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Truck Drivers Block Freeway Traffic Across the U.S. to Protest Soaring Fuel Prices
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Then, on April 1, in a wave of defiance, truck drivers began taking the strongest form of action they can take: inaction. Faced with $4-per-gallon diesel fuel, they slowed down, shut down and started honking. On the New Jersey Turnpike, a convoy of trucks stretching "as far as the eye can see," according to a turnpike spokesman, drove at a glacial 20 miles per hour.
Outside of Chicago, they slowed and drove three abreast, blocking traffic and taking arrests. They jammed into Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; they slowed down the Port of Tampa, where fifty rigs sat idle in protest. Near Buffalo, one driver told the press he was taking the week off "to pray for the economy."
The truckers who organized the protests -- by CB radio and Internet -- have a specific goal: reducing the price of diesel fuel. They are owner-operators, meaning they are also businesspeople, and they can't break even with current fuel costs. They want the government to release its fuel reserves. They want an investigation into oil company profits and government subsidies of the oil companies. Of the drivers I talked to, all were acutely aware that the government had found, in the course of a weekend, $30 billion to bail out Bear Stearns, while their own businesses are in a tailspin.
But the truckers' protests have ramifications far beyond the owner-operators' plight -- first, because trucking is hardly a marginal business. You may imagine, here in the blogosphere, that everything important travels at the speed of pixels bouncing off of satellites, but 70 percent of the nation's goods -- from Cheerios to Chapstick -- travel by truck. We were able to survive a writers' strike, but a trucking strike would affect a lot more than your viewing options. As Donald Hayden, a Maine trucker put it to me: "If all the truckers decide to shut this country down, there's going to be nothing they can do about it."
More importantly, the activist truckers understand their protest to be part of a larger effort to "take back America," as one put it to me. "We continue to maintain this is not just about us," JB -- which is his CB handle and stands for the "Jake Brake" on large rigs -- told me from a rest stop in Virginia on his way to Florida. "It's about everybody -- the homeowners, the construction workers, the elderly people who can't afford their heating bills... This is not the action of the truck drivers, but of the people." Hayden mentions his parents, ages and 81 and 76, who've fought the Maine winter on a fixed income. Missouri-based driver Dan Little sees stores shutting down in his little town of Carrollton. "We're Americans," he tells me, "We built this country, and I'll be damned if I'm going to lie down and take this."
At least one of the truckers' tactics may be translatable to the foreclosure crisis. On March 29, Hayden surrendered three rigs to be repossessed by Daimler-Chrysler -- only he did it publicly, with flair, right in front of the statehouse in Augusta. "Repossession is something people don't usually see," he says, and he wanted the state legislature to take notice. As he took the keys, the representative of Daimler-Chrysler said, according to Hayden, "I don't see why you couldn't make the payments." To which Hayden responded, "See, I have to pay for fuel and food, and I've eaten too many meals in my life to give that up."
Suppose homeowners were to start making their foreclosures into public events -- inviting the neighbors and the press, at least getting someone to camcord the children sitting disconsolately on the steps and the furniture spread out on the lawn. Maybe, for a nice dramatic touch, have the neighbors shower the bankers, when they arrive, with dollar bills and loose change, since those bankers never can seem to get enough.
But the larger message of the truckers' protest is about pride or, more humbly put, self-respect, which these men channel from their roots. Dan Little tells me, "My granddad said, and he was the smartest man I ever knew, 'If you don't stand up for yourself, ain't nobody gonna stand up for you.'" Go to TheAmericanDriver.com, run by JB and his brother in Texas, where you're greeted by a giant American flag, and you'll find -- among the driving tips, weather info, and drivers' favorite photos -- the entire Constitution and Declaration of Independence. "The last time we faced something as impacting on us," JB tells me, "There was a revolution."
The actions of the first week in April were just the beginning. There's talk of a protest in Indiana on April 18, another in New York City, and a giant convergence of trucks on DC on April 28. Who knows what it will all add up to? Already, according to JB, some of the big trucking companies are threatening to fire any of their employees who join the owner-operators' protests.
But at least we have one shining example of defiance of the face of economic assault. There comes a point, sooner or later, when you stop scrambling around on all fours and, like JB and his fellow drivers all over the country, you finally stand up.
If you would like to help support the truckers in any way, go to Truckers and Citizens United.com.
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Posted by: compu on Apr 8, 2008 1:04 AM
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in Miami not long ago.
It was them who did listen to the wqba,and
radio mambi,the Miami noise machine equivalent.
All they voted GOP,and then want cheap oil?
The same the rest of the country,those truckers
are nascar,nra,and xtrians,they deserved all
this,they earned it well.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 8, 2008 1:04 AM
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Put the stuff on the trains where it belongs.
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» 'I'd say most aren't really shining examples of advanced hominid thinking.'
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Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Apr 8, 2008 2:15 AM
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I've come to see that progressives are no friends of working people. They are a faction aimed at supporting the interests of the upper-middle class, whereas the Republicans are the faction in support of the wealthy. It's a power struggle between these two groups, the latter feeling always entitled, and the former feeling thwarted in recent decades.
For the working class and lower-middle class to identify the progressive cause with their self-interest is no less an instance of false consciousness than such people identifying with the Republican Party. Progressives can whine that, "Oh, it's just a few so-called progressives who have that snarky attitude toward non-elites," then accuse me of grabbing a few offensive comments to smear the cause of progressivism altogether.
I say bullshit to such a defense. This attitude is all too common among progressives for me to give the progressive movement any credibility on labor and class issues.
May the progressive movement rot!
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» How clever.
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» The laborist conservatives are out of the closet
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» Feeling screwed by the system is a nascent form of class consciousness.
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Posted by: Kafwood on Apr 8, 2008 3:43 AM
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Aren't we all trying to hang on to life as we know it? Truckers want to keep trucking; progressives want to keep their phones untapped and their prospects a comfy shade of green.
But things are changing. This will become more apparent as the country works its way through the labyrinth of social and economic decline in progress. Blaming each other ain't gonna solve the problems before us and is the social equivalent of bumping into blocked walls - the larger issue is getting out of the maze altogether.
Relocalize food, energy and services...now!
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Posted by: Babygoat on Apr 8, 2008 3:51 AM
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turn off your engines and take a break.
The mega industrial complexes, the very wealthy CEO's and "Wal-Mart" types refusing worker's the rights to form uniions, etc...Hey, the country doesn't move if the trucks don't move...
and this country needs to move!-do a u-turn!- and come back home! Everybody just slow down and think about it. DON'T BLAME THE TRUCKERS! EVERY REVOLUTION STARTS WITH THE UNDERDOG GETTING RIPPED OFF - TICKED OFF- AND LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD.
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» This is true of many drivers of all vehicles: trucks, SUVs, cars, minivans etc.
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Posted by: xvictor on Apr 8, 2008 4:33 AM
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I live in New York City and this is one of the very few major metropolitan areas that doesn't have an established freight train service in the city. It's a big reason why there is so much traffic congestion due to the overwhelming numbers of trucks roaring down the streets here. Giuliani, when he was mayor, spoke about a need for freight train service in the city. He spoke about it for maybe two days and that was that. 99% of the time he wasted his time and efforts in a vain attempt to move Yankee Stadium to Manhattan. Some mayor. He deserved to have lost the primaries.
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Posted by: BBurney on Apr 8, 2008 5:46 AM
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But labels and the concepts they represent, while interesting, are relatively inconsequential compared to what these truckers are showing the rest of us, which is that a country whose economy depends so heavily on the movement and consumption of goods and products can be handily brought to its knees when the "cells" that move in the blood and through the veins of the nation, its interstate system, decide to form clots.
The truckers are demonstrating that the PEOPLE of the country ARE still in control of its destiny, perhaps less as informed citizens and more as informed consumers, but that doesn't make it any less of a core truth.
As dangerous and chaotic as a consumer revolution could become in terms of jobs, etc., it could achieve serious changes quickly if well organized. Inadvertently or not, the actions of the truckers are pointing in that direction. This is now the American citizen's most potent form of nonviolent protest and it is time to begin exercising that power.
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Posted by: ebishirl on Apr 8, 2008 6:13 AM
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Outside the U.S., you'll also find free or low-cost higher education, six to eight weeks of paid vacation a year, paid maternity leave, paid paternity leave, paid "special needs" (family emergencies, etc.) leave, efficient public transportation systems (so the rest of the family doesn't need a car and $4.50-per-gallon gas) and much much more.
All the above is sorely lacking in the U.S., which explains why "the rest of the world gets by" much more easily than truckers and other working-class/middle-class folks here.
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Posted by: aussidawg on Apr 8, 2008 6:15 AM
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In my opinion at least, I think we owe these guys a bit of gratitude. Sure, the initial reason they are striking is that the cost of diesel is affecting them directly. To give you an idea of how much the fuel costs are affecting them, I saw a local news interview with several truckers at a truck stop outside of San Antonio and all of them said they were payng out more than $10,000 per month for diesel. As a result, most said they were having to take care of all of their maintainance personally and having to cut corners everywhere possible, and most said they were still losing money. These fuel costs also hit us as the truckers have to pass on some (no...not all) of the additional costs to us, the consumers. Look, I realize that slowing traffic may be inconvenient, but these guys have to make a living to feed their families and pay their bills just like the rest of us. Many independant truckers operate on a contract basis, meaning they negotiate a contract to move a product for a certain number of months for a given cost. If fuel prices rise past the point where they break even on trucking these products under contract, they lose money as they are oblligated to honor the contract regardless of inncreased costs. Instead of complaining, try to put yoursef in their position.
While we as consumers are being gouged both at the pump and at home through the cost of heating oil, Preznit Bu$h is giving the big oil companies, who by the way are setting new profit records every quarter, a $15+ billion break on royalties that they should be paying for drilling on public lands (Congress recently introduced a bill that would eliminate this, however Bu$h said he woud veto it if passed in both the House and Senate.) About all you and I can do is sit here at our computers and bitch about this gross injustice, or write our representatives (LOL) which obviously doesn't catch the attention of many of them. The truckers however, who move about 90% of the products in this country, can most certainly get the attention of these beloved public servants. Not only does it stop the delivery of the products we use daily, it gets others besides the truckers pissed off and therefore more likely to take individual action to encourage action to curb the abuses by big oil and may even help encourage our government to stop giving these crooks corporate welfare by eliminating the tax breaks they currently receive.
To characterize all truckers as fools who sit behind the wheel all day listening to Rush Limbaugh is like characterizing all progressives as chronic South Park addicts...it just isn't that way! These guys are simply business people trying to get by from day to day, just like you and I. Their protests are a very effective first step toward curbing the abuse by big oil and cutting the welfare being given to them...so maybe we should be thanking the trucking industry for helping al of us rather than complaining about them protesting fuel costs so they can make a decent living.
Finally, lot of companies, such as some of the large grocery chains, own their own trucking fleets. In this particular instance, the increased costs of diesel go entirely to us as consumers. This ripple effect is already hitting, at least in my area, by MUCH HIGHER grocery costs. If the trucking strike helps force the price of fuel down, we will all benefit through lower food costs as well as costs elsewhere.
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Posted by: toddcory on Apr 8, 2008 6:45 AM
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Truckers, get a clue. Energy prices are NOT going to come down. Get a more efficient rig, drive slower, or get another vocation. Same goes for the airlines.
The good news is you CAN mitigate the impacts from depleting fossil fuels and other non-renewable commodities by becoming super efficient. That means reducing your waste and unconscious consumption and becoming lean and green. Super insulate your home, close off unused rooms, upgrade to more efficient appliances, take mass transit/carpool/drive a small efficient vehicle, grow a garden, plant an orchard. Be the change you wish to see in the world!
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» Its about justice
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 8, 2008 6:47 AM
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» RE: Correct Redstar! The job market is far worse than reported.
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Posted by: sausage on Apr 8, 2008 7:06 AM
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Where I was on April 1, the Rio Grande Valley of Texas a heavily automobile-dependent area, nothing changed. Trucks jammed the highways, byways and city streets like any other day. A real job-action could have resulted in chaos along Expressway 83, the traffic clogged main artery of The Valley, but traffic moved along normally, in other words fast.
Donald Hayden, quoted in the essay, is right, truckers could shut down the country. However the operative word in the quotation cited is "If". In this Randian-free market hell we Americans have created for ourselves in the last forty years there will always be Quislings and scabs who will backstab their brothers and sisters for a few extra dimes. There can never be solidarity of action among a group of rugged individualists who've drunk deeply from the fountainhead of Ayn Rand's bogus mythology.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 8, 2008 8:16 AM
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P.S.: For anyone riding a diesel powered vehicle, you can fill it with cooking oil, honest.
Fill your tank with vegetable oil - MSN Money
Make your own biodiesel
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Posted by: Grey666 on Apr 8, 2008 8:41 AM
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Do you honestly think you own the highways, so you can go on vacation twice a year to Disneyland?
The taxes on diesel and gasoline pay for the highways.
The truckers are on the road 6-7 days a week, delivering goods across the nation. And now gas prices are wiping out independent truckers - those who worked hard for years and saved to buy their own rigs.
It's downright madness. And if you can't purchase toilet paper next week in the grocery store, then you deserve it.
I've had some pretty damn good trucker friends over the years, and these people work as hard or harder than anyone.
I stand behind the truckers 110%. In fact, they make me proud - always have. Good luck to the truckers, I hope you get somewhere.
Exxon - 38 billion dollar profits... 18 billion in tax credits, now what's that about? If this makes sense to you, then your a damn monkey.
The top 5 gas producers made over 100 billion in profits last year... and truckers are paying $4/gallon of diesel? Does this honestly make sense?
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 8, 2008 8:49 AM
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Posted by: wheresarah on Apr 8, 2008 9:02 AM
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I realize this is about much more than food, but it's just an example. We are far too wasteful and polluting. Perhaps we should choose our battles more wisely and start only trucking cross-country those things we really need to be trucked cross-country.
What can I say, I'm a hopeless optimist.
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Posted by: JoeZ on Apr 8, 2008 9:33 AM
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The complete mismanagement of our nation's finances has resulted in a weakened dollar. As a result we have to pay more for all imported goods - and we import a large percentage of the oil that we use.
Crude oil production has not increased for a number of years, while demand in the US, Europe, and the developing countries of Asia has increased. The only thing preventing shortages has been the worlds poorest countries getting priced out of the market for petroleum products.
Protests against the high cost of diesel fuel are unlikely to help their situation, except to temporarily reduce the taxes on fuel.
The increasing cost of fuel will make more and more trucking uneconomic. This is not surprising because shipping goods by truck is not energy efficient. Shipping goods by rail is much more so, but rail lines need to be extended and rebuilt to reach more areas.
As energy becomes more scarce and fuel prices rise, hopefully we can undertake the project of rebuilding the nations rails before we get priced out of the market for petroleum products.
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Posted by: phatkhat on Apr 8, 2008 9:38 AM
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In other words, the world of American trucking is simply a microcosm of the rest of America.
My husband was an owner-operator leased to a company until a few months ago. Freight was slow, fuel was high, and he couldn't get enough miles to make a living. You can be a good businessperson and still go broke. We were careful, frugal, and he stayed out weeks at a time. But without enough miles (you are paid by miles, and then by HHG miles, not "hub" miles (actual miles), and HHG is usually about 10-15% less. In essence you drive a lot for free.
For the guys who find their own freight, it can be even harder. They don't get paid for any deadhead (empty) miles. If you have to drive 300 miles to pick up your next load, it's on you. Most rigs get around 6 mpg, so that is a lot of money you are not recouping.
As to safety issues, yes, there are some aggressive drivers out there. ("Billy BigRiggers" is what they are called.) But most drivers are very careful. And if a lot of fatalities involve big trucks, it is not necessarily a causal relationship. I think you will find that statistics show that in most cases, the 4-wheeler (passenger vehicle) was at fault. Don't drive in a blind spot for the trucker, don't expect them to stop on a dime, and yield when they have the right of way!
Oh, and truckers can be some of the most generous people alive - even when they don't have much, themselves.
I am proud of my trucker husband (who has a college degree, and is a progressive), and I am proud of these guys who are protesting. Shame on the elitists here who are blowing it out of their backsides.
And BTW, those who advocate a return to rail transport will find many truckers supportive of that, as well. But the rail system is NOT what it used to be, and we cannot depend on it for all the transportation needs of the country.
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Posted by: SteveO on Apr 8, 2008 10:06 AM
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So what do you expect the government to do for you? You have elected people who think you should be able to "drown the government in a bathtub". Do you want price controls? That worked well for the Russians didn't it. How about elimination of the fuel tax? Great! That will save you a giant 18.4 cents per gallon. Open strategic petroleum reserves? That will be gone within a year, then what?
Regan told us "the American way of life is non negotiable". We have been dumb enough to believe that. We could have changed slowly over the last 30 years. Now we are going to have to change all at once.
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Posted by: DocKunda on Apr 8, 2008 12:01 PM
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If large commercial companies in cohoots with teamsters union are shipping at below cost to drive under the independents, then they should be investigated under antitrust and maybe even Rico laws.
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Posted by: EJW on Apr 8, 2008 1:49 PM
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The article wasn't about whether or not independent truckers are good guys or bad, whether or not they own the roads, if hauling by rail is a better option or any other side issue.
Please, please stick to the point, to do otherwise only shows ignorance.
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Posted by: tornadorider2002 on Apr 8, 2008 4:18 PM
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I remember taking a philosophy class in college back in the 1980s, and the professor said that, despite any wrongs done to Americans, we won't fight back because as long as we have our homes with television and beer inside, and our trucks and cars parked out front, we are placated and afraid of upsetting the status quo.
He said, when Americans start losing their homes, televisions, creature comforts and that truck out front, is when we'll see the beginnings of the next civil revolution.
Stay tuned, folks.....while you can.
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Posted by: Longdream on Apr 8, 2008 5:19 PM
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I want railways in this country the way they used to be, so we can go by rail where we want, stopping close to where we need to stop, on decent tracks, in good trains. I AM TOLD THIS IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. ALL THE TRACK HAS FALLEN INTO DISREPAIR OVER THE THIRTY YEARS WE HAVEN'T HAD TRAINS.
I want freight trains to have passenger cars, so we can travel anywhere our trains go. I AM TOLD THAT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. THE TRACKS ARE A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRACK, AND THEY CANNOT BE REPLACED.
I go to Washington DC by train often. I go to Santa Fe by train at least once a year. I go to Chicago by train whenever I feel like it--it's my favorite city outside of NYC where I was born and raised. I go to NYC every couple of weeks. I LOVE TRAIN TRAVEL! I want to go to Grinnell, Iowa and San Bernardino, California, and Clearwater, Florida by train. I want to revive all those railway stations in all the towns that are now used as craft shops and galleries and restaurants. I want to travel my country by train, for business and pleasure.
Why are we putting up with being told that repairing the railways and having trains just as good as European systems is IMPOSSIBLE?? The airlines are going bust. Now is the time.
PRESIDENT OBAMA! BRING BACK THE TRAINS!
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on Apr 8, 2008 5:40 PM
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How thoughtless these truckies are!
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Posted by: tjg1984 on Apr 8, 2008 6:56 PM
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-"You can take my house..." - Didn't Alternet feature a story about people trashing houses before leaving them? And aren't many of these people responsible for their own foreclosures because they chose houses larger than they could really afford?
-"Take my job..." - If by "slink off somewhere" you mean place a burden on government programs, protest very vocally, and/or commit crimes... there is a definite cost to higher unemployment; I don't think the government desires it, even if they do place a higher priority on bleeding the economy to pay for war. Perhaps we could increase employment by getting rid of some of the bureaucratic hoops through which prospective job-creators must jump.
-"...and take my health insurance, too..." - It seems to me that whether they are insured or uninsured, and no matter what kinds of poor health decisions and frivolous purchases they make (often exceeding the cost of a health insurance plan), a significant portion of the American population has been complaining for some time about not having all of their healthcare needs provided for by the government at the expense of others.
So Americans have said and done a lot of things in response to their perception of the economic situation; the problem is that much of it has not been constructive.
With regard to the truckers: I understand that they play an important role in our economy. If they no longer wish to drive their trucks, or cannot afford to, they can and should stop, and the rest of the country will notice. However, obstructing those who are still willing and able to operate their vehicles is unethical, even if the government and/or the oil companies are also behaving in an unethical way (and they likely are).
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Posted by: chlamor on Apr 8, 2008 6:59 PM
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My thoughts are that the truckers need to head to DC and shut the city down. That would be very easy with a few hundred trucks jamming up a few of the spokes on the concentric design that is the D.C. layout.
In addition let us all draw attention to how these things are connected to the US War Machine (how much diesel fuel is used in Iraq each day- and all of the sundry military operations and exercises?) and to the numerous other financial burdens placed on us all.
A one-shot affair is not enough and the ills that are pressing the truckers at present are heading towards us all if not already upon you.
Stop being polite people. Get off your computer and into the streets. Make demands. Be stubborn.
And get with these truckers and other allies in solidarity.
We have all been thrown under the bus by Congress- K St.- The Pentagon and the entire political apparatus of the US. No election will change this fact.
Again.
What can we do to help?
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Posted by: georgiaorwell on Apr 9, 2008 6:43 AM
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Why isn't every person in the country picketing Congress and the WH? The economy is in the tank, the war is a big lie, healthcare is in a shambles, society is commiting every kind of sick act, and people have become so weak-kneed and apathetic = pathetic. Where are the protests? Where is the outrage? Everyone should be demonstrating about China and its human rights' violations in addition to the human rights' violations going on here.
In the end, it will be on the people of America who were too weak-willed to stand up and find their voices. You reap what you sow.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Apr 9, 2008 1:08 PM
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and they say we don't have inflation!
food prices are going through the roof... fuel/energy prices are rising as fast...
the oceans have no fish...
freshwater is disappearing faster than oil...
and the planet can't grow the food we need to survive!
thanx BushCo...
a mighty fine leadership/stewardship/presidency you've had...
bahhhhh... hang the asshats... all of em!
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on Apr 12, 2008 6:48 PM
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And then there's Sen. Byron Dorgan, who dragged that Peters bitch, what's her name, Mary head of the Federal Motor Safety etc, Commission--in front of the Senate last month, to explain to her YET AGAIN why Mexican trucks shouldn't be allowed past the 50-mile limit, to take work away from American truckers?
That's why all this is happening, I think. Since the deadly enemies of America were allowed to take over this country 8 years ago, things have gotten steadily worse. Just as an example, it's well known now that Bush lied us into an endless war in Iraq--a country as innocent of 9/11 as if it were Belgium--and yet we are told by our elected representatives, when we bring up the subject of Bush/Cheney's well-deserved impeachment, words to the effect of: "A-w-w-w-w...what for?
Bush is almost gone--WHAT MORE HARM CAN HE DO??" 70,000/bbl OIL A DAY, more harm is what Bush can AND WILL do. How much oil is that, kept off the market from now until Election Day this year? No wonder Bush goes before Congress asking TO INCREASE THE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE OIL RESERVES...! What more harm can he do? LOL! ROTFLMAO!!!
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Posted by: compu on Apr 8, 2008 1:04 AM
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in Miami not long ago.
It was them who did listen to the wqba,and
radio mambi,the Miami noise machine equivalent.
All they voted GOP,and then want cheap oil?
The same the rest of the country,those truckers
are nascar,nra,and xtrians,they deserved all
this,they earned it well.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 8, 2008 1:04 AM
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Put the stuff on the trains where it belongs.
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Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Apr 8, 2008 2:15 AM
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I've come to see that progressives are no friends of working people. They are a faction aimed at supporting the interests of the upper-middle class, whereas the Republicans are the faction in support of the wealthy. It's a power struggle between these two groups, the latter feeling always entitled, and the former feeling thwarted in recent decades.
For the working class and lower-middle class to identify the progressive cause with their self-interest is no less an instance of false consciousness than such people identifying with the Republican Party. Progressives can whine that, "Oh, it's just a few so-called progressives who have that snarky attitude toward non-elites," then accuse me of grabbing a few offensive comments to smear the cause of progressivism altogether.
I say bullshit to such a defense. This attitude is all too common among progressives for me to give the progressive movement any credibility on labor and class issues.
May the progressive movement rot!
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Posted by: Kafwood on Apr 8, 2008 3:43 AM
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Aren't we all trying to hang on to life as we know it? Truckers want to keep trucking; progressives want to keep their phones untapped and their prospects a comfy shade of green.
But things are changing. This will become more apparent as the country works its way through the labyrinth of social and economic decline in progress. Blaming each other ain't gonna solve the problems before us and is the social equivalent of bumping into blocked walls - the larger issue is getting out of the maze altogether.
Relocalize food, energy and services...now!
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Posted by: Babygoat on Apr 8, 2008 3:51 AM
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turn off your engines and take a break.
The mega industrial complexes, the very wealthy CEO's and "Wal-Mart" types refusing worker's the rights to form uniions, etc...Hey, the country doesn't move if the trucks don't move...
and this country needs to move!-do a u-turn!- and come back home! Everybody just slow down and think about it. DON'T BLAME THE TRUCKERS! EVERY REVOLUTION STARTS WITH THE UNDERDOG GETTING RIPPED OFF - TICKED OFF- AND LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD.
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 8, 2008 4:30 AM
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Posted by: xvictor on Apr 8, 2008 4:33 AM
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I live in New York City and this is one of the very few major metropolitan areas that doesn't have an established freight train service in the city. It's a big reason why there is so much traffic congestion due to the overwhelming numbers of trucks roaring down the streets here. Giuliani, when he was mayor, spoke about a need for freight train service in the city. He spoke about it for maybe two days and that was that. 99% of the time he wasted his time and efforts in a vain attempt to move Yankee Stadium to Manhattan. Some mayor. He deserved to have lost the primaries.
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Posted by: BBurney on Apr 8, 2008 5:46 AM
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But labels and the concepts they represent, while interesting, are relatively inconsequential compared to what these truckers are showing the rest of us, which is that a country whose economy depends so heavily on the movement and consumption of goods and products can be handily brought to its knees when the "cells" that move in the blood and through the veins of the nation, its interstate system, decide to form clots.
The truckers are demonstrating that the PEOPLE of the country ARE still in control of its destiny, perhaps less as informed citizens and more as informed consumers, but that doesn't make it any less of a core truth.
As dangerous and chaotic as a consumer revolution could become in terms of jobs, etc., it could achieve serious changes quickly if well organized. Inadvertently or not, the actions of the truckers are pointing in that direction. This is now the American citizen's most potent form of nonviolent protest and it is time to begin exercising that power.
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Posted by: ebishirl on Apr 8, 2008 6:13 AM
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Outside the U.S., you'll also find free or low-cost higher education, six to eight weeks of paid vacation a year, paid maternity leave, paid paternity leave, paid "special needs" (family emergencies, etc.) leave, efficient public transportation systems (so the rest of the family doesn't need a car and $4.50-per-gallon gas) and much much more.
All the above is sorely lacking in the U.S., which explains why "the rest of the world gets by" much more easily than truckers and other working-class/middle-class folks here.
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Posted by: aussidawg on Apr 8, 2008 6:15 AM
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In my opinion at least, I think we owe these guys a bit of gratitude. Sure, the initial reason they are striking is that the cost of diesel is affecting them directly. To give you an idea of how much the fuel costs are affecting them, I saw a local news interview with several truckers at a truck stop outside of San Antonio and all of them said they were payng out more than $10,000 per month for diesel. As a result, most said they were having to take care of all of their maintainance personally and having to cut corners everywhere possible, and most said they were still losing money. These fuel costs also hit us as the truckers have to pass on some (no...not all) of the additional costs to us, the consumers. Look, I realize that slowing traffic may be inconvenient, but these guys have to make a living to feed their families and pay their bills just like the rest of us. Many independant truckers operate on a contract basis, meaning they negotiate a contract to move a product for a certain number of months for a given cost. If fuel prices rise past the point where they break even on trucking these products under contract, they lose money as they are oblligated to honor the contract regardless of inncreased costs. Instead of complaining, try to put yoursef in their position.
While we as consumers are being gouged both at the pump and at home through the cost of heating oil, Preznit Bu$h is giving the big oil companies, who by the way are setting new profit records every quarter, a $15+ billion break on royalties that they should be paying for drilling on public lands (Congress recently introduced a bill that would eliminate this, however Bu$h said he woud veto it if passed in both the House and Senate.) About all you and I can do is sit here at our computers and bitch about this gross injustice, or write our representatives (LOL) which obviously doesn't catch the attention of many of them. The truckers however, who move about 90% of the products in this country, can most certainly get the attention of these beloved public servants. Not only does it stop the delivery of the products we use daily, it gets others besides the truckers pissed off and therefore more likely to take individual action to encourage action to curb the abuses by big oil and may even help encourage our government to stop giving these crooks corporate welfare by eliminating the tax breaks they currently receive.
To characterize all truckers as fools who sit behind the wheel all day listening to Rush Limbaugh is like characterizing all progressives as chronic South Park addicts...it just isn't that way! These guys are simply business people trying to get by from day to day, just like you and I. Their protests are a very effective first step toward curbing the abuse by big oil and cutting the welfare being given to them...so maybe we should be thanking the trucking industry for helping al of us rather than complaining about them protesting fuel costs so they can make a decent living.
Finally, lot of companies, such as some of the large grocery chains, own their own trucking fleets. In this particular instance, the increased costs of diesel go entirely to us as consumers. This ripple effect is already hitting, at least in my area, by MUCH HIGHER grocery costs. If the trucking strike helps force the price of fuel down, we will all benefit through lower food costs as well as costs elsewhere.
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Posted by: toddcory on Apr 8, 2008 6:45 AM
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Truckers, get a clue. Energy prices are NOT going to come down. Get a more efficient rig, drive slower, or get another vocation. Same goes for the airlines.
The good news is you CAN mitigate the impacts from depleting fossil fuels and other non-renewable commodities by becoming super efficient. That means reducing your waste and unconscious consumption and becoming lean and green. Super insulate your home, close off unused rooms, upgrade to more efficient appliances, take mass transit/carpool/drive a small efficient vehicle, grow a garden, plant an orchard. Be the change you wish to see in the world!
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Posted by: sausage on Apr 8, 2008 7:06 AM
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Where I was on April 1, the Rio Grande Valley of Texas a heavily automobile-dependent area, nothing changed. Trucks jammed the highways, byways and city streets like any other day. A real job-action could have resulted in chaos along Expressway 83, the traffic clogged main artery of The Valley, but traffic moved along normally, in other words fast.
Donald Hayden, quoted in the essay, is right, truckers could shut down the country. However the operative word in the quotation cited is "If". In this Randian-free market hell we Americans have created for ourselves in the last forty years there will always be Quislings and scabs who will backstab their brothers and sisters for a few extra dimes. There can never be solidarity of action among a group of rugged individualists who've drunk deeply from the fountainhead of Ayn Rand's bogus mythology.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 8, 2008 8:16 AM
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P.S.: For anyone riding a diesel powered vehicle, you can fill it with cooking oil, honest.
Fill your tank with vegetable oil - MSN Money
Make your own biodiesel
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Posted by: Grey666 on Apr 8, 2008 8:41 AM
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Do you honestly think you own the highways, so you can go on vacation twice a year to Disneyland?
The taxes on diesel and gasoline pay for the highways.
The truckers are on the road 6-7 days a week, delivering goods across the nation. And now gas prices are wiping out independent truckers - those who worked hard for years and saved to buy their own rigs.
It's downright madness. And if you can't purchase toilet paper next week in the grocery store, then you deserve it.
I've had some pretty damn good trucker friends over the years, and these people work as hard or harder than anyone.
I stand behind the truckers 110%. In fact, they make me proud - always have. Good luck to the truckers, I hope you get somewhere.
Exxon - 38 billion dollar profits... 18 billion in tax credits, now what's that about? If this makes sense to you, then your a damn monkey.
The top 5 gas producers made over 100 billion in profits last year... and truckers are paying $4/gallon of diesel? Does this honestly make sense?
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 8, 2008 8:49 AM
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Posted by: wheresarah on Apr 8, 2008 9:02 AM
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I realize this is about much more than food, but it's just an example. We are far too wasteful and polluting. Perhaps we should choose our battles more wisely and start only trucking cross-country those things we really need to be trucked cross-country.
What can I say, I'm a hopeless optimist.
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Posted by: JoeZ on Apr 8, 2008 9:33 AM
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The complete mismanagement of our nation's finances has resulted in a weakened dollar. As a result we have to pay more for all imported goods - and we import a large percentage of the oil that we use.
Crude oil production has not increased for a number of years, while demand in the US, Europe, and the developing countries of Asia has increased. The only thing preventing shortages has been the worlds poorest countries getting priced out of the market for petroleum products.
Protests against the high cost of diesel fuel are unlikely to help their situation, except to temporarily reduce the taxes on fuel.
The increasing cost of fuel will make more and more trucking uneconomic. This is not surprising because shipping goods by truck is not energy efficient. Shipping goods by rail is much more so, but rail lines need to be extended and rebuilt to reach more areas.
As energy becomes more scarce and fuel prices rise, hopefully we can undertake the project of rebuilding the nations rails before we get priced out of the market for petroleum products.
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Posted by: phatkhat on Apr 8, 2008 9:38 AM
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In other words, the world of American trucking is simply a microcosm of the rest of America.
My husband was an owner-operator leased to a company until a few months ago. Freight was slow, fuel was high, and he couldn't get enough miles to make a living. You can be a good businessperson and still go broke. We were careful, frugal, and he stayed out weeks at a time. But without enough miles (you are paid by miles, and then by HHG miles, not "hub" miles (actual miles), and HHG is usually about 10-15% less. In essence you drive a lot for free.
For the guys who find their own freight, it can be even harder. They don't get paid for any deadhead (empty) miles. If you have to drive 300 miles to pick up your next load, it's on you. Most rigs get around 6 mpg, so that is a lot of money you are not recouping.
As to safety issues, yes, there are some aggressive drivers out there. ("Billy BigRiggers" is what they are called.) But most drivers are very careful. And if a lot of fatalities involve big trucks, it is not necessarily a causal relationship. I think you will find that statistics show that in most cases, the 4-wheeler (passenger vehicle) was at fault. Don't drive in a blind spot for the trucker, don't expect them to stop on a dime, and yield when they have the right of way!
Oh, and truckers can be some of the most generous people alive - even when they don't have much, themselves.
I am proud of my trucker husband (who has a college degree, and is a progressive), and I am proud of these guys who are protesting. Shame on the elitists here who are blowing it out of their backsides.
And BTW, those who advocate a return to rail transport will find many truckers supportive of that, as well. But the rail system is NOT what it used to be, and we cannot depend on it for all the transportation needs of the country.
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Posted by: SteveO on Apr 8, 2008 10:06 AM
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So what do you expect the government to do for you? You have elected people who think you should be able to "drown the government in a bathtub". Do you want price controls? That worked well for the Russians didn't it. How about elimination of the fuel tax? Great! That will save you a giant 18.4 cents per gallon. Open strategic petroleum reserves? That will be gone within a year, then what?
Regan told us "the American way of life is non negotiable". We have been dumb enough to believe that. We could have changed slowly over the last 30 years. Now we are going to have to change all at once.
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Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Apr 8, 2008 11:48 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwMOvV6ctg
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Posted by: DocKunda on Apr 8, 2008 12:01 PM
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If large commercial companies in cohoots with teamsters union are shipping at below cost to drive under the independents, then they should be investigated under antitrust and maybe even Rico laws.
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Posted by: debjbaba on Apr 8, 2008 1:06 PM
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Posted by: EJW on Apr 8, 2008 1:49 PM
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The article wasn't about whether or not independent truckers are good guys or bad, whether or not they own the roads, if hauling by rail is a better option or any other side issue.
Please, please stick to the point, to do otherwise only shows ignorance.
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Posted by: tornadorider2002 on Apr 8, 2008 4:18 PM
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I remember taking a philosophy class in college back in the 1980s, and the professor said that, despite any wrongs done to Americans, we won't fight back because as long as we have our homes with television and beer inside, and our trucks and cars parked out front, we are placated and afraid of upsetting the status quo.
He said, when Americans start losing their homes, televisions, creature comforts and that truck out front, is when we'll see the beginnings of the next civil revolution.
Stay tuned, folks.....while you can.
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Posted by: Longdream on Apr 8, 2008 5:19 PM
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I want railways in this country the way they used to be, so we can go by rail where we want, stopping close to where we need to stop, on decent tracks, in good trains. I AM TOLD THIS IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. ALL THE TRACK HAS FALLEN INTO DISREPAIR OVER THE THIRTY YEARS WE HAVEN'T HAD TRAINS.
I want freight trains to have passenger cars, so we can travel anywhere our trains go. I AM TOLD THAT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. THE TRACKS ARE A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRACK, AND THEY CANNOT BE REPLACED.
I go to Washington DC by train often. I go to Santa Fe by train at least once a year. I go to Chicago by train whenever I feel like it--it's my favorite city outside of NYC where I was born and raised. I go to NYC every couple of weeks. I LOVE TRAIN TRAVEL! I want to go to Grinnell, Iowa and San Bernardino, California, and Clearwater, Florida by train. I want to revive all those railway stations in all the towns that are now used as craft shops and galleries and restaurants. I want to travel my country by train, for business and pleasure.
Why are we putting up with being told that repairing the railways and having trains just as good as European systems is IMPOSSIBLE?? The airlines are going bust. Now is the time.
PRESIDENT OBAMA! BRING BACK THE TRAINS!
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on Apr 8, 2008 5:40 PM
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How thoughtless these truckies are!
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Posted by: tjg1984 on Apr 8, 2008 6:56 PM
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-"You can take my house..." - Didn't Alternet feature a story about people trashing houses before leaving them? And aren't many of these people responsible for their own foreclosures because they chose houses larger than they could really afford?
-"Take my job..." - If by "slink off somewhere" you mean place a burden on government programs, protest very vocally, and/or commit crimes... there is a definite cost to higher unemployment; I don't think the government desires it, even if they do place a higher priority on bleeding the economy to pay for war. Perhaps we could increase employment by getting rid of some of the bureaucratic hoops through which prospective job-creators must jump.
-"...and take my health insurance, too..." - It seems to me that whether they are insured or uninsured, and no matter what kinds of poor health decisions and frivolous purchases they make (often exceeding the cost of a health insurance plan), a significant portion of the American population has been complaining for some time about not having all of their healthcare needs provided for by the government at the expense of others.
So Americans have said and done a lot of things in response to their perception of the economic situation; the problem is that much of it has not been constructive.
With regard to the truckers: I understand that they play an important role in our economy. If they no longer wish to drive their trucks, or cannot afford to, they can and should stop, and the rest of the country will notice. However, obstructing those who are still willing and able to operate their vehicles is unethical, even if the government and/or the oil companies are also behaving in an unethical way (and they likely are).
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Posted by: chlamor on Apr 8, 2008 6:59 PM
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My thoughts are that the truckers need to head to DC and shut the city down. That would be very easy with a few hundred trucks jamming up a few of the spokes on the concentric design that is the D.C. layout.
In addition let us all draw attention to how these things are connected to the US War Machine (how much diesel fuel is used in Iraq each day- and all of the sundry military operations and exercises?) and to the numerous other financial burdens placed on us all.
A one-shot affair is not enough and the ills that are pressing the truckers at present are heading towards us all if not already upon you.
Stop being polite people. Get off your computer and into the streets. Make demands. Be stubborn.
And get with these truckers and other allies in solidarity.
We have all been thrown under the bus by Congress- K St.- The Pentagon and the entire political apparatus of the US. No election will change this fact.
Again.
What can we do to help?
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Posted by: frantaylor on Apr 8, 2008 10:47 PM
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Posted by: georgiaorwell on Apr 9, 2008 6:43 AM
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Why isn't every person in the country picketing Congress and the WH? The economy is in the tank, the war is a big lie, healthcare is in a shambles, society is commiting every kind of sick act, and people have become so weak-kneed and apathetic = pathetic. Where are the protests? Where is the outrage? Everyone should be demonstrating about China and its human rights' violations in addition to the human rights' violations going on here.
In the end, it will be on the people of America who were too weak-willed to stand up and find their voices. You reap what you sow.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Apr 9, 2008 1:08 PM
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and they say we don't have inflation!
food prices are going through the roof... fuel/energy prices are rising as fast...
the oceans have no fish...
freshwater is disappearing faster than oil...
and the planet can't grow the food we need to survive!
thanx BushCo...
a mighty fine leadership/stewardship/presidency you've had...
bahhhhh... hang the asshats... all of em!
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on Apr 12, 2008 6:48 PM
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And then there's Sen. Byron Dorgan, who dragged that Peters bitch, what's her name, Mary head of the Federal Motor Safety etc, Commission--in front of the Senate last month, to explain to her YET AGAIN why Mexican trucks shouldn't be allowed past the 50-mile limit, to take work away from American truckers?
That's why all this is happening, I think. Since the deadly enemies of America were allowed to take over this country 8 years ago, things have gotten steadily worse. Just as an example, it's well known now that Bush lied us into an endless war in Iraq--a country as innocent of 9/11 as if it were Belgium--and yet we are told by our elected representatives, when we bring up the subject of Bush/Cheney's well-deserved impeachment, words to the effect of: "A-w-w-w-w...what for?
Bush is almost gone--WHAT MORE HARM CAN HE DO??" 70,000/bbl OIL A DAY, more harm is what Bush can AND WILL do. How much oil is that, kept off the market from now until Election Day this year? No wonder Bush goes before Congress asking TO INCREASE THE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE OIL RESERVES...! What more harm can he do? LOL! ROTFLMAO!!!
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