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As Election Nears, Supreme Court Upholds Repressive Voter ID Law
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"This year, millions of new voters are surging into the political process. Lawmakers should be encouraging full participation by eligible citizens, not erecting new barriers to voting. This is precisely the wrong message for the Supreme Court to send in this critical year. We shouldn't give partisans an excuse to find ways to keep people from voting," said Michael Waldman, the Brennan Center's Executive Director.
The Court's 6–3 opinion in Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, widely considered the most important voting rights case since Bush v. Gore, recognized that ID laws may have negative impact, even when there is not sufficient evidence to find them unconstitutional. As six Justices agreed, Indiana's law places a heavier burden on some eligible citizens, particularly elderly and low-income persons who could be blocked from voting without the proper documentation. The Brennan Center urged lawmakers to heed the disenfranchising impacts of ID laws acknowledged in today's decision.
"Today's decision is not the end of the story on voter ID. Although the Court upheld Indiana's voter ID law, it did not say that states must or even should pass restrictive ID laws. Now it's up to legislators and courts in states like Texas, Missouri, and Florida to decide if they are going to follow Indiana's lead and disenfranchise American citizens, or if they're going to protect the right to vote for all Americans as we head into a critical national election," stated Wendy Weiser, Deputy Director of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice. "In doing so, they should keep in mind that the Court left open the possibility of future lawsuits against restrictive ID laws that prevent people from voting.
Under Indiana's law, voters must present a government-issued photo ID with an expiration date that has not elapsed. The law does not accept Veterans' IDs, Congressional IDs, student IDs, or work IDs.
Many citizens -- disproportionately low-income, minorities, students and seniors -- do not have the identification required by Indiana's law.
"In the three years since this case was brought, reliable studies have shown that 10-12% of eligible voting-age Americans do not have voter government-issued photo identification, particularly low-income, minority, senior, and student voters. Unfortunately, some will ignore these facts, and seek to use this ruling to manipulate the rules of the game and block these eligible voters from the ballot box," stated Justin Levitt, counsel at the Brennan Center.
In rejecting the challenge to the law on facial grounds, the Court today ruled that future challenges to voter laws must be filed with respect to the application of a specific law -- after its controversial mandates are already applied in an election.
"With this decision, the Court has seriously watered down protections to the franchise by insisting that the rights of voters can be protected only after their rights have been abused," stated Renée Paradis, counsel at the Brennan Center. "State and federal lawmakers must be ready to reject laws like Indiana's and ensure that the rights of voters prevails," she stated.
In an amicus brief filed with the Supreme Court last November, and cited repeatedly by several Justices today, the Brennan Center demonstrated that each instance of purported voter fraud used to justify Indiana's law was discredited or could not have been prevented by voter ID.
"Supporters of Indiana's law seek to stop an imaginary epidemic of voter fraud, even at the expense of preventing real, eligible citizens from voting," stated Justin Levitt, author of The Truth About Voter Fraud. "They did not provide the Court a single substantiated case of voter impersonation in the history of the state, yet the Court allowed the state's purported concern with stopping this fraud to outweigh the very real burden Indiana is placing on its citizens," he continued.
"As Justice Breyer recognized, Indiana's system puts the cart before the horse, demanding ID of voters before ensuring that voters actually have them. We have to fix our ID system to make sure that people who don't have IDs can get them -- free of charge and without hassle or delay. With unprecedented interest in elections across the country this year, we need to make sure that laws like Indiana's don't dampen turnout and enthusiasm," he stated.
Only one other state -- Georgia -- has voter identification requirements similar to Indiana's. All other states allow voters a wide variety of different means to confirm their identity before voting. Though legislatures in other states have proposed legislation similar to Indiana's restrictive law, such bills have been met with opposition across the country.
Additionally, there is growing support for affirmative legislation like Election Day Registration and Universal Registration on the state and federal levels that will expand the franchise and make voting easier for eligible citizens.
"It will be increasingly up to state and federal legislatures across the country to reject the restrictive policy the Court approved today and make affirmative measures like universal- and election-day voter registration integral to the fairness and security of our elections. There's real enthusiasm at all levels of the country to make it easier for eligible citizens to vote and have their vote counted. Today's decision only affirms the need to make that happen," said Weiser.
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Posted by: No Globalization without Representation on Apr 28, 2008 4:45 PM
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» yer just not too bright
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» RE: "Reason"able voter I.D.
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» Indiana offers "free" ID's only one day a year. If your're sick, too bad!
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» Thank you
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Apr 29, 2008 4:38 AM
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Republicans know they do better the lower the voter participation. There was absolutely NO evidence of any voter fraud here in Indiana, but they passed this law anyway -- what could be their motivation to pass a law for a problem that doesn't exist?
Oh, yeah, to improve their chances of winning every election forever. Many counties already use voting machines with no paper trail or any possible way to verify the results.
Need a recount, okay that's simple we'll just look at the number the computers gave us again.
They pass laws all across the country to fight against the non-existent problem of "voter fraud" and completely ignore the massive, wide-spread ELECTION FRAUD perpetrated by Republicans across this country.
But that's okay, most of us will have too much on our minds with the coming of the second Republican Great Depression in less than a century.
Nice work Republicans. And with their efforts to finally be rid of any semblance of real democracy in this country they can prevent another disaster like a Democratic president and Democratic congress bailing us out of this one like FDR did in the 1930's.
So we can have a 100 year Depression to go with our 100 year occupation of Iraq.
After the first 10 or 15 years most people will have forgotten what peace and prosperity was like so we won't know what we're missing.
So go on regressive, conservative trolls keep posting about how democracy is bad for America. Keep touting the magic of the free market. Toss in a little pseudo-Christian prosperity gospel too for good measure.
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Posted by: robbie.seal on Apr 29, 2008 5:55 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 29, 2008 6:47 AM
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It's pretty hard to demonstrate that a law is unconstitutional before anyone's rights have been violated, but that's what plaintiffs tried to argue.
If you read the court's majority opinion, they leave the door wide open for this law to be challenged as soon as the first person with standing is disenfranchised as a result of bringing...say, his or her voter I.D. card, instead of a driver's license.
Our Constitution grants states tremendous leeway in the procedural issues of their own elections. However, when the procedure infringes on our civil rights, that procedure is out of bounds. In effect, the court is right--there is nothing wrong with the law, until it's practice results in disenfranchising a citizen.
Now, lots of folks who lack a historical context will scream "poll tax", "literacy test", and what ever else makes them feel radical. The fact that ID's are freely provided formally--if not in practice--circumvents any means-test.
No doubt, it's a bad law. Shame plaintiffs didn't have the foresight necessary to mount a credible challenge. I suspect they will regroup, rethink, and find someone with standing to bring this law back before the court, where it will probably be overturned--applicable nationwide--by at least 6-3, if the majority opinion is really indicative of the three writers feelings on the matter.
You simply should not be able turn otherwise eligible voters away for lack of a picture. You check their voter ID card, you cross their name off the list, and they go vote. If someone with the same credentials comes in, then you investigate and prosecute for fraud. Not in advance!
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Posted by: citizenjoe on Apr 29, 2008 6:49 AM
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 29, 2008 8:01 AM
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Meanwhile, Rev. Hagee, a hate-filled, Bible-pounding homophobe, is free to attack the gay community with impunity. Why? Because he is white and Rev. Wright is black. It's that simple.
Four years from now, when either McCain or Hillary finish his or her first term in office and the Iraq War is still with us, America will be sorry it lynched Barack Obama.
As for voter ID cards, there is nothing in the GOP-controlled Supreme Court's ruling to prevent states from charging any amount they want for the privilige of exercising citizenship. Don't tell me those "fees" wouldn't be poll taxes to keep poor people, most of them persons of color, from voting.
Welcome to the Dis-United States of Ameri-KKK-a!
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Posted by: Axiom69 on Apr 29, 2008 9:20 AM
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Does anyone here on Alternet know of anybody that doesn't have an ID card and cannot afford to obtain one?
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» RE: nlighten me - As many as 18% of the elderly have no ID
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» RE: nlighten me - As many as 18% of the elderly have no ID
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» RE: nlighten me - As many as 18% of the elderly have no ID
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» RE: nlighten me - As many as 18% of the elderly have no ID
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Posted by: CJC on Apr 29, 2008 9:25 AM
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(Someone correct me please, if I have these facts wrong.)
If states want to issue free photo ID cards when one registers to vote then the only burden on the voter is to hold onto the card. But when voter ID's are only available at, say, Depts of Motor Vehicles, or at county offices that may be inaccesible by easy public transportation, if the burden of establishing ID requires other ID like a birth certificate, if long-time registered voters are suddenly unable to vote,
then there's a de facto disenfranchisement.
That's what the now outlawed poll taxes were all about - making it hard for certain classes of voters to vote.
The Supreme Court decision is undemocratic.
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Posted by: Ky Lake Dave on Apr 29, 2008 9:47 AM
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» RE: STOP IT - Just peachy!
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» RE: STOP IT - Just peachy!
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» RE: STOP IT - Just peachy!
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» RE: STOP IT - Just peachy!
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» RE: STOP IT - Just peachy!
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» RE: STOP IT - Just peachy! - Oh - guess you mean like the hypothetical voter fraud
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Apr 29, 2008 10:30 AM
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» In IN, there are "technical job" offerings every election cycle to fudge the voting booth.
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Posted by: billwald on Apr 29, 2008 11:57 AM
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1. post all state voter lists with name and address on the web.
Anyone can then check for dead people and whomever voting.
2. post all national election votes in spread sheet or data list form.
Anyone can then write his own program to tally the votes. Anyone can then see that his vote was listed correctly.
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» RE: end the secret ballot - Read "Black Box Voting"
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Posted by: notmom on Apr 29, 2008 11:56 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Apr 29, 2008 12:09 PM
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» RE: So what does it matter anyway? Third parties are still shut out.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 29, 2008 12:40 PM
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Obama could not have been more clear. He not only severed his relationship with the pastor but denounced him as well. Even so, commentators Chris Mathews and Pat Buchanan said Barack was not credible.
Why? Because they believe he knew about the three -- count 'em -- three YouTube moments snipped from 30 years of preaching.
Oh, really, Chris and Pat? Where's the proof that Obama was aware of the three brief tirades?
There is NO proof!
Mathews and Buchanan should be taken to task for accusing someone of being a liar based on opinion, not facts. They are a disgrace to journalism -- as are the other biased people, Democrats and Republicans, who are helping to lynch Barack Obama.
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» And how exactly does this relate to the article?
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Posted by: Cynic13 on Apr 29, 2008 1:27 PM
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Is there really a rash of people who don't have any form of ID? Since your voting district is determined by where you live, it seems to make sense that information would need to be verified. The details of what you need to vote successfully is usually out there well in advance - I don't understand why it's so hard.
However - I will say that when there is blantant trickery used - legal action needs to be taken.
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Posted by: mgloraine on Apr 29, 2008 4:47 PM
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We can't wait that long; one more week of this phony peanut gallery is too much! The outcome of every case which goes before the Roberts Court can be predicted in advance by asking: "How would Dick Cheney vote on this?"
If we are ever to have an actual working Supreme Court again, we have to first get rid of the Republican ditto-heads presently enthroned, and the most expedient LEGAL remedy would be the imposition of term limits. Eight years is enough (and time already served counts toward this limit). It's the only way we'll ever be able to get rid of the current gang of crooks in less-than-a-lifetime.
Even so, people with serious cases which need to be heard by a REAL Supreme Court will have to withold their cases until there's a chance for actual justice. With Roberts and his Goon Squad still occupying the bench, the defeat of justice is the only possible outcome.
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» RE: Scalia is demonstrably corrupt - It's been well documented - as well you know
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Apr 30, 2008 6:49 AM
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now YOU tell me what really was driving this.
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 30, 2008 11:31 AM
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I also can't help but notice, they are all also members of the owning class...
Want change? Stop listening, trusting, believing, collaborating with the owning class. They are not your friends, they are your enemy.
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Posted by: made2order on Apr 30, 2008 4:32 PM
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7 billion people would or could vote in the USA.
They have to actually be physically standing in
front of the voting booth. But if they ever could, we all know what they would do, Bush
would be history so fast!!! The whole world is
upset with him, little do they know, that he is
actually a clone. Not a double, you mind, but
they have 60 clones of him. No matter who gets
in the white house next, very soon it will be
a clone, too. This ruling today of course is
the fight for the RFID for the NWO. Why don't we
all insist for all politicians to get an RFID
up their asses, so we can keep track of them!!!
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Posted by: liberallibrarian on May 2, 2008 5:38 PM
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(1) no ID is required for absentee voting, which is on the increase, and which has greater potential for fraud
(2) few people come to the polls without proper ID, but there ARE some who do, almost all of them elderly in my experience
(3) the state offers free ID's but has not addressed two barriers to getting them: transportation to the Motor Vehicle Bureau (only place to get them) and cost of getting primary documentation (birth certificate or passport) -- the older you are and the poorer you are, the less likely it is that you have these documents available, and/or the fees and know-how to obtain them
Even though there is no evidence that the ID law addresses actual cases of fraud, I can live with it IF the state can remove any and all barriers to obtaining the necessary ID. If that means waiving fees, subsidizing transportation, whatever -- then the law is reasonable and not unduly burdensome. We haven't gotten there yet.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 3, 2008 6:05 AM
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these 'justices' who have Blanantly SUPPRESSED Voters rights should be Prosecuted by the Indiana State AG. ONE WEEK BEFORE THE PRIMARY?? Please they have become so Brazen they no longer care how such Rulings sheds light on their TREASON!They intentional held off long enough to negate the voters from obtaining such ID's- Notably who do not have a Drivers License becasue they live in theCity and use Public Tansportation, live in outskirts by Choose to use Public Trans (envrionmentalist) and Those who can Not afford a car anyways!It does not take a "Political analyist" Nor A Sociologist to figure out which candidates supporters are going to be adversely effected!this need to be investigated as to WHO pushed this legislation and WHY the 'Justices' timed this 'ruling' as they Did!!!
Scalia also needs to be thrown Out for his lack of comprehension of the mere symantics in the 'Difference' betwen 'Torture & Punishment' 'Innocent until Proven Guilty' Over rules the differnece in timing. You torture when you have already decided someone is Guilty- to get them to confess to their Crimes. You don't torture those you deem Innocent! High Crimes Deserve High Punishment - He's already confessed to his crime on National TV!And we never had to Torture him to get the Truth. People 'confess ' under torture so it will stop even if they know death will be the result- they just want to end the pain !
Scalia's agruement ,as usual, is Circular, thus Illogical and invalid and Criminal for any level of 'Judge'
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Posted by: No Globalization without Representation on Apr 28, 2008 4:45 PM
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» yer just not too bright
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» Indiana offers "free" ID's only one day a year. If your're sick, too bad!
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» Thank you
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Posted by: SufiLizard on Apr 29, 2008 4:38 AM
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Republicans know they do better the lower the voter participation. There was absolutely NO evidence of any voter fraud here in Indiana, but they passed this law anyway -- what could be their motivation to pass a law for a problem that doesn't exist?
Oh, yeah, to improve their chances of winning every election forever. Many counties already use voting machines with no paper trail or any possible way to verify the results.
Need a recount, okay that's simple we'll just look at the number the computers gave us again.
They pass laws all across the country to fight against the non-existent problem of "voter fraud" and completely ignore the massive, wide-spread ELECTION FRAUD perpetrated by Republicans across this country.
But that's okay, most of us will have too much on our minds with the coming of the second Republican Great Depression in less than a century.
Nice work Republicans. And with their efforts to finally be rid of any semblance of real democracy in this country they can prevent another disaster like a Democratic president and Democratic congress bailing us out of this one like FDR did in the 1930's.
So we can have a 100 year Depression to go with our 100 year occupation of Iraq.
After the first 10 or 15 years most people will have forgotten what peace and prosperity was like so we won't know what we're missing.
So go on regressive, conservative trolls keep posting about how democracy is bad for America. Keep touting the magic of the free market. Toss in a little pseudo-Christian prosperity gospel too for good measure.
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Posted by: robbie.seal on Apr 29, 2008 5:55 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 29, 2008 6:47 AM
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It's pretty hard to demonstrate that a law is unconstitutional before anyone's rights have been violated, but that's what plaintiffs tried to argue.
If you read the court's majority opinion, they leave the door wide open for this law to be challenged as soon as the first person with standing is disenfranchised as a result of bringing...say, his or her voter I.D. card, instead of a driver's license.
Our Constitution grants states tremendous leeway in the procedural issues of their own elections. However, when the procedure infringes on our civil rights, that procedure is out of bounds. In effect, the court is right--there is nothing wrong with the law, until it's practice results in disenfranchising a citizen.
Now, lots of folks who lack a historical context will scream "poll tax", "literacy test", and what ever else makes them feel radical. The fact that ID's are freely provided formally--if not in practice--circumvents any means-test.
No doubt, it's a bad law. Shame plaintiffs didn't have the foresight necessary to mount a credible challenge. I suspect they will regroup, rethink, and find someone with standing to bring this law back before the court, where it will probably be overturned--applicable nationwide--by at least 6-3, if the majority opinion is really indicative of the three writers feelings on the matter.
You simply should not be able turn otherwise eligible voters away for lack of a picture. You check their voter ID card, you cross their name off the list, and they go vote. If someone with the same credentials comes in, then you investigate and prosecute for fraud. Not in advance!
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Posted by: citizenjoe on Apr 29, 2008 6:49 AM
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 29, 2008 8:01 AM
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Meanwhile, Rev. Hagee, a hate-filled, Bible-pounding homophobe, is free to attack the gay community with impunity. Why? Because he is white and Rev. Wright is black. It's that simple.
Four years from now, when either McCain or Hillary finish his or her first term in office and the Iraq War is still with us, America will be sorry it lynched Barack Obama.
As for voter ID cards, there is nothing in the GOP-controlled Supreme Court's ruling to prevent states from charging any amount they want for the privilige of exercising citizenship. Don't tell me those "fees" wouldn't be poll taxes to keep poor people, most of them persons of color, from voting.
Welcome to the Dis-United States of Ameri-KKK-a!
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Posted by: Axiom69 on Apr 29, 2008 9:20 AM
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Does anyone here on Alternet know of anybody that doesn't have an ID card and cannot afford to obtain one?
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Posted by: CJC on Apr 29, 2008 9:25 AM
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(Someone correct me please, if I have these facts wrong.)
If states want to issue free photo ID cards when one registers to vote then the only burden on the voter is to hold onto the card. But when voter ID's are only available at, say, Depts of Motor Vehicles, or at county offices that may be inaccesible by easy public transportation, if the burden of establishing ID requires other ID like a birth certificate, if long-time registered voters are suddenly unable to vote,
then there's a de facto disenfranchisement.
That's what the now outlawed poll taxes were all about - making it hard for certain classes of voters to vote.
The Supreme Court decision is undemocratic.
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» RE: STOP IT - Just peachy! - Oh - guess you mean like the hypothetical voter fraud
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Apr 29, 2008 10:30 AM
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» In IN, there are "technical job" offerings every election cycle to fudge the voting booth.
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Posted by: billwald on Apr 29, 2008 11:57 AM
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1. post all state voter lists with name and address on the web.
Anyone can then check for dead people and whomever voting.
2. post all national election votes in spread sheet or data list form.
Anyone can then write his own program to tally the votes. Anyone can then see that his vote was listed correctly.
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Posted by: notmom on Apr 29, 2008 11:56 AM
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 29, 2008 12:40 PM
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Obama could not have been more clear. He not only severed his relationship with the pastor but denounced him as well. Even so, commentators Chris Mathews and Pat Buchanan said Barack was not credible.
Why? Because they believe he knew about the three -- count 'em -- three YouTube moments snipped from 30 years of preaching.
Oh, really, Chris and Pat? Where's the proof that Obama was aware of the three brief tirades?
There is NO proof!
Mathews and Buchanan should be taken to task for accusing someone of being a liar based on opinion, not facts. They are a disgrace to journalism -- as are the other biased people, Democrats and Republicans, who are helping to lynch Barack Obama.
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Posted by: Cynic13 on Apr 29, 2008 1:27 PM
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Is there really a rash of people who don't have any form of ID? Since your voting district is determined by where you live, it seems to make sense that information would need to be verified. The details of what you need to vote successfully is usually out there well in advance - I don't understand why it's so hard.
However - I will say that when there is blantant trickery used - legal action needs to be taken.
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Posted by: mgloraine on Apr 29, 2008 4:47 PM
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We can't wait that long; one more week of this phony peanut gallery is too much! The outcome of every case which goes before the Roberts Court can be predicted in advance by asking: "How would Dick Cheney vote on this?"
If we are ever to have an actual working Supreme Court again, we have to first get rid of the Republican ditto-heads presently enthroned, and the most expedient LEGAL remedy would be the imposition of term limits. Eight years is enough (and time already served counts toward this limit). It's the only way we'll ever be able to get rid of the current gang of crooks in less-than-a-lifetime.
Even so, people with serious cases which need to be heard by a REAL Supreme Court will have to withold their cases until there's a chance for actual justice. With Roberts and his Goon Squad still occupying the bench, the defeat of justice is the only possible outcome.
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Apr 30, 2008 6:49 AM
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now YOU tell me what really was driving this.
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 30, 2008 11:31 AM
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I also can't help but notice, they are all also members of the owning class...
Want change? Stop listening, trusting, believing, collaborating with the owning class. They are not your friends, they are your enemy.
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Posted by: made2order on Apr 30, 2008 4:32 PM
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7 billion people would or could vote in the USA.
They have to actually be physically standing in
front of the voting booth. But if they ever could, we all know what they would do, Bush
would be history so fast!!! The whole world is
upset with him, little do they know, that he is
actually a clone. Not a double, you mind, but
they have 60 clones of him. No matter who gets
in the white house next, very soon it will be
a clone, too. This ruling today of course is
the fight for the RFID for the NWO. Why don't we
all insist for all politicians to get an RFID
up their asses, so we can keep track of them!!!
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Posted by: liberallibrarian on May 2, 2008 5:38 PM
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(1) no ID is required for absentee voting, which is on the increase, and which has greater potential for fraud
(2) few people come to the polls without proper ID, but there ARE some who do, almost all of them elderly in my experience
(3) the state offers free ID's but has not addressed two barriers to getting them: transportation to the Motor Vehicle Bureau (only place to get them) and cost of getting primary documentation (birth certificate or passport) -- the older you are and the poorer you are, the less likely it is that you have these documents available, and/or the fees and know-how to obtain them
Even though there is no evidence that the ID law addresses actual cases of fraud, I can live with it IF the state can remove any and all barriers to obtaining the necessary ID. If that means waiving fees, subsidizing transportation, whatever -- then the law is reasonable and not unduly burdensome. We haven't gotten there yet.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 3, 2008 6:05 AM
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these 'justices' who have Blanantly SUPPRESSED Voters rights should be Prosecuted by the Indiana State AG. ONE WEEK BEFORE THE PRIMARY?? Please they have become so Brazen they no longer care how such Rulings sheds light on their TREASON!They intentional held off long enough to negate the voters from obtaining such ID's- Notably who do not have a Drivers License becasue they live in theCity and use Public Tansportation, live in outskirts by Choose to use Public Trans (envrionmentalist) and Those who can Not afford a car anyways!It does not take a "Political analyist" Nor A Sociologist to figure out which candidates supporters are going to be adversely effected!this need to be investigated as to WHO pushed this legislation and WHY the 'Justices' timed this 'ruling' as they Did!!!
Scalia also needs to be thrown Out for his lack of comprehension of the mere symantics in the 'Difference' betwen 'Torture & Punishment' 'Innocent until Proven Guilty' Over rules the differnece in timing. You torture when you have already decided someone is Guilty- to get them to confess to their Crimes. You don't torture those you deem Innocent! High Crimes Deserve High Punishment - He's already confessed to his crime on National TV!And we never had to Torture him to get the Truth. People 'confess ' under torture so it will stop even if they know death will be the result- they just want to end the pain !
Scalia's agruement ,as usual, is Circular, thus Illogical and invalid and Criminal for any level of 'Judge'
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