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Checks for $600 Won't Fix Our Economy
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In a celebrated display of bipartisanship, both parties joined hands last month to pass a whopper of a stimulus package. Cash, they crowed, would soon be flowing. "We're sending a $600 check to you, and $300 to you, and $1,200 to couples, and...well, almost everyone will get money! It's manna straight from heaven to get our big ol' economy high-ballin' down Prosperity Highway," they exulted.
"Not that there's anything wrong with our economy," they quickly added. "No, no," said the self-congratulatory stimulators. "Everything's fine. Really fine. Really."
In his State of the Union peroration, Bush insisted, "Americans can be confident about our economic growth." Treasury Secretary Henry Paulsen chimed in, "The U.S. economy is fundamentally strong." Buckshot Cheney came out of his bunker to assert that America has a "solid platform" for continued economic growth. And Condi Rice assured world leaders that our economy is "resilient, its structure sound, and its long-term economic fundamentals are healthy."
Hmmm. If the basics of the economy are in such great shape, why would we need all this cheerleading by the wizards in charge? You don't have to be in Who's Who to know what's what. They can whoop it up 'til they're hoarse, but for most Americans, the kitchen-table fundamentals are nothing to cheer about. As a fellow in Missouri recently said to me, "If these are good times, why aren't I having one?"
While it's probably rude of me to look a gift stimulus in the mouth, this one seems seriously flawed. The feeble philosophy behind it is the same that shaped George W's insulting comment after 9/11, when he declared that the highest civic role of the American people is to "go shopping." Come on, George, America can't shop its way to greatness, nor will this onetime, government-funded shopping spree lead us to a sound economy.
Follow the money: Let's say your check arrives and you drive straight to Wal-Mart to pick out some new clothes, an electronic gizmo you've been wanting, and a couple of toys for the kids. Pay your $300 to $600 and--listen!--you can almost hear the economic machinery kicking into gear, stimulated by your purchase of products.
But wait--we make very little of that stuff in America anymore. Those machinery noises are coming from China, where Wal-Mart and most other retailers have their goods made. Thus, our leaders are shipping billions of dollars from our public treasury to you and me, asking us to spend it in an economy that's based on further enriching Wal-Mart's wealthiest investors and further stimulating China's massive export economy. How sound is that? Wal-Mart and China profit--but we don't.
The real economy
You wouldn't know it if you depend on the conventional media for your news, but the stock market is not the economy, and economic growth is not the same as economic health. For years, stock prices have been buoyant and the Gross Domestic Product (GDP is essentially the total wealth generated by our economy each year) has been growing like a teenage boy, increasing by more than a third from 2001 to 2007. These two indicators have become the Holy Duo for defining American prosperity, and since they have been ascendant, the country's comfortable economic establishment has happily assumed that all is well.
These elites are clueless about the real economy. Take Alan Binder, a former member of the Federal Reserve Board and a policy confidant of several Democrats, including the Clintons. Earlier this year, this high-powered thinker was baffled by polls showing widespread economic pessimism. "People are more sour about the economy than the data would seem to warrant," he mused.
Alan, Alan, Alan. For the vast majority of folks, the data that matter are the statistics telling them whether their in-come is keeping up with their out-go. Macro numbers like GDP and the Dow Jones average don't put food on the table, gas in the tank, or money in the bank. Washington's plutocratic policies--which knock down wages, outsource jobs, prevent unionization, deny health care, usurp worker and consumer rights, loot pensions, etcetera--have deliberately "decoupled" the benefits of growth from any notion of shared prosperity. Even though we've all worked harder and longer to produce more wealth than ever in America, the GDP's rising tide has not lifted most boats--and many boats have been swamped. It's not irrational anxiety that's fueling people's glumness--it's reality.
This economic distress has grown dramatically under Bush & Company, but the current administration did not create it. Since the mid-1970s, the richest one-tenth of 1% of Americans have seen their wealth jump astronomically, and others in the top 1% have also done well. The next rung of families, those in the top 10%, has done less well, but has still enjoyed real income gains. Everyone else--the remaining 90% of the American people--have not even kept up with inflation, instead experiencing a drop in their real income.
The best year for the bottom 90percenters was 1973, when the average taxpayer reported $33,000 in income (in today's dollar value). By 2005, that average had fallen by about $4,000. In other words, after three decades of explosive growth in GDP, America is prosperous, but Americans are not! That un-American imbalance is the most important fundamental of our economy.
Former Labor Secretary Robert Reich points out that middle-class families have tried to cope by straining themselves. First, as the wages of working men fell (the median income for a man in his 30s today is 12% below that for a man the same age three decades ago), women entered the workforce in big numbers. Today, nearly 70% of moms with school-age kids work outside the home, almost double the number in 1970. Reich also notes that there's been a rise in families that split the work day in half--one parent is at work while the other is on child duty, then they switch. They're known as "DINS": double income, no sex.
Second, families have tried to cope by putting in longer hours. We now typically work two weeks more each year than people did 30 years ago (also, Americans today average about a month and a half more on the job each year than our European counterparts).
There are only so many moms and so many hours to throw at the problem, however, so the past decade has seen the surge of a third way of coping with declining income: debt. Banks and other lenders gleefully promoted this by flooding Americans with promises of easy money--a steady shower of credit cards, subprime mortgages, home-equity loans, payday loans, car loans, student loans, etc. Further contributing to the growth in family debt, both health-care costs and the number of Americans without insurance coverage have skyrocketed, and people are having to put their medical bills on their credit cards. Overall, consumer debt has risen nearly 90%in the past 10 years and now tops $2.5trillion.
It is this tsunami that is presently crashing down on our economic shores.
This is why nearly six in 10 Americans told CNN pollsters in January our country is not headed for recession--it's already in one. Also this is one big reason that 75% told New York Times pollsters in that same month that America is on the wrong track.
Recovery, not stimulus
Washington's "stimulus" package is a political fig leaf to cover our leaders' bankruptcy of ideas, gumption, courage, and...well, leadership. OK, $168 billion is a big leaf, but throwing these government checks around (including some $50 billion that Bush insisted on doling out to corporations) will not create middle-class jobs, stimulate new American production, or address the fundamental imbalance in our economy.
Even as Congress was passing its feel-good stimulator last month, the Labor Department announced that the U.S. lost another 279,000 manufacturing jobs in 2007, reducing that key middle-class job sector to less than 10% of America's workforce for the first time since such records have been kept. Around the same time, Wall Street banks announced plans to eliminate some 40,000 middle-class jobs, and Detroit automakers said they would cut tens of thousands of workers this year, replacing them with new hires paid only about $14 an hour--half of the previous wage.
Pundits and politicos are now decrying the reckless, unregulated financial scheming that fueled the collapse of the subprime-mortgage industry. These schemes cost 1.6 million people their homes last year, and more will lose homes this year. Politicians have proposed various band-aid bailouts, but our leaders don't want us to ask the most elementary question: Why is there such a huge demand in this wealthy country for these rigged loans? The key factor is the loss of family-wage jobs.
Likewise, if there really was a solid, secure, middle-class base under our economy, America's financial and political elites would not now be mailing out government checks in a desperate effort to goose up consumer spending. But whole chunks of the middle class have become the working poor, unable to sustain the economy. In short, the fundamentals are not sound.
What America needs is not a stimulus for the false economy of stock-price enrichment for the top 10% and frantic, debt-fueled consumerism for everyone else. This is the time to make a sharp break from the "tinkle-down" economic policies of the past 30 years, turning instead to "percolate up" economics focused intently on rebuilding America's middle class and restoring America's unifying ethic of the common good.
This means redirecting public funding to the public good. Rather than corporate boondoggles, tax giveaways, privatization scams, ideological wars, and inept occupations, let's invest not only in America, but in Americans.
This approach is in the proud footsteps of such public pursuits as the Erie Canal, Lincoln's Homestead Act, FDR's New Deal (rural electrification, the Conservation Corps, WPA projects, and so much more), Truman's GI Bill, and Ike's interstate highway system. These worthy undertakings produced not only geometric financial returns for every dollar invested but also generated good jobs, tapped America's can-do spirit, ignited people's sense of optimism, and created assets and benefits that still serve us today.
Think of what could be done if we treated people not as consumers but as producers! Consider just two areas of need that beg for boldness in harnessing people's energy, ingenuity, and gumption:
INFRASTRUCTURE. As we've often reported in the Lowdown, one of the most damning failures of our political leadership at all levels has been its craven willingness to let America's house crumble. From collapsing levees to exploding underground pipes, a dangerous deterioration has spread through water systems, roads, schools, airports, the electric grid, ports, public transit, and other basics, reaching into practically every community.
It's time to go to work. Three years ago, the American Society of Civil Engineers calculated that we're one and a half trillion dollars in arrears on needed infrastructure repairs. That doesn't count the multibillion-dollar backlog for repairs in our public parks, or such new needs as bringing our nation's internet and phone service up to the superior standard of Europe and Japan.
THE GREEN ECONOMY. Here's our future--if we're smart enough to grab it. Rather than wait on the energy fairy to end America's oil addiction, let's do it ourselves.
One group in the lead is Apollo Alliance, an exciting coalition of enviros, labor organizers, entrepreneurs, community leaders, and others pushing aggressively for policies that link energy independence with new jobs. The alliance is named after the Apollo moonshot mission launched by John F. Kennedy in 1961. The subsequent moon landing excited the country, but this national undertaking would be even bigger and more exciting. Rather than being an event to be watched on TV, this clean-energy revolution would enlist people directly to achieve the goal. Making every home and building in America energy efficient and developing clean, high-speed rail networks between population centers would employ millions of people at every skill level. Backyard tinkerers and computer whizzes could develop and improve technologies, local businesses would be able to pioneer new products and services, union apprentice programs would train workers, and inner-city poor people would be recruited into jobs that can provide a career path out of poverty.
Yes, this would take an up-front investment, but the payoff is staggering. Take just one Apollo idea: a plan to create a Clean Energy Corps. One of the corps' functions would be simply to weather-strip the homes of low-to-moderate-income folks. There's already a federal program to do this, but it's so underfunded, understaffed, and inactive that it has reached only a tiny fraction of the 30 million eligible homes.
To retrofit them all over a decade would cost about $45 billion, but look at what we'd get for that sum. Some 225,000 people from the communities where the work is done would be earning and spending paychecks there, thus giving an added boost throughout the local economy. Meanwhile, the weather-stripping would save about $400 per year in energy use by each home, a national savings in energy costs over the next decade that would total an estimated $120 billion. All that for an investment of only about a fourth of Washington's "go shopping" stimulus.
The Powers That Be can no longer pretend that such a grassroots recovery program is the sort of big-government undertaking that's unaffordable. After all, they've already frittered away at least a couple of trillion dollars to destroy, occupy, and try to rebuild Iraq, and now they're dumping $168 billion in a fizzler of a stimulus that completely ignores the fundamental need for a shared prosperity. If you hear your Congress critter, presidential candidates, or any other politicians mouthing off about how the underlying structure of our economy is sound, send 'em a copy of this issue--and tell them to get to work on a recovery program for all Americans, one that helps us recover our middle class and our democratic values.
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Posted by: Rune on Mar 28, 2008 12:34 AM
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» RE: Gosh, what a bargain! a republican scheme
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» RE: Gosh, what a bargain! a republican shell game
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» Don't forget - the $168 Billion Bailout only needs to last for 9 months.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Mar 28, 2008 12:39 AM
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Tariffs are the only way to compete against currency manipulation, product dumping, subsidized production, slave wages and environmental degradation.
Will everything get more expensive? Yep, but with the dollar collapsing everything will get more expensive anyway. So, either we enact tariffs that will protect and add good jobs and pay more or we do what we are doing and lose more and more good jobs and pay more anyway.
They won't tell you this but tariffs are what made this country great. We protected our industry from unfair overseas competition from the beginning. The tariff policy is what caused the Civil War, the industrialized protected North versus the Cotton Cash Crop free trade South. The North triumphed and industry blossomed.
Since the introduction of our petro dollar economy in the 70s out trade deficit has only gone one way ... UP ... strong dollar, weak dollar .... higher trade deficits. And why ?... lower tariffs, and looking the other way while Japan manipulated its currency, subsidized production and blocked our imports and investment. Then it was Korea, The Asian Tigers and now it is China. Our trade deficit is now over 700 billion.
Without tariffs we bleed to death as jobs and investment flow away. Without tariffs the falling dollar will make everything expensive anyway.
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» damn it!
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» Like chess moves & rain, nothing is entirely good
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» RE: Like chess moves & rain, nothing is entirely good- bad Info
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» Tariffs will not bring back home the manufacturing jobs that left. You'll only cause more inflation.
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» RE: Tariffs will not bring back home the manufacturing jobs that left.= BS
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» RE: Tariffs will not bring back home the manufacturing jobs that left.= BS
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» RE: Tariffs will not bring back home the manufacturing jobs that left.= BS
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» RE: Tariffs will not bring back home the manufacturing jobs that left. You'll only cause more inflation.
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» RE: Tariffs will not bring back home the manufacturing jobs that left. You'll only cause more inflation.
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» It may be a bribe ....
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» RE: It may be a bribe ....
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» RE: It may be a bribe like the tax cuts for wealthy
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» Does Anyone Know How to Opt Out?
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» Don't cop out - Opt out. Donate the money.
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» Use it for solar or wind power for your homes.
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» RE: what to do with that check
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» Mine's getting spent on U2 tickets
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» I already spent it on a new camera to capture some memories
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Posted by: SteveBreeze on Mar 28, 2008 4:12 AM
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» it really IS that simple
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Posted by: richholland on Mar 28, 2008 5:01 AM
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1; cheaper then new
2. no more destruction of environment
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» RE: My money gone
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» Wait to Selection Day 2008, GAS $2.00 a Gallon!
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» this would be funny...
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» RE: this would be funny...
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» It's possible
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» Or Maybe ... $6.00 per gallon gas ???!!!
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» RE: $600
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» RE: $600
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» RE: The Bush fix for a broken economy, what a joke!
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» RE: The Bush fix for a broken economy, what a joke!
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Posted by: Sissy on Mar 28, 2008 5:54 AM
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We shouldn't have to worry about outside forces bringing down our country, we seem to be doing a fine job all on our own.
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» The stimulus WILL help the U.S. economy...
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» Robbing The Poor!
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Posted by: Sunfell on Mar 28, 2008 6:44 AM
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They're not. Will this cover any real expenses I have? No. It'll patch up some leaks here and there, but it won't get me anything major. Can't get a decent computer with it. Can't go on any sort of vacation with it. In fact, to be honest, there's not much one can do with $600. Or $1200, either, for that matter.
If it was $6K, that might be helpful. Especially if it was permanently appended to my paycheck as a raise. That might put me into homebuyers territory, a place that is off-limits to me because I am single. Single people who make less than $60K cannot afford homes in most markets, and I don't want to have a mortgage for the rest of my life.
When we sent our manufacturing might overseas, we killed the goose that laid our golden eggs. When we sold out our country to overseas interests, we doomed our country to eventual economic collapse.
If you look at the big picture, this 'stimulus' is the last hurrah of a totally clueless and lost elite, who just don't get the realities of the mess they've made of our country. It's time for change- if not a revolution, then perhaps an evolution to a more realistic distribution of wealth. The elites believe that they are safe from the collapse. In fact, they are not. They've kicked the middle class ladder right out from under themselves, and are also sliding towards the edge.
30 years ago, my father was able to support a family of five on his paycheck alone- including the purchase of a home. That is impossible today, and families are making the potentially fatal error of using two paychecks to cover expenses. If one of the wage-earners loses their job or health, the whole thing collapses. And if they have kids, that is almost a surefire guarantee of future bankruptcy if such a thing happens.
My dad cannot understand how I can make more than he did at his age, but not be able to afford a home. I told him to go to the car lot and look at the prices of brand new cars, then remember what he paid for his home in '73. That got his attention.
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Posted by: opmoc on Mar 28, 2008 6:51 AM
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People are so close to the ground - by their own struggle for survival - and also their own political bias - that they can't see the bigger overall picture - which is a march to global government.
Global government sounds a great idea in principle. Elimination of wars and a fair sharing of all the World's resources - and an end to environmental destruction.
Lots of people are working to achieve this - but most still don't see the full picture. They too are just part of the jigsaw of the overall picture.
If you try and take a step back, and try and forget your political bias for a moment - and look objectively at all the major world issues - the common theme is FEAR.
In my view Financial Destruction, 9/11, War in Iraq, War on Terror, Fear of Climate Change - are all linked and ALL PLANNED.
The ultimate objective is Global Control and Mass Depopulation.
As a "Global Warming Activist" or a "Green" Environmentalist - you are part of the process of the march to Global Government - probably without even realising it. It may not have occurred to you - that your thought processes too are being manipulated by propaganda. That's how effective propaganda works. If you are aware of it then you have some resistance to it.
As "THEY" are nearly in control of everything - even what "WE" think - there's not much we can do about it.
Voting isn't going to help - because nearly all the politicans too have been manipulated and can't think truly objectively. Those that can such as Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich - are marginalised and sidelined by a media that is not only complicit - but completely owned.
Is an International Financial Conspiracy Driving World Events?
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» Courage is something you need, opmoc...
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 28, 2008 7:53 AM
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an increased federal* budget
an increased federal* deficit
and and increased national* debt.
*substitute "taxpayer's", because there are no free rides, and money generally has to come from somewhere, up until the point where we as a citizenry allow our government to just print paper in the basement...
...with those associated, catastrophic costs, also.
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Posted by: lexicon on Mar 28, 2008 7:57 AM
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So, the economic stimulus package, along with the new FED discount window to brokerage houses, is simply a way to keep things stable FOR A TIME, so that the "list" of folks that were caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, could quietly and gracefully revise their positions, and be on the "right" side of "the line" when things are finally allowed to tank.
"The Line" is the divider between those who will be protected from the collapse, and those who will be standing around in their undergarments, dazed, holding the bag.
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 28, 2008 8:04 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 28, 2008 8:28 AM
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a) pay down some of their credit
b) use their April welfare check to pay for/finance their summer vacation drive
c) purchase a secured investment, such as a CD, or simply save it
How does that benefit the economy? A) helps out the banking industry a little bit, but that's a--relatively--small part of what we consider "duh economy".
B) Helps the state and federal government by increasing their fuel taxes, and to a lesser degree large oil companies...again...not doing a whole lot to promote job growth in the U.S. with the exception of interstate tourism.
C) Pours cash back into the banking system, but that cash must be paid back with interest, and is on the line for withdrawal at any time hence.
My wife and I are using our newly-found welfare recipient status (to the tune of ~$1000, plus whatever Veterans benefits they mail me) to buy a new $78 Samsung laser printer and another certificate of deposit, to be used towards a 30%-ish down payment on a modest house when the foolish mortgagers and foolish mortgagees finally get really desperate.
Indeed, rock bottom in the real estate market is looking ridiculously good to folks who place at least some marginal value on financial security and common sense with their incomes. The only hiccup would be if the government decides to get in the business of subsidizing stupid...oops, considering the Iraq debacle, it isn't entirely unlikely that there will be some bailout effort. We'll have to wait and see.
Meh, back to the welfare checks: I sincerely hope that good feeling Congresscritters get by doling out "free cash", and that fleeting sense of empowerment for folks who have never held $600 in their hands at one time was worth it for the U.S. taxpayers to stimulate the Korean printer market, government fuel receipts, big oil, a smidge of interstate tourism, and the banking industry.
Good luck, and don't spend it all at one time: we're entering record deficits and record national debt territory, so that money is going to have to go back, sometime. And they have tanks and lawyers to help collect it...
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Posted by: perplexed on Mar 28, 2008 8:39 AM
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Posted by: drh160 on Mar 28, 2008 8:42 AM
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Donna Hernandez
Let’s Crunch the Numbers
CNN.com posted a story the other day on rebate checks from the IRS with a schedule to let everyone who files their taxes know when they’ll be receiving the $600 promised to individuals earning less than $75,000 a year. The Federal Reserve also announced interest rate cuts today. But will that be enough to address the hardest hit of the U.S.’s communities?
Although the rebate may relieve the spring and summer budget crunch, I can’t help but feel these measures will better serve wealthy individuals and companies faster than we can count it. Gas prices alone went up overnight to $3.267 a gallon, reaching an all time high of $110 a barrel. And although we’ve had five interest rate cuts since September of 2007 with another cut today, the question still remains – is it enough and is it too late? Will it actually address the budget issue and should these and other measures have been considered sooner?
As history has proven, the Fed will reverse its cuts once its leaders feel the economy is stable. But somehow, I don’t think the Federal Reserve’s decision will be based on how poor people are affected. In general, the Fed’s actions will be based on the value of the dollar at home and abroad, as well as cover their collective rear-ends because they failed to prevent the mortgage crisis. Further, the cuts will not address issues that affect poor people like soaring gas prices, decreasing lender confidence that make student loans more difficult to obtain, disproportionate housing cost drops, rising mortgage interest ratios, or the poor people’s dependence on high interest credit cards.
In my economic stimulus package, our rebates would be larger, returning to poor people more of the public money that has gone to Big Business in the form of tax breaks—given to them even while they precipitated our current economic woes. And, yes the rebates would also be given to non-registered immigrants. I would cap student loans at lower fixed rates than what is currently offered. And I would also cap mortgage rates at the lowest rates possible to give homeowners a chance to recover from bad loans. An economic stimulus package is deficient without a plan to lower dependency on oil. In addition, the Federal Reserve would no longer bail Wall Street out but rather concentrate on small business owners who are in need of loans to make their business more sustainable.
The bottom line is that there are more poor people than there are wealthy. Economic measures that don’t improve the lives of poor people will keep the economy at a depressed state. As more people of color slide further into poverty and the ranks of the working poor increase, the economy gets more and more cumbersome. The Federal Reserve and Federal Government should concentrate on expanding the economy by expanding the base of people that can participate in it. When poor people have more opportunities, we can begin to talk about stabilizing our economy.
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Posted by: joeunix on Mar 28, 2008 9:29 AM
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Because controlled recession allows the Republicans and their corporate crony's to bid down the wages of every American.
It's really not hard to understand, if you're willing to think about it.
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Posted by: HughScott on Mar 28, 2008 10:52 AM
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Read the stimulus wording and you will learn that people who owe the IRS back taxes will not receive a rebate. Instead, the stimulus payment will be used to help settle their federal debt.
If credit-burdened consumers do the same thing -- pay off debt -- there will be no short-term boost to our economy.
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Posted by: willymack on Mar 28, 2008 12:06 PM
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Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Mar 28, 2008 3:15 PM
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Posted by: PaulC on Mar 28, 2008 3:24 PM
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If you are like me and expect to see a modest refund from the feds each year then you are being led about by the nose on this one - ANY "REBATE" YOU GET THIS YEAR WILL BE DEDUCTED FROM THE TAX REFUND YOU OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED NEXT YEAR!! Only if you would not have received a refund next year will you actually get to keep your rebate! If your refund next year is less than the rebate this year then you are out the refund but don't have to pay the balance (that is the only real incentive being offered here).
This is a big friggin scam. Don't spend this "rebate" thinking it is free money because it is not, it is a cash advance.
peace,
Paul
(P.S. - I learned this from the self-help guru in the Plain Dealer's business section in her response to a reader's question on this matter and I believe her to be very well informed and very reliable)
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» RE: What rebate? THIS IS NOT A REBATE - IT IS A CASH ADVANCE!!
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Posted by: jackyD on Mar 28, 2008 6:40 PM
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Posted by: drc3po on Mar 28, 2008 10:21 PM
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If this were the 1950's or 60's, even with no income from the wife, with a job like mine we would have a nice suburban house, 2 cars in the garage, be able to support 2.5 kids, take a nice vacation every year, put money in the bank, and look forward to a retirement pension on top of SS.
It's ironic that we spent the entire last century in an ideological war over the superiority of capitalism vs. communism, and now the only real communist country left on the planet is the world's top economic powerhouse that totally has us by the balls. And meanwhile our capitalist economy has tanked to the point that our "middle class" now lives like India [used to]!
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Posted by: zorba1 on Mar 30, 2008 7:12 PM
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As for all this talk on global warming! In the last two million years there have been twenty ice ages, which means there have been twenty periods of global warming.
It is just another natural cycle.
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» Isn't it most likely
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Posted by: mnola101 on Apr 1, 2008 7:05 PM
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Wealth is created by making, selling and buying things, not just buying them. Shouldn't that be obvious to all?
These rebate checks and the Feds bailing out financial institutions who have been operating a big Ponzi scheme will eventually fail and then we will all have to accept a much lower standard of living, seeing foreigners(semitic Arabs and Asians, whoo how scary!) buying up our country being the final, just outcome of our arrogance, ignorance and general awfulness.
And who more appropriate than a former alcoholic coke addict, draft dodging faux Texan to lead the way?
Take heart America, when the end does come we can hug all our spectacular weaponry and feel so masculine doing so.
Shock and Awe, bring it on!
Just desserts, indeed.
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Apr 5, 2008 1:17 PM
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Greed does not pay - a lesson all over again. Like Ford said, you have to pay your workers enough to buy your product - and also you have to have some morals too - and some sense of shame so greed does not become overwhelming in its presence. U.S. society seems to have legislated these behaviors out over time and now we are left with lawless leaders who just don't have to care. Why? Because there are not enough activists...only inflamed consumers buying the "lifestyle" that they cannot afford and wondering why that does not fulfill them. A fulfilling life is based on being concerned enough for our fellow man not to raid his pension, not to harm others with greed and so on. A fulfilling and moral life does not include the kind of selfishness this administration has encouraged and abetted.
The only answer is a new administration of populists, not lootocrats. The greatest economic expansion was in the 1950's through 1970's...and that included high tax rates on upper income individuals. In effect this made sure that economic power was not so concentrated and it is one of the great tenants of a true democracy. I hope we will get back to that again - but only if voters vote with sense, not heuristics, not protest votes, and not with prejudicial and uninformed votes. Good luck to us all.
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Posted by: HeatherC on Apr 17, 2008 10:59 PM
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It doesn't matter who the next president is or what he/she tries to do. The US Government is now hamstrung with a $9.5 trillion debt to the Federal Reserve System. Only way out of that is to pay it off with our tax dollars. This is it, folks. Time to call it quits as a superpower. Let's split up the country like we grumbled about doing back in 2004 and be done with it.
We can start by paying our federal taxes to our home states-an idea I've read a lot about on the Internet lately-so that we are well-insulated from the economic fallout that will bring the remainder of the US to its knees. The rich bankers-Saudis, Europeans, Japan and China-can tighten their belts for once. Then we declare our independence and become a separate country with our own currency, our own constitution...we could really use a new national anthem anyway.
Face it, people, it's not gonna get any better until we the people draw the line. That line can only be a border between us northern industrialized states and the rest of the country that snubs us even after we pay for their roads, schools, bridges and federally-subsidized damn-near-everything-they-got. Time to serve Washington the divorce papers. Blue state liberals and conservatives are in the same boat because of this, for better or for worse. Liberals and conservatives have done equal damage to this country. No more party politics, just pull our wagons in a circle and fight it together. Don't wait until the next election for more empty promises. Git 'er done!
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