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If America Declines, Don't Expect Anyone to Talk About It

By Kevin Phillips, Viking Press. Posted April 8, 2008.


Is our political system too far gone to even discuss the predicaments of the volatile dollar, run-amok debt and Middle East disasters?
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The following is an excerpt from Kevin Phillips' newly-released book, "Bad Money" (Viking, 2008).

Rarely in U.S. history has a president, especially a two-term president, been so unpopular at a time when the Congress, captured in the midterm elections by the opposition, is held in no greater regard. In such a case, the norm is for the two to fight, with one side gaining the edge. But that has not been true of George W. Bush and the Democratic Congress elected by running against him in 2006.

The two sides have gone after each other in a fashion, but more often they have simply talked past each other to their separate party constituencies, repeating familiar commitments to keep the true believers on each side somewhat more contented than the unimpressed independents -- those who bulk so large in the 60 to 70 percent of voters convinced that the country is on the wrong track. Most office holders on both sides seem to rest easier if everyone stays away from uncomfortable themes, even ones in the headlines, like costly U.S. overreach in the Middle East; the reckless expansion of private debt, as well as the federal budget deficit variety; the new economic (and political) dominance of the financial sector; and the mounting probability that the nation will have to choose between desirable energy supplies and global warming measures. After all, what you can sidestep today might go away tomorrow.

True, the public is not impressed -- "no guts" and "living in a dream world" are frequently heard descriptions of politicians. However, most big party contributors tend to donate based on established relationships and sympathies or on nonideological desire for access, not on philosophical engagement. No parallel to the simultaneous public distaste for a president and his opposition Congress comes to mind, but then modern polling goes back only to the 1930s. Let me stipulate: despite the obvious salience of predicaments like oil, climate, the volatile dollar, run-amok debt and credit, the housing bubble, and imperial overinvolvement in the Middle East, I would be the last to say that any more than 5 to 10 percent of the electorate would favor a 2008 debate over American decline. Average voters do not.

In these matters, history does not merely urge caution; it demands skepticism -- and about both public attention and likely governmental achievement. It is necessary to consider two other symptoms of weak, even failed U.S. politics: the entrenchment in Washington of a staggering array of interest groups, which has engendered a soulless political dynamic of perpetually raising and dispersing campaign funds; and the further, bipartisan trend toward what can only be called a politics of inheritance and dynasty.

Money politics and entrenched interests

The English-speaking peoples, when filling in new lands, had a certain naviete about the power of entrenched interests and how these could be subdued by locating a political capital in a remote federal preserve far from the existing centers of (corrupting) urbanity and wealth. The capitals were thus located in backwaters at a time when geography trumped media (Washington, D.C., Ottawa, and Canberra); but today, those names have become shorthand in their respective electorates for (1) metropolitan areas with strikingly high (and recession-resistant) per capita incomes; and (2) hothouses of seething interest-group concentration where elected representatives, shedding whatever grassroots fealty they may once have possessed, often train to retire after ten or twelve years to triple or even quintuple their salaries by becoming lobbyists.

As an aspiring theorist four decades ago, I developed a belief that the realignments seen in U.S. presidential politics every generation or so had an (idealized) cleaning-up component. The victors, with a mandate of sorts from an annoyed electorate rearranged in new party coalitions, came to the capital city and purged it of the used-up elites of the crowd that had just been voted out. Some of that occurred after Thomas Jefferson's election in 1800, Andrew Jackson's in 1828, Abraham Lincoln's in 1860, and Franklin D. Roosevelt's in 1932.

At any rate, it didn't happen after the 1968 election, although Republicans held the White House for twenty of the next twenty-four years. And it certainly hasn't happened since. Congress and the White House have been in the hands of different parties two-thirds of the time since 1968, so the United States has progressed to a new kind of interest-group influence: the simultaneous entrenchment in Washington of the used-up, don't-want-to-go-back-to-Peoria elites of both major parties. This electoral duopoly is in turn protected by various state and federal election and campaign-finance laws that make it hard for new parties to take hold or flourish. It's not that there aren't differences between the parties; it's just that they are limited differences and ones often reflecting cultural polarization.

In the early 1980s, an American sociologist by the name of Mancur Olson published a book called The Rise and Decline and Nations. Its thesis was that decline comes because after many years of success, a nation's political and economic arteries get so clogged with special-interest groups that its life-giving circulation of ideas and elites is impaired. Countries that are beaten in wars and occupied receive a new lease on life because their old interest-group structures get uprooted. He dwelled on Britain, the United States, Australia, and New Zealand, none successfully invaded or occupied over the last few centuries, as examples of impaired political and economic circulation. Olson misjudged the links between inflation and political failure, but his interest-group focus may have a partial utility in explaining political and governmental entrenchment and decline.

If one goes back and looks at the capital cities of the four previous leading world economic powers, in later eras attempts were made to divide, abandon, or relocate them. Capitals in both Rome and Spain were relocated -- in the fifth century A.D. the Roman capital moved to Ravenna, and Spain's for a while moved from Madrid to Valladolid. Concern about elites that were calcified and verging on permanence worried people then, too.

Parties and factions can also run out of creativity. British party politics was chaotic in the decades between the two world wars, which limited innovation and complicated any prospect of renewal. There is little more to be said for U.S. party politics in the early 2000s. The Republicans were discredited by eight years of failure in war, diplomacy, and fiscal honesty, and the Democrats won no laurel wreaths for effective opposition. Institutionally, the 180-year-old Democratic Party and the 150-year-old Republican Party have, over the last 40 years, uprooted themselves from what were their constituencies and allegiances as late as the 1960s.

Gone on the Democratic side is the southern and western geography of opposition to northeastern financial elites under the aegis of Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman. Instead, there is a new Democratic politics of new national elites -- financial, high-tech, and communications. The Republicans, in turn, have lost many of their old, post-Civil War northern and western constituencies and biases, turning to the South and the interior West and a combination of old-line northern business elites and the Sun Belt power structure so ascendant in the late twentieth century. For both parties, the bottom line is usually the same: the bottom line. Fund-raising. Money. Comparative rootlessness makes it easy.

Reprinted by arrangement with Viking, a member of the Penguin Group (USA) Inc., from Bad Money by Kevin Phillips.

Copyright © 2008 by Kevin Phillips

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Fictions and truths
Posted by: talkville on Apr 8, 2008 1:24 AM   
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"In these matters, history does not merely urge caution; it demands skepticism -- ..."

Mr Phillips is on the mark here.

Yet again, in a strange post-modern way, we find ourselves "in the best of times and the worst of times": our Two Cities, that one up there in the corporate and financial worlds where bonuses rise to ethers and life is sweet and ever so, well... downright Delicious! and then This One, where most of us are living, well -- not so much. Via fictions like those Charles Dickens conceived and published we wind ourselves towards truths such as Mr Phillips points to in this piece.

And it is very much true that what is most required is that skepticism and that caution noted; these are not days of impulse. Not only our political but also our economic, social and cultural systems (which are processes, really) are under attack, and I think it's a very well thought out, constructed, deliberate and single-minded attack by a particular historical contingent that cannot be described other than by the term Radical and is most definitely of the Right side of the political spectrum. They range from authoritarians to outright fascist opinions and beliefs; they believe in 'top-down' rule and they believe in force and in un-questioned power. They are religious and they are secular; they use religion and they use science. They rose gently during the 80's and more and more vehemently to our own present times and we are only beginning to see the effects and experience the apparatus that has been (and is being) built to maintain it. Ours is indeed a Tale of Two Cities (Them and Us) and is definitely a time for each citizen to take stock.

One aspect that seems singularly weak these days in thinking (and acting) our way through this assault on our Constitutional framework being stretched beyond breaking points is a concept that has been mentioned by those such as Istvan Meszaros and others: Self-Critique. It goes hand in hand with the caution and skepticism mentioned by Mr Phillips. It is always much easier to look Outwards and analyze, study, act upon and mobilize against or for the multitude of factors that are raining down upon us from every quarter.

Less easy to take some time and look Inward. Is my thinking and activity helping or hurting efforts to bring each of us closer to justice, to equity, to dignity? For the short-run? For the long-term? For me? For my family? For my society and my culture? For my species?

Skepticism, caution, critique - inward and towards the outside; but we must face those 'uncomfortable themes and issues" Mr Phillips spoke of -- honestly, with integrity, and in the interests of This City, ours. From the individual all the way to the species and the environment in which we thrive (or don't). And towards all those facts AND values which point toward justice, peaceful coexistence, dignity, equity, justice; towards and not away from truth.

"The Best of times and the Worst of times" (a value question involving reason, science and ethics and not least what is called "The Will") brings always a window and an opportunity for great things, great advances, better conditions; or it can bring almost (but not quite) un-thinkable and un-mitigated and un-speakable disasters. Our political, social, cultural and economic processes accomodate both possibilities. "We the People" and NOT "We the Volk" -- the edges are always thin, dangerously thin!

Each of us has skeptical, cautionary but very worthwhile work to do. I think it can be done in this City and on this planet. A better world is possible.

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Ottawa
Posted by: suprmark on Apr 8, 2008 1:36 AM   
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I'm not sure about the other two capitols, but Ottawa is located where it is to compromise between the French and English parts of Canada, and to keep the government farther from the American border in case they forgot the ass-whoopin' they received in the war of 1812, not to subdue entrenched interests.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 8, 2008 4:17 AM   
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FREE AMERICA

Direct Democracy

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Curious
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Apr 8, 2008 4:37 AM   
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One cannot avoid to think that the turning point, the mark, of that pattern's change, was the assassination of a president.

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welcome back
Posted by: Urstrly on Apr 8, 2008 5:10 AM   
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I'd been wondering where you were, Mr. Phillips. Your comments about the power of big money and income distribution in the last election were marvelous, and I'm going to buy your new book even if it does sound really depressing. No one has to convince me that this culture is in serious trouble, but I hope it's not too late to set things right.

Let's see, we could move the capital to...

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» RE: welcome back Posted by: benzene
HOW HOT?
Posted by: skizum on Apr 8, 2008 5:17 AM   
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It’s true that a solid core of political players have been recycled since the mid 60’s and we have not paid much attention to it. In part, because the country had gone through a cleansing process which yielded strides in civil rights, extricating ourselves form a war of choice, women’s rights, environmental regulation and to a lesser extent, gay and lesbian rights. The peace and progressive movements had worked hard to overcome extreme repression and abusive dominance. Understandably, people were tired after these epic struggles to produce tangible ‘victories’.

Under increasingly less perceived repressive stress, compared to the mid 60’s, the following generations until now have continued to carry the slowing momentum forward. Simultaneously, our consumer society continuously provides an ever-increasing amount of distractions for us to independently purchase identity and acquire individualistic psychological security.

We have become the ‘me’ society where most of us fail to act with compassion towards one another. The focus of our individual, search for and realization of, identity has been turned outward to become increasingly influenced by the externally manipulated and idealized imagery of material success. The myriad of competing external influences has led us to become significantly distracted, segregated, complacent and fearful of facing the realities of our own human behavior.

I believe it’s time for us to start to courageously face the realities of the human condition; to take an honest look inward and understand what drives us humans to create the world as it is. Perhaps by doing so, we might learn to better recognize the roots of why we are fundamentally motivated to act, and to what degree we are willing to act in order to get what we want or stay off that which we do not want. Are wants driven by a deeper set of needs? Are these needs universal to us all anyway? Is it possible that we all can get what we need and want without relying purely on material consumption?

In any case, the world will continue to get hotter in many ways…the question is how badly will we get burned before we stop reaching towards the fire? Learning hot is the basis of our ability to exercise good risk taking judgment. Experiencing the consequences of various degrees of ‘hot’ develops our first ideas about security.

In order to increase the chances of improving our world, we need to develop the motivational will to unite and act; I hope this is not forced upon us by survival. There are many things we can all do to initiate this process, the first thing is to come clean and face our own worlds as they truly are.

We need to learn to communicate with the objective of understanding someone else’s perspective. This might give us some practice ‘letting go’ of some deeply entrenched beliefs thus allowing ourselves the freedom to open our own perspectives to mutual benefit. This would require that we also learn to stop lying to manipulate situations or avoid confrontations.

It's time to build our own ideal societies at home, work, in the neighborhood and anywhere else we interact with each other; spending more time face to face with each other laying out our deepest issues of desire in straight-forward honest terms. Practicing sharing these types of experiences is a viable path to creating a more perfect union. Start at home and create an environment where good practices can be experimented with, learned and shared…try actually living your ideals.

Right now many of us are caught up in the game of wearing noble words like suits that conceal our sweat stained preconceived desires. We are isolated from each other by ideas; let's unite around ideas that have a commonly shared truth for us all.

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» RE: HOW HOT? Posted by: Lauren
The end is near, and we all know it
Posted by: Farasien on Apr 8, 2008 5:40 AM   
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We, the lemmings of the former USA have a prevading sense that something has happened, something world-changing, and know its eventual outcome. If you look aroud at things at this moment in history, you can see that people know something big has happened, even if they don't really have the definitions for it. Its obvious in our prevading nhilistic policies and rampant all-out race to the bottom on virtually every front. To me it seems that people don't, deep down, believe that the world is going to get better. In fact, most seem to be betting that it won't. Instead, or so it seems over the last decade or so, most are trying to party themselves to death, hoping that the coming disasters will somehow pass them over, or if not, that they'll have so much of a hangover from the binge that they won't notice the pain of them. Its most obvious in the USA at the moment. People know the moral bankrupsy of the Oil War, know the ultra-rich (both the corporations AND the political elite) have sold us all down the river and are busy fighting over who gets the largest payout for the last remnants of the soul of the nation... But who cares! Whenever the corruption starts getting too obvious to hide, do people take to the streets? No. Do people demand a real change and back it with the threat of force? No. Do the lackwits in the media even bother to point it out? NO! What do we do, then? We turn on the Game and crack a beer. We delve a little deeper into American Idol. We go shopping at the mall. We immerse ourselves into the unending soap operas that prevade what we pathetically have come to call 'popular culture' and tune out. There is no single generation to blame for this- young and old, black and white, men and women all are doing the same thing, and with the same end result.

Oh, there's a war going on? Two? Another on the way? Like, wow. The economy is about to collapse? Really? You don't say... Hey, did you hear who got kicked off on Idol last night? Who won the final four? Didja hear what Hillary or Obama or McCain said the other day? Hey, guess who just announced they're pregnant in Hollywood!

Vomit.

People are going to continue doing this until they are literally starving in the streets. Our appointed leaders have learned the lessons of statecraft from Cesar all too well. Give them blood and circuses until they die of it and you can do anything, LITERALLY anything, you want. The whores in DC have rigged the system such that almost nothing short of riots and almost full anarchy will dinsinfect them from the halls of power.

We deserve the coming hellstorm. We have the nation we really do want.

God damn us all.

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Suasponte
Posted by: Suasponte on Apr 8, 2008 5:44 AM   
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I look forward to obtaining a copy of this new book. Kevin Phillips, like so many Republicans (including me) headed for the exits when Reagan, the overrated slap-happy dunce, showed up to stooge for the Plutocrats with his own coterie of clowns. However, at least he was a bit smarter than the buffoon now in the White House.

Kevin's books are so thoroughly researched and accurate that no one but the shameless ultra-right deceivers like those found at Fox criticize his work but to no effect on any thoughtful, credentialed persons. Only the hopeless Dupes comprising the Fox and rightwinger radio talkers audience willingly and unquestionably and, as usual, mindlessly accept the bilge dumped on them.

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a draft and a war tax
Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 8, 2008 6:22 AM   
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Just implement those two things and people will REALLY pay attention!

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Change the system (part 1)...
Posted by: Sanford on Apr 8, 2008 6:28 AM   
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Farasien says:

We deserve the coming hellstorm. We have the nation we really do want.

God damn us all.


Well stated. In the article and the comments there's lots of hand wringing and description - no prescription. We have to DO something, we have to ACT. But we've become altogether too dumb and listless.

We blame the politicians, the rich, the special interests when all the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the people - the same people who send their corrupt and cowardly representatives back to Washington year after year.

The constitution aches for change. The people should be out in the streets demanding it.

These are the two most urgently needed changes to the present system:

1. Term limits for congress.

2. A fair, no exemption military draft (forget the national service alternative).

But other changes are sorely needed. Here are my suggestions for change (I'll post them in two parts):

1. Transparency in government to include (a) declassification of ALL official government records five years after the date of their origin (exact, uncensored and unaltered duplicates might be filed, at the time of their origin, with a special archivist and made readily available to the public after the five year period has expired) and (b) immediate and unrestricted access to all files, records and offices of any federal department (when expressly authorized by the full House) by a standing committee of five House members composed of three from the majority party, two from the minority, all of whom have been sworn not to divulge sensitive information.

2. Elimination of the electoral college allowing presidential elections to be decided directly by a majority of the popular vote.

3. Restriction on the number of times that a person may hold federal elective office. I'd hold it to two terms, period, with one exception permitted - a person who has held federal elective office for two terms could subsequently occupy the office of president for two terms. (I'd prefer, though a single six year term for president, no re-election).

4. Revision of the system for electing Senators so that, in so far as possible or practical, Senators would represent all the people, fairly and equally (each Senator would ideally represent the same number of people), through election by national or regional, rather than state, constituencies. This might prove the most difficult change to bring about, but perhaps the most important. Alternatively, each state might retain its two senators as prescribed by Article V, but Senators would have weighted votes based on their state's population. If all else fails, the Senate could be relieved of all real power.

5. Elimination of the unconscionable (and growing) disparity in the distribution of wealth. This would require an aggressive, vigorous policy of progressive taxation and absolute limitations on inheritance.

6. Elimination of primary elections for national office with candidates to be nominated by their political parties.

7. Supreme Court nominees (maybe candidates for all Federal judgeships) to be proposed by the House, vetted by the President and approved by the Senate. For example, the House might be allowed to propose five candidates, the President to select two of the five, and the Senate to approve one of the two (or to reject both in which case the process would begin again). Both the President and the Senate might be required to act within a certain time frame.

8. Equal television time for all major party candidates for Federal elective office.

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Change the system (part 2)
Posted by: Sanford on Apr 8, 2008 6:30 AM   
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9. Elimination of special privileges (perks) and "gifts" for all members of Congress. For example, members would be required to get their health care just as any member of the public or the most humble government employee gets theirs. Also, no special clubs or spas for members, no cut-rate dining rooms, etc.

10. Federal regulation of funding for public education that would insure equitable distribution of funds nationwide based solely on student enrollment.

11. A loop-hole free, hard-nosed and effective campaign finance law. This might require that the Supreme Court overturn its previous free speech ruling ("the Supreme Court's constitutional equation of money with "speech" - the logic that's warped our campaign finance rules since the famous 1976 case of Buckley vs.. Valeo": Mathew Miller), or that congress enact an imaginative law to circumvent its noxious effects.

12. Opportunity for the public to decide directly, perhaps every seven or twelve years, whether or not they would like to convene a constitutional convention for the purpose of revising or amending the constitution. The question might be placed simultaneously on the ballots of each of the states and might require approval by two thirds majority of the national electorate (not the states) to carry.

13. An exemption-free draft for all able-bodied citizens. No exemption for members of congress or White House staff. No exemption for college students (grossly unfair and discriminatory). No exemption, period, except for health or disability.

14. Legalization and strict governmental control of the sale and consumption of drugs.

Sanford Russell

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1973
Posted by: kungfoofighterx on Apr 8, 2008 7:02 AM   
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This country has been in an economic decline at the level of the individual since 1973. That is last year things went well for the average citizen in an adjusted earnings sense (if money can actually measure wellness even though it is highly correlated).

People talk about the decline of the USA. Lots of people have been talking about the decline in a great many things from morals to car sales. It is everywhere.
People talk about it. People talk about it a lot. It has been talked about since I was a child and I can remember watching talking heads on the black and white TV go about the decline.

Unfortunately, it is hard for those affected by the decline do anything about it. Votes dont mater in a national two party system while power is consolidate at the federal level. The party gets to pick who runs. Now the media gets to pick whatever candidates they want to show you. Thats a real blow to national democracy. The vast majority of people vote within the two parties. The two parties are very similar on almost every topic.

There is no lack of creativity. Unfortunately lately that creativity has been used to sucker and swindle money. Too many of our representatives have gone to jail because they applied their creativity towards selfish ends.

My real question. Are the citizens the ones who are in decline? And not along the wow the past was so much better thing. I mean a functional decline from the mind to the belly.

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That's right, never quit
Posted by: deepseas on Apr 8, 2008 9:45 AM   
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Here's my response to Farasien above:

Farasien...I feel the same way. I workout every weekday morning and run into the housewife brigade after the husbands and kids are off for the day. I'm a senior citizen, worked while raising my kids and glad these women are able to stay home with their children. But from the way they talk, they seem self-centered and unaware of reality around them. I realize not all mothers aren't this way. Fortunately, I grew up around different people.

The TV is turned to Fox News and I immediately change it to music. The conversation goes just like you said - American Idol, cosmetic surgery and celebrity weddings. When I point out the illegal war, the economy and other issues that directly affect us, they agree but quickly change the subject. They KNOW the situation is bad, but don't want to discuss a way out. As a liberal in a republican city, I'm a lone voice in the wilderness.

But life and knowing human nature says we can turn this mess around.

In my republican city, I make my rounds daily in and out of businesses and stores in this 9000 people town. Little by little, these republicans are beginning to almost hate Bush more than dems and liberals. Not for the same reasons we do, but because things haven't turned out as planned, and the economy is crashing around them. They feel they've been lied to. I tell them they have been.

Many of these people I talk with will not vote republican this time around. I share with them how I vote for the person, not the party. I share with them how important it is to consider the good of all, not just "what's in it for me." I share with them the horrors of the Iraqi occupation on the innocent people, not just our soldiers.

As the women in the fitness center start seeing their lives impacted by the economy, I know they will be more receptive to my conversations in time. It's just a matter of time.

Right now is an opportune time for us to open up talks with everyone we can. Talk about how the economy is hurting them, talk about the cost of the Iraq occupation in terms of our $$$ and lives lost, talk about how the radiation from bombs is traveling worldwide and destroy the planet, talk about the food crisis, and talk about foreclosures and debt. I give solutions to reduce spending, grow their food, demand the war stop, talk to others, and get involved. We don't have to sit here and take it.

We each can do something to turn this around by talking to everyone and giving solutions.

Never, ever give up.

Never, ever think you cannot make a difference.

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Greed and overpopulation on a finite planet
Posted by: leemiller38 on Apr 8, 2008 7:58 AM   
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It is not rocket science to figure out what is happening to us. It is the predictable result of a tool-making cultural species who spawled over the planet and devoured it for fame and glory in a nanosecond of geological time. If our political system appears ossified it is because we are in denial about the nature and cause of the problems. Overpopulation is the hidden hand that affects most of the deterioration in out environment and culture.

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US Has Already Declined
Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 8, 2008 8:28 AM   
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Our populace is not well educated. Our way of living is wasteful and destructive. We lead the world in production of weapons of mass destruction. We export war and death to other countries. We call ourselves religious, but we maim and kill other people and civilians to control oil resources. We are a debtor nation. Our currency does not compare well with other industrialized countries. Our commercial media is a propaganda machine. We won't obey the Geneva Conventions. We torture and imprison people with little evidence and no recongition of individual rights. Our government, our financial institutions and our businesses are corrupt. The only things that we have going for us are our Constitution, our Bill of Rights and a people who need to get mad enough at the state of things that they are willing to fight the establishment to make real changes. We can hide or we can persist in fighting until we restore reason in government and sane and sound fiscal,social and foreign policies. It's a southern thing but I hate to say uncle when there's a good fight to be fought.

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» RE: US Has Already Declined Posted by: oldumbo
» Quakers, too...? Posted by: mjabele
if you're NOT IN the GAME, its RUDE to point out what's in play...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 8, 2008 9:14 AM   
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right?

only RUDE people point out that 'there's something happening here'...

hush now!

wouldn't want someone to point out that you're un-American for pointing out the obvious...

go back to sleep, nothing to see here!

if you had *any idea* how many times ThisCanadian is called a 'fucking Canadian' & to 'go back where you came from' or 'mind your own fucking business, you filthy socialist!'

I once has someone scream at me ... at a beach-side wedding reception... for absentmindedly mentioning David Suzuki while staring at the ocean...

...called me a "filthy hippie terrorist"... which kinda sucks when you're a pacifist & the Matron of Honour ...& the screamer is the Bride's mother...

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Kevin Phillips, thy name is Cassandra
Posted by: Elmo409 on Apr 8, 2008 9:24 AM   
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Judging from his previous books -- Wealth and Democracy and American Theocracy -- it is evident to me that Kevin Phillips is spot on and ignored by all.

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The way out for Congress
Posted by: motamanx on Apr 8, 2008 9:44 AM   
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The way out for Congress is not to grill General Petraus. It is to summarily impeach Mr. Bush and/or Mr Cheney. Otherwise, the people of the United States will finally understand that the the whole thing is crooked, and vote THEM ALL out of office.

It does not matter at all if there "isn't time" for impeachment. Justice should be perceived to be done.

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» RE: The way out for Congress Posted by: Sanford
Yes, it is.
Posted by: audiodef on Apr 8, 2008 10:36 AM   
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"Is our political system too far gone to even discuss the predicaments of the volatile dollar, run-amok debt and Middle East disasters?"

Yes.

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Coffin corner?
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 8, 2008 10:47 AM   
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UNANSWERED question: What will the Fed do after it lowers interest rates to ZERO percent and the economy still doesn't improve?

In aviation, test pilots call that kind of situation a "coffin corner," meaning recovery may not be possible without crashing.

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» Playing Monopoly Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Playing Monopoly Posted by: e rice
» RE: Coffin corner? Posted by: buzzsaw
The "nonexistent" Center and the parliamentary-democratic stalemate.
Posted by: Coleman on Apr 8, 2008 5:03 PM   
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"What is to be done?"

A broad Left coalition - not part of the Democratic party - is needed. To suggest that we can change things without "political parties" is to stay inside the hole and keep on digging. We need organization. The internet generation needs to understand that we cannot purchase social change as a consumer product, and we cannot fantasize it into existence, no matter how pumped we feel after walking out of Michael Moore's latest movie.

What, at its essence, is a political party, anyway? It's a group of people fighting for a political goal. The "Democrats" and the "Republicans" are really stagnating ruling bureaucracies, they are the government, and they're beholden to capital. We need a new party, a new group interested in sane governance and social justice.

An underlying message in this article is that the two parties represent, truly respond to, the interests of a small segment of the population. The non-voting and unaffiliated majority (majority!) do not occupy a political "center" between the parties' narrow differences. The majority don't live in Washington, D.C.

It's time for serious questions and discipline. Progressives, small-d democrats, socialists, populists, really anyone interested in the democratic re-regulation of the economy and a sane, non-paranoid governance, need a new political party. A social-democratic party allied with Europe and Latin America.

Do we spoil the presidential election for Obama or whoever? Not necessarily, because the new political party should do what the Republicans did after 1968: occupy territory, get on City Council, get on school boards, etc.

The bottom line is organization. The elites have it, we need it. Just an idea.

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» A new party... Posted by: Sanford
IF America Declines?
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Apr 8, 2008 5:58 PM   
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Phillips is right, as usual, except for the word "if" in the title. America has clearly and precipitously declined since Bush's coronation by the Supreme Court in 2000. We face an unprecedented combination of economic, military, constitutional, environmental, foreign relations and health care catastrophes, all created by misguided, even delusional thinking. The most recent poll I've seen shows 81% thinking the country is headed in the wrong direction. The remaining 19% surely consists of psychotics, severe alcoholics and drug addicts, comatose people and fundamentalist Christians.

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"If?"
Posted by: Mexitli on Apr 9, 2008 8:46 AM   
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You mean when.

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» i think YOU mean 'as' Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
America's Republic has already declined to Empire and ...
Posted by: amacd on Apr 9, 2008 7:01 PM   
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America's Republic has already declined to Empire and nobody whispers a word.

Empire is the real taboo in America --- far more taboo than 'Israel Lobby'.

The 'corporatist Empire' that actually rules America is the ruling-elite before which all lobbies are mere supplicants.

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