15 PM
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For example, in his book, "The Audacity of Hope", he is very clear that he sees the corporate CEO's who are getting massive raises, whilst cutting healthcare benefits for the companies workers as being grossly unfair and greedy. He is clear that he supports labor unions and workers' rights, and generally has a tremendous investment in social justice.
For the specifics on his Blueprint for Change, one can go to his website at: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
I think it will be obvious to anyone who goes there to read what his plans for the US are, that he is not in the pocket of the corporate interests, but neither is he interested in doing a way with capitalism.
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Posted by: joze46 on May 2, 2008 1:38 PM
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Currently watching MSNBC with, Andrea Mitchell wife of former Federal Reserve Board Chairman Allen Greenspan. This is so obnoxious to sit here watching cable news listening to wife of former Chairman of the Federal Reserve giving political analysis. Here, being privy to trillion dollar connections all the while swaying public opinion is fanatical to absolutely incomprehensible, to me anyway. MSNBC is so connected to corruption its mind boggling. Yet, it is surprising that supposedly intelligent people in America sit gawking at Andrea Mitchell while making such asinine conclusions. Some of the time it appears Andrea is under severe medication.
Like Joe Scar and Chuck Todd looked like they came on duty with a severe hang over. Now, after America finds out Obama was sneaking in the basement to censor Reverend Wright way back when Obama initiated his Illinois State election. Only now claims to say Change to believe in, But don’t believe what Wright says. And I, Obama don’t believe in him any more either. What a belly laugh. If this was Clinton the mainstreamers would run serial video clips of Clinton from here till Clinton was laughed off screen. But Obama get a pass.
Everything and anything Hillary Clinton does is not good and condescending for likely one simple reason. MSNBC hates Hillary, and is contextually shifting everything to look negative and as a lost cause in the election. Truly from every stand point Hillary is in the Leadership curve and Obama has been struggling behind it ever since he started running his campaign. This whole scenario is devastating for Obama and the main reason Obama will not win the nomination.
The caucus red state delegates are ready to bolt and swing back to McCain. The Obamacan’s and the Limbaughcan’s are both ready to bolt and charged with creating riots ordered by the High Guard of Conservative talk show Limbaugh himself. This Reverend Wright stuff is what has to do with character. Here, Obama openly displays his eagerness to do what ever it takes to get what he wants. Especially with this Reverend Wright, meeting with him secretly in the basement before his election to the Illinois Senate exposes the corruption and sneaky ideals Obama is willing to do. Here, Obama knew a long time ago Reverend Wright was corrosive and filled with a hateful agenda. Only now after America get a view, says Obama can’t believe in his Reverend Wright? This really begs the question does Obama really believe in his own Grandmother? Or does she get thrown under the bus too. Totally unbelievable are the delegates that embrace this political atmosphere seeming to be willing to hold secret meetings in the basement to create government policy. That’s not government I want to believe in. Then this bus is out side ready to run them over. This is just crazy. to vote for Obama is going to be a bummer.
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Posted by: Opus007 on May 2, 2008 1:58 PM
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McCain is riding around with a busload of lobbyists and is a rage-aholic hawk. I could never support McCain.
If Hillary got the nomination, all the people the Clintons screwed over the years will come out of the woodwork. Hello President McCain. (Interesting post on AlterNet- "The Clinton Curse".)
Nobody's perfect- I'll take my chances with Obama.
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Posted by: Jefferson's Guardian on May 3, 2008 8:48 AM
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Posted by: sui_generis on May 3, 2008 11:26 AM
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The funniest part is that as an alternative, it suggests Ralph Nader or Dennis Kucinich. So you look up, expecting to see the date indicating it's been written in mid-2007, and -- wait, no. It was written less than a week ago?!
Ohhhhhhh, I see. The author's a MORON. It's another one of these folks who can't tell the difference between "better than" and "perfect". Oh, let's just all vote for Nader, we may have to go through another 8 years of Bush-style horrors, but at least we'll have our precious delusions intact!
Guess what Genius? Obama's the only game in town now. (Unless you think he's NOT to the left of Hillary, which he clearly is.)
You know what REAL progressives do? They vote in the best option they have at the time, and then MOVE HIM OR HER to the left once they're elected!!! You know what that prevents? More 2000 to 2008, suckers.
God. I wish the frigging Nader people would grow up and join the rest of us who don't have the advantage of living in the lollipop land of their minds.
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» THANK you!
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Posted by: gingerb on May 3, 2008 3:50 PM
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Posted by: Last Chance on May 4, 2008 1:25 PM
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Posted by: Urgelt on May 9, 2008 8:35 PM
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But there aren't many choices left in the race, at this point.
The Clintons aren't just friendly with corporations. They appointed insiders to soft-pedal regulation of industry and fast-track pro-corporate policies. They worked to send jobs overseas, weaken the labor movement, ended up ducking the hard questions on health care (the problem's roots are corporate). They personally take gobs of money for nothing, essentially. $600,000 for a dinner speech, come on. Call corruption what it is.
Obama is my choice now because of the three still in the race, he might - maybe - still have some honesty in his soul. I am desperate to see appointees who will serve the public interest, not some corporate masters. He's the only one still standing who might deliver some of what I want from government.
But I don't expect Obama to go on an anti-corporation witch hunt. Too bad, we sure could use one.
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