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Dems Miss Opportunity to Challenge Surge

By David Corn, Mother Jones. Posted April 9, 2008.


Petraeus' testimony was predictable: Progress is real, we must stay the course. But Democrats missed an opportunity to undercut the White House story.
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As General David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday and pitched a story of success in Iraq, a news update flashed on the television screen: Sadr threatens to end cease-fire. Meaning that civil war between the Shiite-dominated government of Baghdad and the Shiite movement led by cleric Moqtada al-Sadr could erupt. But Senator John McCain, the senior Republican member at the hearing, seemed unaware of this development. He asked Petraeus, "What do you make of Sadr's declaration of a cease-fire?"

This brief moment underscored a point that war supporters and war critics on the committee kept making throughout the hearing: The ground reality in Iraq is starkly different from how the war is depicted in the United States. Senator Joe Lieberman scoffed at war skeptics for embracing what he called a see-no-progress, hear-no-progress, speak-no-progress view of the war. On the other side, Senator Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) remarked that the testimony from Petraeus and Crocker -- who each claimed there has been significant though fragile progress in Iraq -- "describes one Iraq while we see another."

The main news of the morning -- news that had already leaked -- was that Petraeus has recommended that once the level of the U.S. troops in Iraq is brought down to presurge levels, which is scheduled for July, there be "a 45-day period of consolidation and evaluation" and then "a process of assessment" before any further troop reductions are considered. In other words, 19 months after the so-called surge -- and after all the supposed success of the surge -- U.S. military involvement in Iraq is expected to be what it was at the start of the surge. Under questioning from Senator Carl Levin (D-Mich.), the committee chairman, Petraeus noted that this process of assessment could take months and that additional reductions would only occur as conditions permit, indicating that the pause in the drawdown could be open-ended.

This was hardly a shocker. Petraeus, in keeping with Bush administration policy, refused to say anything concrete about reducing troops (at any time) to presurge levels. Instead, he and Crocker did what they could to keep alive the White House's favorite meme, that the surge is swell. They cited various indicators of what they consider success. "Weekly security incidents" are down to 2005 levels -- at least until last week. Civilian deaths, according to U.S. military figures, have fallen to early 2006 levels. Bombings are down to mid-2006 levels. The number of Iraqi battalions taking the lead in operations is up 20 percent since January 2007. The Sunni opposition to Al Qaeda in Iraq within Anbar province remains strong. Several pieces of legislation important to national political reconciliation have moved forward in the Iraqi parliament. A budget was passed with record amounts of capital expenditures. And, as Crocker noted, Iraq's Council of Representatives approved a redesign of the Iraqi flag. Their message: We must stay the course.

The Democrats on the committee took shots at the the-surge-is-working narrative, but with their 10-minute-long bursts of disjointed questions they were not able to redefine the debate. In his opening remarks, Levin noted that the main purpose of the surge -- to provide Iraqi leaders breathing room to hammer out a political settlement -- "has not been achieved," and he argued that "our current open-ended commitment is an invitation to continuing [Iraqi] dependency." He blasted the "incompetence and excessively sectarian leadership" of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and noted Iraq was not spending the billions of dollars in surplus it has obtained thanks to rising oil prices, leaving the American taxpayers (who are forced to pay up to $4.00 a gallon for gas) paying for tens of billions of reconstruction within Iraq. He cited a State Department report that noted that "the intransigence of Iraq's Shiite-dominated government [is] the key threat facing the U.S. effort in Iraq, rather than al-Qaida terrorists, Sunni insurgents or Iranian-backed militias." And he said that he was recently informed that of 110 joint U.S.-Iraqi operations of company size or greater in Iraq in the first three months of 2008, Iraqi forces assumed the lead in only 10 of those missions. Kennedy wondered when Iraqi forces -- the recipient of billions of dollars in U.S. assistance -- are "ready to fight on their own." Senator Jim Webb (D-Va.) noted that the "awakening" in Anbar started before the escalation of U.S. troops in Iraq, and he shared his concern that the war was producing serious "strain" for the military.


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David Corn is the Washington editor of The Nation and the co-author of Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War and is the author of The Lies of George W. Bush. He writes a blog at davidcorn.com.

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Time to move beyond bring-them-home vs. surge-is-working
Posted by: Rune on Apr 9, 2008 1:13 AM   
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The real questions of the moment, I believe, should be "what is this costing us (not only in dollars)?" and "where do we stand after those debts are settled?" It's just meaningless to talk about the need for the surge and endless war or occupation without reckoning with the costs in the same way it gets us nowhere we want to go to have half the country champion tax cuts without adding up all the negative impacts that come with failing to provide the public money necessary to run a thriving, healthy country. Looking at the big picture and some of the consequences of the endless "combat operations" in Iraq can bring common cause to people who are otherwise divided by the favorite meme of the war profiteers and their minions: the fear of more war versus fear of discontinuing brutal military domination of "the enemy," whoever that may be.

Say what you will about the "war" or occupation of Iraq, the undeniable and officially reported fact is that the readiness of the U.S. military to defend against an actual threat to the United States has been terribly undermined and is being made worse by ongoing, large scale combat operations in Iraq. Meanwhile, large numbers of troops, especially those in National Guard units, are trapped in a revolving door of stop loss policies until they are spit out when they become too damaged to fight (or they are killed), only to become a burden for families and state and local governments to care for because the V.A. is broken, too.

These are real problems that are unacceptable to most people and politicians of any political stripe when they are forced to confront them. And that is what we should do, confront our people and government officials with this aspect of the mess and insist that they address them responsibly. They can do that by ending or seriously downscaling combat operations or by ramping up the budget and the recruiting efforts to replace the bodies and material that are being damaged and destroyed at a terrible rate. There isn't much will for a draft or for spending the extra tens of billions of dollars per year (if not more) it would take to rebuild military readiness while continuing to conduct "the surge" in Iraq, so winding down and getting out looks to be more the more acceptable option.

So long as the costs to military readiness and the well being of veterans are presented as the key issues, winding down combat operations in Iraq can have appeal to those who want a strong and able military as well as those who want to reduce the size of the military and put more effort and wherewithal into promoting peace.

Meanwhile, all (other than the guilty members of the administration) can agree that the terrible neglect of those who are being psychologically and physically damaged while serving in multiple, long combat stints in Iraq is a national disgrace, as well as a costly burden to address. That, too, should be a key point to emphasize.

Let's put aside the debate over whether the surge is "working" for now and concentrate on what it is costing us in terms of military readiness, medical and mental health obligations that are going unmet, and enormous amounts of deficit spending that are helping to sink the economy. Once that becomes THE frame, we can argue about what to do next, but so long as vague fears and undefined "victory" is the focus--as Petraeus and the Bush administration wish it to be--no practical and concrete consensus can be formed on how to escape this "war without end."

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 9, 2008 2:26 AM   
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FREE AMERICA


Direct Democracy

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Never in my life have I seen such a group of weak-willed, spineless jellyfish
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Apr 9, 2008 2:42 AM   
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It should be completely clear by now the dems have no stomach for change or in doing their job... Cowards, just a bunch of sheepish cowards...

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» That's an insult to jellyfish! Posted by: antiapathy
Dems did Not "Miss Opportunity" to Challenge Anything
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Apr 9, 2008 3:12 AM   
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Including "the Surge" which is code for genocide at the killing field better known as an illegal Iraq occupation and War.

That's because the Dem leadership is a core part of the sellout that is faux "war on terror" based on no more than serial lies from 9/11 forward. Mister Corn at the politically correct Nation clearly knows this and clearly won't say so.

So much easier to pretend...

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» Is it possible that................... Posted by: oceanwaves99999
Choices and changes
Posted by: carbon-based on Apr 9, 2008 3:49 AM   
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The democrats revealed how they played upon Americas desire to leave Iraq in the last election with no intention of ever following through. They are just happy to have an office and desk to sit behind.. never to leave it until the next election.

America is caught in a two party dictatorship run by the Bush and Clinton famlies.

Isnt it time for a true change.. how about a no confidence vote selection on the ballot to send a message to government.

Our choices in this election don't look that great!

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Root cause goes unaddressed -- again
Posted by: Moonray on Apr 9, 2008 3:51 AM   
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After the Vietnam War I hoped that the core reasons for that situation would be corrected, but they were ignored. The real problem is two-fold: our outmoded, executive-dominated government and our huge military-industrial complex that sustains itself with fresh conflicts.

Sadly, those flaws not only still exist but have become much worse. And instead of addressing them, the conversation about Iraq is mostly about whose bad idea it was. That's especially unfortunate for our children, for whom the next unnecessary war already is being planned. America must address its core flaws or bankrupt itself fighting wars that enrich the few while destroying its people.

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Framing the Question
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Apr 9, 2008 4:37 AM   
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Once again. ONCE AGAIN the Dems have allowed the Republicans and the warmongers to frame the question with LIES.

Here's why.

The Dems have asked this: WHAT criteria on the ground will tell us it's time to leave?

The Republicans have all told us that it is a disaster to withdraw. They have literally taken this choice completely out of the realm of possibilities. Thus, they have framed the issue in such a way that there is NO OPTION for leaving Iraq.

So, the answer is LEAVE.

Tell me one time in this war that the Republicans and the Generals on the ground have been right or correct about anything that has happened there. All of their predictions have failed. The goal post continues to move.

WE MUST LEAVE. We have to leave because if we don't leave our country will be in such huge debt that we will never be able to get above it. In addition, the black hole of troop deaths will prevent our military from ever defending ourselves in case of a REAL threat.

If the Dems don't simply put the WITHDRAWAL option on the table and put NEON f*cking lights around it, we're doomed.

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» RE: Framing the Question Posted by: bcain
» RE: Framing the Question Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Framing the Question Posted by: EJLima
gathaiga
Posted by: gathaiga on Apr 9, 2008 4:42 AM   
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The current crop of the elected/selected in Washington who claim to be Democrats have missed a hell of a lot and have required years of practice to avoid missing their asses with both hands.

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Nothing new. They always miss.
Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 9, 2008 5:44 AM   
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They missed plenty of opportunities since the Nixon days itself on foreign policy. The vote to authorize a carte blance "resolution" for war and occupation in Iraq in 2002 already showed how fucked up the party was.

votenader.org

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Considering ...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Apr 9, 2008 6:01 AM   
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When your party has asshats like this in it

how can you expect them to act any differently?
democrat?

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That was no miss!
Posted by: Ipsi Dixit on Apr 9, 2008 6:03 AM   
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Miss it my arse. They didn't miss it, they let it slip through there hands deliberately. Lets face it folks, the role of the Democrats is that of 'His Majestys loyal opposition' - they are there simply to pay lip-service to the idea of democracy and to give the illusion of debate, but, truth be told, there just two cheeks of the same backside.

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The Democrats have forsaken us
Posted by: bthespoon on Apr 9, 2008 6:07 AM   
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I live in Illinois where Democrats have been in full control for over seven long years now and not a thing has changed for the better. All they've proven is that they can and will sell us out to moneyed interests and rule just as corruptly as Republicans. Democrats do talk a much better talk, but then walk the walk to the right side of center. Both Obama and Hillary are neo-liberals, like neo-cons only not quite as bad.

I've been paying more attention to what both Obama and Clinton do than what they say. They have and will sell us out on health care, environmental issues, trade issues (remember how Obama lied to us about NAFTA), and yes even Iraq (say one thing then do another)..and yes, even Obama.

ESPECIALLY OBAMA.

I watched in disgust as he helped gut real health care reform here in his home state where he's not so new. He and Hillary both want to use our tax dollars to feed the beast that IS the health care problem (health insurers with no morality nor end to greed), rather than solve the problem. Both talk about "Guaranteed Issue" but leave out the fact that both would allow health insurers to still single out sick people and financially discriminate against them, and that it's costing the rest of us hundreds of billions of wasted dollars every year to keep giving them a piece of our health care pie. No Community Rating for us!

I saw Obama make one speech (which now he's glad he made) against the Invasion of Iraq, then say and do nothing more about the problem for quite some time as long as he thought doing nothing was politically expedient (except vote to fund it every chance he's had), and has given himself a way to weasel out of bringing our troops home "if the situation on the gropund changes". Sigh.

He thinks burning coal with carbon sequestration is a good idea (it's not) and that nuclear energy is a "clean alternative" (it's not). He supports corn-based ethanol even though he knows (but won't admit) that it uses more energy to produce than it saves, not to mention uses a gallon of water per gallon of fuel produced. He thinks polluters should be able to purchase the right to pollute. Sheesh.

Now all I hear when he talks are his lies of omission laced with platitudes, and the crowd going crazy with hope that he's the one we can (finally) count on to do what we need. I'm warning you (us): don't count on it. I've been down his road already and there's nothing there but a great politician (not a real hero), I swear. And I can't tell you how awful it makes me feel to have to say it, because it is really horrible. How I wish I could be torn between two great candidates running for we the people, but alas that feeling would not be based on facts.

I don't think Ralph wants to run at all, but I think he too has been paying attention and realizes we the people have no voice left speaking honestly for us. McCain winning would be the worst, but the neo-liberals have forsaken us as well. I live in a state where as long as McCain has not the slightest chance of winning (and he doesn't) I feel a duty to support Nader and vote for the only candidate left who represents the people's interests and not the moneyed ones.

Why do we keep voting against ourselves, and falling for misleading rhetoric?

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» I live in Illinois too Posted by: antiapathy
Tough sledding
Posted by: taxidriver on Apr 9, 2008 6:09 AM   
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This article makes a good point: It's tough to get at the facts when each senator has only 10 minutes to ask questions (and they lose 1-2 minutes each in obligatory praise of the troops, which should really go without saying). Despite this, the testimony was still remarkable. Just listen to Petraeus/Crocker: "progress" is "fragile, reversible, uneven." Iraq remains "exceedingly complex and challenging." In so many words, they're basically saying the surge has not worked. If our politicians truly listened and parsed these words, they should conclude it's time to leave. After all, our military is supposedly controlled by our civilian leaders and accountable to Congress. But it seems no one wants to be blamed for "losing" Iraq, especially in an election year. So we continue to fiddle while Iraq burns.

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The Dems will save us! Yeah--sure
Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 9, 2008 6:27 AM   
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Why do so many Progressives keep to the mantra "the Democrats will save us!"? And then wring their hands and wail that they aren't? The fact of the matter is that the Dems are just as much a part of the power elite as the Republicans. That many of them supported the war, and many benefit financially from the companies that are supplying it.

We need a third party in this country now more then ever.

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Comedia dell'arte
Posted by: QCao009 on Apr 9, 2008 6:34 AM   
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If our tax dollars were not being stolen daily and our boys and girls not dying, then yesterday's Committee would have been true comedy. As it is, this truly shows the upper hand of the executive branch over the legislative, and it also shows how mediocre a President Mr. Bush is when his party had control of all three. If it wasn't for Mr. Cheney, his thievery and criminality would have even been substandard.

Iraq and Afghanistan are going to continue to degenerate, and whoever the next stand-in puppet is, will inherit a house completely looted. Then and only then, will the voices of the people be heard.

The article is not up to Alternet's standard because all the actors are just playing their part. I thought David to be a better observer and critic than this. I have to question the veracity of the press if they continue to be surprised by neocons of different shades.

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Um, Senator, are you aware that we do not own Iraq?
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Apr 9, 2008 6:33 AM   
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So John McCain thiinks that "Congress must not lose in Iraq." Well, lose what exactly, Senator? Bush's vision of a venture capitalist paradise after the demise of Saddam has long since fallen by the wayside, along with his designs on unlimited access to Iraqi oil. The news footage of Baghdad--inasmuch as we're permitted to see it--reminds me of nothing so much as old films of St. Petersburgh in 1917; the tyrant was gone, but in his wake was nothing but sheer anarchy. The only means of controlling it was to engage the services of another tyrant.

And what I heard from the Dems yesterday sounded a lot like they were discussing what to do, not with Iraq, but with, say, South Dakota. Congress as a whole just can't seem to grasp the concept that Iraq is not ours to do with as the latest whim strikes us. Here's an idea. Let's pretend the war never took place. Let's allow the Iraqis to control their own destiny, while we concentrate on controlling our own. If civil war is what Iraq wants, we are greatly exceeding our brief by trying to prevent it. I seem to recall that the US fought its own civil war unencumbered by any other nation's interference.

In addition, the current excuse for continuing to wear out our welcome there--the notion of establishing an Iraqi democracy--was merely an afterthought anyway. It was one more attempt at a face-saving rationale for unjustifiable aggression that Bush was hoping would resonate with the public.

Look, we've already virtually destroyed their country, killed off tens of thousands of their citizens, and exiled who knows how many more. For chrissake, can't we simply let the remainder of the poor souls out from under the American imperialist thumb?

You know; like we did in Vietnam.

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Bush Smirks
Posted by: LANCE on Apr 9, 2008 6:58 AM   
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Where were the architects of Iraq's unbelievable disaster? Where was Bush? Rove? Rumsfeld? Cheney? Rice?

Are the perpetrators of the worst unnatural disaster in recent history absolved from any responsibilities?

Millions dead. Trillions wasted. Cities reduced to rubble.

And Bush smirks.

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» RE: Bush Smirks Posted by: Ellen Remore
It's unbeleivable
Posted by: GrannyBgood on Apr 9, 2008 7:26 AM   
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The dis-connect with reality is so bad people don't even blink when the Talking Asshats on TV carp about Iraq not using their own oil for their own reconstruction!

HELLO!!!?
THEY did not bomb their own country to smithereens based on a dirty LIE! THEY did not murder over a million of their own people and call it "collateral Damage"! Not even Saddam Hussein did that!
NONE of them had anything to do with 9/11 no matter how many times the Smirker or Oily Dick tells us that!
And since they were NOT a "democracy" like WE are SUPPOSED to be, how can Iraqui citizens be held accountable or be so brutally punished for their dictator's actions?
Why on Earth should we expect NOT to pay for the damage our "elected" leaders have done? We WILL be held accountable, whether we like it or not! Perhaps only exposure and prosecution of our criminal government will absolve us. (How about Bush and Cheney swinging from the gallows on the National Mall, a la Mussolini!)

I got another of those sappy faux-patriotic e-mails about Marines today, praising them for protecting our "Freedom" over THERE. I wrote the sanctimonious fool "Too bad they can't come home and protect us from the TERRORISTS in the Whitehouse'...and I guess I should have added "and their enablers in Congress!"

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» RE: It's unbeleivable Posted by: KKAK
» And it's also insufferable! Posted by: Ellen Remore
Just one of many unanswered BIG questions...
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 9, 2008 7:29 AM   
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Although I'm an ardent Obama supporter, he disappointed me yesterday with his tepid questioning of General Petraeus.

For example, I wish Obama would've asked, "How long can the surge be sustained without fatally damaging our armed forces?"

If the general can't answer that question, he has NO business leading U.S. troops in Iraq.

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican and the editor of www.PhonyFighterPilot.com, the only website about George W. Bush that presents irrefutable, smoking-gun proof of White House corruption.

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» Obama has dissappointed me too Posted by: bthespoon
Imagine that...
Posted by: Tombo on Apr 9, 2008 7:54 AM   
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the Dems missing an opportunity to stand up for what is right

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Politicos or Patriots
Posted by: reinaldok on Apr 9, 2008 8:22 AM   
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The demos have once again shown that are just hack politicians. Interested more in getting elected than in doing what is right. I hold them just as responsible for the Iraq quagmire compared to the Bush, Rummy, Cheney, Rice, Rove gang and their ilk. Why do you think that any thinking person living outside our boundaries will not believe one tiny bit of the junk spewed out by Washington?

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We the People...
Posted by: JohnJlws on Apr 9, 2008 8:29 AM   
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When did Vietnam, Iraq, name-your-conflict, our foreign policy, become someone else's responsibility besides our own? We elect the "asshats," so what does that make us (blame the "peddlers of influence," blame the Swiftboat Clowns for Half-Truths, or whomever, but they vote one time too)?

We're this great Christian nation with great Christian values that supports, and has for generations, one of the most un-Christian and violent agendas the planet has ever seen. I mean if all of us give such a big shit about this Christian thing why is there Darfur and Tibet and starvation and poverty and...?

It's time for We the People to stand up. If we want the war to end, let's end the war. Let's take to the streets, let's shut down business, let's stop commerce, let's stop everything we're doing and stop the war.

But first they're having a sale at Wal-Mart selling some big-box crap and Johnny has soccer this afternoon and "well, shit, Idol is on tonight." The reality is it "ain't the asshats," or "Bush/Cheney," or the "three evils we have to choose from," or "the lack of tough questions." Those of us who failed to stand up and be heard loud enough when Bush was running and re-running for President, should be slapped as we saw it coming and didn't do enough.

Folks, plain and simple, it's us.

So, let me stand up and try to be heard this time. If you want what we have on steroids vote McCain. His lack of temper control (this will be sold as "toughness" or perhaps "decisiveness" this November) alone probably demonstrates he's border-line sane (like road rage with nuclear bombs) and will without a doubt not only continue Iraq, but will probably escalate it. He's seeking redemption for Vietnam, so if you like what is happening in America's foreign policy vote McCain.

Hillary. Who knows? She's been under sniper fire, has stories that she sells as gospel that aren't true and is married to the world's most prominent liar who used every trick in the book to initially get elected--he's brought this "burn down the village to save it" mentality, "say whatever it takes to get elected and then deal with it" philosophy, unfortunately, to Hillary's campaign. She was an ardent supporter of this war until the polls told her not to be. So vote Hillary if you want more politics of the same and probably or possibly not a continuation of the Iraq conflict.

Barack. Even though Hillary said differently, he didn't support the war from the outset. He didn't support the resolution to give the President the same permission to invade Iran (McCain and Clinton did). He's pretty much untested. He's young. He's inexperienced, although who wants the experience we've had for the last umpteen years? He had a pastor that was pretty scary to many of us white folks and maybe some people of color. He's been endorsed by Louis Farrakhan. His middle name is Hussein. Michelle has a different perspective of this nation. He's black, but has a white mother. His father left when he was two. He has some crazy ideas like talking to our adversaries. He smiles a lot and talks about "hope" and "change" without really defining these.

If you want what we have DO NOT vote for Obama, or "vote Green" and elect another GW...again (thanks for the first term, by the way--your votes could have positively changed the course of history as Gore was at least smart enough to know not to invade Iraq in revenge for 9-1-1; he might have invaded Saudi Arabia, but then at least he would have had the responsible parties right).

Like him or not, scared shitless or not, experience or judgment or not, if you want to end the war, Obama is probably your guy as the others simply are not. Remember, however, whatever everyone decides to do, the responsibility, fault, blame is ours. It's us.

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» RE: We the People... Posted by: Ellen Remore
Setup
Posted by: willymack on Apr 9, 2008 9:45 AM   
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The "hearing" between the Senate and the bush ass kissers, including crocked and betrayus was nothing more or less than a rehearsed farce for the rubes that comprise our body politic. A few facts follow. 1. The bush regime is ILLEGAL, a result of not one, but TWO phony elections. 2. We, the people continue to allow the crooks to remain in power and abuse us. 3. The Iraq "war" is a result of lies, and was started for the purpose of stealing Iraqi oil and WAR PROFITS, with the resulting kickbacks to the bushies. 4. The ONLY "resolution" to the Iraq tragedy is an immediate and permanent withdrawal of all military personnel. 5. There is no way the Iraqis will EVER forgive us for the brutal way we've conducted ourselves. They think in terms of centuries, and are still divided over events that occurred long before our Declaration of Independence. 6. There is no way the Iraqis will EVER accept our occupation of their nation, no matter how many clever lies are told in order to placate them. They're not stupid, ignorant Americans after all, and can see right through our lies and deceits.

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It's the money, Stupid! Politicians are War Profiteering.
Posted by: itzamirakul on Apr 9, 2008 9:48 AM   
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I guess I am talking to nearly all of us when I use the term, "Stupid" because we fail to see the importance of war profiteering to our politicians and their friends and families despite their mealy-mouth platitudes, promises and oily smiles when they speak to "We, the People."

An article in yesterday's newsletter by www.commondreams.org War Profiteering Lawmakers really opened my eyes to the amount of personal wealth many of our politicians on both sides of the aisle have invested in this war.

From http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/08/8155/ in an article entitled: US Lawmakers Invested in Iraq, Afghanistan Wars
by Abid Aslam, I read,

"WASHINGTON - U.S. lawmakers have a financial interest in military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, a review of their accounts has revealed.

Members of Congress invested nearly 196 million dollars of their own money in companies that receive hundreds of millions of dollars a day from Pentagon contracts to provide goods and services to U.S. armed forces, say nonpartisan watchdog groups."

The rest of the article names some names, etc. and it is enough to prove conflict of interest as to their real interest in bringing this war to an end.

Today, on C-Span, when a caller asked one of the representatives about this fact, he went on to declare that he could honestly say that no politician was voting to support the war because of personal financial interests.

Yeah, Riiiighttttt!

Why else would they sit quietly by and allow the Fed Reserve to rescue Bear Stearns unless they had money tied up in that?

By the time Americans wake up and the Republicans stop scratching their behinds and defending Bush while they slowly starve to death as a result of his manipulations and pigheaded decisions and the Liberals stop trying to save everyone in the world while a select few neocons and elites totally bankrupt America, it will most likely be too late.

Why don't we stand up and scream, "WHAT HAPPENED TO AMERICA'S WEALTH?"

Hooray, for Sen. Feingold for being the only one with enough guts to point out that Osama bin Laden said that he plans to destroy America BY BANKRUPTING HER!

Instead we would rather nit-pick over every word or gesture of the presidential candidates. How sad to see this great nation go down the drain while the people fiddle.

Itzamirakul

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The time for challenging the surge was a year ago.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 9, 2008 9:58 AM   
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The fact that the 2006 election and the Democratic victory did not lead to a reduction in fighting, but rather an escalation, means that the Democratic Party has lost the faith of the U.S. public, who also completely distrust the Republicans, for obvious reasons.

The 2006 election was supposed to lead to impeachment hearings and a complete examination of the crimes of BushCo, such as the fraudulent claims about Iraqi WMDs, the outing of Valerie Plame, the fraud and cronyism in the Iraq contracting process. That was supposed to lead to an examination of the role that oil interests played in Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force, and why Cheney was looking at maps of Iraqi oilfields in early 2001.

No such luck, huh? However, on the plus side it looks like Cheney and the neocons have been given the final boot. Take a look at this interesting clip: Did Petraeus part ways with the neocons? The RealNewsNetwork

That's a far better analysis of the situation in Iraq than this article. It appears that Iran and the U.S. are both nervous about a truly independent and democratic Iraq, and so both are supporting the same autocratic Iranian groups in Baghdad - Hakim and the Supreme Islamic Council.

I can see how Tehran would be worried about having an independent democratic and secular state on their borders, as would Saudi Arabia. Such as state would lead to inevitable comparisons by Saudi and Iranian citizens that could lead to democratic reform in both of those autocratic countries. The Saudi Royals and Iranian Clerics might be deposed or reduced to ceremonial status only.

Likewise, U.S. and British interests want a permanent colonial puppet government and a hydrocarbon law that allows them direct control over Iraq oil production decisions for the next few decades. An independent democratic state would be unlikely to allow that. Iraq has a solid base of oil technicians and could easily nationalize and produce its own oil - without having to share the revenue with Exxon, Halliburton, Shell, BP and Chevron.

It's a bit like the situation in old feudal England - when the peasants start revolting, the feudal lords will temporarily put aside their hatreds and feuds in order to crush the uprising. The neocons are outraged by this, but then they are as stupid as doorknobs, aren't they? They can't see that their little imperial wet dream is over, and are now rallying around McCain (notice how he's always got Lieberman coaching him?).

Would it be too outrageous to suggest that those in the U.S. who support a truly independent and secular democratic Iraqi state, with a strong central government as well as strong state's rights (like, you know, the U.S.), are in the same position as British citizens who supported American independence during that Revolution?

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the dems don't want skinny wallets
Posted by: nor cal surfer on Apr 9, 2008 10:57 AM   
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nor piss off the hand that feeds their future: military-industrial complex.

to think they're cut from so different a cloth (as repubs) is naive at best.

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ipso facto
Posted by: Quasar on Apr 9, 2008 11:33 AM   
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It seems to me that if there is not a plan to return Iraq to the Iraqis however long it may take, then we are there to stay. That is the plan (their plan) ipso facto whether they say it or not. That is why it is imperative to say that we do have a plan to get out even if we have no idea how to do it.

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They were MESMERIZED!! HYPNOTIZED!! IN AWE!!!
Posted by: weslen1 on Apr 9, 2008 12:28 PM   
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The republicans were too busy sucking up to the "war hero" and the "ambassador" to care about questions and the Democrats too scared to ask. The "ambassador" said "uh" "um" so many times it was impossible to make any SENSE AT ALL out of anything HE had to say. In one answer ALONE, I counted 56 "um"s in about 3 sentences. He's doing it again today. "Congressman, uh first uh I uh uh uh am not uh uh um uh uh," I don't know how anyone can STAND to listen more than 2 minutes. I'm turning it off right now. It's a giant waste of time anyway.

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the surge is working
Posted by: alphaeagle on Apr 9, 2008 1:00 PM   
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Yes the surge is working, now before you jump down my throat keep reading, yes it is working for the short time, the military has changed tactics and the insurgents have not yet adapted to the change and not yet found a weakness to exploit, but when they do all hell will break loose, the are biding their time until they find one.

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But, But, Obama was soooo "Presidential!!!!"
Posted by: eeezzz on Apr 9, 2008 1:09 PM   
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he said everything that needed to be said. Don't ya think?

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But, But, Obama was soooo "Presidential!!!!"
Posted by: eeezzz on Apr 9, 2008 1:09 PM   
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he said everything that needed to be said. Don't ya think?

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