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The Pentagon Strangles Our Economy: Why the U.S. Has Gone Broke
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As a result, going into 2008, the United States finds itself in the anomalous position of being unable to pay for its own elevated living standards or its wasteful, overly large military establishment. Its government no longer even attempts to reduce the ruinous expenses of maintaining huge standing armies, replacing the equipment that seven years of wars have destroyed or worn out, or preparing for a war in outer space against unknown adversaries. Instead, the Bush administration puts off these costs for future generations to pay or repudiate. This fiscal irresponsibility has been disguised through many manipulative financial schemes (causing poorer countries to lend us unprecedented sums of money), but the time of reckoning is fast approaching.
There are three broad aspects to the U.S. debt crisis. First, in the current fiscal year (2008) we are spending insane amounts of money on "defense" projects that bear no relation to the national security of the U.S. We are also keeping the income tax burdens on the richest segment of the population at strikingly low levels.
Second, we continue to believe that we can compensate for the accelerating erosion of our base and our loss of jobs to foreign countries through massive military expenditures -- "military Keynesianism" (which I discuss in detail in my book Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic). By that, I mean the mistaken belief that public policies focused on frequent wars, huge expenditures on weapons and munitions, and large standing armies can indefinitely sustain a wealthy capitalist economy. The opposite is actually true.
Third, in our devotion to militarism (despite our limited resources), we are failing to invest in our social infrastructure and other requirements for the long-term health of the U.S. These are what economists call opportunity costs, things not done because we spent our money on something else. Our public education system has deteriorated alarmingly. We have failed to provide health care to all our citizens and neglected our responsibilities as the world's number one polluter. Most important, we have lost our competitiveness as a manufacturer for civilian needs, an infinitely more efficient use of scarce resources than arms manufacturing.
Fiscal disaster
It is virtually impossible to overstate the profligacy of what our government spends on the military. The Department of Defense's planned expenditures for the fiscal year 2008 are larger than all other nations' military budgets combined. The supplementary budget to pay for the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not part of the official defense budget, is itself larger than the combined military budgets of Russia and China. Defense-related spending for fiscal 2008 will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in history. The U.S. has become the largest single seller of arms and munitions to other nations on Earth. Leaving out President Bush's two on-going wars, defense spending has doubled since the mid-1990s. The defense budget for fiscal 2008 is the largest since the second world war.
Before we try to break down and analyze this gargantuan sum, there is one important caveat. Figures on defense spending are notoriously unreliable. The numbers released by the Congressional Reference Service and the Congressional Budget Office do not agree with each other. Robert Higgs, senior fellow for political economy at the Independent Institute, says: "A well-founded rule of thumb is to take the Pentagon's (always well publicized) basic budget total and double it." Even a cursory reading of newspaper articles about the Department of Defense will turn up major differences in statistics about its expenses. Some 30-40% of the defense budget is 'black,'" meaning that these sections contain hidden expenditures for classified projects. There is no possible way to know what they include or whether their total amounts are accurate.
There are many reasons for this budgetary sleight-of-hand -- including a desire for secrecy on the part of the president, the secretary of defense, and the military-industrial complex -- but the chief one is that members of Congress, who profit enormously from defense jobs and pork-barrel projects in their districts, have a political interest in supporting the Department of Defense. In 1996, in an attempt to bring accounting standards within the executive branch closer to those of the civilian economy, Congress passed the Federal Financial Management Improvement Act. It required all federal agencies to hire outside auditors to review their books and release the results to the public. Neither the Department of Defense, nor the Department of Homeland Security, has ever complied. Congress has complained, but not penalized either department for ignoring the law. All numbers released by the Pentagon should be regarded as suspect.
In discussing the fiscal 2008 defense budget, as released on 7 February 2007, I have been guided by two experienced and reliable analysts: William D Hartung of the New America Foundation's Arms and Security Initiative and Fred Kaplan, defense correspondent for Slate.org. They agree that the Department of Defense requested $481.4bn for salaries, operations (except in Iraq and Afghanistan), and equipment. They also agree on a figure of $141.7bn for the "supplemental" budget to fight the global war on terrorism -- that is, the two on-going wars that the general public may think are actually covered by the basic Pentagon budget. The Department of Defense also asked for an extra $93.4bn to pay for hitherto unmentioned war costs in the remainder of 2007 and, most creatively, an additional "allowance" (a new term in defense budget documents) of $50bn to be charged to fiscal year 2009. This makes a total spending request by the Department of Defense of $766.5bn.
But there is much more. In an attempt to disguise the true size of the U.S. military empire, the government has long hidden major military-related expenditures in departments other than Defense. For example, $23.4bn for the Department of Energy goes towards developing and maintaining nuclear warheads; and $25.3bn in the Department of State budget is spent on foreign military assistance (primarily for Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Republic, Egypt and Pakistan). Another $1.03bn outside the official Department of Defense budget is now needed for recruitment and re-enlistment incentives for the overstretched U.S. military, up from a mere $174m in 2003, when the war in Iraq began. The Department of Veterans Affairs currently gets at least $75.7bn, 50% of it for the long-term care of the most seriously injured among the 28,870 soldiers so far wounded in Iraq and 1,708 in Afghanistan. The amount is universally derided as inadequate. Another $46.4bn goes to the Department of Homeland Security.
Missing from this compilation is $1.9bn to the Department of Justice for the paramilitary activities of the FBI; $38.5bn to the Department of the Treasury for the Military Retirement Fund; $7.6bn for the military-related activities of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration; and well over $200bn in interest for past debt-financed defense outlays. This brings U.S. spending for its military establishment during the current fiscal year, conservatively calculated, to at least $1.1 trillion.
Military Keynesianism
Such expenditures are not only morally obscene, they are fiscally unsustainable. Many neo-conservatives and poorly informed patriotic Americans believe that, even though our defense budget is huge, we can afford it because we are the richest country on Earth. That statement is no longer true. The world's richest political entity, according to the CIA's World Factbook, is the European Union. The E.U.'s 2006 GDP was estimated to be slightly larger than that of the U.S. Moreover, China's 2006 GDP was only slightly smaller than that of the U.S., and Japan was the world's fourth richest nation.
A more telling comparison that reveals just how much worse we're doing can be found among the current accounts of various nations. The current account measures the net trade surplus or deficit of a country plus cross-border payments of interest, royalties, dividends, capital gains, foreign aid, and other income. In order for Japan to manufacture anything, it must import all required raw materials. Even after this incredible expense is met, it still has an $88bn per year trade surplus with the U.S. and enjoys the world's second highest current account balance (China is number one). The U.S. is number 163 -- last on the list, worse than countries such as Australia and the U.K. that also have large trade deficits. Its 2006 current account deficit was $811.5bn; second worst was Spain at $106.4bn. This is unsustainable.
It's not just that our tastes for foreign goods, including imported oil, vastly exceed our ability to pay for them. We are financing them through massive borrowing. On 7 November 2007, the U.S. Treasury announced that the national debt had breached $9 trillion for the first time. This was just five weeks after Congress raised the "debt ceiling" to $9.815 trillion. If you begin in 1789, at the moment the constitution became the supreme law of the land, the debt accumulated by the federal government did not top $1 trillion until 1981. When George Bush became president in January 2001, it stood at approximately $5.7 trillion. Since then, it has increased by 45%. This huge debt can be largely explained by our defense expenditures.
The top spenders
The world's top 10 military spenders and the approximate amounts each currently budgets for its military establishment are:

Our excessive military expenditures did not occur over just a few short years or simply because of the Bush administration's policies. They have been going on for a very long time in accordance with a superficially plausible ideology, and have now become so entrenched in our democratic political system that they are starting to wreak havoc. This is military Keynesianism -- the determination to maintain a permanent war economy and to treat military output as an ordinary economic product, even though it makes no contribution to either production or consumption.
This ideology goes back to the first years of the cold war. During the late 1940s, the U.S. was haunted by economic anxieties. The great depression of the 1930s had been overcome only by the war production boom of the second world war. With peace and demobilization, there was a pervasive fear that the depression would return. During 1949, alarmed by the Soviet Union's detonation of an atomic bomb, the looming Communist victory in the Chinese civil war, a domestic recession, and the lowering of the Iron Curtain around the USSR's European satellites, the U.S. sought to draft basic strategy for the emerging cold war. The result was the militaristic National Security Council Report 68 (NSC-68) drafted under the supervision of Paul Nitze, then head of the Policy Planning Staff in the State Department. Dated 14 April 1950 and signed by President Harry S. Truman on 30 September 1950, it laid out the basic public economic policies that the U.S. pursues to the present day.
In its conclusions, NSC-68 asserted: "One of the most significant lessons of our World War II experience was that the American economy, when it operates at a level approaching full efficiency, can provide enormous resources for purposes other than civilian consumption while simultaneously providing a high standard of living."
With this understanding, U.S. strategists began to build up a massive munitions industry, both to counter the military might of the Soviet Union (which they consistently overstated) and also to maintain full employment, as well as ward off a possible return of the depression. The result was that, under Pentagon leadership, entire new industries were created to manufacture large aircraft, nuclear-powered submarines, nuclear warheads, intercontinental ballistic missiles, and surveillance and communications satellites. This led to what President Eisenhower warned against in his farewell address of 6 February 1961: "The conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience" -- the military-industrial complex.
By 1990 the value of the weapons, equipment and factories devoted to the Department of Defense was 83% of the value of all plants and equipment in U.S. manufacturing. From 1947 to 1990, the combined U.S. military budgets amounted to $8.7 trillion. Even though the Soviet Union no longer exists, U.S. reliance on military Keynesianism has, if anything, ratcheted up, thanks to the massive vested interests that have become entrenched around the military establishment. Over time, a commitment to both guns and butter has proven an unstable configuration. Military industries crowd out the civilian economy and lead to severe economic weaknesses. Devotion to military Keynesianism is a form of slow economic suicide.
Higher spending, fewer jobs
On 1 May 2007, the Center for Economic and Policy Research of Washington, DC, released a study prepared by the economic and political forecasting company Global Insight on the long-term economic impact of increased military spending. Guided by economist Dean Baker, this research showed that, after an initial demand stimulus, by about the sixth year the effect of increased military spending turns negative. The U.S. economy has had to cope with growing defense spending for more than 60 years. Baker found that, after 10 years of higher defense spending, there would be 464,000 fewer jobs than in a scenario that involved lower defense spending.
Baker concluded: "It is often believed that wars and military spending increases are good for the economy. In fact, most economic models show that military spending diverts resources from productive uses, such as consumption and investment, and ultimately slows economic growth and reduces employment."
These are only some of the many deleterious effects of military Keynesianism.
It was believed that the U.S. could afford both a massive military establishment and a high standard of living, and that it needed both to maintain full employment. But it did not work out that way. By the 1960s it was becoming apparent that turning over the nation's largest manufacturing enterprises to the Department of Defense and producing goods without any investment or consumption value was starting to crowd out civilian economic activities. The historian Thomas E Woods Jr. observes that, during the 1950s and 1960s, between one-third and two-thirds of all U.S. research talent was siphoned off into the military sector. It is, of course, impossible to know what innovations never appeared as a result of this diversion of resources and brainpower into the service of the military, but it was during the 1960s that we first began to notice Japan was outpacing us in the design and quality of a range of consumer goods, including household electronics and automobiles.
Can we reverse the trend?
Nuclear weapons furnish a striking illustration of these anomalies. Between the 1940s and 1996, the U.S. spent at least $5.8 trillion on the development, testing and construction of nuclear bombs. By 1967, the peak year of its nuclear stockpile, the U.S. possessed some 32,500 deliverable atomic and hydrogen bombs, none of which, thankfully, was ever used. They perfectly illustrate the Keynesian principle that the government can provide make-work jobs to keep people employed. Nuclear weapons were not just America's secret weapon, but also its secret economic weapon. As of 2006, we still had 9,960 of them. There is today no sane use for them, while the trillions spent on them could have been used to solve the problems of social security and health care, quality education and access to higher education for all, not to speak of the retention of highly-skilled jobs within the economy.
The pioneer in analyzing what has been lost as a result of military Keynesianism was the late Seymour Melman (1917-2004), a professor of industrial engineering and operations research at Columbia University. His 1970 book, Pentagon Capitalism: The Political Economy of War, was a prescient analysis of the unintended consequences of the U.S. preoccupation with its armed forces and their weaponry since the onset of the cold war. Melman wrote: "From 1946 to 1969, the United States government spent over $1,000bn on the military, more than half of this under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations -- the period during which the [Pentagon-dominated] state management was established as a formal institution. This sum of staggering size (try to visualize a billion of something) does not express the cost of the military establishment to the nation as a whole. The true cost is measured by what has been foregone, by the accumulated deterioration in many facets of life, by the inability to alleviate human wretchedness of long duration."
In an important exegesis on Melman's relevance to the current American economic situation, Thomas Woods writes: "According to the U.S. Department of Defense, during the four decades from 1947 through 1987 it used (in 1982 dollars) $7.62 trillion in capital resources. In 1985, the Department of Commerce estimated the value of the nation's plant and equipment, and infrastructure, at just over $7.29 trillion ... The amount spent over that period could have doubled the American capital stock or modernized and replaced its existing stock."
The fact that we did not modernize or replace our capital assets is one of the main reasons why, by the turn of the 21st century, our manufacturing base had all but evaporated. Machine tools, an industry on which Melman was an authority, are a particularly important symptom. In November 1968, a five-year inventory disclosed "that 64% of the metalworking machine tools used in U.S. industry were 10 years old or older. The age of this industrial equipment (drills, lathes, etc.) marks the United States' machine tool stock as the oldest among all major industrial nations, and it marks the continuation of a deterioration process that began with the end of the second world war. This deterioration at the base of the industrial system certifies to the continuous debilitating and depleting effect that the military use of capital and research and development talent has had on American industry."
Nothing has been done since 1968 to reverse these trends and it shows today in our massive imports of equipment -- from medical machines like proton accelerators for radiological therapy (made primarily in Belgium, Germany, and Japan) to cars and trucks.
Our short tenure as the world's lone superpower has come to an end. As Harvard economics professor Benjamin Friedman has written: "Again and again it has always been the world's leading lending country that has been the premier country in terms of political influence, diplomatic influence and cultural influence. It's no accident that we took over the role from the British at the same time that we took over the job of being the world's leading lending country. Today we are no longer the world's leading lending country. In fact we are now the world's biggest debtor country, and we are continuing to wield influence on the basis of military prowess alone."
Some of the damage can never be rectified. There are, however, some steps that the U.S. urgently needs to take. These include reversing Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for the wealthy, beginning to liquidate our global empire of over 800 military bases, cutting from the defense budget all projects that bear no relationship to national security and ceasing to use the defense budget as a Keynesian jobs program.
If we do these things we have a chance of squeaking by. If we don't, we face probable national insolvency and a long depression.
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Posted by: vox persona on Apr 26, 2008 12:55 AM
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The fact is, that a perfect storm occured in 2000 when the vote was close enough for a hack partisan 'Supreme' Court stopped the determination of Florida voter intent to annoint their boy, which was little more than a corporation in a suit. At that point, all bets were off. What followed was a full scale transfer from taxpayer coffers to the MilIndComp, corporate cronies and war profiteers. What is occurring is a bald-faced heist as these cretins whip up the fear of the sheeple, then in a masterful bait-and-switch feat of misdirection combined with a soul-less ability to absolutely never be honest, they used a preventable (convenient) attack on home soil, as they either looked the other way or deliberately "allowed' the attack that PNAC previously stated was necessary to carry out their pre-existing agenda. With Iraqi oil maps on the table at Cheney's 'secret' energy policy meeting with the likes of Ken Lay and ilk, they plotted their slam dunk of an unholy war, sacrificing American and Iraqi lives (as well as those of the 'coalition of the coerced') like so many chess pawns; and selling their unholy war like so much snake oil. So now we spend $5-6,000 PER SECOND since this godawful thing was set into motion, going to everything from corrupt Iraqi officials to no-bid contracts to Cheney's former (and future?) masters in the ultimate insider trader scam. Start a bogus war, make sure cronies get obscenely rich, keep the fear stoked, and stay in power at all costs. Surely this qualifies as Iraq's own little Armegeddon, brought to us by flat-earthers who want to speed up the return of the Messiah, while ironically becoming mammon in the process. Power is all to these devils. There is no doubt in my mind that they mean to have a shooting war with Iraq before the election. It's textbook, page two. All they need is a fortuitously timed "lucky" attack again at the exact right time to enact all those unconstitutional executive orders (find that in the Constitution for me, please), and presidential directives that greased the skids to declaring martial law. What do they have to lose? They are almost out of chips, and out of time. It's almost time for the big power play/false flag. What is their other option? Facing war crimes tribunals? That is, if Democrats can ever grow a spine. I read that Bush bought an estate in Paraguay, and Cheney dumped millions to buy Euros and related securities, like a rats jumping from the ship they set on fire. It's all like someslow motion, theatre of the sbsurd nightmare I can't wake myself from. Let's just hope they leave peacefully, but I fear the damage they've already done is irreversible. CHEERS!
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Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 26, 2008 2:08 AM
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Would you want to live in a world where those countries dictated all the terms of trade and liberty? I can assure you, if that were to come about 99 per cent of Alternet users would be rotting in a prison camp somewhere or would be dead. Naomi Klein would have been executed long ago, not made rich by her books.
I don't like it either, I don't like the wars the waste or the corruption, but we need alternative ideas that are based on the realities of the power games of the world, and how do you not only protect and defend liberty, but also extend it?
Any constructive ideas are welcome!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 26, 2008 5:05 AM
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I have seen My party Morph into something I know longer Recognize and now see the subverting of my values and the obviousness of their tactics and goals playing out before my eyes & ears.
Frankly I can Not understand how anyone can consider Hillary a Dem, and buy her crap about all she's done for Our party over the last 35 yrs. The Working & Middle Class has been basically gutted and hung out to dry, Women are still fighting for equal pay, roe v Wade is on the Ropes and her recent confession to her espionge- "Obliterate' Iran with Nukes. The DNC should kick her ass Out. She's worse than Lieberman, at least he finally defected half way across the enemy lines. I see No Difference between her & Mac- Corporationists seizing our Country. The media perpetuates this treason by parroting the oxymoron "Reagan Democrats" there was no such thing then, We ahted him and saw what his Puppet master were Up to then and are still victims of today.
She is not OUR girl- she is Cheney & Co girl- Dick In Drag!"Devil In the Blue Dress"
It time both parties kick these infiltrators out of our Parties- get back the Purity of each- so real intellectual discussion regarding our countries welfare can be addressed. It is time these Corp Criminals hiding in 'public Office' get their own Party and TRY to get people to vote for their Profiteering Platform.
If the 'Neo Dems'/ 'Reagan Democrats' steal this nomination away from OUR cnadidate and hand it to this Carpetbagger- i will never vote for another Poser again! Perhps Real Dems and Real Republicans should leave and start our Own party- the Patriot party
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It may be sound like a fantasy now but thirty years ago the Saudis made a generous offer to buy the Alamo from Texas and ship it back to their desert. Of course, it was declined. But that was then.......
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 26, 2008 6:17 AM
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Absolutely not -- as evidenced by her goal of establishing a nuclear umbrella over the Middle East that would "obliterate Iran" (her words) should it attack Israel, Jordan, Egypt or Saudi Arabia. That's exactly what the military-industrial war mongers wanted to hear.
Obama, on the other hand, rejects Hillary's belligerent neocon approach to foreign policy -- one reason she is determined to destroy him, with help from the Republican Party.
So who will I support in November if Mrs. Sniper Fire steals the Democratic nomination?
Not her, for sure, and absolutely not John McCain. I will keep faith with myself and write in Barrack on my ballot. If every Obama supporter did that, theoretically he could win the election.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 26, 2008 6:35 AM
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America could have been a paradise. And now our very survival depends on us keeping the world supplied with weapons of death. Think about that. Were world peace suddenly to envelope the Planet Earth, the United States of America would whither and die. Oh, no. We cannot allow that to happen.
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» Sad but true, Southern Gal.
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» Empire Coup d'etat --- includes MIC, oil, and Wall Street.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Apr 26, 2008 8:00 AM
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Here's another article concerning opportunity costs that rarely if ever get metioned.
Global Warming and the Iraq War
# If the war were ranked as a country in terms of annual emissions, it would emit more CO2 each year than 139 of the world’s nations do, more than 60% of all countries on the planet.
# Just the $600 billion that Congress has allocated for military operations in Iraq to date could have built over 9000 wind farms (at 50 MW capacity each), with the overall capacity to meet a quarter of the country’s current electricity demand. If 25% of our power came from wind, rather than coal, it would reduce US GHG emissions by over 1 billion metric tons of CO2 per year – equivalent to approximately 1/6 of the country’s total CO2 emissions in 2006.
# In 2006, the US spent more on the war in Iraq than the whole world spent on investment in renewable energy.
# US presidential candidate Barack Obama has committed to spending “$150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of green energy technology and infrastructure.” The US spends nearly that much on the war in Iraq in just 10 months.
I've thought it often and wondered even more if the war machine was going to burn all of Iraq's oil. Good job amerika!
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» RE: Who do we fight these wars for?
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» RE: Who do we fight these wars for? - enough with your anti-semitic crap already!
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» alternet has always had intelligent readers. it's the people posting who come off as deficient
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» pfft! as though israel doesn't figure into all this
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» How does Israel influence the $500 billion US military budget? They only get $5 billion a year
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» that's possibly the stupidest thing you have ever posted
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» and this is old news, at that
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» this is a different statement than you made before
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 26, 2008 8:27 AM
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If we had spent a similar amount on solar and wind R&D and manufacturing, we'd have an entirely fossil-fuel free energy system right now, which would meet all our energy needs without producing any pollutants.
Just a fact.
If we had spent $3 trillion on renewable energy in five years, we'd have spent $10,000 for every single U.S. citizen - definitely enough to put a solar panel system on every single home in the United States.
Vested interests like the status quo - and they own and control the press, so such things just aren't discussed in public. The NYT or the WP won't publish honest articles on energy without getting tons of soundbites from fossil fuel PR monkeys who always claim that "the technology is just too expensive."
For more, see the ridiculous amount of energy that the U.S. military consumes, and consider the skyrocketing cost of oil:
http://www.energybulletin.net/29925.html
It's the same with energy and with money:
US military energy consumption- facts and figures by Sohbet Karbuz
As the saying goes, facts are many but the truth is one. The truth is that the U.S. military is the single largest consumer of energy in the world. But as a wise man once said, don't confuse facts with reality. The reality is that even U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) does not know precisely where and how much energy it consumes. This is my Fact Zero. . .
FACT 1: The DoD's total primary energy consumption in Fiscal Year 2006 was 1100 trillion Btu. It corresponds to only 1% of total energy consumption in USA. For those of you who think that this is not much then read the next sentence. Nigeria, with a population of more than 140 million, consumes as much energy as the U.S. military..
It goes on and on - and the actual amount used could easily be twice what is reported (there are no reports on overseas U.S. military fuel consumption).
So, maybe if we can get the military to go to renewable energy, it will trickle down to the rest of us! But no, the military is now pushing for jet fuel from coal. .. .yes, coal. Cheney is thrilled.
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Posted by: eldoradoman1953 on Apr 26, 2008 8:33 AM
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Posted by: nfamous on Apr 26, 2008 8:33 AM
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The fix for the military industrial complex is not congressional reform or more diplomacy or even shutting down half of the bases. The fix is white people coming to grips with their innate fear that cause them to act out of greed and apathy toward all other life forms on this planet. It is whites realizing that many of them are missing the spiritual component that binds human beings together with each other and the universe. Put simply, it's time for whites to stop being afraid of the dark, pun intended.
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» So White fear is a key motivator for Condi Rice and Collin Powell?
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» Those damn white Hutus and Tutsis...Pol Pot was white too, oh yeh.
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» Wow. What a heaping, steaming pile of dung. Get over yourself, please...
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» White fear is part of this, but not the main part
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» RE: White fear is part of this... sure it is.
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» RE: White fear is part of this... sure it is.
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» RE: White fear is part of this... sure it is. Lauren is correct up to
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» Race is not a primordial factor in anything but rather becomes a mallible political construct
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» nfamous: it's not always about you.
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» pfft!
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» RE: pfft! israel double no good,racism double no good WTF
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 26, 2008 12:54 PM
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Here is why TC attacked me.
Because I'm a Vietnam veteran who dislikes smear campaigns against U.S. military men and women, last year I defended General Petraeus during the MoveOn.org "Betraus" controversy. My stance raised Thoughtcriminal's ire and he personally attacked me, despite my right to have an opinion.
This year I changed my mind about the general's motivation and now consider him to be a politician, not a patriot. I told Thoughtcriminal that on a previous thread after he called me a Petraeus stooge.
Even so, despite my explanation -- a plea to leave me alone, actually -- Thoughtcriminal has continued his personal campaign to destroy my Alternet credibility, such as calling me a "Petraeus pimp" on this thread.
The sad part is, TC is a damn good writer. And while his comments are rather lengthy, I always read them. However, now I see a dark side to his personality. Rather than argue with facts, he resorts, in my case, to the same Karl Rove tactics Republicans use. Hopefully this plea will cause TC to moderate his responses to my comments.
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» Which makes your position on 9/11 truth all the more "interesting", shall we say, tc.
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» What have you done to help stop the Iraq War, TC? Apparently NOTHING!
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» and thoughtcriminal proves he's an asshole, so what?
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» by whom?
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Posted by: JohnJlws on Apr 26, 2008 2:50 PM
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What's really phenomenal about these outrageous, obscene expenditures is there are actually people, even on this forum, who defend them with asinine statements like "show me an alternative." Okay, how about some inkling of reasonableness, how about if we eliminate star wars, how about if we get rid of every major new, revamped or "system in waiting" weapons system designed to take out the Soviet Union (they don't exist any longer), how about if we say for every $50 we spend on the military education gets $10, infrastructure gets $20 and world hunger relief gets $1, how about, how about we require a true accounting of this nonsense, how about if we have a balanced budget amendment (I have one in my house--it's called "creditors")? By god, who are we so damned afraid of? The guys in the dresses, living in the caves? Well, Star Wars, nuclear subs and all that heavy armor ain't stopping them; they use box openers, cell phones and, when they can't find better, bombs made out of junk like fertilizer. You want to stop these goofs? Get rid of our dependence on oil, secure our borders, secure our ports, invest in technology and science and intelligence, build rapid strike forces for starters
The current dumb ass has been by far the worse, but this "let's spend ourselves to security through our military" goes back through Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc., etc., etc. I don't want to say let's throw out the government, but we're getting to the point that we better do something pretty damn radical.
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Posted by: estherme on Apr 26, 2008 2:51 PM
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1. Who authorized the expenditure?
2. Whose budget are the expenses drawn
against?
3. Did Congress authorize the expenditure?
4. Whose committee has oversight for the
management of the citizen's tax dollars?
5. By law, there has to be committee over-
sight and the money has to orginate with
the Congress!
Is this another CIA operation as when they brought drugs into the country to finance their illegal operations thus didn't have to get the money from Congress or answer to Congress! They had their own drug cartel,that is how our country got infested with illegal drugs and now there is so much gov't/CIA involvement in drug traffic and payoffs, the "War on Drugs" is a joke! Is this Chemtrail spraying a military venture? If you control the air,food and water, you control the people! The fuel for this operation alone can bankrupt us. I have seen 3 planes at a time doing the daily criss-cross spraying! It is done daily all over the country, think about the cost. Some websites to see:
www.educate-yourself.org/ct (Chemtrail Intro. 17 pages) www.drewswebsite.com (look for Chemtrails) www.rgv.no scroll down to 09- enviroment/climate/chemtrails. The toxic environment of Chemtrails, documentary video "Aerosol Crimes" 1st edition on the dangers to our health and planet. A 1 hour 30 minute video.(you can watch in segments). www.carnicom.com/conright.htm "Aerosol Operation Crimes & Cover-up" 9 pages of info, photos,links by Clifford E. Carnicom researcher. You tube has videos on these Cemtrails which are not jet contrails taking visitors on vacation. You can Video search www.altavista.com & www.dogpile.com just type in Chemtrails & click videos and you can view many videos/information on the subject. More questions: Is this spraying for weather changes, magnetic experiments, bological warefare tests, or maybe a way to kill off some population? Don't put it past our government to do something to kill off the "baby boomer polulation" to avoid giving them their SS and if other die, well thats a bonus for them. They only thing they want to protect is the wealthy & big corporations. Look into this government's CIA & military history of experiments on people, dirty deeds, assassinations etc., etc. If you don't believe they would do these things, you are living in an "American Idol" dumbed down world or haven't done any research on the subjects.
Maybe people can't handle the idea of so much corruption in our government or are afraid to admit it!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgQ4qdKCNqY
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Posted by: CV on Apr 26, 2008 3:45 PM
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In 2006, anticipating the real property market value "deflation," I sold my condo in LA and began renting. I figured the market would settle by at least 20% and I'd rather spend or invest that cash instead of watching it evaporate into thin market air. I bought a hybrid, because once I saw the statistic that 1 out of 3 cars on the road were SUVs, I knew we were in for another "gas crunch" a la the 70's. I'm no psychic - I just pay attention and remember our history. I read all of the positive market reports and scoffed - as I recall from Econ 101, the word is "suasion" - convince people the ride will continue and the "sheeple" (terrific term!) will get on board until the train crashes. The train wreck has already happened, but our government and "market forces" refuse to acknowledge the body count. Sometimes I think the criminals running the game actually want to see our country destroyed, although I cannot fathom the "why" of it. So I bought some land in Costa Rica, where they have no military, a peace accord with surrounding countries (for which the President who negotiated it won a Nobel Peace Prize), free health care to residents (and very reasonable health insurance and medical costs as an option); where they are dedicated to ecological preservation, etc., etc., and where I could easily live on my SSI without tapping capital - living simply, but living well.
Of course there are no disneylands or huge shopping malls or hundreds of amusing distractions. The cows are grassfed, hormones in feed is unknown. Electricity is hydroelectric (a system beginning to be stressed by development). Not sure of my course - have met a number of ex-pats - but it's comforting to have a reasonable possibility if things here continue to go straight to hades.
And if Obama does not win the Dem nomination, I will follow the example of another poster here - I will write him in. Originally, I had thought to vote for whomever the Dem candidate would be. Now I don't know that I can stomach voting for Clinton - but the thought of McCain is even scarier.
What a blankety-blank mess. Revolution, anyone?
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Posted by: Kahoneez on Apr 26, 2008 4:24 PM
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Another way to look at it , you are paying one guy to install a thousand dollar part , instead of paying 100 hundred guys to install a ten dollar part .
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Direct Democracy
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Posted by: williameon on Apr 27, 2008 5:41 AM
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The Wheel goes Round and Round till
The Hamster Drops Dead.
What Changed?
The Illusion Continues......
The Sheeple are getting Skittish!
Consumerism is about to die.
What will fill the void?
In their empty lives?
More
Corpirate Dribble?
They are running out of food, they have no heat, gas is too expensive and the rationing has begun!
The Enslavement to War continues!
The Pens are built, the Barricades up and The Dark Army
Occupies the Land.
Did you really think it was going to get better?
With these Psychopaths running THE SHOW?
The only question now is?
Who is next?
And are you going to wait in line
To Play
BUSH/CHAINEY
Russian roulette!
And
The question is?
Where you better off eight years ago than you are today?
Do you feel safer now?
Is a miserly payout of Six Hundred devalued Dollars Worth?
The Pain, Suffering and
A Ten Trillion Dollar Debt?
What would you rather have?
A Consumer Based Economy with:
Cheap Gas, Green Cars, Clean Air, Health Care, College Education, Lower TAXES and No DEBT
Or
A Pile of DEAD KIDS?
Now how
The FUNK are we going to get it?
Stop the excuses.
Time has run out.
It is sink or swim.
Or are you so?
Ignorant, Brainwashed and Naïve?
That you still believe The BU__! SH__! ?
After all their lies, deceit, corruption, hypocrisy, death and destruction?
You still believe these charlatans?
The Water Boards are for you and
The Fences are here?
To keep you in.
Who will spin the wheel?
After all The Rats leave the sinking ship?
A few last drops of blood to squeeze!
Whilst they flee.
They relish in delight
When you tremble.
Grog Bless The King
King George II
The King
Who hath?
No Cloths....and
The Schmoes who believed him.
You made your bed,
Now sleep in it!
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Posted by: williameon on Apr 27, 2008 5:58 AM
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The BAD example.
The Sheeple start acting like Chimps.
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Posted by: Missing Piece on Apr 27, 2008 8:32 AM
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I come to you in a time of great peril, in which our most basic rites have been taken from us and we do nothing. What good is the constitution without Habeous Corpus? If the government never has to charge you with a crime and can hold you indefinitely simply because they label you an enemy combatant then what good is the Constitution? If we vote on electronic machines that don't print a paper receipt and therefore are impossible to validate then what good is our vote?
If we don't fix these two most basic rites then we will never have what our founders fought for and created for us, EQUALITY AND FREEDOM.
The terrorists are winning, but who are the terrorists?
Call your representative and demand your vote be validated.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9841.html
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Posted by: amacd on Apr 27, 2008 9:01 AM
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The ‘corporatist Empire’ hiding behind the façade of this two-party ‘Vichy’ government certainly manipulates unjustified Pentagon spending to loot our public treasury for the ‘oil and weapons faction’ of the empire ---- but ALSO the very same corrupt, two-party, ‘Vichy’ government steals approximately the same vast sums from our common-wealth by funneling loads of loot to the ‘financial and Wall Street faction’ of the very same empire.
Yes, Chalmers, this single unified Empire, which you so accurately define in your “Empire Project” trilogy, not only strangles our real (peoples’) economy to run rough-shod over the globe and spend hundreds of billions per year with subsidies for weapons corporations to protect oil corporations, but the very same ruling empire also has recently shown how they can directly steal the same hundreds of billions straight out of the US public treasury to subsidize investment banking corporations, hedge fund whores, private equity pirates, and other crooked Wall Street corporations on the dole.
Even FOX would be delighted that the ‘corporatist Empire’ hiding behind this façade of ‘Vichy’ American faux-government is now receiving ‘fair and balanced’ looting-rights to the peoples’ taxes, and our American ‘common-wealth’ ---- in that only $3 Billion dollars per week is being spent for the ‘oil and weapons faction’ of the corporatist Empire in its Iraq oil-war, now that an accelerated $30 B per week is being given by the FED (through its new IBTW – Investment Bank Thievery Window) to the ‘financial faction’ of the very same corporatist Empire on Wall Street.
At this improved rate of ‘fair and balanced’ corporate welfare to the ‘financial faction’ of the empire it should equitably catch up with the ‘oil and weapons faction’ of the empire ----- with both the oil/weapons and financial factions coming up to approximately an equal $1 Trillion each of corporate looting of taxpayer dollars ---- by the time that the current faux-Emperor retires and the next, ‘opposition party’ (sic), corporatist Emperor is installed in January 2009.
Hint: Look for the Wall Street crooks to start defaulting in May on those supposed 'loans' from the FED, and simply stealing the cash just like the weapons and oil corporations do in Iraq.
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Posted by: Nigelthebriton on Apr 27, 2008 10:02 AM
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I love cats, by the way!
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Posted by: chlamor on Apr 27, 2008 11:30 AM
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The death toll of the Democrats is quite large:
Greek Civil War: 160,000 (Truman)
Korean War: 3 million (Truman)
Assault on Indochina: 5 million (started under Truman, accelerated under Kennedy & LBJ)
Coup in Indonesia: 1 million (LBJ)
East Timor: 100,000 (Carter)
Kwangju Massacre: 2000 (Carter)
Argentine Dirty War: 30,000 (mostly Carter)
Iraq sanctions: 1.5 million (mostly Clinton)
Turkish Kurdistan: 40,000 (mostly Clinton)
That's at least 10,8022,000 killed by democrats, 9,292,000 if one only counts the liberal governments (Clinton wasn't really a liberal). For comparison, the Nazi holocaust killed roughly 6,000,000 Jews. And this is just the tip of the iceberg; these are only the most famous incidents over the last couple of decades. If you add up the total from periods preceding this and the less famous incidents the number get much, much higher. If you add in starvation (a direct result of capitalism) it gets even higher.
Democrats could have stopped the congressional authorization for the Iraq war (via filibustering) but instead lots of them defected to the warmongers’ side. They could have stopped many of the nasty things the Republicans are doing by filibuster but choose not to. Many democrats actively supported the war. Most of those who did oppose it offered little opposition, chickening out when the shooting started and either abstained or voted in favor of the pro-war "support our troops" resolution in March. Even Dennis Kucinich, leader of the "anti-war" opposition in the house, abstained from the vote instead of voting against it. It was only after Bush's war started going sour that vocal criticism began to come from democrats, which is completely opportunistic. Bush's lies and fabrications about the Niger Uranium had already been exposed prior to the war, but it wasn't until after the invasion was completed and the democrats needed an issue to attack Bush with that they started whining about it.
The Democratic Party, the party of slavery, has a long history of mass murder and empire building. They are not an alternative to the American Empire. Especially on foreign policy, there is remarkable consistency between republican and democratic administrations. If the Nuremberg standards were applied every President since World War Two, both democrat and republican, would have to be hung. Both parties have the same basic goals; they just disagree on minor details.
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» concentration camp death totals
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Posted by: jobeob on Apr 27, 2008 12:05 PM
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My third grader Anna is now studying basic economics one of the things she learned is that any choice has opportunity cost. In other words if you spend your money on one thing you won't be able to save it or spend it on something else. So I asked her "what is the opportunity cost of our country spending three trillion dollars on this war?" Her answer "Peace" I think she is brilliant.
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I hope you survive this terrible government and situation, and I also hope all with actual power will be jailed for war crime. I'm wondering why Americans powers-that-be never get accused for war crime, or do/can they? Where's the UN when we need it? I'm aware UN is controlled by USA, so I don't expect too much. Probably both EU and China are better "antagonists with a heart" than UN is.
Sorry for my rant. I'm aware my country also has its share of problems, including the usual "poor pay for the rich and crazy" scheme, and that politicians have no morals.
If you have a list of what countries lend money to USA I'd be happy to read it. I hope my taxes are not going to that. It's enough we pay billions to EU.
Cheers
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Posted by: Ralpho on Apr 28, 2008 12:11 AM
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But suppose there are not sufficient natural resources to satisfy demand? At that point the habit of stoking the economic furnace simply by turning up the thermostat fails to work its expected miracle.
Oil, in particular, has supplied the powerful and conveniently deployed energy to create goods and services. The US was a net exporter of oil until some time in the 1960s, due to enormous discoveries of black liquids beneath Texas, Oklahoma and California. The rate of extraction of domestic petroleum was always able to increase to fuel the automobiles, tanks and airplanes necessary to satisfy any level of demand.
But for any mineral resource, the pace of extraction eventually slows, as poorer veins of ore or deeper deposits of oil must be mined. In 1971 the US rate of extraction of domestic petroleum reached a maximum and then began to decline.
At that moment, the era of US prosperity based on unlimited availability of cheap fuel came to an end. Large-scale imports of petroleum began to arrive on our shores from various parts of the world, particularly from the Persian Gulf countries. The US gradually transformed itself from a wealthy producer to a poor but militarily powerful consumer.
In the new era, as long as cheap oil could be pried from the hands of client regimes throughout the world, the US lifestyle could be maintained and expanded. Essentially our economy began to thrive only by theft of other countries' resources. This is of course the colonial model.
Colonial-style exploitation (also known as empire building) as a method of gaining one's living never lasts for very long. For the US, that wondrous period has now decisively come to an end. The old laws of economics no longer function. But our government does not yet fully comprehend that the rules have changed.
The paradox of reliance on demand to generate prosperity has finally been resolved. Now we must somehow begin to earn our living rather than simply extract it from underground deposits of unexploited wealth.
For a country of 300 million human inhabitants spread over a vast continent, and dependent on cheap transportation for its extravagant way of life, that transition must usher in an era of harsh necessity. How well the US will succeed in coping with this scary new age is as yet unknown.
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Posted by: ChairmanMetal on Apr 28, 2008 8:05 AM
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Sure, the DOD goes through the motions of competitive bidding -- or it did until our Iraq misadventure began. But cost and deadline overruns rule the day and the drain on public funds continues unchecked.
Perhaps the upcoming election will bring into positions of leadership people who will put an end to this criminal irresponsibility. Let us pray.
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Posted by: Johanna Moren on Apr 28, 2008 8:51 AM
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Now what is happening, America is going broke.
China and Russia are doing exceptioally well.
Latin America is getting out from under their controll. Asian and Africa eventually may get out of their controll also.
They could have been a power for good, but they weren't.
Perhaps it is true, that your sins always catch up with you.
Johanna Moren
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on May 2, 2008 2:21 PM
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At least one TRILLION of that sum is still "missing" and unaccounted for.
The bloody cost of public global empire for the benefit of a private parasite ruling class (which runs such traps as the private "Federal Reserve" Corp that was never federal and has no reserves but a Ponzi scheme) is not new.
The British Empire ruled by its privately run "Bank of England" was led down essentially the same debt wracked rabbit hole into what amounted to a 2nd world power. Although Britain never quite gave up its global Ponzi scheme banking leadership role, the controlled destruction of its global empire and military status was by design and not some random series of policy events.
Under laughably corrupt "Fed" "leadership" the U.S. has apparently outlived its usefulness to the same parasite corporate ruling class that demolished England. The destruction is happening before our eyes and is going forward quite rapidly indeed.
Not to worry – there are pointless mock elections, American Idol, NASCAR, Paris Hilton, etc, etc, for Americans to fawn over on the way down.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on May 2, 2008 2:21 PM
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At least one TRILLION of that sum is still "missing" and unaccounted for.
The bloody cost of public global empire for the benefit of a private parasite ruling class (which runs such traps as the private "Federal Reserve" Corp that was never federal and has no reserves but a Ponzi scheme) is not new.
The British Empire ruled by its privately run "Bank of England" was led down essentially the same debt wracked rabbit hole into what amounted to a 2nd world power. Although Britain never quite gave up its global Ponzi scheme banking leadership role, the controlled destruction of its global empire and military status was by design and not some random series of policy events.
Under laughably corrupt "Fed" "leadership" the U.S. has apparently outlived its usefulness to the same parasite corporate ruling class that demolished England. The destruction is happening before our eyes and is going forward quite rapidly indeed.
Not to worry – there are pointless mock elections, American Idol, NASCAR, Paris Hilton, etc, etc, for Americans to fawn over on the way down.
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Posted by: rossbcan on May 11, 2008 4:53 AM
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The biggest "mistake" of government and law is failure to realize that there is absolutely zero possibility of social or group consensus on any issue where it is "necessary" that something be taken from some without agreed compensation and given to others without any requirement except they exist, demand and will vote for whoever promises their definition of "fairness". In other words, entitlements and appeasement. This creates a great deal of unproductive conflict and "work" for government, law and "intellectuals" who provide rationalizations of why they are "necessary"
Our social "problem solvers" occupy a monopoly position. Monopolies have zero interest in solving problems and great incentive to create problems, since problems are their bread and butter. "Pretending" to solve problems and oiling ever changing "squeaky wheels" provides the illusion that they are "necessary" and we must be micromanaged economic serfs to pay for this.
It is an irrefutable fact that the only way to have any civilization (co-operation for MUTUAL self-interest) is by division of labor and to use our capital and labor in a productive manner, with minimal waste. Every past civilization had at the root of its collapse the destruction of division of labor and inability of populations to survive if they followed the "rules" of their elite predators.
The dynamics of how unproductive waste of social resources (including unnecessary war) collapses civilizations is proven here:
Mazthematics of Rule
Competition between groups for social status/power/resources is as old as history. Our ancestors correctly diagnosed the problem and realized that no one person or group of people is able to handle this conflict in an impartial manner (ie; no man or group of men is capable of being God, determining who survives and who does not). The reason is that absolute power corrupts, absolutely. They concluded that "rule of man" is incapable of providing peace, social/economic security or fairness. In other words, "rule of man" is incompatible with civilization. Our ancestors concluded that fallible man must be taken out of the decision loop and devised the "rule of law", the very basis of our former civilization:
Rule of Law
With the "rule of law" in place, our democratic leaders were able to ignore group demands for special privilege and focus on "common interest", where all people are treated equally in terms of rights and responsibility. The result was our once mighty civilization, which we are bound and determined to destroy.
Humanities greatest mistake is ignoring human nature, history and the requirements for survival. This is costing us dearly and may result in the peace of species extinction after a final spasm of nuclear war by those playing the no-win dominance game. United we stand, divided we fall.
The rules of the elite game that will destroy us is explained here:
Darwin Reconsidered
Bill Ross
Ottawa, Canada
(Electronics Design Engineer)
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Posted by: vox persona on Apr 26, 2008 12:55 AM
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The fact is, that a perfect storm occured in 2000 when the vote was close enough for a hack partisan 'Supreme' Court stopped the determination of Florida voter intent to annoint their boy, which was little more than a corporation in a suit. At that point, all bets were off. What followed was a full scale transfer from taxpayer coffers to the MilIndComp, corporate cronies and war profiteers. What is occurring is a bald-faced heist as these cretins whip up the fear of the sheeple, then in a masterful bait-and-switch feat of misdirection combined with a soul-less ability to absolutely never be honest, they used a preventable (convenient) attack on home soil, as they either looked the other way or deliberately "allowed' the attack that PNAC previously stated was necessary to carry out their pre-existing agenda. With Iraqi oil maps on the table at Cheney's 'secret' energy policy meeting with the likes of Ken Lay and ilk, they plotted their slam dunk of an unholy war, sacrificing American and Iraqi lives (as well as those of the 'coalition of the coerced') like so many chess pawns; and selling their unholy war like so much snake oil. So now we spend $5-6,000 PER SECOND since this godawful thing was set into motion, going to everything from corrupt Iraqi officials to no-bid contracts to Cheney's former (and future?) masters in the ultimate insider trader scam. Start a bogus war, make sure cronies get obscenely rich, keep the fear stoked, and stay in power at all costs. Surely this qualifies as Iraq's own little Armegeddon, brought to us by flat-earthers who want to speed up the return of the Messiah, while ironically becoming mammon in the process. Power is all to these devils. There is no doubt in my mind that they mean to have a shooting war with Iraq before the election. It's textbook, page two. All they need is a fortuitously timed "lucky" attack again at the exact right time to enact all those unconstitutional executive orders (find that in the Constitution for me, please), and presidential directives that greased the skids to declaring martial law. What do they have to lose? They are almost out of chips, and out of time. It's almost time for the big power play/false flag. What is their other option? Facing war crimes tribunals? That is, if Democrats can ever grow a spine. I read that Bush bought an estate in Paraguay, and Cheney dumped millions to buy Euros and related securities, like a rats jumping from the ship they set on fire. It's all like someslow motion, theatre of the sbsurd nightmare I can't wake myself from. Let's just hope they leave peacefully, but I fear the damage they've already done is irreversible. CHEERS!
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Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 26, 2008 2:08 AM
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Would you want to live in a world where those countries dictated all the terms of trade and liberty? I can assure you, if that were to come about 99 per cent of Alternet users would be rotting in a prison camp somewhere or would be dead. Naomi Klein would have been executed long ago, not made rich by her books.
I don't like it either, I don't like the wars the waste or the corruption, but we need alternative ideas that are based on the realities of the power games of the world, and how do you not only protect and defend liberty, but also extend it?
Any constructive ideas are welcome!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 26, 2008 5:05 AM
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I have seen My party Morph into something I know longer Recognize and now see the subverting of my values and the obviousness of their tactics and goals playing out before my eyes & ears.
Frankly I can Not understand how anyone can consider Hillary a Dem, and buy her crap about all she's done for Our party over the last 35 yrs. The Working & Middle Class has been basically gutted and hung out to dry, Women are still fighting for equal pay, roe v Wade is on the Ropes and her recent confession to her espionge- "Obliterate' Iran with Nukes. The DNC should kick her ass Out. She's worse than Lieberman, at least he finally defected half way across the enemy lines. I see No Difference between her & Mac- Corporationists seizing our Country. The media perpetuates this treason by parroting the oxymoron "Reagan Democrats" there was no such thing then, We ahted him and saw what his Puppet master were Up to then and are still victims of today.
She is not OUR girl- she is Cheney & Co girl- Dick In Drag!"Devil In the Blue Dress"
It time both parties kick these infiltrators out of our Parties- get back the Purity of each- so real intellectual discussion regarding our countries welfare can be addressed. It is time these Corp Criminals hiding in 'public Office' get their own Party and TRY to get people to vote for their Profiteering Platform.
If the 'Neo Dems'/ 'Reagan Democrats' steal this nomination away from OUR cnadidate and hand it to this Carpetbagger- i will never vote for another Poser again! Perhps Real Dems and Real Republicans should leave and start our Own party- the Patriot party
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It may be sound like a fantasy now but thirty years ago the Saudis made a generous offer to buy the Alamo from Texas and ship it back to their desert. Of course, it was declined. But that was then.......
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 26, 2008 6:17 AM
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Absolutely not -- as evidenced by her goal of establishing a nuclear umbrella over the Middle East that would "obliterate Iran" (her words) should it attack Israel, Jordan, Egypt or Saudi Arabia. That's exactly what the military-industrial war mongers wanted to hear.
Obama, on the other hand, rejects Hillary's belligerent neocon approach to foreign policy -- one reason she is determined to destroy him, with help from the Republican Party.
So who will I support in November if Mrs. Sniper Fire steals the Democratic nomination?
Not her, for sure, and absolutely not John McCain. I will keep faith with myself and write in Barrack on my ballot. If every Obama supporter did that, theoretically he could win the election.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 26, 2008 6:35 AM
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America could have been a paradise. And now our very survival depends on us keeping the world supplied with weapons of death. Think about that. Were world peace suddenly to envelope the Planet Earth, the United States of America would whither and die. Oh, no. We cannot allow that to happen.
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Apr 26, 2008 8:00 AM
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Here's another article concerning opportunity costs that rarely if ever get metioned.
Global Warming and the Iraq War
# If the war were ranked as a country in terms of annual emissions, it would emit more CO2 each year than 139 of the world’s nations do, more than 60% of all countries on the planet.
# Just the $600 billion that Congress has allocated for military operations in Iraq to date could have built over 9000 wind farms (at 50 MW capacity each), with the overall capacity to meet a quarter of the country’s current electricity demand. If 25% of our power came from wind, rather than coal, it would reduce US GHG emissions by over 1 billion metric tons of CO2 per year – equivalent to approximately 1/6 of the country’s total CO2 emissions in 2006.
# In 2006, the US spent more on the war in Iraq than the whole world spent on investment in renewable energy.
# US presidential candidate Barack Obama has committed to spending “$150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of green energy technology and infrastructure.” The US spends nearly that much on the war in Iraq in just 10 months.
I've thought it often and wondered even more if the war machine was going to burn all of Iraq's oil. Good job amerika!
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 26, 2008 8:27 AM
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If we had spent a similar amount on solar and wind R&D and manufacturing, we'd have an entirely fossil-fuel free energy system right now, which would meet all our energy needs without producing any pollutants.
Just a fact.
If we had spent $3 trillion on renewable energy in five years, we'd have spent $10,000 for every single U.S. citizen - definitely enough to put a solar panel system on every single home in the United States.
Vested interests like the status quo - and they own and control the press, so such things just aren't discussed in public. The NYT or the WP won't publish honest articles on energy without getting tons of soundbites from fossil fuel PR monkeys who always claim that "the technology is just too expensive."
For more, see the ridiculous amount of energy that the U.S. military consumes, and consider the skyrocketing cost of oil:
http://www.energybulletin.net/29925.html
It's the same with energy and with money:
US military energy consumption- facts and figures by Sohbet Karbuz
As the saying goes, facts are many but the truth is one. The truth is that the U.S. military is the single largest consumer of energy in the world. But as a wise man once said, don't confuse facts with reality. The reality is that even U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) does not know precisely where and how much energy it consumes. This is my Fact Zero. . .
FACT 1: The DoD's total primary energy consumption in Fiscal Year 2006 was 1100 trillion Btu. It corresponds to only 1% of total energy consumption in USA. For those of you who think that this is not much then read the next sentence. Nigeria, with a population of more than 140 million, consumes as much energy as the U.S. military..
It goes on and on - and the actual amount used could easily be twice what is reported (there are no reports on overseas U.S. military fuel consumption).
So, maybe if we can get the military to go to renewable energy, it will trickle down to the rest of us! But no, the military is now pushing for jet fuel from coal. .. .yes, coal. Cheney is thrilled.
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The fix for the military industrial complex is not congressional reform or more diplomacy or even shutting down half of the bases. The fix is white people coming to grips with their innate fear that cause them to act out of greed and apathy toward all other life forms on this planet. It is whites realizing that many of them are missing the spiritual component that binds human beings together with each other and the universe. Put simply, it's time for whites to stop being afraid of the dark, pun intended.
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» So White fear is a key motivator for Condi Rice and Collin Powell?
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» Those damn white Hutus and Tutsis...Pol Pot was white too, oh yeh.
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» Wow. What a heaping, steaming pile of dung. Get over yourself, please...
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» White fear is part of this, but not the main part
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» RE: White fear is part of this... sure it is.
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» RE: White fear is part of this... sure it is.
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» RE: White fear is part of this... sure it is. Lauren is correct up to
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» nfamous: it's not always about you.
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Posted by: HughScott on Apr 26, 2008 12:54 PM
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Here is why TC attacked me.
Because I'm a Vietnam veteran who dislikes smear campaigns against U.S. military men and women, last year I defended General Petraeus during the MoveOn.org "Betraus" controversy. My stance raised Thoughtcriminal's ire and he personally attacked me, despite my right to have an opinion.
This year I changed my mind about the general's motivation and now consider him to be a politician, not a patriot. I told Thoughtcriminal that on a previous thread after he called me a Petraeus stooge.
Even so, despite my explanation -- a plea to leave me alone, actually -- Thoughtcriminal has continued his personal campaign to destroy my Alternet credibility, such as calling me a "Petraeus pimp" on this thread.
The sad part is, TC is a damn good writer. And while his comments are rather lengthy, I always read them. However, now I see a dark side to his personality. Rather than argue with facts, he resorts, in my case, to the same Karl Rove tactics Republicans use. Hopefully this plea will cause TC to moderate his responses to my comments.
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» Which makes your position on 9/11 truth all the more "interesting", shall we say, tc.
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» What have you done to help stop the Iraq War, TC? Apparently NOTHING!
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» and thoughtcriminal proves he's an asshole, so what?
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» by whom?
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Posted by: JohnJlws on Apr 26, 2008 2:50 PM
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What's really phenomenal about these outrageous, obscene expenditures is there are actually people, even on this forum, who defend them with asinine statements like "show me an alternative." Okay, how about some inkling of reasonableness, how about if we eliminate star wars, how about if we get rid of every major new, revamped or "system in waiting" weapons system designed to take out the Soviet Union (they don't exist any longer), how about if we say for every $50 we spend on the military education gets $10, infrastructure gets $20 and world hunger relief gets $1, how about, how about we require a true accounting of this nonsense, how about if we have a balanced budget amendment (I have one in my house--it's called "creditors")? By god, who are we so damned afraid of? The guys in the dresses, living in the caves? Well, Star Wars, nuclear subs and all that heavy armor ain't stopping them; they use box openers, cell phones and, when they can't find better, bombs made out of junk like fertilizer. You want to stop these goofs? Get rid of our dependence on oil, secure our borders, secure our ports, invest in technology and science and intelligence, build rapid strike forces for starters
The current dumb ass has been by far the worse, but this "let's spend ourselves to security through our military" goes back through Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc., etc., etc. I don't want to say let's throw out the government, but we're getting to the point that we better do something pretty damn radical.
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Posted by: estherme on Apr 26, 2008 2:51 PM
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1. Who authorized the expenditure?
2. Whose budget are the expenses drawn
against?
3. Did Congress authorize the expenditure?
4. Whose committee has oversight for the
management of the citizen's tax dollars?
5. By law, there has to be committee over-
sight and the money has to orginate with
the Congress!
Is this another CIA operation as when they brought drugs into the country to finance their illegal operations thus didn't have to get the money from Congress or answer to Congress! They had their own drug cartel,that is how our country got infested with illegal drugs and now there is so much gov't/CIA involvement in drug traffic and payoffs, the "War on Drugs" is a joke! Is this Chemtrail spraying a military venture? If you control the air,food and water, you control the people! The fuel for this operation alone can bankrupt us. I have seen 3 planes at a time doing the daily criss-cross spraying! It is done daily all over the country, think about the cost. Some websites to see:
www.educate-yourself.org/ct (Chemtrail Intro. 17 pages) www.drewswebsite.com (look for Chemtrails) www.rgv.no scroll down to 09- enviroment/climate/chemtrails. The toxic environment of Chemtrails, documentary video "Aerosol Crimes" 1st edition on the dangers to our health and planet. A 1 hour 30 minute video.(you can watch in segments). www.carnicom.com/conright.htm "Aerosol Operation Crimes & Cover-up" 9 pages of info, photos,links by Clifford E. Carnicom researcher. You tube has videos on these Cemtrails which are not jet contrails taking visitors on vacation. You can Video search www.altavista.com & www.dogpile.com just type in Chemtrails & click videos and you can view many videos/information on the subject. More questions: Is this spraying for weather changes, magnetic experiments, bological warefare tests, or maybe a way to kill off some population? Don't put it past our government to do something to kill off the "baby boomer polulation" to avoid giving them their SS and if other die, well thats a bonus for them. They only thing they want to protect is the wealthy & big corporations. Look into this government's CIA & military history of experiments on people, dirty deeds, assassinations etc., etc. If you don't believe they would do these things, you are living in an "American Idol" dumbed down world or haven't done any research on the subjects.
Maybe people can't handle the idea of so much corruption in our government or are afraid to admit it!
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Posted by: JohnJlws on Apr 26, 2008 2:58 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgQ4qdKCNqY
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Posted by: CV on Apr 26, 2008 3:45 PM
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In 2006, anticipating the real property market value "deflation," I sold my condo in LA and began renting. I figured the market would settle by at least 20% and I'd rather spend or invest that cash instead of watching it evaporate into thin market air. I bought a hybrid, because once I saw the statistic that 1 out of 3 cars on the road were SUVs, I knew we were in for another "gas crunch" a la the 70's. I'm no psychic - I just pay attention and remember our history. I read all of the positive market reports and scoffed - as I recall from Econ 101, the word is "suasion" - convince people the ride will continue and the "sheeple" (terrific term!) will get on board until the train crashes. The train wreck has already happened, but our government and "market forces" refuse to acknowledge the body count. Sometimes I think the criminals running the game actually want to see our country destroyed, although I cannot fathom the "why" of it. So I bought some land in Costa Rica, where they have no military, a peace accord with surrounding countries (for which the President who negotiated it won a Nobel Peace Prize), free health care to residents (and very reasonable health insurance and medical costs as an option); where they are dedicated to ecological preservation, etc., etc., and where I could easily live on my SSI without tapping capital - living simply, but living well.
Of course there are no disneylands or huge shopping malls or hundreds of amusing distractions. The cows are grassfed, hormones in feed is unknown. Electricity is hydroelectric (a system beginning to be stressed by development). Not sure of my course - have met a number of ex-pats - but it's comforting to have a reasonable possibility if things here continue to go straight to hades.
And if Obama does not win the Dem nomination, I will follow the example of another poster here - I will write him in. Originally, I had thought to vote for whomever the Dem candidate would be. Now I don't know that I can stomach voting for Clinton - but the thought of McCain is even scarier.
What a blankety-blank mess. Revolution, anyone?
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Posted by: Kahoneez on Apr 26, 2008 4:24 PM
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Another way to look at it , you are paying one guy to install a thousand dollar part , instead of paying 100 hundred guys to install a ten dollar part .
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Posted by: Andrew_S on Apr 26, 2008 9:49 PM
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 27, 2008 1:18 AM
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Direct Democracy
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Posted by: williameon on Apr 27, 2008 5:41 AM
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The Wheel goes Round and Round till
The Hamster Drops Dead.
What Changed?
The Illusion Continues......
The Sheeple are getting Skittish!
Consumerism is about to die.
What will fill the void?
In their empty lives?
More
Corpirate Dribble?
They are running out of food, they have no heat, gas is too expensive and the rationing has begun!
The Enslavement to War continues!
The Pens are built, the Barricades up and The Dark Army
Occupies the Land.
Did you really think it was going to get better?
With these Psychopaths running THE SHOW?
The only question now is?
Who is next?
And are you going to wait in line
To Play
BUSH/CHAINEY
Russian roulette!
And
The question is?
Where you better off eight years ago than you are today?
Do you feel safer now?
Is a miserly payout of Six Hundred devalued Dollars Worth?
The Pain, Suffering and
A Ten Trillion Dollar Debt?
What would you rather have?
A Consumer Based Economy with:
Cheap Gas, Green Cars, Clean Air, Health Care, College Education, Lower TAXES and No DEBT
Or
A Pile of DEAD KIDS?
Now how
The FUNK are we going to get it?
Stop the excuses.
Time has run out.
It is sink or swim.
Or are you so?
Ignorant, Brainwashed and Naïve?
That you still believe The BU__! SH__! ?
After all their lies, deceit, corruption, hypocrisy, death and destruction?
You still believe these charlatans?
The Water Boards are for you and
The Fences are here?
To keep you in.
Who will spin the wheel?
After all The Rats leave the sinking ship?
A few last drops of blood to squeeze!
Whilst they flee.
They relish in delight
When you tremble.
Grog Bless The King
King George II
The King
Who hath?
No Cloths....and
The Schmoes who believed him.
You made your bed,
Now sleep in it!
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Posted by: williameon on Apr 27, 2008 5:58 AM
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The BAD example.
The Sheeple start acting like Chimps.
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Posted by: Missing Piece on Apr 27, 2008 8:32 AM
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I come to you in a time of great peril, in which our most basic rites have been taken from us and we do nothing. What good is the constitution without Habeous Corpus? If the government never has to charge you with a crime and can hold you indefinitely simply because they label you an enemy combatant then what good is the Constitution? If we vote on electronic machines that don't print a paper receipt and therefore are impossible to validate then what good is our vote?
If we don't fix these two most basic rites then we will never have what our founders fought for and created for us, EQUALITY AND FREEDOM.
The terrorists are winning, but who are the terrorists?
Call your representative and demand your vote be validated.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9841.html
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Posted by: amacd on Apr 27, 2008 9:01 AM
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The ‘corporatist Empire’ hiding behind the façade of this two-party ‘Vichy’ government certainly manipulates unjustified Pentagon spending to loot our public treasury for the ‘oil and weapons faction’ of the empire ---- but ALSO the very same corrupt, two-party, ‘Vichy’ government steals approximately the same vast sums from our common-wealth by funneling loads of loot to the ‘financial and Wall Street faction’ of the very same empire.
Yes, Chalmers, this single unified Empire, which you so accurately define in your “Empire Project” trilogy, not only strangles our real (peoples’) economy to run rough-shod over the globe and spend hundreds of billions per year with subsidies for weapons corporations to protect oil corporations, but the very same ruling empire also has recently shown how they can directly steal the same hundreds of billions straight out of the US public treasury to subsidize investment banking corporations, hedge fund whores, private equity pirates, and other crooked Wall Street corporations on the dole.
Even FOX would be delighted that the ‘corporatist Empire’ hiding behind this façade of ‘Vichy’ American faux-government is now receiving ‘fair and balanced’ looting-rights to the peoples’ taxes, and our American ‘common-wealth’ ---- in that only $3 Billion dollars per week is being spent for the ‘oil and weapons faction’ of the corporatist Empire in its Iraq oil-war, now that an accelerated $30 B per week is being given by the FED (through its new IBTW – Investment Bank Thievery Window) to the ‘financial faction’ of the very same corporatist Empire on Wall Street.
At this improved rate of ‘fair and balanced’ corporate welfare to the ‘financial faction’ of the empire it should equitably catch up with the ‘oil and weapons faction’ of the empire ----- with both the oil/weapons and financial factions coming up to approximately an equal $1 Trillion each of corporate looting of taxpayer dollars ---- by the time that the current faux-Emperor retires and the next, ‘opposition party’ (sic), corporatist Emperor is installed in January 2009.
Hint: Look for the Wall Street crooks to start defaulting in May on those supposed 'loans' from the FED, and simply stealing the cash just like the weapons and oil corporations do in Iraq.
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Posted by: nikolai on Apr 27, 2008 9:08 AM
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Posted by: Nigelthebriton on Apr 27, 2008 10:02 AM
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I love cats, by the way!
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Posted by: chlamor on Apr 27, 2008 11:30 AM
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The death toll of the Democrats is quite large:
Greek Civil War: 160,000 (Truman)
Korean War: 3 million (Truman)
Assault on Indochina: 5 million (started under Truman, accelerated under Kennedy & LBJ)
Coup in Indonesia: 1 million (LBJ)
East Timor: 100,000 (Carter)
Kwangju Massacre: 2000 (Carter)
Argentine Dirty War: 30,000 (mostly Carter)
Iraq sanctions: 1.5 million (mostly Clinton)
Turkish Kurdistan: 40,000 (mostly Clinton)
That's at least 10,8022,000 killed by democrats, 9,292,000 if one only counts the liberal governments (Clinton wasn't really a liberal). For comparison, the Nazi holocaust killed roughly 6,000,000 Jews. And this is just the tip of the iceberg; these are only the most famous incidents over the last couple of decades. If you add up the total from periods preceding this and the less famous incidents the number get much, much higher. If you add in starvation (a direct result of capitalism) it gets even higher.
Democrats could have stopped the congressional authorization for the Iraq war (via filibustering) but instead lots of them defected to the warmongers’ side. They could have stopped many of the nasty things the Republicans are doing by filibuster but choose not to. Many democrats actively supported the war. Most of those who did oppose it offered little opposition, chickening out when the shooting started and either abstained or voted in favor of the pro-war "support our troops" resolution in March. Even Dennis Kucinich, leader of the "anti-war" opposition in the house, abstained from the vote instead of voting against it. It was only after Bush's war started going sour that vocal criticism began to come from democrats, which is completely opportunistic. Bush's lies and fabrications about the Niger Uranium had already been exposed prior to the war, but it wasn't until after the invasion was completed and the democrats needed an issue to attack Bush with that they started whining about it.
The Democratic Party, the party of slavery, has a long history of mass murder and empire building. They are not an alternative to the American Empire. Especially on foreign policy, there is remarkable consistency between republican and democratic administrations. If the Nuremberg standards were applied every President since World War Two, both democrat and republican, would have to be hung. Both parties have the same basic goals; they just disagree on minor details.
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Posted by: jobeob on Apr 27, 2008 12:05 PM
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My third grader Anna is now studying basic economics one of the things she learned is that any choice has opportunity cost. In other words if you spend your money on one thing you won't be able to save it or spend it on something else. So I asked her "what is the opportunity cost of our country spending three trillion dollars on this war?" Her answer "Peace" I think she is brilliant.
Job
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Posted by: redsmurph on Apr 27, 2008 1:42 PM
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I hope you survive this terrible government and situation, and I also hope all with actual power will be jailed for war crime. I'm wondering why Americans powers-that-be never get accused for war crime, or do/can they? Where's the UN when we need it? I'm aware UN is controlled by USA, so I don't expect too much. Probably both EU and China are better "antagonists with a heart" than UN is.
Sorry for my rant. I'm aware my country also has its share of problems, including the usual "poor pay for the rich and crazy" scheme, and that politicians have no morals.
If you have a list of what countries lend money to USA I'd be happy to read it. I hope my taxes are not going to that. It's enough we pay billions to EU.
Cheers
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Posted by: Ralpho on Apr 28, 2008 12:11 AM
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But suppose there are not sufficient natural resources to satisfy demand? At that point the habit of stoking the economic furnace simply by turning up the thermostat fails to work its expected miracle.
Oil, in particular, has supplied the powerful and conveniently deployed energy to create goods and services. The US was a net exporter of oil until some time in the 1960s, due to enormous discoveries of black liquids beneath Texas, Oklahoma and California. The rate of extraction of domestic petroleum was always able to increase to fuel the automobiles, tanks and airplanes necessary to satisfy any level of demand.
But for any mineral resource, the pace of extraction eventually slows, as poorer veins of ore or deeper deposits of oil must be mined. In 1971 the US rate of extraction of domestic petroleum reached a maximum and then began to decline.
At that moment, the era of US prosperity based on unlimited availability of cheap fuel came to an end. Large-scale imports of petroleum began to arrive on our shores from various parts of the world, particularly from the Persian Gulf countries. The US gradually transformed itself from a wealthy producer to a poor but militarily powerful consumer.
In the new era, as long as cheap oil could be pried from the hands of client regimes throughout the world, the US lifestyle could be maintained and expanded. Essentially our economy began to thrive only by theft of other countries' resources. This is of course the colonial model.
Colonial-style exploitation (also known as empire building) as a method of gaining one's living never lasts for very long. For the US, that wondrous period has now decisively come to an end. The old laws of economics no longer function. But our government does not yet fully comprehend that the rules have changed.
The paradox of reliance on demand to generate prosperity has finally been resolved. Now we must somehow begin to earn our living rather than simply extract it from underground deposits of unexploited wealth.
For a country of 300 million human inhabitants spread over a vast continent, and dependent on cheap transportation for its extravagant way of life, that transition must usher in an era of harsh necessity. How well the US will succeed in coping with this scary new age is as yet unknown.
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Sure, the DOD goes through the motions of competitive bidding -- or it did until our Iraq misadventure began. But cost and deadline overruns rule the day and the drain on public funds continues unchecked.
Perhaps the upcoming election will bring into positions of leadership people who will put an end to this criminal irresponsibility. Let us pray.
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Posted by: Johanna Moren on Apr 28, 2008 8:51 AM
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Now what is happening, America is going broke.
China and Russia are doing exceptioally well.
Latin America is getting out from under their controll. Asian and Africa eventually may get out of their controll also.
They could have been a power for good, but they weren't.
Perhaps it is true, that your sins always catch up with you.
Johanna Moren
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Posted by: ZoneStar on May 1, 2008 1:19 PM
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on May 2, 2008 2:21 PM
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At least one TRILLION of that sum is still "missing" and unaccounted for.
The bloody cost of public global empire for the benefit of a private parasite ruling class (which runs such traps as the private "Federal Reserve" Corp that was never federal and has no reserves but a Ponzi scheme) is not new.
The British Empire ruled by its privately run "Bank of England" was led down essentially the same debt wracked rabbit hole into what amounted to a 2nd world power. Although Britain never quite gave up its global Ponzi scheme banking leadership role, the controlled destruction of its global empire and military status was by design and not some random series of policy events.
Under laughably corrupt "Fed" "leadership" the U.S. has apparently outlived its usefulness to the same parasite corporate ruling class that demolished England. The destruction is happening before our eyes and is going forward quite rapidly indeed.
Not to worry – there are pointless mock elections, American Idol, NASCAR, Paris Hilton, etc, etc, for Americans to fawn over on the way down.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on May 2, 2008 2:21 PM
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At least one TRILLION of that sum is still "missing" and unaccounted for.
The bloody cost of public global empire for the benefit of a private parasite ruling class (which runs such traps as the private "Federal Reserve" Corp that was never federal and has no reserves but a Ponzi scheme) is not new.
The British Empire ruled by its privately run "Bank of England" was led down essentially the same debt wracked rabbit hole into what amounted to a 2nd world power. Although Britain never quite gave up its global Ponzi scheme banking leadership role, the controlled destruction of its global empire and military status was by design and not some random series of policy events.
Under laughably corrupt "Fed" "leadership" the U.S. has apparently outlived its usefulness to the same parasite corporate ruling class that demolished England. The destruction is happening before our eyes and is going forward quite rapidly indeed.
Not to worry – there are pointless mock elections, American Idol, NASCAR, Paris Hilton, etc, etc, for Americans to fawn over on the way down.
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Posted by: whealeydj on May 3, 2008 3:17 PM
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Posted by: ronheri on May 3, 2008 8:12 PM
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Posted by: rgwmilitaryeconomy on May 4, 2008 9:40 AM
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Posted by: rossbcan on May 11, 2008 4:53 AM
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The biggest "mistake" of government and law is failure to realize that there is absolutely zero possibility of social or group consensus on any issue where it is "necessary" that something be taken from some without agreed compensation and given to others without any requirement except they exist, demand and will vote for whoever promises their definition of "fairness". In other words, entitlements and appeasement. This creates a great deal of unproductive conflict and "work" for government, law and "intellectuals" who provide rationalizations of why they are "necessary"
Our social "problem solvers" occupy a monopoly position. Monopolies have zero interest in solving problems and great incentive to create problems, since problems are their bread and butter. "Pretending" to solve problems and oiling ever changing "squeaky wheels" provides the illusion that they are "necessary" and we must be micromanaged economic serfs to pay for this.
It is an irrefutable fact that the only way to have any civilization (co-operation for MUTUAL self-interest) is by division of labor and to use our capital and labor in a productive manner, with minimal waste. Every past civilization had at the root of its collapse the destruction of division of labor and inability of populations to survive if they followed the "rules" of their elite predators.
The dynamics of how unproductive waste of social resources (including unnecessary war) collapses civilizations is proven here:
Mazthematics of Rule
Competition between groups for social status/power/resources is as old as history. Our ancestors correctly diagnosed the problem and realized that no one person or group of people is able to handle this conflict in an impartial manner (ie; no man or group of men is capable of being God, determining who survives and who does not). The reason is that absolute power corrupts, absolutely. They concluded that "rule of man" is incapable of providing peace, social/economic security or fairness. In other words, "rule of man" is incompatible with civilization. Our ancestors concluded that fallible man must be taken out of the decision loop and devised the "rule of law", the very basis of our former civilization:
Rule of Law
With the "rule of law" in place, our democratic leaders were able to ignore group demands for special privilege and focus on "common interest", where all people are treated equally in terms of rights and responsibility. The result was our once mighty civilization, which we are bound and determined to destroy.
Humanities greatest mistake is ignoring human nature, history and the requirements for survival. This is costing us dearly and may result in the peace of species extinction after a final spasm of nuclear war by those playing the no-win dominance game. United we stand, divided we fall.
The rules of the elite game that will destroy us is explained here:
Darwin Reconsidered
Bill Ross
Ottawa, Canada
(Electronics Design Engineer)
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