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Five Things You Need to Know to Understand the Latest Violence in Iraq
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There are indications that the unilateral ceasefire declared last year by the nationalist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr is collapsing. "The cease-fire is over; we have been told to fight the Americans," one militiaman loyal to al-Sadr told the Christian Science Monitor's Sam Dagher by telephone from Sadr City. Dagher added that the "same man, when interviewed in January, had stated that he was abiding by the cease-fire and that he was keeping busy running his cellular phone store."
A political track is also in play: Sadr has called on his followers to take to the streets to demand Maliki's resignation, and nationalist lawmakers in the Iraqi Parliament, led by al-Sadr's block, are trying to push a no-confidence vote challenging the prime minister's regime.
The conflict is one that the U.S. media appears incapable of describing in a coherent way. The prevailing narrative is that Basra has been ruled by mafialike militias -- which is true -- and that Iraqi government forces are now cracking down on the lawlessness in preparation for regional elections, which is not. As independent analyst Reider Visser noted:
On closer inspection, there are problems in these accounts. Perhaps most importantly, there is a discrepancy between the description of Basra as a city ruled by militias (in the plural) ... [and the] facts of the ongoing operations, which seem to target only one of these militia groups, the Mahdi Army loyal to Muqtada al-Sadr. Surely, if the aim was to make Basra a safer place, it would have been logical to do something to also stem the influence of the other militias loyal to the local competitors of the Sadrists, the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq [SIIC], as well as the armed groups allied to the Fadila party (sic) (which have dominated the oil protection services for a long time). But so far, only Sadrists have complained about attacks by government forces.The conflict doesn't conform to the analysis of the roots of Iraqi instability as briefed by U.S. officials in the heavily-fortified Green Zone. It also doesn't fit into the simplistic but popular narrative of a country wrought by sectarian violence, and its nature is obscured by the labels that the commercial media uncritically apply to the disparate centers of Iraqi resistance to the occupation.
The "crackdown" comes on the heels of the approval of a new "provincial law," which will ultimately determine whether Iraq remains a unified state with a strong central government or is divided into sectarian-based regional governates. The measure calls for provincial elections in October, and the winners of those elections will determine the future of the Iraqi state. Control of the country's oil wealth, and how its treasure will be developed, will also be significantly influenced by the outcome of the elections.
It's a relatively straightforward story: Iraq is ablaze today as a result of an attempt to impose Colombian-style democracy on the unstable country: Maliki's goal, shared by the like-minded allies among the Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish communities that dominate his administration, and with at least tacit U.S. approval, is to kill off the opposition and then hold a vote.
To better understand the nature of this latest round of conflict, here are five things one needs to know about what's taking place across Iraq.
1. A visible manifestation of Iraq's central-but-under-teported political conflict (not "sectarian violence")
Iraq, which had experienced little or no sectarian-based violence prior to the U.S. invasion, has been plagued with sectarian militias fighting for the streets of Iraq's formerly heterogeneous neighborhoods, and "sectarian violence" has become Americans' primary explanation for the instability that has plagued the country.
But the sectarian-based street-fighting is a symptom of a larger political conflict, one that has been poorly analyzed in the mainstream press. The real source of conflict in Iraq -- and the reason political reconciliation has been so difficult -- is a fundamental disagreement over what the future of Iraq will look like. Loosely defined, it is a clash of Iraqi nationalists -- with Muqtada al-Sadr as their most influential voice -- who desire a unified Iraqi state and public-sector management of the country's vast oil reserves and who forcefully reject foreign influence on Iraq's political process, be it from the United States, Iran or other outside forces.
The nationalists now represent a majority in Iraq's parliament but are opposed by what might be called Iraqi separatists, who envision a "soft partition" of Iraq into at least four semiautonomous and sectarian-based regional entities, welcome the privatization of the Iraqi energy sector (and the rest of the Iraqi economy) and rely on foreign support to maintain their power.
We've written about this long-standing conflict extensively in the past, and now we're seeing it come to a head, as we believed it would at some point.
2. U.S. is propping up unpopular regime; Sadr has support because of his platform
One of the ironies of the reporting out of Iraq is the ubiquitous characterization of Muqtada al-Sadr as a "renegade," "radical" or "militant" cleric, despite the fact that he is the only leader of significance in the country who has ordered his followers to stand down. His ostensible militancy appears to arise primarily from his opposition to the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq.
He has certainly been willing to use violence in the past, but the "firebrand" label belies the fact that Sadr is arguably the most popular leader among a large section of the Iraqi population and that he has forcefully rejected sectarian conflict and sought to bring together representatives of Iraq's various ethnic and sectarian groups in an effort to create real national reconciliation -- a process that the highly sectarian Maliki regime has failed to accomplish.
It's vitally important to understand that Sadr's popularity and legitimacy is a result of his having a platform that's favored by an overwhelming majority of Iraqis.
Most Iraqis:
- Favor a strong central government free of the influence of militias.
- Oppose, by a 2-1 margin, the privatization of Iraq's energy sector -- a "benchmark towards progress according to the Bush administration.
- Favor a U.S. withdrawal on a short timeline (PDF) (most believe the United States plans to build permanent bases -- both are issues about which the Sadrists have been vocal.
- Oppose al Qaeda and the ideology of Osama Bin Laden and, to a lesser degree, Iranian influence on Iraq's internal affairs.
With the exception of their opposition to Al Qaeda, the five major separatist parties -- Sunni, Shia and Kurdish -- that make up Maliki's governing coalition are on the deeply unpopular side of these issues. A poll conducted last year found that 65 percent of Iraqis think the Iraqi government is doing a poor job, and Maliki himself has a Bush-like 66 percent disapproval rate.
As in Vietnam, the United States is backing an unpopular and decidedly undemocratic government in Iraq, and that simple fact explains much of the violent resistance that's going on in Iraq today.
3. "Iraqi forces" are, in fact, "Iranian- (and U.S.-) backed Shiite militias"
Every headline this week has featured some variation of the storyline of "Iraqi security forces" battling "Shiite militias." But the reality is that it is a battle between Shite militias -- separatists and nationalists -- with one militia garbed in Iraqi army uniforms and supported by U.S. airpower, and the other in civilian clothes.
It has always been the great irony of the occupation of Iraq that "our" man in Baghdad is also Tehran's. Maliki heads the Dawa Party, which has long enjoyed close ties to Iran, and relies on support from SIIC, a staunchly pro-Iranian party, and its powerful Badr militia. The "government crackdown" is an escalation of a long-simmering conflict in the south between the Badr Brigade, the Sadrists and members of the Fadhila Party, which favors greater autonomy for Basra but rejects SIIC's vision of a larger Shiite-dominated regional entity in Southern Iraq.
4. Colombia-style democracy
Basra has been engulfed in a simmering conflict since before the British pulled their troops back to a remote base near the airport and turned over the city to Iraqi authorities. But the timing of this crackdown is not coincidental; Iraqi separatists -- Dawa, SIIC and others -- are expected to do poorly in the regional elections, while the Sadrists are widely anticipated to make significant gains. It is widely perceived by those loyal to Sadr that this is an attempt to wipe out the movement he leads prior to the elections and minimize the influence that Iraqi nationalists are poised to gain.
The United States, for its part, continues to take sides in this conflict -- in addition to providing airpower, U.S. forces are enforcing the curfew in Sadr City -- rather than playing the role of neutral mediator. That's because the interests of the Bush administration and its allies are aligned with Maliki and his coalition. That they are not aligned with the interests of most Iraqis is never mentioned in the Western press, but is a key reason why Bush's definition of "victory" -- the emergence of a legitimate and Democratic state that supports U.S. policy in the region -- has always been an impossible pipedream.
5. Chip off the old block: Maliki's attempt to criminalize dissent
It's unclear whether Sadr has lifted the cease-fire entirely, or simply freed his fighters to defend themselves. He continues to call for peaceful resistance.
Whatever the case may be, it's not entirely accurate to say that he "chose" this conflict. The reality is that while his army was holding the cease-fire, attacks on and detentions of Sadrists have continued unabated. Sadr renewed the cease-fire last month, but he did so over the urging of his top aides, who argued that their movement was threatened with annihilation. He later authorized his followers to carry weapons "for self-defense" to head off a mutiny within his ranks.
Ahmed al-Massoudi, a Sadrist member of Parliament, last week "accused the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, his Dawa Party and the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council (SIIC) of planning a military campaign to liquidate the Sadrists."
The lawmaker told Voices of Iraq that Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim's "SIIC and the Dawa Party have held meetings with officers of the militias merged recently into security agencies to launch a military campaign outwardly to impose order and law, but the real objective is to liquidate the Sadrist bloc." "Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is directly supervising this scheme with officers from the Dawa Party and the SIIC," he added. Despite his close ties with Tehran and deep involvement in Shiite militia activity, Hakim has been invited to the White House, where he was feted by Bush himself.
Sadr called for nationwide civil disobedience that would have allowed his followers to flex some political muscle in a nonviolent way. His orders, according to Iraqi reports were to distribute olive branches and copies of the Koran to soldiers at checkpoints.
The Maliki regime responded by saying that individuals joining the nationwide strike would be punished and that those organizing it are in violation of the Iraqi Counter-Terrorism Act issued in 2005. A spokesman for the prime minister promised to punish any government employees who failed to show up for work.
This is consistent with a long-term trend: the U.S.-backed government's obstruction of Iraqi efforts to foster political reconciliation among diverse groups of Iraq nationalists. (Read more about this here.)
Propaganda and the surge
The Maliki regime has set an ultimatum demanding that the militias -- the nationalist militias -- lay down their arms within the next two days or face "more serious consequences." Al-Sadr has also issued an ultimatum: The government must cease its attacks on his followers, or his followers will escalate. It is an extremely dangerous situation, especially given the fact that the main U.S. resupply routes stretch from Baghdad through the Shia-dominated southern provinces.
But the precariousness of the situation appears to be of little concern to the military command, which issued a statement saying that the violence was a result of the success of the U.S. troop "surge" (Bush called the "crackdown" a "bold decision'' that shows the country's security forces are capable of combating terrorists). It's yet another example of the administration putting U.S. geostrategic (and economic) interests ahead of Iraqi reconciliation and democratic governance.
The much-touted troop "surge" had little to do with the drop in violence in recent months -- it didn't even correlate with the lull chronologically and was certainly a minor causal factor at best. A number of factors led to the reduced violence, but Sadr's cease-fire had the greatest impact. Nonetheless, the Maliki regime, backed by the United States, continued a campaign of harassment and intimidation against Sadr's followers, denied them space to peacefully resist the occupation and forced his hand.
Given the degree to which the coalition has continued to stir a hornets' nest, we may be seeing a perfect illustration of the dangers of believing one's own propaganda play out as Iraq is once again set aflame.
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Posted by: writerman on Mar 27, 2008 1:44 AM
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Trying to crush the most popular mass nationalist movement in Iraq is a dangerous and very risky strategy indeed and if the United States is drawn even deeper into the conflict where does that lead?
It's important that up to now most of the opposition to the American occupation of Iraq has come from Sunni fighters who have seen their world literally turned upside down. The Shia have most stood on the sidelines and watched, organized and waited. After all the kindly Americans have handed them an entire country on a silver platter!
However, starting a civil war betweeen the two major Shia factions, especially if the US is directly draw into the fighting on a large scale, risks provoking the Shia into launching full-scale on US forces which would be a disaster.
But the Whitehouse seems determined to dismember Iraq and create three or four, weak and powerless protectorates. Protectorates unable to resist US economic and strategic pressure. The current Iraqi 'government' elite seems to support this fragmentation policy which would permenently weaken the centre to their advantage. It would make it easier for them to rob the country as well, like the Americans intend to do. But the growing nationalist, independence and liberation movement is violently opposed to this betrayal of Iraqi sovereignty and self-determination.
The Whitehouse risks creating a truly nationalist, popular front for the liberation of Iraq, and it's policy of divide and rule would then really be in tatters and doomed to failure.
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Posted by: Moonray on Mar 27, 2008 2:12 AM
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Not that anyone in Washington will pay much attention, of course. The war in Iraq, like that in Vietnam decades ago, has become a political myth that is completely separate from the facts on the ground. Reality is too complex to put on a bumper sticker, so reality is replaced by convenient slogans. Come to think of it, that sums up most of U.S. foreign policy, which is why we enjoy such a fine reputation around the world.
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"March 26 (Bloomberg) -- The Bush administration hailed an Iraqi offensive against Shiite militiamen in the southern city of Basra as a ``bold decision'' that shows the country's security forces are capable of combating terrorists."
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» Perhaps al Sadr is Iraq's George Washington and the US is Maliki's Hessians.
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» G. Bush is the criminal in all this along with Rummy, the Dick, Rice, Wolfowitz, Feith, etc.
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» Looks like that Bloomberg comment is accurate! Down goes Frazier!
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Posted by: Joshua Holland on Mar 27, 2008 5:29 AM
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"The Pentagon portrayed the new wave of sectarian violence sweeping Iraq Wednesday as offering a positive sign of the Iraqi Army building on the success of the U.S. troop surge."
Shiite-dominated executive branch sends Shiite-dominated Iraqi army -- with ranks filled by Shiite militiamen -- to knock around a Shiite group that's clashing with another Shiite group over a straightforward political conflict -- a contest for political power and control of economic resources -- and this moron at the Daily News calls it "sectarian violence."
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» Frontline's blind spot: Iraqi oil.
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» see also Medellin v Texas
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Posted by: Dadster3 on Mar 27, 2008 7:32 AM
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This article is worth printing out and using as a gauge of what actually happens in the near term up to the US elections in Nov '08. It will be interesting to see who gets it more right: the Administration & the MSM, or the alternate press (in it's less shrill incarnation).
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 27, 2008 7:56 AM
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This is why the central "political objective" being pursued by Petraeus and Cheney and Bush is the hydrocarbon law, which is heavily misrepresented in the U.S. press as a "revenue-sharing agreement", "only for the benefit of the Iraqi people."
Several key features of the law would:
1) Allow two-thirds of Iraq’s oil fields to be developed by private oil corporations. In contrast, the oil industry has been nationalized in every other major Middle Eastern producer for over 30 years.
2) Place governing decisions over oil in a new body known as the Iraqi Federal Oil and Gas Council, which may include foreign oil companies;
3) Open the door for foreign oil companies to lock up decades-long deals now, when the Iraqi government is at its weakest.
Overall, the law would secure the agenda of ExxonMobil, Chevon, and the other majors, robbing the Iraqi people of their most basic source of wealth.
To summarize:
The terror attacks of fall 2001 in the United States created a high level of fear and blind patriotism in the United States. Bush and Cheney cynically manipulated this situation to get the U.S. public behind an invasion of Iraq. They created false information about Saddam's ties to 9/11 suicide hijackings and the 9/18 and 10/9 anthrax mailings. They deliberately used faked documents and false reports about nuclear and biological warfare programs in Iraq in an effort to mislead Congress and the American people (an impeachable offense - contempt of Congress, abuse of power, and obstruction of justice, in the Valerie Plame affair, for example).
Thus, they managed to initiate an aggressive invasion of another country by running a massive propaganda program orchestrated by the likes of Chalabi, the Rendon Group, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice - a program that was carried out with the full cooperation of the corporate press, from NPR to CNN to FOX, from the New York Times to the Wall Street Journal - a lockstep propaganda front that promoted the war 24-7 for months on end.
As a result of this, Iraq has been devastated, its water and electricity and sewage and education and health care systems were destroyed, hundreds of thousands of people have died, some ten thousand military families in the U.S. have seen their children killed or permanently maimed in a war fought for Exxon and Chevron and Wall Street, the U.S. is now seen as a proponent of torture, billions of dollars have been stolen and wasted, resulting in massive debt, and the Taliban in Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan appear stronger and more popular in the region than they were before 9/11.
The corporate press is still trying to sell this as "success", by and large - but we're seeing more and more cracks in the facade.
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» opportunism in action
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» Two fake claimes were used to sell the war: Iraq WMDs and Iraqi links to Al Qaeda
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"Favor a strong central government free of the influence of militias.
Oppose, by a 2-1 margin, the privatization of Iraq's energy sector -- a "benchmark towards progress according to the Bush administration.
Favor a U.S. withdrawal on a short timeline (PDF) (most believe the United States plans to build permanent bases -- both are issues about which the Sadrists have been vocal.
Oppose al Qaeda and the ideology of Osama Bin Laden and, to a lesser degree, Iranian influence on Iraq's internal affairs."
Only the first is related to "separatism" and it is far more closely related to a desire to force the occupying forces out. Mr. Holland, thought he properly describes the situation as complex, places far too much emphasis on separatism as a motive for vilence. It is merely a byproduct of the larger conflict, and, I suspect, a red herring deliberately cast in the path of western media to divert them. Mr. Holland uses the flare up of violence to support his point, but that is just a post hoc straw to grasp at. We only need the "separatism" theory to explain it if there is no other plausible excuse why the Iraqi's might be fighting. In the face of international aggression, nationalists need an excuse to not fight, not an excuse to fight.
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Posted by: Quannah on Mar 27, 2008 9:33 AM
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This new offensive against Sadr and his militias is as Joshua explained it, but also, I believe, a pretext for the conflict to be expanded to include Iran. This administration is hell-bent on attacking Iran before they leave office, and this is an attempt to provide political cover to do just that, citing Al Sadr as the Iranian surrogate.
I'm expecting a "Tonkin"-type cover story to come out of all this, some created cover to attack Iran before the election in November. This is all a set-up. Just look at the way they are conveniently packaging it to sell it to us. This whole thing reeks.
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Posted by: Phenix on Mar 27, 2008 9:38 AM
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One point I'd like to make is that Iraq has a history of secretarian violence if you include the history of the Kurds and the failed rebellion after the Gulf War. Granted it is not clearly a Sunni attack on the Shia or Kurdish communities but there is a clear evidence of secretarian distrust in Iraq. Bush 41 mentions this as a reason for why he did not topple Saddam in the first Gulf War.
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» including Al Queda
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Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Mar 27, 2008 9:39 AM
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Hard to see any hope for the Murkins. They let a bunch of criminals get away with the 9/11 operation, start wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, run secret torture prisons, bankrupt the economy and generally screw them over on a regular basis. After all this, they are whining about the price of gas while the pols keep on looting what's left of the public ownership of our resources. Hang on to your hats, folks -- it's gonna be a rough ride!
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Posted by: HughScott on Mar 27, 2008 12:23 PM
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2. Put a $100,000 bounty on Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq, dead or alive.
3. When the smoke clears, begin a phased withdrawal of American civilian and military personnel.
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» Al Qaeda in Iraq is a non-issue
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» "Al Qaeda" in Iraq is a FRAUD -- same as anyplace else
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» Doubt your silliness would comfort their victims (nt)
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» By far those victims are from false "war on terror" NOT phony "Al Qaeda"
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» Why not leave after ending the patrols, Joshua? Here's why...
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» Al Qaeda in Iraq is a non-issue????
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Posted by: perplexed on Mar 27, 2008 1:38 PM
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Cheney most likely gave Maliki order to do so. Bush and Cheney divided the country so they could take over more readily. I don't understand why the UN and other countries don't try to do more by speaking out against the US's tatics in IRAQ? The WHOLE WORLD is just standing back watching this GENOCIDE take place. What a sad world we live in today, no one seems to care for others?
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 27, 2008 3:49 PM
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Millions turned out, worked and contributed in 1996 to turn out the NeoCons and yet we saw an increase in troop levels and spending in Iraq. In 2000 we voted for Al Gore and saw the smirking chimp appointed. In 1992, Bill Clinton ran as a progressive and ruled like a Republican. In 1988 we heard Bush the Elder talk about a thousand points of light and got nothing but an unnecessary war for oil.
Who can really blame Joe and Jane Six-Pack for being cynical? Our democracy, media and institutions are highly dysfunctional. Just like with an addiction the first step is to admit that there is a problem. I don't think we can count on the purveyors of for-profit infotainment to inform the populace. Where does that leave us?
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Posted by: ThoughtPolice on Mar 27, 2008 3:52 PM
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“Most Iraqis:
…Oppose al Qaeda and the ideology of Osama Bin Laden and, to a lesser degree, Iranian influence on Iraq's internal affairs.
With the exception of their opposition to Al Qaeda, the five major separatist parties -- Sunni, Shia and Kurdish -- that make up Maliki's governing coalition are on the deeply unpopular side of these issues.”
NO.
Al-Qaeda is a fraud and has been since it was originally foisted by the FBI at a Manhattan courtroom in January 2001 by Jamal Al-Fadl a quack con-man militant who stole money from Bin Laden and agreed to make up his largely baseless yarns in the pay of U.S. government handlers.
Ever since a 9/11 whitewash – phony “Al Qaeda” cells starring established CIA asset Osama Bin Laden (a.k.a. Tim Osman) cropped up from CIA rigged ISI ops at Afghanistan to Palestine, Iraq and sub-Saharan Africa.
Most of this was brought out in Jason Burke’s book “Al Qaeda” and in Webster Tarpley’s “Synthetic Terror” as well as in the works of Michel Chossudovsky including “Al Qaeda and the ‘War on Terror’”.
The BBC documentary quoted Jason Burke on the issue:
“The idea which is critical to the FBI’s prosecution [of mythical “Al Qaeda”] that Bin Laden ran a coherent organization with operatives and cells all around the world, of which you could be a member – is a myth. There is no “Al Qaeda” organization. There is no international network with a leader – with cadres who will unquestioningly obey orders, with tentacles that stretch out to sleeper cells in America, in Africa, in Europe. That idea of a coherent, structured terrorist network with an organized capability simply DOES NOT EXIST.”
http://polidics.com/cia/top-ranking-cia-operatives
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Intelligence organizations have a name for the creation of “pseudo gangs” or “counter-gangs” to do false-flag murder of civilians such as what the CIA did at OPERATION GLADIO from the 1960s thru the 1980s. It’s called “low intensity operations” (alias pseudo-operations or false-flag operations) coined by British General Frank Kitson in his books Low Intensity Operations: subversion, insurgency, peacekeeping (1971) and “Gangs and Counter-Gangs” (1960).
By any other name “Al Qaeda” with its 9/11 “war on terror” has been and remains a naked sham.
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Imagine if the KKK down South had been lynching and burning up minorities and then all of a sudden said, "OK we're gonna be nice for 6 months, we will call a ceasefire, BUT we have demands! We demand that our prisoners be released and we demand representation representation in Congress!" My guess is the US government would tell them to go to hell and say "not only are we keeping your prisoners in prison, we're coming to get your ass as well!"
Al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army are guilty for thousands of Sunni deaths probably near 1,000 American troop deaths. Here's a 35 year-old cleric who's father was killed by Saddam Hussein. If it weren't for Bush, Al Sadr's ass would still be in exile. Am I right or am I right??
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Trying to crush the most popular mass nationalist movement in Iraq is a dangerous and very risky strategy indeed and if the United States is drawn even deeper into the conflict where does that lead?
It's important that up to now most of the opposition to the American occupation of Iraq has come from Sunni fighters who have seen their world literally turned upside down. The Shia have most stood on the sidelines and watched, organized and waited. After all the kindly Americans have handed them an entire country on a silver platter!
However, starting a civil war betweeen the two major Shia factions, especially if the US is directly draw into the fighting on a large scale, risks provoking the Shia into launching full-scale on US forces which would be a disaster.
But the Whitehouse seems determined to dismember Iraq and create three or four, weak and powerless protectorates. Protectorates unable to resist US economic and strategic pressure. The current Iraqi 'government' elite seems to support this fragmentation policy which would permenently weaken the centre to their advantage. It would make it easier for them to rob the country as well, like the Americans intend to do. But the growing nationalist, independence and liberation movement is violently opposed to this betrayal of Iraqi sovereignty and self-determination.
The Whitehouse risks creating a truly nationalist, popular front for the liberation of Iraq, and it's policy of divide and rule would then really be in tatters and doomed to failure.
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Not that anyone in Washington will pay much attention, of course. The war in Iraq, like that in Vietnam decades ago, has become a political myth that is completely separate from the facts on the ground. Reality is too complex to put on a bumper sticker, so reality is replaced by convenient slogans. Come to think of it, that sums up most of U.S. foreign policy, which is why we enjoy such a fine reputation around the world.
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"March 26 (Bloomberg) -- The Bush administration hailed an Iraqi offensive against Shiite militiamen in the southern city of Basra as a ``bold decision'' that shows the country's security forces are capable of combating terrorists."
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"The Pentagon portrayed the new wave of sectarian violence sweeping Iraq Wednesday as offering a positive sign of the Iraqi Army building on the success of the U.S. troop surge."
Shiite-dominated executive branch sends Shiite-dominated Iraqi army -- with ranks filled by Shiite militiamen -- to knock around a Shiite group that's clashing with another Shiite group over a straightforward political conflict -- a contest for political power and control of economic resources -- and this moron at the Daily News calls it "sectarian violence."
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This article is worth printing out and using as a gauge of what actually happens in the near term up to the US elections in Nov '08. It will be interesting to see who gets it more right: the Administration & the MSM, or the alternate press (in it's less shrill incarnation).
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This is why the central "political objective" being pursued by Petraeus and Cheney and Bush is the hydrocarbon law, which is heavily misrepresented in the U.S. press as a "revenue-sharing agreement", "only for the benefit of the Iraqi people."
Several key features of the law would:
1) Allow two-thirds of Iraq’s oil fields to be developed by private oil corporations. In contrast, the oil industry has been nationalized in every other major Middle Eastern producer for over 30 years.
2) Place governing decisions over oil in a new body known as the Iraqi Federal Oil and Gas Council, which may include foreign oil companies;
3) Open the door for foreign oil companies to lock up decades-long deals now, when the Iraqi government is at its weakest.
Overall, the law would secure the agenda of ExxonMobil, Chevon, and the other majors, robbing the Iraqi people of their most basic source of wealth.
To summarize:
The terror attacks of fall 2001 in the United States created a high level of fear and blind patriotism in the United States. Bush and Cheney cynically manipulated this situation to get the U.S. public behind an invasion of Iraq. They created false information about Saddam's ties to 9/11 suicide hijackings and the 9/18 and 10/9 anthrax mailings. They deliberately used faked documents and false reports about nuclear and biological warfare programs in Iraq in an effort to mislead Congress and the American people (an impeachable offense - contempt of Congress, abuse of power, and obstruction of justice, in the Valerie Plame affair, for example).
Thus, they managed to initiate an aggressive invasion of another country by running a massive propaganda program orchestrated by the likes of Chalabi, the Rendon Group, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice - a program that was carried out with the full cooperation of the corporate press, from NPR to CNN to FOX, from the New York Times to the Wall Street Journal - a lockstep propaganda front that promoted the war 24-7 for months on end.
As a result of this, Iraq has been devastated, its water and electricity and sewage and education and health care systems were destroyed, hundreds of thousands of people have died, some ten thousand military families in the U.S. have seen their children killed or permanently maimed in a war fought for Exxon and Chevron and Wall Street, the U.S. is now seen as a proponent of torture, billions of dollars have been stolen and wasted, resulting in massive debt, and the Taliban in Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan appear stronger and more popular in the region than they were before 9/11.
The corporate press is still trying to sell this as "success", by and large - but we're seeing more and more cracks in the facade.
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"Favor a strong central government free of the influence of militias.
Oppose, by a 2-1 margin, the privatization of Iraq's energy sector -- a "benchmark towards progress according to the Bush administration.
Favor a U.S. withdrawal on a short timeline (PDF) (most believe the United States plans to build permanent bases -- both are issues about which the Sadrists have been vocal.
Oppose al Qaeda and the ideology of Osama Bin Laden and, to a lesser degree, Iranian influence on Iraq's internal affairs."
Only the first is related to "separatism" and it is far more closely related to a desire to force the occupying forces out. Mr. Holland, thought he properly describes the situation as complex, places far too much emphasis on separatism as a motive for vilence. It is merely a byproduct of the larger conflict, and, I suspect, a red herring deliberately cast in the path of western media to divert them. Mr. Holland uses the flare up of violence to support his point, but that is just a post hoc straw to grasp at. We only need the "separatism" theory to explain it if there is no other plausible excuse why the Iraqi's might be fighting. In the face of international aggression, nationalists need an excuse to not fight, not an excuse to fight.
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Posted by: Quannah on Mar 27, 2008 9:33 AM
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This new offensive against Sadr and his militias is as Joshua explained it, but also, I believe, a pretext for the conflict to be expanded to include Iran. This administration is hell-bent on attacking Iran before they leave office, and this is an attempt to provide political cover to do just that, citing Al Sadr as the Iranian surrogate.
I'm expecting a "Tonkin"-type cover story to come out of all this, some created cover to attack Iran before the election in November. This is all a set-up. Just look at the way they are conveniently packaging it to sell it to us. This whole thing reeks.
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One point I'd like to make is that Iraq has a history of secretarian violence if you include the history of the Kurds and the failed rebellion after the Gulf War. Granted it is not clearly a Sunni attack on the Shia or Kurdish communities but there is a clear evidence of secretarian distrust in Iraq. Bush 41 mentions this as a reason for why he did not topple Saddam in the first Gulf War.
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Hard to see any hope for the Murkins. They let a bunch of criminals get away with the 9/11 operation, start wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, run secret torture prisons, bankrupt the economy and generally screw them over on a regular basis. After all this, they are whining about the price of gas while the pols keep on looting what's left of the public ownership of our resources. Hang on to your hats, folks -- it's gonna be a rough ride!
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2. Put a $100,000 bounty on Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq, dead or alive.
3. When the smoke clears, begin a phased withdrawal of American civilian and military personnel.
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Posted by: perplexed on Mar 27, 2008 1:38 PM
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Cheney most likely gave Maliki order to do so. Bush and Cheney divided the country so they could take over more readily. I don't understand why the UN and other countries don't try to do more by speaking out against the US's tatics in IRAQ? The WHOLE WORLD is just standing back watching this GENOCIDE take place. What a sad world we live in today, no one seems to care for others?
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Millions turned out, worked and contributed in 1996 to turn out the NeoCons and yet we saw an increase in troop levels and spending in Iraq. In 2000 we voted for Al Gore and saw the smirking chimp appointed. In 1992, Bill Clinton ran as a progressive and ruled like a Republican. In 1988 we heard Bush the Elder talk about a thousand points of light and got nothing but an unnecessary war for oil.
Who can really blame Joe and Jane Six-Pack for being cynical? Our democracy, media and institutions are highly dysfunctional. Just like with an addiction the first step is to admit that there is a problem. I don't think we can count on the purveyors of for-profit infotainment to inform the populace. Where does that leave us?
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“Most Iraqis:
…Oppose al Qaeda and the ideology of Osama Bin Laden and, to a lesser degree, Iranian influence on Iraq's internal affairs.
With the exception of their opposition to Al Qaeda, the five major separatist parties -- Sunni, Shia and Kurdish -- that make up Maliki's governing coalition are on the deeply unpopular side of these issues.”
NO.
Al-Qaeda is a fraud and has been since it was originally foisted by the FBI at a Manhattan courtroom in January 2001 by Jamal Al-Fadl a quack con-man militant who stole money from Bin Laden and agreed to make up his largely baseless yarns in the pay of U.S. government handlers.
Ever since a 9/11 whitewash – phony “Al Qaeda” cells starring established CIA asset Osama Bin Laden (a.k.a. Tim Osman) cropped up from CIA rigged ISI ops at Afghanistan to Palestine, Iraq and sub-Saharan Africa.
Most of this was brought out in Jason Burke’s book “Al Qaeda” and in Webster Tarpley’s “Synthetic Terror” as well as in the works of Michel Chossudovsky including “Al Qaeda and the ‘War on Terror’”.
The BBC documentary quoted Jason Burke on the issue:
“The idea which is critical to the FBI’s prosecution [of mythical “Al Qaeda”] that Bin Laden ran a coherent organization with operatives and cells all around the world, of which you could be a member – is a myth. There is no “Al Qaeda” organization. There is no international network with a leader – with cadres who will unquestioningly obey orders, with tentacles that stretch out to sleeper cells in America, in Africa, in Europe. That idea of a coherent, structured terrorist network with an organized capability simply DOES NOT EXIST.”
http://polidics.com/cia/top-ranking-cia-operatives
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Intelligence organizations have a name for the creation of “pseudo gangs” or “counter-gangs” to do false-flag murder of civilians such as what the CIA did at OPERATION GLADIO from the 1960s thru the 1980s. It’s called “low intensity operations” (alias pseudo-operations or false-flag operations) coined by British General Frank Kitson in his books Low Intensity Operations: subversion, insurgency, peacekeeping (1971) and “Gangs and Counter-Gangs” (1960).
By any other name “Al Qaeda” with its 9/11 “war on terror” has been and remains a naked sham.
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Imagine if the KKK down South had been lynching and burning up minorities and then all of a sudden said, "OK we're gonna be nice for 6 months, we will call a ceasefire, BUT we have demands! We demand that our prisoners be released and we demand representation representation in Congress!" My guess is the US government would tell them to go to hell and say "not only are we keeping your prisoners in prison, we're coming to get your ass as well!"
Al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army are guilty for thousands of Sunni deaths probably near 1,000 American troop deaths. Here's a 35 year-old cleric who's father was killed by Saddam Hussein. If it weren't for Bush, Al Sadr's ass would still be in exile. Am I right or am I right??
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