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Obama and Hillary Spin a 'Big Lie' About Iraq

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted April 5, 2008.


The two Dems lie every time they discuss Iraq on the campaign trail, but the media refuse to call them on it.
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The cable news networks are happy to spend hours on the latest silly campaign squabble but can't bring themselves to point out the plain fact that the two Democratic nominees are lying, blatantly, to the American people about one of the most important issues facing the country today.

On the stump, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are crystal clear in their rhetoric about Iraq. In a statement released on the occasion of the 4,000th U.S. combat death in Iraq, Clinton said, "I have made [a] promise. And I intend to honor it by bringing a responsible end to this war, and bringing our troops home safely." Not to be outdone, the Obama campaign piped in with an even more definitive statement: "It is past time to end this war that should never have been waged by bringing our troops home."

On the campaign trail, the two candidates often speak of bringing the troops home and ending the war, and Democratic primary voters, 80 percent of whom want U.S. troops out of Iraq within 12 months, reward them with boisterous applause.

It's a Big Lie, and everyone who follows the debates over U.S. policy towards Iraq knows it, but refuses to call the candidates on it. Both Clinton and Obama (PDF) have been very clear -- in the fine print -- about the fact that they will leave a significant number of "residual forces" in Iraq, albeit with a more limited mission than the Bush administration has pursued. They would protect U.S. infrastructure and personnel -- Obama says "the U.S. embassy" -- train Iraqi forces and retain a rapid-response force to conduct "limited counter-terrorism" missions.

Although the candidates refuse to specify the exact scope and length of that mission, independent analysts say that it would require at least 40,000 and as many as 75,000 soldiers and marines. When one looks at the big picture, the end game appears to be a significant draw-down of troops -- with as many as 100,000 sent home or redeployed to Afghanistan, where thin NATO troops are struggling to contain a re-emergent Taliban -- calling a halt to most combat operations and patrols, and dismantling most or all U.S. bases outside of Baghdad.

They would, however, maintain the infrastructure of the U.S. occupation and provide the forces necessary to do so. As the Nation's Jeremy Scahill told Amy Goodman,

Both [candidates] intend to keep the Green Zone intact. Both of them intend to keep the current U.S. embassy project, which is slated to be the largest embassy in the history of the world ... And they're also going to keep open the Baghdad airport indefinitely.

Calling the massive campus the United States is building in Baghdad an "embassy" is somewhat misleading. The Associated Press described it as a "fortresslike compound rising beside the Tigris River ... the largest of its kind in the world, the size of Vatican City, with the population of a small town, its own defense force, self-contained power and water, and a precarious perch at the heart of Iraq's turbulent future."

Obama and Clinton have co-sponsored legislation that would increase accountability for the 180,000 security contractors -- some authorized to carry weapons and use deadly force -- that have run around Iraq largely unaccountable under U.S. and Iraqi laws and the military justice system (Clinton only did so after coming under pressure from human rights and other activists). Creating accountability is a positive step, but neither Clinton nor Obama have said that they would discontinue the use of mercenaries and other private contractors in Iraq.

There is a mile-wide gap between the Democrats' analysis of the war and that of John McCain, and that's evident in the candidates' rhetoric. Those differences are significant, in that they would lead to very different political climates in which the issue would be debated after the election.

But all three candidates have embraced the Catch-22 that assures our enduring presence in Iraq. It can be summed up like this: U.S. forces must remain in Iraq as long as an active insurgency contributes to its instability, and an active insurgency will continue to create instability until the United States makes a commitment to a full withdrawal.

Having accepted that narrative, the sad reality is that the Democratic candidates' Iraq policies differ only incrementally from that of John McCain, or from the long-term "cooperation agreement" Bush is attempting to negotiate with the Iraqi government his administration installed in Baghdad.

McCain, like Bush, speaks only in the vaguest terms about drawing down troops "as the Iraqis stand up," but, short of implementing a draft, a president McCain would have little choice but to make significant cuts to our current troop levels. So, the difference between the Democratic and Republican candidates is one of numbers, rather than approaches. John McCain will likely draw down fewer troops than the Democrats would, and would have them continue to patrol the streets of Iraq. But all of the presidential candidates share similar assumptions about the United States playing a central role in Iraqi affairs moving forward -- all will retain the infrastructure of the occupation for the foreseeable future.


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Obama will maintain the status quo
Posted by: Richard House on Apr 5, 2008 12:58 AM   
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and because it all fits into the Big Picture he can’t or won’t even try to change it. Looking a bit closer at America’s global web of garrisons, the consequences are mostly negative. Most of the US established military bases across the world have become "little Americas," with social, economic, political, and cultural impact on the host countries. And they continue to expand. A good example is the new airbase in the works for Vicenza, Italy which I believe is an international heritage site (as if the Americans care).

They plan to build a military garrison within 2 kilometers of the center of this beautiful and ancient city and will probably stock the airbase with warehouses full with nuclear and chemical weapons. Since I am involved on the ground there with the protests, it is nevertheless a hopeless situation. The fine detail in Obama’s statement about Iraq in the PDF, which Joshua Holland noted, also points to the probable consequences for the continued expansion of US bases in Europe, especially Italy which will logistically become a major staging center for incursions into the Middle East to fight whatever cause comes along. For the time being it is global terrorism. Meanwhile, how about our government focusing on rebuilding America instead of Iraq. Our country is a mess.


Pointless

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» UNESCO Posted by: Dboy
» You just can't leave the party! Posted by: carbon-based
What a bunch of clunkers
Posted by: vox persona on Apr 5, 2008 2:19 AM   
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Now that smirking chimp the boy emperor ripped the lid off of Pandora's Box, and created a self-sustaining perpetual state of war in Mesopotamia, who is there to turn to? Hundred-Year-War Bomber John? I've always been a third party protest-voter, but this year I am truly discouraged. The only thing I have left to hope for is an out-of-the-blue Unity ticket....but who? Chuck Hagel/James Webb? Evan Bayh/William Cohen? Of course the Dem has to be #1, for Supreme Court appointment purposes. Look for Chuck Hagel (he's everywhere, these days....next Friday on Real Time w/Bill Maher), and listen to him carefully. As someone with Republiphobia, I can even envision voting for him. How about it, Alternetters? What is the lowdown dirty scoop on him? There must be some kind of dealbreaker concerning him. I know there are few indeed who post here who can swallow hard and pull the lever for a Repug, but Chuck Hagel is presently displaying the proper amount of disgust with this "president" (imposter to the throne playing "dress-up president). I doubt anybody can undo the damage done by these cretins. Clinton and Obama's lies about Iraq seem the least of our problems.

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» RE: What a bunch of clunkers Posted by: xi_people
» 5 points for Ellie1 Posted by: joeunix
» RE: What a bunch of clunkers Posted by: redstar1970
» RE: What a bunch of clunkers Posted by: xi_people
» RE: Hagel Posted by: Dboy
» RE: What a bunch of clunkers Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters
Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 5, 2008 2:22 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
McLizard, Shillary or SmoovB...

That's IT?


Direct Democracy

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» Spammer!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: chuckjs
» RE: Spammer!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: redstar1970
» RE: Terrorist Posted by: Fishbone Soldier
» The only candidate who can win Posted by: bthespoon
» Wow! That was profound. Posted by: joeunix
» RE: Wow! That was profound. Posted by: dronkenpiraat
» RE: JUST DON'T VOTE PERIOD Posted by: edgar_michel
Who spins the Iraqi Death Count
Posted by: Abushite on Apr 5, 2008 3:46 AM   
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4 million displaced Iraqis from their homes,
Hundreds of thousands maimed crippled by Americans -= countless hundreds of thousands dead

The Obscenity of the Clintons' $109,000,000 while
millions starve. $38,300 a day for honest work

They are both scum!

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» RE: Who spins the Iraqi Death Count Posted by: nochicagoboys
They Can Be Pressed
Posted by: Urstrly on Apr 5, 2008 5:09 AM   
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The tone of these comments gets me down, and I think the piece sets it up by claiming that the candidates lie every time they speak. There's plenty of distortion in the mainstream media, but calling the candidates liars just invokes cynicism.

Having demonstrated against this war since before it began, I don't know why you don't appeal to groups like United For Peace and Justice, Not in Our Name and Code Pink to press the candidates to commit to total withdrawal. We all should, because they need to know that beyond election day we will hold them accountable.

Obama talks about a new kind of foreign policy; he needs to hear that extending the American empire should not be part of it. Clinton I have less hope for, because she backed the war from the beginning and her foreign policy seems to be an extension of Bill's, which was much too timid when some diplomatic pressure might have worked. But either of them gives me more hope than McCain, who has become little more than a collection of slogans unable to grasp any facts or nuance.

The anti-war demonstration I attended a couple of weeks ago felt as though the air had gone out of it, and I think it's because many people's energy has shifted to the election. It's not too late to influence that debate.

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» RE: They Can Be Pressed Posted by: joe2171
» RE: They Can Be Pressed Posted by: MWD2484936
Thank you
Posted by: chuckjs on Apr 5, 2008 5:27 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
for finally doing an article on this. The Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans. Remember they voted and helped pass quite a bit of the legislation that has brought your country to where it is! And they are not addressing the Iraq war in any type of genuine way. Ahh the tactics of distraction. Looks like the fog is starting to clear over the USA.

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» RE: Thank you Posted by: agathena
Note to "a bushite"
Posted by: deatonfl on Apr 5, 2008 5:29 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What a laugh when I read the comments of "a bushite".....are we really suppose to belive that he cares about the death toll in Iraq, or the Iraqi people that have been misplaced???

Then he has the gall to go after the Clinton's for doing so well financially...what a laugh. At least they paid over 30% in taxes and donated 10 million dollars to charity...let's look at any Republican in the same financial category...that will tell the real story.

Sorry Bushies, (and Repubs) we all have your number!

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» RE: Note to "a bushite" Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Note to "a bushite" Posted by: herronsmith
» "What a maroon" Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: "What a maroon" Posted by: Quannah
» RE: "What a maroon" Posted by: agathena
Obama and Clinton lie about health care, environment
Posted by: bthespoon on Apr 5, 2008 5:44 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
..and trade policies too. Why has the Democratic Party forsaken "we the people"?

Oh wait, I think I know the answer to that.

We the people are screwed. A little less so with Democrats than Republicans, but still incredibly screwed either way.

I think I know why Ralph keeps running, and it has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with issues.

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It is now confirmed
Posted by: sss4r on Apr 5, 2008 5:55 AM   
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The agenda of the United States is imperialism--and the Democrats are only telling their base what they want to hear in order to get their votes, but no matter which of the two parties wins, the result will be the same.

The government has nothing but contempt for the American people--we exist only to fuel the war machine, and this will not change if a Democrat is elected--Democrats are no longer a proper opposition party, they secretly support the war as well as the economic policies that are making us all poor. I say this after 10+ years of voting Democratic. The only candidates who spoke the truth were laughed at and excluded from the debates. I will be voting 3rd party from now. I hope after reading this article that you will agree that we need change, and that means freedom from two political parties that are manipulating us all.

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» RE: It is now confirmed Posted by: isnamthere
What about the Izrael Lobby's leash on them?
Posted by: MikeOckhurtz on Apr 5, 2008 5:57 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How can anyone write an article like this and not once mention the Izrael Lobby's stranglehold over American politician's? If any one of these candidates had real courage and said that they would stop the war, bring our troops home, and reconfigure our attitudes toward Iraq and Iran and really work for peace in the Middle East by starting with solving the Izraeli and Palestinian problem, they would be lynched in the pro-Izrael media and marginalized to obscurity.

Hillary and her comment on bringing "freedom" to Iraqis is absurd enough to prove she's unfit for any office and disgusting on it's face. She is a tool and a deceiving elitist no different from Bush because everyone knows that if she were president, she would surely feel obligated to prove how tough she is by using the military as her surrogate muscles. God knows she's odd, and so does every one else.

Obama - who knows? But at this point, even though he has at least publicly swallowed the Izrael Lobby's coolaid, I can't imagine him eagerly dropping bombs on people to prove his manhood. In fact, I'm guessing that he will tell Izrael that it's time to fuck off and do without our money if they don't stop their Holocaust against Palestinians. If a brown skinned man as American President can accept the racism of the Izrael and neocon agenda than everything is hopeless.

The Maverick is just a plain old poopy diaper. He should have stayed in his tiger cage and done America a true service instead of giving us years of corruption an sleaze as a leach in the Senate.

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Watch their emphasis...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 5, 2008 6:11 AM   
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The mentality of our presidential candidates is that without achieving victory, they can do nothing, so victory becomes the all-consuming goal. Words are just words, and you say what needs to be said in order to win the election, so that you can effect your political vision, whatever it may be. You must also have a broad base of media support - without that, the politician is finished - and that means pleasing the owners of the media.

Yes, the corporate media exerts primary control over the U.S. election process via story vetting and specific reporter assignments by editors, who are themselves immediately fired by corporate media executives for any insubordination, and if that fails, the whole concern gets bought up and gutted by the likes of Rupert Murdoch, while the FCC sits by and smiles.

There is a lot of TV news coming out of Iraq - it's only available via internet sites, however. For example:

"Thousands protest Iraqi government raids"

Anyone realize that a million protesters are going to hit the streets in Iraq in a few days, in an anti-U.S. occupation protest? Will CNN and FOX have their cameras ready? Unlikely.

Who won the battle of Basra? April 1

Iraq ruling elite needs US troops to stay in power, March 31

Iraqi refugees in Syria, March 30

US bombs Baghdad's Sadr City as rockets and mortars hit Green Zone, March 29

The blanket of silence means that the corporate media hasn't really changed since 2002, when the war promotion propaganda began to fill the papers and the airwaves in a 24-7 non-stop barrage. The recent coverage is along the same lines.

CNN ran "Will Obama Withdraw from Iraq" - featuring, unbelievably, Michael O'Hanlon of the Brookings Institute, a major invasion supporter who pimped the Iraqi WMD B.S. to the public - still an expert, tho. Also, the piece appear to claim that Clinton was the one who would get troops out - sheer propaganda. Also includes a shot of a staged pro-Maliki government "protest".

Or, you can watch a piece on topless boating.

CBS News ran some semi-decent coverage, completely lacking in any background analysis, on the rocket attacks on the Green Zone, quoting Robert Gates. Better than nothing? No gory shots allowed, of course. That would be tasteless. It does show what a messed up situation U.S. soldiers are stuck in, however. Another piece is more or less identical - "reality show TV" with no discussion at all of why they're fighting. John Rendon must be proud.

We could continue, but this is the same across the board. The worst two appear to be CNN and FOX. FOX is a bad joke - a lead-in commercial about the glory of coal, no video from Iraq, but they do have a story on "sexual novelties for older men." Bill O'Reilly-inspired, no doubt.

The corporate press outlets are all owned by Wall Street interests that also are the majority shareholders in all major U.S. corporations. They want to see the Iraq occupation continue into the future indefinitely so that their shareholders can reap the economic benefits of U.S. control of all aspects of the Iraqi economy.

P.S. "appalling", not "appealing"?

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Help Phil Donahue promote this important movie
Posted by: representativepress on Apr 5, 2008 6:36 AM   
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see video: See Body of War, Hear Body of War
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All too true but ...
Posted by: marxalot on Apr 5, 2008 6:38 AM   
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Progressives need to back-burner their big plans for the moment. This is a stanch the bleeding election cycle. We will be doing well to keep McCain out of the WH. We all know an Obama or Clinton presidency will be a lot more of the same-old.

We know that.

We know the worst that the Dems are capable of. And don't lecture me about 3rd parties. It ain't going to happen. Not in this cycle.

So calm down and get behind the least of the two evils. If it's Obama, just roll your eyes and cast the vote. If it's Clinton bring a bucket. You may become sick. But cast the damn vote.

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» RE: All too true but ... Posted by: redstar1970
» RE: All too true but ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: All too true but ... Posted by: VAGreen
» RE: All too true but ... Posted by: VAGreen
» RE: All too true but ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
The Black Conservative on Liberal Blogs!
Posted by: TheJibreelaMonsters on Apr 5, 2008 6:41 AM   
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Silly kids. Obama's Children of the Corn will make excuse for him like the Massachusetts Moon bats that defend the Governor Deval Administration. These guys are using this as a get rich quick scheme to sale more books while the only thing you'll be left with is change in your pocket.

tomorrow Obama can say he is a Republican and you will make an excuse for that too!

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» **TROLL ALERT** Posted by: Quannah
» RE: **TROLL ALERT** Posted by: joeunix
» RE: **TROLL ALERT** Posted by: Quannah
» RE: **TROLL ALERT** Posted by: Quannah
» RE: **TROLL ALERT** Posted by: e rice
What is the purpose of this article?
Posted by: tom mikesell on Apr 5, 2008 6:43 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Is this just some MSM fallout with a little more context and support?

Your inflammatory headline and seeming insistence that the only way to be against this "war" is for our next President to snap their fingers and "POOF" be done with it, is childish and insincere.

The conclusion seems to be nothing more than to help folks feel better about voting for John McBush.

I was about to donate to AlterNet this morning. I'll have to think about it some more ...

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Once begun war is very messy and not so easy to end
Posted by: foreverhope on Apr 5, 2008 6:54 AM   
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Once commited war is very complicated. I don't EXPECT, I don't even WANT, our next President to explain exactly what they will do to end this war. That is why we elect a president, hopefully one with integrity, courage and good judgement, leadership abilities, a commander-in-chief. However, I do EXPECT once in office, and with the right advise, an exit strategy will be developed to begin safely bringing our soldiers home as soon as possible. Obama has outlined a method, so has Hillary. Obama is the ONLY candidate talking about the conditions of our veterans.

That exit strategy should also include whatever needs to be done to rebuild Iraq, without military occupation. We need to care properly for our returning soldiers, their conditions are deplorable.

Our military needs to be rebuilt too, thanks to GWB it is a mess, everything is a mess. God help our next President and this country.

NO, I DON'T WANT A HAWK FOR PRESIDENT BUT I DO WANT OUR COUNTRY PROTECTED.

We can't allow our dovish beliefs to cloud our judgement, we need a strong defense.

The media as a whole is NOT holding GWB/CHENEY responsible now any more than at the beginning of this war. Therefore the war, the Iraqi people, our soldiers and veterans, are invisable and easily forgotten.

Should be calling it 'The Long Invisable War'.

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A typical article from Holland
Posted by: Earthian on Apr 5, 2008 6:59 AM   
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Holland penetrates the propaganda put out by the Democrats; he calls an occupation an occupation not a war; he relies on polls of Iraqis; he provides a detailed overview of the situation focusing on human factors of perception in Iraq; and his underlying assumption is an end to violence and lawlessness by the US. It takes a lot of work to put an article like this together. This article and so many others by Holland are a great service to the progressive cause. Bravo to Joshua!

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the media at the heart of it
Posted by: mwildfire on Apr 5, 2008 7:03 AM   
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Remarkable how little mention of oil there was in this long piece, or in the one about how nice the Iranian people are. I suspect the writer of that one was being disingenous, presenting Iranians as being baffled as to why the US would want to attack them after Iran aided the US after 9-11. No doubt Iranians actually said what people in essentially all of the rest of the world say: "It's about the oil." The exception being the United States, where this is not said in polite company, and much of the population pretends to believe the silly stories about threats from Saddam Hussein or bringing democracy to the Middle East.
The previous poster has it right--the media is at the heart of how this is done, and I'm getting a little irritated with stories that say the American people have lost interest in the war, citing as proof that the media is no longer devoting much coverage to it--as though we had any say in that! No, the opinions of most Americans are shaped primarily by the mass media, mainly TV, and there is a clear agenda in support of the corporate interests with which the media giants are allied: weapons companies, drug companies, oil companies, and the US government.

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» One thing about Oil Posted by: BCcovers
Apologize and Leave
Posted by: ronheri on Apr 5, 2008 7:11 AM   
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Ron Paul said it best: "We should have never went into Iraq/We marched in, now we just march out". Completely and say we are sorry.

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» frigging nutty trolls Posted by: foreverhope
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Out now!
Posted by: pakebeer2u on Apr 5, 2008 7:30 AM   
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Wisen up and end the OCCUPATION of Iraq now, this has NEVER been a WAR.
Jail the offspring of the Bush dynasty and his cohorts including some of those weasels in the legal sector.
Spend at least 10% of the actual cost of war to help the Iraqi freedom fighters (some call them terrorists) to rebuild their country and let the other oil exporters in the area do the same.
There will be still 90% left to take care of the vets in a honorable way, to take care of education and to reroute this country to civilization.
Let's try to be civilized human beings and refrain from promoting and glorifying military force.

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» RE: Out now! Posted by: Dboy
Finally, A Brief Dose of Obama Reality from AlterNet
Posted by: patsy6 on Apr 5, 2008 7:38 AM   
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Thank you, AlterNet, for finally opening your eyes just long enough to choose to publish an article containing something negative about Barack Obama. Up to now, you have been part of the perpetuation of the lie described in the article. Several of the former Democratic candidates for president, Edwards and Kucinich among them, did, in fact, advocate a total withdrawal of troops from Iraq. Edwards' plan was to keep a small, rapid reaction force in Kuwait, not in Iraq. A major opportunity has been missed, but it's not too late. We need to increase the pressure on Clinton and Obama by keeping the other candidates' plans at the forefront of political discourse, and we need to start letting Clinton and Obama know that we know they're lying.

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» Well said! Posted by: joeunix
» RE: Well said! Posted by: eskit
» AlterNet doesn't have eyes Posted by: Joshua Holland
Left Out, Again
Posted by: jebpgh on Apr 5, 2008 7:53 AM   
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When I was at what turned out to be the final SDS convention in Chicago in 1969, I remember when RYM walked out and PL took the mike to proclaim they had just succeeded in taking control of the most important organization in the New Left. I was sitting in the balcony with my fellow CADRE printers (Chicago Area Draft Resistance) and we looked at one another and spontaneously broke out in what would become the headline a day or so later "Create Two, Three Many SDS's!". After which we started to make plans to find a way to steal their Heidlberg printing press from 1608 W. Madison.

The problem with the Left is - and always has been - the Left. It has this periodic love affair with electoral politics which then dissolves as soon as a progressive becomes a front-runner with a better than even chance of winning. At which time they start applying litmus tests and challenges to their candidate's credibility which - eventually - ensures the defeat of the candidate.

There is a broad consensus that the war in Iraq was and is a mistake. There is NOT a broad consensus that immediate withdrawl is the right course of action. I am content to start with the premise that we are better off with a president who starts, Day One, planning our departure (which I think both Clinton and Obama will do) vs. a candidate who starts thinking about a long-term occupation and a denial of the reality on the ground (which McCain will most certainly do). The only sure protection against the continued policy of American empire is to ensure that a progressive Congress is elected and that we have a president who understands the relationships between the executive and legislative branches as the founders intended.

There are those of you among us who, like Tom Lehr said about the Lincoln Brigade, would "lose all the battles but had the good songs". Try not to screw it up this time folks - we are - after all - a republic.

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