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The Mythology of Boomers Bankrupting Our Healthcare System
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When the three-day conference ended, it also was apparent that developed countries share many of the same problems. One that stands out is the fact that our populations are aging. Each country faces the same question: How will a shrinking work force possibly pay for the medicine their nations' retirees will need?
This brings me to Princeton economist Uwe Reinhardt's speech on the very first day of the conference. The only American to speak at WHCCE, Reinhardt focused on what he called "the folklore that people bring to the healthcare policy table." By nature an iconoclast, Reinhardt spent the next 20 minutes shattering some of the myths that have become part of the received wisdom among policymakers.
Begin with the notion that an aging population is a major factor driving healthcare inflation. In the United States this is accepted as a justification for why the nation's healthcare bill now equals more than $2 trillion -- and why we must expect it to climb ever higher.
Bad news is often more gripping than good news, and "if you want to be a popular speaker, you need to feed the paranoia of your audience," Reinhardt observed, pointing to the first slide of his PowerPoint presentation -- a chart illustrating just how quickly we can expect a horde of wrinkly boomers to take over the nation. Some stooped and shriveled, others proudly bloated, these former members of the Pepsi generation will be far more demanding, we're told, than the World War II veterans who preceded them.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 10, 2008 12:17 AM
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Spread the news ! But it won't go far with the tax cut crowd, the Health Care Industrial Complex and their media flunkies.
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 10, 2008 2:13 AM
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Posted by: talkville on Apr 10, 2008 2:52 AM
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We always fall for it: this System does not operate for the benefit of "the people"; it operates for the benefit of its Owners. Witness a publication like AARP, chock-full of Insurance ads (Life, mainly and other useful profit generators). It is for THEM and their sister institutions we exist. We are sadly deluded if we think otherwise. The Owners got us, again. Puffing, chugging and tripping along, as it has since the founding, the System still works just as planned.
Being an older curmudgeon, I say to this System: Hail Caesar! We who are dying Do Not Salute you!
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Posted by: disc golf on Apr 10, 2008 4:27 AM
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There are many examples, so let me just cite one: Cancer reduction. We could reduce our risks of 12 different forms of cancer dramatically by adequate sunshine exposure! (http://tompetrie.net/id8.html) Such adequate sunshine exposure could reduce our risk approx. 50 percent for breast, colon and prostate cancer! Why wasn't THIS in the major newspapers--AND accurately reported? We could reduce our risks of all major illnesses--even so called "chronic illnesses"--by better diets, more exercise, etc.
Part of the problem is that it is profitable to treat "chronic illnesses" but it is not profitable to make folks disease-free.
When Americans start to realize that it's the "free" things (or almost free things) that help them remain out of the system, then our health care costs will decrease. What do I mean?
--Avoidance of vaccinations in most cases
--Avoidance of microwave cooking
--Avoidance of drugs as much as possible (this is, after all, the third or fourth leading cause of death in America!)
--Avoidance of fluoride/fluoridated water (http://tompetrie.net/id6.html)
--Avoidance of refined/processed foods, fast-foods, white sugar, white flour, factory farmed meats/poultry, soda, etc.
--Regular exercise--when possible
--Adequate sleep
--Adequate exposure to sunshine
--Minimal exposure to electromagnetic radiation
--High intake of organic fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds, etc.
The real problem with our current "health care system" is that diet and prevention are given cursory, (if any) attention. Only profitable interventions and treatments get any significant attention.
There is a reason my medical expenditures (excluding the costs of organic foods and running shoes), have been practically zero for the previous 35 years: prevention. Prevention is also what helps to keep my clients healthy and typically free from potentially dangerous Rx meds.
Tom, Nutritionist
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Posted by: BBHOW on Apr 10, 2008 4:54 AM
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Another large area of concern is our shrinking workforce. As it was eloquently pointed out in the article, there are likely to be fewer and fewer health care professionals in the future, which will likely drive up inflation adjusted wages and hence health care spending. Much like our social security program needs to be administered with more care, so does whatever universal health care program that emerges(assuming there is one; fingers crossed). We must be sure to levy enough taxes to adequately fund the program so that when health care spending increases do come we have the ability to withstand and control the costs without cutting coverage, quality, or accessibility. We must not continue to pile financial burden on generations to come. I sincerely hope we are responsible as a society and do not allow this to happen.
-Brad, Actuary
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Apr 10, 2008 6:23 AM
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I am reminded of a story I heard years ago while the cold war was ongoing. An American was discussing the media with a Soviet citizen who noted that the Soviets were actually better off. His comment was that unlike the situation in America, Soviet citizens all knew that what they read in their newspapers were all lies.
Perhaps the hopeful trend in the U.S. is that we are all coming to understand that all the MSM is feeding us lies.
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Posted by: kb on Apr 10, 2008 6:30 AM
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 10, 2008 6:52 AM
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Look carefully behind the curtain whenever any "gloom and doom" predictors start their blabbing. You can usually find someone with an agenda.
Thank you, Alternet, for posting this article!
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 10, 2008 7:40 AM
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The author's premise, that with a little slight of hand a few power point slides we can turn a ~55-60 trillion dollar unfunded liability into no real biggie doesn't wash, and I can give you a trillion reasons why, in equal stacks of bout 57.
And that's just the medicare/social security portion that our aging baby boomers will require, if things continue as the presently are.
Bottom line: Taxpayers are now on the hook for a record $59.1 trillion in liabilities, a 2.3% increase from 2006. That amount is equal to $516,348 for every U.S. household. By comparison, U.S. households owe an average of $112,043 for mortgages, car loans, credit cards and all other debt combined.
Unfunded promises made for Medicare, Social Security and federal retirement programs account for 85% of taxpayer liabilities. State and local government retirement plans account for much of the rest. snip
You'd think after such bad press over accounting practices, governmentals would come clean with the books, and address how we are going to keep Medicare and Social Security in the business of still being there. We can be--rightly--miffed at Ken Lay and Enron (etc.), but we mostly shrug when our elected officials play with numbers in a way that puts the country on a collision course with reneging on its promises.
Yes, the author is correct in that gramps is probably not going to be responsible for that much of an increase in my HSA account, that fraud, waste, and abuse do contribute to my health care costs, that new, expensive pills are--often--not all that helpful. I disagree with him in the general area of medical technology--diagnostics and better patient education have led to some startling declines in the cancer rate in the nation--some of the first good news in many, many years, while (broadly) "pills/therapies" such herceptin (nothing but a gd monoclonal antibody) that cost billions to research and thousands of dollars to provide have extended the life span of a patient with a metastatic tumor by only an average of 4-6 months. Gleevec, which was touted to be a breakthrough cancer drug, appears only effective in treating a small number of liquid tumors, and eventual resistance of the tumor cells is common.
But I digress. None of those observations are capable of changing the laws of addition and subtraction. The author reminds us of Ken Lay, putting on a brave face and insisting that, "no reason to be uptight, everything is basically ok"...right up until the math caught up with him, and everyone else who owned Enron.
Folks, we own this nation, and we're going to be in the same situation as Enron shareholders when the math finally strikes, regardless of the platitudes offered.
It's time to stop denying our Medicare bills and Social Security liabilities and find a way to pay them, if we value the return they provide. There is indeed a crisis looming, and we have every right to be worried about what it will mean for our country.
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 10, 2008 7:42 AM
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Posted by: acers on Apr 10, 2008 8:04 AM
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It feels like a cop-out to move to a country with good, reasonable health care at my age, although I am of Swedish descent and could move. When I was younger, it would surely have been an option if I had known the mess this country would get into. But hindsight is just that,behind us. So I stick with it and support better health care whenever I can.
This country seems so much to believe in 'I've got mine, you can go jump in the lake, or whatever.' Social Solidarity...caring what happens to all of us. Even those who have fallen through the cracks. Maybe we'll evolve.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 10, 2008 8:20 AM
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As a country, we have the worst diet. This leads to a high incidence of heart disease, liver damage, diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer and other ailments. That's really what results in exploding medical bills for families as people age.
We also have a high level of exposure to air and water pollution, though here the separation is more along economic lines - industrial pollution is allowed in poor neighborhoods, but not in wealthy ones, although it all trickles down into the food and water supply that everyone relies on.
There are two solutions to the dietary problem, both difficult. One involves forcing the U.S. food and agribusiness industry to clean up its practices. Another involves getting American consumers to change their shopping and cooking practices. Cook grains, buy organic vegetables, and select protein sources carefully. Eat lower on the food chain, as well- it's better for you and for the environment. Buy food at farmer's markets and make a general rule not to buy any processed foodstuffs. Don't buy any food that's been imported into the country. That means big profit losses for Global Agri-Food Inc., but oh well.
The environmental pollution problem is equally massive, equally damaging to health, and can be harder to avoid. Any child living in a high-traffic area with diesel trucks runs a serious risk of developing asthma, for example. While a screen for environmental pollutants in the body (mercury, lead, pesticides, hormone mimics, arsenic, etc) should be a normal part of a yearly medical checkup, the chemical industry has worked overtime to prevent that from happening (see Bill Moyers: http://www.pbs.org/tradesecrets/)
Intergenerational bickering will do nothing to solve the problem. We need some basic institutions put in place, including a National Health Care System (after the British or Canadian or French systems) that includes pollutant screening and dietary counseling for patients.
The only question I have for the baby boomers is: what the hell happened? You started off with such wonderful dreams, and look what it turned into: Reaganomics and the rise of grotesque personal greed as the acceptable moral standard for public behavior. Hippies turned yuppies turned loyal system apparatchiks. Sure, a gross generalization, but it has a little bit of truth to it, doesn't it?
Overall population issues are a lot more complicated than most people are willing to admit. For example, see Putin calls for steps to end drop in population:
""Right," Putin answered. "The Defense Ministry knows what the main thing is. Really, I am going to speak about love, women, children" - the assembled officials applauded - "family, and Russia's most acute problem today: demography."
Putin then warned that Russia's population has been declining by almost 700,000 people a year.
The underlying data is grim. In 2004,for every 16 Russians who died, only 10.4 babies were born, according to the most recently available official data. And the average age of death for a Russian man was 58.9 years, far below other industrial nations and roughly two decades behind the average age at death of an American male."
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Posted by: xvictor on Apr 10, 2008 8:50 AM
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Move your ass a lot more. Patronize your local gym more often. cut down on the constant munchies while watching TV.
Simple things like the above will improve your quality of life and save you from ingesting a lifetime of expensive anti-cholesterol pills and other prescriptions and avoiding medical procedures like cutting you open to do heart surgery, etc. You'll also do the environment a big favor.
But most folks will not do these simple things. It takes a bit of will power to dissuage a lifetime of gluttony. With that in mind, I may invest in funeral stocks. It will not be long before I hit pay dirt! You careless folks out there, make me rich!!!
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» agree completely...although for me it's either heroin or scuba drowning
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Posted by: Gravitas on Apr 10, 2008 9:55 AM
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Maybe we should also stop worshipping longevity! Or at least let the people who don't want to spend their entire lives obsessed with eaking out every last minute alone! They will save us in the long run!
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Apr 10, 2008 10:24 AM
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Part of the problem is while people will say they don't want to live forever, when faced with meeting the reaper most tend to ask the doctor what their options are to treat the disease they have.
The health care industry is more than happy to provide newer, more effective, more expensive treatments to anyone who will buy them. And we consumers are willing to take them as long as we can afford them, sometimes even if we can't because of our fear of death, and especially when we the individual isn't footing the bill.
Death is a natural process and extending life to the point that we are feeble, unable to move, and senile is just pointless and incredibly expensive.
In many ways, normal health insurance is bad, it encourages us to take as much as we can from the health care pot above and beyond what we put into it.
The same would be true with a single payer system unless it had some kind of caps.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be some kind of disaster insurance for people in car accidents or people who are unlucky and get cancer or some other disease at a young age.
But the expectation that we all have the right to live longer than the average no matter how we have treated our bodies, no matter our remaining quality of life, and no matter how much of a drain we are on others is selfish and greedy, every bit as greedy as the health care industry.
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Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Apr 10, 2008 3:08 PM
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http://www.whale.to/a/medical_mafia.html
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» RE: MEDIEVAL MEDICAL FASCISM..!
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Posted by: maggiem on Apr 10, 2008 4:11 PM
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While I am all in favor of preventive medicine, it doesn't save money.
The truth is that with good preventive care,
people live longer. And eventually, they still get sick and die. So they need more health care for more years.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Apr 10, 2008 4:14 PM
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The big questions in medicine over the next several decades are-
1)Does it work?(efficacy)
2)Does it harm? (is risk greater than benefit?)
But getting most patients to agree that more is not necessarily better in Medicine is no easy task. Especially in the US where the ethic of "more" is reflective of our immature culture. And yet where many citizens have "none".
We are beginning to see a growing percentage of patients start to realize that organized medicine(like organized religion)has essentially duped us Building on genuine,truly great achievements of the past they tell us we need more of the same.We don't. More of the same instead is backfiring.
As you and Reinhardt say the suppliers will not cease selling the benefits of their endless technolgies. But we are indeed on that part of the bio-medical technology curve where the benefits of new technologies are minimal to non-existant at best-harmful at worst-expensive always.
Paternalistic organized medicine has infantilized us into thinking we need more- we don't. Their telling us so is generally a cruel hoax.
We need to move away from our dependency mind set and just say "no"
We need to grow up.
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: maggiem on Apr 10, 2008 4:18 PM
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Social Security is not going broke. That is a myth spread by conservatives who would like to
get rid of it by privatizing it.
Medicare (completely separate funding) is running out of money. I will be posting about this on http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/the-coffee-house/ tomorrow.
And Medicare is going broke, not becaue the boomers are aging, but because it is covering too many new drugs, tests, procedures and treatments that are very, very expensive, and often not effective.
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» Sigh.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 10, 2008 5:59 PM
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it's a 70s sci-fi fantasy where folks are required to "beam up" at age 30...quite the message. i'm willing to give up my own life at 75 (or maybe even 70) to make way for the needier coming up. anyone else willing to end their life early as a "gift" to society?
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Apr 11, 2008 8:47 AM
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Try and find the Congressional Budget Office report and or go to C-span archive to see it explained by him of C-span Journal on which he was a quest to point this out..!
Of course the Only Solution is Single Payer Health Care and I will not Vote for Anyone that does not endorse or advocate Single Payer Health Care just like Bush and Cheney and Obama and Clinton both of them, and McCain and Pelosi have..!
If you do not demand Single Payer Health Care of these miserable examples for candidates for the presidency of the United States then you don't deserve it and you'll never get it..
Single Payer Health Care is a fundamental part and aspect of one of the reforms we need so desperately to save and modernize and strengthen our nation and serve it's people's best interest..
The others are to Nationalize the American Oil Companies, Nationalize our Airlines and Peg the Sub Prime Mortgages at 2-3% of the Fed Rate and or Prime lending rate so avert a housing and huge financial crisis..also set Federal Usery Rates at 18.9% and no higher an that for only the most extreme cases..!
If you saw George Soros on Charlie Rose last night who I often disagree with he for once recognizes what I have seen ans said for a long time that balance and moderation is required for a market system to function..!
In the tradition of John Stuart Mill who said at the end of his life I am a Democratic Socialist it is the best of both worlds but only for these Infrastructural assets..!
With these infrastructural modifications we could create an economic boom but the Republican fascist party does not want a strong vibrant middle class they want poor miserable workers who are under educated and live at a subsistence level and the Democrats are not much better to be honest about it...!
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 10, 2008 12:17 AM
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Spread the news ! But it won't go far with the tax cut crowd, the Health Care Industrial Complex and their media flunkies.
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Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 10, 2008 2:13 AM
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Posted by: talkville on Apr 10, 2008 2:52 AM
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We always fall for it: this System does not operate for the benefit of "the people"; it operates for the benefit of its Owners. Witness a publication like AARP, chock-full of Insurance ads (Life, mainly and other useful profit generators). It is for THEM and their sister institutions we exist. We are sadly deluded if we think otherwise. The Owners got us, again. Puffing, chugging and tripping along, as it has since the founding, the System still works just as planned.
Being an older curmudgeon, I say to this System: Hail Caesar! We who are dying Do Not Salute you!
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There are many examples, so let me just cite one: Cancer reduction. We could reduce our risks of 12 different forms of cancer dramatically by adequate sunshine exposure! (http://tompetrie.net/id8.html) Such adequate sunshine exposure could reduce our risk approx. 50 percent for breast, colon and prostate cancer! Why wasn't THIS in the major newspapers--AND accurately reported? We could reduce our risks of all major illnesses--even so called "chronic illnesses"--by better diets, more exercise, etc.
Part of the problem is that it is profitable to treat "chronic illnesses" but it is not profitable to make folks disease-free.
When Americans start to realize that it's the "free" things (or almost free things) that help them remain out of the system, then our health care costs will decrease. What do I mean?
--Avoidance of vaccinations in most cases
--Avoidance of microwave cooking
--Avoidance of drugs as much as possible (this is, after all, the third or fourth leading cause of death in America!)
--Avoidance of fluoride/fluoridated water (http://tompetrie.net/id6.html)
--Avoidance of refined/processed foods, fast-foods, white sugar, white flour, factory farmed meats/poultry, soda, etc.
--Regular exercise--when possible
--Adequate sleep
--Adequate exposure to sunshine
--Minimal exposure to electromagnetic radiation
--High intake of organic fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds, etc.
The real problem with our current "health care system" is that diet and prevention are given cursory, (if any) attention. Only profitable interventions and treatments get any significant attention.
There is a reason my medical expenditures (excluding the costs of organic foods and running shoes), have been practically zero for the previous 35 years: prevention. Prevention is also what helps to keep my clients healthy and typically free from potentially dangerous Rx meds.
Tom, Nutritionist
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Posted by: BBHOW on Apr 10, 2008 4:54 AM
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Another large area of concern is our shrinking workforce. As it was eloquently pointed out in the article, there are likely to be fewer and fewer health care professionals in the future, which will likely drive up inflation adjusted wages and hence health care spending. Much like our social security program needs to be administered with more care, so does whatever universal health care program that emerges(assuming there is one; fingers crossed). We must be sure to levy enough taxes to adequately fund the program so that when health care spending increases do come we have the ability to withstand and control the costs without cutting coverage, quality, or accessibility. We must not continue to pile financial burden on generations to come. I sincerely hope we are responsible as a society and do not allow this to happen.
-Brad, Actuary
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Apr 10, 2008 6:23 AM
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I am reminded of a story I heard years ago while the cold war was ongoing. An American was discussing the media with a Soviet citizen who noted that the Soviets were actually better off. His comment was that unlike the situation in America, Soviet citizens all knew that what they read in their newspapers were all lies.
Perhaps the hopeful trend in the U.S. is that we are all coming to understand that all the MSM is feeding us lies.
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Posted by: kb on Apr 10, 2008 6:30 AM
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 10, 2008 6:52 AM
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Look carefully behind the curtain whenever any "gloom and doom" predictors start their blabbing. You can usually find someone with an agenda.
Thank you, Alternet, for posting this article!
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 10, 2008 7:40 AM
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The author's premise, that with a little slight of hand a few power point slides we can turn a ~55-60 trillion dollar unfunded liability into no real biggie doesn't wash, and I can give you a trillion reasons why, in equal stacks of bout 57.
And that's just the medicare/social security portion that our aging baby boomers will require, if things continue as the presently are.
Bottom line: Taxpayers are now on the hook for a record $59.1 trillion in liabilities, a 2.3% increase from 2006. That amount is equal to $516,348 for every U.S. household. By comparison, U.S. households owe an average of $112,043 for mortgages, car loans, credit cards and all other debt combined.
Unfunded promises made for Medicare, Social Security and federal retirement programs account for 85% of taxpayer liabilities. State and local government retirement plans account for much of the rest. snip
You'd think after such bad press over accounting practices, governmentals would come clean with the books, and address how we are going to keep Medicare and Social Security in the business of still being there. We can be--rightly--miffed at Ken Lay and Enron (etc.), but we mostly shrug when our elected officials play with numbers in a way that puts the country on a collision course with reneging on its promises.
Yes, the author is correct in that gramps is probably not going to be responsible for that much of an increase in my HSA account, that fraud, waste, and abuse do contribute to my health care costs, that new, expensive pills are--often--not all that helpful. I disagree with him in the general area of medical technology--diagnostics and better patient education have led to some startling declines in the cancer rate in the nation--some of the first good news in many, many years, while (broadly) "pills/therapies" such herceptin (nothing but a gd monoclonal antibody) that cost billions to research and thousands of dollars to provide have extended the life span of a patient with a metastatic tumor by only an average of 4-6 months. Gleevec, which was touted to be a breakthrough cancer drug, appears only effective in treating a small number of liquid tumors, and eventual resistance of the tumor cells is common.
But I digress. None of those observations are capable of changing the laws of addition and subtraction. The author reminds us of Ken Lay, putting on a brave face and insisting that, "no reason to be uptight, everything is basically ok"...right up until the math caught up with him, and everyone else who owned Enron.
Folks, we own this nation, and we're going to be in the same situation as Enron shareholders when the math finally strikes, regardless of the platitudes offered.
It's time to stop denying our Medicare bills and Social Security liabilities and find a way to pay them, if we value the return they provide. There is indeed a crisis looming, and we have every right to be worried about what it will mean for our country.
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 10, 2008 7:42 AM
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Posted by: acers on Apr 10, 2008 8:04 AM
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It feels like a cop-out to move to a country with good, reasonable health care at my age, although I am of Swedish descent and could move. When I was younger, it would surely have been an option if I had known the mess this country would get into. But hindsight is just that,behind us. So I stick with it and support better health care whenever I can.
This country seems so much to believe in 'I've got mine, you can go jump in the lake, or whatever.' Social Solidarity...caring what happens to all of us. Even those who have fallen through the cracks. Maybe we'll evolve.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 10, 2008 8:20 AM
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As a country, we have the worst diet. This leads to a high incidence of heart disease, liver damage, diabetes, high blood pressure, cancer and other ailments. That's really what results in exploding medical bills for families as people age.
We also have a high level of exposure to air and water pollution, though here the separation is more along economic lines - industrial pollution is allowed in poor neighborhoods, but not in wealthy ones, although it all trickles down into the food and water supply that everyone relies on.
There are two solutions to the dietary problem, both difficult. One involves forcing the U.S. food and agribusiness industry to clean up its practices. Another involves getting American consumers to change their shopping and cooking practices. Cook grains, buy organic vegetables, and select protein sources carefully. Eat lower on the food chain, as well- it's better for you and for the environment. Buy food at farmer's markets and make a general rule not to buy any processed foodstuffs. Don't buy any food that's been imported into the country. That means big profit losses for Global Agri-Food Inc., but oh well.
The environmental pollution problem is equally massive, equally damaging to health, and can be harder to avoid. Any child living in a high-traffic area with diesel trucks runs a serious risk of developing asthma, for example. While a screen for environmental pollutants in the body (mercury, lead, pesticides, hormone mimics, arsenic, etc) should be a normal part of a yearly medical checkup, the chemical industry has worked overtime to prevent that from happening (see Bill Moyers: http://www.pbs.org/tradesecrets/)
Intergenerational bickering will do nothing to solve the problem. We need some basic institutions put in place, including a National Health Care System (after the British or Canadian or French systems) that includes pollutant screening and dietary counseling for patients.
The only question I have for the baby boomers is: what the hell happened? You started off with such wonderful dreams, and look what it turned into: Reaganomics and the rise of grotesque personal greed as the acceptable moral standard for public behavior. Hippies turned yuppies turned loyal system apparatchiks. Sure, a gross generalization, but it has a little bit of truth to it, doesn't it?
Overall population issues are a lot more complicated than most people are willing to admit. For example, see Putin calls for steps to end drop in population:
""Right," Putin answered. "The Defense Ministry knows what the main thing is. Really, I am going to speak about love, women, children" - the assembled officials applauded - "family, and Russia's most acute problem today: demography."
Putin then warned that Russia's population has been declining by almost 700,000 people a year.
The underlying data is grim. In 2004,for every 16 Russians who died, only 10.4 babies were born, according to the most recently available official data. And the average age of death for a Russian man was 58.9 years, far below other industrial nations and roughly two decades behind the average age at death of an American male."
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Posted by: xvictor on Apr 10, 2008 8:50 AM
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Move your ass a lot more. Patronize your local gym more often. cut down on the constant munchies while watching TV.
Simple things like the above will improve your quality of life and save you from ingesting a lifetime of expensive anti-cholesterol pills and other prescriptions and avoiding medical procedures like cutting you open to do heart surgery, etc. You'll also do the environment a big favor.
But most folks will not do these simple things. It takes a bit of will power to dissuage a lifetime of gluttony. With that in mind, I may invest in funeral stocks. It will not be long before I hit pay dirt! You careless folks out there, make me rich!!!
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» agree completely...although for me it's either heroin or scuba drowning
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Posted by: Gravitas on Apr 10, 2008 9:55 AM
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Maybe we should also stop worshipping longevity! Or at least let the people who don't want to spend their entire lives obsessed with eaking out every last minute alone! They will save us in the long run!
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Apr 10, 2008 10:24 AM
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Part of the problem is while people will say they don't want to live forever, when faced with meeting the reaper most tend to ask the doctor what their options are to treat the disease they have.
The health care industry is more than happy to provide newer, more effective, more expensive treatments to anyone who will buy them. And we consumers are willing to take them as long as we can afford them, sometimes even if we can't because of our fear of death, and especially when we the individual isn't footing the bill.
Death is a natural process and extending life to the point that we are feeble, unable to move, and senile is just pointless and incredibly expensive.
In many ways, normal health insurance is bad, it encourages us to take as much as we can from the health care pot above and beyond what we put into it.
The same would be true with a single payer system unless it had some kind of caps.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be some kind of disaster insurance for people in car accidents or people who are unlucky and get cancer or some other disease at a young age.
But the expectation that we all have the right to live longer than the average no matter how we have treated our bodies, no matter our remaining quality of life, and no matter how much of a drain we are on others is selfish and greedy, every bit as greedy as the health care industry.
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» 20.00 copay on top of 400.00 or more per month....
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Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Apr 10, 2008 3:08 PM
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http://www.whale.to/a/medical_mafia.html
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» RE: MEDIEVAL MEDICAL FASCISM..!
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Posted by: maggiem on Apr 10, 2008 4:11 PM
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While I am all in favor of preventive medicine, it doesn't save money.
The truth is that with good preventive care,
people live longer. And eventually, they still get sick and die. So they need more health care for more years.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Apr 10, 2008 4:14 PM
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The big questions in medicine over the next several decades are-
1)Does it work?(efficacy)
2)Does it harm? (is risk greater than benefit?)
But getting most patients to agree that more is not necessarily better in Medicine is no easy task. Especially in the US where the ethic of "more" is reflective of our immature culture. And yet where many citizens have "none".
We are beginning to see a growing percentage of patients start to realize that organized medicine(like organized religion)has essentially duped us Building on genuine,truly great achievements of the past they tell us we need more of the same.We don't. More of the same instead is backfiring.
As you and Reinhardt say the suppliers will not cease selling the benefits of their endless technolgies. But we are indeed on that part of the bio-medical technology curve where the benefits of new technologies are minimal to non-existant at best-harmful at worst-expensive always.
Paternalistic organized medicine has infantilized us into thinking we need more- we don't. Their telling us so is generally a cruel hoax.
We need to move away from our dependency mind set and just say "no"
We need to grow up.
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: maggiem on Apr 10, 2008 4:18 PM
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Social Security is not going broke. That is a myth spread by conservatives who would like to
get rid of it by privatizing it.
Medicare (completely separate funding) is running out of money. I will be posting about this on http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/the-coffee-house/ tomorrow.
And Medicare is going broke, not becaue the boomers are aging, but because it is covering too many new drugs, tests, procedures and treatments that are very, very expensive, and often not effective.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Apr 10, 2008 5:59 PM
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it's a 70s sci-fi fantasy where folks are required to "beam up" at age 30...quite the message. i'm willing to give up my own life at 75 (or maybe even 70) to make way for the needier coming up. anyone else willing to end their life early as a "gift" to society?
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Apr 11, 2008 8:47 AM
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Try and find the Congressional Budget Office report and or go to C-span archive to see it explained by him of C-span Journal on which he was a quest to point this out..!
Of course the Only Solution is Single Payer Health Care and I will not Vote for Anyone that does not endorse or advocate Single Payer Health Care just like Bush and Cheney and Obama and Clinton both of them, and McCain and Pelosi have..!
If you do not demand Single Payer Health Care of these miserable examples for candidates for the presidency of the United States then you don't deserve it and you'll never get it..
Single Payer Health Care is a fundamental part and aspect of one of the reforms we need so desperately to save and modernize and strengthen our nation and serve it's people's best interest..
The others are to Nationalize the American Oil Companies, Nationalize our Airlines and Peg the Sub Prime Mortgages at 2-3% of the Fed Rate and or Prime lending rate so avert a housing and huge financial crisis..also set Federal Usery Rates at 18.9% and no higher an that for only the most extreme cases..!
If you saw George Soros on Charlie Rose last night who I often disagree with he for once recognizes what I have seen ans said for a long time that balance and moderation is required for a market system to function..!
In the tradition of John Stuart Mill who said at the end of his life I am a Democratic Socialist it is the best of both worlds but only for these Infrastructural assets..!
With these infrastructural modifications we could create an economic boom but the Republican fascist party does not want a strong vibrant middle class they want poor miserable workers who are under educated and live at a subsistence level and the Democrats are not much better to be honest about it...!
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