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Jimmy Carter Was Right to Meet With Hamas

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted April 21, 2008.


What separates Carter from the neocons is his genuine desire to negotiate a Middle East peace settlement, and that means talking to everyone.
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Former President Jimmy Carter, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for what the prize committee described as his "untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts," is touring the Middle East as a private citizen in a bid to revive interest in a moribund peace process between Israel and the Palestinians. He's doing so at a time when their decades-long conflict is growing in intensity and distrust on both sides is running high.

As a result, Carter is once again under fire from conservatives. Last week, Rep. Sue Myrick, R-N.C., went so far as to call for the former president's passport to be revoked on Fox News.

Carter's crime was to sit down with leaders of Hamas last week to explore the possibility of waging peace in the Middle East. For many Israel-hawks, it wasn't a first offense; Carter is guilty of viewing the Palestinians as human beings and for condemning human rights abuses on both sides of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. "Any side that kills innocent people is guilty of terrorism," he told an audience at Cairo's American University after his sit-down with members of Hamas.

Carter rejects the short-sighted idea that negotiating with one's enemies legitimizes or rewards them for their actions. According to the same logic, when a police department sends a hostage negotiator to talk down a gun-toting lunatic who's barricaded himself in a house somewhere, that department would be guilty of "legitimizing" armed lunatics. It's a ludicrous idea on its face, but one that's essentially embraced by much of the American foreign policy establishment when it comes to the international arena.

It's an ideological construct that defies both common sense and the "best practices" that have been developed in the field of conflict resolution -- best practices that were born of hard experience. What Carter seems to understand, and his detractors appear unable to grasp, is that there is absolutely no chance of establishing and implementing a peace agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians without offering Hamas a seat at the negotiating table.

One of the most obvious lessons from the international community's efforts at conflict resolution is that getting signatures on a peace deal is only half the battle (if that much). Implementing peace treaties is much more difficult, and recent history is littered with wreckage of agreements that didn't hold.

One of the ways to almost guarantee that a peace agreement will be impossible to implement is to negotiate it without bringing all of the combatants to the table. Israel and Fatah (the faction of Mahmoud Abbas, chairman of the Palestinian Authority) can negotiate a deal, but if Hamas isn't invested in it, then it'll have no incentive to comply with its terms.

One doesn't need to have warm feelings towards Hamas to recognize this reality. The idea that one can choose one's negotiating partner, as opposed to negotiating with all of the parties to a conflict, is a fantasy. The fact that Hamas won a decisive victory in the 2006 Palestinian elections and is the legitimate voice of a majority of the Palestinian people reduces the notion to a bit of right-wing idealism that's thoroughly divorced from historic experience.


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Just got done watching the Jonathan Demme film "Man from Plains"
Posted by: asilsfable on Apr 21, 2008 12:55 AM   
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Carter is a courageous man---steadfast in his convictions and reasonable in his outlooks. I agree with him that a peace can be achieved within our lifetimes.

It's a first step. I was speaking with an Israeli friend and I said that we need to see flights from Haifa to Damascus and Amman to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. There must be trade between the two countries (Israel, Palestine) and a sea change in the Israeli mindset (as Uri Avnery has suggested). Palestine must be allowed to grow into a viable and vibrant economy.

It's a great film---liked it even better than The Agronomist. A must see, really, for anyone interested in his recent travels and otherwise.

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Carter...
Posted by: ankhet on Apr 21, 2008 3:42 AM   
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is doing the right thing. He's doing what those parties most directly affected should be doing - talking, or making the discussions possible. Israel must accept at the table all the partners in the discussion, even - or especially - the ones it fears most. Hamas was democratically elected, after all.

Carter is to be respected and admired, his work supported. He is an extremely courageous man, a rarity nowadays.

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Negotiate with HAMAS
Posted by: robchapman on Apr 21, 2008 4:15 AM   
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It is unclear whether the other parties involved will be able to follow up on Jimmy Carter's peace initiative in the mid-East.

Two things are clear. A good negotiator like Mr. Carter can achieve tangible and beneficial results. It is better to depend on a man with a proven track record than on people who have been unable to achieve results.

It behooves us to keep in mind that Mr. Carter is one of the architects of the only settlement to arise out of the mid eastern conflicts. That the settlement he brokered, between Egypt and Israel has resulted in 32 years of peace, trade and friendly relations between those countries who were formerly bitter enemies.

It is mind-boggling that Secretary of State Rice or any Bush Administration official would be given any publicity when they criticize Mr. Carter.

The contrast between Mr. Carter's and President Bush's policies and results could not be more stark or more unfavorable for Mr. Bush.

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» RE: Negotiate with HAMAS Posted by: bozhidar
great American
Posted by: grmartin on Apr 21, 2008 4:41 AM   
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Jimmy Carter gets my vote as the best US president ever - by far.

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» RE: great American Posted by: Erin
» RE: great American Posted by: hagwind
Jimmy Carter
Posted by: pfeifer999 on Apr 21, 2008 5:01 AM   
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....couldn't positively impact middle east politics when he had the resources of a superpower at his disposal, and the authority of being the elected leader of a great nation. I'm not sure what other than hope and happy thoughts makes any of the Carter cheerleaders think it will turn out differently this time.

Call it like it is: Jane Fonda-esque grandstanding.

But this is not just about Carter. No other US president has done a good job of getting groups like Hamas, Hezb'allah and Islamic Jihad to sit down and talk with Israel. It's time we admitted that we're not contributing to that conversation, that it's harmful to us to get involved in it, and stopped our global meddling. Israel can take care of itself just fine.

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» RE: Jimmy Carter Posted by: andrushka
» RE: Jimmy Carter Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Jimmy Carter Posted by: edgar_michel
» hello? Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Jimmy Carter Posted by: mainspark
» mainspark Posted by: pfeifer999
APARTHEID AMERICA!
Posted by: williameon on Apr 21, 2008 5:43 AM   
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Carter is a Giant amongst Residents.

A Man of Peace that walks the Walk and talks the Talk.
Peace is a negotiated.
There is two Israel’s and Americas today.
One where most of the people want Peace and Prosperity,
And the other where a minority,
Profits from and wants more Violence and War.

Who suffers?
Who pays for This WAR with their children’s lives and resources?
Who is being attacked and
Controlled by this Violence?

HUMANITY
Humanity is held Hostage to the Violence.

Who wants War?
Who benefits from the Conflict and
The building of the apartheid Walls?
Corpirate War Profiteers!

The Military, Media, Banking, Industrial Complex
Controls our Government.

Who is The Federal Preserve bailing out right now?
Their Schlock Market and Banking Cohorts.

It’s none for you and all for ME!
Nothing for the Little Guy!
How much is enough?
Is 99% of everything already too much?

I think it is and
It is sinking us further into a DEPRESSION!

Why do The Peace Makers always get assassinated?
While the War Mongers go Free?
Spreading more Terrorism and Violence?

War Profiteers have no soul.
They have no Country.
They Pledge their allegiance to one thing only:
GREED
Unmitigated, Relentless, Violent, Monolistic,
GREED.

They want Power and Control over your life,
Any way possible.

Greed and Selfishness is their Driving Force.
They make threats and follow up on them.
They use intimidation, coercion and terrorism to justify more violence.
Chicken Hawks and Paper Generals.
Proclaim The War is a Suc-k-cess.
Yes they have sucked all the money out of your pockerts.
Funneled your jobs overseas.
They have Universal Health while you have none.
Poor and Ignorant.
JUniquely American,
Just the way they like it.
How much will you take?
How much can you take?
Of this
BU__! SH__!

Dead Eye and The Shrub.

We are the Victims.
The Patsy.
Held Prisoner to their Horrendous acts of violence against Humanity and
The Planet.

We are on the Brink of Destruction.
They are willing to:
Destroy everything to get their way!

The question is?
Are you going to let them do it?

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» who are the little guys? Posted by: pfeifer999
» Happy Onion Farm Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE:That's pretty good!! Posted by: donl51
CARTER WANTS PEACE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 21, 2008 5:43 AM   
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The Bush crowd wants the world to do what it's told or suffer the consequences. Big difference
I like it Carter's way. Condi Rice has been a dismal failure. Carter's approach to the Mid-East has worked in the past. I think some of that is due to the fact that people genuinely like him. However he makes it work is fine with me. We should be grateful have him. Smart enough to know what to do and not afraid of Bush and Co. Good work! Thanks, ANNA

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The Value of His Travel
Posted by: Urstrly on Apr 21, 2008 5:52 AM   
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Holland is right; no need negotiating peace if all the parties are not on board. The Bush Administration, after ignoring the whole Israeli/Palestinian issue for so long, is looking for a quick fix so that GWB can say he tried. Carter's like a bird dog, flushing out the thornier barriers to peace and, hopefully, pointing Obama in the right direction.

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» that would be a "no" Posted by: pfeifer999
» You would be "wrong" Posted by: Quannah
Carter: Most underrated President of the 20th Century
Posted by: HomerScarborough on Apr 21, 2008 6:16 AM   
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I had the pleasure of working with Carter when he was Georgia's governor and I was a member of the Ga. House of Representatives. He took the same quality of fair play and doing what is right to the White House. He has carried on with his desire and work for justice and peace in the world even after he left office, rather than following the lead of other former Presidents by making millions on the speaking circuit. He is one of the few former presidents that is worth more to the United States than the retirement that he receives. Would be that other former Presidents in the present and future follow his lead.

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» nice to hear from you Posted by: Ripcord
Hamas
Posted by: TagsNOLA on Apr 21, 2008 6:19 AM   
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Hamas is a creation of Israeli intelligence just as Al Quaeda was a creation of the CIA. Hamas was first created by Israel as a counter to Fatah. But, like Al Quaeda, the "golem," Hamas, has turned on its creator.

There is no talking with Hamas. Their "charter" demands destruction of the State of Israel and murder or removal of the Jews from all Israeli territory. The Arabs in Gaza voted for Hamas, not because most of them expect to achieve Hamas' pogram of murder and destruction, but because for widespread frustration at Fatah's corruption and unresponsivness to their needs.

But the policy of Hamas is not the best interests of the Arabs of Gaza. It is "victory or death." Sooner would they see every Jew and Arab dead than that there should be peace between them.

I remember some years ago a 13 year old Arab boy was strapped to a suicide bomb and sent out to murder Jews. He decided against "martyrdom." An Israeli bomb squad came and defused the bomb, saving the boy's life at risk of their own. For once, the media reported this blood thirsty, cowardly use of a child by cynical jerks too chicken to "martyr" themselves.

Later they boy's mother was interviewed. Grudgingly, she conceded that maybe her son had been "too young" for his appointed mission. But she hastened to add that, once he reached the age of 17, that would be old enough to go off and kill himself and Jewish victims.

Golda Meir was right, "When the Arabs decide to love their children more than they hate the Jews, there can be peace."

Golda Meir also noted, "When the Arabs put down their guns, there will be no war. When the Jews put down their guns, there will be no Israel."

In few of the articles posted here, do I see any other than proforma criticism of Hamas' rocketing of Israeli civilians, only excoriation of the Jews for cordoning off Gaza in response to the attack on their civilians.

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» RE: Hamas Posted by: hagwind
» RE: Hamas Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Hamas Posted by: hagwind
» RE: Hamas Posted by: pfeifer999
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» RE: Hamas Posted by: pfeifer999
the fairness fella
Posted by: the fairness fella on Apr 21, 2008 6:36 AM   
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Good to see the courageous Carter appreciated.

His is an uphill battle because he's playing against people who don't reveal their true agendas when they revile him.

Hamas was never rejected because it would not recognize Israel. If that had been the sticking point, Israel would have explored compromise possibilties. Would Hamas recognize an Israel which promised to speedily withdraw from the West bank, for example? .

That was never tried so we'll never know. What we do know is that the threat Hamas represented was quite different, not existential at all.

Hamas was dangerous because it would have been a tough and effective negotiating partner at the peace table.

That was the unspoken danger to an Israel which had and still has no intention of giving the Palestinians anything of value in terms of a state.

Proof that this is true is that they've given Abbas, their chosen peace partner, nothing.

If Olmert was really interested in a peace deal and shutting out Hamas at the same time, he would have given Abbas something substantial to take to his people.

As it is, Olmert's done nothing but humiliate and enfeeble the Palestinian leader, building new settlements, setting new blockades, breaking promises left and right.

This leaves Carter with no choice but to try and bring the real player back into the game.

That of course is the last thing Israel and the US want and so they blow the terror smokescreen in our eyes yet again.

Until their hidden agenda, holding onto territory no matter what the cost to the region and the world, is exposed, nothing will change.

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» RE: the fairness fella Posted by: freshlemon
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The PeaceMaker
Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 21, 2008 7:51 AM   
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Carter is a true man of peace. Carter has made peace his goal in life for the greater good of all of us. He is a hero to me.

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My main man Jimmy and I don’t mean Hendrics
Posted by: solrev on Apr 21, 2008 8:11 AM   
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Carter does not have the authority to negotiate anything, however the lines of communication that he continues to maintain will be invaluable one day. That day better come quick because he is not getting any younger. The Israeli Palestinian solution is not even on the horizon. That little hot spot is a necessity for all the political cold wars being played out in the Middle East. It is just a bit of propaganda if you believe that the cold war between the US and Russia is not alive and well, just ask Syria. Iran itself has been elevated to the rank of cold war. I have always viewed the Iraq invasion as a means to bring not only peace to the Middle East but too much of the planet. We just need to change the players and the game will change. Do you think I see too many silver linings

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Time for US to look out for its own interests
Posted by: Paul1939 on Apr 21, 2008 8:36 AM   
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An excellent article Mr. Holland. Democratic and Republican leaders at the federal and state levels are as dumb as bumps on a log. We are giving billions to Israel and Egypt, money we don't have. Don't these so called leaders know we are drowning in red ink! The people of the United States are in debt up to our proverbial ying yang. Our collective debt, i.e., the sum of federal debt, state & local governmental debt, international debt, and private debt, incl. households, business and financial sector debt, adds up to $53 trillion. We simply can't continue to borrow money to give to other nations. It is way past time for the US to focus on own country, and to put our interests ahead of all others. Although Israel is an ally, in the big picture of US interests they are small fry. It's time to let Israel fend for itself; maybe then they will be more concerned with finding peace with their neighbors than in creating a greater Israel. We've wasted nearly 40 years since Carter brokered peace between Israel and Egypt looking out for Israel’s interest instead of our own – our interests are diametrically opposed to those of Israel. Carter’s approach is a good first step, but we must go further and tell Israel to negotiate in good faith with an object of peace in the short run or else.

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Who has more guts -- Bush 43 or Carter?
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 21, 2008 8:51 AM   
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I'm a former USAF pilot and Vietnam veteran. Crewing a nuclear submarine 1,000 feet beneath the sea was absolutely the last thing I wanted to do in the military -- one reason I joined the Air Force instead of the Navy.

Carter served on a nuclear submarime. And what did Bush 43 do in the military? He went AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard.

Case closed on guts!

Hugh E. Scott, lifelong registered Republican, Obama supporter and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com, the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.

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» chest hair Posted by: pfeifer999
Holland is right about dispute resolution
Posted by: Earthian on Apr 21, 2008 9:27 AM   
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As a specialist in conflict resolution in family therapy, mediation and organizational health, I can say that most professionals believe and practice that the alternatives to communicating with the worst offenders and most difficult people in any situation are usually worse than attempting to talk things through towards a win/win negotiated solution. As usual, Joshua Holland did his homework. Including all parties to a conflict to work towards a solution is axiomatic as a normal part of the practice. Carter knows this. He worked with Roger Fisher from the Harvard Negotiation Project at the time of Camp David. While Carter's past has examples of unproductive, harmful decisions (supporting Afghan attacks against the Soviets to induce the 1980 invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union *and* his Mideast policy of US domination, to name two of several) I think it best to appreciate his current actions, as Holland does in this article. Carter is helping create peace. Bravo to him and to Holland for a superb article.

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» Agreed! Posted by: war_on_tara
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» Whoa ... overreact much? Posted by: Joshua Holland
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» Gotcha Posted by: Joshua Holland
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bozhidar bob balkas
Posted by: bozhidar on Apr 22, 2008 9:32 AM   
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palestine will never rise again unless it obtains WMD.
zionism is just too evil to 'give' any of 'their' land

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bozhidar bob balkas
Posted by: bozhidar on Apr 22, 2008 10:17 AM   
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even carter skirts the most important principles.
1)no land has the right to attack another under no known circumstance.
2)corrollary arising out of above of-necessary-truth principle is that only people who do crime do time and not children, women and other noncrimimals; and of course, people who are punished become 'criminals'
3)world court issues warrant for arrest/kill of any war crminal; buttresed by putting a ransom of $millions or billions on head of one or more criminals.
4)by far the best method in capturing/killing terrorists or war criminals is to use speciaist; probably under UN command.
if that had been done, US wouldn't have ever needed to invade Iraq and to punish millions for crimes of few people. more can be said
thank u

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Isarealis want to quit fighting them too....
Posted by: eosrk on Apr 22, 2008 10:49 AM   
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they're tired!

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Last Great President who was the first victim of Inc Assination
Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 23, 2008 4:02 AM   
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Carter is -and has always been a good & honest man. The last and most likely only one for a long time prior to. He was the first to fall victim to the new Assination techiques of the Cheney Doctrine. They cut the legs out from under him during th eHostage Crisis- they most likely had a great deal to do with the Oil crisis (Cheney places in both areana- he's a founder of the Corporationist Party)
The idea that by not engaging both sides of a dispute to resolve it is Ludicrous and Dangerous. Funny this admin (and those who Dick was involved with before) never did anything to actually bring Peace to the ME.
Becaue that would have negated their global Business Stratedgy- the same Mission statement which began to have it's effects in the '70's- Hostages, Oil Crisis, highjackings....9/11 was a direct result of their Unethical Business Practices. I'm not quite to the point of buying his Direct involvement in the Planning- but I do lay the blame on Him et al (including the royals who rolled out the carpet, and laid out their own people for these Incs' Use & Abuse)But then again you have to wonder since Binny was sleeping with the Incs in the '80's and we have yet to 'Find ' him. Could find Saddam in a Hole- but can't find Binny in a Cave- who needs dialysis at least a couple time a week- hard to beleive.Tehn add the numerous crimes he, the admin & Congress have committed, or are at least complicite?
Thank You Jimy for trying to resolve the issues which are only provoked by such vile humans as Dick & fiends!The ideology of 'ignore it an it will go away' is a Charade and Criminal- A crime Aganist Humanity- Only a fools or a Crooks adage.

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