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'Stop Loss': Patriotic Bluster Dressed up As a Protest Movie

By Eileen Jones, The eXile. Posted April 2, 2008.


'Ah signed up thinkin' Ah was goin' there fer mah country.' Hayseed accents can't hide the film's glamorization of war.

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How much do you love the trappings of Texas culture? You know, Stetson hats and cowboy boots, country music and line-dancing, macho rednecks and loud conservatism, pickup trucks and a gun concealed in every waistband? Because if you're invested in the iconography of the Lone Star State, you might also be able to cry over the plight of young Texans coming home from Iraq traumatized because the war wasn't as awesome as they expected. In that case, Stop-Loss is the movie for you. Me, I hated it with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns.

Though it has all that Texas barbecue sauce ladled on top of it, Stop-Loss is actually a traditional male weepy about war, full of American flags flapping, and pop tunes blaring, and young Hollywood actors in military haircuts, frowning to show they understand this is serious. Updated by Paramount and Mtv Films for the YouTube generation, it features a lot of beefcake starlets (Ryan Phillipe, Channing Tatum, Joseph Gordon-Levitt) posing with weapons and trying out hayseed accents: "Ah signed up thinkin' Ah was goin' there fer mah country. Everthin' turned out so diffrunt than we thought ..."

I saw it at a Southern California multiplex where half the audience was snuffling into their Kleenexes over our brave American boys having to fight this cruel, cruel war. The war in Iraq, I should specify again; otherwise, you might get confused. Because if you've seen any lugubrious Hollywood war movies made since Wings was the big hit of 1927, you'll recognize this mash-up. World War I, World War II, Korean War, Viet Nam, The Best Years of Our Lives, The Deer Hunter, Platoon, whatever. It's always the flower of young American manhood in all its ignorant jarhead glory sacrificed on the altar of our country for some goddamn foreign war. As the heartthrob hero in Stop-Loss bleats, "This is WRONG!!"

Stop-Loss is the latest in an apparently endless series of films lamenting our Middle East debacle that includes In the Valley of Elah, Rendition, Redacted, No End in Sight, and The Kingdom. They've all gone straight into the box-office crapper, rejected by an American public that already knows we're screwed over there, or else doesn't want to know. But director Kimberly Peirce (Boys Don't Cry), who also wrote the screenplay with Mark Richard, has figured out a way to sugarcoat this pill for the average filmgoer. She gives us a protest movie about the war that -- follow me closely here -- doesn't actually protest the war. Because that would be a bummer, getting us into that whole thing again about Bush and Cheney and the WMDs that weren't there and the no-exit-strategy. Not to mention the 4,000 dead Americans we're sort of peeved about. We support our troops, you know! In this movie Peirce insists on supporting our troops so hard it's impossible to figure out what's ailing us, watching these fine boys with their fine parents all having fine values in this fine country of ours. Nagging questions hang over the whole project: if our Texas-style patriotism is so great, and our mission to defend America is so great, and we've got hordes of studly young guys leaping at the opportunity to go fight whoever they're told, and they're all great, too, and their families and communities are great, then uh ... what's the problem? Why isn't everybody happy?

Well, for one thing, it turns out that if you go fight in a war, you can get SHOT. Yeah! It's true! Even a righteous American, with a big gun, and a Kevlar vest, and a Hummer! That's the movie's first-act revelation. We see our boys in Iraq, doing their jobs chasing insurgents into local people's apartments, and those bastards start SHOOTING at 'em!

But okay, the young Texans do their duty anyway under these testing conditions. They're all best buddies from the same town, see, and when a buddy is threatened they naturally have to slaughter a whole Iraqi family, per the army training manual, down to the littlest child. Lingering close-ups of the dead family will come in handy later as fodder for those post-war flashbacks. Then, just when the guys get home and get their medals pinned on and think they're done servin' their country, they're threatened with the presidential stop-loss order sending soldiers who've done their tours back to active duty. This is the second-act revelation, that George W. Bush, the pride of Crawford, Texas, might be kind of a dick.


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Posted by: thub on Apr 4, 2008 7:38 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
excellent and precise review, hilarious.

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WHY NOT THE REVIEW THE MOVIE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 4, 2008 7:58 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Stop babbling. Did the movie makes its point? I say yes. The movie was set in Texas. Were you expecting suits & briefcases? I would like to hear from people who have gotten stop-lossed. Do they think the portrayal is accurate. The review as written is not at all objective about content. The war in Iraq means something different in Texas that it does in the northeast. Barbecue sauce & bar fights, not Starbucks and Brie cheese. ANNA

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» RE brie cheese or hot dogs Posted by: cwilsondrum
How to learn to love the bomb
Posted by: DaBear on Apr 4, 2008 6:50 PM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Saw the film. It sucked. Too heavy on the bullshit patriotic crap and light on the real situation of stop-lossed troops. A perversely contorted context to the point of didactic drivel in the ugliest of directions--the reviewer says it all in the last paragraph.

I knew it was likely to be patriotic Texan stoopid when I went in. When I left the theater, I felt I needed a shower... propaganda tends to make me feel especially dirty. I had hopes... and shoulda known better.

The vets I saw it with were pissed off and were offended by the patriotic bullshit, how twisted around everything seemed, "like it stood reality on its head, man." But what do they know, they all had missing body parts from IEDs. Only one of them managed to sit the whole way through it and he demanded his money back. If only he'd have kicked the manager's ass like Brandon...

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no in sight was great
Posted by: whealeydj on Apr 5, 2008 4:15 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
and I missed the other Iraq movies because they were theatrical. The reviews suggested they all fell short of being good drama. It is hard to dramatize war without making heroes of soldiers which this reviewer seemd to hate. I have known several who have been and one who is there now. It is better to make heroes of soldiers caught in the stop loss breach of contract than military approved moviews like Top Gun that make heroes of fighter pilots and glorify the military. I intend to see this movie. It would be interesting to know if filmmaker got cooperation from military to make the movie. Finally I think this review showed some male bashing that gives feminism a bad name.

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» RE: no in sight was great Posted by: henderson
» RE: no in sight was great Posted by: whealeydj
» RE: no in sight was great Posted by: brock_samson
» RE: no in sight was great Posted by: whealeydj
Why Didn't They Cast McCain and Hillary?
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Apr 7, 2008 2:56 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It would have been better if they'd shown Hillary making one of her speeches about Saddam's WMD and ties to al Qaeda and John McCain had made a cameo appearance in flak jacket surrounded by a few platoons of Marines and some attack choppers. Or maybe they could have shown Hillary dodging sniper fire.

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I haven't seen it yet . . .
Posted by: Scientz on Apr 7, 2008 3:35 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
. . . but it sounds like a perfectly good strategy to fill the seats. After all, the overwhelming majority of Americans *love* war. As Gary Brecher pointed on this very site (you know Gary Brecher, right Eileen? . . . I believe he also writes for the eXile) Americans are upset with Bush because he didn't kick enough ass in Iraq, not because they went on false pretenses, and removed the dictator THEY had installed (AND given WMDs) as a bulwark against fundamentalist Iran. (Which, by the way, went fundie in '79 some 26 years after the CIA had toppled their democratically government and put a corrupt monarch back on the throne)

You think Americans want to learn about the complexity of which they are a complicit part? Have you been AWAKE for the past 7-8 years? 7-8 DECADES even?

Wow.

I think you need to get back out among the ignorant masses and realize who this movie was made for; it clearly isn't you.

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» I wholeheartedly concur. Posted by: Scientz
» RE: I wholeheartedly concur. Posted by: CanuckKid
» Duly noted.... Posted by: CanuckKid
STOP! (Loss)
Posted by: jmmartin on Apr 7, 2008 5:28 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Your reviewer says: "[Stop-Loss] features a lot of beefcake starlets (Ryan Phillipe, Channing Tatum, Joseph Gordon-Levitt)..."

In the first place, "starlets" is derogatory when applied to a male. Female actors (who used to be called "actresses") are "starlets"; male actors (which is redundant), "stars."

Second, you've given me a perfectly good reason to see the movie despite your negative critique. There aren't three more interesting, handsome, talented young players in the movies today than these three. However, I do think I'll wait till it shows up in the $1 New Release kiosk (in about three months).

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» RE: STOP! (Loss) Posted by: aerdrie
Propaganda
Posted by: MikeOckhurtz on Apr 7, 2008 5:37 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Corporations usurp every trend, every fad, every thought, of the counterculture in order to confuse people and to "mainstream" ever aspect of society. By doing that, they marginalize dissent and objectivity directed towards their illegal actions stealing money, polluting the environment, and conducting war.

The questions to ask is who made this film? What do they believe? What are their motives? Who financed it? Who edited it? Was the evil five sided Izraeli Pentagon involved? Of course, they usually have some pul when it comes to the military.

As an aside - maybe we should just nuke Texas. We can give the good Texans a chance to leave and just nuke the rest. America doesn't need it.

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» Remember the Alamo? Posted by: Prairie Waif
» RE: Propaganda Posted by: austex_chris
» RE: Propaganda Posted by: MikeOckhurtz
Lots of posturing and strutting
Posted by: taxidriver on Apr 7, 2008 5:42 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Just like Bush -- he isn't really a Texan, of course, but he plays one at the "ranch" in Crawford.

And our SGT? He's not just strong: he's ARMY STRONG!

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» RE: Lots of posturing and strutting Posted by: julie_burtis
An actual movie review
Posted by: zeitgeist1979 on Apr 7, 2008 6:00 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Let me give you one: I just saw this movie last week and let me tell it is a GREAT movie. Be warned though: it can be overwhelming to watch it because it shows so much heartening and graphic images of what warfare truly looks like. You will find none of the BS glorifying images of warfare mythology that have so often been the case with Hollywood war movies. It gives it to you like it is, with images of amputees, children dying, and the human consequences of President Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq. I must point out that it shows the impacts on both the Iraqi people and on our American soldiers, something that the American mainstream media just barely acknowledges.

Going into this movie, I had my doubts about the choice of actors. Mainly, about Ryan Phillipe and Joseph Gordon-Levitt. I thought it would be hard to buy Ryan Phillipe in a role in which he would have to play a character that is tough, homely, and with a very strong social consciousness. I am so used to Ryan playing characters in other movies where he is basically the preppy self-absorbed pretty spoiled elitist boy (for example, in the movie "Cruel Intentions", co-starring Sarah Michelle-Gellar). By the same token, I am used to Joseph Gordon-Levitt in comedic roles of characters that are awkward scrawny geeks (like when he was on that show, "Third Rock From the Sun"). Well, boy was I wrong! Both of Ryan's and Joseph's performances blew me away. They were TOTALLY believable in their roles and they even made me tear up quite a few times with their performances (what can I say, issues that have to do with Veterans and how the government sometimes screws them over, taking advantage of the bonds that soldiers forge amongs themselves, that always gets to me).

I really hope that you go watch the movie. I highly recommend it!

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» Joseph Gordon-Levitt Posted by: brunowe
» RE: An actual movie review Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: An actual movie review Posted by: ingerwing
A story of rebellion
Posted by: citizenjoe on Apr 7, 2008 6:03 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
For what its worth, I saw this as a story of rebellion-one guy only goes against authority; the rest of them are pitiful, deceived, fools.

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Just so I'm clear...
Posted by: Incertus (Bradley) on Apr 7, 2008 6:22 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
A movie in which the main character says the war with Iraq was a mistake, goes AWOL to protest a part of the military culture, and says "fuck the president" is somehow not protesting the war, because the director shows some sympathy for traumatized troops who happen to be from Texas? Yeah... that's moronic.

The real problem with this movie-- and I say this as someone who has been against the war and occupation from the start-- is that it sacrifices its own narrative in order to pursue its progressive political agenda. If the movie had focused on the struggles these three men have trying to adjust to life back home in Texas after having been in Iraq, it might have been compelling. But instead, Peirce decided to sacrifice character development and naturalistic dialogue for a heavy-handed polemic about this particular political/military issue. That I ultimately agree with her politically does not mean that I appreciate her abandonment of craft in favor of "delivering a message." It's an After School Special for people who keep diaries on the Daily Kos-- substitute the phrase "It's a back-door draft, is what it is" for "I think Tommy's been huffing" or "Cindy, eat something!"

The problem with Stop-Loss, I thought, was its complete lack of subtlety. But maybe I was wrong-- obviously, there are some people who didn't get Peirce's message despite her attempts to hit them over the head with it. For such people, I would suggest seeing another, less challenging movie-- The Other Boleyn Girl is still in the theaters and doesn't feature the oh-so-offensive Texas accent, but if that's too highbrow there's also Superhero Movie and College Road Trip.

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» There's also In the Valley of Elah Posted by: Moore Hognutz
Nothing new since 1940's
Posted by: talkville on Apr 7, 2008 6:29 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Hollywood has always been an outlet for Psychic Assaults, almost always at bottom serving justificatory purposes for on-going policies or events -- they serve to 'bond the nation' and raise erotic and aggressive impulses towards pre-selected orientations.

With regard to war and war making, the vast majorities here are familiar with it through 'behind the eyes' - in Imagination. The control and structuring of imaginations is always in the forefront; we'll all internalize and do the rest of the work for them.

The Luxury of 'witnessing' portrayals of war -- even ostensibly crude and rough depictions -- is a quintessentially American pastime.

"War is Hell" is glaringly portrayed in the foreground, "but it's gotta be done" is more muted and in the background. ALWAYS the American Soldier, even when a bit ambiguously portrayed, is at bottom the ultimate essence of Good. ALWAYS the Enemy and the Other is the ultimate essence of Bad and must be piously, compassionately or coldly dispatched forthwith.

No matter how great a story is as a story, it will always remain a story. The intentions, motivations and purposes of conception through production to release at this particular time, and in that particular form and in those particular spaces is much more difficult to dis-entangle.

As with all experiences from the Outside-In, there are levels of effect from the surface of consciousness to the depths of the sub-conscious. Hollywood knows this well and the Military, Economic and Political parties interested in the matter know they know it well.

"Hearts and Minds". Propaganda in the strictest and more generalized senses of the term. Just why might movies like this be coming out just now?

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Have to agree with incertus. My daughter and I saw this - my wife didn't go since
Posted by: thekidde on Apr 7, 2008 6:31 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
our son just shipped to Kuwait. As a combat veteran of the last total abortion by the US military (Vietnam), I found the movie suitably anti-war, anti-BushCo and realistic in presenting the chaos of combat. The reviewer, obviously inexperienced in anything to do with war except as an observer, inserted herself and her prejudices into the review. She seems incapable of nuance, irony, etc. Too bad. I think the more people who see the movie, the more people will realize the difference between "supporting the war" and "supporting the troops". The best way to support the troops is to get them the hell out of Iraq.

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» You are so right Posted by: JLPearson
Isn't it pathetic
Posted by: Ellie1 on Apr 7, 2008 7:45 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
that the American Sheeple can watch fictional Iraqi war movies, but are not allowed to see any body bags or combat in the U.S. media? When are we collectively going to remove our heads from our butts?

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"...because of my hatred of the Texas two-step and all that comes with it."
Posted by: amphead on Apr 7, 2008 8:07 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Prejudiced much?

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Ballbuster Blockbuster
Posted by: grn1 on Apr 7, 2008 8:27 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"But this treatment doesn't faze Brandon. He's not just tough, he's army-tough. Inspired by Iraq flashbacks the way Popeye is inspired by spinach, he leaps up to pummel both guys, plus a third one who's come in from nowhere and pulled a gun on him." I wonder if her brother served with my son-in-law. Weeks after he returned from Iraq he was carjacked and held at gunpoint with my daughter in Pacoima. He did not resist, and felt helpless. Thanks to a cop who was also a Vietnam vet for showing him some compassion, listening and reassuring him that he did the right thing and the smart thing.

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I liked the movie
Posted by: RobNLA on Apr 7, 2008 8:33 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
First let me say I've always been against the Iraq War, it's economic imperialism plain and simple.

That being said, I think Stop Loss was a good movie. It tried to give an even handed approach to the war, to tell a story of a soldier torn between conflicting feelings...his disgust of the brutality and anguish of the war versus his love of life in Texas with his family and friends.

This is the situation our soldiers are put in when they are forced to go back into Iraq and Afganistan over and over, compelled to endure over-extended tours of duty.

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Hollywood Manicure
Posted by: grn1 on Apr 7, 2008 8:40 AM   
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BTW it was obvious during the lead up and during the first few years of these wars I didn't watch much tv. From the history channel to movie channels we were inundated with hero type war propaganda. The rush to make flight 93, Pearl Harbor, WW2 everywhere. Living in our own war fantasies, courtesy of Hollywood. The cycle has become boring, redundant, and certainly not entertaining.

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American Troops
Posted by: Litt_Wmn on Apr 7, 2008 8:59 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
American troops who volunteered for the war in Iraq are guilty of heinous crimes against the Iraqi people and that they were just following orders doesn't excuse what they did and are doing. Those orders were illegal; the war is illegal. Were it not for America's sheer power to bully its way past any kind of justice, thse soldiers along with their Commander-in-Chief would be brought to justice and duly punished according to international law for war crimes.

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» RE: American Troops Posted by: Incertus (Bradley)
» RE: American Troops Posted by: bcgirl125
It's time to do something different
Posted by: willymack on Apr 7, 2008 9:15 AM   
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Like create an unbeatable home defense force that STAYS HOME, and costs about 20% of what we spend on "defense" now. It's time we educate our people on how to recognize tinhorns like the bushes of the world for the evil scum they are. It's time we come to the realization that "great" as our country may be, it's only great for US, and other nations have equally valid opinions about the value of their own societies.

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This Film Was Mistitled!
Posted by: Gilded_Truth on Apr 7, 2008 10:59 AM   
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I saw this movie and concluded that the title is all wrong. It should be titled "Cannon Fodder". Although, I did not care much for the movie, I did like the actors. The film covered far more than one reluctant sergeant subjected to stop loss. PTSD was prevalent throughout the film. If there was one scene that I want EVERY American to see, it is the battle in the alley (Iraq). The confusion, chaos and horror of that scene is real and is something most Americans will never know or understand. By the time my youngest son is home from Iraq, he will have served 15 months there. I have another son who served 15 months in Iraq. My youngest will be sent back again next year. This war of choice is a damn NIGHTMARE for those of us who have to live it. If you want to view a documentary that shows the soldiers as their daily/nightly tour unfolds, then rent Gunner Palace. It is still available at Blockbuster in the Special Interest section. The director of Gunner Palace actually embedded himself with soldiers. He traveled to Baghdad, not once, but twice and rode with the soldiers in their humvees and accompanied them on their raids. He exposed himself to the same danger as the troops were exposed to. If you can stay with it until the end, you will hear what two soldiers concluded about the war. It's real footage, real soldiers and real reality.

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This Review is an Example of Progressive In-Fighting
Posted by: ruscle on Apr 7, 2008 12:17 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The nasty, unforgiving tone of this review is just one more example of progressives fighting against each other.

I'm against the war.

No, I'm more against the war than you.

So Hollywood casts beautiful people. And War movies often contain the mix ambiguities of War is Hell and We love our Country.

It is time we stopped fighting amongst ourselves, picking apart each other's work and started focusing on the real enemy... the neo-cons and corporatists. You should give credit that this movie was even made. A few people who are pro-war will see this and it will make them think long and hard about McCain's love of war as national policy. This is a good thing. Being bitter about the presentation because it's not gritty enough for you is spitting in the face of your friend.

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just a person
Posted by: jwc1480 on Apr 7, 2008 1:09 PM   
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I wonder what else and who else she hates besides the Texas two-step and people who speak with
hayseed accents? Could this be everything and everyone who do not conform to her so. cal. view of the world? Thank goodness she has the right to express her bigoted views. Granted by a soldier, no doubt.

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A real protest movie - "The Torturer"
Posted by: grahamhgreen on Apr 7, 2008 2:27 PM   
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Check out http://www.thetorturermovie.com

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» This is a SICK porno movie! Posted by: Cathyc
War Criminals
Posted by: Litt_Wmn on Apr 7, 2008 4:27 PM   
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This movie has audiences "sniffling into their Kleenexes" about how "our boys" are dying over there for this country. The Iraqis are, to paraphrase Arthur Miller, our sons too. And they did not ask for what came to them. The American soldiers who went to Iraq had a choice. For heaven's sake, do not make them into heroes, do not deify their criminal actions upon innocent civilians in Iraq, a country whose citizens posed absolutely no threat to any American citizen. Sadly, owing to America's hegemony in world affairs, these soldiers, their officers, their commanders will never answer for what they did. At least some are honest enough to join organisations like Iraq Veterans Against the War where they attempt to make some kind of amends against the bloody genocide in which they participated in Iraq. It is not enough for the Iraqis they killed - it is never enough for the Iraqis that they killed - the blood on their hands is there to stay - but at least they are trying.

The excuse that the soldiers were poor and were forced to join the army, or that they were just following orders, just does not suffice. Terrorists too, are brainwashed young men who are just following orders. And where does that get us? Precisely.

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Paul Reickoff,
Posted by: jackyD on Apr 7, 2008 4:37 PM   
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Executive Director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, told Rachel Maddow he was not at all impressed with this movie. Basically, he didn't seem to feel it had anything meaningful to say.

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Kids in the American Army: Victims of USA Economic Policies
Posted by: sofla100 on Apr 7, 2008 5:44 PM   
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Some posters have stated repeatedly that "we should not feel sorry" for the "volunteers," who went into the Army and this war. Unfortunately, Stop-Loss just looks like it deals with disillusioned kids hoodwinked on patriotic themes. I don't know about Texas, but I do know about Michigan and the Midwest where I grew up. Remember Michael Moore showing Flint, Michigan? That's exactly how it is. All the good jobs have left the USA due to "free trade." Kids have nothing left except Wal-Mart's, 7-11 or the mall to work at. Those who can get to go to college have parents who can afford it. Under the Republicans, student aid has been nearly extinguished. So, it's a choice between living under a bridge or going into the Army for thousands of young men. Now, these men don't believe the patriotic crap one bit, they know the war is BS, but they see the money, they see the healthcare, they see the GI Bill. So, to slam them I really think is wrong. Then, when they get some money and benefits saved up, the Army stop-losses them. This is what the film should have shown. It's a pity it just shows some John Wayne Texas yahoo types. Believe me, the reality is vastly, vastly different. Many, many in the Army are really economic refugees. From a rich country that gives nothing to her people and is organized and controlled just to protect and enrich a wealthy elite. That is really the way it is!

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This is Hollywood Texas, not the real Texas
Posted by: austex_chris on Apr 7, 2008 7:38 PM   
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As a bleeding heart New York liberal who moved to Texas as a teenager I have to say that in the movies the Texas you see is not the real Texas. I have worked on three movies in Texas and all the accents you see are fake. I laugh out loud when I watch that awful show Friday Night Lights. All the actors are caricatures. I would go so far as to say that even good ol' George W. is a caricature, he has more Connecticut in him than his posse wants you to know. When George Bush makes a public appearence in Austin he gets booed consistently.

Texas is a great place, too bad these Hollywood types portray a stereotype in the movies all the time. It's a shame really because there are good Texans out there like Willie Nelson. In fact, the Republicans only have a hold on Texas because they redistricted the entire state to make it near impossible for Democrats to win anything. You have areas where rednecks who own three or four huge ranches control entire voting districts. But believe me, when you live here you find some real gems.

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Where's Iraq?
Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 7, 2008 7:45 PM   
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I live in rural Nebraska, and you'd be lucky out here to find 2 people in a hundred who could even tell you where Iraq is located on the globe.

Oh, they're all for the war, however. And supporting "our boys".

I've actually had people tell me they think that Iraq is located in Africa someplace. That Iraqis are Ay-rabs and go around riding camels with towels around their heads. That all the Ay-rabs want to kill us. That the "Mohammedans" are wild-eyed savages who go around all day chanting "death to america". That if it wasn't for Prez-dent Bush those "terr-ists" would get us. That that fellow S'dam was the anti-Christ, that the war in the Middle East is just a sign of the EndTimes approaching.

I don't even know what the answer is to bring some light to the darkness of the average mind out here. I never thought I would ever see a country--mine, no less--actually go backward.

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Its official
Posted by: Ayla87 on Apr 8, 2008 10:11 AM   
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Alternet movie reviewers are never happy.

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who needs Hollywood?
Posted by: davidg on Apr 12, 2008 3:54 PM   
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Just google Youtube and get all the footage you want for realism. Start with the Winter Soldiers stuff and just surf. Put the celebritariat in perspective: Pierce and the stable of dudes...telephone technology says it like it is. At least the Internet will give perspective to the movies, which are important, of course. It could keep them honest. Maybe?

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