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Checks for $600 Won't Fix Our Economy

By Jim Hightower, Hightower Lowdown. Posted March 28, 2008.


America can't shop its way to greatness, and this one-time, government-funded shopping spree won't lead us to a sound economy.

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Washington was excited. The media establishment applauded. Wall Street smiled. Somewhere, a bluebird of happiness chirped.

In a celebrated display of bipartisanship, both parties joined hands last month to pass a whopper of a stimulus package. Cash, they crowed, would soon be flowing. "We're sending a $600 check to you, and $300 to you, and $1,200 to couples, and...well, almost everyone will get money! It's manna straight from heaven to get our big ol' economy high-ballin' down Prosperity Highway," they exulted.

"Not that there's anything wrong with our economy," they quickly added. "No, no," said the self-congratulatory stimulators. "Everything's fine. Really fine. Really."

In his State of the Union peroration, Bush insisted, "Americans can be confident about our economic growth." Treasury Secretary Henry Paulsen chimed in, "The U.S. economy is fundamentally strong." Buckshot Cheney came out of his bunker to assert that America has a "solid platform" for continued economic growth. And Condi Rice assured world leaders that our economy is "resilient, its structure sound, and its long-term economic fundamentals are healthy."

Hmmm. If the basics of the economy are in such great shape, why would we need all this cheerleading by the wizards in charge? You don't have to be in Who's Who to know what's what. They can whoop it up 'til they're hoarse, but for most Americans, the kitchen-table fundamentals are nothing to cheer about. As a fellow in Missouri recently said to me, "If these are good times, why aren't I having one?"

While it's probably rude of me to look a gift stimulus in the mouth, this one seems seriously flawed. The feeble philosophy behind it is the same that shaped George W's insulting comment after 9/11, when he declared that the highest civic role of the American people is to "go shopping." Come on, George, America can't shop its way to greatness, nor will this onetime, government-funded shopping spree lead us to a sound economy.

Follow the money: Let's say your check arrives and you drive straight to Wal-Mart to pick out some new clothes, an electronic gizmo you've been wanting, and a couple of toys for the kids. Pay your $300 to $600 and--listen!--you can almost hear the economic machinery kicking into gear, stimulated by your purchase of products.

But wait--we make very little of that stuff in America anymore. Those machinery noises are coming from China, where Wal-Mart and most other retailers have their goods made. Thus, our leaders are shipping billions of dollars from our public treasury to you and me, asking us to spend it in an economy that's based on further enriching Wal-Mart's wealthiest investors and further stimulating China's massive export economy. How sound is that? Wal-Mart and China profit--but we don't.

The real economy

You wouldn't know it if you depend on the conventional media for your news, but the stock market is not the economy, and economic growth is not the same as economic health. For years, stock prices have been buoyant and the Gross Domestic Product (GDP is essentially the total wealth generated by our economy each year) has been growing like a teenage boy, increasing by more than a third from 2001 to 2007. These two indicators have become the Holy Duo for defining American prosperity, and since they have been ascendant, the country's comfortable economic establishment has happily assumed that all is well.

These elites are clueless about the real economy. Take Alan Binder, a former member of the Federal Reserve Board and a policy confidant of several Democrats, including the Clintons. Earlier this year, this high-powered thinker was baffled by polls showing widespread economic pessimism. "People are more sour about the economy than the data would seem to warrant," he mused.

Alan, Alan, Alan. For the vast majority of folks, the data that matter are the statistics telling them whether their in-come is keeping up with their out-go. Macro numbers like GDP and the Dow Jones average don't put food on the table, gas in the tank, or money in the bank. Washington's plutocratic policies--which knock down wages, outsource jobs, prevent unionization, deny health care, usurp worker and consumer rights, loot pensions, etcetera--have deliberately "decoupled" the benefits of growth from any notion of shared prosperity. Even though we've all worked harder and longer to produce more wealth than ever in America, the GDP's rising tide has not lifted most boats--and many boats have been swamped. It's not irrational anxiety that's fueling people's glumness--it's reality.

This economic distress has grown dramatically under Bush & Company, but the current administration did not create it. Since the mid-1970s, the richest one-tenth of 1% of Americans have seen their wealth jump astronomically, and others in the top 1% have also done well. The next rung of families, those in the top 10%, has done less well, but has still enjoyed real income gains. Everyone else--the remaining 90% of the American people--have not even kept up with inflation, instead experiencing a drop in their real income.


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From "The Hightower Lowdown," edited by Jim Hightower and Phillip Frazer, March 2008. Jim Hightower is a national radio commentator, writer, public speaker and author of the new book Swim Against the Current: Even a Dead Fish Can Go With the Flow. (Wiley, March 2008)

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Gosh, what a bargain!
Posted by: Rune on Mar 28, 2008 12:34 AM   
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The government is going to borrow more money on my behalf, thus devaluing all of my money, then they are going to give me a token sum of cash and hope that I spend it (not likely when the writing is so clearly on the wall) so that my local retailer will reorder some stuff (from abroad) and keep the economy turning just long enough to get us through the next election before the currency and domestic businesses collapse. Such a deal!

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And One more Thing ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Mar 28, 2008 12:39 AM   
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We need tariffs.

Tariffs are the only way to compete against currency manipulation, product dumping, subsidized production, slave wages and environmental degradation.

Will everything get more expensive? Yep, but with the dollar collapsing everything will get more expensive anyway. So, either we enact tariffs that will protect and add good jobs and pay more or we do what we are doing and lose more and more good jobs and pay more anyway.

They won't tell you this but tariffs are what made this country great. We protected our industry from unfair overseas competition from the beginning. The tariff policy is what caused the Civil War, the industrialized protected North versus the Cotton Cash Crop free trade South. The North triumphed and industry blossomed.

Since the introduction of our petro dollar economy in the 70s out trade deficit has only gone one way ... UP ... strong dollar, weak dollar .... higher trade deficits. And why ?... lower tariffs, and looking the other way while Japan manipulated its currency, subsidized production and blocked our imports and investment. Then it was Korea, The Asian Tigers and now it is China. Our trade deficit is now over 700 billion.

Without tariffs we bleed to death as jobs and investment flow away. Without tariffs the falling dollar will make everything expensive anyway.

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» RE: And One more Thing ... Posted by: JSquercia
» damn it! Posted by: hurricane hugo
Its A Bribe!
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Mar 28, 2008 1:53 AM   
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Anyone in their right mind knows this won't stimulate the economy. Its just another example of the crooked mindset of this administration...

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» It may be a bribe .... Posted by: skoog5600
» RE: It may be a bribe .... Posted by: jvaljon1
what to do with that check
Posted by: socialpsych on Mar 28, 2008 3:25 AM   
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Kick Big Business in the shins by paying down debt. That will deprive them of profits. If you are debt-free, use the check to pay taxes. In any event, don't buy that flat-screen tv.

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» Mine's getting spent on U2 tickets Posted by: hurricane hugo
» RE: what to do with that check Posted by: cwilsondrum
SteveBreeze
Posted by: SteveBreeze on Mar 28, 2008 4:12 AM   
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We aint over taxed we're underpaid. It's just that simple.

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» it really IS that simple Posted by: deborama
donot buy from China
Posted by: richholland on Mar 28, 2008 5:01 AM   
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use this money to buy secondhand things;
1; cheaper then new
2. no more destruction of environment

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» RE: do NOT buy from China! Posted by: nochicagoboys
My money gone
Posted by: fred_53_99 on Mar 28, 2008 5:06 AM   
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I have spent my so called tax rebate . Im replacing the transmission on my 2002 Caravan. Meanwhile my 1994 toyta keeps running

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» RE: My money gone Posted by: yale
Willybill
Posted by: WILLYBILLO7 on Mar 28, 2008 5:11 AM   
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Do what my family is doing.....We're sending the money to Iraqi refugees.

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» RE: Willybill Posted by: jvaljon1
$600
Posted by: Trazom on Mar 28, 2008 5:24 AM   
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won't even fill up my oil tank.

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» this would be funny... Posted by: lexicon
» RE: this would be funny... Posted by: jvaljon1
» RE: this would be funny... Posted by: Artkansas
» It's possible Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: $600 Posted by: Trazom
$600
Posted by: Trazom on Mar 28, 2008 5:25 AM   
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is the going rate for an ER visit. Better hope your kid doesn't fall off the monkey bars.

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» RE: $600 Posted by: Cooltruth
The Bush fix for a broken economy, what a joke!
Posted by: yale on Mar 28, 2008 5:38 AM   
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Just throw money at it and maybe it will go away. Our gross domestic product/economy is in trouble and this is the best our smiling little monkey can come up with? The oil companies are already cleaning out their wheelbarrows so they can haul away a good chunk of the cash as they will be waiting at the pumps for us to show up this summer. And those of us who get late checks into the fall will end up giving a big slice of that to keep the home fires burning. The root cause of our failing economy is still not being taken seriously, and until we change the current attatude of, take as much as you can grab, it will only get worse.

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Willybill
Posted by: WILLYBILLO7 on Mar 28, 2008 5:53 AM   
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Just to elaborate a bit...If you are against this "bribery, Stimulus Package check", put your money where your belief lies and send the cash to some charity outside this UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC....such as an Iqaqi refugee program or the World Hunger Program. This is money for which your grandkids grandkids will be paying.....put their money to good use rather than feeding the war machine.

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Sure it will fix "an economy" ~ BUT
Posted by: Sissy on Mar 28, 2008 5:54 AM   
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It just won't be the U.S. economy. I cannot believe the absolutely stupidity of this so-called "stimulus package". We have to borrow yet more money from China so that we will hopefully spend the money on products made in China! That is of course unless its needed in the gas tank or on minor things in life like prescriptions or utility payments.

We shouldn't have to worry about outside forces bringing down our country, we seem to be doing a fine job all on our own.

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The socialization of the banks
Posted by: outwiz on Mar 28, 2008 6:22 AM   
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Isn't it ironic that the country does not want socialization in the areas of works programs, healthcare and housing, but is more than willing to bail out the rich in the banks. In other words the top 10% will take the 90%,s money and bail (practice socilism) when it comes to bailing out each other, with our money, but hate the idea of socializing the health care in this country. Great article, where is a cadidate who will implement this?

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» Robbing The Poor! Posted by: williameon
Politicians for the people!
Posted by: Boomerbabe on Mar 28, 2008 6:44 AM   
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What ever happened to the concept of the "public good"? Everyone suffers as infrastructure collapses. However, it's the poor and the lower middle class that rely more on public amenities. Do the wealthy even care?

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"Stimulus"? No, not really
Posted by: Sunfell on Mar 28, 2008 6:44 AM   
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Calling this government bribe a 'stimulus' is like calling a teaser rate for a subprime mortgage 'realistic'.

They're not. Will this cover any real expenses I have? No. It'll patch up some leaks here and there, but it won't get me anything major. Can't get a decent computer with it. Can't go on any sort of vacation with it. In fact, to be honest, there's not much one can do with $600. Or $1200, either, for that matter.

If it was $6K, that might be helpful. Especially if it was permanently appended to my paycheck as a raise. That might put me into homebuyers territory, a place that is off-limits to me because I am single. Single people who make less than $60K cannot afford homes in most markets, and I don't want to have a mortgage for the rest of my life.

When we sent our manufacturing might overseas, we killed the goose that laid our golden eggs. When we sold out our country to overseas interests, we doomed our country to eventual economic collapse.

If you look at the big picture, this 'stimulus' is the last hurrah of a totally clueless and lost elite, who just don't get the realities of the mess they've made of our country. It's time for change- if not a revolution, then perhaps an evolution to a more realistic distribution of wealth. The elites believe that they are safe from the collapse. In fact, they are not. They've kicked the middle class ladder right out from under themselves, and are also sliding towards the edge.

30 years ago, my father was able to support a family of five on his paycheck alone- including the purchase of a home. That is impossible today, and families are making the potentially fatal error of using two paychecks to cover expenses. If one of the wage-earners loses their job or health, the whole thing collapses. And if they have kids, that is almost a surefire guarantee of future bankruptcy if such a thing happens.

My dad cannot understand how I can make more than he did at his age, but not be able to afford a home. I told him to go to the car lot and look at the prices of brand new cars, then remember what he paid for his home in '73. That got his attention.

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It's Not an Economic Accident - But Part of The Globalisation Plan
Posted by: opmoc on Mar 28, 2008 6:51 AM   
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The idea that major world events are accidental is naive. Things don't just happen - they are planned - by the exceedingly rich and powerful.

People are so close to the ground - by their own struggle for survival - and also their own political bias - that they can't see the bigger overall picture - which is a march to global government.

Global government sounds a great idea in principle. Elimination of wars and a fair sharing of all the World's resources - and an end to environmental destruction.

Lots of people are working to achieve this - but most still don't see the full picture. They too are just part of the jigsaw of the overall picture.

If you try and take a step back, and try and forget your political bias for a moment - and look objectively at all the major world issues - the common theme is FEAR.

In my view Financial Destruction, 9/11, War in Iraq, War on Terror, Fear of Climate Change - are all linked and ALL PLANNED.

The ultimate objective is Global Control and Mass Depopulation.

As a "Global Warming Activist" or a "Green" Environmentalist - you are part of the process of the march to Global Government - probably without even realising it. It may not have occurred to you - that your thought processes too are being manipulated by propaganda. That's how effective propaganda works. If you are aware of it then you have some resistance to it.

As "THEY" are nearly in control of everything - even what "WE" think - there's not much we can do about it.

Voting isn't going to help - because nearly all the politicans too have been manipulated and can't think truly objectively. Those that can such as Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich - are marginalised and sidelined by a media that is not only complicit - but completely owned.

Is an International Financial Conspiracy Driving World Events?

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» Get real!!! Posted by: PaulC
» RE: Get real!!! Posted by: opmoc
making me MORE nervous
Posted by: zooeyhall on Mar 28, 2008 7:01 AM   
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The more that Bush, the press, the pundits, and the MSM tell me that the economy is ok and there is nothing to worry about--well, the more nervous I get that it ISN'T going ok!

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Clueless?
Posted by: zeofredo on Mar 28, 2008 7:10 AM   
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Are the elites really so woefully clueless as you suggest? I would have you consider that those at the top of the pyramid are entirely in command of the situation. It's a big mistake to see our leaders and controllers as hapless, bumbling idiots (aside from the 'obvious' one who responds to the remote control device in the Vice President's hands)... they DARE you to risk your personal well-being and security and make a genuine case against them for their willful acts of socioeconomic sabotage.

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» Rebuttal Posted by: Gungneir
Meh...it's like giving out an EITC sans...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 28, 2008 7:53 AM   
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the socially acceptable discrimination factors, with all the associated costs of putting everyone on government welfare checks:

an increased federal* budget

an increased federal* deficit

and and increased national* debt.

*substitute "taxpayer's", because there are no free rides, and money generally has to come from somewhere, up until the point where we as a citizenry allow our government to just print paper in the basement...


...with those associated, catastrophic costs, also.

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It's all about providing for a graceful exit...
Posted by: lexicon on Mar 28, 2008 7:57 AM   
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What has happened here, is that somehow, the "trigger" got pulled on the meltdown at the wrong time, and some of the playas that should have been in the "take" were caught out on the wrong side of "the line".

So, the economic stimulus package, along with the new FED discount window to brokerage houses, is simply a way to keep things stable FOR A TIME, so that the "list" of folks that were caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, could quietly and gracefully revise their positions, and be on the "right" side of "the line" when things are finally allowed to tank.

"The Line" is the divider between those who will be protected from the collapse, and those who will be standing around in their undergarments, dazed, holding the bag.

lexicon

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Be Frugal
Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 28, 2008 8:04 AM   
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Save your money. If you have to spend this incentive spend it on the bare necessities or pay down your debt. We are a nation of consumers. If we don't consume, the government will pay attention to us. We are overcome with junk, awash with junk, our landfills seem never ending and we don't need to buy more junk from China. We only have elections every few years to vote on the economy or lack thereof, but we can control how we spend our money and the government and the corporations will pay attention to us. We can hope that the government and the Federal Reserve Bank will begin to look at we the people as being as valuable as the corporations making up the Stock Market, which of course has received massive doses of welfare money backed by us taxpayers. If you really want to torture the powers that be, get out of the stockmarket if you are in it.

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oh, and more to the point:
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 28, 2008 8:28 AM   
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Those who get these checks will largely:

a) pay down some of their credit

b) use their April welfare check to pay for/finance their summer vacation drive

c) purchase a secured investment, such as a CD, or simply save it

How does that benefit the economy? A) helps out the banking industry a little bit, but that's a--relatively--small part of what we consider "duh economy".

B) Helps the state and federal government by increasing their fuel taxes, and to a lesser degree large oil companies...again...not doing a whole lot to promote job growth in the U.S. with the exception of interstate tourism.

C) Pours cash back into the banking system, but that cash must be paid back with interest, and is on the line for withdrawal at any time hence.

My wife and I are using our newly-found welfare recipient status (to the tune of ~$1000, plus whatever Veterans benefits they mail me) to buy a new $78 Samsung laser printer and another certificate of deposit, to be used towards a 30%-ish down payment on a modest house when the foolish mortgagers and foolish mortgagees finally get really desperate.

Indeed, rock bottom in the real estate market is looking ridiculously good to folks who place at least some marginal value on financial security and common sense with their incomes. The only hiccup would be if the government decides to get in the business of subsidizing stupid...oops, considering the Iraq debacle, it isn't entirely unlikely that there will be some bailout effort. We'll have to wait and see.

Meh, back to the welfare checks: I sincerely hope that good feeling Congresscritters get by doling out "free cash", and that fleeting sense of empowerment for folks who have never held $600 in their hands at one time was worth it for the U.S. taxpayers to stimulate the Korean printer market, government fuel receipts, big oil, a smidge of interstate tourism, and the banking industry.

Good luck, and don't spend it all at one time: we're entering record deficits and record national debt territory, so that money is going to have to go back, sometime. And they have tanks and lawyers to help collect it...

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perplexed
Posted by: perplexed on Mar 28, 2008 8:39 AM   
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Buy the pesants off with peanuts like they are doing in Iraq and give the big buck to the crimminals of WALL STREET.

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Let's Crunch the Numbers
Posted by: drh160 on Mar 28, 2008 8:42 AM   
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Racewire Blog - Posted at 1:22 PM, Mar 18, 2008
Donna Hernandez
Let’s Crunch the Numbers

CNN.com posted a story the other day on rebate checks from the IRS with a schedule to let everyone who files their taxes know when they’ll be receiving the $600 promised to individuals earning less than $75,000 a year. The Federal Reserve also announced interest rate cuts today. But will that be enough to address the hardest hit of the U.S.’s communities?

Although the rebate may relieve the spring and summer budget crunch, I can’t help but feel these measures will better serve wealthy individuals and companies faster than we can count it. Gas prices alone went up overnight to $3.267 a gallon, reaching an all time high of $110 a barrel. And although we’ve had five interest rate cuts since September of 2007 with another cut today, the question still remains – is it enough and is it too late? Will it actually address the budget issue and should these and other measures have been considered sooner?

As history has proven, the Fed will reverse its cuts once its leaders feel the economy is stable. But somehow, I don’t think the Federal Reserve’s decision will be based on how poor people are affected. In general, the Fed’s actions will be based on the value of the dollar at home and abroad, as well as cover their collective rear-ends because they failed to prevent the mortgage crisis. Further, the cuts will not address issues that affect poor people like soaring gas prices, decreasing lender confidence that make student loans more difficult to obtain, disproportionate housing cost drops, rising mortgage interest ratios, or the poor people’s dependence on high interest credit cards.

In my economic stimulus package, our rebates would be larger, returning to poor people more of the public money that has gone to Big Business in the form of tax breaks—given to them even while they precipitated our current economic woes. And, yes the rebates would also be given to non-registered immigrants. I would cap student loans at lower fixed rates than what is currently offered. And I would also cap mortgage rates at the lowest rates possible to give homeowners a chance to recover from bad loans. An economic stimulus package is deficient without a plan to lower dependency on oil. In addition, the Federal Reserve would no longer bail Wall Street out but rather concentrate on small business owners who are in need of loans to make their business more sustainable.

The bottom line is that there are more poor people than there are wealthy. Economic measures that don’t improve the lives of poor people will keep the economy at a depressed state. As more people of color slide further into poverty and the ranks of the working poor increase, the economy gets more and more cumbersome. The Federal Reserve and Federal Government should concentrate on expanding the economy by expanding the base of people that can participate in it. When poor people have more opportunities, we can begin to talk about stabilizing our economy.

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$600
Posted by: pfm on Mar 28, 2008 9:06 AM   
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What…? Are you honestly suggesting “we” can not spend our way out of the financial fiasco in which we find our country…? Why, the TV pundits, talking head economists, FED, Pres Bush, and his minions all profess this is precisely the cure we need to turn the corner and correct our the minor glitch in our economy. Why “we” chose to follow Bush’s advise and leadership into a war against the sovereign nation of Iraq, so why would we not follow his advise and leadership on the current state of our economy….? Do you mean to suggest that “we” may have actually learned something…?

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Bush has no intention of fixing our economy
Posted by: joeunix on Mar 28, 2008 9:29 AM   
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Why?

Because controlled recession allows the Republicans and their corporate crony's to bid down the wages of every American.

It's really not hard to understand, if you're willing to think about it.

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The stimulus' fatal flaw is spelled out in the package
Posted by: HughScott on Mar 28, 2008 10:52 AM   
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The stimulus package supports the wisdom of paying off debt rather than spend the rebate on consumer goods.
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Read the stimulus wording and you will learn that people who owe the IRS back taxes will not receive a rebate. Instead, the stimulus payment will be used to help settle their federal debt.

If credit-burdened consumers do the same thing -- pay off debt -- there will be no short-term boost to our economy.

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Typical bushie ploy
Posted by: willymack on Mar 28, 2008 12:06 PM   
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By dangling a $600 carrot in front of us, the bushies think they'll buy our friendship and acquiescense. They can only think in terms of money, anyway; that's why they stole so much from us, and that's why they think they can bribe the Iraqis to help make the "surge" look good. We all know what a resounding success that's been, now, don't we?

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It won't even be much of a shopping spree.
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Mar 28, 2008 3:15 PM   
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These refunds will largely be used to pay bills.

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What rebate? THIS IS NOT A REBATE - IT IS A CASH ADVANCE!!
Posted by: PaulC on Mar 28, 2008 3:24 PM   
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This is NOT A REBATE you are getting - IT IS A CASH ADVANCE ON NEXT YEAR'S REFUND CHECK!!!!

If you are like me and expect to see a modest refund from the feds each year then you are being led about by the nose on this one - ANY "REBATE" YOU GET THIS YEAR WILL BE DEDUCTED FROM THE TAX REFUND YOU OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED NEXT YEAR!! Only if you would not have received a refund next year will you actually get to keep your rebate! If your refund next year is less than the rebate this year then you are out the refund but don't have to pay the balance (that is the only real incentive being offered here).

This is a big friggin scam. Don't spend this "rebate" thinking it is free money because it is not, it is a cash advance.


peace,
Paul

(P.S. - I learned this from the self-help guru in the Plain Dealer's business section in her response to a reader's question on this matter and I believe her to be very well informed and very reliable)

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Can We All Go Vomit Now?
Posted by: sofla100 on Mar 28, 2008 4:47 PM   
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The politicians must think Americans are as stupid as the day is long. With massive levels of debt to pay for a foolish war and tax cuts for the wealthy, of course the economy would go on the skids. Not only that, the housing fiasco, caused by a bunch of greedy bastards trying to become multi-millionaires overnight, and is it any wonder we are all going down the economic drain. And, then the politicians, what $600? Is this some kind of joke? Some kind of sick, pathetic joke? Can we all go vomit now?

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In a Nutshell
Posted by: jackyD on Mar 28, 2008 6:40 PM   
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The stimulus package is like putting a bandaid on a huge gaping bloody wound.

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The Real Reason
Posted by: greekTowner on Mar 28, 2008 7:15 PM   
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So you do your taxes

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Vanished middle class
Posted by: drc3po on Mar 28, 2008 10:21 PM   
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I am over 50, married, have a master's degree, and a decent administrative job in my state's largest university. I have no credit card debt, no car payment, and no kids to support. You'd think I'd be rich and yet I am pretty much financially paralyzed, living from paycheck to mouth. I am forced to buy groceries from Wal-Mart because other grocery stores are 20% higher. I can barely put gas in the car. An extravagant vacation consists of driving to the nearest big town (60 miles away) and eating out at Wendy's. If my debt-free car were to die, the most I could afford would be a used car in the $4000 range (read: already worn out). In case you think I'm strapped by a $1500 mortgage, I'm not. We live in a mobile home on inherited property. It would make a difference if my wife had an income close to mine, but she is on disability at $500 per month which just covers her out-of pocket medical, and that's after being covered by my work insurance plus medicare!

If this were the 1950's or 60's, even with no income from the wife, with a job like mine we would have a nice suburban house, 2 cars in the garage, be able to support 2.5 kids, take a nice vacation every year, put money in the bank, and look forward to a retirement pension on top of SS.

It's ironic that we spent the entire last century in an ideological war over the superiority of capitalism vs. communism, and now the only real communist country left on the planet is the world's top economic powerhouse that totally has us by the balls. And meanwhile our capitalist economy has tanked to the point that our "middle class" now lives like India [used to]!

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» RE: Vanished middle class Posted by: zorba1
zorba
Posted by: zorba1 on Mar 30, 2008 7:12 PM   
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Sorry but I am using mine to pay down our one credit card.
As for all this talk on global warming! In the last two million years there have been twenty ice ages, which means there have been twenty periods of global warming.
It is just another natural cycle.

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» Isn't it most likely Posted by: Lloyd Drako
mnola101
Posted by: mnola101 on Apr 1, 2008 7:05 PM   
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I think it's been pretty conclusively proven that a sustainable economy will never be produced by borrowing money, much of it from foreigners, to buy the things they make; God knows we Americans have been trying hard enough the last 25 years.
Wealth is created by making, selling and buying things, not just buying them. Shouldn't that be obvious to all?
These rebate checks and the Feds bailing out financial institutions who have been operating a big Ponzi scheme will eventually fail and then we will all have to accept a much lower standard of living, seeing foreigners(semitic Arabs and Asians, whoo how scary!) buying up our country being the final, just outcome of our arrogance, ignorance and general awfulness.
And who more appropriate than a former alcoholic coke addict, draft dodging faux Texan to lead the way?
Take heart America, when the end does come we can hug all our spectacular weaponry and feel so masculine doing so.
Shock and Awe, bring it on!


Just desserts, indeed.

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Nobody is going to spend that money.
Posted by: fanny666 on Apr 3, 2008 11:14 AM   
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It's going to be used to pay off credit cards for most working people. Politicians and wealthy pundits just do not grasp the economic reality of most Americans.

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CommonDreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Apr 5, 2008 1:17 PM   
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Our economic "leaders" couldn't run a 7-Eleven, let alone "the economy", as has been proven by this debacle. Now they crow about "rebates" to every American - as if it were something to be proud of - (and what a terrible waste of money - that it's not means tested and does not appear to have an income ceiling). When we could be making the case for raising wages for those who need it the most, instead we just put a bandaid on the hemmorage and hope it will stem the bleeding and waste money sending it to upper income individuals who have no worries anyway. Meanwhile, a one time check for $600 or $1200 is not going to address the slow bleed of the median and under income worker's wage rates...they just don't get it. We need a long term fix now: tax the irresponsible louts who got us into this mess in the first place - all the overpaid CEOS and return that money rightfully to those whose wages have been depressed, whose jobs have been shipped overseas, whose pensions have been raided, who have not seen a rise in real income since 1970, and who struggled to buy overpriced things like housing, education and so on - the prices of which were driven up by overpaid CEOs in the first place.

Greed does not pay - a lesson all over again. Like Ford said, you have to pay your workers enough to buy your product - and also you have to have some morals too - and some sense of shame so greed does not become overwhelming in its presence. U.S. society seems to have legislated these behaviors out over time and now we are left with lawless leaders who just don't have to care. Why? Because there are not enough activists...only inflamed consumers buying the "lifestyle" that they cannot afford and wondering why that does not fulfill them. A fulfilling life is based on being concerned enough for our fellow man not to raid his pension, not to harm others with greed and so on. A fulfilling and moral life does not include the kind of selfishness this administration has encouraged and abetted.

The only answer is a new administration of populists, not lootocrats. The greatest economic expansion was in the 1950's through 1970's...and that included high tax rates on upper income individuals. In effect this made sure that economic power was not so concentrated and it is one of the great tenants of a true democracy. I hope we will get back to that again - but only if voters vote with sense, not heuristics, not protest votes, and not with prejudicial and uninformed votes. Good luck to us all.

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BLUE STATE SECESSION NOW!!!!
Posted by: HeatherC on Apr 17, 2008 10:59 PM   
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OK, so we all know what the problem and the cause are. So what's the solution? Wait 'til next November and hope the next president will pull a magic wand out of his/her butt and make everything all better again? Not!

It doesn't matter who the next president is or what he/she tries to do. The US Government is now hamstrung with a $9.5 trillion debt to the Federal Reserve System. Only way out of that is to pay it off with our tax dollars. This is it, folks. Time to call it quits as a superpower. Let's split up the country like we grumbled about doing back in 2004 and be done with it.

We can start by paying our federal taxes to our home states-an idea I've read a lot about on the Internet lately-so that we are well-insulated from the economic fallout that will bring the remainder of the US to its knees. The rich bankers-Saudis, Europeans, Japan and China-can tighten their belts for once. Then we declare our independence and become a separate country with our own currency, our own constitution...we could really use a new national anthem anyway.

Face it, people, it's not gonna get any better until we the people draw the line. That line can only be a border between us northern industrialized states and the rest of the country that snubs us even after we pay for their roads, schools, bridges and federally-subsidized damn-near-everything-they-got. Time to serve Washington the divorce papers. Blue state liberals and conservatives are in the same boat because of this, for better or for worse. Liberals and conservatives have done equal damage to this country. No more party politics, just pull our wagons in a circle and fight it together. Don't wait until the next election for more empty promises. Git 'er done!

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