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Obama's Sweeping Foreign Policy Critique

By Spencer Ackerman, The American Prospect. Posted March 28, 2008.


Democrats should not have to act like Republicans to pass some test on national security. It's time to end the politics of fear.

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When Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama met in California for the Jan. 31 debate, their back-and-forth resembled their many previous encounters, with the Democratic presidential hopefuls scrambling for the small policy yardage between them. And then Obama said something about the Iraq War that wasn't incremental at all. "I don't want to just end the war," he said, "but I want to end the mind-set that got us into war in the first place."

Until this point in the primaries, Clinton and Obama had sounded very similar on this issue. Despite their differences in the past (Obama opposed the war, while Clinton voted for it), both were calling for major troop withdrawals, with some residual force left behind to hedge against catastrophe. But Obama's concise declaration of intent at the debate upended this assumption. Clinton stumbled to find a counterargument, eventually saying her vote in October 2002 "was not authority for a pre-emptive war." Then she questioned Obama's ability to lead, saying that the Democratic nominee must have "the necessary credentials and gravitas for commander in chief."

If Clinton's response on Iraq sounds familiar, that's because it's structurally identical to the defensive crouch John Kerry assumed in 2004: Voting against the war wasn't a mistake; the mistakes were all George W. Bush's, and bringing the war to a responsible conclusion requires a wise man or woman with military credibility. In that debate, Obama offered an alternative path. Ending the war is only the first step. After we're out of Iraq, a corrosive mind-set will still be infecting the foreign-policy establishment and the body politic. That rot must be eliminated.

Obama is offering the most sweeping liberal foreign-policy critique we've heard from a serious presidential contender in decades. It cuts to the heart of traditional Democratic timidity. "It's time to reject the counsel that says the American people would rather have someone who is strong and wrong than someone who is weak and right," Obama said in a January speech. "It's time to say that we are the party that is going to be strong and right." (The Democrat who counseled that Americans wanted someone strong and wrong, not weak and right? That was Bill Clinton in 2002.)

But to understand what Obama is proposing, it's important to ask: What, exactly, is the mind-set that led to the war? What will it mean to end it? And what will take its place?

To answer these questions, I spoke at length with Obama's foreign-policy brain trust, the advisers who will craft and implement a new global strategy if he wins the nomination and the general election. They envision a doctrine that first ends the politics of fear and then moves beyond a hollow, sloganeering "democracy promotion" agenda in favor of "dignity promotion," to fix the conditions of misery that breed anti-Americanism and prevent liberty, justice, and prosperity from taking root. An inextricable part of that doctrine is a relentless and thorough destruction of al-Qaeda. Is this hawkish? Is this dovish? It's both and neither -- an overhaul not just of our foreign policy but of how we think about foreign policy. And it might just be the future of American global leadership.

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When considering any presidential hopeful's foreign-policy promises, it's important to remember that what candidates say is, at best, an imperfect guide to their actions in office. What proves to be a more reliable indicator of presidential behavior is a candidate's roster of advisers. (If the press had paid better attention, the country would have seen through Bush's pitch about a humble foreign policy and realized that many of his advisers, including Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle, were conspiracy-minded warmongers.) Obama's foreign-policy advisers come from diverse backgrounds. They are former aides to Democratic mandarins like Tom Daschle and Lee Hamilton (Denis McDonough and Ben Rhodes, respectively); veterans of the Clinton administration's left flank (Tony Lake and Susan Rice); a human-rights advocate who helped write the Army's and Marine Corps' much-lauded counterinsurgency field manual (Sarah Sewall); a retired general who helped run the air war during the invasion of Iraq (Scott Gration); and a former journalist who revolutionized the study of U.S. foreign policy (Samantha Power). Yet they form a committed, intellectually coherent, and surprisingly united foreign-affairs team. (Shortly before this piece went to press, Power resigned from the campaign after making an intemperate remark to a reporter.)

They also share a formative experience with each other and with Obama. Each opposed the Iraq War at a time when doing so was derided by their colleagues, by journalists, and by the foreign-policy establishment. Each did so because they understood that the invasion and occupation ran counter to the goal of destroying al-Qaeda. And each bore the frustration of endless lectures on their lack of so-called seriousness from those who suffered from strategic myopia.

"There is a popular notion that Democrats have to try to appear like Republicans to pass some test on national security. The fact that that's still the case after Iraq is absurd," says one of Obama's closest advisers. "So you break from that orthodoxy and say 'I don't care if the Republicans attack me because I'm willing to meet with the leadership in Iran. We haven't for 25 years, and it's not gotten us anywhere.'"


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Obama will not win
Posted by: democracynowiniraq on Mar 28, 2008 12:10 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
No candidate in the modern primary era has ever been elected in November after failing to win more than one of the nation's seven largest states in either its pre-convention primary or, if the state didn't hold a primary, its caucuses. That will be the case if Obama loses Pennsylvania in April. (Admittedly, no one who lost six out of seven has ever been nominated either, so perhaps Obama can make history twice.)

No Democrat who hails from north of the Mason-Dixon Line has been elected president since John Kennedy in 1960.

No candidate in the modern era has ever been elected president with a voting record that could be identified as his party's most liberal or conservative, yet the National Journal found Obama to be the most liberal senator this past year after computing his Senate voting record. (The previous closest attempts by candidates on the comparable extreme were made by the Right's Barry Goldwater in 1964 and the Left's George McGovern in 1972, and we know what happened to them.)

Except for arguably Abraham Lincoln no candidate has ever been elected to the presidency with as little significant state or national political experience as Obama's. (Jimmy Carter, in 1976, came the closest.)

There's one other worrisome, though not ironclad, precedent possibly standing in Obama's way. Though the polls are all over the lot at this point, according to the Real Clear Politics average, Obama currently trails John McCain by only a point or two. That's a margin that easily could be eliminated, and, unto itself, would seem to be no great cause for concern. But history suggests otherwise.

At this point in the election cycle -- before any fear of the unknown has set in -- challengers are often running much better against their incumbent-party opponents. In 1988, Michael Dukakis had about a 10-point lead over George Bush (the senior and then-vice-president), only to lose by around eight -- an 18-point swing.

In fact, that's been the usual pattern. In 1976, Carter led Gerald Ford by 10 points in the spring, and even McGovern in the spring of 1972 found himself running roughly even with Richard Nixon (albeit with a potential George Wallace third-party candidacy in the mix). By November, the incumbent had surged considerably in both cases.

The only modern exceptions to this involved Bill Clinton, in 1992, and Ronald Reagan, in 1980. But both faced notably different circumstances than Obama does.

First, Clinton and Reagan got to run against unpopular incumbents. McCain is not George Bush -- no matter how much Obama may try to tie the two together.

Second, in both 1992 and 1980, there were significant third-party candidacies (H. Ross Perot and John Anderson, respectively). Like most Independent candidacies, their ire was aimed primarily at the status quo (and thus the incumbent), changing the dynamic of the race. These third-party candidacies also made it easier for the insurgent to win without having to concentrate on getting 50 percent of the vote in every state. That pattern seems unlikely to be replicated this year.

Democrats have been reassuring themselves that, so far, their poor showing in the national match-ups against McCain is because their party is currently divided in a bitter primary struggle that will be resolved by the time the fall campaign begins. And, by then, the electorate will know Obama better.

But all these precedents add up to suggest that if Obama becomes our 44th president, the 2008 campaign will define a new American electoral era, with a new set of patterns. Obama's supporters have been promising that their movement will revolutionize our politics. If they're going to win, they'd better be right.

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Numbers say Barack or Hillary can win the democratic portion of the Democratic party's primary.
Posted by: aouie01 on Mar 28, 2008 1:01 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Superdelegates "should not" overturn the results of the primary with their choices unless there is some overwhelming reason to do so. Such overturning should be based on wrongs that rise close to the level of impeachable offenses and not on political quibbling.

Sorry about all the "abouts", but exact numbers are difficult to find in the Democratic party's primaries. If we take about 4047 total delegates - about 800 superdelegates, that leaves about 3247 delegates. If we subtract the delegates won by other nominees 3247 - about 18 (Edwards) = 3229 delegates. To win by simple majority Barack Obama or Hillary would have to get more than about 3247 / 2 = about 1624 delegates. To simply get the most votes (presuming the remaining votes are split only between the two leading candidates) Barack or Hillary would have to get more than about 3229 / 2 = about 1615 delegates. This would mean about 1615 - about 1406 = about 209 more delegates are needed for Barack to win, and about 1615 - about 1249 = 366 more delegates are needed for Hillary to win. There is about 574 remaining delegates to be won democratically in the Democratic Party's primary. Barack would need about 209/574*100 = about 36.5% of the delegates in the remaining elections, and Hillary would need about 366/574*100 = about 63.5% of the delegates in the remaining elections. Either candidate could make it. Numbers and polls favor Barack currently.

Without careful analysis, I get the impression that Alternet is favoring Barack (and I don't blame them for that choice). Alternet should be careful to plan articles in a manner that won't be too regrettable if Hillary should happen to win the democratic portion of the Democratic party's primaries.
Sincerely,
Aouie

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» The 2024 (or 2025) fallacy Posted by: aouie01
» RE: The 2024 (or 2025) fallacy Posted by: Jack1849
When Obama commits to substantially reducing the military budget . . .
Posted by: Rune on Mar 28, 2008 1:46 AM   
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. . . I won't laugh when he presents platitudes about shifting the mindset that gets us into a continuous string of wars, both cold and hot. But that is far from what he has proposed.

Spy and military spending is already eating up more than half of the federal budget, which is awash in red ink, and Obama wants to spend more than even Bush has proposed. Occasionally Obama tries to hide that fact by suggesting cuts to a given program, but in more hawkish company, he will let the defense contractors that have been almost as generous to him as to Hillary Clinton know that they gravy train won't end when George Bush finally packs it in.

That, folks, is the mindset that keeps the U.S. in a constant state of war and threats of war. "If you build it, they (wars) will come."

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» how much and prove it please Posted by: foreverhope
Foreign policy: is this a republic or an empire?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 28, 2008 2:40 AM   
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The real key issues regarding foreign policy are more broad and revolve around the U.S. military's current role as an oil industry bodyguard, and the overall rubric of "neoliberal economic globalization", aka neocolonialism in U.S. foreign policy. In that regard, Al Qaeda is just a sideshow - convenient, useful, but unimportant to larger objectives.

One central goal of U.S. foreign policy is to ensure U.S. access to and control of key natural resources, the most important being petroleum and natural gas. This is is the main role for the U.S. military in the world today. Any honest analysis will conclude that the central issue in Iraq is petroleum, and that the central issue in Central Asia is gas and petroleum, and that the central issue in Africa is petroleum, whether in Nigeria or in Sudan or in Chad.

Any global empire would need to control global energy supplies - and that was the Bush agenda (Chalmers Johnson:

"By the end of the 1990s, the neoconservatives were developing their grandiose theories to promote overt imperialism by the "lone superpower" -- including preventive and preemptive unilateral military action, spreading democracy abroad at the point of a gun, obstructing the rise of any "near-peer" country or bloc of countries that might challenge U.S. military supremacy, and a vision of a "democratic" Middle East that would supply us with all the oil we wanted. A component of their grand design was a redeployment and streamlining of the military. The initial rationale was for a program of transformation that would turn the armed forces into a lighter, more agile, more high-tech military, which, it was imagined, would free up funds that could be invested in imperial policing."

Michael Klare has written a number of articles on the key links between the U.S. military and U.S. energy policy - The Pentagon v. Peak Oil, Jun 2007, for example:

. . .At the heart of the national military strategy imposed by the Bush administration — the Bush Doctrine — are two core principles: transformation, or the conversion of America’s stodgy, tank-heavy Cold War military apparatus into an agile, continent-hopping high-tech, futuristic war machine; and pre-emption, or the initiation of hostilities against “rogue states” like Iraq and Iran, thought to be pursuing weapons of mass destruction. What both principles entail is a substantial increase in the Pentagon’s consumption of petroleum products — either because such plans rely, to an increased extent, on air and sea-power or because they imply an accelerated tempo of military operations."

The second major goal of U.S. foreign policy is to establish "bilateral trade agreements" that tie countries closely to the U.S., often through IMF/World Bank loan(sharking) agreements that are then used to revamp entire economies, destroy social safety nets and create de facto export colonies that service the U.S. economy (for example, by buying up U.S. GMO corn exports, or by providing a source of cheap labor for U.S. manufacturers). Sweatshop slave labor provides most of the disposable consumables in the U.S. - and the more "bilateral free trade agreements" the U.S. signs, the more blue collar jobs are outsourced. This key aspect of U.S. foreign policy is described in Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine as well as in John Perkin's Confessions of an Economic Hitman. It's created a lot of poverty, and many billionaires.

The candidates ? McCain is a bloodthirsty Bush clone, Clinton has tried to be a left-wing hawk, and Obama has been trying to show he's tougher on Iran than Clinton is. He does say he'll cut the bloated >$500 billion military budget - a good sign (of political courage, at least).

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» Michael Klare Posted by: Iconoclast421
» No, it's just demand stimulation Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» to answer your question. Posted by: hurricane hugo
Well done
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Mar 28, 2008 3:30 AM   
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that's the old america talking, the one we appreciated, in spite of all its flaws.
Get them, Obama !

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The mindset that led to the war
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Mar 28, 2008 5:32 AM   
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That is something that Obama cannot address, because he is CFR. He needs to denounce that organization if he wishes to be anything but hypocritical in analyzing why we always end up in these unwinnable wars. The CFR owns the media, and therefore controls the boundaries of debate. If the public is seriously debating ending the war, then it is because the CFR is allowing that to happen. But notice that few are actually questioning the legality of the war -- the constitutionality of the war. Except for rarities such as Noam Chomsky or Ron Paul. And look how they are treated by the CFR controlled media.

This video says it all about Obama.

Do you know what would happen if Obama came out and totally rejected the CFR? If he said something like "the CFR is a global eugenics front, designed to placate, enslave, and ultimately exterminate 90% of the world's population." He would be correct, BUT he would be destroyed by the media.

It does no good to look into the mindset that led us to war if you dont accept the fact that the media is top-down controlled by elites that are laughing their asses off at the american public. By the time the general public finishes arguing why we went to war, the controllers will have already moved onto the next phase of mischief. We already know why they went to war. Because they want to destroy this country, by using it as an engine to build a police state control grid so that they can carry out hitlerian style eugenics on a global scale. With america gone, there will be no one to stop it.

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» Are you helpless, EncinoM? Posted by: joeunix
» so who would you make our Decider? Posted by: foreverhope
Zbigniew Brzezinski, Obama's Advisor?
Posted by: bbfmail on Mar 28, 2008 6:05 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Had read in previous months that Brzezinski was one of Obama's advisors, but did not find him mentioned as one in this article. Did I miss something? Has he resigned?

From an interview with Brzezinski(Mr. Regret What?):

Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, in substance: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Question: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalists, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?**

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/brz.htm

I saw a tape of this interview with Brzezinski. He laughed after making these comments. This is the man who literally advised Carter to turn Afghanistan over to the Taliban. How many US troops have died since this? How many billions has it cost the US citizens? With advisors like this on the Obama team, this country will be in serious trouble if he is the President.

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» Obama's advisors Posted by: foreverhope
» RE: Obama's advisors Posted by: january37
» Nice try with the photos Posted by: brunowe
» Give me a break Posted by: joeunix
» McCain & Clinton are far worse! Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» Obama and Gitmo Lawyers Posted by: foreverhope
What can I say
Posted by: solrev on Mar 28, 2008 6:09 AM   
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“Give peace a chance”. The problem any candidate has is trying to verbalize a policy and at the same time create a media sound bite that the entertainment media will pickup. Where did Walter Cronkite go? The TV debates are worthless because the moderators are to busy trying to be super stars. In place of the 19 or 20 debates Obama and Clinton had in the current format they should change to an issue debate format. Tune in for a one-hour debate on healthcare. All the moderator ever has to say, is “you are off topic and I am not here to listen to your speeches”. If the candidates look like fools they probably are.

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Open letter from a "typical White," person
Posted by: Hearthis2 on Mar 28, 2008 7:55 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Attack Pakistan? IS Obama suicidal? So we have a Dem candidate (Obama), who has spent the last twenty years in a militant church with a militant reverend who hates anyone who isn't White, who gave his OWN money to support the church and you think this guy is going to be fair to ANYONE when he gets into office.
What the heck is wrong with people...are you taking the right pill? Because I think you all are living in a Matrix or some kind. The Reverend Wright has been preaching which direction Obama will go for the last twenty years...listen folks...you don't hang out in a church for over twenty years (Yeah, I said that again becuase your not understanding), and NOT believe in the messages that are being sermoned up every Sunday. IF you want to know WHO Obama REALLY is...listen to HIS Pastor for God's sake.
It would be like someone joining the KKK for twenty years and then when found out saying, "Oh, I don't beleive that stuff." PHOOEY.
Think outside of the box. Don't follow the idiots who write about him...LISTEN FOR YOURSELVES.
THE GUY HAS A MISSION. A MISSION set up by his years of being pumped full of what is right by a man who is MOST definately got an agenda both here in the states AND in the Middle East.

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The Pentagon and the Military Industrial Complex
Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 28, 2008 8:24 AM   
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Obama will have to control the Pentagon and the Military Industrial Complex to change foreign policies. Eisenhower warned us about these groups and their control of our foreign policies and our lives. They have not been challenged by administrations or Congress, because of their enormous power and control. I believe that our government lives in fear of these groups and the price that they will extract from those who oppose them.

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» Say what? Posted by: joeunix
great article - Obama can bring us into next era
Posted by: dgleason on Mar 28, 2008 10:33 AM   
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I have just been through the 1st page and a little of the comment and I find it amazing that this article is about how Obama is different and has a hope for working with the thought process of the american people so that we can distinguish leadership from rhetoric.

It is time we are willing to get deeper in the issues. He is right in that the problem is not really that the bushies took us where they took us but rather why they were able to in such a short time.

The bushies are rogue, even for republicans, Obama is the answer to that rogueness imo.

The reason why Hillary is not the answer is because she is flawed in the same historical way. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. (paraphrase of someone else).

Hillary is just more of the same. The reason why Hillary's vote on Iraq is such a deep problem is because with what she knew of the bushes based on her 'experience' the chance that they were going to go rogue was very high and she had to have known it, with her experience.

That tells us something about her. She may be as good as we have gotten recently as a candidate, she is not good enough for these times. She is not good enough for the structural changes that are required so that some idiot in the future doesn't use the precidents of this administration to turn us into a dictatorship.

And if we, left right center and independents are not willing to embrace what needs to be embraced to make that impossible, maybe we need to learn the lesson.

I hope not!

Danielle

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The US President
Posted by: willymack on Mar 28, 2008 10:31 AM   
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Is many things. First and foremost, our President is the person we, the people put forward as our advocate, our head diplomat, and the representative of the best our nation has to offer. Let's look at some of these people. First, our current "president". He was swept into office even though he lost the popular vote, and under suspicious circumstances, to say the least. Most of the world is far more astute and politically savvy than Americans are, and the 2000 "election" theft is obvious to them, even if it isn't to half of our people. Whenever our current chief executive opens his mouth, it's obvious he's reading or reciting a prepared script, and anything, such as an unexpected question, throws him into a dither and reveals his incoherent mind. Sen Mccain recently revealed this distressing characteristic on several occasions, and had to be corrected by his Siamese twin, Joe Lieberman at least once. Then, there are Clinton and Obama, who are far better educated, more knowledgeable, and mentally adroit than either bush or mccain. Who do YOU want representing us before the world, a dithering, blithering chucklehead, or an urbane sophisticate, who is at once knowledgeable, coherent, and eloquent?

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I support Obama but want Hillary to win the nomination!
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 28, 2008 10:32 AM   
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Here's why. If Obama wins the nomination, the Clinton political machine will torpedo his general election campaign so Hillary can run against President McCain in 2012.

Conversely, if Hillary wins (steals) the nomination, McCain will clobber her in November.

Hillary's loss will finish her politically and allow Obama to build his populist base and get four more years of Senate seasoning.

The only flaw in my scenario is, can America survive four years of Bush/McCain policies?

Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican, Ronald Reagan fan and ARDENT Obama supporter.

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» McCain in 2012? Posted by: LeaderofMen
This article intends to deceive progressives
Posted by: Earthian on Mar 28, 2008 10:38 AM   
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A foreign policy based on the vague notion of "dignity" is camouflage for a sweetness-covered policy of lawless militarism. The author states it should not be "controversial" to bomb Pakistani territory. Yes, if you don't believe in the Constitution which states that "all treaties made" are the "supreme law of the land." Yes if you don't believe in the validity of the UN Charter which forbids the threat or use of force against other nation states. Yes, if you intend to risk nuclear war through the supreme international crime of illegal aggression.

Obama's new mindset is to camouflage the policy that Bush has used for his term and which most US presidents have used since Monroe supported Gen. Jackson's invasion of Florida in 1818.

A new progressive mindset for foreign policy would be enforceable international law not vague, unenforceable "dignity."

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mama7
Posted by: mama7 on Mar 28, 2008 11:03 AM   
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To all of you who are afraid Obama doesn't have enough experience....let us remember the "experience" of the past administration: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby,etc. If you were happy with that experience, then continue down the same path. I am willing to give Barack a chance. He has shown wisdom in listening to a set of different voices, he has shown courage in speaking on controversial issues, he has shown toughness in the face of criticism. Certainly he will not be able to change everything quickly and he will not be able to pass legislation unless we give him a congress with the ability to listen and make hard decisions. I for one, am simply sick of the same old stuff in Washington DC and will welcome someone with different ideas and the ability to bring people together.

As for his pastor........I am not electing his pastor, nor McCain's, nor Hillary's.....all of whom have "experience" with questionable pastors. We are not electing a pastor, nor are we clean ourselves on all of those with whom we associate. Isn't that part of the Christian message....to love the other, even when we don't agree?

Give Obama the opportunity to make this country honorable again.

From a 70 year old woman who ought to be a Hillary fan, but "ain't"

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» RE: mama7 Posted by: opmoc
Dangerous To Pre-Judge Anyone By Their Associations Before They Are Elected
Posted by: opmoc on Mar 28, 2008 11:12 AM   
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Anyone who hopes to get elected has got to go along at least to some extent with the popular opinion of the electorate.

Whilst Obama is speaking a lot of nonsense about Al Qaeda being a real threat - that's what most Americans believe.

So he's a member of CFR - but is he a puppet?

There are very few politicians who actually voted against the Iraq War.

There are very few politicians who actually address some of the real issues - particularly the method of control by FEAR.

And what choice have Americans got?

Pit Bull Terrier - McCain - he looks even crazier than Cheney

Clinton - well just more of the same

Obama might actually attempt to make some real changes

Of course - if he actually makes it - and tries to do so - then he might not last very long

But - I think he might actually have the courage to try

What other choice is there?

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» AND Posted by: opmoc
» Oh, I Don't Know Posted by: pdxstudent
UH, What foreign policy?
Posted by: michaelo on Mar 28, 2008 12:45 PM   
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As I read this piece on Obama's
"revolutionary" approach to foreign policy, I kept looking for...uh, an enunciation of that foreign policy.

Either Ackerman never was told and thus, didn't share it with us or as I suspect, it was never told to him because a literal Obama foreign policy does not exist and if it does, it is being kept a secret until after he is elected.

What the article does is look at what Obama is not - what the wonkers on his various teams say the "concept" is, but never enumerate the specifics.

It is clear however, in my opinion, that ANY US foreign policy that is not critical of Israel, both in principle and in approach, will be little different than any other.

That is regarding the Palestinian's right to self determination and reparation, and to a rejection of alignment with the despots in the Middle East.

Were are once again being sold a campaign of Hope. Hope that Obama, once in office, will pull off what liberals and "progressives" pray will be some how different than say, McCain - Clinton or Bush.

I have news for you: Hope is in Arkansas and the last two scavengers of the American dream that popped out of Hope, Huckabee and Sr. Clinton only proved that you can't trust anyone if the origin of their lives and campaign is tied to Hope.

Michael O'McCarthy

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The Game Is Over When Gung-Ho American Kids Don't Want To Kill Anymore
Posted by: opmoc on Mar 28, 2008 1:09 PM   
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There is only so much death and destruction anyone can take

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The American Child
Posted by: opmoc on Mar 28, 2008 1:45 PM   
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Is born to Immigrants

In this case ( I am talking personally ) this year 2008

The immigrants are my Brother's Daughter from England

And the Father of The Child Born in East Germany

The Parents of The Child Met

In AMERICA

And when the Hurricane Katrina Hit

My Niece Was Looking After The Displaced People From New Orleans

With Her German Boyfriend

As Was Everyone On The Campus Of The University

The Fact That They are Professors Is Completely Irrelevant

They Both Did Far More To Support The Victims of Hurricane Katrina Than Did The American Government

The American Child is Completely Beautiful

And He Will Grow Up In a Better America and a Better World

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Atrocity-Linked U.S. Officials Advising Democratic, GOP Presidential Frontrunners
Posted by: chlamor on Mar 28, 2008 4:37 PM   
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ALLAN NAIRN: Right. And later, during Bill Clinton’s administration, during the Bosnia killing, the US actually flew some of the Afghan Mujahideen, the early al-Qaeda people—the US actually arranged for them to be flown from there to Bosnia to fight on the Muslim/NATO side.

Another key Obama adviser, Anthony Lake, he was the main force behind the US invasion of Haiti in the mid-Clinton years during which they brought back Aristide essentially in political chains, pledged to support a World Bank/IMF overhaul of the economy, which resulted in an increase in malnutrition deaths among Haitians and set the stage for the current ongoing political disaster in Haiti.

Another Obama adviser, General Merrill McPeak, an Air Force man, who not long after the Dili massacre in East Timor in ’91 that you and I survived, he was—I happened to see on Indonesian TV shortly after that—there was General McPeak overseeing the delivery to Indonesia of US fighter planes.

Another key Obama adviser, Dennis Ross. Ross, for many years under both Clinton and Bush 2, a key—he has advised Clinton and both Bushes. He oversaw US policy toward Israel/Palestine. He pushed the principle that the legal rights of the Palestinians, the rights recognized under international law, must be subordinated to the needs of the Israeli government—in other words, their desires, their desires to expand to do whatever they want in the Occupied Territories. And Ross was one of the people who, interestingly, led the political assault on former Democratic President Jimmy Carter. Carter, no peacenik—I mean, Carter is the one who bears ultimate responsibility for that Timor terror that Holbrooke was involved in. But Ross led an assault on him, because, regarding Palestine, Carter was so bold as to agree with Bishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa that what Israel was doing in the Occupied Territories was tantamount to apartheid. And so, Ross was one of those who fiercely attacked him.

Another Obama adviser, Sarah Sewall, who heads a human rights center at Harvard and is a former Defense official, she wrote the introduction to General Petraeus’s Marine Corps/Army counterinsurgency handbook, the handbook that is now being used worldwide by US troops in various killing operations. That’s the Obama team.

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Where's the article?
Posted by: chlamor on Mar 28, 2008 4:59 PM   
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The title of this article is "Obama's Sweeping Foreign Policy Critique" and I'm telling you I read all the words that followed the title but did not find that article.

The reason is simple. Obama does not now nor has he ever in anyone's wildest dreams offered up anything even remotely close to a sweeping critique of US foreign policy.

Obama's rhetoric and his record is quite compatible with US hegemony and only differs in technique and appearance than the cruder US imperialists.

He wants more troops, more funding of the military machine and will continue US aggressions. He has stated as such so take him on his word.

Here we get more of the warmed over al-Qaeda bogeyman BS and we'll get the liberal humanitarian intervention schtick used by the Cruise Missile Left as the rationale for US forays into the world's energy hotspots.

The bit about dignity that is being loosely tossed about here is not what the rest of the world knows this to be, meaning autonomy and sovereignty, but is a not-so-clever device that will attempt to hide what is known as "development" which we know to be economic imperialism.

Obama is the consummate American Exceptionalist, read any of his foreign policy speeches, and has passed the test with the PTB proving his bona fides time and again when it comes down to promoting and doing errands for the Empire.

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I Found Nemesis - The Last Days of The American Republic By Chalmers Johnson - Too Hard To Read
Posted by: opmoc on Mar 28, 2008 5:21 PM   
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All The Facts Are In There

But I Couldn't Stop Crying

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We Need To Stop Complaining And Construct A Way Forward Out Of This Mess
Posted by: opmoc on Mar 28, 2008 5:30 PM   
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A Start Would Be To Bring All Our Soldiers Home And Start Thinking About It

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All Our Soldiers Want To Come Home
Posted by: opmoc on Mar 28, 2008 5:40 PM   
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I Have Met Some Of The Best

And I am Not Talking About Americans

The Elite of The British Army

Are Somewhat Special

Give Them a REAL Enemy

They Just Do Their Job as Do All Professionals

But they do it rather better

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Correct but Impenetrable to the Masses
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Mar 28, 2008 6:41 PM   
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This analysis is correct, nuanced and logical; it reflects what many of us have long been saying. However, in a nation whose ideas have been shaped by John Wayne and Rambo, whose news comes in 30 second sound bites, whose Weltanschauung has been shaped by the us-vs-them, black-vs-white simplicities of demagogues within government and the media, it won't be widely accepted. McCain's and Bush's militaristic jingoism has an atavistic appeal lacking in an ethical, analytical approach. Hillary Clinton is trying to appeal to the neanderthals by posing as a war heroine and the progressives by posing as a peacemaker, neither of which she is or has ever been.

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Can I Just Have One Last Word
Posted by: opmoc on Mar 28, 2008 7:11 PM   
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I am a working class bloke from a Northern English town - Oldham - a few miles north of Manchester

And Americans have always fascinated me

I have met some completely Amazing Really Gifted Americans Who Had So Much Passion and Quality and Sheer Hard Work Who Inspired Us English To Achieve Some Great Things

Yet....

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Focus on the heart of leadership
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 28, 2008 8:20 PM   
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from the Strange Death of Liberal America

The text of the Ohio debate is the real key to understanding why Clinton’s campaign has imploded.

Tim Russert’s question about what would happen if after withdrawing our troops from Iraq we found ourselves facing a situation in which al Qaeda exploited the vacuum by taking control of part of the country to use as a base to mount another 9/11 attack? This question is one that John McCain has raised and is sure to be raised in the coming campaign. Just to make the scenario more interesting, Russert posited that what passed for the Iraqi government had told us they did not want us to intervene.

The heart of the question, lay in its masterful focus on the heart of leadership, for it is in a crisis that we find out a leader’s true values. People need to see values translated into actions, especially during a crisis in which all a leader has to fall back upon is who they are and what they stand for. Curiously, in some ways these critical decisions evidence even more the qualities of authenticity and values that lie at the heart of transformational leadership, for these qualities may be all a leader has for guidance in those moments. As CNN’s Campbell Brown stated during the Texas Democratic Presidential Debate, “A leader’s judgment is most tested in a time of crisis.”

Clinton’s answer said everything about why she is losing this election and why she will not make a good President. First, she tries to dodge the question by saying she won’t deal with hypothetical situations. That may be a reasonable response to some off-the-wall impossibility, but the scenario Russert proposed has been on the table for some time as a real possibility following an American withdrawal.

Clinton’s attempt to shrug off Russert’s probing represented a moral and intellectual failure. It was plain from her attempt to avoid answering the question that neither she nor her staff had thought about this possibility or rehearsed an answer. We all know that is exactly why Iraq has turned into a mess: because George W. Bush and Dick Cheney never considered alternative scenarios when they brazenly invaded the country. In their hearts they knew they were right, so they never believed the country would fall into the sectarian chaos it has become.

The moral failure in Clinton’s dodging the question also was one of cowardice. She lacked a prepared answer, so she refused to give one. Unfortunately leaders and Presidents do not have that luxury. Whether it is an organization or the White House, you want someone in charge who WILL think about alternatives and who is not afraid to answer difficult questions.

Russert’s pit-bull personality can sometimes be grating, but in this case it proved an asset, because he would not let Clinton dodge the question. It was the rambling answer she finally gave that truly revealed her moral failure. You could almost see her triangulating as she spoke like a fifth-grader wondering about a trick question. Her triangulating told her the trick was an attempt to bring up the issue that has dogged her throughout this campaign–her vote in favor of the Iraq War. That even after Tim Russert’s probing we don’t have an answer is troubling.

In sharp contrast to Clinton, Barack Obama had no trouble dealing with hypothetical scenarios. If his answer showed that he also had not totally thought this issue through, it did show that in a crisis he could call on core values without waiting for the pollsters.

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I pray that Obama will win, but how do you fight against:
Posted by: Missing Piece on Mar 28, 2008 8:25 PM   
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A False Flag
Resource War
Peak Oil
A very probable economic depression

You can't tackle these issues unless the people know the truth, and the peopl