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The Hypocrisy Gospel: Get Rich for Jesus?

Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Posted April 2, 2008.


How the religious right uses the 'prosperity gospel' to win foot soldiers and continue its culture war.

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Researcher Sarah Posner has been following the Religious Right for several years and writes a blog called The FundamentaList for the American Prospect. Her new book, God's Profits: Faith, Fraud, and the Republican Crusade for Values Voters (PoliPointPress, 2008) examines the role advocates of the "prosperity gospel" play in the Religious Right.

Posner talked recently with Church & State about her research and the status of the Religious Right today.

Church & State: Many people think of the prosperity gospel as a movement that attempts to link Christianity to hypercapitalism and the collection of wealth. You assert these ministries play a political role as well. What role does the prosperity gospel play in the Religious Right?

Posner: When George H.W. Bush was preparing to run for president in 1988, his evangelical advisor, Doug Wead, prepared a list of 1,000 "targets" -- religious leaders of influence worth courting for the votes of their followers. The list included a lot of names you'd expect -- Robertson, Falwell, and other household names, but also included some of the most prominent prosperity gospel evangelists, notably Kenneth Copeland and Paul Crouch, the head of the Trinity Broadcasting Network. The courting of these prosperity televangelists by politicians continues today, as we have seen Mike Huckabee touting his close relationship with Copeland, and John Hagee and Rod Parsley campaigning with John McCain. In tune with the Religious Right, they take ultraconservative positions on issues like abortion, gay marriage, separation of church and state, and other social issues, and actively encourage their followers to vote.

In your new book, God's Profits, you discuss Ohio pastor Rod Parsley, who has labored to make an impact on statewide politics. Parsley's favored candidate for governor, Ken Blackwell, was soundly defeated in 2006. Does this mean Parsley has lost political influence? What are his goals, and what are the chances he could become a national figure as well-known as the late Jerry Falwell?

It's certainly Parsley's goal to be a successor to Falwell. He proudly accepted an honorary doctorate from Liberty University last year. (Parsley doesn't even have an undergraduate degree, so this was quite an honor, to say the least). He has said he sees his Center for Moral Clarity, the political arm of his church, as the successor to Falwell's Moral Majority.

Certainly many observers thought Parsley's influence was on the wane after Blackwell was trounced in the 2006 gubernatorial race. And although Blackwell's defeat could be chalked up to other factors -- particularly the raft of corruption scandals plaguing Ohio Republicans -- there was a group of prominent moderate Republicans who came out against Blackwell because of his religion-baiting.

That said, Parsley's name is still on the tips of conservative tongues as a religious kingmaker in the race for the White House, and McCain campaigned with Parsley, whom he called a "spiritual guide," in Ohio in March.

A spate of new books asserts that the Religious Right is a spent force politically. What is your view? Have we truly entered a "post-Religious Right" America?

Many kingmakers on the Religious Right have seen their political influence wax and wane. Pat Robertson and James Dobson, for example, do not wield the cult of personality that they once did. Yet while the movement appears rudderless at the moment, literalist conservative Christianity runs very deep in our country. Although the public face of the movement is in transition, and many centrist evangelicals are striving to spread a less divisive message, the Religious Right's basic doctrine continues to resonate with a significant segment of the population. Because of the movement's organization, any new leaders who emerge over the next few years will have a formidable and well-funded political and media infrastructure to build on.

The continued survival of the Religious Right depends on the cultivation of a new generation of activists. In your chapter titled "Generation Next," you discuss efforts by Religious Right leaders to raise up a new generation. How successful have these efforts been?

Surely, polling data shows younger evangelicals less interested in focusing exclusively on gay marriage and abortion as hot button issues politically, and increasingly interested in combating global warming, alleviating poverty and ending the war in Iraq. Yet many of the Generation Next efforts among Religious Right organizations, such as Ron Luce's Teen Mania, focus on the Pentecostal/charismatic imperatives of personal purity and holiness, and getting tight with Jesus. It's hard to measure how many of the kids attending these events stick with it for the long term, but Luce often fills stadiums all over the country, and many charismatic churches (including prosperity gospel churches) dedicate many resources to youth outreach efforts.


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Lead ‘em round and round
Posted by: Lector on Apr 2, 2008 3:57 AM   
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You’d think all these people being led around by these mega-pastors living in their million-dollar homes and driving fancy cars would have learned by now.

The goal of all these mega-pastors in their million-dollar homes is to burn down that wall between Church and State.

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health-and-wealth
Posted by: kenhymes on Apr 2, 2008 4:59 AM   
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In church circles it's generally called, derisively, the "health-and-wealth" gospel. It's not a majority view among church folks in the US, by any means. It's counter to crucial aspects of modern Protestant thought. First, that God is interested in sacrificial love of other people, not in ritual purity or behavioral perfection (See Isaiah, Micah, and oh yeah, that Jesus guy) Part of the health-and-wealth formula is the idea that people are prosperous in proportion to their "moral" behavior and church involvement. This leads into the second problem the "prosperity gospel" holds for most of us Jesus followers: it's an attempt to buy grace. Protestant theology utterly rejects this - grace is free, works and love are in response to this grace, we can't earn it.

For those who want none of this religion in their lives, I respect you and salute your courage in speaking your minds, but let's be clear that the vast majority of Christians are either uncomfortable with the economic system but unsure what to do (like most of us), or actively seeking to disentangle themselves from its priorities (like many leftists in other ways). Others are more deeply into justice activism, in similar percentages to the population at large - in other words, nowhere near enough of us, but it's a start.

The arena filling pastors who are cited here are big, loud, successful, and crafty, but they represent a small slice of the tens of millions of committed Christians in the US, let alone the wide diversity of practice in the world as a whole.

Peace

Ken Hymes

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» Blab it and grab it Posted by: Philip Newton
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Prosperity gospel's been around for a long, long time
Posted by: Jasonix on Apr 2, 2008 5:23 AM   
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Believing that God will make you rich if you obey His commands and placate Him with costly sacrifices (most of these guys say you need to "tithe," i.e., give 10% of your gross income) is a form of magical thinking as old as hills. In fact, most anthropologists think that magic preceded genuine religion in human evolution. "Religion" is what happens when magic becomes a bit more refined, and starts to dwell on questions of the afterlife and creation of the cosmos.

The Roman Catholic Church, John Calvin, Eastern Orthodoxy, the Puritans, and a virtual list of Who's Who in Christian History have all resorted, in some form, to preaching the "Prosperity Gospel." A karma-based version of this crap is standard fare in Hinduism and Buddhism, where wealth and power are regarded as the just rewards of a past life. On the flip side, those who fail are being punished for their sins, whether in this life (the Christian version) or the last one (the Hindu/Buddhist version). While your typical clergyman in your local church may say he's appalled by the outrageous "get rich" preaching of the televangelists, watch closely and you're likely to see that he's preaching a more low-key version of the same thing. In the last couple years, I've heard three different Baptist ministers imply from the pulpit that if you give 10% of your income to the church, God will preserve your middle-class status.

It's how humans naturally tend to think - and in some cases, it has a certain truthiness. (The guy who is disciplined and able to delay gratification is the guy who's apt to get ahead, all things being equal.) But the problem is that it describes only a small portion of how wealth and poverty work. There are those who are wrecks because they ruined their own lives, but there is also a lot of injustice. When people start dwelling on the "prosperity gospel" version of things, they tend to forget about the injustices, and assume that the current state of affairs is purely due to individual virtue - all poor people are poor because they're lazy, all rich people are rich because God blessed them for their goodness.

In short, it's the wrong idea for a time like today. Keep these people are far away from power as possible.

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SARAH Posner: False Doctrine of Today
Posted by: bneely on Apr 2, 2008 5:58 AM   
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Your story is right on time. I would go as far as to say that the total of Chrisrainity And Jewish separation is based on the requirement of the leaders . Most of the the fundamentalist are crooks with very good oratory skills. I think it is time to rescue the Bible from those who literize their sermon, but live according tothe verbal understanding of today.

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Religion is an old, familiar scam
Posted by: Moonray on Apr 2, 2008 6:06 AM   
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Commenter Jasonix is correct. Organized religion probably began when some clever cave man realized he could control his fellow clan members by claiming to be able to communicate with a god or spirit. From there it was an easy step to begin accepting contributions of food, weapons, etc. in exchange for interceding with the god.

It's pretty clear now that the "religious impulse" is the result of neurosis -- anxiety caused by the stress of living in an uncertain and often hostile world. It's very easy to bilk people by offering them protection from the unknown. That's why Americans should demand an end to most of these practices. We should halt all tax exemptions for religious groups and severely restrict the ability of religionists to communicate via the mass media. (That will require amending the Constitution, but it needs to be done.)

Left unchecked, religionists will eventually take over the U.S. government -- they came very close under George W. Bush -- and blunder into a nuclear war. Unreason and illogic are as addictive as heroin and just as dangerous.

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Serving both God and Mammon?
Posted by: taxidriver on Apr 2, 2008 6:23 AM   
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I'm not a Biblical expert, but isn't there an injunction against serving two masters--God and Mammon? And didn't Christ say that it's easier to thread a camel through an eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven?

Christ says the "riches" of His way are not of this Earth. So why are all these "holy people" boasting about their wealth as a sign of God's favor? Talk about false prophets! I almost wish the Rapture would come soon, just to see the look on all those smug faces as they realize they're not among the Chosen.

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Why aren't the Libertarians fighting this mess?
Posted by: maxpayne on Apr 2, 2008 6:23 AM   
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Part of their platform involved keeping government out of religious affairs and yet they seem awfully silent.

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» Libertarians worship money! Posted by: war_on_tara
» pfft! Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Christianity is a business - Islam is the only true religion
Posted by: MikeOckhurtz on Apr 2, 2008 6:26 AM   
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There has never been a complete truth about Jesus, who he was, what he did. The bible is a book of fabricated half-truths, lies, and satanic worhip. It's a story told by men with the purpose of taking power over peoples lives. The modern evangelicals are the biggest liars in all of the history of Christianity. They call Jesus GOD and place him above God. They lie, distort the goodness of Jesus and make him out to be a warrior who will cut people's heads off. Jesus was a prophet, not God.

Islam is a true religion. In the Holy Koran all of the biblical stories are acknowledged. The Holy Koran has a true accounting of the facts regarding the history of Abraham, Jesus and the prophet Muhammad. Islam says there is only one God and no man is above him. Islam is a religion of peace, of kindness, of community, of care and sharing. Islam too has been used for evil purposes by many including the Taliban and Usama Bin Laden.

But, in comparing Christianity and Islam, Christianity is more like a violent plague or a virus while Islam is why light of the the world and it offers hope and truth and self acceptance under to love of God and the guidance of the Prophet Muhammad. That is why Islam is more sensible for the billions of people of the earth who choose the Holy Koran. I am a Catholic who has been considering Islam for a while and the more I know about the Holy Koran, the more it appears to me to be the only religion I need.

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Thank you Sarah and all of the bloggers
Posted by: paula.c on Apr 2, 2008 6:32 AM   
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who so clearly point this menace out. The Bible (Old Testament) is a very interesting story book. It's cautionary tales were meant to influence the people of the time to behave well or suffer the consequences.

To think that many of these 'holier than thou' preachers are living high off the hog is horrifying.

We need to move past the racism, prejudice and criminality of these hate mongers.

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It's Time To Pull The Plug on Tax Exemption
Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 2, 2008 7:21 AM   
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As a Christian and as an American I have no problem with a separation of church and state- in fact I see it as desirable. I feel that giving churches and vocational ministers tax-exempt status is also a mistake.

The prosperity preachers are nothing more than charlatans using the blind faith of the simple for their own greed and political ambition. They do not care about God or people seeking God.

As a healthcare worker it distresses me to see Church-owned( and tax exempt) hospitals that are hostile to worker organization and are abandoning needy people and neighborhoods while chasing suburbanites with insurance- all the while claiming to be a 'ministry'. Give me a break.

I'm tired of churches that own shopping malls, publishing houses, commercial real estate and such and applying tax-exempt to their commercial enterprises. I'm tired of the practice of ordaining all adult members as 'ministers' for the purpose of income tax evasion by the entire membership that some denominations practice.

The way to clean up the church is to take the money out of it. The way to clean up politics is to take the church and it's money out of it. Rod Parsley, et al would be buying a lot less air time if they had to pay taxes on their megachurches and mega holdings. TBN would collapse overnight lacking the resources to pay taxes on the market value of their TV operations. Bott Radio and other thinly veiled tools of the Repugnicans would suffer a similar quick death.

Sounds like a very good idea to me.

When Jesus Christ was asked if His followers should pay taxes, the answer provided was to pay taxes. Why should it be any different today?

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Christians are Anointed with Oil and Communists!
Posted by: garry minor on Apr 2, 2008 7:30 AM   
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Acts 2:44-47
All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to everyone as he had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those that were being saved.
Acts 4:32-35
All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned houses or sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.
In 1936 a Polish Anthropologist named Sula Benet discovered that in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament the Word "kaneh bosm" had been translated as calamus by the Greeks when they first rendered the Books in the 3rd century B.C., and then propagated from the Greek in future transalations as Hebrew ceased to be a spoken language and was not revived until the 1800's. The Greeks used calamus as an aphrodisiac and stimulant, its active chemical asarone is a precursor for the psychedlic MDMA, ecstasy. Benet claimed through substantial research and etymological comparison the proper translation for "kaneh bosm" is cannabis. In 1980 the Hebrew Institute of Jerusalem confirmed her claim that "kaneh bosm" is indeed cannabis.
In Exodus 30:23 God instructs Moses to use 250 shekels of "kaneh bosm" in the oil to anoint all Kings, Priests, and Prophets, for all generations to come, including that of Jesus and even today as the title Christ/Messiah means literally covered in oil, Anointed. Kaneh is also listed as an incense tree in Song of Songs 4:14. The mistake was repeated in Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, and Ezekiel 27:19. There are 141 references to anointing and 145 for burning incense in the standard Bible.
1 John 2:18-29 tells of this anointing and says it teaches us all things, and that this anointing is real and not counterfeit. The word antichrist means literally "opposed too or against anointed." John the Baptist said that he baptized with water but Jesus would baptize with fire and the Holy Spirit. The Gnostic Gospel of Philip says; "There is water in water, there is fire in Chrism." And again; "The Chrism is superior to baptism, for it is from the word "Chrism" that we have been called "Christians," certainly not from the word baptism. And it is because of the word "Chrism" that the Christ has his name."
THC is clinically proven to destroy tumors, prevent Alzheimers, and promote the growth of brain cells. In Canada and Europe it is being used to treat Alzheimers, MS, epilepsy, autism, chronic pain, nausea, obesity, diabetes, depression, arthritis, migraine, cystic fibrosis, tuberculosis, lupus, herpes, asthma, emphysema, Parkinsons, Huntingtons, Tourettes, Crohns disease and more. Its seed is the single most nutritious thing you can eat.
Anything made from oil, coal, timber, or cotton can be made ecologically friendly with cannabis hemp. All paper, plastics, paints, varnishes, fuels, lubricants, textiles, insulations, plywood, structural components, many cosmetics, and health foods, over 25,000 known products. Canvas is Dutch for cannabis.
It is the botanical Messiah!
For over 1500 years the Truth of Kaneh bosm has been hidden. For seventy years, unknown to us, Gods Holy Oil and the Tree of Life have been illegal. By the looks of things I'd say its time to open our eyes, remove the curse, and bring the Tree of Life back into our lives for food, fuel, shelter, medicine, pleasure, spirituality, and unity!
Christians are Anointed Ones!

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Good article
Posted by: Philip Newton on Apr 2, 2008 7:33 AM   
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Remarkably free of the anti-Christian bias so prevalent here, and accurately noting the move of millions of Evangelicals away from Rightist politics.

The earliest and most sincere criticism of the "prosperity churches" has come from within the Evangelical community, which finds the whole concept to be a preposterous heresy.

Here's to a successful Charles Grasley.

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Wealth and righteousness
Posted by: zeofredo on Apr 2, 2008 7:32 AM   
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The attitude which equates wealth with righteousness didn't just spring up in America recently. It has taken generations of coercion by clerical institutions to have advocated a conflicted and problematic form of citizenship: first, the acceptance of the divine right of leaders, which shouldn't be questioned (ie. non-involvement); and conversely, the importance of lobbying for your pet project and acting on your moral beliefs (ie. selective involvement). This results in one of those specifically American conundrums: the promotion of an idea such as the sanctity of life applying only to the situation in utero, but not to the lives of 'enemies' or adult soldiers.

In addition, the attitude toward personal finance and religious belief presents some interesting similarities. To name one: the idea of credit as a form of belief in the afterlife. Think about it: we live more in anticipation of a future when debts are paid down (or, as is currently the fashion, are written off) than in full consciousness of the present moment which is interpreted as being a transition to redemption. The idea of redemption or forgiveness is a convenient loophole which we count on and consciously manipulate in order to enjoy our innate tendencies to do as we please anyway, regardless of morality.

In this sense, for all its troubling doctrines, the Islamic faith is far more consistent and honorable than American Christianity. A Muslim cannot 'buy' his* way out of trouble the way Christians so often do with confessions, etc., and there are also limits to the extent of wealth that is to be enjoyed by adherents of that faith.

I'm not a religious person myself, but I admire those who define an ideal of behavior and try to stick with it for a lifetime. The degeneracy of modern Christianity is so deeply embedded and ignored by its followers, on the other hand, that there is no moral ground for them to stand on. The vile prophecies of Hagee and others find resonance because they speak to individual, self-preserving instincts rather than the neighborly, compassionate precepts originally set down by Christ.

Gore Vidal notes some of the poignant hypocrisies evident in the early Christian church in his excellent historical novel, 'Julian'. We have been finessing these same hypocrisies for more than two millenia now... the longest-running PR gig of all time!

*(I'll keep it strictly masculine here!)

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Christ vs Christianity
Posted by: purereason on Apr 2, 2008 7:36 AM   
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Human societies tend to degrade when they depend on their own systems to manage life because we are born according to a System that some called the Truth- in China they called it the Tao. The System of God/Truth is the only intelligent one for us to manage life. Sanity disappears when we build empires in violation of our relationship with the System because everything that belongs to the System can have the best expression only when nourished by the System. There is present in the World that belongs to the System the moral force that guides this System. All stars, planets, other animals except the human beings are guided by this moral force. We do not belong to that intellectually and emotionally because we have been alienated by the religious faiths that have taken hold of our consciousness. Even when we break away from these silly faiths we develop our sensibility in opposition to them. Religious faiths are the abortions of spirituality as spirituality can be had only by belonging to the System of Truth/Tao. Mostly we do not show that as we have been taken away by various empires that have taken hold of the civilization. The alienating factors are arts of culture, religious faiths, ideologies, economies,....

Since the moral force of the System is active in the whole world, the World of Reality (it excludes our worlds) any individual can regain relationship with the System if one can regain the state of consciousness. The real mind is not influenced by our products as it belongs to the System. Those who regained their true identities were the ones who spoke of the Truth- Zoroaster, Buddha, Christ, Mohammad, and in recent times Gandhi.

When Christianity was developed it gave importance to unverifiable statements. For example, Christ can carry the sins of mankind. This really violates honesty in life as the faith saves the criminal from moral accountability. The Iraq war is the product of this moral shift. What Christ demanded was living in conformity with the System to which we are born- the final state of human existence after our toying with our own faiths and empires. Mankind can survive only if it manages life in relationship with the intelligent System of Life, only then we show the real intelligence.

This is true of Islam, Mohammad was demanding life based on our relationship with the System of Truth. For knowing the knowledge that belongs to the System one does not need any formal education. (Islam attributes the knowledge to an angel. There is no questioning.) The plants, animals, stars,... all get it. The mind at this level is at its 'pure' state, 'pure' means not influenced by our reasoning, but belonging to the reasoning of the System. So the mind at its absolute human level, the soul state, is guided by 'Pure Reason', the reasoning of the System. For more visit my site Pure Reason

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I'll add that
Posted by: donl51 on Apr 2, 2008 10:01 AM   
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to another good reson to be athiest!

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All religions have been about power and control. In today's world
Posted by: thekidde on Apr 2, 2008 10:12 AM   
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money is power and fear is control. Hence, the Osteens, Robertsons, etc. who grub for money and tell their followers that everyone else is going to hell come the rapture. Fuck 'em and their imaginary gods.

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When??
Posted by: Doubtom on Apr 2, 2008 11:20 AM   
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When will we send these fat tubs of lard to prison where they belong fro bilking the people. The photo of this spittle and foam laden con artist is enough to make anyone retch. How can his followers be so damn ignorant and is it really necessary to share the world with such ignoramuses? Ian't there a virus or bacteria that feeds exclusively on this type of ass-----? I mean where is the balance that nature shows everywhere else?

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Paul
Posted by: Bigioni on Apr 2, 2008 2:11 PM   
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"The Hypocrisy Gospel" is right on. Some alternet stuf is just thoughtless Christian bashing, but this one is cogent and persuasive. The whole idea of blessed wealth is a very old one. It's the old "Protestant work ethic" nonsense that came from Max Weber and others. Then as now, the notion that wealth was a sign of God's favour was used to justify gross income inequality. In the past, poverty was proof of one's inadequacy. This was the thinking behind much of the eugenics movement, and we know where that leads: poor suckers get sterilized or exterminated (depending upon whether they live in West Virginia or Germany) to strengthen the gene pool. If wealth means God loves you, then you had better watch out for the deadly corollary - God's out to get you if you're poor! It does not appear to matter that this is starkly contradictory to the Christian gospel message.

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Name-It-and-Claim-It, Prosperity Gospel, Laws of Attraction/Secret, all the same
Posted by: DaBear on Apr 2, 2008 2:14 PM   
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These are all bullshit propaganda products of the Owning class' privilege cult. As such it needs to be understood so as to utterly destroy it as a cancer in the body politic. Never look your opponent in the eye, deprive them of their ability to mesmerize you and they'll have no power over you.

That's what's missing here... the class dimension that underlies it all. It's a relief to hear a few progressives that understand the nature of the Xtian fundie cult and do not underestimate it or dismiss it. They're still here and they still hold all the power. When they wane from the spotlight, that's the time to drag their ass into the alley and eliminate them. (well politically anyway, even fuckheads deserve to live)

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Jesus gets another type of rewrite
Posted by: PaulK on Apr 2, 2008 5:21 PM   
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The first rewrite was to please a Roman Emperor. Jesus said that all who live by the sword shall surely die by the sword. A careful rewrite said that you should die for Jesus by living by the sword. This pleased the Roman Emperor, who needed cannon fodder, er, sword fodder.

This second rewrite is to please corporatists and the worshipers of coins. Jesus said that disciples should only take two garments and one pair of sandals (in a warm land). A careful rewrite said that you should honor Jesus by dressing in silk suits and driving a black Caddy or better to the gigs. This pleased the fabulously wealthy, who need ignorant twits to work their lives away for Wal-Mart, part-time or temporary around Christmas.

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Religion's temptation is superstition.
Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 2, 2008 7:32 PM   
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I trust that those who question and even ridicule the examples of superstition that pass for religion realize that they are doing good for religion. Human superstition is not limited to religion. It is a behavior we share with most animal species, including birds.

Religion's job is to cope with the unknown. As a consequence, that search is very vulnerable to distortions. But no one is free from the unknown, especially insofar as we try to anticipate the future. The claims to be able to control the future exist not only in religion but in finance and all forms of gambling. Even science, insofar as it is motivated by the desire to control the future, is liable to abuse.

Our founding documents made clear that mixing politics and religion often created problems. Any preacher who attempts to tell his congregation how to vote must not be doing his job. If they do not know from the teachings what is best for our communities, then they need to take a look at what is being taught.

In my experience, the religious communities I have learned about respect the separation of church and state. But the temptations will always be there, as they are for superstition.

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Satan's sin began with CAPITAL - part one
Posted by: kogwonton on Apr 2, 2008 7:50 PM   
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How many Christians understand this? These verses are commonly understood to be an allegory about the fall of Satan, although it is speaking to the king of Tyre:

Ezekiel 28: 11-19

The word of the Lord came to me: "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says:

"You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God: every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones, you were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the Earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.'"

It should be understood that this description of the King of Tyre describes one who holds the office of PRIEST. He was anointed. He was a 'covering cherub' in which 'covering' denotes the office of priest through which interaction between God and Man is conducted. He was adorned with EVERY precious stone. The High priest of Israel wore a vestment called the 'Ephod' upon which were mounted twelve stones - ruby, topaz, beryl, turquoise, diamond, jacinth, agate, jasper, emerald, onyx, jade, and sapphire. Compare the descriptions and it will be difficult to deny that the king of Tyre was also ORDAINED as a PRIEST - as a mediator between God and Man.

Those verses are what most people remember. Should anyone take the trouble to read Ezekiel ch. 27 and 28 completely, they will find that it was COMMERCE which corrupted the heart of the 'devil' (please remember that I'm speaking to Christians here). Throughout chapter 27 you will see a listing of all the nations that traded with Tyre, and of all the commodities and luxuries which were traded, leaving Tyre the wonder of the world in terms of wealth and power.

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Bobby Decker
Posted by: Bobby Decker on Apr 3, 2008 7:25 AM   
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BEING THE LENNY BRUCE OF MY GENERATION.....I SAID IT OVER 20 YEARS AGO IN MY ALBUM { SAVED BY ZERO } " THERS MORE MONEY THAN MORALITY FOR YOU TO FIND IN THE CHURCH OF THE REPUBLICAN MIND "......I WAS THE FIRST TO OUT THE PTL CLUB PEOPLE WITH THE GODS TOY VANITY LICINSE PLATE ON THEIR NEW BMW IN THE 80S........
EVEN HAVE A TITLE FOR THE BOOK INSPIRED BY THEIR PTL CLUB MORALITY..... { THE STRATGIC CHRISTIAN......HOW TO GROW RICH AND PROSPER IN THE ERA OF LINE ITEM VETO MORALITY

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We'll All Be
Posted by: rsmohio on Apr 3, 2008 10:51 AM   
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lucky if those looking for signs and wonders continue to spend their time doing that. We'll be even luckier if they spend election day this way and don't vote. Look what we got last time they voted.

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Many of the names of preachers
Posted by: drfun on Apr 4, 2008 12:23 AM   
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mentioned in the article, have financial connections with the Rev Moon's Unification Church racket.
My interpretation of reading the Bible related to wealth is to "Live simply, so others can simply live", along with the multitude of humble verses within its pages as well as other religions philosophical literature.
What's difficult to comprehend is how can a "Christian" vote republican, be pro-life and pro-war at the same time, who support a liar and cheat like the Bu$h cabal.
The influence these people hold to channel the mis-guided policies of their organizations and our recent government administration is phenomenal.
If their idea of the End Times were to happen, it would be a treat to see that these self professed could not fit through the needle's eye.
But me thinks being labeled as a "Useless Eater" my name on the FEMA list will have been called long before.

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Wrong Angle of Attack
Posted by: Dboy on Apr 5, 2008 8:11 AM   
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The real problem here is that god does not actually exist. Once you choose to abandon rational thought, you lose the one thing that makes humans "better" than the lower apes. Give up on rational thought and you'll end up with things like the money-gospel. And what better place than the USA to get god and greed together on a sunday morning?

dboy

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I'd Walk a Mile for Camel
Posted by: jmmartin on Apr 5, 2008 11:39 AM   
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Didn't Jesus say, "A rich man will no sooner enter the Kingdom of Heaven than a camel shall pass through the eye of a needle"? How do the super rich pastors deal with that one?

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Division of Labor
Posted by: talkville on Apr 6, 2008 2:20 AM   
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Ever since the days of Calvin there has been a division of labor between those philosophers and intellectuals (originally feudal landowners and leisurely aristocrats and noblemen) of the Political Economy in their theorizing of the State. Their task? Teach Greed and Self-interest. And Calvin and its variants? Teach justifications and excuses for Greed to salve and fortify and improve the Conscience.

And always to exalt and glorify a non-existent God and to diminish and crush an existent humanity.

Then it was God that was proudly brought forth for these tasks; today it is the Idea and Idealism. In either case, these toilers in teaching and justification are worshipers of Death and what they profess as the "love of mankind" is precisely the antithesis of such a sentiment.

The 'prosperity', and 'improvement of the Good Life and Leisure' these pulpit screamers teach is their own and not a God's or a Congregation's. They live well and fine as they teach their asceticisms of Cross Bearing to Others and incite the instincts to, not temporarily or provisionally or proportionally, but eternally and timelessly take, accumulate, appropriate and ravenously accumulate from Nature and Others. The task of Greed in the service of a Feared and Punishing and Merciless non-existent God and Idea.

Hypocrites? To begin with. Any investigations into the psyches and emotions of people like this would be a most courageous and hazardous experience! Those whose deepest and darkest desires are for Death and Killing, Desert Ascetics of myriad Techniques are, well, interesting specimens of this great diversity of human organisms populating this planet.

There are many. But one must be equitable: there are also many similar analogues to be found in the more secular parts of societies.

Humans! we have a long, long way to go yet.

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