. . . this sexist pig has a different take . . . I think that by Hillary going negative, it actually increases Barack's chances against McCain, because the Republican smear machine will be out of ammo. She'll have used it all.

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Don't vote For anybody..!

They all suck..!

That's the truth..

It's who you vote against that's important..

Just vote against The Republican Fascist Party

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Hillary and Bill Clinton have made a significant issue about how the press is treating Hillary unfairly in their hyper-critical reporting on her and their “softball” reporting on Barak Obama. Hillary maintains she has been fully investigated by the media and Barak hasn’t.

As the Tony Rezko trial begins in Chicago, Clinton and her surrogates are linking Obama to Rezko and the media is speculating about whether Obama will be called to testify as a witness in the case. Obama has always admitted he received $85,000 in contributions from Rezko which Obama has now donated to charity rather than keep.

Yet the civil fraud trial of Bill Clinton for defrauding Hillary’s largest donor in 2000 into giving her campaign more than $1.2 million, pending in Los Angeles courts since 2003, is now preparing for a November, 2008 trial. The discovery that is now proceeding after a February 21 hearing, and the pending trial, have NEVER been announced by the mainstream media.

Hillary was able to extricate herself as a co-defendant in the case in January, 2008 after years of appeals to be protected by the First Amendment from tort claims arising out of federal campaign solicitations she made. Her abuse of the intent of California’s anti-SLAPP law after the California Supreme Court refused to dismiss her from the case in 2004 is emblematic of her contempt for the Rule of Law.

Hillary will be called as a witness in both discovery and the trial according to the trial court Judge who so-advised Hillary’s attorney David Kendall when he dismissed Hillary as a co-defendant in 2007. A subpoena is being prepared this month and will be served personally on Hillary, along with Chelsea, Bill C., Gov. Ed Rendell, Al Gore and other well known political and media figures.

Yet the media has refused to report about this landmark civil fraud case- brought by Hillary’s biggest 2000 donor to her Senate race, regarding allegations that were corroborated by the Department of Justice in the criminal trial of Hillary’s finance director David Rosen in May, 2005. That indictment and trial was credited as resulting from the civil suit’s allegations by Peter Paul, the Hollywood dot com millionaire Bill Clinton convinced to donate more than $1.2 million (according to the DOJ prosecutors and the FBI) to Hillary’s Senate campaign as part of a post White House business deal with Bill.

The media - except for World Net Daily- has also suspiciously refused to report on Hillary’s last FEC report regarding her 2000 Senate campaign, filed in January 30, 2006. In a secret settlement of an FEC complaint by the plaintiff in Paul v Clinton, Peter Paul, the FEC fined Hillary’s campaign $35,000 for hiding more than $720,000 in donations from Paul, and it required Hillary’s campaign to file a 4th amended FEC report.

In that report Hillary and her campaign again hid Paul’s $1.2 million contribution to her campaign and falsely attributed $250,000 as being donated by Paul’s partner, Spider Man creator Stan Lee, who swore in a video taped deposition he never gave Hillary or her campaign any money.

Lee did testify to trading $100,000 checks with Paul to make it appear he gave $100,000 to Hillary’s campaign (admission of a felony) but none of that has been reported by the “overly critical” media!

The media makes no mention of Hillary’s role as a witness in Bill’s fraud trial for defrauding Hillary’s largest donor- and Hillary’s refusal to refund the $1.2 million she illegally received from Paul, which she has denied taking from Paul ever since the Washington Post asked her about Paul and his felony convictions from the 1970’s before her first Senate election in 2000?

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She's full of beans about the MASSIVE RETALIATION from the US should Iran make a NUCLEAR STRIKE against Israel.

The Republicans liked it so well, they're ready to tell McCain to sit down and shut up, and empty the Death Party coffers into Clinton's account.

If she's going to sound enough like Bush to BE him, and do those Republican fan-dances with the truth, why does he have to go home? They can job-share, and each take half a week off.

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She is simply trying to damage Obama sufficiently to give this race to McCain. That gives her another shot in four years.

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Joshua Holland's maddeningly glib characterization of our anticipated comments on the BO/HRC in PA contest is worthy of his being fired - in a legitimate news agency. Who the hell is this guy? A major contest and a major upset results in his jumping ship and leaving us to comment, only so that he can read up on what we say - FOR FREE- any SPIN for himself. in that peculiarly passive-aggressive Alternet way - tomorrow. Joshua, it must be LOVELY working for Alternet - synthesizing your bland, party-approved message while posing as a trailblazers - but, darling, I think Arianna is paying more. Explore that option. And, oh, what to make of Hillary's 10 point victory thanks to the great unwashed you claim to vouch for?

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Well, thanks, people of Pennsylvania. You just handed the presidency to bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran McCain!

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Don't have it to spare and I don't care, I just donated another $25 to Barack Obama!

STOP THE DRAMA, VOTE OBAMA!

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I read all of the above posts on this thread and I'm feeling we're all getting a little stressed here! Maybe because this is the most important election cycle of our lifetime and more and more people are paying attention. In looking at the so-called "ratings" to these posts, there are some hard-core readers who are not liking what the very simple facts are.

No matter what, and you can dismiss my thoughts all you want, there is no possible way that Hillary can win this nomination without pure skullduggary. She can't do it, period, end of discussion. Obama has won more of the popular vote, more of the delegates and more of the States. She can stretch this out, go to the Credential's Committee at the Convention in August and take it from him and then I can absolutely guarantee that you can "take it to the bank" that McCain will win in November because people such as myself will not be able to stomach voting for her, not because she would not be able to do the job but because of the way she got the nomination. There is no way that I could ever, ever vote for a Republican of any stripe, I would simply not vote for President and I'm afraid I would not be the only one. Tens of thousands of new voters who for the first time, actually believe we have a chance, will never, ever give her their vote and she will need everyone of them.

To quote a newspaper article I read this morning, if she is so ready on Day One, why wasn't she ready for Obama?

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If anyone expects very much at all to change in the foreign policy arena with Clinton, they are going to be in for a big, sad surprise. She is surrounded with the same old interventionist and support-Israel-at-any-cost crowd, Holbrooke, Albright, and Berger, that hung out in husband Bill's administration. Her bellicose statements seem to support this perception. Bill didn't pile up $110 million plus in six years hawking for the makers of Wheaties breakfast cereal and damn sure not by working for Habitat for Humanity.

Voters in general are at best ill-informed, only somewhat prejudiced, and prone to emotionally-based decision making. At worst they are stupid, more than likely to vote against their own economic interests (think Thomas Franks' What's The matter With Kansas?, Joe Bageant's Deer Hunting With Jesus, and exactly what happened in Pennsylvania this last Tuesday), and highly prejudiced and/or hysterical and reactionary (think Flag Pin issue-and many others).

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

McCain and Clinton are each bought and paid for by the Congressioanl-Military-Industrial-Financial complex. Whatever outstanding shares were left, AIPAC picked up as is apparent with Clintons's latest threat to vaporize 50-60 million completely innocent Iranian citizens should their dictatorial government make any moves against Israel, which by the way has more than enough weapons to defend itself. This should be quite obvious since American taxpayers paid for most of them. The imperial designs and delusions of Clinton and McCain are quite similar if not identical. A much higher proportion of Clinton supporters will be voting for McCain in the case of an Obama nomination than the scenario turned the other way around. That ought to tell you a lot.

What went down in Pennsylvania is very indicative of some serious bad shit. These people suffered severely as a result of the Reagan/Bush policies and then more as the Clinton administration did nothing to help them-other than "Welfare To Work" and everything under the guise of Clinton's de-regulating and globalizing economic policies to make their situation far worse than it was. So who do they overwhelmingly support?

You got it. The same thing happened in Ohio. Clinton got away with lying her ass off about NAFTA and none of these numb nuts even seriously questioned the logic or the facts of what the Clinton campaign was saying. At least in the old days when folks traded their vote for a barbecued chicken, they got something for it.

More than a little pissed,
Satan's Neutral Corner
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It is a myth that Obama has won more of the people's votes.

Caucuses state demographics heavily weigh in favor of Obama while excluding millions of voters from participating due to the time required to participate.

Those who did have the many hours of time to participate, sometimes an entire day, happened to be the college students that Obama targeted, while those who had to work or had to tend to family matters were excluded from voting.

It is no wonder that the "working middle class voter" in primary states, when their votes were counted, produced an entirely different result at the polls.

The Great Reformer of the Democratic Party, Senator George McGovern, encouraged the primary as the best means to open the process to every voter. It is ironic that his presumed successor to "change" has used the once-infamous caucus process to his advantage while claiming what amounts to a distorted "will of the people." McGovern saw the exclusion that takes place in the caucus states and worked diligently to replace those caucuses with primaries.

I encourage everyone to look again at the process and the fourteen causus states that Obama claims in "winning more states." Those are states in which millions of voters DID NOT cast a vote and whose preference is NOT represented "democratically."

Then, looking at the demographics of those states, comparing those with the rest of the country in which Hillary bested Obama at the polls, and one is easily persuaded that Clinton might well have the 2,025 delegates today if all of the caucus states had offered a primary and a chance for everyone to vote.

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