Home
Archive
Newsletters
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise

Food Bills Getting You Down? Try Dumpster Diving

By Nicole McClelland, AlterNet. Posted April 1, 2008.


If you're disgusted with our culture of waste, wasting resources, wasting money, then swallow your pride and start sifting through supermarket trash.

Share and save this post:

      

      

Share on Facebook       

AlterNet Social Networks:
follow us on twitter
find us on Facebook

In Special Coverage

Belief:
Are the "New Atheists" As Bad as Christian Fundamentalists?
Frank Schaeffer

Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace:
How a Public Jobs Program Could Put America Back on Track
Julianne Malveaux

DrugReporter:
Pot Is More Mainstream Than Ever, So Why Is Legalization Still Taboo?
Steven Wishnia

Environment:
Why We Need Bees and More People Becoming Organic Beekeepers
Makenna Goodman

Food:
The Raw Milk Revolution: Behind America's Emerging Battle Over Food Rights
Makenna Goodman

Health and Wellness:
New York May Stop Heartless Health Insurers from Dropping Coverage When It Stops Being Profitable
William Ehart

Immigration:
NYC Marathon Raises Question of Who Is American Enough?
James E. Johnson, Jr.

Media and Technology:
Focusing on Fort Hood Killer's Beliefs Is an Easy Out to Avoid the Deeper Reasons for the Massacre
Mark Ames

Movie Mix:
The Yes Men: Pranksters Out to Fix the World
Mark Engler

Politics:
What Michelle and Barack's Marriage Has in Common with 56 Million Other Ones
Annabelle Gurwitch

Reproductive Justice and Gender:
Fetus-Shaped Potatoes? Going Undercover Inside the Weird World of Right-Wing Abortion Foes
Ann Neumann

Rights and Liberties:
"My Kids Want to Hide Their Identity; They're Scared Someone Will Attack Us": U.S. Muslims Being Targeted
Jaisal Noor

Sex and Relationships:
Instant Sex: Has the Digital Age Destroyed Relationships or Made Them Better?
Vanessa Richmond

Take Action:
G-20 Meetings: Nothing Much Happened in the Suites, and There Was Too Much Punch in the Streets
Laura Flanders

Water:
Why Natural Gas Is Not a Clean Energy Panacea
Stan Cox

World:
With Unemployment at 40 Percent, Afghan Teens Enlist in Army, Police
Lal Aqa Sherin

More stories by Nicole McClelland

Advertisement
Upcoming AlterNet stories on Digg

It's dark outside, as it tends to be past midnight, and unseasonably warm but raining. Though it was my idea to be parked behind Trader Joe's, scoping out the dumpster, I didn't really want to come; I'm kind of lazy in general, and specifically nervous right now, and it's so much easier to just make a list and go buy groceries in a sheltered, lighted shopping facility where you are guaranteed to both find what you want and avoid police harassment.

My nerdiness is showing: Before we get out of the car, I turn to my partner in crime and ask, "What's the plan?"

Dan looks at me. I've heard about dumpster diving, and read about dumpster diving, but in conversations and articles that seemed to identify it as the pursuit of anarchists and gutter punks --nothing that served as a guide for upwardly mobile middle-class squares. A few weeks ago, though, some hippie Dan went to high school with mentioned she was going to Trader Joe's to score for free the very same foodstuffs we paid good money for. It was just as good, just as edible and sanitarily packaged, and it didn't cost $100 a week if it just came out of the trash, she said. We felt like suckers.

"You're gonna get in there and grab the shit," Dan says. He starts laughing at me, like, what do I mean what's the plan? When I still don't make a move, he says, "Now ... break!"

We walk to the dumpster across the parking lot, but no one's around, and no one suddenly appears and starts yelling, as I'm for some reason expecting. We're in the kind of upscale outdoor mall complex where dumpsters are surrounded by gates, but the kind of gates that serve cosmetic rather than security purposes and give way easily when pushed. So just like that, I'm standing in front of a giant metal trash receptacle, one taller than me, with a chest-high opening in it. I quickly and incorrectly assess it, deciding that I can approach my objective from the outside and just reach in to gingerly lift the goods out.

My dreams of clean and easy die quickly; the dumpster is less than a quarter full, and I can't get hold of anything but piles of discarded shrink-wrap. "I don't think there's any food in here, pal," I say, disappointed, but maybe a bit relieved. I'm about to advocate giving up and going home when I pull out a cardboard box containing three sealed bags of perfectly comestible banana chips. "Except how there's food right here."

Picking up that first handful of free groceries is a bit like Christmas, exciting, enchanting. I hadn't known what I was going to get, so I hold the goods out in front of me for inspection. And here it is, my favorite kind of present: something I want and can actually use. I feel satisfied and, absurdly, a little proud. I planted some initiative, and it is bearing fruit, sliced, deep-fried, hermetically sealed pieces of fruit. I grab the sides of the window into the dumpster and climb in.

It wasn't an especially big throw-away day at the store, but I stand shin-deep amid the waste with a snake light wrapped around my neck, tearing open huge clear plastic garbage bags and examining their contents for salvageable eats. A sweet pepper, a dented tub of chocolate chip cookies, yes. A package of precooked sausages leaking juice out of a hole in the package, no. Half-pound hunks of somewhat moldy Monterey Jack cheese, sure. I sink my cotton-gloved hands into some items wet and unsavory-busted salsa containers, broken eggs, smashed bananas, while rain drips through the crack in the two-piece lid above my head. Liquid soaks into my socks: milk, I think, from the layer of discarded half-gallon cartons lining the bottom of the dumpster.

"This is actually a little grosser than I thought it was going to be," I say, as, even though I earlier pictured myself standing in a giant trash bin, I never actually considered the tactile details. I work out a system, sifting thoroughly through one corner first and then tossing bags into it after I clear it for items I want, which I hand to Dan. Nobody comes by. Nobody asks us what the hell we think we're doing. Half an hour after we parked the car, we walk back to it with seven plastic bags full of food. We go home, unload our groceries, just like we would after any other trip, and take showers, unlike we would after any other trip. We eat some garbage cookies, and go to bed.

It was a lucrative score: two bananas, one half-gallon of organic 2 percent milk, two prepared and packaged Asian-style noodle salads with ginger cilantro lime dressing, one red pepper, one orange pepper, one package prewashed salad, one package Asian stir-fry mix, one package organic mini chocolate chip cookies, one prepared and packaged chef salad, one prepared and packaged Greek salad, one prepared and packaged chicken Caesar salad, one sausage and roasted tomato pizza, one package sliced white mushrooms, six apricots, two bags cocktail tomatoes, three carrot and ranch dip snack packs, a half a pound of ginger, 1.5 pounds petite Yukon gold potatoes, 1 pound green olives, 1.5 pounds eggs, 1.5 pounds Monterey Jack cheese, 3 pounds California minneolas, 5 pounds clementines, 2 pounds rainbow carrots, three packages banana chips, one package fresh basil, 24 roma tomatoes, one package fat-free crumbled feta, one prepared and packaged fresh mozzarella and focaccia sandwich, two mixed flower bouquets, one bouquet Gerber daisies, and one dozen rainbow roses.

The next morning, Dan is already making cheese omelets and fried potatoes with our booty when I saunter out of bed. At lunch, we split the focaccia sandwich (after we scraped the mold off the mozzarella), and I invent a banana, apricot, and clementine smoothie. As I walk around our apartment, abloom with fresh flowers, I feel unusually fulfilled by the glass of dairy and pulp in my hand. It's not like I grew the fruit. Still, I've come by it by slightly more industrious means than grocery shopping, and I can't wait for the impending week of garbage dinner.

The USDA says Dan and I each eat almost 5 pounds of food every day, but more than enough food gets tossed in the United States for us to scavenge from: about 100 billion pounds annually, in fact, enough to also feed the entire great states of California and New York, more than a sixth of the entire population of the country. Retailers are responsible for some 70 percent of that waste, $30 billion worth. Even recovering just 5 percent of American food waste would feed the whole of New Zealand for a day. And if heartbreaking resource squandering isn't a compelling enough reason to dumpster dive, there's thriftiness. If you're like most Americans, you spend about 13 percent of your income on eating -- and environmental impact. In 2006, more than 12 percent of total municipal solid waste was food. And if you have neither hippie sensibilities, nor pocketbook constraints, nor a soul, how about good old-fashioned economic sense: putting said food into landfills costs taxpayers $50 million a year.

All things considered, the arguments for dumpster diving seem stronger than any against it. Though some cities and states have passed laws criminalizing it (it's not a federal offense, as the Supreme Court ruled in 1988 that searching and seizing garbage isn't prohibited), and the fact that our particular dumpster lives inside a fence means accessing it probably requires trespassing, cops don't generally patrol my grocery store parking lot at night, and I'd be surprised if I couldn't sweet-talk or run my way out of an incident with any officer bored enough to instigate one. There's also the concern, voiced by many of my friends, that food from a dumpster could be bad for you. Indeed, Dan has to drink half a glass of the milk and exhibit no signs of disaster for 20 minutes before I'm convinced it's safe. And all week, for about an hour after I eat, a small portion of my consciousness inadvertently waits for regrets. But we've got bright bouquets and a huge vat of homemade salsa and a mushroom, tomato, and cheese quiche and crazy smoothies and stir-fried vegetables over noodles, and it was all made possible, free of charge, by trash picking. I have only one concern at the end of the first week of eating garbage, and it's that I didn't take as much as I should have.

When we return the next week, we're like cool, regular shoppers, except that we're freezing -- 150 miles north of us, the sky is dumping a foot of snow on Cleveland. Still, we're not just grabbing madly, enthusiastic but directionless rookies. We have a running conversation about what I've picked up and how we can use it before we take it or I chuck it behind me. I'm neither hurried nor worried, and we score fruits and vegetables and already-mashed potatoes and a potted purple orchid and waffles and chai spice cookies and frozen chicken masala, among other things. We're thoughtful and thorough, and it's 45 minutes before I start to climb back out, tired and accomplished. Not that it's all glamorous. When Dan says, "Watch out for rats," I yell at him for freaking me out, but I am most certainly immersed in the habitat of disease-prone rodents. When I do jump out, it's right onto the ground, right onto my ass when my feet slide out from under me because the pavement is covered in ice. Like last time, we can't find a parking space in our complex when we get back to our apartment because we live in a busy downtown district and it's club-going time on a Friday night. We run the garbage groceries, which for some reason are coated in the smell of trash this time, a block to our building and then up four flights of fire escape to our door. My fingers are that obnoxious biting pain that just precedes numbness, since I buried them in several unidentified stinky wet stuffs, and the wind is cutting across them now as they grip the plastic bags. Everything needs to be washed -- the cellophane on the cheese, the box of waffles -- to get the reek off, and we crack open a box of baking soda and put it in the back of the fridge, hoping it'll help restore appetizingness to our food. It's 2 a.m. by the time we've put everything away, mopped the kitchen floor, rolled my malodorous tomato-and-roasted-red-pepper-soup-splattered clothes into a ball before reluctantly throwing them in with the rest of our laundry, and cleaned ourselves up. I soaked in the bathtub for half an hour to get the cold -- which seeped in during the 40 minutes we had to kill wandering around the shopping center while waiting for the employees to finally leave, the time I spent wallowing in trash, and the additional carry back to the apartment -- out of my system. Lying there, my wrist throbbing from having used it to break my fall on the ice, I felt exhausted and dirty and not a little discouraged.

My socioeconomic surroundings are showing: When my father calls and asks me what I was doing last night and I say, "Dumpster diving," he says, "For what?" And when I say, "For food," there's nothing but silence. Then, as if he hasn't heard me: "What?" My best friend came over a few days earlier and complained that she was hungry. "Do you have any delicious food?" she asked, then reconsidered. "That you haven't gotten out of the garbage?" And yeah, some of the food in our fridge has to be picked free of mold before it can be eaten, and the Jack cheese has a stink that (a) makes me uncomfortable and (b) doesn't want to come off my hands. (Ultimately, we decide to re-toss it.) Yeah, we could have been arrested. Yeah, we could get food poisoning, or rabies. But when we roll out of bed late the morning after our second dive, the apartment smells fine, and we fix a breakfast of trash waffles and bananas before sitting down to make a list of groceries we still need. We consider our loot. We can make havarti, rice, and broccoli casserole. Spinach quesadillas with cheddar, mushrooms, and sauteed sweet peppers, with homemade salsa. Mashed sweet potatoes or sweet potato chowder. Warm green bean and tomato salad. Stir fry. Banana smoothies. We've recovered an entire apple pie. We figure our meal plan four different ways, and have so much food left over that we freeze some. When we finish the list of groceries we have to buy for two people for a whole week, it contains exactly five items.

Before we started dumpster diving, Dan pointed out that it would probably change our eating habits. I like to make enchiladas, for example, but it's unlikely that beans, rice, cheese, tomatoes, onions, and tortillas are all going to happen into the dumpster at the same time. I wouldn't normally eat carrots and ranch dip for breakfast, or salad for dessert, but the organizing principle of our diet has changed from "What do I want to eat?" to "What do I have? What can I make with it?" -- a much more traditional (and at the same time ultramodern, as eating local has come back into fashion) type of interaction with food. Once, when we were working on an organic farm in the South Pacific, the owner told us that if we were true ecologists, we would during the feijoa season eat only feijoas, the little green fruits that his orchard was showering us with. Like then, I won't now make such extreme compromises -- I refuse, for example, to live without milk or olive oil, so we spend $20 at the grocery store that week.

Still. We could be spending $0 on food by harvesting waste, and even with my unwillingness to make stir fry instead of cereal for breakfast, in just two trips we saved hundreds of dollars. We ate things we never would have, got creative with our menus, kept 60 pounds of edible "garbage" out of a landfill.

Dumpster diving is another one of those things that I should do for both money and the environment's sake, like buying only used clothes or not taking long, hot showers. It's kind of like going to the gym: You never want to, but after you have, you feel like you've really achieved something. The next week, though, the snow comes south and hard. Then soon after that, I get a new job and move, and the dumpsters in my neighborhood are inside garages I can't get into, and I work a lot of overtime, and I have a litany of other excuses for not salvaging groceries anymore (as I do for not taking short, cold showers). It's another way that I'm part of the culture of waste, wasting resources, wasting money.

Standing at the sink one day in my trash-eating time, I had a moment of characteristic grace in which I somehow tossed the quiche I was holding down the garbage disposal. I cursed, then threw down my dish towel, and then my shoulders. Dan, sensing a tantrum, rushed into the kitchen from the other room. "It's OK, pal," he said. "It was from the garbage anyway." True. But I couldn't believe I'd done it, just like I can't believe restaurants and grocery stores around the country so recklessly and wildly dump whole analogous quiches down the metaphorical drain every second. Like I feel a little ridiculous shopping at Trader Joe's when I know that for every four tomatoes I once took out of the dumpster, I left four dozen.

That one time, there were more than 100 pounds of discarded bananas in the parking lot, that I could entirely subsistent on trash without even making a dent in it, that for every bag of salad that made it from the garbage to my fridge, there were five more that someone else could've eaten. For the grocers and restaurateurs, throwing the food in dumpsters is, however exorbitantly wasteful, a matter of convenience. As leaving it there is for me. "I don't know," one of my friends says when I try to talk her into just getting her food out of the garbage. "That's a really good idea. But it sounds like a lot of work."

Digg!    Share on facebook   submit to reddit    Bookmark on Delicious   Stumble This  

See more stories tagged with: diet, dumpster diving

Liked this story? Get top stories in your inbox each week from AlterNet! Sign up now »


Advertisement
Advertisement

 

Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
Cool
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 1, 2008 3:19 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There must be a better way. It all seems like such a waste.

I buy those packages of discounted tomatoes, peppers, etc. from the back of the produce section. I'd be willing to pay a few cents for other things that might otherwise end up in the dumpster, depending on what it is. What they really need is to expand the discount section of all stores so we don't have to climb in dumpsters and get arrested or fight the rats. This way, everybody wins, including the store owner and the rats.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

"Yeah, we could get food poisoning, or rabies" - oh someone will!
Posted by: war_on_tara on Apr 1, 2008 3:22 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Food is discarded from these stores because it passes or is coming up to its legal expiration date as defined by the government. So what would you have these stores DO, exactly?

If expired (but edible) food were donated to the homeless there would be an outcry - how dare they!

I also dislike the odor of writer-ly disdain in that "waiting for the employees to finally leave" part. Try working in a store like that to understand what's necessary and, maybe, what's not, in order to make changes in the system you deem wasteful.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Seinfeld Posted by: kepstein7777
» RE: Seinfeld Posted by: sureshot45
» RE: Seinfeld Posted by: war_on_tara
Yummy!
Posted by: WhatNow? on Apr 1, 2008 3:42 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
A few years ago I had access to a dumpster that had bread, cookies, and crackers regularly. Sometimes I could get stuff a few days before it's expiration date. Most of the stuff would be a few days past expiration. I liked getting different varieties of bread and being able to eat two loaves a week.

"I can't believe restaurants and grocery stores around the country so recklessly and wildly dump whole analogous quiches down the metaphorical drain every second."

What's even worse is when they padlock the dumpsters and the police drive away, harass, or punish the poor and homeless for looking for food. I knew another place to get food that was later padlocked and the police regularly patrolled to keep people from getting the trash.

This article got me thinking I need to go see if I can find some new places to get food. However, where I live is inhospitable to such actions. That's a shame.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Yummy! Posted by: J_Mo
» RE: Yummy! Posted by: opalescentscales
Hmmmm...
Posted by: manatthewindow on Apr 1, 2008 4:02 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
April Fool?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Hmmmm... Posted by: kiel
» RE: Hmmmm... Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
"Dirty" Magazines and "Filthy" Books-All Free!
Posted by: CharlesRoland on Apr 1, 2008 4:18 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Dirty" magazines and "filthy" books can be yours for free - if you don't mind a missing cover.
Back in the early 80's, when I was in my mid-teens, I accidentally happened upon a pile of Hustler, Cherri, Playboy, and Oui magazines - all free - out back of our local CVS Pharmacy. Back then, I drove a moped after school and on weekends which I had earned from delivering papers. On this day I was taking a usual shortcut behind a nearby strip mall when I noticed several seemingly perfect items laying near the CVS dumpster. After inspecting the booty, I realized it was intended for the trash so I peeked inside the dumpster. Win! Before my very eyes was a high-school students dream come true - an assortment of the latest adult magazines in mint condition sans their front cover. Apparently, the covers are returned to their distributor for credit - and god forbid chain stores should recycle. There were paperback dictionaries, almanacs, and Harlequin-type romance novels, missing covers of course, and strewn throughout the pile. I collected as many smut-filled magazines as I could shove down my shirt and into the moped carrying compartment then drove away while worrying I might be busted for being a minor possessing pornography.
The next day at school I presented my find to the guys in the locker room and I became an instant celebrity. Of course I refrained from giving the exact location of my score so that more magazines would be there the following month. Every Saturday, until I turned 17, was spend peeking into pharmacy dumpsters for free reading material. To this day convenience stores and other retailers throw their readables into the trash when new versions are released. These days, however, I prefer Suduku, word-search, and crossword magazines.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Who would've thought
Posted by: DeaconJ on Apr 1, 2008 4:30 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Back in the roaring 90's this would be one of the very
last discussions I'd envision of the future. All the
money shifted to the war profiteering Cheney folk now.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Dumpster Divers of America United DDAU
Posted by: jeffreytaos on Apr 1, 2008 4:37 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I believe whole heartedly in dumpster diving. No joke! It should be a criminal offense to pour bleach in a dumpster to prevent divers from obtaining food. It should also become a misdemeanor to lock food within a dumpster. Good food should be left to the side for those who want it. Arguments about lawsuits by Safeway Managers are bogus, as how can anyone prove they got sick from a certain companies dumpster? It's time to free the food and share the wealth. If you don't want to share your wealth, at least let me dig theough your trash. Likewise, there should be a penalty for messing up someones property, so dumpster divers, prepare for refuse, and refuse to be turned away at the sight of healthy organic produce, and please put he lid back on the dumpster when you finish and be kind to the people who leave their dumpsters unlocked. Try to support these businesses with an occasional purchase. Safeway....Shame on you. The best dumpster in America is Cids in Taos, New Mexico. Thank-you CID. You rock!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Dumpster Divers of America United DDAU Posted by: anonymous black writer
l.a. dumpster diving
Posted by: wittler youth on Apr 1, 2008 4:53 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I did it for years in l.a. and got a 66' chevy 8 ft bed pick up truck full of booty 'every' day..i had about 40 stops and knew when every store 'KICKED' I.E. when they dumped there stuff..that was back in the 70s and early 80s..im too old to do it now..but I LOVED DUMPSTER DIVEING!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Forget the stigma, it rules.
Posted by: dinosaursr on Apr 1, 2008 4:57 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I've dumpster dived for years, and love it. It's fun and empowering to be able to get so much food for free. Specifically, I work with a group called Food Not Bombs that you can Google if you want, but we feed the homeless and use dumpstered produce. Until you start dumpstering yourself, or have worked in a store with produce, you have no idea how pristine some of the food you find in dumpsters is. (Obviously, a lot of the food you find in dumpsters is still bad, too. Really bad.)

What's most outrageous is, as others said, police, security and the stores trying to keep people from dumpstering. It's absurd to me that the Trader Joe's and Whole Food's are supposedly progressive and the ones in my area (we have five or so) use trash compactors and lock their dumpsters with high gates. Before Trader Joe's did, they had some of the best scores I've ever dumpstered, but I guess everyone else in the area dumpstered there, too. The only other grocery store in central NC that doesn't use trash compactors is Food Lion. Other good chains to dumpster are Dunkin Donuts, Brueger's Bagels, and in general any bakeries around.

One time an elderly homeless Korean woman who knew very little English was trying to get into the dumpster after us, so we just shared all of our food from that dumpster with her and I gave her a bouquet of roses I found, too. She smiled real big and gave me a hug, and that was really nice. (:

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Forget the stigma, it rules. Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» RE: Forget the stigma, it rules. Posted by: dinosaursr
It's not so weird at all
Posted by: kiel on Apr 1, 2008 5:14 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My 72-yr-old dad's been doing it since the 1980s, and still does. (He might be reading this now, actually.) It's possibly his only hobby, and he's never gotten sick from the food (nor have I). The goodies not only include food, but also, e.g., books, baseball cards, autographs, clothes, jewelry, money, and the occassional gold Krugerrand. Whenever I see an interesting dumpster, I check it out, too. Not at all strange that one man's trash is another's treasure.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Good
Posted by: Drume on Apr 1, 2008 5:22 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am enjoying reading this article. Please continue to write about this!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Good Posted by: scryberwitch
food's a must
Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Apr 1, 2008 5:22 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Don't forget volunteering at local organic farms in the summer in exchange for veggies.

And rice, rice is cheap.

This is an article long-needed to be written, and I thank the author.

Dumpster diving illuminates a real morally ambiguos connundrum.

The solution is an economy centered around food production, as well as a valuing of time.

There is a wiser way to society, that's fairly obvious, a swifter, less wasteful, productive society. But the problem is time-wasting unproductive jobs. Christianity and capitalism are inimical. Did you need all the school you got? People should not go their own way in the economy, that's precisely what people should discuss together. But as long as the locus of discussion is dominated by the local elect and not the people at a local level; fair discussion of the economy ain't happening

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Because of High-Density "Green" Urban Development...
Posted by: wagadog on Apr 1, 2008 5:54 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Even having a little garden and some chickens is the height of luxury.

So next time some greedy-ass property developer wants to put a high-density "smart growth" VMU uranisme "Green" Walkable 10-story "luxury condominium homes" piece of shit in your neighborhood -- think about what it will accomplish when nobody can grow their own friggin' vegetables, and nobody can afford to have them trucked in from california: dumpster diving.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» chickens illegal in Toronto... Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
You eat garbage as a fad...
Posted by: MikeOckhurtz on Apr 1, 2008 6:10 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Why didn't you confront Trader Joe's about throwing away food that they could give to a food pantry to help feed the truly needy? This article kind of show how thoughtless the writer is. Obviously the whole ordeal was about him and making a buck writing about it. All that time wasted in a dumpster and not once did the writer mention the idea that the food could be used to help feed people who don't have the luxury of pretending to be poor. Typical elitist existence. Too bad.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» It's not always that simple... Posted by: Libertine
» RE: It's not always that simple... Posted by: MikeOckhurtz
» Think your words through Posted by: xenocyd
Trader Joes in Indianapolis supports the Homeless
Posted by: DrSuess on Apr 1, 2008 6:18 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is interesting- in Indianapolis, Indiana - Trader Joes is one of the main sources that support the homeless shelters downtown. There are two groups in town- Feed Everyone and Second Helpings that get high class stores like Trader Joes to donate their perishable foods to charity. Basically what these charities do is to go to these stores several times a week, and pick up all the foods that are “postdating”. Stores in America need to remove meat, eggs, butter, milk and lost of other perishable items off their store shelves while they are still good. Anything that was “questionable” got thrown away.

I helped for several years by going weekly to Trader Joes, filling my Chevy Malibu as full as it would go with all the food that was coming out of one store in a several day period. The quantity was unbelievable. There were several time that I had to leave some stuff because my Chevy Malibu couldn’t hold it all. I then drove the food downtown to three different charities, the Women’s shelter, Horizon House, and Wheeler Missions. All of these charities helped give free meals to people in need. In Indianapolis, if you go dumpster diving at Trader Joe’s- you will not find anything of consequence- we have taken it to a far better home.

It is interesting that the more socially conscious stores like Trader Joes would help the homeless, but larger stores like Marsh would not.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Dumpsterless Diving
Posted by: wildswan on Apr 1, 2008 6:20 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have found that if you talk to the manager of the store, sometimes you can get them to put the produce that they pull everyday in a box for people to pick up. I don't know if they would do it with package goods because of liability. This is usually easier with independent grocers and you would want to support them anyway, especially if they buy local produce. Farmers markets will sometimes give away produce at the end of their market day, too. If you have a group of any kind, neighborhood group, whatever, I have found that you can get them to give you a lot of their waste without it ever going to the dumpster.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

You may come away with more than food ....
Posted by: openingstar on Apr 1, 2008 6:32 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Bedbugs have reemerged as a problem ....and it's growing. Thankfully, we no longer have DDT here, but we also have the reemergence of bedbugs. NEVER bring anything home from a dumpster...or take your chances that someone hasn't thrown out a picture ( could be hiding in the frame)or mattress and the dumpster now has them. For more info go to www.bedbugger.com
Sorry...please don't shoot the messenger!!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Food Banks DO NOT EQUAL "Homeless"
Posted by: Prairie Waif on Apr 1, 2008 6:40 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Every single time someone has mentioned donating food they say, "the homeless."

I have news for you AMERICA--->the majority of food bank customers are working poor and the poor who have roofs over their heads but cannot afford food or enough food to give them enough caloric intake to give them the energy needed to function on a job site.

As the housing crisis continues to roll across the nation, it will only become more severe.

I do not buy groceries any more, the way "real" people do. I pay my bills, often spread out over months, and buy what are staples at my house, coffee, flour, oil, oatmeal, raisins and maybe a bag of frozen veggies. That's my shopping for the month.

You will see a great many more "Me's as troops returning from The Great Follies come back with the same disorder that has taken me out of the workforce; PTSD. I have Delayed-Onset Severe Complex PTSD. It is an Anxitey Disorder of the highest order and a lot more.

My $760/month breakdown, $600/rent (nope, no vacancy even if I could afford to move, I am at the "cheap digs" level for a University town), $30 utilities, $50 Telephone&internet, $40 Basic Cable (no TV otherwise), $25 Transportation, Leftover? Cleaning supplies then food.

I recently found a job of which I am able to do without difficulty and stress; I am a 45-year-old paper "girl" who can handle delivering 15 papers a day. Not 20, 15.

After 3 months of never missing a day? I am quite proud of myself. I am having problems getting to the food bank as I only am paid 2.5 cents for each paper I deliver.

We are not homeless, we are hungry.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Food Banks DO NOT EQUAL "Homeless" Posted by: anonymous black writer
Trader Joes
Posted by: leavemlaughing on Apr 1, 2008 7:08 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I buy most of my groceries at TJs. I find them to be highly customer driven compared to most stores.I call corporate frequently sometimes to criticize, sometimes to praise. I live in greater LA, Joe's corporate HQ and find them most responsive. I am going to look into encouraging a customer campaign to "share the wealth."

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Share the Wealth a Great Idea Posted by: Gravitas
» RE: Share the Wealth a Great Idea Posted by: leavemlaughing
» More about TJs Posted by: leavemlaughing
» RE: More about TJs Posted by: J_Mo
WELLAware
Posted by: wellaware lec on Apr 1, 2008 7:15 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I missed paying full price for deli items at Whole Foods by about 45 seconds. Happened to notice a young employee go over with a cart and begin sorting through sandwiches, salsa, etc. I watched intently as he proceeded to pull out lots of perfectly good food. As soon as I was quite sure I knew what he was doing, i went over and asked, then expressed my deep disturbance that he was doing this. And WHAT A F----G WASTE. He said "they" have to do this. He was clear they do NOT give this food to anyone but it gets thrown away.
Keep in mind, had I been at that counter about 45 seconds earlier, I would have paid full price for that "garbage". My option was to fill out a form for complaint that, well, who knows where it would have gone. This stimulates me to pursue this again, more intensely. THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE...I will pass it along to others...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

...it's OK for a m.class white man to dumster-dive...
Posted by: dave1616 on Apr 1, 2008 7:40 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
... let's consider "the authors" personal journey from a "place" that had apparently viewed this practice condescendingly, or at least, beyond any serious practicality... and lets insert the beginning of a new racial dialogue in America... www.discussrace.com

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

so.
Posted by: lucibel325 on Apr 1, 2008 7:45 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
as someone who lives wholly off dumpstered food, i'm a little upset that people are so openly talking about it. many dumpsters besides trader joes have locks on them for this specific reason, and it would be rather unfortunate for tjs to catch wind of this and start locking theirs.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: so. Posted by: ilsewdm
jeddahdiver
Posted by: madazhell on Apr 1, 2008 7:56 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Yesterday, I visited one of our local supermarkets- I got about $60 worth of free produce that was dated 3/31, or had a blemish of some sort. The homeless shelters pick up food there 3 days a week- the food is thrown out the other 4 days. I also picked up day old donuts/muffins/croissants at a donut shop to take to the patients in the state psychiatric hospital where I work. I'd guess that the practices of homeless shelters vary from place to place. I also buy most of our clothing at Goodwill- shirts and pants are $3.49, sweaters/ jackets are $4.50, and many items have store tags on them (GAP, Abercrombie and Fitch, etc). With the economy as it is, we need to be creative- we can also reduce more than our carbon footprint.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Can we please...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 1, 2008 8:08 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Get just one article on Freganism on Alternet that doesn't approach it as being some super ickypoo thing?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Frito lay
Posted by: messedup on Apr 1, 2008 8:15 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Next time your out cruising, follow the potato chip truck to it's warehouse, they'll have a dumpster full of chips that may be expired but are still perfectly fine for consumption.

I don't care for chips myself but will dive into other dumpsters from time to time.

If you burn wood for heat, take a look at a construction dumpster sometime. What a waste eh?

Another company that wastes food?, Sysco foods corporation, if one package in a case is bad the whole case is bad! It's all a write off, but if your an employee they will fire you for raiding the dumpster!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» DO NOT BURN TREATED WOOD Posted by: youngdem
» RE: Frito lay Posted by: heid
Our "civilization" is unsustainable
Posted by: willymack on Apr 1, 2008 8:47 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This article cites but one of the many reasons our society will, sooner or later, come crashing down. Bad as the waste of food and reading material is, the waste of human beings is far worse. As long as our society is predicated on the cruel and ludicrous tenant that a few select "elites" rightfully hog the lion's share of Earth's bounty, gross inequities and unbalanced thinking will continue and, eventually bring us all down.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

I get my "food"
Posted by: CommentCulture on Apr 1, 2008 8:48 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
from GNC.com lol

I'm on a liquid diet. High Protein / fiber and Chia seed.

Cost: about
$150.00 a month including the 1% milk.

My treats:
Skinless boneless chicken breast and / or a piece of Ruffian Orange once per month.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

I am SO glad to be genetically fat
Posted by: Gravitas on Apr 1, 2008 9:10 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am NOT judging dumpster divers, but I find it ironic society told me all my life I was cursed because I could maintain a higher than "average" weight and eat the same or less than thin people. The truth is, I can combat higher food prices by skipping dinner several times a week. I wouldn't lose but a small amount of weight; if any, but my calorie efficient body will still be able to function quite well. That is what it was designed for. Thank you Goddess for my abundance so I don't have to do above because it is just not for me.

That being said, I often take any non food item out of the trash of my apartment building. If I can't use it, I take it to the recycling exchange for someone else. I would take bouquets out of dumpsters in a heart beat!

Is someone HAS to dumpster dive, Trader Joe's would be the best place. It is my favorite store!!! Not only are they great, I can avoid the negativity of all the tabloids of regular supermarkets. I just can't stand them. Maybe Trader Joes should have some type of discount plan so they can minimize waste. I remember being in a Trader Joe's once, and an employee came up to me and asked if I wanted a tub of gaspachio (sp?) because he was going to have to toss it. I said sure and it was fine. Good idea!!!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

I'm staying out of this...
Posted by: Xynyx on Apr 1, 2008 9:39 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's April 1st, after all...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Lots of sources for good food
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Apr 1, 2008 9:58 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Anything in aircraft stores that has an expired date gets chucked, but as we all know lots of things are good even long after the date. Aircraft maintenace facilities throw out loads of good stuff. If you work at one, you may be able to take it home, but the best thing would be for the companies to donate it. I'm not sure it happens.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Deb
Posted by: debmcd on Apr 1, 2008 10:48 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My husband broke his back 2 years ago and now cannot find a job. He can't sit or stand for long without a lot of pain. He wasn't bringing in any money and we were struggling to get by on my salary. One night he went out for a ride on his bike, the only exercise he could handle. He was gone for quite a while and returned, his backpack stuffed. He happened upon the dumpster in back of our local computer store and decided to have a look. He brought home packaged computer parts, software, and variou small pieces of hardware. The next day after he inventoried what he got, he put most of it on EBay and sold it. Since then he's made many trips back to the dumpster and uses what he finds to repair and build computers for his friends who actually pay him and what he doesn't think he can use, he sells or trades on line for money or items he needs. I used to think only homeless people did that kind of thing. But I found out even people who have full time work in these hard times resort to things that they wouldn't have thought of doing before. I just hope the computer store keeps the low dumpster because if they get the tall boy, my husband may not be able to climb in and there would go our extra cash.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Deb Posted by: EllenM27
bottles and foods
Posted by: DaBear on Apr 1, 2008 11:08 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I did bottle (CRV) recycling for a while until I got into a fight with a guy who was living out of his car (back when I still had a subprime financed home). I felt guilty that I had been stealing his only source of income. I stopped when my tires got slashed and the note on a napkin threatened my life next.

When we did become homeless (campgrounded and shelter-rotated--most Americans don't realize that men aren't allowed in homeless shelters with their wives and kids; I slept in the truck and got "moved along" by the cops every night) after Countrywide took the condo, I dumpster dove. But now WF and TJ's and Ralphs and Vons and Gelsons in the Conejo area have locks on their dumpsters and hte cops patrol. One guy who lived in the culvert off the 101 was so pissed off at this, saying, "you god damned rich people had to catch onto my survival technique and now I'm shit outta luck, selfish fuckers." He has a point, but plain and simple, I may have section 8 housing now, but that doesn't mean I get to eat... there will only be more of us fighting over those now-locked dumpsters 22,000 foreclosures this past week alone. My next project is figuring out how to pick locks. Oh, and BTW, when you go to apply for a job now, they check your credit. If you have a default or foreclosure you need not apply to most jobs. Pinkberry and TJ's both turned me down on the basis of my credit report. I know the richy folk think it's not a recession, but from where I sit, it's a fucking depression already. Every day I get more and more angry and at some point, thoughts of a neo-French revolt may not be the fevered fantasy of social deviants like me.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» "Corruption is why we win!" Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: "Corruption is why we win!" Posted by: BlueBerry PickN
Dumpter Diving gets ya JAIL TIME in COLORADO...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 1, 2008 11:14 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
.
.
.
SERIOUSLY: dude went to JAIL for diving, Eating from Dumpster Diving Now a Crime in US...

Land of the FREE!!!

on a more amusing note:

Dumpster Diver Dies Of The Garbage Bends on Odeo


~~~
Spread Love...

BlueBerry Pick'n
can be found @
ThisCanadian com
~~~
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
~~~
"Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

HELP!
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 1, 2008 12:03 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I shop for groceries at Costco. This week, I noticed that eggs which sold last year for $1.50 per dozen and a half (18) are now priced at $5.49. The big box store's famous roasted chicken has gone up 11% and my favorite bagels jumped a buck. Where is the nearest dumpster?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: HELP! Posted by: dinosaursr
It's dissapointing...
Posted by: dinosaursr on Apr 1, 2008 12:32 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
...to see how many people think this article is an April Fools joke. People care about reducing capitalist waste! What a joke!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

The importance of money in our society....
Posted by: Landbaron on Apr 1, 2008 12:58 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I've heard sugar farmers will dump their sugar in the ocean before they give it away. Mark Twain said; "Of all my world travels the thing that impressed me the most is the 'brotherhood of man'... what there is of it".

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

for all the locked dumpsters....
Posted by: stina723 on Apr 1, 2008 1:39 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
boltcutters or a makita.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

It's been a boon to me,
Posted by: J_Mo on Apr 1, 2008 1:45 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
and I haven't even BEGUN to do it for food. I have clothed myself, furnished my apartments, and found stuff to sell on eBay, all because other people are too lazy to donate stuff and keep it out of the landfill. (Their loss. My gain--I'm not complaining.)

My BF and I are thinking about diving for food, but I need to check my area's laws first. We live in an uppity-wealthy county, so I would not be surprised if it's against the law here. I even had a couple of locals email me about starting a group to do it. I told them I'm going to check the laws.

I'm about to be laid off from my job. You're darned right I'm checking out all my options!

~J-Mo

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Me too! Posted by: Cathyc
It won't pay the rent
Posted by: PerryBrass on Apr 1, 2008 1:46 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is such a return to the counter-culturalism that I "grew up with" in my 20s, when I really grew up, instead of in my childhood. But there are some things to keep in mind about some of the assumptions of dumpster diving. Stores don't throw away perfectly good stuff because they're mean shitheads; they throw it away because reducing the price of it won't pay their rent. Simple as that. So everything that gets dumped means someone else will pay full price for food, and pay the rent of the store. Also, most people now are too busy working 60 hours a week, or 2 jobs, and too exhausted at the end of a day to do something like this. So, again, they are on the rent squirrel wheel, and will stay on it until our economy decides that something else is worth living in than a McMansion, which means that the whole housing market now is geared to overpriced real estate. There is an ecology in the world of money, and dumpster diving actually threatens it; or will rebalance it.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Working 60 hours a week? Posted by: Cathyc
» I agree with Cathyc Posted by: mrcentrist
rucognizant
Posted by: rucognizant on Apr 1, 2008 3:00 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This absolutely vile! UnAmerican!

Time to march on Washington and CHANGE things, instead of accepting this low life solution!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

rucognizant
Posted by: rucognizant on Apr 1, 2008 3:02 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This absolutely vile! UnAmerican!

Time to march on Washington and CHANGE things, instead of accepting this low life solution!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» Hello George, how are you? Posted by: Cathyc
TrashFashion
Posted by: gellero1 on Apr 1, 2008 7:45 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There's a nice trash-fashion show at BurningMan each year.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 1, 2008 8:05 PM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Join the Billion Beaver March

Shoot Bush on May 1st

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Terrorist Posted by: mrcentrist
it is illegal to dumpster divein many towns
Posted by: JERSEYDAN on Apr 1, 2008 8:30 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
here in NJ we are under recycling; garbage picking for scrap metal and such is forbidden. Dumpsters are not only locked at commercial establishments, they are also secured by locked gates. Using boltcutters would be breaking and entering. food is discarded because it is expired. These things are mandated by local health boards. You are also on camera these days so don't be surprised if you get arrested. i'm not above taking some perfectly good plastic buckets from the backs of restaurants. last time i did it,though, i decided to ask permission first. The manager said ok, but they tend to reuse the buckets and only leave them near the dumpster because there is no room in the kitchen. they clean them later and use them for odd jobs. garabge dumpsters may seem like fair game, but you can be arrested for pciking in them. think abou tit. An arrest record for garbage picking. How's that look on you CV?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

even American GARBAGE is sacred POSSESSION
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 2, 2008 9:07 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
it ain't AMERICA if it ain't protecting yer shit from somebody who needs it more than you don't need it!!!

===
Spirit Of The West - Loaded Minds


young boy is killed by a gun-toting driver
he caught him cuase the kid went too far
when the mad was asked why
he replied with conviction
"i caught the young punk throwing stones at my car"
...stones at my car...
Uncle Sam's on the billboard
Stars n Stripes shining
as I drive by he's a message for me
the sign reads The Constant Preparation for War
this is the preservation of Peace

there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's Life for
crossing over our Fence
there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's Life for crossing over our fence

that's the Freedom

tricks on his door sent an old man's heart racing
tricks on his mind broke his patience in two
he answers the door

... ! with the crack of a rifle !

paper boy dies delivering the News
...he becomes the News...
fold heroes and murders
they're condoned and condemned
they're crucified and idolized
for taking their stand
is this how we live?
all good people on guard
defending our Rights

in the home and native land
there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's Life
for crossing over our Fence
there's a war in our streets
there's a war in our streets
and we're loading our minds
with the word self-defence
take someone's life for crossing over your fence
that's the Freedom!



~~~
Spread Love...

BlueBerry Pick'n
can be found @
ThisCanadian com
~~~
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
~~~
"Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

It's not exactly "dumpster diving" but...
Posted by: VickyinSD on Apr 2, 2008 9:41 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
a friend and I have a planned "pick-up day" at a local up-scale bread store.

Every Thursday at 9 p.m. we go to the bread store and haul away their "day old" bread... bread that they normally toss at the end of the day.

We get huge garbage bags full of bagels, muffins, cakes, breakfast pastries, sliced loaves normally used for sandwiches, un-sliced loaves of the same breads, sourdough rounds that can be filled with soups... you name it, whatever they have left over! This haul is usually a couple hundred pounds of bread products, and is way too much for either of us!

So we go through it, pick what we want for ourselves, then on Friday we deliver the rest to a local charity that helps feed the homeless and needy in the area. It's a win-win for everybody!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Mr
Posted by: Malcolm Calder on Apr 2, 2008 1:15 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Since 1988 I've been a regular customer at Dumpsters: all over the States, in much of Europe (where I've lived since 2003), and both in cities and the Outback in Australia (where I exchanged tips and adventures with long-term "bums"). Not just for food, but for many items both sought and fortuitous, behind the appropriate kind of store. Among the Unexpected have been both delights (like, cash, e.g.) and horrors (like, evidence of the secret halves of severely split lives). I've been arrested three times while diving, and once convinced three would-be armed robbers that they would rather go with me to a nearby Burger King for a free meal than take my small quantity of hard-earned money.

Here is a photo I took a couple years ago, while initiating two into the Holy Rites, for the countlessth. Notice the ease-of-pickings from this open-top Dumpster. Anyone can pull the lid up and snatch out whatever elicits drool, without sloshing around in unknown muck.

The author's account is entertaining, but her diligence, while appropriate for the story, isn't often necessary for shopping's sake. One can usually lean over into the kind of Dumpster she describes and pull close for inspection any promising bags within reach. Some stores throw out plenty every day, throughout the day; others more intermittently, on some kind of schedule. It's good to learn schedules for your regular stores, so far as they exist.

SANITATION seems to be a big concern for many, understandably. Obviously, one must take precautions, but 94.2% of that is common sense. I have never gotten ill from Dumpster Dining (nor, as far as I know, has anyone who has received groceries from me). Dumpsters often open up to the mephitic bacterial stink of endless cycles of decomposition, so I will sometimes spray a bleach solution around the inside of one if I happen to find it empty (or nearly so), if I happen to have some handy. This is nice. NOT nice is when employees bleach the food to render it inesculent (it's true, some do).

Perhaps sometime I should write a more detailed how-to? Considering how inordinately, obscenely wasteful modern civilization is, it's not just practical: we may think of it as doing our part to reduce our collective "footprint" on the Planet, to re-balance, however slightly (or even symbolically), one of the gross imbalances of our Earthly lifestyle.

Finding unexpected delights never stops being cool, either (right now: chocolate-dipped apricots and figs).

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Garbage has been a staple of my diet for 20 years.
Posted by: Malcolm Calder on Apr 2, 2008 1:17 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Since 1988 I've been a regular customer at Dumpsters: all over the States, in much of Europe (where I've lived since 2003), and both in cities and the Outback in Australia (where I exchanged tips and adventures with long-term "bums"). Not just for food, but for many items both sought and fortuitous, behind the appropriate kind of store. Among the Unexpected have been both delights (like, cash, e.g.) and horrors (like, evidence of the secret halves of severely split lives). I've been arrested three times while diving, and once convinced three would-be armed robbers that they would rather go with me to a nearby Burger King for a free meal than take my small quantity of hard-earned money.

Here is a photo I took a couple years ago, while initiating two into the Holy Rites, for the countlessth. Notice the ease-of-pickings from this open-top Dumpster. Anyone can pull the lid up and snatch out whatever elicits drool, without sloshing around in unknown muck.

The author's account is entertaining, but her diligence, while appropriate for the story, isn't often necessary for shopping's sake. One can usually lean over into the kind of Dumpster she describes and pull close for inspection any promising bags within reach. Some stores throw out plenty every day, throughout the day; others more intermittently, on some kind of schedule. It's good to learn schedules for your regular stores, so far as they exist.

SANITATION seems to be a big concern for many, understandably. Obviously, one must take precautions, but 94.2% of that is common sense. I have never gotten ill from Dumpster Dining (nor, as far as I know, has anyone who has received groceries from me). Dumpsters often open up to the mephitic bacterial stink of endless cycles of decomposition, so I will sometimes spray a bleach solution around the inside of one if I happen to find it empty (or nearly so), if I happen to have some handy. This is nice. NOT nice is when employees bleach the food to render it inesculent (it's true, some do).

Perhaps sometime I should write a more detailed how-to? Considering how inordinately, obscenely wasteful modern civilization is, it's not just practical: we may think of it as doing our part to reduce our collective "footprint" on the Planet, to re-balance, however slightly (or even symbolically), one of the gross imbalances of our Earthly lifestyle.

Finding unexpected delights never stops being cool, either (right now: chocolate-dipped apricots and figs).

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Garbage pickin'
Posted by: YogiBear on Apr 4, 2008 6:19 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I've never been dumpster diving for food, but growing up, it was a delight among my friends and I to root through people's garbage cans for stuff. Hockey sticks was a particular goal: People of greater means than us would throw a stick away first time the wooden blade broke off. I found an entire set of ladies' golf clubs once; a friend discovered a movie projector reel of film that had historic footage of the founding of the Peace Bridge to Canada, which I donated to my college. Most recently, I'd check the bin at the county recycling center for magazine castoffs. I found a series of Playboys from the early 2000s, which I brought home and -- for the first time -- read all the interviews.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Mother Jones REPORT: Gov't **Domestic spying** & dumpster diving
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 11, 2008 7:52 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
11.Apr.08 Cops and Former Secret Service Agents Ran Black Ops on Green Groups

Meet the private security firm that spied on Greenpeace and other environmental outfits for its corporate clients. A tale of intrigue, infiltration, & dumpster-diving.

Mother Jones has exposed that a security firm run by ex Secret Service agents spied on Greenpeace, Fenton Communications, the Center for Food Safety, & others...
The smoking gun documents show that Beckett Brown International (BBI), collected confidential records—donor lists, detailed financial statements, the Social Security numbers of staff members, strategy memos—from these groups & produced intelligence reports for public relations firms & major corporations involved in environmental controversies.

BBI also conducted background checks for the Carlyle Group, the Washington-based investment firm; provided "protective services" for the NRA; handled "crisis management" for the Gallo wine company; engaged in "information collection" for Wal-Mart.

... Also listed as clients in BBI records: Halliburton & Blackwater.
===

The Thieves of Virtue: without the PUBLIC WILL for PRIVACY, criminalizing vice functionally aborts representative government.

"FBI Deputizes Private Contractors With Extraordinary Powers, Including 'Shoot to Kill'"

Naked Truth: Civil Rights & CNN coverage of "F.B.I. biometric database - 'Server in the Sky'"

thoughts on 'The Fear Factory'

"corruption is why we win":
"Yell Fire!": Bush to freeze peace activist assets? - Executive Order to "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq"

NSA's Domestic Spying Grows As Agency Sweeps Up Data

thoughts on the new US Project Hostile Intent (PHI)

Watching the "Ownership Society": follow-ups on Shareholder Surveillance

InfraGard & O'Reilly? Olbermann interviewed O'Reilly caller who was contacted by "Fox News security": did O'Reilly mean INFRAGARD representatives?

"FBI Deputizes Private Contractors With Extraordinary Powers, Including 'Shoot to Kill'"

without the WILL for PRIVACY... there IS NO DEMOCRACY...

~~~
Spread Love...

BlueBerry Pick'n
can be found @
ThisCanadian com
~~~
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
~~~
"Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced"
"do no harm"

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

DONT PUT WHERE TO GO ON INTERNET
Posted by: kjn on Apr 14, 2008 6:22 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I am happy there is a discussion about this. And it is good seeing this, and I want to say more positive things but please be careful about putting the exact places that you go. Companies and police will look on here. Companies will catch on that they (think they) need compactors in order to save money and other trasons. call me paranoid, but they are crazy- especially in the ones that are out of the city. money. . . . money and convenience. Also I have been dumpstering for a long time, and I don't want to be elitist but there are a lot of people that trash the dumpster which leads the places to get compactors or crack down. SO.....Very much so---->It is the most important to make it look as if no one was there. Just no this if you want dumpsters to stick around---and also go at night NOT during the day. I have seen dumpsters get shut down that way too.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Advertisement
Advertisement